31/03/2016 Victoria Derbyshire

Emergency talks in Downing Street this morning to try

and save Britain's biggest steel-making company.

We'll look at the options open to Ministers and ask whether jobs

Could a radical rethink of the way we punish young criminals

We have exclusive access to a Spanish treatment centre

where a softer approach seems to work.

And we hear from a British youngster who was sent

there when he was arrested on holiday.

I was probably one of the worst out of my friends.

Since I have been here, I have been talking to my

friends and I have kept quite a few of them out of trouble.

They have changed their ways through the stuff

And could pioneering research into childrens' cancers lead to more

tailored treatments and better outcomes?

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Your pertinent experiences are relevant.

David Cameron will chair an emergency

meeting in Downing Street to discuss the government's options for saving

Britain's biggest steel-making company.

He'll be joined by ministers and senior officials

from across Whitehall, including the Treasury,

Department for Business, and the Welsh Office.

It's in response to Tata Steel's decision to seek buyers

It's understood the government is seeking re-assurances from Tata

that it won't close its plants before a buyer can be found.

Our political correspondent Tom Bateman reports.

The ovens still burn at the Port Talbot steel plant,

The latest crisis for this industry was sparked when the Indian company

Tata Steel said it would sell off its entire UK operation,

The government says it's doing all it can to support the sale,

but with no obvious buyer for a business losing ?1 million

a day Labour thinks it should potentially

Intervene to ensure the industry survives, intervene to ensure

someone else buys it and there is an industry in Britain. But the

principle has to be maintaining a steel industry.

The steel for Britain's the new aircraft carriers was made

There is national pride and intense politics at play here,

with one former senior military figure

warning it would be unforgivable if the UK stopped making steel.

The industry has been brought to the point of collapse

by high energy costs and cheap steel imports from China.

But ministers think nationalisation wouldn't work, believing it's not

The government is under intense pressure to find a solution

as durable as the steel forged in these furnaces.

Both the cost and dealing with tough EU rules against propping up ailing

industries means they have their work cut out.

Option five is the nightmare scenario so they are all really

difficult options. The thing that I found slightly worrying this morning

is not detecting a bundle of confidence from government that they

can sort this. That is because there is a nagging fear that Tata Steel

may not actually be in the market to sell the steel plants. There is a

concern that may be their true intention is to close them down.

Why? Do they really want to sell this steel plant to a competitor who

would then be up against them? In other words, they would be causing

problems for themselves by selling them to another competitor. There's

also a concern that Tata Steel may run out of patience with losing ?1

million per day. There is real apprehension in government over

whether they are going to be able to save the steel industry, despite all

of the rhetoric and the end of life promises we have -- and the promises

we have heard in the past Reds rows. It is worth explaining to the people

who have watched whether the UK how important this steel plant is to the

people in your area. Let's put it into perspective, there's been a

steelworks in Port Talbot for over a century. This one behind me that

Tata Steel currently own has been here for 60 years. Since they took

it over, there was around 10,000 people working here but every year

since, there's been job losses, around a couple of thousand every

year. Really, to put it into perspective, it estimated that for

every one job at the plant, it supports four in the Logan area.

Even though there is 4000 or 5000 working here, it would be

catastrophic if the plant was to go and the job losses would be felt

across town. We have spoken to local businesses in the last few days and

they say if this was to go, they would have to close as well. At the

moment there is some confusion in terms of what exactly the government

is doing and some anxiety in terms of the future but also anger that

the government won't step in to help because as Norman says, it is

difficult to see where a private buyer would come from, considering

the losses this place is making. The only action they can see if the

governance stepping in to buy it in the interim period. Thank you for

joining us. And now with the rest of the day's

news, here's Julian. British scientists are beginning

research which could dramatically improve the treatment

of children who have cancer. The research at the Royal Marsden

Hospital in London is aimed at finding newer, more personalised

treatments and involves carrying out genetic tests on tumours from young

people who have been diagnosed Scientists say it should

accelerate their access to important new drugs and increase

survival rates. And coming up on the programme

at 9:30am, we'll be talking to a mother and her son

about surviving a brain A review of end-of-life care

in England suggests some hospitals are failing to provide

round-the-clock specialist Experts at the Royal College

of Physicians say while there has been some improvement in the last

two years, there were still unacceptable variations in care such

as providing drugs or help with drinking water in the final

hours of life. Julie Coombs' father Paul

was diagnosed with cancer last year. He spent some of his last

months in hospital before She says they didn't

get enough support. Palliative care came

for about five minutes. Obviously in the hospital

bed with everyone round Today's report is the first

since the Liverpool Care Pathway, a practice which was scrapped two

years ago for failing in its mission to allow patients

to die with dignity. Researchers say things have

since improved in almost every area, They found that in a

third of 9,000 cases looked at, there was no written

evidence that patients' ability to eat and drink had been assessed

in their last days of life. In around a fifth, there

was no written report that do not resuscitate orders had

been discussed with relatives. And, despite the fact

that most hospitals had access to specialist palliative

care, only 11% offered it In order to be better, we need to

have a better allocation of front line, specially trained palliative

care doctors and nurses available in all hospitals.

