03/03/2016 Victoria Derbyshire

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A generation of children are plagued by loneliness and low self-esteem

because of the pressures of modern life, according to the charity

It says more young people are getting in touch than ever

before with social media, cyber-bullying and the pressure

for a perfect body image amongst the biggest problems.

Jamie, Naomi, Charlie, Cameron. Thank you all for joining us.

Let's talk about this now with Jamie, he's 17 and was bullied

What is your disability? My ankles twist and it made me walk funny,

people used that as a picking point to bully and torment me and, in the

end, it really grinds down on you and gets to the point where you

don't want to be in school or around people. It really does affect you

growing up a lot. Describe what it's like when you say it grinds down on

you. Did you try to ignore it, did you retaliate? It's different for

everybody. For me personally, I tried to ignore it. But it's very

difficult to ignore. It's very tricky to try to deal with it at

times. Cameron, what have the issues been for you? Trying to get a grip

of how I think people think of me. So I've had times where I've thought

the worst of what people may be thinking and that's also brought me

down so the point that I've not really enabled to go out or go to

school, see people, face people. That's what brought know the stage

of feeling lonely and down. It kind of made me anxious of going out and

seeing people because it was on my mind what they would be saying

behind my back or about me. What was it that made you start thinking it

was bad, was it specific things or just a general fear that people

might not like you? It was a general fear that I thought people wouldn't

like me or think a certain way about me and it kind of just brought me

down to the point that I just couldn't think properly or clearly

and my end goal was not in sight. Naomi, you had similar concerns

about how people saw you growing up. Tell us what issues you came across?

Yes, I struggled with my body image, I didn't feel I was good enough with

exam pressures, that was really difficult and that led to me

suffering from panic attacks and anxiety attacks which led to

self-harm and then it was a downward spiral of anxiety and me feeling bad

against myself feeling that I couldn't ever reach people's

expectations. Was this all going on in your head, were you able to talk

to anybody about this? For around a year, I couldn't talk to anybody. I

didn't feel able or confident enough to tell anyone for fear of being

judged. Then once I did, I spoke to ChildLine first, that was the

turning point for me where I could start to be more open. Charlie, what

were your issues growing up? Being transgender is very difficult in

every day society at the moment. Low self-esteem mainly. But with the

help of ChildLine and external agencies helping, it's just

everything has changed and it's better than it would have been ten

years ago perhaps. Growing up is difficult enough when you are trying

to find yourself, I think all kids, everybody that's been a kid

identifies with that? Yes. At the age of 14 when hormones are

developing anyway, you were grappling other issues too? Yes. So

all of these issues were at large for you, but obviously it's the same

issues that apply to anyone? Yes. And how did you feel about that? Did

you feel isolated? Isolated. Isolated is the only thing I can say

really. That was the hard thing. Laura, you are a bit older, you are

23, you have been through the same issues kids go through. Are these

typical experiences? Yes. Definitely. I had an eating disorder

about ten years ago now. I would say my recovery part was the most the

difficult because that was the time I was scrutinised for the most time,

for my weight, what I looked like. It was hard to do things on my own

which made me back away from people and I felt like I was always been

watched which made me back away. It's difficult to build up your own

self-worth. I read something recently request - Ke spend so many

years in education yet nobody teaches us how to love oushess. That

sums things up perfectly. We have to accept ourselves for who we are. One

comment can do so much damage and that was resonant with me at the

time. And you help in schools to try to boost self-confidence. What is it

about kids, all of us, that makes a comment sometimes be a worm in

someone's mind that causes damage and others just able to shake it

off? I think it's that, we are our own worst critic and someone else

placing that judgment on you just kind of intensifies it and makes it

more real for you. I think unless you are a very self-confident person

and can find that inner strength, it's very difficult to ignore the

comments. It's difficult to be comfortable with ourselves but when

you can get to that point, it becomes a lot easier but everyone

needs to be aware of how they are treating other people because it can

have a massive impact. Is that something you all identify with?

Jamie? I agree massively with the point that we judge ourselves so

harshly sometimes because there's this image of a perfect teenager

nowadays. You have got to wear the right clothes... Why do you say

nowadays, is that because of social media? It's massively due to social

media. You see pictures on Facebook of people and they'll be wearing

expensive clothes and they'll have their hair all done up and you will

feel well, why don't I have that done, if I don't have that done I'm

not going to fit in at school and be comfortable around people. Yes.

Naomi? Yes, there's that pressure on social media that you've got to get

"likes" on Facebook, if you don't, you question yourself, what you are

doing wrong and why people don't like you. That definitely does

impact your self-esteem. You feel a bit down as well if you don't get

many likes on a photo on Facebook. I know it's so silly to feel sad about

not getting likes on Facebook, but if you post a photo that you feel

very confident about and then you get no likes, it's a bit like, well

should I take it down, what's wrong with it. Cameron, you have really

seen that element of social media where it's a way to address

lonelines sometimes but can make you feel worse as well? Yes, it's like

when you are at home or on your own in your safe space, you could be

typing anything, you could be, as my friends have said, posting pictures

of yourself that you are quite happy with, but then the problem with

making the statements that you decide to make, or saying how you

feel, or what's getting you down on the social media platforms, is that

it's not just your friends who can see it, it's a much wider audience

and an audience of people that you don't actually want to see or

wouldn't wish to see are able to access it and that's hard for you to

then go out into the world if you know that everybody's already got an

image in their mind of how you are going to act or how you feel.

Definitely. You have turned to ChildLine, all of you, for help.

What did that do to help you? ChildLine's very, very important

nowadays. It gives you more confidence. How, how does it do

that? Being able to talk to a trusted adult, being able to seek

the support that everybody needs every now and then. I'm sure you

would all agree with me that ChildLine does help and the NSPCC

will help as much as they can, if you have problems you need to talk

to a trusted adult. You help other kids as a result of they have been

through now don't you? There are workshops in schools for mental

health for the younger students sothey are more aware of it and so

that they can recognise when things aren't going quite right and that

they can seek help and talk to someone and that their friends will

understand instead of them being judged about opening up about

something that is difficult to open up about. Laura, you have grown up

as part of this generation. Do you think social media and those

pressures bring a different dynamic for kids growing up to put them

under greaterther pressure? Massively. When I was going through

what I was going through, it was only magazines, that was enough of a

trigger and I don't know how kids do it these days with Instagram and

Facebook. I got my first iPhone last year and you see five-year-olds

running around with them and it's mad. It plays an extra part and adds

a different pressure. I have never used ChildLine but there are

charities that offer similar support. It's really important

because people need somewhere they can go and feel safe and confide in

when they don't have that everywhere else. Why did you all feel the need

to go to ChildLine rather than talk to those around you. Parents will be

watching thinking, they might be worried about their children,

wanting to talk to them, is it difficult some times to open up to

those closest to you? You are both nodding, so why? For me it was more

that I felt everyone around me would automatically judge me for anything

I opened up about. Even your parents? Yes. I was scared that... I

had no reason to really but in my head it felt really real that it

would really upset them and stuff so going to ChildLine for me, it was

somewhere online and I didn't have to see anybody face-to-face so I

didn't have to see their reactions soit was a safe place for me to talk

about stuff in confidence. Jamie, you were agreeing with that? The

really horrible thing is, it's inside your head and when you get

that thought into your head, if I say somebody's going to judge me or

tell somebody else, once you have got that in your head, you don't

want to say anything about something. ChildLine empowers young

people to tell people their problems. When I went to ChildLine,

they gave me the confidence to talk to my parents about what was going

on. Do you think your parents knew you were struggling? Do you think

they were worried? I think every parent to an extent has a feeling

that something might not be right with the child, especially when

you've got this child who changes very quickly and start isolating

themselves and don't go out as much, they might not be going on the

Internet as much, it's signs like that that a parent would notice. You

never know what is going on in someone's head do you, even those

close to you. Did you find that Cameron? I did. It was also hard for

me to get a grip on the words "I need help" coming out of my mouth.

