15/03/2016 Victoria Derbyshire

Every piece of evidence at this point in time shows that it is not

funded. The National Audit Office, a few days ago, issued a warning

effectively saying, you need to look at this level of funding. Government

has chosen to ignore the only credible research that is out there

which shows that there is, roughly speaking, about an 80% shortfall.

War in Syria through the eyes of children.

From that film just after 9:30am this morning.

Truckers tell this programme why they're going to court

to try to overturn fines handed out if a migrant sneaks onto their lorry

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or our website, bbc.co.uk/victoria. First today, this programme has

discovered the cost of sending one and two-year-olds to nursery

in England may have to increase substantially when free childcare

for older children doubles. Early years providers say the amount

they are being offered to pay for the new scheme will not

cover their costs, and there is a real danger fees may have

to rise elsewhere to make Our reporter Jim Reed

is here to talk us through it. Good morning, Jim.

Good morning. This is about the childcare bill which is currently

going through Parliament. It is important to say it affects England

only, we will go through the changes in Northern Ireland, Wales and

Scotland in a second, but the England the main headline grabbing

change is, as it currently stands, if you have a three or

four-year-old, you get 15 hours a week free childcare normally at

nursery. From September 20 17th it doubles to 30 hours a week in term

time, that is the theory. Many people worried about how it will

work in practice. What is the problem?

The UK has some of the most expensive childcare not just in

Europe but across the world so parents will want to know how this

will work, how will an extra 15 hours be divided up? If we look at a

calendar of a basic week, at the moment you get 15 hours a week free,

which works out at about 1.5 days for a full-time child care. This

white area is what you have to pay for if you want any extra. Childcare

providers said the amount they get from the Government for these 15

hours simply isn't enough, they are not making it pay, they are making a

loss. They said they get ?3.83 per hour per child from the Government

and it costs ?5.51 to provide that care. What happens? Look at this

white area, if you take extra childcare than the cost of paying

for this goes up over the odds to pay for the difference and plug the

gap. It is called cross subsidisation and that is how it

works across much of England. And that has been going on for

years? It has, but this is the problem, if

you double the amount of free childcare from 15 to 30 hours per

week, the opportunity to cross subsidise in that way is cut back.

How do you make it add up? The Government is the ring an extra ?1

billion per year from 2019-2020, but the nursery said that is not enough

and educational charities say they love the idea of increasing free

childcare in principle, but it is the side-effect that they worried

about. but it's going to be challenging

to deliver it. The big risks are increased prices

for parents outside the free offer for babies

and for extra hours, and some nurseries are inevitably

going out of business. So what is likely to happen? There

are three main options that nurseries have got.

The first is simply to not offer these extra 15 hours. There was a

survey last month showing that half of nurseries say, we will not be

able to do this, so they just won't go read. The other option is to

increase prices outside term time, so those free hours are only 438

weeks of the year in term time, you could increase prices outside of

that but it will probably not be enough to plug the gap. The most

likely outcome here is to raise prices are not for three and

four-year-olds but for one and two-year-olds, early years when they

are starting nursery, and they say there is a real risk that can

happen. We spoke to nurseries about this, they said they are angry, that

the plan needs to be Casserly looked at before it is put into action. --

looked at carefully. You have to make sure

that the funding is adequate. And every piece of evidence,

at this point in time, The National Audit Office,

just a few days ago, issued a warning saying you need

to look at this level of funding. The Government has chosen to ignore

the only credible research that shows there is, roughly speaking,

about an 18% shortfall. We have no real assessment

of what the impact of this will be. It tends to be a policy

that was introduced and then we are made

to work it out afterwards. So what does the Government say?

They are changing some of the criteria, the original idea was to

bring this into everybody, now they say both parents in the family have

to be working at least 16 hours a week to qualify when this comes on

in September 2000 17. We asked the Minister to appear on the programme,

he wasn't available today. The Department for Education sent a

statement: This does not match what we are singing on the ground, many

providers want to work with us to trial our 30 hour free offer. They

went on to say, we will be investing ?6 million a year Intel scared by

the end of this Parliament so we can offer hard-working families the

affordable child care they need. What about Wales, Scotland and

Northern Ireland? This is just England but there are similar plans

being talked about in both Scotland and Wales. We don't have

being talked about in both Scotland details of the funding but the

people we have spoken to say they are likely to face the same issues

and challenges. In Northern Ireland they are further behind, no plans to

introduce this 30 hours per week but politicians, especially from the

SDLP, have been talking about it, so although this is starting out as an

England only policy the whole of the UK could be affected eventually.

We know this is a big issue for our audience. Let's talk further about

this. Purnima Tanuku is from

National Day Nurseries Association which is the umbrella

organisation for both private Jenny Chapman is Labour's

shadow Early Years and What are your members going to do?

At the moment providers are getting ?3.83 per hour and are making a loss

of about ?34,000 based on 36 funded children. This problem has existed

for a number of years, and I think the chronic underfunding of the

Early Years and Childcare policy is something the Government needs to

seriously look at. But do you think people are going to put up the

prices for one and two-year-olds to try to plug this shortfall, the 18%

shortfall, when the doubling of free childcare for three and

four-year-olds comes in next year? I think that is the only way because

at the moment they are offering 15 hours of free childcare for three

and four-year-olds and they have to increase the prices for other

children on extra hours, but with 30 hours that will become the norm and

parents are not going to purchase any extra hours, the only option

providers have got left is to increase the fee for younger

children. So when big childcare Minister gave us that statement

saying, actually, what you are saying today does not match what

they are seeing on the ground at all, they are finding nurseries are

up for delivering these funded places for three and four-year-olds?

A small percentage of nurseries have put forward an interest in terms of

being part of the pilot, but we are talking about 20,000 day nurseries

across the UK and the majority of childcare in England is delivered by

private day nurseries, so the Government is going to be the

biggest customer and they are going to be funded through local

authorities, but equally the Private day nurseries are also going to be

the biggest partner in terms of delivering this. Without working

together and addressing these needs, this policy will be in threat of

achieving the best outcome for children and families. Let me bring

in the shadow childcare Minister, you heard that this problem has been

going on for years, the last Labour Government introduced the 15 hours

free childcare, that is one the problem started? You did not funded

properly either? We worked with the sector to bring in 15 hours... It

did not pay enough. We did pay enough, we worked closely with the

sector to bring that in and everybody could get it, that was the

point, so take up was good and we saw massive expansion of nursery

provision at that time. What is happening now, you get a problem

with the bailable, so as well as the cost going up for one and

two-year-olds, what we think we are going to see is an availability

crisis. We know that there are nursery places in many areas that

are not sufficient to meet demand, and in some places now we have got

councils saying, we cannot be sure we have got enough places to fill

the 15 hour requirement, so there is a crisis emerging if we are not

careful. Do you not accept that the last Labour Government did not fund

the 15 hours properly? The last Labour Government finished in

2010... I know that, I am aware of when you were voted out! But I am

saying that is when it started and it has continued. The difference is

we worked properly with the sector and local authorities, we assisted

with providing the funding for training for the sector as well, so

you saw a growth in provision over that time. Since then you have got a

contraction of provision and there are more children, so it is not

surprising that what you see is this emerging crisis, and I really feel

for parents because what they were told a year ago by the Prime

Minister was that they would get 30 hours free childcare and lots of

parents thought, fantastic, this is what we need. What we are finding

now is either it won't be there or they will get stoned in other ways,

either by paying additional money for the one or two-year-olds, paying

for meals, paying extra money during hours that they will be paying for,

so they are giving with one hand and taking away an awful lot more with

the other. The Government says up to 600,000 families will be eligible,

it will be worth around ?5,000 per year to each family, parents will be

delighted with that. They will if they can get it, and we want to

encourage the Government here, we want them to do more, but the

trouble is what they are doing isn't what they said they would do. But

you are right, if you have got one child and

they are three years old and you are both working the right number of

hours and earning the right amount of money, and you can get a place at

your local nursery, it is a benefit, absolutely, and for those parents

and families it is a good thing, which is why what we are doing is

wanted the Government to go further and do more at the same time as

pointing out the deficiencies. We are not saying it is a bad thing to

provide more childcare for those families that are eligible. Ahead of

the last general election Labour guaranteed 25 hours of free

childcare every week for working parents of three and four-year-olds.