NHS England says this report presents

just a snapshot of end-of-life care within hospitals,

but there are clear variations across England and improvements

A new approach aimed at cutting re-offending rates among teenagers

in Spain appears to be achieving success and is being recommended

Activities including football, gardening and beekeeping have been

introduced at Spanish youth prisons to create a different ethos among

inmates with a focus on education and rehabilitation.

Re-offending rates appear to have fallen in areas of Spain

where the changes have been introduced.

The US presidential candidate Donald Trump has performed a rapid

U-turn after saying that women who have abortions should be

The Republican frontrunner issued a statement last night saying that

if abortion was outlawed, then doctors who perform them

would be held responsible, not their patients.

Hours earlier, on the cable network MSNBC, Mr Trump said women who have

terminations should be held responsible.

Do you believe in punishment for abortion, yes or no, as a principle?

The answer is that there has to be some form of punishment.

Ten years? What?

You take positions on everything else.

I do take positions on everything else,

Russia has criticised a plan to station thousands of additional

American troops around eastern Europe.

About 4,000 soldiers will be deployed to the region

The United States says it's specifically due to what it calls

A flying visit earlier this month by the Russian president to Crimea.

It's two years since Russia annexed the peninsula,

sending relations between Moscow and the West

to the lowest point since the Cold War.

The senior US commander in Europe, here being honoured

in Lithuania, has now said additional American

troops will be sent to reassure Nato allies

There are currently 62,000 US service personnel permanently

There will be 4,200 more under this new plan.

The Foreign Secretary, on a visit to Georgia,

is calling on Russia to re-engage with the West.

Russia ignores the norms of international conduct and breaks

the rules of the international system.

That represents a challenge and a threat to all of us.

What we all want is for Russia to play a constructive role

Moscow and Washington have been working together

to try to bring an end to five years of civil war in Syria,

And Russia has hit back, saying it will not passively watch

It promised to take all necessary measures to respond

to the increase in US troops and called

on Nato to give up what it described as a policy of confrontation.

The Pentagon has told the US Congress that it is to transfer

about a dozen detainees at Guantanamo Bay to at least two

countries that have agreed to take them.

They are understood to include a Yemeni man who's been on hunger

91 prisoners are currently held at the US naval base.

Last month, President Obama set out his goal to close the facility

The cost of funerals has risen so much that families increasingly

face going into debt in order to bury or cremate a loved one.

A committee of MPs is calling for the government to increase

the funds available to help with funeral costs.

The benefit has been frozen at ?700 since 2003.

That's despite the average funeral now costing ?3,700,

A farmer who built a mock-Tudor castle hidden behind a pile of straw

Robert Fidler thought he'd got round the green belt planning laws

by hiding the building near Redhill in Surrey.

He was first ordered to pull it down in 2007 and was recently told

he must comply by June 6th this year or face jail.

The new 12-sided ?1 coin has gone into production,

The coins have started rolling off the Royal Mint production line

at a rate of more than 4,000 a minute.

They will come into use from March 17th next year and eventually

replace the current round version, which has become too easy to forge.

That's a summary of the latest BBC News -

In a moment, we are going to hear about a pretty radical approach to

treating young offenders which involves lots of education and

activities and seems to be cutting reoffending rates in Spain will stop

we would love to hear your views, especially if you have served a

sentence or you work in a prison or young offenders Institute. Get in

touch throughout the morning. Text messages charged at the standard

network rate and that film is coming up in a couple of minutes. Time for

the sport and even more concerns about the 2222 World Cup in Qatar?

The rights group Amnesty International has accused Qatar

of using forced labour at their flagship stadium

Amnesty says workers at Khalifa International Stadium

are forced to live in squalid accommodation, pay huge recruitment

fees, have wages withheld and passports confiscated.

They're accusing Fifa of "failing almost completely" to stop

the tournament being "built on human rights abuses".

While Fifa say they're committed to improving the protection

of workers' rights, the Qatar government claim the welfare

of migrant workers is a "top priority".

