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Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the papers will be

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With me are barrister and broadcaster Sophia Cannon

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and political commentator, Lance Price.

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The FT leads with Donald Trump's first press conference

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as President-elect in which he criticised the intelligence

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agencies and the media for spreading what he called fake news.

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The President-elect also features on the cover of the Metro

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after he denied claims Russia has compromising information on him.

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The Times leads with the accusations by Donald Trump that spy chiefs

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acted like Nazis by leaking reports about him.

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The Daily Express cites new research claiming arthritis pain can be

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relieved by 45 minutes of exercise a week.

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The Telegraph leads with a clash between the head of the NHS

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and Number ten over hospital funding as the number of A patients

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The Sun follows the latest trial of Rolf Harris as he faces accusations

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of sexual assault from seven new victims. Where else can we start but

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with the tramp? -- the Trump. He gave his first press conference for

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six months, the first since he won the election and a lot of it focused

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on allegations that he is in bed with the Russians. Literally. I

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didn't think I would be spending my time reviewing the depth and the

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discussed of the scatological references of a president elect of

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the United States. This is, dare I use the word, unprecedented. His

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first election he is in the mire, he is in the dirt and yet again I

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cannot discuss with my children what is happening. We don't need to go

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too deeply into the allegations. Essentially, a lot of information

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has come out concerning possible ties between Donald Trump and Russia

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and the suggestion is that the Russians have stuff on Mr Trump that

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colours his view of Moscow, perhaps suggesting for explaining his

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favourable view, some might say, of Vladimir Putin. It is even worse

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than that. The central allegation is that the Russians have stopped on

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him that could make an subject to blackmail and therefore subject to

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the influence, even though he is president of the United States and

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that is an extraordinary allegation. That he could be under the thumb of

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the Russians because of activities he is alleged to have participated

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in. He says all of that is untrue. It really was the most extraordinary

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press conference. We have got used to saying we cannot believe he said

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that, we cannot believe he did this, we can't believe that has happened.

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We will have an awful lot of this over the next four years, but that

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was so much in the press conference, lashing at the media and that is a

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spy agencies. That is the sort of thing we have come to expect from

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Donald Trump, but to accuse the FBI and the CIA of Nazi style tactics,

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which is effectively what he said at this press conference, he has got to

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work with these guys. That is the front page of the Times. You are

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acting like Nazis, Trump tells spy chiefs. He expresses anger at lurid

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document click. It is an ex-MI6 agent who drew up certain claims in

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this dossier. We have got to be clear for our viewers that this was

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not put together by the FBI or CIA, this is allegations and information

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that would lead by a private detective, effectively, in the pay

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of the Democratic party, or a big Democratic party donor and this

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detective agency is run by an ex-MI6 agent and he has got all this

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information concerning allegations relating to Mr Trump and Moscow. In

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the case of nominative determinism, it is Christopher Steen have to

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thank for this. He was deep undercover and had worked with the

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assassination of Alexander Litvinenko and he had an idea that

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there was something going on, a relationship between Trump and Putin

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way before we had any idea that he was even thinking of standing for

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the presidency. What he did, it seems to be that he did a

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reconnaissance of this situation at the time and has put this together.

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In one memo dated June 2016 it claims that the Kremlin has been

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cultivating Trump for at least five years. It is something of a

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dystopian spy novel. When we hear about spies of old and Kim Sotheby,

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sorry, Kim Philby, these stories, they must be literally true. Donald

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Trump completely denies them all. Having said that, it is not just

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some sort of story, not just some freelance guy put this together, it

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was presented to the intelligence agencies and they looked at it and

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they examined it and they had to make an assessment and determine

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whether to go forward with it. They saw enough in it that was credible

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that they believe was consistent with other information they had and

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the BBC is reporting there is more than one source, to put it on the

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desk of President Obama and to put it to Donald Trump himself. They

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have looked at it and they think there is nothing there. It is not

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sufficient with that to ensure that the outgoing president should be

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aware that under the incoming president should be told of the

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allegations. One seems now that the FBI and CIA have got to look into

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all of this. This man will be the commander-in-chief, privy to

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intelligence briefings every couple of days or so. His finger on the

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bottom of the nuclear arsenal. We have to see this for what it is, if

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he has been cultivated for five years and the level of fear that

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must be rippling now through the Republican party itself, but they

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have been outplayed by Putin in the game of chess that they always

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thought they had won to this level, that he has actually got his own man

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in the White House. It will be there for four years. The other important

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point is this has an impact on American public opinion. Their

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willingness to rely on what the CIA and FBI say in future because you

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already have a lot of Democrats who think the FBI handed the election to

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trump the bringing of the e-mail stuff in the last couple of weeks.

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You now have the guy he won turning on the FBI and CIA turning on them.

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You can say it is just the FBI and CIA, the court did last time round.