Was the plan funded properly? The reason it was a few hours was

because we had done the working at that point to say, this is how we

want to do it. What happened at the election was there was a sort of

auction in the end, we said 25 hours, the Government thought, this

is a huge political issue, which it is, and they outbid us. But what

they outbid us with, I think, is a lot flakier than the proposals that

we were making. But what is good about this is that childcare is now

at the centre of political debate, and it didn't used to be that way,

it was a fringe women's issue, and now it is an issue that everyone is

talking about, all the main political parties have got something

to say, they all want to pull in the same direction, and that is a good

thing for the country. It is certainly an issue for voters, not

least those who are saying, why should taxpayers pay for all the

working parents to fund their children at nursery? I hear this,

but I think you have to look at the whole economy, and it is expensive

to the nation as a whole to have parents trained to do jobs, going

through university, giving all of those things, and then they leave

the workplace not because they want to but because either they cannot

afford the cost of childcare or they cannot get a taste... Don't have

children is what those taxpayers would say. We want people to have

children because we want the future of the country to be secure, we pay

for children from the age of four years anyway in education, this is

extra support in early years which supports employers, keeps people in

the workplace, we know that parents working is good for the kids, there

are lots of longer term objectives that the country wants, supported by

people working, people paying taxes, being good citizens, and this is

about the state doing its part to support people in leading those

lives that we want them to lead. Kenema Toluca, the pilot starts this

September, the plan is supposed to roll out white September 20 17. Do

you feel, in the time frame that is left, that the Government is going

to listen to you and find some more money from taxpayers somehow? They

will have to listen because, as Jenny highlighted, the childcare is

at the centre of the policy for all parties and all governments in all

three nations, but I think what they need to make sure is that the

funding reaches the providers because at the moment it is through

local authorities, there is an amount... Are you saying that local

councils are hanging onto some of the cash? Some local authorities top

slice as much as 30% of the funding so the real issue here is not only

what the Government is investing in childcare but how much of that

investment is being passed on to providers. That is where the

challenges, because the survey we carried out, on average, they get

?3.83 but, in fact, the Government figures on the additional money the

Chancellor has announced, they are saying they will be paid ?4.88 on

average per hour. There is no guarantee, because, take your pick,

different local authorities pay as little as ?2.85, as high as ?4.50.

This is where we are asking the Government to look at the funding,

look at the consistency, before the pilot starts, because we have not

even seen the announcement about the consultation yet. Thank you both

very much for coming on the programme.

Still to come: Leicester extend their lead at the top

of the Premier League after beating Newcastle.

We'll be looking at their amazing season and asking if their success

The Syrian war has created a generation of children

with physical and psychological scars who've had no

We'll hear from some of them about their lives.

Russia has started withdrawing its forces from Syria,

just hours after President Putin's surprise announcement

that the country had largely achieved it's military objectives.

Western officials have cautiously welcomed the move,

saying it could pressure Syria's government to engage in talks.

The British Government will give it's backing to two major rail

projects in the UK, after a report concludes the north of England needs

"immediate and significant investment" in transport.

More than 50 firefighters are tackling a "serious blaze"

at the historic Wythenshawe Hall in Manchester.

The blaze started in the early hours of the morning and emergency

services say ten fire engines are at the scene.

Families of children affected by Meningitis B will tell MPs why

they want the vaccination programme in the UK to be extended.

Currently, the vaccine is only routinely given to infants in the UK

but over 800,000 people have signed a petition calling for the NHS

immunisation programme to be widened.

Norwegian mass murderer Anders Breivik has given a Nazi

salute at the start of a court hearing which will decide

whether his detention in jail amounts to inhuman treatment.

It was the first time the right-wing extremist has appeared in public

since his trial in 2012 for the killing of 69 people.

Here's some sport now with Jessica, and Leicester City's charge

towards the Premier League title continues.

They are getting there. Another step closer? This is becoming a fairy

tale victor youia. We have a fan in the office. We would get into Hester

Ricks if he suggested that Leicester could win the Premier League, as if!

We would chuckle. It is not quite so funny. We are witnessing something

special. Leicester City, who were battling relegations last season are

top of the Premier League. There is eight games left and they have a

five point lead. Pretty good odds you would say. This story has

captivated audiences, the world over. Fans are loving this, at the

King Power stadium where Leicester beat Newcastle 1-0 there were South

American journalist, even the Japanese were there, this really is

captivating fan, Leicester City legend and BBC presenter Gary

Lineker said if they go on to achieve the impossible, and win the

Premier League, they reach sporting immortality and he is probably not

wrong. It will be really exciting in the last few weeks of the season.

Else we are with are talking tennis and Johanna Konta is through to the

Fourth Round at Indian Wells. She seems to be carrying on the form

that saw her reach the semifinals of the Australian Open earlier in the

month. So brilliant victory for her. Andy Murray, the world number two in

his first am TP tournament since becoming a father lost in the third

round. Far from his best. He admitted he was having problems with

his serve. But we will look at that and of course Leicester City just

after 10.00. In five years the war in Syria has

claimed the lives of quarter of a million people, with millions

more fleeing their home in a desperate attempt

to find safety. To try and put that death

toll into perspective, if you imagine those five years

as just five minutes it would mean the deaths of 1,000 people

every single second. That death toll includes

thousands of children, and even for those that have

survived, the outlook remains bleak. War has created a generation

of children with physical Syria's education system has been

shattered by the war, with one in four schools having been

damaged or destroyed, used as a shelter, or converted

into a military building. On the fifth anniversary

of the Syrian war, these children explained how the war

has affected them. Some can only remember war and many

have lost loved ones. This is the Syrian war told

through the eyes of kids. Of course Leicester City just after

10.00. It is very scary, and first time I

listened. Syrian children explaining how

the war has affected them on the fifth anniversary

of the outbreak of the conflict. Meanwhile, Moscow is beginning

the process of withdrawing Russian planes have been bombing

opponents of President Assad since September last year,

allowing Syrian forces to recapture But in an unexpected announcement

yesterday the Russian President announced his military had largely

completed its objectives We can talk now to Russia expert

Martin McCauley via webcam - This seems to have taken most people

by surprise, why has Vladimir Putin withdrawing his troops? It is mostly

political rather than strategic to be honest and the move was perfectly

tactically accounted for the surprise, the Americans didn't know

about it, few hours ago, before that, announcement, Mr Lavrov the

Foreign Minister spoke to state secretary Kerry and never mentioned

it. Mr Putin seems to have forgotten he was fighting terrorism in the

Islamic state when he says the objectives of the campaign were

largely you know, achieved. But the main, main thing that the, main

objective of this particular move for many observers is Russia is

using this moment of, because the bombing affected the situation on

the ground, and benefitted the Syrian regime, so the Russians want

to withdraw part of at least part of the operation, part of the troops

now while they are on a high. On other hand they might use this for

further moves, as they call in the Russian Secret Service, the chess

term in Russian, that means that multiple moves to make sure the

opponent is confused, doesn't know what you are going to do next. That

is what they are doing, nobody knows what they will do next, they might

say that you know, Geneva talks start today, have failed, they will

go back, but here they are peaceful people, we have crate created peace

on the ground, new conditions that will help to achieve some kind of

peace, so we can go now. Remind our audience, for those who want to

learn more, what exactly what is going on in Geneva, with what

objective? Well, the talks, they call them proximity talks, that

means that driven rent group, people from Damascus, the Government, from

different opposition groups, the free Syrian army, the general

opposition, they sit in different rooms, talk to interlocutors and

maybe will sit together and start talking about the actual condition,

what to do and to start creating a stable peace in the country, move

towards elections, how the Government will be formed, who will

be in power, how it will be restructured and shared between

different groups, the matter... That is a future of Syria, with no war

and no President running the country. No, no, well Mr Assad says

he has to be part of the future, he has to stay and he insists on that

and I think Russians are supporting him on that. OK. Let us bring in

Martin McAuley, a Russian specialist at the University of London. What,

why do you think President Putin has withdrawn troops and forces? First

of all, the suggestion would be that the Russian military has got as far

as it can, it doesn't see any point in further continuing the war

because Assad wanted to continue the war, the Russians based on careful

military analysis believe that this is as far as they want to go,

without suffering heavy loss, because at present, they have

suffered very few losses and it hasn't been a very expensive

campaign. One t suffering heavy loss, because at present, they have

suffered very few losses and it hasn't been a very expensive

campaign very expensivecampaign. One estimate is 2.5 million $a campaign.