Amnesty thinks proposed reforms would make little difference and say

some of the workers are enduring a "living nightmare".

Gary Neville has been sacked as manager of Spanish side Valencia

It was his first job in management but the former Manchester United

and England defender won just three of 16 league games,

leaving them six points clear of the relegation zone in La Liga.

Neville says results hadn't met his or the club's standards

It is obviously difficult coming to Spain anyway and being a manager

where you really have to be vocal and speak the language. It is

obviously a difficult situation but I felt that given time, he has shown

how much he knows about football. It is obviously a shame he has got

sacked but I'm sure he will bounce back stronger. He will have learned

from the experience and I'm sure it will stand him in good stead for the

future. further than the women by reaching

the final of the World T20 cricket where they'll face the winner

of West Indies against India, and Chris Jordan restricted

New Zealand to 153-8. And Jason Roy made

a mockery in reply - crashing 78 off 44 balls as England

reached their target with ease. Having won the tournament

in 2010, they're all set They are a very exciting group of

young cricketers that we have got in the English team. You know, when you

have that much power in the batting line-up and skills with the ball,

you are going to win games. There is no ceiling to these guys. They

really have gone out there and enjoyed the cricket. They have

performed exceptionally well. British No 1 Johanna Konta is out

of the Miami Open tennis, beaten in the finals

by world NO 8 Victoria Konta is the first British woman

to reach the last eight of the tournament but went

out in straight sets. She would have broken into the world

top 20 had she reached the final. And Annika Sorenstam will be

Europe's captain for next year's The Swede won ten majors as a player

and is the most successful European in the tournament's

history, alongside Laura Davies. She was a vice-captain when Europe

lost to the United States last I'll have the headlines

for you at 9:30. David Cameron will chair

an emergency meeting in Downing Street this morning

to discuss the government's options for saving Britain's biggest

steel-making company. The Shadow Chancellor,

John McDonnell joins me What should the government be doing?

If there isn't an immediate buyer, then they should stabilise it. We

should put in a restructuring plan and a lot of that has come from the

management and workforce already. It does need government support. One of

the issues we thought would come from the budget, would be support

from the business rates. It is about making sure we bring forward our

infrastructure projects using British Steel, so there is a

long-term plan for infrastructure so we use British Steel and safeguard

the industry in the long term and the jobs in the short term.

Nationalise it, what does that mean in Pratt Tickle cash terms? It will

mean using the business rates support, we will use business rates

to support the industry. The business rates issue is a separate

issue, you wanted to be reduced for big manufacturing companies like

steel-making. What does it mean to nationalise it in terms of

taxpayer's money? The company is saying it is losing just over one

billion pounds a year. In the short term, if we nationalise the, we

would have to cover some of those . Some? It depends on the

restructuring process. We have done this in the past, the government

introduced the car scrappage scheme to protect the car industry, it did

turn it around and we have a viable car industry. In Europe, they

subsidise for a period and then turn the industry around. The issue we

are facing the moment is the dumping of Chinese steel in the short term.

We will need a long-term steel industry in this country if we want

to develop our manufacturing and industry base. Government

intervention at this stage is appropriate and the right thing to

do. That is why we are saying to the Prime Minister, recall Parliament

and have a discussion about this plan to save the industry and jobs.

Not just the interests of local people, but the interests of the

country overall. You are saying tax payers money should fill the gap

until a private buyer can be found? Possibly. If a private buyer doesn't

want anything to do with it because it is a loss-making business, then

what? We want to maintain a public stake. We feel this industry could

be turned round if we get government support in the short long-term

investment in using British Steel. That is happening across Europe will

stop we should be protecting our own steel industry, the weight of the

countries are doing. Sorry to interrupt, I want to be clear about

what you are saying. That means making people who want to buy steel

in this country, making them by British Steel even if it is more

expensive than Chinese steel? One of the projects we have been bringing

forward have been based on public documents, government investment.

