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We can briefly look at some pictures from Paris where the national | :00:00. | :00:00. | |
memorial service is about to get underway. | :00:00. | :00:00. | |
Now on BBC News it's time for the Victoria Derbyshire programme. | :00:00. | :00:11. | |
This is the scene from Paris where a national memorial | :00:12. | :00:22. | |
service is being held for the 130 people who died in the | :00:23. | :00:25. | |
The Labour Party is in turmoil over air strikes in Syria. | :00:26. | :00:31. | |
A warning of resignations from the Shadow Cabinet after Jeremy | :00:32. | :00:33. | |
Corbyn writes to MP's explaining why he won't support greater British | :00:34. | :00:36. | |
One group of influential Syrians tells us they want | :00:37. | :00:40. | |
the government to come up with a proper political solution to | :00:41. | :00:43. | |
Plus the scammers tricking victims who are searching | :00:44. | :00:47. | |
The first thing you think is how could I have been so stupid, sending | :00:48. | :01:02. | |
him money three times. He was pushing for more and when I told him | :01:03. | :01:06. | |
I would not pay again, he became abusive. | :01:07. | :01:17. | |
to the programme, we're on the BBC News Channel | :01:18. | :01:20. | |
At Ten we'll bring you the latest as the Labour leader, Jeremy Corbyn | :01:21. | :01:25. | |
faces the threat of resignations from his shadow cabinet over his | :01:26. | :01:28. | |
And at nine thirty we'll take you to Paris as the city remembers | :01:29. | :01:33. | |
the 130 people killed in the attacks two weeks ago. | :01:34. | :01:36. | |
As ever - you contributions are really | :01:37. | :01:38. | |
Texts will be charged at the standard network rate. | :01:39. | :01:42. | |
And of course you can watch the programme online wherever | :01:43. | :01:49. | |
you are - via the bbc news app or our website bbc.co.uk/victoria . | :01:50. | :01:52. | |
And you can also subscribe to all our features on the news app, | :01:53. | :01:55. | |
by going to add topics and searching 'Victoria Derbyshire'". | :01:56. | :01:58. | |
Two people are due to be sentenced today for their part | :01:59. | :02:00. | |
in what is thought to be Britain's biggest ever romance scam. | :02:01. | :02:05. | |
Romance fraud is where one person makes another believe they're | :02:06. | :02:08. | |
in love with them, only to exploit the relationship for money. | :02:09. | :02:11. | |
In this instance, the victim was conned out of | :02:12. | :02:20. | |
one point six million | :02:21. | :02:21. | |
pounds after falling for a man she met on an internet dating site. | :02:22. | :02:25. | |
more than three thousand cases of suspected romance crime in | :02:26. | :02:28. | |
this cost victims more than thirty-two million pounds. | :02:29. | :02:36. | |
But how do scammers go about tricking their victims? | :02:37. | :02:38. | |
BBC reporter Angus Crawford has seen their tactics first-hand, | :02:39. | :02:40. | |
You put up your profile on several dating sites. What do you think of | :02:41. | :02:59. | |
this guy? He says hello beautiful, what does | :03:00. | :03:05. | |
he say about himself? He is introducing the subject of | :03:06. | :03:16. | |
money very quickly. Hello Daniel. How are you? You have | :03:17. | :03:33. | |
a nice voice, wow. With ?50? Hi Daniel, my name is | :03:34. | :04:02. | |
Angus Crawford, I'm from the BBC, we know that you are a scammer. | :04:03. | :04:12. | |
Daniel has put down the phone, he is not an American soldier in Nigeria, | :04:13. | :04:20. | |
is just a scammer trying to get money out of lonely, vulnerable | :04:21. | :04:21. | |
women. Angus Crawford there, | :04:22. | :04:23. | |
exposing an online dating scammer. He told me in the first message that | :04:24. | :04:25. | |
the receiving end of such a scam? He told me in the first message that | :04:26. | :04:38. | |
he was American, living in California. | :04:39. | :04:45. | |
He sounded nice, decent, he sounded like an interesting person that you | :04:46. | :04:54. | |
could talk with. How quickly did you start to enjoy talking to him? My | :04:55. | :05:01. | |
common-sense was telling me that something was not writing this | :05:02. | :05:05. | |
story, he sounded too much like movie character. He supposedly had a | :05:06. | :05:11. | |
son located in Ghana living with a caretaker. When that Sun was calling | :05:12. | :05:18. | |
my phone and he was calling me mum, the fact that I didn't have children | :05:19. | :05:25. | |
but I had always wanted them, in my case that was the game. All of the | :05:26. | :05:29. | |
money requests were revolving around the sun, because the scammer was | :05:30. | :05:34. | |
smart enough to know that if he asked me for money for himself it | :05:35. | :05:40. | |
wouldn't work. Tell me out the money requests? The first one was when the | :05:41. | :05:45. | |
sun was having his birthday. He was cleaning of having an iPad. -- | :05:46. | :05:52. | |
dreaming of having an iPad. So yes, no big deal I sent the money. The | :05:53. | :05:56. | |
next request is when the sun had an accident at school, and he injured | :05:57. | :06:01. | |
his head, he needed surgery and they requested money for the surgery. | :06:02. | :06:06. | |
After that, it was nice and smooth for two weeks. And then, | :06:07. | :06:16. | |
the son had got cholera and I was thinking that something was not | :06:17. | :06:24. | |
right. When you finally discovered this was all a lie, what did that do | :06:25. | :06:33. | |
to you? Well, it was not a pleasant feeling. The first thing you think | :06:34. | :06:39. | |
is how could I have been so stupid? After sending him money three | :06:40. | :06:43. | |
times, he was pushing for more and when I told him I would not pay | :06:44. | :06:45. | |
again he became abusive. So just how common is online dating | :06:46. | :06:54. | |
fraud and what can we do to tackle it? With me, is a chief executive of | :06:55. | :07:03. | |
a dating agency and a lady who lost ?8,000. And another man, who is the | :07:04. | :07:09. | |
owner of scams survivors .com. First of all Barry, you lost ?8,000, tell | :07:10. | :07:16. | |
me. I had been widowed for dossiers and I decided with loss of my | :07:17. | :07:20. | |
girlfriends that we would try online dating. -- two of my girlfriends. | :07:21. | :07:26. | |
Quite early on, I came across somebody, similar to what you had | :07:27. | :07:31. | |
seen, was the soldier in Baghdad. He was widowed, his wife had died in a | :07:32. | :07:37. | |
car crash, and he was alone in the world. That triggered that sense of | :07:38. | :07:45. | |
aloneness because mum is my middle name in many ways. He very quickly | :07:46. | :07:52. | |
said, I only want to chat with you, you are the only person that I want | :07:53. | :07:57. | |
to see. He's younger than me and I was very flattered by it and the | :07:58. | :08:00. | |
picture I had, was dropped dead gorgeous. And my friends were | :08:01. | :08:07. | |
saying, trust you Valerie. And then he would tell me when he was going | :08:08. | :08:11. | |
out on mission and I would set up all night to wait for him to e-mail | :08:12. | :08:17. | |
me to say that he was safe. When I drove anywhere, because he's wife | :08:18. | :08:23. | |
died in a car crash I would tell him when I had written that I was safe. | :08:24. | :08:28. | |
This was only about a month when this started to happen, we started | :08:29. | :08:32. | |
to talk about what would happen in the future. At that point, when I | :08:33. | :08:37. | |
had been widowed I had already lost my home and my car because my | :08:38. | :08:42. | |
husband had died of cancer, and we had spent everything to try and find | :08:43. | :08:46. | |
a cure for him. So I kind of had that pattern anyway, he said, it was | :08:47. | :08:52. | |
really classic comedies said, when he came home, we would look to buy a | :08:53. | :08:59. | |
house. Ira member saying, I have very little, I don't have a home | :09:00. | :09:06. | |
very more. He said, I don't mind babe, which I read loved when he | :09:07. | :09:11. | |
called me babe. He said I want us to buy a house. That was that. That is | :09:12. | :09:17. | |
how he built the story, then he started to talk about a fellow | :09:18. | :09:20. | |