Had you wanted to say it but couldn't? Yes, I'd wanted to say to

people before that I'm not OK all the time, sometimes the smile on my

face isn't real but I think that the aspect of being able to phone

ChildLine and the confidentiality of that, it's not going to go anywhere,

they are not going to go anywhere with it until they think you are at

risk. Up until that point when you did speak out, all bit to somebody

at the end of a phoneline, how would the outside world have seen you do

you think? Were you a close person, were people saying "are you OK? "? I

don't think people were asking me generally, actually asking me, are

you all right, that sort of thing, and I think the thing for me was

that I tried to portray a happy person and I think sometimes that's

what brought me down was that I was trying be happy, I was trying to

tell the world I was hopely but deep down that's not what was in my

brain, that's not what I was thinking.

Charlie, because you are transgender and were obviously going through a

process with that, were you therefore getting help and speaking

to people in a way that perhaps the others weren't because it wasn't

such an Overt thing that people were aware of? Yes, not particularly. The

only personal I spoke to in terms of professionals is my GP, the GP was,

well I was was referred on to mental Health Services. That is the only

thing that helped me, the only professional body that helped me,

that I was able to speak my own mind with. Once you did all start to

speak, what difference did that make to you? Huge. Huge. Even now doing

this sort of thing for me is very therapeutic and the more you talk

about it and help others with it, it makes you a lot stronger. It's

really important and every time you do it you get a new perspective and

it's a really good thing to do. Especially when you have got

support. Jamie, I know that the moment for you that actually led to

you feeling like you wanted to talk was you went to see the musical

Wicked, tell us why that was a moment for you?

It is a show about a character who is judged so harshly on her looks,

and I think it resonates with every single young person who might have a

difference that they don't feel is something they should be confident

about, but this character was so confident about being green, there

is a massive difference, you don't see people who are green walking

down the street! But she was so confident with it and I think it

resonates with every single person, because if you have got a difference

you should be confident about it, rather than being pushed down about

it, you shouldn't feel pressure to hide the differences. So, for you,

that moment when you saw Elphaba in Wicked, it took that accord? We told

Rachel Tucker, who played Elphaba, the impact that it had a new, that

going to the theatre had, and how it was a moment when you thought, I am

going to be proud of myself. She was so moved that she recorded a message

for you to hear. Hey Jamie, it's Rachel Tucker here,

shouting out with lots of love I'm over here playing Elphaba,

and I hear you have a massive connection with Wicked,

and especially Elphaba Listen, chin up, Jimmy -

thanks for sharing your very lovely and important

story to us all. Chin up, lots of love

from New York, and take care. She wanted to do it because she

understood the impact on you, and the impact that you coming in and

talking will have on people at home. One tweet, children have two

conformed to societal norms without a voice. Another, watching brave

teams on the show. Another, the young people talking about isolation

shows how they have not given into low esteem. Thank you so much for

coming in, and thank you for your comments. Get in touch, let us know

what your thoughts are on all of that.

We're looking at the day-to-day things that would affect us

if we decide to leave the EU, the price

of flights, food and phone calls, for example.

But also what happens to British ex-pats living abroad

Send your questions in and we'll see if our experts can answer them.

And internet trolls who set up fake social media profiles to post

damaging or embarrassing material could face criminal charges.

We'll be speaking to the Director of Public Prosecutions,

Alison Saunders, on how the law is changing.

A French minister says migrants could be allowed to travel unchecked

to the UK if Britain chooses to leave the European Union.

It's likely to be raised at a meeting today between

David Cameron and the French president.

Leave campaigners say the warning is ludicrous and not backed up

The German car manufacturer BMW has emailed its UK staff to highlight

what it sees as the risks of a British exit.

Vote Leave campaigners dismiss it as "scare-mongering".

Internet trolls who create fake social media profiles could find

themselves in court under proposed guidelines for prosecutors

The Crown Prosecution Service says adults should be charged if they use

fake social media IDs to harass others.

North Korea has launched several short-range missiles into the sea.

It came hours after the UN announced tough sanctions against the country.

The measures were passed in response to Pyongyang's recent nuclear tests.

The killers of Bristol teenager Becky Watts were granted more

than ?400,000 in legal aid, according to a Freedom

Nathan Matthews was jailed for life and his girlfriend Shauna Hoare

Let's catch up with all the sport now and join Katherine Downes.

Quite a night in the Premier League? Yes, quite unlike the Leicester City

and they were not even playing, but their nearest rivals in the race for

the title, Tottenham, Arsenal, and Manchester City, or lost, so more

breathing space for Leicester at the top of the table. We will bring you

up-to-date with those results. We will also remember a legend of New

Zealand Cricket, Martin Crowe, who died of cancer at the age of 53,

arguably the country's best batsman, tribute across the world of cricket

today for him, we will look back at his life and career. Also the latest

on the world track cycling Championships, taking based in

London, Sir Bradley Wiggins has been in action. And we will be hearing

from Andy Murray as Britain gets ready to defend the Davis Cup tie

against Japan. He has been speaking to the BBC and unsurprisingly the

subject of his interview was mainly his new baby daughter, Sophia. He

says it doesn't matter whether or not he wins another grand slam now

because he has got something more important in his life, but he does

want to make her proud both on and off the court. It is a lovely

interview, tune in for that at 10am. But obviously we hope he keeps on

winning as well! If trying to work out whether you'll

be better off in or out of the EU has left you baffled,

then it's no surprise. Almost every day we're getting

completely contradictory claims from those on either side

of the argument about everything from the price of food to the cost

of flights and how much you'll pay Our political guru Norman Smith

is here to help us Go one, then!

The fingers, we spend a lot of time talking about the issues, about

immigration, the single market, the city. But what will probably shape

these opinions is the bread-and-butter issues, the daily

household budgets. This is my take on how leaving or staying in the EU

will affect some of the key bills that we face. The most important for

many people will be jobs, because if you don't have a job, financially

speaking, you are in trouble. Those who want us to stay in said 3

million jobs are tied up in the EU, why put that at risk? We just heard

on the news the boss of BMW writing to staff in the UK saying, be

careful about this. Those who want to get out say, if we left, we would

get rid of a lot of unnecessary regulation, we would become an

Anglo-Saxon tiger, we could create more jobs. Secondary, I suppose,

importantly to many people will be the weekly food shop, will the

build-up of boiled down? The Government says if we leave the EU

we will face tariffs to trade with them which will drive up food bills,

and these are big tariffs. Yesterday they said dairy products could face

a 36% tariff, confectionery up by 32%, W up by 20% -- W up by 20%.

Those who want to get out say food bowls will go down by 7% a week

because we won't have to bother with the Common Agricultural Policy,

which they say keep food prices artificially high.

Cheap flights, we all enjoy them these days. The boss of easyJet says

if we get out then flying will once again be reserved for an elite bit

of it will be harder to negotiate a deal to 27 different countries. But

her rival, the boss of Ryanair, says, no, that is not true, there

will be no airfare Armageddon, because little European towns don't

want to lose out on British tourists going there.

