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Now on BBC News, it's time for Tuesday in Parliament.

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Hello and welcome to Tuesday in Parliament,

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our look at the best of the day in the Commons and the Lords.

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On this programme: Reaction at Westminster to

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We're doing everything that we can to help the Belgian authorities to

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work with our international partners, and of course to keep

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The Chancellor says he's sorry that Iain Duncan Smith resigned

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The Shadow Chancellor derides his opposite number.

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The behaviour of the Chancellor over the last 11

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days calls into question his fitness for the office he now holds.

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And an MP protests about the refusal of the owner of Sports Direct to

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Yesterday Mr Ashley indicated to the press, although not to the

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committee, that he has no current intention to attend the committee.

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But first, it was shortly after 7 o'clock

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in the morning when the terrorists struck in the Belgian capital.

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Two explosions at Brussels International Airport were

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followed one hour later by a blast at a metro station close

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Emergency services were soon at the scene.

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So-called Islamic State said it was behind the attacks.

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Later in the day, the death toll was put at more than 30.

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Belgium raised its terrorism alert to its highest level.

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The Belgian Prime Minister called the attacks "blind,

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At Westminster, at the Home Affairs Committee, the Home Secretary called

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We don't yet know the full details of these attacks, and the situation

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in Belgium as I'm sure members will recognise is fast moving.

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The Prime Minister earlier spoke to Prime Minister Michel of Belgium,

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and I've offered support to my counterpart, Jan Jambon.

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And we stand together against the terrorists, and they will not win.

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We already work closely with the Belgian authorities on security

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matters, we share intelligence routinely, and after the November

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attacks in Paris we deployed police and intelligence service resources

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to Belgium in support of the investigations into the

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attackers, which last week resulted in the arrest of Salah Abdeslam.

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In the UK, the threat level remains under constant review by the

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Independent Joint Terrorism Analysis Centre, but has not changed.

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It is currently set at severe, which means that an attack is highly

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likely, and I would urge everyone to remain alert, but not alarmed.

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And so I'd like to reassure this committee and the public that while

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we will know more in the coming days and hours, we're doing everything we

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can to help the Belgian authorities to work with our international

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partners, and of course to keep people

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And there was also reaction in the Commons.

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Reaction to the terror attacks in Brussels.

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The Chancellor George Osborne has told the Commons he's sorry that

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Iain Duncan Smith quit the Cabinet at the end of last week.

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The resignation of Mr Duncan Smith from his job as Work and Pensions

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Secretary, over the original Budget plans for cuts in disability

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benefits, has created a classic Westminster political storm.

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There'd been much speculation about differences of opinion between

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George Osborne, noticeably absent from the Commons on Monday, was back

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in his place for the conclusion of the four-day debate on the Budget.

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He started by putting his speech into historical context.

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This is the first time in 20 years that a Chancellor has

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spoken on the last day of the Budget debate, and I think it is fair to

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say that we have had a livelier debate about this Budget than many.

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But let us be clear: the key principles behind this Budget are

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that if we are going to deliver a strong and compassionate society for

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the next generation, we have to live within our means, we have to back

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business to create jobs, and we have to make sure work pays

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by putting more money into the pockets of working people.

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On the resignation of my right honourable friend the Member

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I am sorry that my right honourable friend chose to

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Let me here, in this House, recognise his achievements

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in helping to make work pay, protecting the vulnerable

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and breaking the decades-old cycle of welfare dependency.

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Together, we had to confront a huge deficit

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And of course, there is always robust discussion between the

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Treasury and the spending departments

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The decisions we made to keep our economy secure are always

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difficult, and where we do not get them right, I have always been

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But I am very proud that my right honourable friend and I

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worked together longer than any two people doing our jobs before us

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It's less than a week since he stood up to deliver

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the Budget and made that decision affecting disability independence

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payments - something that upset many hundreds of thousands

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He has made a welcome U-turn, but shouldn't he now acknowledge

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that that decision was a mistake that he should say sorry for?

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I am going to come on to speak about the disability benefits

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and our way forward, but I have made it very clear-I have

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just said it-that where we have made a mistake, where we have got things

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But where is the apology from the Labour Party

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Would he agree with me that the one thing that is more dangerous

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for our economy than him remaining Chancellor is that we might leave

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the European Union; and that him being called out by his former

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colleague as acting not in the economic interests of the country,

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but in a short-term political way, brings a risk that the referendum

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will be a referendum on him, and not on the future of our role in Europe?

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Will he act in the national interest and resign?

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The new Secretary of State for Work and Pensions said yesterday, in his

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first statement, that the Government would not be making any further cuts

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to welfare during this Parliament, but later on he said that there were

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"no plans" to make further cuts to welfare during this Parliament.

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Can the Chancellor now confirm, for the sake of disabled people

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and others, that there will be no further cuts to the welfare budget

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Well, my right honourable friend said yesterday what

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It was very clear that while the reforms proposed to

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personal independence payments two weeks ago drew on the work

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of an independent review, they did not command support.

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We have listened, and they will not go ahead.

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And even if they had, this Government is spending more

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on disabled people than the last Labour Government ever did.