Other countries protect their industry and jobs. What is the point

of putting it out to tender if they are forced to by British Steel? A

lot of it will be about making sure we have the appropriate steel

production for what we need in the long term and that means public

procurement. That is used extensively to purchase British

goods for British services. Remember, it isn't just about the

loss of jobs here. If those jobs go and it could be up to 40,000 jobs,

we will be paying people to be on the dole rather than at work. Howell

communities will be devastated, that is why we need government

intervention. We did it in the car manufacturing industry and we can do

it here. Work with the private sector as much as we can. Viewers

will be saying we did it with the banking industry and then resold

back the stakes in some at a loss. Daphne Sane, stop the millions of

overseas aid to India and use that money to rescue the plant. The

figures are different, but I remember the Labour government

backing the private Phoenix consortium bid to buy MG Rover in

2000 and spending over five years, 6.5 million pounds of taxpayer's

money to keep it afloat and then it went bust anyway. Could that happen

with Tata steelworks? We need a long-term steel industry in this

country. We need to stop the dumping of Chinese steel, but that needs

cooperation from European partners. But our government hasn't supported

some of the measures we need across Europe to protect the industry. We

can overcome the short term issue of this dumping of Chinese steel, then

enable us to have the breathing space to turn industry around. As I

said, we did do it with the car industry with the car scrappage

scheme. The government cannot stand to one side and the moment they seem

to be in a bit of disarray. Reconvene parliament, let's have a

plan brought forward that we can support hopefully on a cross-party

basis, take the politics out of this and save the jobs. And more

importantly, we do not lose an industry we will desperately need in

the future as we rebuild our manufacturing base. One final

question, the one billion a year Tata is losing, you are suggesting

should come from taxpayers at least in the short-term, where would it

come from? This is a matter of government priorities. That is why I

said in the recent budget, we shouldn't be cutting capital gains

tax that went to the 5% of the richest people in our country.

Corporation tax tax at the lowest level when corporations are not

investing. So reverse those tax cuts? The government has got to get

its priorities right, which means investing for the long-term future

to protect our industries, but develop them and make them

successful, rather than the short term tax gimmicks they keep throwing

away. We all lose out in the future and future generations. Thanks for

talking to us, John McDonnell, the Shadow Chancellor from Westminster.

Quite a few of you saying what is the difference between this steel

plant and the banks a number of years ago just after the recession?

You can get in touch in the usual ways.

offenders in custody is not good enough".

That's what the Government itself says.

Everyone seems to agree that the British youth justice

What's harder is working out how to improve things so that our high

One nation which prides itself on the way it's been cutting youth

BBC London's home affairs correspondent Nick Beake travelled

to the south east Spanish coast - to find out how they do it

and was given exclusive access to where young offenders

I owe it my life, really because this place gave me my life,

put us back on track and made me who I am today.

Because no way, he's not the same boy.

We have a new boy and we are very happy for that, yes.

What we need to give to these kids is what they have not

It is a reunion neither of them could have imagined

John was a British young offender, locked up abroad.

Esther was one of those trying to help him.

But he was one of the most difficult children they had ever met.

When he was 15 and on a family holiday in Alicante,

John robbed a man at knife-point and was jailed.

But three years here changed him for good.

Before I came to this place, I was in England, in at least eight

different times, eight different centres with

And I've come out here, and just the once in Spain

and that is it, they sorted me out, just that one time.

It has done the world of good for me.

It has made me who I am today, basically.

So how did Spain succeed where the UK failed?

The La Zarza re-educational centre in south-east Spain is probably

the most striking youth prison in the whole of the country.

Dangerous offenders are given axes to do gardening.

They look after the goats and other animals if they have

This is the first time British cameras have been allowed in.

We agreed not to show the teenagers' faces.

Alex tells us he became a burglar at the age of 11,

Now 14, he says he regrets what he did.

TRANSLATION: At the beginning, it is pretty tough.

You don't know what you have got until you have lost it.

You have got to get used to not having your friends and family here.

17-year-old Ever is a third of the way into her ten-month

The judge who sentenced her is visiting today to check

That is something that does not happen in the UK.

TRANSLATION: Being here makes you see how things really are.

For example, I was allowed out on Sunday and I saw that

if I was good, I could enjoy myself and I did not have to play up

The only time the prisoners are in their rooms is for a 45-minute

At some young offenders institutions in the UK, it can be

Here, they are kept occupied from dawn until dusk.

With activities like beekeeping as well as everything else they have

got here, this is miles away from the youth prisons we are used

But the people who run this place insists it is not just

about the environment and their surroundings.

They believe they can bring their philosophy to the UK.

This sort of secure school, with a focus on education

and rehabilitation, is now being considered

That is because the charity Diagrama claim only 20% of the inmates

leaving their Spanish prisons reoffend, much lower than the 67%

Diagrama are a not-for-profit organisation and they now run nearly

They say the one thing that makes the difference above everything else

is the role of their so-called educators.

They are a bit like an older brother or sister and join

Each educator has at least one degree and gives daily direction,

discipline and endless encouragement to the inmates.