Lastly, mortgages, which are probably everyone's begins bill.

Here, the Government say, look what happened when this campaign started.

The pound fell straightaway to a seven-year low. In other words, the

city will get the BG if we pull out, which means interest rates go up,

which means mortgages go up -- the city will get the jitters. Those who

want out say we don't want to be anywhere near the uber zone, near

the risk of Greece spreading chaos to us, far better to be out -- near

the eurozone. Those are some of the basic bread-and-butter issues, there

are many more, pensions, petrol, there are a lot, but in a funny way

that maybe what shapes how people vote.

You have gone through a lot of issues there, let's try to answer

some of the questions being raised. We can speak now to Mark Tanzer,

who runs the Association of British Travel Agents,

Rachel Rickard Straus, who's personal finance editor

at This Is Money website, and Teni Shahiean,

an immigration lawyer. Thank you all for coming in. Mark,

the issue of flights, what is likely to happen to the cost of flights if

we were to leave goes macro there are huge uncertainties as you have

just said but buried in the forecast are the risks that they could go up.

The most immediate risk is the value of the pound, the fact that airlines

by their fuel in dollars and therefore when they buy forward

Google it would be more expensive, feeding through to customers

eventually if the pound stays where it is. Whether that is because of

the referendum, how long ago last, nobody knows. What about wide issues

like free European airspace? Is that something that could have an impact?

I think it would. We have become used to a World Cup relatively

low-cost airfares, which came about because of the opening of the

European airfare market will stop until 1992, each country treated

their airspace as their own domain, they could say what the prices would

be, largely to protect their national carriers. Once that went,

competition came in, costs came down and it opened of destinations that

people could never have been two previously, which is important not

just for holiday-makers but for people who have bought homes as

well. If we were not in the EU, could we negotiate similar rights?

It is a big unknown. But potentially could see the cost of air fare rise

if we could not get free access. What a big unknown. But potentially

could see the cost of airfare rise if we could not get free access.

What about things like insurance? At the moment we have access to the

European health-insurance card, not a very elegant name, that it means

you can get access to medical treatment if you are in the EU. It

is not the same as travel insurance, it doesn't cover private cover all

bring in new home after an accident but it is an important asset to

have. If we were not there, you might have to pay for that

assistance in an EU country, and also the cost of travel insurance

would go up because a lot of travel insurer said if you have the EHIC

then you do not have to pay the excess because the early costs would

be covered by that insurance. Rachel, talk to us about personal

finance, roaming charges first of all? For so many years now we have

had these horror stories about shock bills when people go abroad and use

their phones, people downloading one episode of the apprentice and it

costs hundreds of pounds, or calling home and paying ?50 to check on the

cat! This is due to end now, so in April these will be cut for everyone

across Europe, 5% is the most we will be charged -- 5 cents is the

most will be charged for a minute phone call, too sensible text

message, and by June it will be gone completely. You will be able to call

anywhere the EU and if you are on a phone plan it will be included in

your minutes, which is brilliant. What will happen when we are out is

very unclear. The reason why we are having all of these changes is down

to EU directives. It is not the goodness of the phone companies

deciding to give us lower bills, it is the EU saying this is what has to

happen. I am not saying it has been a perfect process, it has taken

years to get a consensus across the EU to finally get these benefits for

EU citizens. So potentially it could go overnight, but potentially maybe

not? Would consumers take that? Phone companies are competing for

business between each other, so if they see that this is the key issue

for consumers, then arguably they wouldn't remove it overnight.

Certainly the changes that have come in already -- that will come in this

year in April, will they backtrack? I'm not sure. But the changes due to

come in in 2017, after the vote, are still up for grabs. What about the

issues of subsidies and tariffs, would bills go up or down? It

absolutely depends on the agreements that we come up with for the

tariffs, that is one issue. The other issue is the value of

sterling. When you look around the supermarket at the type of products

that we buy, a lot of them will say, made in Britain, grown in the UK,

but the majority are grown abroad. What happens is, when we are buying

products from abroad, we are not buying them in pounds, we buy them

in euros, dollars, whichever currency is in the country where we

are buying, and we sell in sterling. If the value of the pound continues

to fall, and it looks like that is a realistic proposition, certainly in

the run-up because there is such uncertainty about what will happen

over the next few months, and people get worried about the state of the

UK economy, so if we see a fall in the value of the pound then it just

gets more expensive for retailers to buy food from abroad, and of course

it gets passed on to us as consumers. Teni, immigration, EU

citizens living here, UK citizens living elsewhere in Europe, what

would happen? It is a big question, we are not entirely sure and it

would depend on what agreement comes up if we leave Europe. It wouldn't

be an overnight thing that people would have to suddenly upped sticks?

I don't think it would be an overnight thing, it would take some

time to negotiate on what terms they are going to come out of Europe, and

during that time I think they would remain as what the legislation

currently is, so this is all a big question, we are not sure exactly

what is going to happen after that. So you would expect a status is to

stay the same, so UK citizens living elsewhere in the EU would be able to

stay but others wouldn't? How long would that take to fresh out? Under

the treaty it is two years minimum for them to negotiate some sort of

agreement. Whether it will take two years or a longer time is not clear.

I guess one of the things that striketh strikes me is the

uncertainty. It will affect Brits going to live and work abroad

because they won't quite know whether they are going to be

guaranteed access to certain benefits and employment rights and

so on. There would be that slight unease about, do they really want to

take the risk of, I don't know, working in France, Germany or

whenever, when everything is so fluid. So maybe it will actually

impact on the readiness of people from here to go and work in the rest

of Europe? Certainly, it's the complete unknown. We have had a very

large number of applications from Europeans who're living and working

here to apply for permanent residency and British citizenship,

so the Home Office nationality department has had a massive up

surge in their applications and it's all in the hope that they can get

the citizenship and not have any worries in the long run of whether

they can vote in the referendum. To round things up, Norman, the

French Finance Minister's been talking about the potential impact

on immigration and trade if the UK were to leave. It will be music to

the ears of the remain campaign? Downing Street will be absolutely

delighted. The French Finance Minister is saying in effect if we

leave, the current deal whereby the British border is effectively

policed along Calais and the French coast, so we have the Jungle in

France, that will be up for grabs and quite possibly, as David

Cameron's previously suggested, we could find camps on the south coast

of the UK. More than that, he's questioned about whether we'll get

access to the single markets, all the things that David Cameron's

said. One thing that struck me listening to everyone is, so much is

going to depend on "the deal" and the deals that are negotiated. If we

leave, we may get better deals, if we stay, we may get worse deals. The

French may decide not to police the border any more if we leave, they

might say, you can deal with it. On the other hand, they may take the

view that if they allow refugees and migrants to travel through, France

will become much more of a magnet for migrants and refugees who'll

want to get to Britain, so rather than having 4,000 people in Calais,

you could end up with tens of thousands. There's a lot of

political self-calculation and when you try to answer all the questions,

so much depends on the nature of those eye Bam-to-eye ball deals that

will have to be done if we pull out. -- eye ball to eye ball. Thank you

all very much. Lots of you getting in touch on the conversation that we

were having about the difficulties for teenagers growing up and the

angst arriving, not least out of the pressures from social media. Rachel

texted to say, my daughter had more than 1,000 friends on Facebook but

actually only had six true friends. Kids ought to consider why they have

to be in competition online to have the most friends and be careful

about what they post. James tweeted to say, I'm 22 and have experienced

similar issues growing up. I deleted all my social media accounts and

have never been happier. Bob tweeted to say the young folk that by their

difference tell the young folk that by their difference they are unique,

same is boring. Celebrate the positive, he says. Caton, how they

are, issing in to do with anyone else, they are showing themselveses

to be caring big hearted young people, no need to care what others

think of them, be proud to be beautiful, you've done it.