They decided they have told Assad, and try and find a peace settlement.

There is no military solution, there is no point you, President Assad

saying you are going to fight until the whole of Syria is still under

your control. That is is not an option.

So you think that withdrawal puts pressure on President Putin is

putting pressure on his friend and ally, President Assad, to get round

that negotiating table, to negotiation what? To negotiate a

settlement in the long-term. The Russians have ever in said that

President Assad will remain forever. They are not backing him. They are

backing the democratic elected President, and Government of Syria,

and that means if Assad at one point may go. Therefore they say,

and that means if Assad at one point Lavrov said this, they are not

backing a person, they are backing the person who is in the, who is the

President, and that can change, and therefore, President Assad may be an

interim solution, it doesn't seem much sense in removing him now as

many of the opposition would say and as John Kerry keeps on saying,

because then you would have a vacuum, so you keep President Assad,

and you negotiate with him and his Government, an interim settlement

and a new President, and a new Government will be elected. That is

a slow process, but the Russians have begun that process, and they

are the driving force, because without Russian military support,

Assad can go nowhere. So what will President Assad be thinking right

now then? He will be thinking, I thought the

Russians would support me monetarily and we could keep on with the war,

because the first part of the war is over, which is fighting the rebel

groups, and now we pass to the difficult part, which is Islamic

State, the jihadis, the difficult ones, and the Russians, at present,

don't seem prepared to take them on. They don't see it in their interest

at present, so they are saying to Assad, OK, you can keep the

territory you have at present, because you are aided by Hezbollah

and the Iranians. Of course, this could backfire because the

opposition across Islamic State and Al-Nusra Front could recapture some

of the territory which would force the Russians to come back in, so it

will be seen as a gamble which was a losing gamble. So Putin is taking

risks here, he is a risk-taking president, but he is saying to

Assad, go to Geneva, work out some kind of settlement, which will be a

slow process because you have got to separate the groups which are as big

Syrian groups fighting against you because some of them have come from

the other side, you could do a deal with them, and separate them from

the foreign jihadi group which are mainly Islamic State and those

people, and deal with those later, but at present you have got to reach

some kind of compromise with the editing Syrian groups and start the

process, which could be a long process, other diplomatic solution,

because a diplomatic solution is the only one in the long term. There

have been various ideas about a confederation, partition, so on, all

these things on the table for the future. But the first stage is to

start that process. Thank you very much, Russian specialist from the

University of London and news editor at BBC Russia. Still to come:

Some claim this dog - winner in its class

The owner says it has a clean bill of health.

Many of you getting in touch about this. Alan has tweeted: I worked on

the production of a dog breeding paper and felt uncomfortable with

how breeding standards are achieved. Rob says, Crufts needs to take the

licenses off the judges as the dog looked in disk on the and nowhere

like a champion should be. Ian said: Four years, breeders have been

breeding dogs to satisfy the whims of the Kennel Club and the judges.

And we'll says, in my opinion the German Shepherd's sloping back is

part of the breeding standards demanded by the kennel Club, it does

not look good, I hated seeing the owner Paul out the dog's back legs

to make the back the dog slope even further.

More on that after 10am. Those of you who follow

the Premier League will be aware that English football

is in the midst of a phenomenon. Leicester City won again last night,

which means they continue to sit at the top of the league

with a healthy five point cushion. Quite a feat considering they were

5000-1 with the bookmakers to win the league at

the start of the season. Only five different teams have

put their name on the Premier League trophy since the league

began in 1992. In a game where money talks,

success has all too often gone to those with the biggest

purse strings. But this season the script has been

rewritten, because there's a footballing fairytale unfolding

in the East Midlands, complete with its very

own Roy of the Rovers. At the start of this

Premier League season, Leicester City were just happy to be

there, licking their wounds after coming through

a relegation battle. Their target, like most

clubs of their size, The board had got rid of manager

Nigel Pearson and replaced him What followed was a run of results

that stunned English football. Going unbeaten in their first six

games could be put down to a lucky start, but when Leicester found

themselves top of the league at Christmas, having only lost one

game, that's when people really The thought of Gary Lineker

in his underwear was clearly enough to motivate the Leicester dressing

room, because they've continued Striker Jamie Vardy

became the only man He and Riyad Mahrez have scored

more goals between them Five years ago, Vardy was playing

non-league football, and Mahrez was in the

French fourth division. The question of how Leicester have

managed to do what they have done has left opposing players, managers,

pundits and journalists But if Leicester can win

the Premier League, it could be the blueprint for clubs to follow

for years to come. Joining me now is Gary Johnson,

a lifelong Leicester City fan He is going to start keeping a video

diary for us for the run-in. How are you? I'm OK, you? I'm very well,

tell us about your season to this point? It has been an absolutely

amazing season, complete turnaround from last year. We were in the

biggest relegation scrap that I think any team has been in in recent

years, and to think that not even 12 months down the line we are eight

games away from possibly winning the bark is Premier League, it is an

unbelievable feeling and something that I never thought I would witness

as a Leicester City fan gasbag read the Berkeley 's Premier League. Who

happily still got to play, and are you worried about any of the

opponents? Probably the biggest opponent, which might sound weird

because we still have Manchester United, Chelsea, both of those away,

we actually have West Ham coming up, which is, from a supporter's point

of view, and from people I have been speaking to, the game that people

are worried about the most. They have had a fantastic season, we are

hoping other things may continue on their mind, they have got cup runs

and so on, and we hope they will slip up a little bit, but we think

that will be our toughest game to come this season. Is that at your

place or there's? That is that the king Fowler, so we have that on our

side. We have a fantastic support at home games -- the King Power

Stadium. I think regardless of what position we are in, we could be one

hyphens erode down, the crowd are still so good at getting behind

them, and Claudio Ranieri last night was getting everyone in the crowd

going, come on, we have got ten minutes to go, we need to do this

together. Thereafter number of different theories as to why you

have been so successful this season. What is yours? I think it is one

man, Claudio Ranieri. He has come into the club and built on what was

already quite strong to start with, I'm not going to take that away from

Nigel Pearson or anyone else, but Claudio Ranieri has come in, he has

got the attitude of the team, and he is working his socks off. With his

backroom staff, his players, and I really think the home supporters

have just got behind this team. Is that your bedroom?! It is, yes! How

old are you?! 23, believe it or not! You have got Dr Who posters, what

are you playing at?! No-one else liked it when I was younger, but now

it has come back! We all have to be eight Whovian! It is just the fact

that you still have the posters on your wall at 23! I am not knocking

it, just intrigued! Don't show me up first thing in the morning! I'm not,

you are showing yourself up, it is your bedroom! It was a late night

last night at the King Power, we were doing a lot of celebrating!

With a new manager, usually there is a bounce, do you feel sorry for

Newcastle or not at all? I said last night, the day they got rid of Alan

Pardew, all of the protests against that manager at the time, ever since

then they have gone downhill. Have they bought it on themselves?