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The way in which he is undermining all the institutions of American

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democracy that he approve of, is a very dangerous precedent. The fear

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is, from my point of view, for the first time in history we have got

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the cyber world, the world of espionage contrasted so easily with

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this open source journalism, social media, all happening at the same

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time. We cannot even checked our facts. How can we do this? What

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really annoyed him in the press conference, we can go to the front

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page of the Telegraph actually, trump defined as MI6 officer fears

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Moscow retribution, what really annoyed him was CNN. CNN put

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together their own report on this dossier and the report, I

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understand, was partly put together by Carl Bernstein no less, of

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Watergate fame, but does feed put the whole unredacted thing out there

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on the internet and when Trump was asked a question by CNN, Trump went

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completely berserk. He conflated CNN carefully, judiciously going through

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this dossier and taking out what it felt would the right elements and

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getting elements from its own sources as well, as I say partly

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written by Carl Bernstein, so old, legitimate media some might argue

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and conflating that with Buzz feed chucking absolutely everything out

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there with no filter whatsoever. Donald Trump talking about the good

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news, he made it clear that he believed that CNN was a fake news

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organisation because it got involved in this, yet he has profited from

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the news over the last year through the whole campaign. As a former

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communications director at yourself, how would you have varied, the you

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think, in this completely new, incredibly difficult media world? I

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look at it and I think back to the days when I worked for Tony Blair

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and Alistair Campbell in Downing Street and we had our own war

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against the media, even though the media was more benign toward Tony

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Blair than it is toward Donald Trump in America and it occurred to me, we

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would have loved to undermine the media in the wake Donald Trump has

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succeeded in undermining it. Our objective was to turn and when it

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was a bad story and said that was just the media, you can trust them.

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That is what he is trying to do. Before I worked there and was a

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journalist and I was very conscious of the distinction between the two

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and it was a very important job that the media had fully power to

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account. It is one of the checks and balances in every democracy. You and

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your colleagues understood, even Alistair Campbell, understood the

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importance of the media in a democracy. Of course, but we were

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doing a different job. We were promoting the interests of the

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person in power and so you take off your journalist had and put on a

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different hat. We were undermining an institution which I hold very

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dear. You would have loved to have twitter. Whether we would have had

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that... Whether we would have used it in the wake Donald Trump does,

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they don't think so. What is interesting is that the whole debate

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about Russia and antics in bedrooms and whatever has completely

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deflected from the substance, the real substance that many people say

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should have been discussed and that is his interests, his own business

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interests and conflict of interest that might exist as a result of him

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being the CEO of a great multinational company and being

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president of the United States. All these pictures of Trump today, it is

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the right... It is the biggest distraction to what is really going

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on. It is the fact that a president, he is not quickly have the normal

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checks and balances of his team, he has not released his business

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interests, so we can fact check what the conflict are, we can only guess.

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These issues are side issues to what we really need to do, which is find

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out who this man is, what is he doing and what will he do in the

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future? If, even before he has started, he is kicking the legs out,

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burning down what we have fought so hard for... It occurred to me in one

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of my worst moments, there be Donald Trump wanted all this stuff out

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there because it gives them an opportunity to talk about something

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else. The public, frankly, when it comes to sexual peccadilloes, they

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have heard it all and signal from Mr Trump and factored it in. They voted

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for him anyway. A possible conflict of interest could be more

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problematic for him. Let's move on. We have a couple of minutes left.

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Simon Stevens, head of the NHS in England, front page of the

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Telegraph, he is in a bit of a battle with number ten. He is in a

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real battle. He is a very well respected civil servant. I worked

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with them when I was in at number ten, he was working for the Health

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Secretary, Alan Milburn, but the Tories loved him as well. People

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live as -- listened to Simon Stephens because he is a serious guy

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and he has gone out on a limb in effectively saying that Theresa May

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has not been honest in terms of the work of money going into the NHS and

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that she is stretching the truth, in effect, to claim that the NHS has

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been given money more than they asked for. It is clear we have a

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serious crisis in the NHS. Even given the fact that we have had a

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very mild winter so far. What would it be like if we had a harsh winter?

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There is colder weather on the way. We went through a period when a lot

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of money was going into the NHS, it really was a lot of money going into

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the NHS and we didn't have this winter crisis but they are back. I

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can see Theresa May shelving who will rid me of this troublesome man?

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Like Thomas Becket saying if we have problems with our major services,

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they beat somebody else is in the way. It is not our fault. It is the

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way it is managed, but the funding. It is the same austerity issues that

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have been rising since 2010. Theresa May is suggesting some hospitals are

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not being managed well enough. That is partly why A departments are in

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crisis. One of the reasons Simon Stephens reacted the way he did was

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at number ten was briefing as if they were getting ready to blame him

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rather than the lack of funding. Rather than deal with the issue,

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rather than deal with the issue you blame someone else. That is

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definitely not something he would have done. Our style at all. Press

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regulation. Page two of the times. Here we go. 140,000 views have been

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given and press recognition. The suggestion is newspaper groups

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should be heavily fined and pay the legal costs of any court action if

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they did not sign up to an accredited, what the press

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regulation -- regulator that has been put forward. Section 40 is a

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new way to ensure that there is access to justice for the smaller

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guy, the little man who has his name or her name brought out into the

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press in a way they can never seek redress. They don't have the hundred

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and ?40,000 and this is the whole idea, that we must see it for what

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it is. It is not telling the press what to do, it is holding their feet

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to the flame. Newspapers have fought an effective campaign against it. We

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don't know what these 140,000 people think, but the implication is a lot

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of them disagree with that. On the face of it, we don't know what the

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views are of the majority of these people, but one suspects that, given

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the fact that if you will take the Daily Mail with the times to court

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you need deep pockets, then the idea that they will have to pay the legal

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fees suggests that he may be able to get some redress. When The Papers,

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the simple view is we have to pay the costs win or lose, that a of

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people's sense of natural justice. I understand the argument, but given

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The Papers and easy way to attack the proposals. Many thanks. That's

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it for The Papers tonight. You can see the front pages of all of them

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online on the BBC News website. It is therefore you seven days a week.

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If you missed the programme on an evening you can watch it later on I

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player. Thanks to Sofia and lands a game and to you for watching.

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