He's best known for box office hits such as Pretty Woman

and American Gigolo, but for his latest film Richard Gere

poses as a down-and-out on the streets of New York

to highlight the plight of homelessness.

Cameras were hidden from public view during the filming

of Time Out Of Mind, and the Hollywood actor sat

on street corners begging for up to 45 minutes at a time

He's a long time campaigner against homelessness and 10%

of the film's UK profits are being donated to the charities

Mr Gere is in London meeting with young homeless people,

and he spoke to us about why he feels so passionately

about the issue and shared his thoughts on the American

Are you and have you been addicted to any legal or illegal substances?

How about family, have you got family?

# For you, I've lived, for you I will die.

Well, here you go, turn around on these kids, these are two

I'm Brooke Morgan, vice chair of Centerpoint Parliament.

And she has no sense of herself at all.

Let me stop you there, I want to be a director!

You're sick in the head, you're not well, you don't

like yourself, you're depressed, you don't believe in yourself,

so what is society supposed to do with you?

The movie is quite a gentle portrayal of homelessness,

I thought, in that your character is a gentle man, who is disconnected

from society, and grappling with that issue of someone

Yes, I mean, the choice was early on, and I've been involved with this

thing, developing it, for 12 years, and I didn't want to sensationalise

this at all, I didn't think that was helpful.

And I don't even think it was the best way of making this

movie, and the choice was made not to play a cliche of a character

like this, who is flamboyantly mentally ill, or acting out.

I thought it was much more interesting to play someone

It's my bed, it's my bed, they gave it to me,

What's the matter, are you afraid of me, newbie?

There is something strangely monk-like about this character.

He gets frustrated, like we all do, but this is not someone who is angry

at the world, angry at God, he's someone who is slightly out

of time, out of time and space, who is looking,

whether he could articulate it or not, to penetrate an existential

crisis that, basically, we all have, it's lurking there for all of us.

Have you had existential crises?

There's four of us in this room here, right now,

But maybe the cameraman has not had...

Of course, everyone has asked the question, who am I,

what am I, why any of this, what is reality?

And the way we articulate that in the movie is a question of identity.

He has to have papers that prove if he even exists.

It can be two recent utility bills with your name and address.

I don't have an address, I'm really sorry.

At the moment, I do not have a home, at the moment.

You need a letter from a government agency, dated within

the last six months - taxes, social security...

But do you feel like you connected with that sense of somebody

being invisible when you were actually filming the movie?

Because you did it on long lenses, you, Richard Gere, a man

who would presumably normally walk down the street and people

I was really anxious about it, I didn't know if it would work,

and I was producing the movie, I didn't know, I thought

we would get ten or 15 seconds before I was recognised, but I said,

look, I think we can live with that, if we can get ten or 15 seconds

The first shot we did, which is actually in the movie,

towards the end of the movie, I came out to Astor Place,

the cameras were hidden, as they were for the entire movie,

so nobody saw that, and we did a 45 minute shot of me standing

in New York City, in a very busy place, and no one recognised me.

I don't think there is any of us who could not feel the possibility

of letting go, and everything could fall apart, that sense

of the fragility of our reality structure, and how paper-thin our

I'm homeless, I don't have a home, I've got no home, I'm homeless!

They think we're clowns, we're cartoons!

OK, I'm a clown now, OK, I'm a cartoon.

I know that you have donated to the Hillary Clinton campaign...

Well, it's out there, I do my research!

It's now looking like it is going to be a contest probably

between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump, although

I wondered what your perspective is on Donald Trump,

because there was a case last year when a homeless guy was attacked

in Boston, by two men who said that they were inspired

to attack him because of the words Donald Trump had been

I wondered what you might think of the way he has

It is hard to imagine someone like that being president

of the United States, who is totally ill-equipped on every

To be in a position of authority and inspiration for people.

So I don't think it's going to happen, and it is kind

of like everyone's nightmare that it might happen, but we

Brooke Morgan, you are on the Centerpoint Parliament.

Centerpoint obviously does a huge amount for the homeless,

thousands of people living homeless on the streets of London.

I think I am just the voice of people who don't really

So you had issues at home, and ended up moving out of the home?

Yes, initially to my grandmother's house, and then that became really

unstable, because the help I wanted was from my mum,

But it got to a stage where I just wasn't talking, wasn't eating,

Obviously, a lot of kids end up living on the streets.

You know friends who have ended up in that situation, don't you?

Yes, very rough, places like this, even, and buses, tubes,

And you are staying in a shelter right now?

So are the other people staying there, have they come from,

obviously, all sorts of environments?

A few of them, but I know the vast majority of them

I feel really bad, on my part, because there is not really a lot

But with raising awareness, I think we can conquer

Coming up, Andy Murray tablings to BBC Sport about being a father ahead

of Britain beginning its defence of the Davis Cup. -- talks to BBC

Sport. It's been a cold start to the day.

We have some beautiful pictures from our weather-watchers to show you

this morning. Lovely sun rise in Staffordshire.

We have a beautiful start to the day here in Devon. Look at the lovely

colours. This is an interesting one as well from Wiltshire, beautiful

again, sun rise, a rainbow going on there as well. Lovely clear skies in

Northamptonshire this morning. Different weather compared to

yesterday and we still do have some lying snow this morning across

County Durham, as you can see there. But lovely blue skies. The weather

is quieter today compared to yesterday. Fewer showers, lighter

winds, and although the temperatures are similar in value, because of the

lighter winds, it won't feel as cold as it did yesterday.

We have some scattered showers, a line of showers drifting towards

Wales and the Midlands, the Pennines, eastern Scotland through

the day, and later on you can see the next line of rain coming our way

in from the West. Through the afternoon it will fringe in across

the Isles of Scilly and Cornwall, the cloud will build a header that

committee could see the odd shower but a game back into the sunny

skies. Sunshine the parts of Wales, thicker cloud around Cardigan Bay

with one or two showers, the rain moving across Northern Ireland,

slower than we thought this morning. For much of Scotland it will be a

dry day, could catch the odd shower in the east through the afternoon,

as you could across parts of north-east England. You will be

unlucky to catch one in north-west England, but we will see them across

the Midlands, not all of us catching one, and a lovely afternoon across

East Anglia and the south-east. From the Midlands down to the Isle of

Wight, we could see the odd shower. Over the front in the West will

continue to drift eastwards into tomorrow, there it is, the rain will

be heavy and persistent at times, and as it engages with colder

conditions overnight, it will readily fall as snow, especially on

higher ground, but we could see some of that at lower levels across the

North Midlands, the Pennines and northern England, south-west

Scotland, Northern Ireland and North Wales as well. But it is just a risk

of that snow at low levels at this stage. However, better to be aware

of it, and it may have ramifications for your journey first thing

tomorrow morning. As we go through the rest of the day, you can see

that we have got this cloud, it is a weather front producing the rain and

also the snow. As temperatures rise through the course of the day, the

snow level will as well further into the hills, you can see it coming

across Wales. I had fact, some sunshine, behind it a mixture of

sunshine and showers, some of the showers will be wintry in nature. As

we head into Saturday, a northerly or north-easterly wind will it feel

cold, we will eventually lose the rain from the south-east, then a day

of sunshine and showers, some of the showers wintry again, and into

Sunday similar in the sense that it will be called within northerly

wind, but a lot of dry weather or until later in the day when we see

the next frontal system coming in from the West.