TRANSLATION: You can't constantly be telling them,

"You're bad, you're evil, you killed someone".

You have to see the positive and make them aware

You can't be giving them a hard time from day one about how bad

You also have to realise they can do good.

You have to realise they are capable of positive things, however small.

By learning to value those things, they will value their life.

There are 25 hours of classroom lessons, including languages

and maths, every week, on top of all the other activities.

Unlike in the UK, young offenders serve all their sentence in the same

place, helping them build strong relationships with the staff.

But just how much does this system cost?

Well, Spanish authorities say it is ?70,000 per child per year.

At similar sized institutions in England and Wales,

The explanation is that wages are lower in Spain and these centres

They do have security guards but they have much less to do.

15-year-old Cristiano attacked both his parents and put his

His mum, Deborah, says it has taken time but finally,

her son is accepting the help on offer and her family

We can come out all together and that, we never did before.

For us, we can say, we can speak about a miracle, for us.

It is a miracle, for us, for the moment, touch wood.

Because, no way, he is not the same boy.

We have a new boy and we are very happy for that.

Of course, there are those who say all of this is soft justice,

a holiday camp for young criminals who don't deserve it and who should

This is far away from a holiday camp.

If you ask any kid here, they would say they would not

want to be here because it is not that fun.

But we don't need to make them, how do you say, miserable,

Being in a miserable place because they are

What we need to do is to cheer them up in terms of making them learn.

Learning should be a good experience.

John's return to the centre in Alicante has brought

But he is convinced that in the future, the Spanish approach

could help the toughest young offenders in Britain.

In the position I was in, I was probably one of the worst ones

Since I have been here, I have been talking to my friends

and I've kept quite a few of them out of trouble.

They have changed their ways through the stuff that I have

If there was a centre, if there were centres in England

where they could learn those ways, the way to go in life,

then they would have done it themselves, you know what I mean?

The British government agrees big changes are needed

But will it really invest the time and money needed to make this

Later in the programme we'll be hearing from people who've been sent

In the programme, we will hear from a mother whose 27-year-old son was

stabbed to death and a man who spent two in Feltham Young offenders

institution in Middlesex for GBH with intent. He was there from 16 to

eating. We will ask them what they think of a Spanish approach. Your

views are welcome. Maureen says, rehabilitation courses have a low

success rate and early intervention is a vital tool and prison is not

always the answer. The pioneering research

into children's cancers which could lead to more tailored

treatments and better outcomes. And what's led to a delay

in the government's controversial We will find out in the next half an

hour. Julian is in the BBC Newsroom

and has more on that and a summary The Prime Minister is chairing

a meeting in Downing Street to discuss the crisis

gripping the steel industry, after Britain's biggest producer,

Tata, announced plans The Business Secretary Sajid Javid

says he's looking at some kind of government support,

but nationalisation is not the answer for Tata's largest plant,

the Port Talbot works in south Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn

said he was "shocked" A review of end of life care in

England suggest some hospitals are failing to provide round the clock

specialist care to patients. It showed only 116 of 142 hospital

site. -- 16 of 140 to offer help 20 browser day. Experts at the well

College of resistance to lead the study say while there has been some

improvement, though still a long way to go to ensure that all dying

patient looked after properly. Thousands of drivers are causing

crashes on purpose every year so that they can make money out

of fraudulent compensation claims, according to figures

from one insurance company. The scam is

known as cash for crash. Insurance company Aviva says that

3,000 claims of this type were made last year, with Birmingham coming

out as the worst hot spot The company says they dealt

with such claims every three And coming up - we'll be speaking

to the owner of a van hire company who believes he has been the victim

of the crash for cash scam. A new approach aimed at cutting

re-offending rates among teenagers in Spain appears to be achieving

success and is being recommended Activities including

football, gardening and beekeeping have been introduced at Spanish

youth prisons to create a different ethos among inmates with a focus

on education and rehabilitation. Re-offending rates appear to have

fallen in areas of Spain where the changes

have been introduced. Donald Trump, the man who has

big-footed his way to the forefront of the Republican race to be

president, now finds himself in the midst of a highly public

back-tracking on one of the most contentious issues in American

politics - abortion. On Wednesday,

he told an interviewer on MSNBC if abortion was made illegal,

women should be punished He's now said the doctor carrying

out an abortion should be Some years ago, he described

himself as "pro-choice". That's a summary of

the latest BBC News. Thank you for your messages about

what the government should do regarding the steel industry in this

country. John says, "As a former miner who lost my job, I feel for

the steel workers but the same thing happened to the mining industry,

thousands lost their jobs so what is so special about the steel industry.