officer in the Army who had made some money with this deal, he was | :09:21. | :09:30. | |
weaving you in. What happened was, he told me about this, and I said, | :09:31. | :09:38. | |
beware of being scammed. He actually e-mailed me saying, how could people | :09:39. | :09:43. | |
do such a terrible thing. And ie not back, and I said they came from very | :09:44. | :09:46. | |
poor countries and there was an issue there. It is the same | :09:47. | :09:53. | |
effectively as what we have seen? It is the same story, what we have seen | :09:54. | :10:00. | |
on screen, is intelligent people with triggers, and those triggers | :10:01. | :10:07. | |
are being pressed. It is that sense of targeting and behaviours. The | :10:08. | :10:12. | |
other side of the coin, 10 million people, are dating, they are not all | :10:13. | :10:19. | |
being scammed. That is why we have got to keep it safe precisely for | :10:20. | :10:24. | |
the reasons we are talking about. Wayne is part of a scam support | :10:25. | :10:31. | |
group, is it always easy to spot? It can be but then again it can't. | :10:32. | :10:34. | |
There are certain things that you need to look out for, you can read | :10:35. | :10:42. | |
them on the forums. Are people being caught because of the companies | :10:43. | :10:46. | |
being vigilant or is it always after somebody has been scammed? They | :10:47. | :10:52. | |
usually come to us after they have been scammed, some will feel | :10:53. | :10:57. | |
suspicious, but in most cases it is people who have already been | :10:58. | :11:03. | |
scammed. If it is relatively easy to spot, what are the companies doing? | :11:04. | :11:09. | |
I think there are two things that you have to do, the bit that you | :11:10. | :11:14. | |
cannot see is all of the attempts that are identified or blocked. The | :11:15. | :11:19. | |
first associate member of our association, they do software around | :11:20. | :11:23. | |
online dating and scammed a section. We will be looking at the profile, | :11:24. | :11:29. | |
the messaging, the visual stuff, checking all of those things. | :11:30. | :11:35. | |
Because, we want that, to weed out a bunch of people to try and keep the | :11:36. | :11:43. | |
sites safe and great and fun. Nothing is 100%, this is life. Here | :11:44. | :11:48. | |
is the advice and guidance that we give about staying online, using the | :11:49. | :11:52. | |
service that the dating company provides. Not chatting on Facebook, | :11:53. | :11:58. | |
and private numbers. What advice would you give? Classic lead, never | :11:59. | :12:10. | |
send any money. Never ever. I know how hard that is because it took me | :12:11. | :12:15. | |
a long time to actually be able to say, I would relate to the woman in | :12:16. | :12:18. | |
the article because you just feel an idiot. There is also, look at the | :12:19. | :12:25. | |
language that someone is using. Does it make sense in English. What is | :12:26. | :12:33. | |
the spelling like, I know that we don't teach spelling. There are tips | :12:34. | :12:37. | |
like that, it is something that is within you, looking at your own | :12:38. | :12:42. | |
need. I was lonely, this was something that triggered me. I think | :12:43. | :12:47. | |
another important thing is, don't let it spoil the rest of your life. | :12:48. | :12:52. | |
That is good advice, thank you all. Thank you all very much. | :12:53. | :12:56. | |
France is remembering the 130 people who lost their lives in the Paris | :12:57. | :12:59. | |
Survivors and families of victims have been invited to | :13:00. | :13:04. | |
the event which is being held at the at Les Invalides in the city. | :13:05. | :13:11. | |
President Francois Hollande is due to speak at the special service. | :13:12. | :13:13. | |
Ben Brown is in Place de la Republique where people are | :13:14. | :13:16. | |
And we will be bringing you coverage of the service over the next half | :13:17. | :13:27. | |
hour. Francois Hollande will be speaking for 20 minutes during that | :13:28. | :13:32. | |
service, he has urged every French citizen to take part by flying the | :13:33. | :13:38. | |
French trick of law. -- the French flag. | :13:39. | :13:42. | |
Yes you join us at the Zabaleta lead in the heart of Paris, in this | :13:43. | :13:49. | |
majestic splendour, it is the backdrop, for this National Service | :13:50. | :13:56. | |
of remembrance, by President Hollande, and the former president | :13:57. | :14:03. | |
of France Nicolas Sarkozy. And also the relatives of the 130 people who | :14:04. | :14:07. | |
lost the lives in the attacks two weeks ago and also some of the | :14:08. | :14:13. | |
survivors will be here as well. Many of the survivors in fact still in | :14:14. | :14:17. | |
hospital, being treated for their wounds, some seriously ill. Those | :14:18. | :14:21. | |
who have been able to make it will be here at this National Service of | :14:22. | :14:26. | |
remembrance. President Hollande has asked that people right across | :14:27. | :14:30. | |
France trade the national flag, the red white and blue across their | :14:31. | :14:36. | |
homes and businesses so that this is a day of remembrance for the victims | :14:37. | :14:40. | |
of the Paris attacks two weeks on, not just here in Paris, but indeed | :14:41. | :14:45. | |
right across the country. I am joined outside Les Invalides, by a | :14:46. | :14:55. | |
French journalist, who was caught up in the attacks. As one of the | :14:56. | :15:03. | |
survivors, it must have been a very traumatic night, two weeks on what | :15:04. | :15:08. | |
are your thoughts? Thankfully I decided not to go to the bar, where | :15:09. | :15:14. | |
I was going to go to a birthday, where the attack happened. But I | :15:15. | :15:17. | |
still got caught in the area because I was going later. Thankfully I did | :15:18. | :15:24. | |
not see any corpses lying on the ground, unlike my friends who did | :15:25. | :15:27. | |
see those dreadful scenes. It was a scary night. A night I will never | :15:28. | :15:33. | |
forget, just like the rest of France because these are unprecedented | :15:34. | :15:37. | |
attacks against France, in the wake of the attacks it just seemed like | :15:38. | :15:40. | |
the whole nation is getting together. | :15:41. | :16:00. | |
What does this mean for the Paris and France? Is it cathartic? Maybe | :16:01. | :16:11. | |
France tries to get some closure? Absolutely, closure is the keyword, | :16:12. | :16:19. | |
two weeks after the attacks. 130 dead we all know and Paris who knows | :16:20. | :16:25. | |
someone who knows someone. We all know people who got injured. We have | :16:26. | :16:30. | |
all been affected by this story. It hit the neighbourhood where I was | :16:31. | :16:38. | |
born and brought up, the area of la Republique. More than half of the | :16:39. | :16:51. | |
victims were under 35. That is why the French need to unite and stick | :16:52. | :16:56. | |
together in difficult times. It is important that the French president | :16:57. | :16:59. | |
has Napoleon's ashes were brought. | :17:00. | :17:09. | |
Usually you play tribute to military men but the victims who died fell | :17:10. | :17:15. | |
for France and that is the symbol of this remembrance service here at Les | :17:16. | :17:22. | |
Invalides in the heart of Paris. President Hollande, we can see the | :17:23. | :17:26. | |
motorcycle riders, some of the dignitaries arriving here at Les | :17:27. | :17:31. | |
Invalides. He has declared this state of emergency, for three | :17:32. | :17:37. | |
months, how nervous are people feeling one fortnight on from the | :17:38. | :17:42. | |
attacks? One or two of the attackers could still be at large, are people | :17:43. | :17:47. | |
nervous? People are nervous and the state of emergency could be extended | :17:48. | :17:51. | |
more than three months. That is what has been announced yesterday. You | :17:52. | :18:00. | |
have less people taking the metro. Some people do not go to bars any | :18:01. | :18:05. | |
more and stay at home. You do notice that restaurants are emptier than | :18:06. | :18:10. | |
usual. There is this sense of anxiety. People are slightly skewed. | :18:11. | :18:14. | |
Life is getting back to normal slowly. It will take time for the | :18:15. | :18:20. | |