Hello, it's Thursday, it's 10am, I'm Joanna Gosling -

welcome to the programme if you've just joined us.

Internet trolls who create fake social media profiles could end up

If they use it to harrass or put out images that can cause alarm

or distress to the victim, those are the sort of cases we can

Would migrants in Calais be allowed to travel and checked to Britain if

we voted to leave the EU? That is what one senior French politician is

saying, but is it an empty threat? And the survival story that inspired

a Hollywood blockbuster - we have the first UK interview

with one of the survivors of a plane crash in the Andes 40 years ago

who had to eat his friends' dead A French minister says migrants

could be allowed to travel unchecked to the UK if Britain chooses

to leave the European Union. Leave campaigners say the warning

is ludicrous and not backed up Migration will be discussed today by

David Cameron and the French president. The president of the

European Council, Donald Tusk, has made a wrecked appeal to economic

migrants, telling them, do not come to Europe -- made a direct appeal.

Appeal to all illegal social economic migrants, wherever you are

from, do not come to Europe. Do not believe the smugglers. Do not risk

your lives and your money, it is all for nothing. Grease and any other

European country will no longer be a transit country. The Schengen rules

will enter into force again. The German car manufacturer BMW has

emailed its UK staff to highlight what it sees as the risks

to the company from Britain BMW, which owns Mini

and Rolls-Royce Motor Cars, says a British exit would mean

higher costs and prices, Vote Leave campaigners dismiss it

as "scare-mongering". Turkish police in Istanbul have

surrounded a building where two women who attacked a police

headquarters are thought The authorities say the pair

they threw grenades and opened fire at a riot police HQ centre, but

no-one was wounded. Internet trolls who create fake

social media profiles could find themselves in court under proposed

guidelines for prosecutors The Crown Prosecution Service says

adults should be charged if they use fake social media IDs

to harass others. North Korea has launched several

short-range missiles into the sea. It came hours after the UN announced

tough sanctions against the country. The measures were passed in response

to Pyongyang's recent nuclear tests. The killers of Bristol teenager

Becky Watts were granted more than ?400,000 in legal aid,

according to a Freedom Nathan Matthews was jailed for life

and his girlfriend Shauna Hoare Scientists are warning

about the dangers of a new plant disease which could be more

devastating than ash dieback. The bacteria has caused severe

damage to plants and trees in the US and southern Europe,

and could soon arrive in the UK. Let's catch up with all the sport

now and join Katherine Downes. The surprises in the Premier League

title race just keep The biggest winners

in the Premier League last night were Leicester -

and they weren't even playing. Their three main title rivals,

Tottenham, Arsenal and Manchester City, were all beaten,

leaving Leicester three points clear Spurs could have been top

of the table this morning. Chasing their first title in more

than half a century, Third-place Arsenal

lost 2-1 to Swansea. They were booed off

by fans at the Emirates. And Manchester City's 13-year wait

for a win at Anfield goes on. Sometimes you have a bad night like

today and it is difficult to play. But we need to be positive, we need

to be positive, improved. I believe we were really unlucky in our

finishing, really unlucky as well with some decisions today, and on

top of that we had two macro shots on target in the whole game. If you

ask me, the team was not recovered from the last week, it was an

intensive week, Champions League away, coming back on Thursday at

4am, after that 120 minutes in the final of the Capital One Cup.

One of New Zealand's greatest cricketers, Martin Crowe,

He scored 17 centuries and over 5400 runs.

Crowe captained New Zealand in 16 tests and was widely regarded

He was named one of Wisden's Cricketers of the Year in 1985

and was player of the tournament in the 1992 World Cup.

There was a good start for Great Britain and Sir Bradley

Wiggins in the men's team pursuit on day one

of the World Track Cycling Championships in London.

They qualified fastest, which means they'll ride off this

afternoon against Italy, who were fourth

fastest, for a place in tonight's final.

There'll be live coverage of that race, and the whole afternoon's

Andy Murray says he's motivated to succeed on court

in order to make his new baby daughter proud.

The tennis world number two became a father three weeks ago.

Speaking ahead of tomorrow's first round Davis Cup tie against Japan,

he says he's adjusting to life as a parent.

I always wanted to become a parent, and it's been everything that I've

imagined so far. It's been great, and I said the other day, obviously,

I want to try to be a good dad, the best that I can be, and when she

grows up I would also like her to be proud of her death as well, so I'll

be trying my best to do that on and off the court -- to be proud of her

dad as well. How's this as a way

to make your mark? An 11-year-old boy stole the show

at the opening of a new golf course co-designed by Tiger Woods

when he hit a hole in one. South Texas PGA junior

Taylor Crozier stepped up to the first tee at The Playgrounds

at Bluejack National, and knocked in the inaugural shot

on the 81-yard par 3, sending the crowd -

and Woods - wild. Tiger Woods himself could do with a

bit of that form, out injured at the moment, but a hole in one from that

youngster, great stuff. Hello, thank you for

joining us this morning. Welcome to the programme

if you've just joined us - we're on BBC Two and the BBC

News Channel until 11am. Thanks for all your comments

following our discussion about the increase in children

and young people feeling Ellie has e-mailed to say, by card

these teenagers come off social media? Surely they can live without

it. This is what their peers, parents and teachers should

encourage kids to wean themselves off social media.