The government did not help the mining industry so why should they

bail out steel?" Mike says, "Support the steelworks as we supported the

banks". The rights group Amnesty

International has accused Qatar of using forced labour

at their flagship stadium for the 2022 World Cup,

and says workers are Both the Qatar government and Fifa

claim they're committed England's men managed to go one

further than the women by reaching They'll face the winner

of West Indies against India, And British No 1 Johanna Konta

is out of the Miami Open tennis, beaten in the quarterfinals by world

No 8 Victoria Azarenka. I'll be back at 10am

with our correspondent Richard Conway, who has more on that

story on the conditions for migrant workers at the World

Cup stadium in Qatar. Next, the BBC can exclusively reveal

that British scientists are beginning work to

genetically test tumours Adults with cancer get

this treatment already - but cancer treatments for young

people are lagging behind. The aim is that children

will get access to newer, more personalised medicines

which will improve survival rates. Jane Dreaper is our

health correspondent. Good morning. Why are treatments for

children not as advanced as those for adults? Children rarely get

cancer which is of course a good thing but it means there are not

huge numbers of them to test new treatments on. There is really

exciting work going on in cancer medicine, drugs coming into the

field which target the cancer cells and leave healthy cells alone. It is

far less painful treatment for people to go through. You can see

the obvious advantages. But children are not getting the same kind of

access to these treatments. All the effort by the drug companies tends

to be focused on adults. What the scientists are doing this genetic

testing hope is that they will find out lots of detailed information

about the genetic changes in each cancer tumour that they are testing.

It will give them a case for doctors to say, we think this drug could

work on this child, and a much more targeted approach in the future. If

it is more targeted and more bespoke, if you like, what

difference could it make to a child with cancer? The hope is it might

spare then some of the side-effects which we are no are very similar to

that, from chemotherapy and radiotherapy, which can be hugely

punishing for children and adults. Is it just a pilot scheme? It is

research work which is beginning in London but will spread to children

being treated at 21 hospitals in the UK in the next two years. They aim

to test around 400 children's tumours in the next two years. It is

difficult to know how many children it will make a big difference to

immediately but they think it will give the case for at least some

having access to better, more effective modern treatment. Thank

you for joining us. Let's introduce you to Jack Daly,

who was diagnosed with a brain tumour when he was seven,

and his mum Helen. How are you? Thank you for joining

us. Jack, how old were you when you were diagnosed? Seven. What do you

remember about the treatment? I just remember it was a horrible thing to

have. As long as it was to cure and get rid of the cancer, it would be

all right. But actually, the after-effects have affected my life

now, with things like sensory issues, anxiety, fatigue. But

mainly, just stress, really. So you initially had surgery followed by

chemotherapy and then radiotherapy? Yes. I think as a result of that

treatment, you have to have a growth hormone injection every day which is

just another illustration of how your daily life has changed. Yes.

Helen, for most parents, it is unimaginable, thinking what they

would do if their child had cancer. Take us back to when Jack was seven.

I think you had an instinct that it potentially was a tumour. It is

every parent's nightmare, you don't think it will happen. Jack was being

sick everyday, every morning and had headaches. It went on for about

eight weeks. I took him to the GP and had about three visits and

finally, Jack was being sick in the car park of the surgery so we had to

go to A When you were eventually told the diagnosis, how did you

react? Shocked. Even though I had an inkling, to be told your child has a

brain tumour was just shopping. I could not really take it in. -- just

shocking. We were rushed by ambulance to the hospital. Tell us

about the treatment, starting with surgery and after that? Jack had two

operations, the first to relieve the fluid in his brain which was what

was making him feel sick. That had built up from the tumour, blocking

the tubes. And then after that, he had the tumour removed. How long was

that operation? Eight or nine hours but it felt like a weak! I'm sure it

did. Presumably, you did not know what the outcome would be after that

operation? We did not know if Jack would wake up as Jack. It was a very

worrying time. After that, chemotherapy and radiotherapy which,

as we know, you know, is very good at killing and destroying cancer

cells but also destroys the healthy cells as well. From your point of

view, how is Jack different in terms of his daily life? Well, it starts

at 6am. It is hard to wake him up because he suffers with fatigue. He

has his tablets to wake him up, thyroxine, cortisone. Then he is

quite anxious through the day. He goes to school and worries about

everything. His memory has really been affected. We are always losing

things. But you know, we were very lucky that the treatment saved his

life. But in terms of this story today,

this genetic testing of tumours, to hopefully create more effective and

tailor treatments for children, what do you think of that? It would make

a huge difference. You could target children's' specific needs, every

child is different, every tumour is different. What do you think, Jack?