French to come to terms with what happened. This was unprecedented, | :18:21. | :18:26. | |
Paris has never seen such attacks on its soil. Especially when you see | :18:27. | :18:30. | |
those committed by terrorists, some of them were born in France and | :18:31. | :18:33. | |
working for the public transport service. People are scared. It is | :18:34. | :18:40. | |
nice to see the scenes with people behind us with the French flags. | :18:41. | :18:43. | |
This is not something we do in France very often. It is not like | :18:44. | :18:50. | |
the United States. We do not have software to grind the French flag | :18:51. | :18:53. | |
and not every family has a French flag at home. President Hollande, we | :18:54. | :19:00. | |
have seen him getting out his khaki at Les Invalides. One family at | :19:01. | :19:05. | |
least are boycotting the service, blaming the French government, | :19:06. | :19:09. | |
saying they should've done more to prevent the terror attacks after | :19:10. | :19:12. | |
Charlie Hebdo. How much anger is there with the feelings of security | :19:13. | :19:19. | |
services? What has to be said is the political unity crumbled very | :19:20. | :19:23. | |
quickly. As early as Sunday, two days after the attacks, the | :19:24. | :19:29. | |
centre-right opposition party with former President Nicolas Sarkozy | :19:30. | :19:31. | |
criticised the government with drastic ages needing to be brought | :19:32. | :19:36. | |
in. Not enough security was given to the French people in the wake of the | :19:37. | :19:41. | |
Charlie Hebdo attacks. That was very important and that is why one family | :19:42. | :19:45. | |
who has decided to boycott this event. They feel more should've been | :19:46. | :19:52. | |
done to prevent attacks. Just listen to the French national anthem that | :19:53. | :19:53. | |
is plain. The food ceremony here at Les | :19:54. | :21:04. | |
Invalides, the French national anthem being played, we can hear the | :21:05. | :21:09. | |
name of all of the victims that lost their lives. -- the full ceremony. | :21:10. | :21:14. | |
Their names will be read out alphabetically and there will be | :21:15. | :21:20. | |
one-minute silence. Let us talk to the French journalist with me who | :21:21. | :21:24. | |
was caught up in the attacks. Important really, do you think, for | :21:25. | :21:30. | |
the French authorities to have the service with all the ceremony we | :21:31. | :21:36. | |
concede here? It is not just any day of remembrance, this is in the heart | :21:37. | :21:42. | |
of Paris on a day of majestic ceremony in majestic surroundings. | :21:43. | :21:49. | |
Les Invalides behind us that honours the military men, Napoleon's ashes | :21:50. | :21:54. | |
were brought here. This is the most prestigious tribute you can make and | :21:55. | :21:57. | |
the best way to honour these victims, these 130 victims. It is | :21:58. | :22:02. | |
very important to have the families of these victims, relatives, friends | :22:03. | :22:08. | |
and survivors here. It will bring closure to the French people, | :22:09. | :22:14. | |
hopefully. Showing these victims and their families that the French state | :22:15. | :22:20. | |
does think about them and that it is very important for the French nation | :22:21. | :22:25. | |
as a whole, and that is why you have so many French flags out today in | :22:26. | :22:30. | |
the heart of Paris in Les Invalides. And the whole of France is thinking | :22:31. | :22:34. | |
about these people. Across France you will have French flags. There is | :22:35. | :22:40. | |
a wave of patriotism in the wake of these attacks. We are just listen | :22:41. | :22:48. | |
now to a bit more of the service as it gets under way. | :22:49. | :23:02. | |
what are at Les Invalides of the National service of remembrance for | :23:03. | :30:50. | |
those who lost their lives in the Paris attacks two weeks ago. The | :30:51. | :30:54. | |
deadliest attack on France since the Second World War. The deadliest | :30:55. | :31:01. | |
terrorist attack in Europe since the Madrid train bombings of 2004. | :31:02. | :31:08. | |
We were seeing just then some of the pictures of the names of those who | :31:09. | :31:15. | |
died, so many young people. The average age was just 35 years old. | :31:16. | :31:24. | |
We will listen in now, because they are reading alphabetically the names | :31:25. | :31:27. | |
of all of the victims of those who died that night. | :31:28. | :34:05. | |
(NAMES AND AGES OF VICTIMS READ OUT) (NAMES AND AGES OF VICTIMS READ OUT) | :34:06. | :36:28. | |
Will TRANSLATION: Friday the 13th of November, this data we will never | :36:29. | :46:16. | |
forget. France was struck in an act of war organised from far-away and | :46:17. | :46:27. | |
carried out in cold blood by an assassin. He killed 130 of hours and | :46:28. | :46:39. | |
injured thousands. Today, the whole nation, all the nation is forced to | :46:40. | :46:54. | |
remember the victims, 130 lives taken away from us. 130 laughs that | :46:55. | :47:02. | |
we will never heard again, 130 voices have been killed for ever. | :47:03. | :47:12. | |
These women and men, represent the joy of life, that is why they were | :47:13. | :47:24. | |
killed and because it was France. They represented liberty and they | :47:25. | :47:32. | |
were massacred. During this serious and painful time, we are the nation | :47:33. | :47:40. | |
comes together, I offer my compassion and affection to the | :47:41. | :47:50. | |
families and the close ones who have came here today to share the same | :47:51. | :47:53. | |
pain. The parents who will never see their children. Children who will | :47:54. | :48:00. | |
grow up without their parents. Couples who have been torn apart by | :48:01. | :48:07. | |
losing loved ones. Sisters and brothers have been separated for | :48:08. | :48:17. | |
ever. 130 dead and scores of injured who have been scarred forever,, ties | :48:18. | :48:22. | |
to within themselves. -- traumatised. I would like to see | :48:23. | :48:31. | |
these words, France will be on your side. We will bring together our | :48:32. | :48:38. | |
forces to alleviate the pain and after having buried the dead, it is | :48:39. | :48:51. | |
our duty to happen... I solemnly promise you that France will put | :48:52. | :48:57. | |
everything at its disposal towards the army who have carried out these | :48:58. | :49:02. | |
crimes. It will operate relentlessly. I promise you that | :49:03. | :49:10. | |
France will stay France, the same France that those who have been | :49:11. | :49:16. | |
taken away from loved. And if there was one reason for us to stand up | :49:17. | :49:22. | |
today, one reason to fight for our principles, one reason to defend | :49:23. | :49:30. | |
this republic which is our common republic, people find it in their | :49:31. | :49:39. | |
memories. These women and men who have come from 150 communities in | :49:40. | :49:48. | |
France, cities, suburbs, villages. They have also came from all over | :49:49. | :49:51. | |
the world, 17 countries today share the pain with others. These women | :49:52. | :50:03. | |
and these men. On Friday the 13th of November where in Paris, a city that | :50:04. | :50:11. | |
shines a light of ideas, that changed during the day and the | :50:12. | :50:18. | |
night, they were at the cafe terraces, a place for ideas and | :50:19. | :50:25. | |
meetings. They shared and savoured meals on this evening of Opurum. In | :50:26. | :50:37. | |
the Bataclan, listening to an American band that showed them | :50:38. | :50:47. | |
friendship. These women and men of all ages. The majority were under 35 | :50:48. | :51:00. | |
years old. They were children when the Berlin Wall fell. | :51:01. | :51:12. | |
world. We understood that the world is threatened by new perils on the | :51:13. | :51:20. | |
11th of September ten. France was the enemy of no people. | :51:21. | :51:46. | |
The soldiers operate wherever they are asked to do to protect the weak | :51:47. | :51:50. | |
but not to impose its domination. These women and men represented the | :51:51. | :51:58. | |
youth of France. The youth of a free people who loved culture, its | :51:59. | :52:05. | |