A tweet, people who write nasty things are nasty people, just

remember you are good, they are not. You can get in touch

in the usual ways - If you text, you will be charged

at the standard network rate. Wherever you are you can

watch our programme online - via the BBC News app or our website,

bbc.co.uk/victoria. Setting up a fake social media

profile could result in criminal charges according to new guidance

being considered for prosecutors. The Crown Prosecution Service

believes the change will allow tougher action against those

who pose as someone else online with the purpose of threatening

or harassing others. This is the latest in a series

of changes to guidelines for prosecutors, with the aim

of keeping them up-to-date A little earlier this morning

I spoke to Alison Saunders, So adults should be charged

in future if they use fake social media IDs to harass someone

or to cause them harm. The guidance that we've just

introduced for consultation says that the prosecutors really must

have more awareness of what might go on on the internet, in cases

where people use and set up false addresses, false e-mail

identities or Facebook pages If they use that for

criminal offences, then that means we can

prosecute them. So if they use it to harass people,

if they use it to, perhaps... We have seen cases where they put

out online images, which might cause harassment or alarm or distress

to the victims, those are the sorts of cases that we can look at now,

and use the legislation So has there been

a loophole until now? The guidelines are really

about different ways in which criminality is committed,

making sure that prosecutors are aware that they should be

looking at both online There are new offences,

so the revenge pornography offence, that very much allows us to use

the evidence from the internet. Likewise, in domestic abuse,

coercive and controlling behaviour, So can you give us some examples

of cases where this hasn't been a factor, where it probably should

have done, or could have been? We have had cases where people have

set up false identities They have pretended, for example,

that they were an au pair, in one case, and befriended other

women on the internet, then when they have arrived to meet,

having been persuaded to do so by the au pair,

discovered it was a man. He persuaded them to get

into the car, by saying he was their Facebook friend's

friend, and then drove them So lots of examples where people

have been groomed online, and then when they've met people,

and they were not who Likewise, we've had people who set

up false identities in order to post pictures of,

normally, ex-partners, in order to cause them

distress and alarm as well, embarrassment with their friends

and family and work colleagues. In the first example you give,

if somebody is ultimately raped, then there is a clear crime

there that can be prosecuted anyway. So why does this bring an added

element to a prosecution in a case This brings an added element,

because it may be that they don't get to that end state,

so we can still have If it is harassment,

we can prosecute them for harassment So it is about prosecutors really

being aware of all the different ways in which offending

might be committed. In some cases, it will just be

the pure internet conduct that we are able to use,

and of course what it does is gives us very good evidence,

because there is a footprint left on the internet, which we

can use as evidence. And what sort of sentences

could be used in cases It very much depends

on the type of offending, so in some of the cases

where we have seen revenge pornography, people

have gone to prison. In other cases where we have

seen harassment, again, it depends on the severity of that,

but it could be an imprisonable offence, so this is serious conduct

that we are talking about. The reason, obviously,

that people set up fake social media identities is so that people

don't know who they are. What you are talking about is,

at the end, when someone has been caught and they are prosecuted,

are you confident that there are the resources in place

to actually get to that stage? Yes, the investigators,

the police have got trained specialists that can work

with internet companies We can use that evidence,

and sometimes people use it not so much to hide their identity,

but to draw people to their website. So if I pretend to be you,

then there would be more people that would look at your Facebook page

or Twitter account than mine. And you can hijack it by using it

to post pictures that might cause You've said that children should

rarely be prosecuted, because of their lack

of adult judgment. How would you define the age

from which somebody should certainly be prosecuted, an age

where perhaps they shouldn't be, and also how clear is

the guidance in that area? The Code tells the prosecutors to

look at the individual and their maturity, exactly how much they knew

that they were doing, so, for example, if you have got a very

mature 12-year-old, that might be very different from an immature

15-year-old, so it really does depend on the individual case.

And what sort of sentences could be used in cases

It very much depends on the type of offending,

so in some of the cases where we have seen revenge

pornography, people have gone to prison.

In other cases where we have seen harassment, again,

it depends on the severity of that, but it could be an imprisonable

offence, so this is serious conduct that we are talking about.

The reason, obviously, that people set up fake social media

identities is so that people don't know who they are.

What you are talking about is, at the end, when someone has been

caught and they are prosecuted, are you confident that there

are the resources in place to actually get to that stage?

Yes, the investigators, the police have got trained

specialists that can work with internet companies

We can use that evidence, and sometimes people use it not

so much to hide their identity, but to draw people to their website.

So if I pretend to be you, then there would be more people that

would look at your Facebook page or Twitter account than mine.

And you can hijack it by using it to post pictures that might cause

You've said that children should rarely be prosecuted,

because of their lack of adult judgment.

I think sometimes people don't recognise what they do online is an

offence because it's so quick and immediate.

You perhaps don't know, so perhaps this will deter people. I want to

ask you about the impact of the criminal justice system on victims

because it's a subject often discussed, victims say they feel

they are treated as criminals themselves when they have to go

through that process. Yesterday, we had the case of Adam Johnson and the

victim in that case has said that she's gone through the worst year of

her life, she always felt people wouldn't believe her, people didn't

believe her, she then goes through a trial where the defence case is that

he is a man who should be believed and she is lying. Is that an

inevitable part of a criminal prosecution or are there ways that

the system could be changed to make things a bit easier for victims,

taking into account the sensitivities?

Certainly there are ways in which we have tried to change

the system to make it easier for victims.

So I issued a guidance for prosecutors late last year,

and we have had some pilots going on about talking to victims

and witnesses before they give evidence, to make sure

that they understand what might happen, put them at their ease

as much as we possibly can, and making sure that prosecutors

are very aware that victims don't want to be in that situation.

So they haven't chosen to be in the criminal justice system,

they are there because of something that has happened to them,

and making sure that we are as empathetic as possible.

There are rules in the court room, it is an adversarial system,

so it is the defence's right to be able to challenge the evidence,

but there are now many more ways in which judges intervene to make

sure that the experience is not as bad as it could be,

so what we used to see years ago, haranguing cross-examination that

went on for days on end, that actually no longer happens.

The judges have the ability to, and do, control

the cross-examination to try and make it as easy as it possibly

But the trial process is questioning their evidence

and putting the defence case, so we have got lots of ways

in which we can help victims through that, special measures,

they can go behind screens, or from a remote video link,

talk to the applicant beforehand, but at the end of the day

Talk to the advocate beforehand, but at the end of the day, it's the

defence's right to challenge the defendants.

New guidance being considered for prosecutors. Let's talk more about

that with Ellie Flynn, a victim of cat fishing. Her name and photograph

were stolen by someone and used to set up fake profiles on dating and

social media sites. Thanks for joining us. Tell us what happened?

It started years ago when we were at school and I noticed that there was

a fake profile starting up using photographs of my friends and I and

it just went on for years and years and developed on different social

media accounts. How did you realise your pictures were being used?

Someone messaged me on Facebook saying, there's an account using

your photos and I received a number of messages going back years ago

saying either accusing me of being a fake profile and being someone that

they knew or saying someone's using your photos, so it was a mixture of

the two that flagged them up. What was being done with your photos?

They were just posted on to Facebook accounts, MySpace accounts, more

recently Instagram accounts, saying, with a name Ellie and the surname

was Rose, saying just, just pretending to be me. So somebody

trying to attract followers to connect with but using your picture

as the image that they were portraying to the world. I think

we've lost you unfortunately. Can you still hear us? I can still hear

you. You've come back, it's a poor connection for a moment. So it was

somebody using your image to put across an appealing image to people

that they wanted to connect with. Do you know who was behind these sites?

I have no idea. I spoke to whoever is behind it recently via one of the

fake accounts about a year ago and she said she was a girl who went to

school with me in a younger year but whether that's true, I don't know.

It didn't narrow it down. I have no idea. How did it impact on you?

Well, it was really scary and there was occasions when someone who'd

spoken to the fake account would see me in real life and it would be

someone I didn't know and they would approach me and I would be like,

sorry I don't know who you are, and then it was just really strange,

they'd perhaps either be rude because they thought I was lying or

it makes you realise the Internet's not as big as you think it is, that

these people, you can bump into them in real life and it's really scary.

Did you do anything to try to get the sites taken down? Did you speak

to people? Yes, we spoke to people who told us to block them, Facebook

removed them and whoever was behind it would set up a new account with

the photos again and block us so that we weren't able to find them. I

also spoke to a local police officer, going back probably six

years ago, who took down notes but wasn't really able to do anything. I

spoke to a lawyer more recently who said that they were not sure whether

there was any real legislation on what you can do about it, so... So

now there is this change in guidelines that the Crown

Prosecution Service is talking about that could see people prosecuted for

setting up fake social media accounts. What do you think about

that? Yes, I think that's a really good thing. I think even if it just

works as a deterrent, stopping people from setting up the accounts

in the first place, and then also when it's, specially a profile

that's gone on for a long period of time or something that's become

really scary for whoever photos they have used, that something can be

done to get them removed and find out whoever is behind it and make

them responsible. Thank you very much, Ellie.

Coming up, what is it like to live in Raqqa?

Still to come before 11: A warning from France as a Government minister

suggest migrants could be allowed to cross the Channel if the UK

We'll have the latest on the migrant crisis.