Leicester normally help out new managers, that was my worry last

night, but we didn't and that is all I care about! I am really, really

looking forward to your video diary over the next few weeks, it will be

fantastic. Thank you so much and we will no doubt speak again. Yes, see

you soon! A group of parents whose children

contracted the deadly meningitis B infection are appearing before MPs

today to try and persuade the politicians that the vaccine

should be provided for all children At the moment, babies in the UK

are offered the potentially life-saving vaccine as part

of a national But hundreds of thousands of people

have signed a petition for the jab to be offered to all children under

the age of 11 after a mother shared pictures of her daughter,

two-year-old Faye Burdett, dying in hospital

from the condition. Meninigitis B is a bacterial

infection that most often affects There are about 1200 cases

each year in the UK. With early diagnosis and antibiotic

treatment, most make So far the Government has rejected

calls for the vaccine One of those appearing before MPs

today is Claire Timmins. Her son, Mason, was seven

when he contracted meningitis B. Mason was an absolute ball of

energy. Anyone that ever met him, you knew about it, you never forgot

him. He was such a lively, joyful character, such a zest for life,

willing to have a go and do absolutely anything, no fear

whatsoever. He was into motocross, he had his own motocross bike and he

loved doing that, but he loved doing things with his hands, he could

strip his own motorbike, do the engine, he has abseiled in the

middle of the Mediterranean Sea, I will have a go at that! The weekend

before he passed away, my husband went on a driving experience day at

Rockingham and he said, I want to have a go at that, so we paid for

him to go round with one of the rally drivers, and came back

laughing his head off and the rally driver said, all he kept saying was,

faster, faster! Just loved thrill experiences. On the Saturday, he had

been to see Father Christmas, been to a Christmas fete, he was fine.

Sunday he was fine, went to bed Sunday evening, didn't want to go to

bed, was hiding in the bath, eventually went to bed, woke up

Monday morning at around 6:30am being sick, there was a bug going

around school so I presumed it was a normal sickness bug. Came down, he

lay on the settee, he was sick again at about 9am, spent the rest of the

day on the sofa. Late afternoon he asked if he could watch a film, put

the film on and he fell asleep, so I left him. About 4pm he woke up with

the temperature, so I gave him some paracetamol, about half an hour late

day is to manager had not gone up but had not gone down so I called my

husband, said I would take into the doctors because something wasn't

right and by husband said, I'm round the corner, wait for me. In the few

minutes it took for my husband to come here, he started to go pale,

got a bit confused in his wording, so we took him to the doctors in the

car, five minutes around the corner. He started falling to sleep, got in

the doctors and he was the same, very sleepy, nodding off, waking up,

the doctor recognised straightaway it was meningitis, got him onto the

bed and gave him the antibiotic injection but he fell asleep in the

doctors and never be gained consciousness. It was like a

whirlwind, you were standing on the outside and watching something

happening, it did not feel real at all. We don't want to panic parents

because children get sickness bug is all the time, but we want people to

be mortgage on it. You know your own children, if you are in any doubt

seek medical advice straightaway. Anybody can get meningitis B, not

just babies. As Ed Mason, he was seven, adults can get it, and I

think it is important that children are vaccinated against it. I know it

is not 100%, but 80% is better than nothing and I think it should be

offered to our children. We offer the flu vaccination as a routine

thing, yet meningitis B kills and we are not prepared to offer it to our

children. Even if we are not successful in Parliament, which we

hope we are, raising awareness could hopefully save a life in itself, if

we save one life we have made a difference.

Claire Timmins, one of the parents who will be talking to MPs today to

try to persuade them to extend the meningitis B vaccination programme.

Time for the latest weather. Yesterday was a glorious day across

the country, lots of sunshine everywhere but today some

differences, Eastern areas will be cloudy, western areas will be best.

This was the picture across the Highlands yesterday, blue sky and

glorious sunshine. Across the East, a different story, low cloud, mist

rolling in the North Sea like this picture in North Lincolnshire, the

odd spot of light rain and drizzle mixed in with that cloud as well.

That is how it will be through the day will stop south-west England

poking out in the sunshine, should remain quite warm. More in the way

of cloud for Central and eastern Wales, maybe western Wales

of cloud for Central and eastern the best of the sunshine. For the

Midlands, South East England, East Anglia, it will be cloudy, feeling

cool, particularly in the south-east, and some low cloud and

spots of drizzle. West of the Pennines, Northern Ireland, Scotland

seeing the best of the sunshine, we could make 18 Celsius across the

Western highlands with some shelter from the breeze. This evening and

overnight, it stays cloudy for many, that will be thick enough to produce

the odd spot of light rain or drizzle throughout the night.

Further west it will be clearer, one or two frost patches, but

temperatures should not ball much below for five under the cloud.

Hello it's Tuesday, it's 10 o'clock, I'm Victoria Derbyshire,

if you've just joined us - coming up before 11.

This morning - why the cost of putting your one and two year

olds into nursery could be about to soar.

They are offering 15 hours and they have to increase the prices for

other children, but with 30 hours that will become the norm, and

parents aren't going to actually purchase any extra hours, the only

option providers have left with, is increase the fee for younger

children. And look at this picture

of a German Shepherd voted It's been widely criticised

for its "deformed back", with many saying it's

the result of poor breeding. And truckers tell this programme why

they're going to court to try to over-turn fines handed out

when migrants sneak onto their lorry Russian fighter planes have started

withdrawing from Syria, just hours after President Putin's

surprise announcement that the country had largely

achieved it's military objectives. Western officials have

cautiously welcomed the move, saying it could pressure Syria's

government to engage in peace The Government is expected to back

plans to speed up work on building two major rail projects,

including a new high speed line An infrastructure report has

concluded that the north of England needs "immediate and significant"

transport investment. Families of children affected

by Meningitis B will tell MPs why they want the vaccination programme

in the UK to be extended to children Currently, the vaccine is only

routinely given to infants. The Pope has announced that Mother

Teresa will be made a Roman Catholic saint in September.

She died in 1997, Norwegian mass murderer

Anders Breivik has given a Nazi salute at the start of a court

hearing on the conditions He's suing the government,

claiming that being kept in isolation breaches

his human rights. Big news in morning. About Leicester

City. You have spoken to a few fans and it is starting to look as if

Leicester can pull off one of the most remarkable title victories,

they are five points clear of Spurs with eight matches left to play.

They beat Newcastle 1-0 last night. In truth it wasn't their most

sparkling performance but look at this goal. A moment of magic.

Absolutely spectacular overhead kick. Look at the manager there.

Claudio Ranieri, he is usually so composed. Trying to rally the fans

behind the side. Newcastle's defeat leaves them second from bottom but

Leicester's title charge is relentless. Can ran is sticking to

their footballing cliche, just one match at a time. They want to fight

every match, I don't want to risk I want to fight. Our concentration is

about Crystal Palace, another difficult match, another good

players, that is, I want the battle, and we will go to battle there.

So after that win last night it seems as though Leicester City fans

are starting to believe and the media too, the sports pages this

morning are full of praise for them. Leicester head over heels says The

Times and in the Sun. And from Shin the bag. Look at the glee on his

face. High five for Foxes in The Express and in the independent they

have gone with flying foxes. They are flying at the moment. It will be

an exciting end to the Premier League season.

In tennis in his first singles tournament since becoming a father

Andy Murray crashed out at Indian Wells losing in three sets to the

Argentinian. He admitted after the game he struggled with his serve.

Completely different story for Johanna Konta, she is threw to the

last 16. She is continuing in the brilliant form that saw her reach

the Australian Open semifinals earlier this year. Up next the Cech

player. The chef starts today. Four day --

Cheltenham Festival starts today. Crowds are expected to total almost

275,000 people. Willie Mullins had a record eight winners last year, and

has four red hot favourites running today, including Anni Power in the

feature race the Champion Hurdle. It is great to have an event like

Cheltenham for National Hunt race, it puts National Hunt racing up

there for this week, the whole year, between press, radio, newspaper, all

other social media, it gets top billing. It is very very important.

And than is all the sport for today. Headlines at 10.30.