culture. Which means all of the cultures. Amongst the victims of the | :52:06. | :52:16. | |
Bataclan, a lot of them choose to use music as the job. It was the | :52:17. | :52:19. | |
music that was the target of the terrorists. It was this harmony they | :52:20. | :52:24. | |
wanted to break. It was this happiness that they wanted to | :52:25. | :52:28. | |
eradicate with the damage of the bombs. To answer them better, we | :52:29. | :52:37. | |
will multiply our songs, our concerts, our spectacles. We will | :52:38. | :52:46. | |
continue to go to the stadiums, especially the much loved stadiums | :52:47. | :52:54. | |
like the Stade de France and Saint Denis, and we can also show the same | :52:55. | :53:02. | |
emotions by showing our differences, our origins, other colours, our | :53:03. | :53:13. | |
creeds and faith. We are one and the same nation. What do the terrorists | :53:14. | :53:23. | |
want? To divide us? To depose us? To make us fight against each other? | :53:24. | :53:28. | |
They will fail. They have the cult of death but we have got to love, | :53:29. | :53:34. | |
the love of life. Those who were killed on the 13th of November where | :53:35. | :53:39. | |
France, the whole of France, they were students,, engineers, graphic | :53:40. | :53:57. | |
designers, waiters, photographers. Publicists. They represented the | :53:58. | :54:02. | |
jobs and the talents of France and the jobs in France. All of them for | :54:03. | :54:13. | |
their families and the country. By remembering their faces, the names | :54:14. | :54:17. | |
and also their hopes and joy. We will act tomorrow. Our enemies | :54:18. | :54:34. | |
incarnated height. -- height. Those killed in London or Paris or | :54:35. | :54:40. | |
Madrid, the enemy is fanaticism. That wants to subjugate mankind to | :54:41. | :54:49. | |
an inhuman order. It is an Islam that denies the second message of | :54:50. | :54:55. | |
Islam. We will prevail together with our forces, the forces of the | :54:56. | :55:02. | |
Republic, with our arms, the arms of democracy, with our institutions, | :55:03. | :55:10. | |
and the wrong hands of the right. In this fight, we can count on our | :55:11. | :55:15. | |
military engaging in difficult operations in Syria, in Iraq. We can | :55:16. | :55:24. | |
count on our police forces as well as the judicial system who have | :55:25. | :55:29. | |
braved -- behaved in an admirable way to make sure that the terrorists | :55:30. | :55:35. | |
are dealt with. We can count on our Parliament to adopt all of the | :55:36. | :55:40. | |
measures that call for the defence of the interests of the country | :55:41. | :55:46. | |
within the national concord and also the respect of the fundamental | :55:47. | :55:53. | |
liberty and we can count on each French man and woman to be | :55:54. | :55:59. | |
vigilant, to be resolute, to show humanity and dignity. We will carry | :56:00. | :56:07. | |
on this fight until the end and we will win by staying faithful to the | :56:08. | :56:16. | |
idea of France. Which is to live with a relentless willingness to be | :56:17. | :56:21. | |
together. An attachment to the nation. Confidence in our collective | :56:22. | :56:32. | |
fate. I can affirm to you we will not change. They will remain united. | :56:33. | :56:41. | |
-- we will remain united around what matters. I salute before your | :56:42. | :56:52. | |
families gestures from so many friends who came to light a candle | :56:53. | :57:02. | |
to lay some flowers. Or to do something to express their feelings | :57:03. | :57:09. | |
to qualify this gesture and the word fraternity. What can I say about the | :57:10. | :57:19. | |
mobilisation of all of all the come to the rescue of the victims? To | :57:20. | :57:25. | |
accompany those who survived, to console the loved ones. This | :57:26. | :57:31. | |
admirable gesture, also expresses what we are, a united country which | :57:32. | :57:43. | |
is happened since the 13th of November. It represents the gravity | :57:44. | :57:48. | |
and the challenges that are facing the country. Those who fell victim | :57:49. | :57:56. | |
on the 13th of November incarnated our values and our duty more than | :57:57. | :58:00. | |
ever which is to make sure these values live and we will not give in | :58:01. | :58:12. | |
to either fear or hatred. If angle at overcomes us, we should remain | :58:13. | :58:22. | |
composed. -- anger. We should defend liberty every single day. The will | :58:23. | :58:28. | |
to make Frans a great country, proud of its history, way of life, | :58:29. | :58:38. | |
culture, universal presence and the inspiration that our country gets -- | :58:39. | :58:44. | |
gives to the country whenever it is hurt. I cannot forget the images | :58:45. | :58:50. | |
from all over the world who joined us in the same movement and to | :58:51. | :58:59. | |
memorise those who fell in Paris as if the entire world was in mourning. | :59:00. | :59:03. | |
The patriotism that we are witnessing today is manifested with | :59:04. | :59:10. | |
the flanks that have adorned the entire country. People singing the | :59:11. | :59:19. | |
national anthem. This has nothing to do with any instinct of revenge, | :59:20. | :59:25. | |
this patriotism is the symbol of our unity and our admirable persistence | :59:26. | :59:32. | |
in the face of the strike that could happen to us. France will remain | :59:33. | :59:38. | |
intact despite the tragedy, despite the blood that has been shared | :59:39. | :59:44. | |
because of its principal of hope and tolerance. The tragedy has touched | :59:45. | :59:53. | |
us all, the families first and the French, irrespective of the creed, | :59:54. | :00:02. | |
origin, confession, it has touched us but it will make us stronger. I | :00:03. | :00:11. | |
am going to tell you my confidence in the next generation. That | :00:12. | :00:18. | |
generation knew at an early age tragic events that actually formed | :00:19. | :00:24. | |
the identity. The attack on the 13th of November will remain in the | :00:25. | :00:28. | |
memory of today's youth as a terrible initiation about the | :00:29. | :00:39. | |
harshness of the world. But also to invent a new commitment. I know that | :00:40. | :00:47. | |
this generation will solemnly carry the flame that we will transfer. | :00:48. | :00:55. | |
It'll have the courage to take on hand at the future of our nation. | :00:56. | :01:05. | |
The pain that has touched the martyrs of the 13th of November has | :01:06. | :01:11. | |
invested in this youth. Liberty should not be avenged but it should | :01:12. | :01:17. | |
be served. I salute this new generation, it has been hit but it | :01:18. | :01:23. | |
has not been covered. this generation will climb short | :01:24. | :01:39. | |
show proof of grandeur, it will live, in the name of the dead that | :01:40. | :01:51. | |
we will commemorate today, despite the tears, this generation has today | :01:52. | :02:00. | |
the Republic, long-lived France. -- long live France | :02:01. | :02:06. | |
(FRENCH NATIONAL ANTHEM MILITARY BAND STYLE) | :02:07. | :05:34. | |
so the Marseillaise played again here at Les Invalides, in the court | :05:35. | :05:43. | |
of honour, one of 15 courtyards inside Les Invalides, a setting for | :05:44. | :05:49. | |
this national day of remembrance. We were listening there to President | :05:50. | :05:53. | |
Hollande, a very powerful and emotional speech by him. He was | :05:54. | :06:00. | |
talking about how France would not give in to fear or to hatred, the | :06:01. | :06:05. | |
whole world is in mourning. The enemy he said is fanaticism, that | :06:06. | :06:12. | |
wants to subjugate mankind. He said, we will prevail with our forces. | :06:13. | :06:17. | |
They want to divide us, said President Hollande, they will fail, | :06:18. | :06:22. | |
they have the cult of death, he said, but we have love, the love of | :06:23. | :06:29. | |
life. He talked about the 130 victims, those that lost their lives | :06:30. | :06:32. | |
in these attacks. President Hollande, who is now leaving Les | :06:33. | :06:39. | |
Invalides, he talked about how, there were parents who would never | :06:40. | :06:43. | |
see their children again, children who would never see their parents | :06:44. | :06:47. | |