A French government minister is warning his country could allow

migrants to travel unchecked to the UK, if Britain votes to leave

Emmanuel Macron said an exit vote in the June referendum could end

a deal allowing Britain to vet new arrivals on French territory.

The comments come as David Cameron prepares to meet the French

President Francois Hollande to discuss the migrant

The Conservative MP Bernard Jenkin, is dismissing the idea

Surprise surprise, we pay a great deal of money into the EU and it

subsidises a great deal of French farming.

Surprise surprise, they don't want us to leave the EU.

But this is a choice for the British people,

not for the French government, and actually we're being asked

to believe all sorts of ludicrous things.

Our correspondent Anna Holligan is in Calais.

Anna, explain more about what it might mean if Britain leave the EU?

We are in the heart of the Jungle in Calais. David Cameron has warned if

Britain were to leave the EU, all of this, the 4,000 people or so camped

out here could move over to Dover. The comments on the front-page of

the Financial Times this morning from the French Economy Minister

appear to have backed up those claims. He says that, if Britain

votes in favour of Brexit, it could bring an end to this agreement which

allows Britain to conduct a border control on the French side of the

channel. So these will be encouraging words for David Cameron

ahead of these talks taking place here in France.

Thank you very much. We'll have the first UK interview

with one of the men who survived a plane crash in the Andes 40 years

ago and had to eat his friends dead Now, reporting from Syria

is so dangerous now that very few correspondents from any news

organisation go anywhere near so-called Islamic

State controlled areas. But there are a number of activist

groups which manage to smuggle information to the outside world

at huge risk to their own lives. One activist based in Raqqa,

the capital of the so-called Islamic State controlled territory,

has been keeping a series of diaries for the Today programme

on Radio 4 which we've been We've changed names and some details

and had his words are spoken for him We thought we'd finished our

compulsory sharia course, but then we heard we would still

have to attend night classes So too did many shop owners; this

is why so many of Raqqa's My friend didn't show

up for the lesson. When a Daesh guy demanded

to know where he was, We later heard that they had raided

his home, but he wasn't there. We have now finished the week-long

course and we have officially entered Islam,

as born-again Muslims. The next day I walked to work

with confident strides. A Daesh man stopped me and asked

if I had done my dawn prayers. "Yes, of course", but he clearly

thought I was lying. "Which bit of the Koran

have you read?" I was saved when a woman

who wasn't covering her eyes I carried on as quickly

as I could to the shop where I work. But things got worse when I walked

through the door. I was told that two men had come

to the shop, and asked where I was. I started to panic, and my hands

began to shake. "I don't know, but one of them

was carrying a gun." Was I going to be lashed, or sent

to fight for Daesh front line? My first thought was to run away,

but I knew they would soon I spent the whole day thinking

about the two men, and what might happen, but nobody came to get me,

and as soon as the shop closed, "What's wrong with you?",

my mother asked, "why do I kept thinking how my mother

would react if Daesh came to my home She kept asking what was worrying

me, but I wouldn't say. I didn't sleep all night,

and I don't think my In the morning, I left early,

and headed to the shop to open up. I would rather they take me away

from there than in front A tall, armed man came in,

and I thought, this is it, but he smiled and told me

not to look so worried. The news wasn't so good

about my friend. He had been sentenced to death

for missing the sharia class. Thankfully, the man in front

of me had warned him, and he had run away

before Daesh got to him. In the evening, I went to visit

Mohamed, who is nearer my We sat down together,

and I asked him if he could help me deal with the desperate

situation we are in. He told me, "live your life

without considering the present. Imagine you are walking on a rope

between two mountains, the present is the ground below,

walk straight ahead and focus only on crossing the mountain,

never look down." From now on, I will take his advice

and try to keep walking straight ahead until I reach

the other mountain. When I get there,

the present will be gone. That film was produced by the artist

and animator Scott Coello for Radio 4's Today programme -

you can watch it on their programme page, and tomorrow we will have

the final diary entry. Still to come before 11:

The incredible survival story that was turned into

a Hollywood blockbuster - we have an exclusive interview

with a survivor of a plane crash in the Andes 40 years ago who had

to eat his friends' dead A French minister says migrants

could travel unchecked from Calais to the UK if Britain

chooses to leave the EU. Leave campaigners say the warning

is ludicrous and not backed Migration will be discussed

today by David Cameron The president of the European

Council, Donald Tusk, has made a direct appeal

to economic migrants, telling them, "Do not

come to Europe." I want to appeal to all potential

illegal economic migrants. Wherever you are from. Do not come to Europe.

Do not believe the smugglers. Do not risk your lives and your money, it

is all for nothing. Grease or any other European country will no

longer be a transit country. The Schengen rules will enter into force

again. The German car manufacturer BMW has

emailed its UK staff to highlight what it sees as the risks

to the company from Britain BMW, which owns Mini

and Rolls-Royce Motor Cars, says a British exit would mean

higher costs and prices, Vote Leave campaigners dismiss it

as "scare-mongering". Turkish police have killed two

attackers who opened fire on police headquarters in Istanbul. The

attackers, both women, hid in a nearby building after throwing

grenades at a police HQ. No civilian casualties are reported.

Internet trolls who create fake social media profiles could find

themselves in court under proposed guidelines for prosecutors

The Crown Prosecution Service says adults should be charged if they use

fake social media IDs to harass others.

The Government has said it will end the iPlayer loopholes so that those

watching catch-up TV do not get away with not paying the license fee.

Let's talk more about this. At the moment you don't have to pay but it

might change? About 1 million people exploit this

iPlayer loophole, so they watch their favourite programmes on catch

up on iPlayer but don't pay the ?145.50 licence fee. It is a huge

source of frustration at the corporation, not only can they pick

and choose the shows like Sherlock Holmes or Great British Bake Off, or

East Enders, but you can watch more less live TV watch pretty much the

whole schedule of the BBC without paying a penny. I2020 it is forecast

it will cost the BBC about ?100 million a year, the equivalent of

700,000 people not paying the license fee. What can be done? The

culture secretary in a wide-ranging speech about the BBC yesterday said,

when the licence fee was invented, video on demand did not exist but

the BBC works on a basis that all who watch it pay for it, so they

will rush through legislation to close the loophole as soon as

possible, possibly as early as the summer, then it will become a

criminal offence to not pay it. The most obvious way it will work is to

have some kind of password or code, but there are complex issues, said

the BBC, such as members of the same family living in different houses,

and students, and it will reflect the way that we are watching TV now,

catching up for free. Let's catch up with all the sport

now and join Katherine Downes with good news for Leicester

fans this morning. They didn't play last night

but Leicester were certainly They stay three points clear

at the top of the Premier League. Their three main title rivals,

Tottenham, Arsenal and One of New Zealand's greatest

cricketers has died. Martin Crowe captained the side

in 16 tests and was player of the tournament at the 1992 World

Cup. He was 53 and had been

diagnosed with cancer. Andy Murray has been speaking about

fatherhood, he says he wants to make his baby daughter proud on and off

the court. Britain begin the Davis Cup events against Japan tomorrow.

It's day two of the World Track Cycling Championships in London.

It's been a good start for Great Britain and Sir Bradley

After qualifying quickest yesterday, they face Italy this afternoon

And one 11 year old stole the show with the inaugural shot

at the opening of a new golf course co-designed by Tiger Woods.

South Texas PGA junior Taylor Crozier shot a hole in one,

Survive by eating the flesh of your dead friends or die.