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David Cameron is the due to speak about the EU referendum. We will

bring some live and we will continue to bring youer no of your reaction

to this, the dog that won Best In Show at Crufts, but many say it is

not a good example of German shepherd breeding. Let me read some

comments from you. So many, interested le of German shepherd

breeding. Let me read some comments from you. So many, interested in

this particular subject. "The complete distortion of the shape of

the dog from working breed to a pitiful sight that can barely walk

is heartbreaking, yet, the suffering the dogs endure is cruel." For too

long the Kennel Club has allowed poor breeding practise, that allow

things such as the sloping back of the German shepherd. They allow

droopy eyelids which cause eye problems and further growth which

makes it hard for dogs to see." He sloping back of the German shepherd.

They allow droopy eyelids which cause eye problems and further

growth which makes it hard for dogs to see." This from Sue "The Kennel

Club breed standard does not demand a sloping back, quite the contrary,

it specifies a straight, strong back, but breeders and judges are

ignoring this, if judges continue to put up dogs that do not conform to

the standard, the problem will not go away. As these are the same

people that are breeding and exhibiting, it is a deep-rooted

problem. The same goes for other breeds." Keep your comments coming

in. Get in touch in the usual ways. Charities have told this programme

that the cost of sending one and two-year-olds to nursery may

have to increase substantially when free childcare

for older children doubles. Our reporter Jim Reed

can tell us more. This is all to do with

the childcare bill which is What we're abut to say

is about England only - talk about Wales, Scotland

and Northern Ireland in a minute. The main headline grabbing change is

this one. If you have a three or four-year-old at the moment, you

countly get 15 hours a week of free childcare, normally at nursery but

from September, 2017, that is going to double to 30 hours a week. At

least that is the theory. A lot people are worried about how it

might work in practise. What is the problem? At the moment, the UK has

some of the most expensive child care, we know this not just in

Europe but across the world. Many parents will want to know what the

details are of this. Let us take an average week. This area if blue, is

the childcare you currently get for free. It works out about a

day-and-a-half. If you want more this area in white, you have to pay.

Many nurseries say this area in blue at the moment is not properly funded

by the Government, they don't get enough money here to cover their

cost, they say they get round ?3.80 per hour per child.

There is a big shortfall. Look at this area in white. If you have more

than 15 hour, you pay over the odds to make up this difference, to plug

this hole. That is what is going on at the moment. It is called cross

subsidy say, it happens across the UK as things stand. That is being

going on for a number of years. This isn't new, but look what happens

when you increase free childcare to 30 hour, the opportunity here to

cross subsidise is cut back, so what do you do? The Government has

already offered more money here to plug the gap. It I is saying an to

cross subsidise is cut back, so what do you do? The Government has

already offered more money here to plug the gap. It I is saying an

extra billion pounds a year. It sound a lot but nurseries say it

isn't enough and they will make a significant loss here. What is going

to happen then? They say there is three main option, the first is

simply, for nurseries not to offer these extra hours, to ignore the

Government. Round half of nurseries in a survey last month said that is

the case and they won't be doing this. The other op sunnion is to

increase prices outside term time. So they could increase the prices

outside of that 38 weeks of the year, probably not going to be

enough so the people we have spoken to and you have heard this in the

first hour, said they will have to raise prices substantially for one

and two-year-olds to be able to afford the free Chile care for the

older children at three or four. What do the Government say about

that? They have been tweaking some of the criteria, when this was

announced it was everyone that was going to qualify. Now they are

saying it will be families where both people in that family or one

person if it is a single family work at least 16 hours a week. There is

some change there. We asked the minister to appear on the programme

and explain more, they said no-one was available, but there was a short

statement from the mme and explain more, they said no-one was

available, but there was a short statement from the Department for

Education, they said "This does not match what we are seeing on the

ground. Many providers want to work with us, to trial this new 30 hour

free offer." What we are seeing on the ground. Many providers want to

work with us, to trial this new 30 hour free offer." They went on to

say "We will be investing ?6 billion a year in childcare, but the end of

this Parliament, so we can offer hard-working families the affordable

childcare they need." What about Wales, Scotland and Northern

Ireland? This is very much England only. However in Wales and Scotland,

there are plans to bring in a similar system, the people we have

spoken to say they will face the same challenges there, we don't have

the details about funding, in Northern Ireland, no solid plans to

increase funding but politicians have been talking about copying the

English system, so even though it is England to begin with this could be

an issue that affected the whole of the United Kingdom.

Mike Abbott is Group General Manager of Co-operative Childcare,

which has about 49 nurseries across the country

Amy Christopher says she cant afford childcare for her seven-month-old

Tracey Danquah has a two-year-old daughter and is due

She's wondering what kind of childcare she'll

Hello all of you. Thank you for coming on the programme. Lovely to

see you all. Mike first, you are on 44 owe run 444 nursery, what are

they planning to do when this doubling of provision is meant to

come in in September 2017 We fully support increasing funding going

into childcare, it is wonderful, it has been shown the best outcomes

come from those who are good... You run 44 nursery, of course I speak as

a father, I sent them to nursery because I have seen the studies that

show it is the best outcome. There is so many unknown that, the

challenge we face, the pilots will be absolutely critical, to

understanding how this can work, because there is is a shortfall in

funding. We make up across the whole sector, and when the opportunities

change, we are going to need to be more creative and understand how we

can use flex bill. It is about how much of the money gets to the

childcare provider, the government put a lot in at the outset, and it

is how much trickle downs the the providers. At the moment They they

give to the local councils and they distribute it. Exactly. There is

huge ineptitude and inequality in how much reaches individual

nurseries. When you say you will have to be creative, you mean you

probably need to put the prices up for younger children. That is one

option, what we will try to do is to try to share some of the costs round

the country and not o only yobses is dice in a nursery but between

nurseries where you have different make up and so on. I think we have

to be... Richer areas. You cup charge more, that is the reality

where parents can afford and as a Co-op we want to carry on operating

nurseries in areas that don't always make as much money, that is

important to us, because that is one of our founding principles. Why

don't you say to the Government you are not giving us enough money? We

do. We are not going to offer the 30 hours? That is something that is

going on in discussion at the moment. The other thing that we can

do, and your correspondent showed the fact if you are doing 30 hours a

week there is not much left of the week. That is across 38 weeks of the

other year, the other thing you can stretch that funding across 52 weeks

and that decreases to 22 hours a week and there can be more

opportunities to up sell, to parents who want to have full-time

childcare. It will be interesting how the pilot works out.

Tracey, introduce us to your little girl. This is any order. She's being

very patient. You obviously have a baby on the way, congratulations.

But she will be three soon, is that right? So you will benefit,

potentially, from the doubling of the provision to 30 hours a week,

yet you will have an infant who you may want to put into nursery, or

where according to Mike and others we have spoken to, the fees for your

infant could soar to pay for the free childcare for your

three-year-old? Just based on the timings that were outlined, she

probably misses out because September 2017 she will go to

full-time education so will not be eligible for the three hours, but

that potentially could have been the and now thinking about another one

on the way and what it means for childcare costs rising, I'm blessed

because my mum helps out a lot with my childcare arrangements, which has

meant I was able to continue full-time, she goes to nursery one

day a week and the rest of the time she is with my mum. Your mum is a

saint! She really is! Amy and Daniel, what about your situation?