again. Couples that have been torn apart by the terror attacks of two | :06:48. | :06:54. | |
weeks ago. He promised, the relatives of the dead who were | :06:55. | :06:57. | |
thereat the service in the heart of Paris that France would be on their | :06:58. | :07:02. | |
side. France would do everything, she said, it could to destroy the | :07:03. | :07:09. | |
fanatics. But France he also promised, would stay the same | :07:10. | :07:13. | |
France, the same France of those who had died, and loved. 130 people from | :07:14. | :07:20. | |
17 different countries who lost their lives, two weeks ago, and he | :07:21. | :07:28. | |
said that all of France shares their pain. He pointed out that the | :07:29. | :07:32. | |
majority of the victims had been under the age of 35. The main target | :07:33. | :07:44. | |
of the terrorists, he said, had been the happiness, of those people, who | :07:45. | :07:48. | |
were out on a Friday night, enjoying rock music at the Bataclan, a meal | :07:49. | :07:55. | |
in a cafe or a restaurant, or a drink, or watching the football | :07:56. | :08:03. | |
match. At the Stade de France. They want to divide us, said President | :08:04. | :08:09. | |
Hollande, but they will fail. It has been a traumatic fortnight, for all | :08:10. | :08:14. | |
of France, for President Hollande, who looks tired and very emotional, | :08:15. | :08:22. | |
as he addressed the relatives of the 130 people who died. He is now | :08:23. | :08:31. | |
leaving Liz at their lead, -- leaving Les Invalides, this is a | :08:32. | :08:33. | |
National Service of Memorial and remembrance. A chance for all of | :08:34. | :08:41. | |
France, to pay their respects to those who died, not only the 130 who | :08:42. | :08:46. | |
died but also the hundreds who were injured in the attacks, one | :08:47. | :08:50. | |
fortnight ago. Many of those are still in hospital, some of them | :08:51. | :08:57. | |
still seriously ill. Here at Les Invalides, not just relatives and | :08:58. | :09:01. | |
some of the survivors as well, but also some of the paramedics who were | :09:02. | :09:05. | |
first on the scene. Some of the police as well. A moment for France | :09:06. | :09:17. | |
to remember in the majestic surroundings of Les Invalides where | :09:18. | :09:22. | |
Napoleon is buried. One of the most famous monuments in Paris. And a | :09:23. | :09:27. | |
fitting memorial perhaps, for those who lost their lives, to the terror | :09:28. | :09:30. | |
attacks two weeks ago. An extraordinary powerful and moving | :09:31. | :09:51. | |
memorial there, in Paris. Remembering the victims. The | :09:52. | :09:54. | |
aftermath of the Paris attacks has seen a debate here as to whether | :09:55. | :09:57. | |
Britain should take part in air strikes against IS in Syria, now the | :09:58. | :10:02. | |
Labour Party has been plunged into crisis because of divisions over the | :10:03. | :10:07. | |
issue. David Cameron called on MPs to back the plans to extend bombing | :10:08. | :10:11. | |
operations against so-called list and mixed eight, Jeremy Corbyn told | :10:12. | :10:15. | |
his Shadow Cabinet that he would not support the move. Senior Labour | :10:16. | :10:19. | |
figures are now threatening to resign. He would not support the | :10:20. | :10:21. | |
move. Senior Labour figures are now threatening to resign. What is the | :10:22. | :10:27. | |
latest for us in the row in the Labour Party? The row is deadly | :10:28. | :10:32. | |
serious, clearly at the moment, you have the position that probably half | :10:33. | :10:37. | |
of Jeremy Corbyn's Shadow Cabinet might be ready to support air | :10:38. | :10:41. | |
strikes as part of a strategy taking on so-called Islamic State. Jeremy | :10:42. | :10:45. | |
Corbyn lit the touch paper if you like in terms of internal disputes, | :10:46. | :10:50. | |
by having a Shadow Cabinet meeting and then immediately going out and | :10:51. | :10:54. | |
writing to MPs saying that he was against air strikes. This was after | :10:55. | :10:58. | |
having had a 90 minute discussion suggesting that they come back on | :10:59. | :11:02. | |
Monday, reflect about it over the weekend. What people are saying, is | :11:03. | :11:08. | |
that, he is trying to pressurise MPs into backing his position and trying | :11:09. | :11:12. | |
to get some of the new members coming into the party, giving them | :11:13. | :11:17. | |
support, to put pressure on the MPs as well. What David Cameron is | :11:18. | :11:22. | |
doing, he is meeting heads of government and of the Commonwealth | :11:23. | :11:26. | |
in a special summit in Malta, he is trying to argue of course that it is | :11:27. | :11:31. | |
essential for Britain's security to go ahead with air strikes as part of | :11:32. | :11:34. | |
a wider strategy because his political strategy is also to detach | :11:35. | :11:39. | |
enough Labour MPs from Jeremy Corbyn to make sure that he can have a | :11:40. | :11:44. | |
Parliamentary vote and to go ahead. Again he restated his position this | :11:45. | :11:45. | |
morning. INAUDIBLE | :11:46. | :11:59. | |
Yesterday, we agreed there was a compelling case I would urge all of | :12:00. | :12:04. | |
them to vote on the basis of the arguments for effective action, to | :12:05. | :12:08. | |
keep our country safe. Vote on those arguments and we can do the right | :12:09. | :12:13. | |
thing. David Cameron calling for that Parliamentary vote, but he | :12:14. | :12:16. | |
knows that it will undoubtedly split the opposition if he does so. This | :12:17. | :12:21. | |
was admitted in fact by the Foreign Secretary Hilary Benn, year someone | :12:22. | :12:25. | |
who was sceptical about air strikes in the absence of a wider strategy, | :12:26. | :12:30. | |
he seems to be convinced by the Prime Minister but also by the fact | :12:31. | :12:34. | |
that the UN Security Council was calling for more robust action | :12:35. | :12:37. | |
against Islamic State in a resolution just one week ago. This | :12:38. | :12:41. | |
morning he admitted that his party still has some weight to go to try | :12:42. | :12:46. | |
and heal its divisions on this issue. In the end, it is for each | :12:47. | :12:50. | |
member of Parliament to make a judgment about how they will cast a | :12:51. | :12:54. | |
vote and I should say that we have yet to see the motion, that the | :12:55. | :12:58. | |
Prime Minister may bring before the House of Commons. That is why, I'm | :12:59. | :13:02. | |
convinced of the need to take effective action but we will only be | :13:03. | :13:06. | |
able to make a final judgment, when we have a | :13:07. | :13:11. | |
proposition before the House of Commons. I think that all of us will | :13:12. | :13:17. | |
do the right thing, it is possible for all of us to reach different | :13:18. | :13:20. | |
conclusions about what should be done in this complex and difficult | :13:21. | :13:27. | |
situation. He admitted is complex and difficult, it certainly is for | :13:28. | :13:31. | |
the Labour Party. There is a chance that the party unites, but in all | :13:32. | :13:36. | |
likelihood sources are telling us that there is probably around 40 | :13:37. | :13:41. | |
Labour MPs who are likely to back the Prime Minister, maybe more than | :13:42. | :13:45. | |
that. Certainly it seems to be half of the Shadow Cabinet, slightly | :13:46. | :13:49. | |
more, are minded to be convinced. That could set them on a collision | :13:50. | :13:54. | |
course with Jeremy Corbyn unless he is willing to offer a free vote, to | :13:55. | :13:57. | |
let them vote with a conscience. So far he has not yet he did that. | :13:58. | :14:03. | |
Monday's meeting, and the Parliamentary party is going to be | :14:04. | :14:07. | |
crucial to determine its future as well as in turn to | :14:08. | :14:11. | |
determine whether the Prime Minister will have a vote on air strikes. | :14:12. | :14:17. | |
COMMENTATOR: Thank you very much, while politicians wrangle on what to | :14:18. | :14:21. | |
do, there is a tool information as to what life is like inside an | :14:22. | :14:26. | |
Islamic strongholds. The group has made Raqqa its headquarters, it has | :14:27. | :14:30. | |
become one of the main targets for air strikes by America, Jordanian, | :14:31. | :14:35. | |