That was the decision faced by 19-year-old medical student

Dr Roberto Canessa when the plane that was carrying him

and his Uruguayan rugby team crashed into the Andes in 1972.

Out of the 45 people on board the flight,

12 were killed in the crash, six died in the next few days,

and 11 more perished due to the lack of food and harsh

Those who were left ate the bodies of the dead in order to have any

chance of living long enough to be rescued.

Miraculously, 16 people did survive and were found more than two months

later, after Dr Canessa and another man, Nando Parrado,

trekked across the mountains for 10 days looking for help.

40 years on, Dr Canessa is a successful cardiologist

who specializes in heart surgery on infants and unborn babies,

and he's written a book, I Had To Survive: How A Plane Crash

In The Andes Inspired My Calling To Save Lives, which has

Speaking exclusively in his first UK broadcast interview,

Dr Roberto Canessa is in our Philadelphia studio.

Thank you very much for joining us. Good morning, how are you? Very

well, it is great to have you on the programme. The book is entitled, I

Had To Survive And Will Toggle, And The First Line Is, What Is The Line

Between Life And Death? Is That Something You Are Also always aware

of? When I was lying in the mountings and I could see my dead

friends, I was aware that I was the next one in the queue, I realised

how fragile was the line between life and death. From that time on I

have been around life and death all my life and it is a way of enjoying

life more, the shore. Take us back to December 1972, you were a young

man, a privileged young man, heading off on a plane that had been

chartered to take you, friends, family, Team-Mates, to watch a rugby

match. Prior to that moment when you boarded the plane, your life was

heading in one path, and everything changed on that day? Yes, very

abruptly. We were flying over the Andes mountains, it was very cloudy

so we couldn't see the mountains, and very soon, maybe too soon, one

of the flight assistants came around and said, OK, guys, put on the seat

belts, we are going to cross some clouds and the plane is going to

shake. It did begin shaking, we began fooling around, rugby players,

and there was a lady in the front seat who said, Roberto, shut up, my

children are scared with this. At the same time someone look through

the window and said, we are flying too close to the mountains. At that

moment, the plane tried to catch altitude and just hit the mountain

and when it hit the mountain I said, Roberto, you are dead. The only

thing you can look forward to is death, so I just grabbed my seat

very, very strongly, the plane lost the tail, lost both wings and began

sliding at great speed through the side of the mountain. Some guys were

praying, saying, God, I don't want to die, I was praying the Hail Mary.

As we finished the Hail Mary, the few Cilic struck and I was thrown

with incredible force against a front wall -- the fuselage, and I

had a huge blow on my head, and as I was thinking I couldn't believe the

plane had stopped and I was seeing my legs were there, my head was

there, my arms were there, I had survived. I couldn't believe that. I

looked around, it was a mess, some friends were killed, some were

injured, I said, I have to get out of the way, the police are going to

come, the ambulance will be here, the firemen, so I turned back to the

tail of the plane where the door was and the plane had broken, literally

broken, and when I went out and step in the snow I felt very, very sad

because we were in the middle of the mountains, there was a huge silent

around us, no firemen, no help, nothing, and my friends were

injured, some bleeding, some had pieces of metal in their stomach,

and I thought, this is not happening, I must rewind and go back

to reality, but that was reality, so someone said of the pilot is alive.

We rushed into the cabin and he was trapped because all of the controls

from the plane were pressing his chest, and he was saying, we passed

Greco, he was in a state because he thought he was in the Chilean side,

but we were in the mountains, but we could not move him because his legs

were trapped so he said, give me my suitcase, I have my gun, he wanted

to shoot in self and maybe that would be the best because he

suffered agony and all that, we could not get him out of there. How

quickly did your survival instinct kicked in? Well, from the first

moment. I think people are very diverse and can have different

attitudes. The first thing was to help my friends, one of them said,

look at my leg, and his leg was turned sideways so we just clicked

it in and said, leave it there, we are going to be rescued baby soon.

We went to the captain of the team, he was devastated because he

organised the trip. Another guy had a piece of metal in his stomach that

we took out, and said, how do you feel? He said, I think it is OK.

Another guy said, I am the president of Uruguay, I have immunity, no one

touches me. People can be very diverse, one of my friend said,

Roberto, this is a tragedy. We would be touching the pulses in the neck

to say who is alive and who is dead. But everything was towards waiting

for the rescue because the moment I hear screams that someone is coming

towards the plane, he was ten metres apart, literally swallowed by the

snow, so we thought that the snow would be very dangerous to go too

far from the plane, so lots of things were going simultaneously,

and then the cold tractors, the freezing temperature, the night came

on, we had to get into the fuselage of the plane, we were trapped there,

some people were crying, some people were quarrelling, I remember that

Nando Parrado, my buddy, had a very swollen head, we left him with his

head in the snow, 30 years later I discovered that was the best

treatment for the week the Redeemer, it was life-saving for him -- brain

swelling. There was so much suffering, the pain was unbearable.

Things begin slowly to get into this new organisation, we had to make

water with the metal backs of the seat, drop by drop you would get

water, you would be someone with a bottle and say, what are you doing,

are you going to drink it by yourself? You realise how human

beings materially have nothing and spiritually compensate and become

stronger in solidarity and the relation to God changes dramatically

because someone is saying, no, you shouldn't cheat, you shouldn't like,

you shouldn't steel, and when you look at this guy saying, God, help

me, it is a different kind of God, you are shoulder and shoulder. You

crossed the line in the end that most people find, obviously, just

extraordinary, that you were in a situation and ended up having to eat

the flesh of your fellow passengers who had died. At what stage did you

realise that was the only way you were going to survive? Well, at the

beginning, we ate all the toothpaste and creams for the women, over the

tree line was only rocks and no, nothing to eat, and you become very,

very hungry and there is an instinct inside yourself that tells you you

have to eat something. We thought about the letter of the shoes and

the belt, we began chewing the shoes and the letter of the belts, but we

felt it was poisoning us because it has lots of chemicals, so there was

nothing, we were dying, and someone said, I think I'm going crazy

because I'm thinking of beating the dead bodies of our friends, and a

couple said, no, this is crazy, we are not going to become cannibals,

for sure, this is not the way we should go. I was a second-year

medical student and I saw flesh, fat, proteins, I had studied the

cycle and knew that from protein you could go to carbohydrates, so the

fuel was OK. It was difficult to invade my friends' privacy and cut

off pieces of the bodies. I felt it was in some way rape being banned,

but some would say, Jesus Christ, the Last Supper, take my flesh and

my blood is OK, but for me was the last supper. But I thought, what if

I had been one of the dead bodies here? I would be proud that my body

had been used by my friends as a live project, so nowadays I fear I

have a piece of them in myself, not literally but spiritually, and I

have to do is give gratitude to the memory. The incredible thing is, you

don't want to eat a piece because you don't want to have the

humiliation, any time I think this was an human experiment, there was a

guinea pig there, we have helped people to get out of the mountains,

but I said, why should I swallowed this piece, then I remembered my

mother had told me, if one of his sons would die he wouldn't -- if one

of her sons would die, she would die of sadness. I ate a piece and

nothing happened. It became very common to eat dead bodies, it is

funny because on this story I think there are two versions, one in which

eating the dead bodies was not the toughest part, and when people

mention this tragedy they say, oh, you were the guys that were saved

because you ate the dead bodies? As if it were some magical formula, you

swallow a piece and you would get out of there. But eating dead bodies

was only buying