I think it would be really good. I don't want other children to go

through the same thing I went through. It is not good. It has done

its job, but it has left all these after effects. How do you think

about the future, you are only 14, maybe you don't think that far

ahead, but what do you think of the future having experienced what you

have over the last seven years or so? I will always have these after

effects, maybe it might get better. I don't think it will ever go. We

will have two just deal with it. It is life changing. Thank you very

much, Helen. Jack, thank you so much. All the best. Thank you.

The latest controversy to come from the presidential campaign

of Donald Trump, as he says women should be punished for having

an abortion, before backtracking on his comments.

Then he performed a U-turn saying the dock are responsible should be

punished, not the woman. We will bring you the details.

The government's blanket ban on legal highs has been delayed

The plan had been for any substance capable of producing

a psychoactive effect, that is affecting the brain in some

But it's been postponed following claims the legislation's

current definition a psychoactive drug is not enforceable

Legal highs are substances which produce the same,

or similar effects, to drugs such as cocaine and ecstasy.

Danny Kuchlick is the Head of External Affairs at Transform,

a charitable think tank that campaigns for the legal regulation

Hello. What do you think is behind this delay? The act itself has been

an object of ridicule as it has gone through various stages of the bill.

The attempt to define what a psychoactive substance is, as

distinct from other activities or even internal chemicals that can

make individuals, to make them feel good. It is difficult to make a

distinction between a drug and something like a pheromone. Or

incense, there was a letter written to the drugs Minister at the Home

Office from someone in the Church of England asking whether incense would

fall under the ban. Lord Bates in the House of Lords, defending the

bill, had to make an argument that alcohol wasn't a psychoactive

substance, according to the definition. There is a problem of

formulating and act like this in order to do one job. It is not about

protect Ding harm, it is not about looking after people and looking

after health, it is closing head shops. What would the motivation be

from the government? Let's look at the evidence, in Ireland where it

has been done, they did close the head shops. All the trade went

underground. All the things that were sold in head shops were now

sold by illegal drug dealers. The supply is still there and people are

using it. And they are using it in larger numbers than before the act

came in. In Poland it has caused harm because people know even less

about what they are using. It has driven the trade into the hands of

illegal drug dealers, as one would have expect it. The only thing we

have to remember here is the legal highs market is created by the

prohibition of drugs like cannabis, ecstasy and cocaine. We have a

situation where government legislation, the misuse of drugs act

1971 has created a gap in the market for legal highs and they are using

another prohibition to kibosh that market. It is crazy, building

insanity upon insanity. We need to legally regulate traditional drugs

and that will collapse the legal highs market and it won't exist any

more because people will prefer to use drugs they know and understand

drugs that have been used for hundreds and in some cases,

thousands of years. I will come back to your point you want to legally

regulate traditional drugs, but in terms of this delay on this and on

legal highs, the reason it might not be enforceable is because the police

could potentially go into these head shops and would not be able to be

clear about what was a legal high, and what wasn't, is that the bottom

line? That is the bottom line. It is so badly drafted, it is shameful for

all of the political parties that support it. The Tories, Labour Party

and SNP all backed this lousy legislation which is only going to

produce harm. You want to legislate illegal drugs, what does that mean?

Take it out of the hands of dealers and putting it back into the hands

of government. Sorry, what? You mean the government would describe drugs

or sell drugs? Some of them would be prescribed, some of them would be

dispensed from pharmacies and some would be sold under licence. We have

those methods in place and a lot of those drugs are already dispensed in

that way. Cocaine is produced for the legal cocaine market. Heroin,

half of the world's opium is grown for the legal opiates market. Some

of it prescribed, some of it sold. This is not a radical step.

Prohibition is the radical move. The way to stop risk-taking behaviours

is to regulate them. Thank you for joining us.

Thanks for your comments on the film we were showing on Spain. Activities

across the country from dawn until dusk, including basketball,

football, beekeeping and this charity running these particular

centres, says that, alongside 25 hours of lessons every week in

mathematics and other subjects has cut reoffending rate to 20%. Anthony

watched the film. The main problem with reoffending is soft sentencing

and cradle to the grave welfare state that large numbers of people

treat as a lifestyle choice. It is inspiring me to see Spain treatment

of young offenders. Jane tweeted this, the British justice system

could learn a lot. Darren says, British psychology is historically

savage. We excel in being judgmental, the rehabilitation of

convicts is impossible. I am not sure I quite understand that. But

anyway, thank you, you can get in touch in the usual ways.