Russian and now Frenchman a tree jets. The citizen journalist, is the | :14:36. | :14:44. | |
only source of information. They use you chew, and other social media to | :14:45. | :14:48. | |
inform the rest of the world about murders, explosions and rape. In a | :14:49. | :14:52. | |
town that was a safe haven in the early days of the Syrian Civil War. | :14:53. | :15:04. | |
I am from Raqqa, Syria, I am one of the co-founders. We have 18 | :15:05. | :15:14. | |
reporters inside the city, and the team outside, we are ten. The team | :15:15. | :15:19. | |
outside, -- inside they send us breaking news. And they deleted | :15:20. | :15:25. | |
automatically from Boeder vices, then how team outside, write | :15:26. | :15:27. | |
articles. So what will be the impact on | :15:28. | :18:16. | |
Syrians and charities trying to provide support on the ground | :18:17. | :18:24. | |
if Britain joins air strikes? In a letter obtained exclusively | :18:25. | :18:27. | |
by this programme from a group of influential Syrians living | :18:28. | :18:29. | |
in the UK, they ask David Cameron to find a find | :18:30. | :18:32. | |
and a find a political resolution One of those behind the letter | :18:33. | :18:35. | |
Dr Mohammad Isreb - Here with me is student | :18:36. | :18:38. | |
Razan Saffour whose still has some family members living in Syria - she | :18:39. | :19:25. | |
wants to see President Assad removed from power but doesn't want the UK | :19:26. | :19:28. | |
to get involved in air strikes. Sam Taylor is a senior Syria Advisor | :19:29. | :19:31. | |
for the charity Medecins Sans We read out a little bit of the | :19:32. | :19:49. | |
letter, tell us more about why you decided to write this. I would like | :19:50. | :19:55. | |
to see that Syrian people are not considered Isis as a threat to them, | :19:56. | :20:00. | |
it is a threat to the west. They see that the biggest threat is the | :20:01. | :20:04. | |
President Assad regime. That has killed 70% of the people who have | :20:05. | :20:12. | |
died Russia has joined the region to support President Assad. They are | :20:13. | :20:18. | |
using cluster bombs, white phosphorus and burning hospitals. | :20:19. | :20:24. | |
This is not even targeting Isis most of the time. We should have a | :20:25. | :20:35. | |
comprehensive alternative solution as Hilary Benn suggested. To the | :20:36. | :20:39. | |
Syrians, with the Syrians, we look like we are joining Russia in | :20:40. | :20:49. | |
helping President Assad. They will never be able to fight an ideology | :20:50. | :20:54. | |
like Isis by simply bombing from the air, we need to sort it out from the | :20:55. | :20:58. | |
ground. In order to gain the trust of the city and people that we are | :20:59. | :21:02. | |
on the site, we have to find a solution to protect them from the | :21:03. | :21:06. | |
hideous crimes that are committed by President Assad everyday. We | :21:07. | :21:13. | |
suggested a safe area in the letter so that people could seek safety. We | :21:14. | :21:20. | |
will never be able to get rid of Isis unless they get rid of | :21:21. | :21:25. | |
President Assad. We said that Syrians do not consider ISA threat | :21:26. | :21:33. | |
to them. We were hearing from some people in Syria talking about the | :21:34. | :21:37. | |
way it is being impacted on the ground. Syrians do consider Isis as | :21:38. | :21:46. | |
a threat but in the perspective, President Assad is the major | :21:47. | :21:50. | |
threat. 70% of the 200,000 people died because of the bombs from | :21:51. | :21:56. | |
President Assad. Syrians do see Isis as a big threat but they see them as | :21:57. | :22:02. | |
a symptom of the main disease which is the President Assad regime. We | :22:03. | :22:06. | |
will never be able to get rid of ices unless we get rid of the main | :22:07. | :22:13. | |
threat which is President Assad. I agree with the respective gentleman. | :22:14. | :22:21. | |
Ices survived in Syria because it failed as a state because President | :22:22. | :22:24. | |
Assad would rather destroy the country than lose power. Because of | :22:25. | :22:30. | |
this, President Assad is the cause and Isis is the symptom. Bombing | :22:31. | :22:40. | |
from the air will not stop Isis. It may kill the people currently in | :22:41. | :22:47. | |
Isis pottable not kill the ideology. It will just create more extremism. | :22:48. | :22:56. | |
That is what ices thrives on to remain in Syria. The danger is that | :22:57. | :23:08. | |
it sends a message that the West is not supporting Syrians, it is | :23:09. | :23:15. | |
supporting Assad. It Syrians do see IAS as a threat on the ground, will | :23:16. | :23:21. | |
they not see Britain becoming involved as being supportive? They | :23:22. | :23:31. | |
see Isis as a symptom of the brutality of Assad. The priority is | :23:32. | :23:35. | |
to get rid of back to rather than bombing Isis if that makes sense. | :23:36. | :23:42. | |
What impact have the air strikes been happening on your operations on | :23:43. | :23:47. | |
the ground because you have got 150 medical field centres operating in | :23:48. | :23:54. | |
this area? Just to be clear, we those centres with supplies and | :23:55. | :23:58. | |
other things. We do not work directly inside Syria in many places | :23:59. | :24:03. | |
because it is simply too dangerous. The situation is such that MSF is | :24:04. | :24:11. | |
incapable. The front lines change all the time and you talked about | :24:12. | :24:15. | |
the level of bombings in civilian areas which is huge. The risk of | :24:16. | :24:20. | |
kidnappings is significant. We only work if I places in northern Syria | :24:21. | :24:24. | |
but we support 150 structures. What we hear from those structures is | :24:25. | :24:28. | |
that they are being targeted in bombing raids, by missiles and by | :24:29. | :24:34. | |
barrel bombs. The impact of providing health care is huge. You | :24:35. | :24:38. | |
have got a system that existed previously insidious that was | :24:39. | :24:42. | |
decent. A health care system. It is now crippled and on its knees, it is | :24:43. | :24:50. | |
destroyed. You are a humanitarian medical organisation but do you have | :24:51. | :24:55. | |
any view on whether air strikes are making the situation any safer on | :24:56. | :24:57. | |
the ground for civilians and people try to help them what impact they | :24:58. | :25:04. | |
are having? We are an independent humanitarian organisation and we | :25:05. | :25:07. | |
will not take any position on that and what we can see very clearly, it | :25:08. | :25:12. | |
is a political solution, it is needed. More bombs is not going to | :25:13. | :25:27. | |
hasten political solution. What is the way to a political solution? The | :25:28. | :25:32. | |
International committee has been so divided on what to do. It is united | :25:33. | :25:42. | |
now against IAS. First of all, the city and organisations around the | :25:43. | :25:45. | |
UK, they are about 20 organisations, we made a policy | :25:46. | :25:49. | |
document which comprehensively looks at sorting the Syrian crisis,... We | :25:50. | :25:59. | |
see that we need to put political pressure to put the dash to stop the | :26:00. | :26:03. | |
barrel bombs in Syria. As the gentleman said, it is the medical | :26:04. | :26:10. | |
centres in Syria that are being targeted by the barrel bombs and the | :26:11. | :26:14. | |
white phosphorus, and cluster bombs. Eight hospitals have been | :26:15. | :26:18. | |
bombed by Russia since they started their campaign in Syria. What we | :26:19. | :26:24. | |
need is to provide a no bombings on. -- a bombing zone. This will | :26:25. | :26:38. | |
make Syrians feel able to combat Isis by themselves and reach a | :26:39. | :26:50. | |
political solution. Thank you all. Let us go back to the memorial | :26:51. | :27:02. | |
service in Paris. President Hollande bowed to destroy Islamic State and | :27:03. | :27:05. | |
said the victors will be remembered. This day that we will never forget. | :27:06. | :27:08. | |
-- the victims. Franchise was cowardly struct in an act of war | :27:09. | :27:22. | |
organised from far-away. And carried out in cold blood, an assassin has | :27:23. | :27:22. | |
killed 130 other thousands. -- of other people. -- | :27:23. | :27:44. | |