With regards me going back to work it would financially be the case I

pay out more than I burning so it wouldn't benefit me. Even with what

is being offered? Even with what is being offered. Even if he was

getting the free nursery, 30 hours, it would be beneficial for him

because he would be socialising with children, but that is not going to

be... With regards to how the percentages have gone up, it has won

up by 4.3% since last year so the rate will be more than what it was

before, so for me to put him into, say, 25 hours a week, I would be

looking at ?191 per week, which would cancel out what I'm earning at

that time, it would cost more for me to put him into childcare than for

me to go to work. So what happens, will you wait until he goes to

school? I will have to, or see if family can how out if I go back to

work part-time. But there are lots of taxpayers who say, you should

stay home and look after your children, and if you cannot afford

childcare then stay at home or don't have the child. Well... There is

that, but... Other taxpayers are asking, why should I pay to

subsidise your children going to nursery? One of the things that may

come as a result of this initiative, if nursery providers are saying they

will be forced to push up prices, there is only so much you can push

up prices. People's disposable incomes will not be able to cover

the increase and you will find other service providers will benefit,

Private childcare minders, other childcare arrangements, nurseries

are not the only option. But it is something that will impact, because

if it comes down to opportunity costs, do I work full time then pay

everything out on childcare? I may as well stay at home and raise my

children myself and be a mum and when they are in full-time education

go back to work, but then you get people opting out of the Labour

market which in practice the broader economy as well. Daniel has just

realised there is a little girl here and it is amusing him! With the

extra demand, as nurseries get more fall, we can recover more of the

costs, so there is potential for seriously keeping down some of those

increases that we fear. Although you have got the minimum wage being

raised in April, ?7.20, next month, George Osborne calling it the living

wage. It is not quite, say others, the living wage, but it is going up

to ?7.20 per hour so your staff costs will go up. And in nurseries

generally the costs for staff are over 60% of the income, so it is a

huge factor. And as they should be because you need the best staff. And

the right ratios to give the best quality of care, but it is a

significant cost, and you have to get the funding formula right. This

little girl does not look impressed by the little boy over here, where

she is really into it! Thank you so much for coming on the programme,

and good luck with the next one! Thank you very much, thank you, Amy,

nice to meet you. The Romanian haulage company which

is going to court in this country tomorrow to appeal finds it received

after migrants were found in the back of its lorries in Calais.

"Deformed", "horrific", "a disgrace", "appalling" -

just some of the descriptions used about this German shepherd dog

which has just won Best In Breed at Crufts.

The RSPCA says it's unacceptable that the three-year-old bitch,

Cruaghaire Catori, was able to win, given it appeared she had

an abnormally sloped back and her gait looked painful.

The dog 's owner told us that she had been given a clean bill of

health by two vets and has described the negative publicity as the worst

nightmare of her show life. We can talk now to the RSCPA's chief

veterinary officer James Yates, and Shirley Hutchinson

is the chairman of German Shepherd Thank you both for talking to us.

First ball, James, what do you say about this particular blog? Well, it

is not just about this particular door, our concerns are that this is

part of a much wider problem. But the specifics for this dog, I think,

are obvious to anyone looking at the clip. The back is really sloped,

people, I'm sure, know that German Shepherd Dog League get problems

with their hips and their backs, especially in later life. But also

this German Shepherd Dog League if you watch her as she goes round, she

looks, I think the commentator called it unsettled, but one would

just take from looking at it she looks stressed, she does not look

like she is entering it, so two big concerns. But the owner says the doc

has been given a clean bill of health, and the owner is distraught

about what people are saying about her German shad? It shows two

things, one is my understanding of the bets checks, I'm not one of the

vet to do them, they are not looking at the combination of the blog, so

much as any secondary signs, so they are not going to pick up things like

that, but obviously I would leave it to those bets to comment on that.

Let's bring Jim Shirley Hutchinson of the German Shepherd Dog League of

Great Britain. What do you think of this particular blog? I saw the dog

in her class at Crufts, I watched to go round, she was relaxed and moved

well in her ring. We all then saw the video footage of her in the main

ring and everyone would agree the dog was very, very stressed, Berry

overwhelmed by the environment. It is not a natural environment for any

dog, and she reacted badly to it. This allowed for... Being videoed

looking extremely tense, very hunched up and unhappy, and the

whole of the German shepherd world is very upset that the dog reacted

in that way and has opened up this melee of claims of being deformed

and crippled, which is simply not true about this dog at all. Of

course you would expect, we asked the dog's owner to talk to us live

this morning but she said she is too upset to do that but said this:

I was blissfully unaware of all the negativity around one

of the best show days of my life until earlier on Monday.

I am both deeply shocked and terribly upset

by all the horrendous comments directed towards my beautiful Tori.

Words cannot express the heart wrenching experience that

This is so unreal I want to believe it is untrue and to wake up.

The comments made on television about my lovely German shepherd

were unbelievable, especially when one considers the brevity

How can you judge a dog on such a brief observation?

There is a clear lack of tolerance and knowledge

She went on to say, the dog's owner, at Crufts 2016, the vet examined my

bitch before she was presented with her Best In Breed certificate and

deemed her to have no visible condition which adversely affects

the health and welfare. It is the second Kennel Club check she has

passed in the last six months. The Kennel Club told us that concern

on the health of German Shepherd Dog League is reflected in the fact that

the breed is classed as class three under their scheme, and they added

many category three breeds have seen vast health improvements but they

know that some breeds have further to go and they will look at what

support they give to particular breeds to ensure continued

improvement, and will be reviewing judges who appeared to disregard the

health instructions they are different, since they play a

significant part in the process. Two interesting statements. James

Yates, fellow vet at Crufts were saying this dog is absolutely fine

but the Kennel Club saying there are improvements to be made in certain

breeds including German shepherd? I think this comes down to what the

vets are checking for, they not doing a full check on everything

that a pet owner who wanted to buy a puppy would expect them to check.

The other thing that is very clear from the quotation is that often

breeders and people watching Crufts are people who love dogs and that is

partly what is so sad about it all, but I think there is a bit of a

moral blindspot sometimes when you are breeding, some of these issues,

especially if you are in the breed and see all of these dogs other

similar shape, it is hard to identify how people from outside,

who are used to a normal healthy dog chain, what they are saying. I think

that does make it difficult to get changes amongst breeders and judges.

Could I just explain perhaps a little bit what happens when we have

the vet health check? I myself have had several blogs that have

undertaken the vet health checks, the vet goes over the dog very

thoroughly, checking their physical condition. The dogs are also moved

extensively, on many occasions I've been asked to move my dog not just

backwards and forwards and round and round but also twisting and turning,

lots of things like that, to make sure that the dog is physically fit

and not showing any signs of lameness or problems that would

cause that. I think it is very important to remember that since the

vet checks were introduced, I think in around 2013, no German shepherd

has ever failed a vet health check and it is a vital thing to remember.

The breed watch... Sorry to interrupt, when you said no German

shepherd has ever failed health checks, James Yates, as an RSPCA

vet, you smiled. Why? I think on all these tests, again, it is hard to

work out. There are two reasons why no German shepherd might have

failed. Either because all German shepherds have perfect health, which

seems unlikely for any population of dogs will stop all it suggests that

the tests are not set up to pick up everything that one might be

concerned about. Let me bring in two people who have been watching, Jan

in Devon has owned German Shepherd Dog League 30 years and Mark in

Wigan has been a dog trainer for 40 years. Thank you for getting in

touch, Jan, what do you think. That dog is not right. I have had long

and short head German shepherds all my life, a German shepherd dog's

back should be straight so when it holds up its tail, as they wanted to

do in Crufts, it is a natural straight line. I would never buy a

dog like that, I would be complaining and I would be getting

the breed looked at if it was selling me a dog like that. Jan,

could you turn your TV down so that we do not have the background noise?