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If it has been relatively simple to absorb this change,

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why on earth did the Chancellor introduce it in the first place, and

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frighten the life out of seriously disabled people in this country?

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People are terrified about what was being proposed, and

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you've just said that we can absorb this change easily - why didn't you

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If we take no decisions to control welfare spending

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and public expenditure, you destroy the nation's finances and

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the people who suffer are precisely the most vulnerable in society.

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So yes, we have taken difficult decisions, but where we have not got

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them right we have listened and we have learned.

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Let me make it clear from the outset that, in my view, and I believe the

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view of many others, the behaviour of the Chancellor over the last 11

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days calls into question his fitness for the office he now holds.

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I also believe it certainly calls into question his fitness for any

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What we have seen What we have seen is not the actions of a Chancellor,

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a senior Government Minister, but the grubby,

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incompetent manipulations of a political chancer.

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A Tory MP recalled a past remark of Mr McDonnell's that IRA members

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The honourable member has called into question the morality

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of the leadership of my right honourable friend the Chancellor.

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Would he please discuss with this House the morality that allows HIM

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to stand with bombers who murdered my friends in Northern Ireland -

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After it became clear that the cuts to personal independence

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payments were planned as a way to fund tax cuts for the wealthy, it

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was my honourable friend the leader of the Labour Party who made it a

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key part of his excellent response to the Budget last week.

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The Chancellor sent out his large team of spin doctors to try to lay

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the blame on the former Secretary of State for Work and Pensions,

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the right honourable member for Chingford and Woodford Green.

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We should not be running a deficit of this percentage of GDP,

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and piling up more debt for our successors.

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So my only doubts are, whether this pause is totally justified - I

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accept it probably was - certainly we've got to resume things, and I

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listened to a Shadow Chancellor who plainly hasn't got an idea in his

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head about how he would save any money, how he would do anything

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other than continue spending and borrowing...

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Totally profligate stuff.

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The Budget figures that we have been presented with in the Red Book, and

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with the OBR's independent analysis, suggest that business investment

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will have to be double the level of its historical average, now at the

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moment, when the global economy's slowing, in order for the Budget

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A lesser man would have gone off into a cave and stayed there. Not

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this man. He went out there and did all he could and has done for the

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poorest in our society, and I commend him for it.

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And at the end of the debate, a series of Budget resolutions won

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You're watching our round-up of the day in the Commons and the Lords.

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Still to come: Peers voice some strong opinions about the proposals

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Claims that the chief executive of the NHS was persuaded to ask for

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less money than the service needed have been dismissed in the Commons.

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At the weekend, the former coalition minister, the Lib Dem David Laws,

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claimed that Simon Stevens asked for ?30 billion for the service

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Half of that would come from efficiency savings,

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But Mr Laws said Mr Stevens was persuaded to ask

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The matter was raised at Health Question time in the Commons.

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What you are describing is ?10 billion a year, more than used it on

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at the last election. The Health Secretary may talk a good game when

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it comes to funding, but the funding to GP surgeries tells a very

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different story. The entire system is on its knees, and the revelation

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of the former Chief Secretary to the Treasury this week and confirmed

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what everybody in the NHS already knew. ?22 billion worth of

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efficiency savings over the next four years is pure fantasy. In the

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interests of transparency, will the Health Secretary published a full

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analysis explaining how NHS England arrived at the figure of 22 billion?

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Let's look at what the Chief Executive actually said, not what he

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is alleged to have done. He said that when it came to the spending

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review, the government actively supported the NHS case for spending

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and that he could kickstart his plan for the NHS. It is rather academic,

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because Labour refused to fund his plan at all. It goes to show that

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when it comes to the NHS, Labour Right the speeches, conservatives

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write the cheques. But Mr Laws said Mr Stevens was

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persuaded to ask That means we need to find ?22

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million of efficiency savings. I want to reassure him that I meet the

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chief executive to review the plan every week and we are determined to

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make sure we roll it out as quickly as possible. Do I take it that the

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word inadvertently has been inserted? Yes. She may have

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inadvertently not been listening previous answers that I gave, and

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let's look at what Simon Stevens, the CEO of the NHS, said about the

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spending settlement. He said that the government listened to and

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actively supported the case for public spending.

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Members of the House of Lords have raised concerns over

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Last week, the Chancellor announced plans

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for all schools to become academies, no longer needing to include

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Contribution be made by parents whether they want them or not, and

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getting rid of parent governments. The contribution will be a massive

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efficiency saving as schools working together in groups collaborating in

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groups will have a much higher calibre of financial people, and we

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are not getting rid of parent governors, we are saying that you

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don't have to have parents, you can have as many parent governors as you

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need, and we will also be ensuring that schools engage with their

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parents on a much more consistent and effective basis than having the

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odd parent if they want it. Surely all schools can benefit from having

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parent governors, and would he be a little more encouraging than he has

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been on that subject? I entirely agree that all schools can benefit

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from that, but we are trying very hard to focus governments on skills

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so people must have the relevant skills, but they may represent all

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sorts of different parents. A Labour peer probed the plan to

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create a national funding formula. Currently local authorities