today, the entire nation is forced to remember the victims, 130 lives | :27:45. | :27:57. | |
taken away from us. 150 alas that we will never hear again. 130 voices | :27:58. | :28:01. | |
that have been killed for ever. These women and men represented the | :28:02. | :28:16. | |
joy of life and that is why they were killed. And because it | :28:17. | :28:17. | |
Frans we have been killed. The represented liberty and they were | :28:18. | :28:37. | |
massacred. A very moving the ceremony at Les Invalides. Majestic | :28:38. | :28:43. | |
surroundings for this service of remembrance. The 130 people that | :28:44. | :28:49. | |
lost their lives one fortnight ago well remembered. Relatives of the | :28:50. | :28:53. | |
dead were here. Some of the survivors were here. Politicians | :28:54. | :28:59. | |
from all parties, President Hollande and former presidents. We can talk | :29:00. | :29:04. | |
to the British ambassador to France who was in there for the service. | :29:05. | :29:11. | |
Very emotional, was it important for France to have this very formal | :29:12. | :29:14. | |
ceremonial National service of remembrance? I think it was. We are | :29:15. | :29:22. | |
two weeks on from the somatic event. This is a classic spot in Paris, it | :29:23. | :29:26. | |
is like the Royal Hospital in Chelsea, built for the victims of | :29:27. | :29:32. | |
wars. A very austere place. A very moving ceremony, 130 names read out | :29:33. | :29:37. | |
slowly and seemed to go on for ever. All of the families there. It was a | :29:38. | :29:42. | |
moment of conclusion for the families. And a very powerful | :29:43. | :29:46. | |
address from President Hollande who looks to be very emotional and | :29:47. | :29:50. | |
tired, not surprisingly given the last two weeks. A powerful speech in | :29:51. | :29:56. | |
which he said that the terrorists represent the cult of death. The | :29:57. | :30:01. | |
victims represent love and the love of life. And then the music that | :30:02. | :30:06. | |
accompanied that brought that message. He was saying that the | :30:07. | :30:10. | |
entire young generation was attacked but we have confidence that the | :30:11. | :30:15. | |
young generation will respond and keep the values of France after this | :30:16. | :30:19. | |
attack. I felt he spoke very well and very movingly after a very tough | :30:20. | :30:24. | |
week. He is off now to the Commonwealth summit in Malta to talk | :30:25. | :30:28. | |
about climate change. This was a very important moment for France. | :30:29. | :30:32. | |
What is Paris like two weeks on? How nervous are people? We read about | :30:33. | :30:36. | |
the terror cell where the police the terror cell where the police | :30:37. | :30:41. | |
went in, they were preparing another attack on the business district of | :30:42. | :30:45. | |
Paris. People here, are they still scared that there could be more | :30:46. | :30:49. | |
attacks? People are still nervous but equally determined it is not | :30:50. | :30:53. | |
going to change their way of life. Paris is getting back to business in | :30:54. | :30:57. | |
the cafes. We have got a big climate summit that in this weekend. Life is | :30:58. | :31:03. | |
continuing and this is part of putting these terrible events into | :31:04. | :31:04. | |
context by moving on. Yes, Nick Alexander who died, the | :31:05. | :31:23. | |
number of British people who were wounded at this ceremony, and so | :31:24. | :31:27. | |
many nations involved. Just an enormous number of people. | :31:28. | :31:32. | |
It was very sobering to hear all of the names read out one by one. And | :31:33. | :31:40. | |
he was saying this was a tragedy for the world and it was a world fight | :31:41. | :31:46. | |
against terrorism as well? It is a struggle of the entire civilised | :31:47. | :31:50. | |
world, against this one terrorist group. The Prime Minister has called | :31:51. | :31:54. | |
it a death cult. I think he was mobilising opinion partly in the | :31:55. | :32:01. | |
fight for our values, in not allowing this violence, to destroy | :32:02. | :32:02. | |
everything that we live. I know that some of the relatives, | :32:03. | :32:11. | |
one family did not want to come because they held the French | :32:12. | :32:14. | |
authorities partly responsible for what happened. Because they did not | :32:15. | :32:20. | |
stop it after the Charlie Hebdo attacks? People had their ruin | :32:21. | :32:25. | |
views, but I felt a tremendous solidarity, President Hollande used | :32:26. | :32:29. | |
the term solidarity, that all of the people had given the victims, of | :32:30. | :32:39. | |
course, every family has to make their choice. And President Hollande | :32:40. | :32:45. | |
has asked people to fly the trickle across the country, a day of | :32:46. | :32:51. | |
remembrance, right around France. It is everywhere now, it is a bit like | :32:52. | :32:56. | |
what happened if after 7-7, with the union Jack, it is about pride of the | :32:57. | :33:01. | |
country, that was very much in evidence. And an important, a stress | :33:02. | :33:09. | |
on life getting back. Going on, living your life, enjoying life, not | :33:10. | :33:17. | |
being cowed by terrorists? Yes, we have life and love and solidarity | :33:18. | :33:23. | |
and friendship, enjoying ourselves, what do the terrorists offer us? | :33:24. | :33:26. | |
Nothing like that that was one of the themes he had. Thank you very | :33:27. | :33:32. | |
much, Sir Peter Ricketts, the British ambassador to Paris, talking | :33:33. | :33:38. | |
inside that National Service of remembrance, he was there, in which | :33:39. | :33:41. | |
President Hollande said that the enemy is fanaticism, "they want to | :33:42. | :33:48. | |
subjugate mankind, but we will prevail with our forces. " A very | :33:49. | :33:53. | |
emotional service that has just come to an end. Thank you. | :33:54. | :33:58. | |
Next to some Pyrenean work that is helping to cut some child death | :33:59. | :34:04. | |
rates, death rates among sick children in the UK don't compare | :34:05. | :34:08. | |
well to Europe oz best performing country Sweden for child mortality. | :34:09. | :34:15. | |
Every year, there could be as many as 1951 excess deaths compare to | :34:16. | :34:18. | |
Sweden, among sick children in the UK. But a new campaign called safe | :34:19. | :34:25. | |
wants to change this, it is remarkably simple. It wants nurses, | :34:26. | :34:33. | |
doctors, and families to huddle, to exchange information. To see | :34:34. | :34:39. | |
what difference it is making, we have got a doctor, a nurse, and a | :34:40. | :34:49. | |
mother who got involved when her daughter became ill. Peter you are | :34:50. | :34:52. | |
effectively the pioneer, it was your idea, tell us how you came about it? | :34:53. | :35:01. | |
Basically it is a simple intervention, in Cincinnati | :35:02. | :35:04. | |
hospital, they pioneered this, saying could we anticipate something | :35:05. | :35:09. | |
going wrong before it goes wrong? Usually, when the child | :35:10. | :35:13. | |
deteriorates, you send a rescue team, what they said, is is it | :35:14. | :35:18. | |
possible for us to look ahead of time to see which children made it | :35:19. | :35:22. | |
and what are the things that we need to look at. They published the paper | :35:23. | :35:26. | |
around two years ago, in the paper they showed that they could decrease | :35:27. | :35:31. | |
and planned transfers by over 50 or 60%. That means a majority of people | :35:32. | :35:38. | |
who were potentially collapsed, were picked up earlier. It is moving from | :35:39. | :35:43. | |
anticipation to action, and the introduction of the huddle which is | :35:44. | :35:48. | |
a small group meeting where nursing staff, parents, share information | :35:49. | :35:52. | |
about the children who may deteriorate in the future, rather | :35:53. | :35:56. | |
than in the past, it changes the way people are thinking about health | :35:57. | :36:01. | |
care. It is remarkably simple, how is it making a difference? Everybody | :36:02. | :36:06. | |
has that information anyway, but it was not being shared? It is about | :36:07. | :36:12. | |
situational awareness, it comes from the military, it is knowing where | :36:13. | :36:16. | |