Mark, can you hear me OK? Dog trainer for 40 years, what do you

think? It is a widespread problem, not just about focusing on this dog

that one at Crufts, to be honest. I'm coming across lots of different

breeds, has done for years. It has been a widespread problem. It is a

basic fact that once you get away from breeding a particular type of

dog for function which is one thing, so it can perform the task it was

bred to do, once you start to go into the show arena the

characteristics get exaggerated, hence the sloping back, etc, in this

particular blog, and it becomes not fit for function. Vets might tell

you it is a healthy dog and it has not been pulled up for its health,

but a friend of mine, for instance, picked up a German shepherd from a

breeder and one of its hips was virtually nonexistent in its hip

joint. The Kennel Club judge refused even the inference that it was a

problem. It has been widespread for a long, long time, the Kennel Club

habit in their powers to sort this out and have done nothing, they have

paid lip service to it over the last two years since some of the

horrendous problems came out, but it will not go away as long as judges

keep putting up for prizes dogs like this, and people will breed to that

standard because they get extra money for dogs from praise winning

stud lines, etc. Do you have any sympathy for the owner who has told

us she is distraught? She loves her animal. I have every sympathy for

her, but you don't need to be an expert to look and see that that dog

does not move as freely as it should. But people get caught up in

the trend of the particular time. If you look at photographs of German

shepherds from 40 years ago, they bear very little resemblance to the

dog of today. Shirley I know you wanted to come

back in. I think it is very important, I think there is an

important point made, that the Kennel Club is not doing enough, it

is about time that we had minimum health requirements, in order to

show not just a vet health check for best of breed but minimum health

requirements in order for the dog to show. For the Kennel Club to stop

registering puppies that from parents that have either got no

health tests at all, or have got poor health test results. This is

something that the GSD league has been discussing with the Kennel Club

and asked very much and promoting very much that they do something

along those line, and actually move towards going away from people, who

are just breeding, for having money. OK. Thank you all very much. Thank

you for coming on the programme. David Cameron backbench giving a

speech on the European referendum. He wants you to vote to stay? . Plus

match fixing in tennis, again, an Italian prosecutor says more than

two dozen top players should be investigated because their name

appears in evidence seized from gamblers allegedly trying to fix

games. We will bring you that story. Russian fighter planes have started

withdrawing from Syria, just hours after President Putin's

surprise announcement that the country had largely

achieved its military objectives. Western officials have

cautiously welcomed the move, saying it could pressure Syria's

government to engage in peace The Government is expected to back

plans to speed up work on building two major rail projects,

including a new high speed line An infrastructure report has

concluded that the north of England needs "immediate and significant"

transport investment. Families of children affected

by meningitis B will tell MPs why they want the vaccination programme

in the UK to be extended to children Currently, the vaccine is only

routinely given to infants. German police say they believe a

device caused a car to explode in Berlin many morning.

Pope Francis has announced that Mother Teresa of Calcutta,

the nun who dedicated her life to helping the poor,

will be made a Roman Catholic Saint in September.

The Nobel peace laureate died in 1997 at the age of 87.

Norwegian mass murderer Anders Breivik has given a Nazi

salute at the start of a court hearing on the conditions

He's suing the government, claiming that being kept

in isolation breaches his human rights.

Now some sport. Good morning, Leicester City's relentless and

remarkable charge towards the Premier League title continues, they

are five points clear of their nearest rivals with eight matches

left to play after a 1-0 win over Newcastle last night. Fantastic goal

that was by the way. Andy Murray has suffered a shock defeat to dell bone

necessary in the third round of the Indian wells tournament. It was his

first ATP singles competition since becoming a father. Better news for

Johanna Konta who is through the last 16 and will play Pliskova

tonight. And Willie Mullin has four red hot favourites running on the

opening day of the Cheltenham Festival. Any Power goes in the

feature race. More throughout the day on the BBC News channel.

More throughout the day on the BBC News channel.

"We're not the ones to be blamed", the words of a manager of a Romanian

haulage company who is going to the Court of Appeal tomorrow

to challenge fines after migrants were found in the back

So far his company has paid out more than ?3,000.

Marius Cuzmin says he is following Home Office guidelines on security

and is doing all he can to stop migrants boarding his vehicles.

It's the first such case for a decade.

Firms, including British ones, were fined more than ?6 million last

If the case succeeds, it could have huge implications

for the haulage industry, with more companies getting back

Marius Cuzmin, whose company is bringing the case,

is here, together with Jim Rushton, a lorry driver from Telford,

who faces a ?10,000 fine after five Afghans were found in the back

And Ahmad al-Rashid, a migrant from Aleppo in Syria

Heltenham Festival. Any Power goes in the feature race. More throughout

the day on the BBC News channel. Thank you for coming on the

programme. Let us begin with you Marius, tell us why you are taking

this to the Court of Appeal, what is your argument? Good morning. We feel

like everything that is going on, and it ends up on our shoulder,

blame, it is not the right thing, we are doing everything we can, every

day crossing into UK, we have incidents that we managed to see

before, to realise that there is actual migrant inside the trailer.

We reported, we have them, let's say removed from, from our vehicles, by

the French police, at those times there is no fine issued, but a lot

of the cargo is being damaged. Just to pause for a second, so the

audience knows we are showing footage now on television here in

Britain, to our audience that you have filmed of refugees and illegal

migrants in the back of some of your lorry, sorry, do continue. So it is

not only the fine which is, let us say the fact that is taking us to

this level, to the Court of Appeal, it is also all the trouble that we

go to, with our customers, with the cargo which has been damaged so many

times, like I said before, we are following everything which has been

recommended by the UK border force on their website, however, there are

times when the trucks are sealed, we don't have access to the cargo, and

we, although we go through the scanning device, which is mounted at

the entrance, at the tunnel entrance, that would be the first

checkpoint, then we go to the second checkpoint which is either an

inspection by the dogs that belong to the French border control, we had

this particular incident, when, the UK border force checkpoint, they

found three immigrants inside and we were penalised for it. So sorry, you

have been through two kind of, two security checks and still the

illegal migrants inside haven't been picked up with the scanners and the

rest of it? Yes, that I were not detected. Wow. OK. Let... It is

always that we go through all three checkpoints. Let me bring in Ahmad

who is sitting alongside me, 26 years of age, a refugee from Aleppo

in Syria, and you managed to get to the UK, in the back of a lorry,

having spent some time in Calais waiting for this opportunity because

a smuggler helped you do that, what did he do? Mainly the smuggler, they

got a set of tools, we work with them into different park, and they

use this tool to smuggle people, put people on the back of these lorries

or trucks. So the tools open the back of the lorries, Yes, they open

them, they are superintelligent, they open them and that relock them

again, so no-one is suspicious there is someone in the back of the lorry.

Advice did the smuggler give to you and fell row ref Lee -- refugees as

you got in the back The first thing, these are smuggler, they are human

trafficker, they, they tell you don't move while you are there, just

be motionless, so no-one will detect you.

What was it like in the back of the lorry. Horrendous, absolutely

horrendous, if people were given the opportunity to travel, you know,

with dignity, they wouldn't risk their lives, and to be the back a

lorry of a refrigeration truck. How many days were you in the truck

before it reached its destination. I spent three days in the back of

lorry. Before that three days sitting there, waiting for it to

move. Absolutely -- absolutely, it was in the port three days,

motionless, but I had food and water with me which the smuggler provided.

He said don't move, be motionless because if you move, the, the motion

sensors will detect you and they will be arrested. So how do you

respond when, when knowing that what you did was illegal? I mean, I first

of all, I really really feel so sorry for the lorry driver, for the

trucker drivers, because this is not their mistake, to be fined. So they,

there he is, he mentioned he crossed two security checks, so, it has

nothing do with the driver, to be blamed. The first place, I mean, we

should focus on the main Ron why these people are taking this illegal

way, if these people were given a chance, with to travel with dignity,

again, I am saying the word dignity, because these are people, you know,

travelling, risking their lives, everything, so if there was a system

in place, allowing people to travel on a ticket, no-one would risk his

life or her life in the back of a lorry. Marius, you have heard Ahmad,

you talked to each other, he feels a great deal of sympathy, what about

you to him? Well, I think we kind of share the same idea. Basically, it

is not us that created this magnet, for migrants that our trying to

reach UK, we are trying to make, let's say a job, to earn a living,

and we are part of ongoing fight between border force, and waves of

migrants, that try to reach the other side of the English Channel.