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decide how the money is spent. The national funding formula is

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another example of the government's centralist mindset. It is not the

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latest, because since this was announced we have always done that

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also had the white paper. The ability to have any say over the

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distribution of funding in their local area. Can the honourable

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member say why he believes that that is the case? The simple fact is that

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we inherited a funding formula from the Labour government that was

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incomprehensible and confusing, and it got progressively more compared,

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so we have to simplify it. Following the Chancellor's announcement of an

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additional 500 million to support the introduction of a national

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funding formula, can he give any indication of how quickly therefore

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the transition from the present situation to meeting the target

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allocations in each part of the country may be achieved? We do want

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areas that appear to be underfunded, and I'm aware that is

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the case in Cambridge, to improve their funding as quickly as

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possible, and we want to move at a pace that is manageable for all

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schools. Can the noble lord the minister say how in five years when

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we look back and see how this has been applied, that it won't just

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benefit Conservative controlled areas. I can give that assurance, it

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is clear it will benefit many areas that are Labour-controlled, and it

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is driven entirely on the basis that there is a level playing field for

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all pupils, so we can deliver excellent everywhere.

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A Lib Dem peer was concerned salaries for headteachers at

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Can the minister say that the very high levels of salary paid to some

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of the heads of Academy chains, some reported as three times that of the

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PM, does he think that is a good use of public funds? As they think we

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set out in the white paper, I think we are behind Academy trusts, and

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where schools are delivering excellent people deserve to be

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awarded accordingly. A Labour MP has claimed that

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the internet is responsible for an increase in the number

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of potentially dangerous electrical In a Westminster Hall debate,

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Carolyn Harris queried whether current laws were sufficient

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to stop tragedies happening. The Charity Electrical Safety First

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estimates that some 70 deaths every year are caused by electrical

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accidents - more than one a week. This debate is about how we can make

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electricity and its application through products safer in this

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country. It has been undermined by cheap, poorly constructed,

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substandard or counterfeit electrical goods. All our

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constituents are at risk. Risk from electric shock, from fire in their

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home, caused by one of these product, or even death. What are the

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law working? Had they kept up-to-date with the development of

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the internet? Are they stopping items from being imported through

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the major internet shopping sites? I don't believe this is the case. It

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is easy to say that customers should be more careful to check what they

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are buying, but it often doesn't occur to them that what they are

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buying could actually kill them. People tend to trust goods bought on

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trusted sites on the internet implicitly, assuming they must be

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legitimate to be acceptable for the site or onto eBay. I do believe we

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need to have more legislation to make those websites responsible for

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the products that they sell. When we were employing people locally in the

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UK to manufacture these products, we had an interest in that. We could

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chase the supply chain back and everyone had an interest in making

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sure the products were safe and legitimate, because we knew who

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would buy it at the end. Producing locally have an impact, where we

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know who will buy the product. We can feel more secure when we have a

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stake in the production of the product. For all that the internet

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has created opportunities for criminals and those who would abuse

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freedom, and nevertheless it is also even greater opportunities for

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legitimate traders and for consumers, and I do believe that

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there are opportunities through the internet, as the honourable member

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rightly says, to share with people information about suppliers who have

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failed to live up to their obligations, product that have

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failed to do what they say they should do, or that are themselves

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either counterfeit or faulty. These are turbulent days for

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the sportswear firm Sports Direct, and its founder, the billionaire

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Mike Ashley - the man who also owns In January,

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nearly half a billion pounds was wiped from Sports Direct's stock

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market value, and the company has Mike Ashley has blamed "

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negative publicity" about the firm. Meanwhile, a committee of MPs has

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summoned Mr Ashley to face questions about pay and working conditions

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at Sports Direct, following claims The chair of the committee told

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the Commons he'd been attempting to This was in response to claims that

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his workers were not being paid the minimum wage. I myself has received

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correspondence from staff saying that they were kept for an hour

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after their scheduled finish time without pay to tidy shops, and

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workers finishing at 5pm and required back at work two hours

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later. The committee wanted to ask him

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about these practices. Last week, the committee formally

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ordered him to attend. Yesterday, Mr Ashley indicated to the press,

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although not the committee, that he has no current intention to the

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committee. The house expects witnesses to a baby order to

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attend. He operates zero hours contracts for

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thousands of people, there are very few full-time people. He believes as

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a billionaire he can do what he likes. I will just put it on the

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record for you Mr Speaker, you had better act very firmly with the

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person concerned. Would it not be appropriate for him to appear at the

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bar of the house? There have been occasions in the past where this has

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occurred and the House of Commons has shown that it will not tolerate

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such contempt, and I will put it to you perhaps this could be considered

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as well. I am grateful to the honourable gentleman for his point

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of order. I recognise that there are historical precedents, but it is

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only right for me to say that it is not for me to make any such

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decision. Do join me

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for our next daily round-up. Until then, from me,

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Keith Macdougall, goodbye. For many of us,

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this has been the driest spell It is because the jet stream, the

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thing that drives weather systems across the Atlantic, has been

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staying well to the north of the UK. It has allowed high

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pressure to build.

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