your troops are at all times so that they do not have friendly fire. In | :36:17. | :36:21. | |
sports it is the same, knowing where your colleagues are. In health care, | :36:22. | :36:26. | |
everyone has a different lens on patients, the parents have want you, | :36:27. | :36:30. | |
the nurse has want you, the doctors have another view, and the vital | :36:31. | :36:34. | |
signs may not reveal the truth of what is happening. In this case, we | :36:35. | :36:39. | |
get all of the players to try and tell us what is actually happening. | :36:40. | :36:43. | |
This is integrated together in this huddle, it happens to war three | :36:44. | :36:47. | |
times a day depending on the situation, and we tested out to see | :36:48. | :36:52. | |
what is the best way to do it, and that information will then increase | :36:53. | :36:54. | |
situation awareness and hopefully, will give us the situation before | :36:55. | :37:02. | |
they deteriorate. You are a parent, you got involved in this article | :37:03. | :37:06. | |
child ended up in hospital. What happened in your situation and what | :37:07. | :37:11. | |
inform Jory spirits is? So my daughter Martha was diagnosed with | :37:12. | :37:18. | |
leukaemia, four years ago. She spent six months intensive treatment, and | :37:19. | :37:22. | |
during that time, we observed lots of really good practice, and for me | :37:23. | :37:27. | |
fundamentally it was about the fact that we were able to build oration | :37:28. | :37:32. | |
ships with doctors and nurses and we were communicated with. -- build | :37:33. | :37:36. | |
relationships. When we were anxious was when information was not shared, | :37:37. | :37:43. | |
so when I had the opportunity of joining this project, I knew it was | :37:44. | :37:51. | |
simple things that were like being informed, a simple thing like having | :37:52. | :37:55. | |
a voice as a parent, we are used to thinking that the doctor knows best, | :37:56. | :37:59. | |
you sit and wait and listen. That is not the way that it is now, patient | :38:00. | :38:06. | |
centred care is about involving everybody, like play specialists, I | :38:07. | :38:08. | |
knew my daughter very well, the lady who delivered, all of this | :38:09. | :38:19. | |
district said that she was all right but I had a gut reaction that she | :38:20. | :38:25. | |
was not OK. Now we have got the proper mechanisms where that can | :38:26. | :38:30. | |
happen nationally. That was not the norm, I think it is becoming more of | :38:31. | :38:35. | |
the norm like through techniques like the huddle. Talking about her | :38:36. | :38:40. | |
situation missiles like a model of involving the parent and everybody | :38:41. | :38:48. | |
who is looking after a child. Was that unusual, when it was four years | :38:49. | :38:53. | |
ago? Identikit was unusual, it is always the aim. We have always been | :38:54. | :39:00. | |
keen to involve parents, in their care. But this is the way of helping | :39:01. | :39:07. | |
us, to get to, they know that the huddle is going to happen. We | :39:08. | :39:08. | |
got posters up, we can tell them this is how it is working, if you | :39:09. | :39:15. | |
are worried, we will listen to you all concerned. | :39:16. | :39:27. | |
Have we seen specific examples of it working, transforming the situation, | :39:28. | :39:28. | |
otherwise it having the bedside nurse, who is | :39:29. | :39:37. | |
having the, session with the family, they know that their concerns will | :39:38. | :39:43. | |
be passed on, and the parents know their children the best. We value | :39:44. | :39:48. | |
that conversation, that we will take that with us to the huddle, that is | :39:49. | :39:52. | |
what our focus and the huddle will be. It sounds like the added | :39:53. | :39:58. | |
ingredient is the parental input, is that the thing that is making the | :39:59. | :40:02. | |
big difference? That is one of the key | :40:03. | :40:08. | |
parent has a partner to manage the children. Also this is about | :40:09. | :40:13. | |
changing the culture in the wards, I grew up with the doctor knows best | :40:14. | :40:18. | |
view, and we need to change that, and say that everybody's view is | :40:19. | :40:23. | |
important. This programme is aiming at doing that, what happens is that | :40:24. | :40:28. | |
the team comes to a decision, what is the best way forward? The whole | :40:29. | :40:32. | |
idea is to identify children and mitigate against potential | :40:33. | :40:36. | |
deterioration and if necessary, to escalate early, so that you don't | :40:37. | :40:40. | |
change the way that we do most of change the way that we do most of | :40:41. | :40:46. | |
our health care, and seeing the spread, from 12 hospitals to 28 | :40:47. | :40:52. | |
hospitals, trying this out. We can get an answer and changing the way | :40:53. | :40:56. | |
that we behave. Do you think that lives are being saved? It is | :40:57. | :41:01. | |
difficult to say, we having bedded value Aitor is, to save lives in the | :41:02. | :41:11. | |
long-term, I would say two or three years you would have to do it. What | :41:12. | :41:17. | |
has happened, is that in a small hospital, they may have one or two | :41:18. | :41:21. | |
unexplained deaths, that might deteriorate. In a larger children's | :41:22. | :41:26. | |
hospital they may have more. We will not see more the death rates coming | :41:27. | :41:31. | |
down necessarily, but the number of children that we have two rescue | :41:32. | :41:34. | |
because we identify them earlier and then we will seek the rate of rescue | :41:35. | :41:38. | |
go down so in the long term yes I think that will happen. If there is | :41:39. | :41:43. | |
more of a culture of everybody getting together and talking through | :41:44. | :41:47. | |
the most appropriate way to deal with a child in this instance, does | :41:48. | :41:54. | |
that lead to a change more broadly in how issues are dealt with | :41:55. | :41:58. | |
afterwards? If things go wrong in terms of learning lessons? I think | :41:59. | :42:07. | |
from my perspective yes, I think the doctors and nurses I have met in | :42:08. | :42:12. | |
terms of the safe programme, there isn't the same defensiveness, so I | :42:13. | :42:16. | |
think learning lessons from the stakes, wings are much more open. | :42:17. | :42:22. | |
Historically, the sense is, that you are criticising. Now it is about | :42:23. | :42:27. | |
learning together, it is a responsibility for all to improve. | :42:28. | :42:30. | |
So in terms of the doctors and nurses that I have met, there is | :42:31. | :42:35. | |
definitely an appetite, we are continuously looking for ways to | :42:36. | :42:41. | |
improve. Is that your experience? Definitely, we have a culture of can | :42:42. | :42:45. | |
do now. Was there a culture of cover-up? In general, has there been | :42:46. | :42:51. | |
a sense in the health service to explain things away as unavoidable, | :42:52. | :43:00. | |
unforeseen circumstances? I think that we are more proactive now, if | :43:01. | :43:04. | |
we can take a situation that is going well, what works well and how | :43:05. | :43:09. | |
do we use that. Much more positive way to look at health. The important | :43:10. | :43:15. | |
thing is to learn when things go wrong, these are very complex | :43:16. | :43:20. | |
situations. But what we would like to do is to say that it is possible | :43:21. | :43:23. | |
to anticipate more, and to learn more in the future, as well as to | :43:24. | :43:29. | |
study what really works, and mostly you will have fantastic experience, | :43:30. | :43:34. | |
good care and we need to study that as well as what goes wrong. Thank | :43:35. | :43:40. | |
you all so much for coming in. Thank you. | :43:41. | :43:43. | |
Now I'll programme this morning has been dominated by that act of | :43:44. | :43:51. | |
remembrance in Paris, for the people who died, in the terror attacks. Let | :43:52. | :43:57. | |
us take you to Paris where people continue to lay flowers, in a | :43:58. | :44:01. | |
speech, the President of France, Francois Hollande says that France | :44:02. | :44:05. | |
will do everything it has, to destroy the Army fanatics. Goodbye. | :44:06. | :44:13. | |
The weather this weekend will ruffle our | :44:14. | :44:15. |