But it is not our battle. We are caught in the cross fire, and the

results are hurting us, very very bad, both on the financial aspect,

and nevertheless, our image, the customers, that will let's say

cancel further orders, if something has been destroyed, damaged, or

delayed by such incident, by migrant incidents. The cost of insurance

goes up, with every claim that is being let's say up for payment, and

there is nothing we can do. By no means drivers are let's say allowed

to get out of the vehicle, to come in contact with the migrants, and

try to remove them from the vehicles, always when there is

somebody inside. The drivers were sent directly to the first French

border control, we had to wait sometimes even two or three hours,

until a police crew arrived, the migrants were asked to go down from

the truck, and they were just sent away to where ever they wanted to

go. So nothing happened over there. Let me bring Ahmad back in, when the

truck you were in the back of arrived in Britain, did the driver

spot you then, what happened? No, that time the driver wasn't plenty,

so, the smuggler gave us a kind of play, he said you slash the back of

the lorry and you get out of that truck. Right. Where had you arrived?

Kind of place near, Grimsby, Hull. Hull. Grimsby. Near. Can I ask you

about another story which is directly relevant to you and your

family back home in Syria, which is about Russian troops, withdrawing

from Syria, they have been in the country, Vladimir Putin and ally of

President Assad, your President, he has been. Going various parts of

Syria in order to help President Assad, what do you think of this

withdrawal? First of all, we need to know that Russia came to Syria, to

help, and now they are withdrawing because they achieve their

potential. They bolstered Assad's position. In the future the Russian,

I mean co-ordinating they are Assad's best ally, so next in the

Geneva talks, anything Assad will be in a better position to have a bet

dealer. Right. Do you want to go back to your country or do you want

your family to come here? Absolutely, no one wants to leave

his own country, no one wants to leave their country and become a

refugee or a migrant and cause trouble to the lorry drivers and

everyone. So I hope the war will come to an end to. Me and thousands,

tens of thousands, millions now, over 5 million people are hoping, 5

million people in refuge are hoping the war will come to an end soon so

they can go back to their land and home country. What do you want to

do? I really hope to go back in the near future, now I have the

opportunity to continue my masters in post-conflict studies so I can go

back and be a part of rebuilding the country. Let me ask you a final

question, why did you travel such a distance to come to Britain? Why

Britain, why not somewhere else on your journey? The two main reasons

for me, I can't say for other people, the first main reason is the

language. I speak some English, it would save me at least two, three

years learning German, Swedish, other languages. The most important

reason is the Family Reunion process in the UK is faster compared to

other European EU countries. Thank you very much for coming on the

programme. Refugee from Aleppo came to Britain in the back of a lorry.

And also ever prevented from the Romanian truck company who will be

going to the Court of Appeal tomorrow to try to appeal those

fines. A Home Office spokesperson told of

the Government has invested tens of millions of pounds to reinforce

security at the border in northern France. They said, the civil penalty

regime is a wider part of our response to tackle illegal

immigration and exists to ensure that all drivers are taking

reasonable measures to stop migrants from boarding their lorries. We are

currently consulting on proposals to modernise the regime to reflect both

developments in technology and available to hauliers and operators

and the tactics used by migrants. Still to come: The new

species of the T-Rex which could hold the key to how

these creatures grew so huge. Tennis fans reacted with shock

when it was alleged their sport had turned a blind eye to evidence that

top players have been throwing matches in return for huge sums

of cash paid to them by gamblers. Now a further investigation

by the BBC and Buzzfeed adds to the pressure on the

tennis authorities. An Italian prosecutor,

who's already pursuing cases against two players,

has said that he believes many Our investigative reporter

Simon Cox can tell us more. What happy found out this time?

As you mentioned, we have been talking to the Italian prosecutor,

he has spent two years on this inquiry into tennis match fixing, he

has tens of thousands of documents, phone taps, Internet chat logs. We

have managed to get hold of hundreds of those confidential documents,

including these chapped logs which start in 2007 between an accountant

from Bologna and a tennis player who is a former top 50 Italian player.

Here is some of what they said... It is interesting looking at those,

they start in 2007, they carry on for four years, those chats between

the gambler and this particular player, but there are lots of other

chat logs as well, conversations with gamblers and players.

Did tennis know about Daniele Bracciali?

They did, interestingly. In our previous story, when I sat here

talking about it in January, there had been a report prepared for

tennis in 2008, a year-long inquiry looking at suspicious matches and

there had been repeated warning sent to tennis by bookmakers about

Daniele Bracciali and the other player, that the Italians have

accused of conspiracy to fix matches. The recommendation in 2008

-- in 2008 that these players needed to be looked at, tennis decided they

did not need to be looked at, but if they had, these chat logs that the

prosecutor has now found years later and is using as evidence to

prosecute these players. Is it just these two players in this

evidence? No, there are over two dozen top

level players mentioned in the evidence, lots of them non-Italian.

We talked to the prosecutor, Roberto Di Matteo, and he said he could not

look at the other players, you looked at the Italians but the

others are out of his jurisdiction, the matches were not taking place in

Italy, some of them Wimbledon, some at the French Open that he says are

suspicious that he would like to see looked at, but he was clear about

what he would like to see happen to these players.

What does tennis say? We asked, are they looking at the

players mentioned in the evidence? Bidded not give us a response to

that. They said they have set about independent review after our story

in January, which is looking at match-fixing. Any new evidence they

would look at. What is interesting, though, when we spoke to the

prosecutor he said be tennis integrity unit had been to see him a

few months ago but were only interested in Italian players, they

didn't seem to be interested in the international ones, so going forward

what we are furious to see is whether the independent review will

look at the evidence he has got. If people want to hear more, how can

they? They can listen to night on Radio 4

at 8pm. Thank you.

A newly-discovered species of tyrannosaur, the group

of meat-eating dinosaurs which includes T-Rex,

could hold the key to how these creatures grew so huge.

Scientists from the University of Edinburgh, along with US

and Russian colleagues, discovered the fossilised remains

A study of the 90 million-year-old creature suggested its ears

and brain were crucial to its dominance.

With me now is Dr Manabu Sakamoto, a palaeontologist from

Good morning. What do you think of this theory that what is crucial to

its height is the development of the brain? I think it is interesting, it

is something we see repeatedly in other groups of animals, where

certain features, key features, have evolved before another feature, like

four instance flight in birds as well, the feathers are actually in

fossilised dinosaur is before they are in birds, then that adaptation

allowed later on for birds to become flyers. You have these features

appearing earlier in evolution, and then that enabled, for some reason,

the acquisition of other traits, like in the case of the tyrannosaur

a large body size. So is what they are finding at the University of

Edinburgh really exciting for people like yourself, a palaeontologist?

Absolutely, really exciting, yes, because the background for this that

would excite us is that we knew for a long time that things like T-Rex,

the very big giants of the late Cretaceous period, going to really

close up to the 66 million year extinction time, the last of the

dinosaurs, and one of the biggest dinosaurs around, the biggest

carnivorous dinosaurs around, sorry, we have known them for a very long

time but only recently we have found evidence of their smaller ancestors,

all species that are closely related but much smaller. But they are very,

very old in time, there was a very big gap between the small ancestors

and the giants of the late audacious, so this specimen actually

fills that gap putting nicely in terms of the time, the geological

time. So there was a gap in the fossil record and this is not the

final piece in the jigsaw but another piece? Yes, a classic

missing link case, we are filling in all the gaps. Not all of them, but

slowly filling in a lot of gaps, more recent discoveries from China

are doing that, too, and surprisingly, maybe surprisingly to

some people, but Europe has some very early tyrannosaur is as well.

The one that has been found is a close cousin of T-Rex but much, much

smaller, the size of what? They are saying about the size of a horse.

And what does the school reveal? They found the brain case have

certain features, especially be ear canals, the inner ear, shoving

features that are consistent, similar to what you would find in

the giants of the late Cretaceous. What that means is they have an

elongated tube that enabled them to hear very low frequencies. I have to

pause you there, but thank you so much. The music is coming on! Thank

you for watching today, back tomorrow at 9:15am. Have a good day.

On Easter week 1916, a band of Irish rebels seized control of Dublin.

For six days they held out against the might of the British Empire.

Three of the rebels who held Dublin city that week were my uncles

I'm going to re-trace my uncles' steps.