Donald Trump, after coming under fire for his comments on abortion,

has had to do a U-turn. This is what he normally said.

The answer is that there has to be some form of punishment.

You take positions on everything else.

I do take positions on everything else,

What about the guy who gets her pregnant?

Is he responsible in law for these abortions or not?

Different feelings, different people.

After those comments he came under attack from different people. He

said the dock doors should be punished, not the women.

Our correspondent Will Ross joins me.

He said his position hasn't changed. People who look back through history

said it will change even more. In 1999, he said he was pro-choice and

didn't want to ban abortions. This is a controversy, but will it

damages race for the White House? He seems to just attract controversy

wherever he goes. Not much of it has made any difference. It has boosted

his popularity. Not amongst women, and this might not help? Has he

crossed the line? He has said so many other things that people have

said, he has gone too far and done it this time. On this issue in

particular, it is so controversial in America, the Democratic party

split on the whole abortion issue. Part of his popularity is because he

has been seen as a Washington outsider. Now he wants to be seen as

a real Republican conservative, he has had to change his views. But he

doesn't walk away from the controversy. Another one this week,

his campaign manager charged with assault after this journalist said

she had been bruised and badly assaulted by this campaign manager.

Donald Trump admitted herself, I could have fired the man and walked

away from it. That he is standing there and allowing the controversy

to swell around. On this occasion, an extraordinary U-turn on a topic

that could alienate him from many female voters especially.

The 3,000 scam car crashes staged last year to make

We'll ask what can be done to stop them.

It has been a glorious start to the country, cold one, but some lovely

pictures, this one in Leicestershire. This is glorious in

the valleys of Wales. It sets the theme up for the rest of the day.

Sunny spells but the showers will develop as we head into the

afternoon. The satellite picture shows how much sunshine we have got

across the area. Cloud around southern central Scotland. Some of

the heaviest of the showers as we head into the afternoon period. Some

of them may contain hail and thunder. Cold start across northern

Scotland, temperatures down to minus seven, minus eight in places.

Temperatures will recover slowly into the afternoon. Few showers for

Northern Ireland, southern Scotland and northern England. Could be a

heavy one mixed in with hail and thunder. A good deal of sunshine.

The showers will be scattered and many places staying dry with light

winds. 13, maybe 14 Celsius in the warmer spots. This evening, even

though showers die away, and under clear skies and light winds, it will

be another cold night with widespread frost and mist and fog

patches. But notice the change across the West, increasing cloud

and strengthening wind. Less cold here by the end of the night. Start

Friday on a cold, frosty note. Gale force winds, outbreaks of rain per

Scotland and Northern Ireland feeding into north-west England,

parts of northern and western Wales. The cloud will be thickening up

button for much of England hazy sunshine and the best to the

south-east with the best of the temperatures. The weather front

sinks further south and east Friday night and into Saturday morning.

Then it will retreat northwards again as we head into Saturday. We

pick up southerly winds. Southern areas will be dry, bright with

sunshine with maybe the odd heavy shower later on. But the north-west

England, southern Scotland, it could be wet, with persistent rain. We

will keep you updated. Then we see the warm air imported from the near

constant across many parts of England and Wales on Sunday. It

looks like this stage, more western areas cloudier with outbreaks of

rain and strong wind. At the southern areas, look at those

temperatures, we could make 20 Celsius in 12 places. A bit

uncertain see as to where the heaviest rain will fall. Keep tuned

to the weather forecast. Hello it's Thursday, it's 10am,

I'm Victoria Derbyshire, After emergency talks

at Downing Street, David Cameron says nationalisation is not

the answer to solving We'll look at the other options open

to ministers and ask whether jobs Could a radical rethink of the way

we punish young criminals We have exclusive access

to a Spanish treatment centre where a different

approach seems to work. And we hear from a British

youngster who was sent there when he was

arrested on holiday. I was probably one of

the worst out of my friends. Since I have been here,

I have been talking to my friends and I have kept quite

a few of them out of trouble. They have changed their

ways through the stuff And what can be done to stop

"crash-for-cash" car prangs? More than 3,000 were staged last

year, in order to make Julian is in the BBC Newsroom

and has the latest news. David Cameron says the government

is doing all it can to resolve the steel crisis but has ruled out

nationalising the industry. Britain's biggest producer,

Tata announced plans to sell its UK operations, which are losing

millions of pounds. The Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell

says that if necessary, the British steel industry should be

nationalised to stabilise the industry - and thinks that

parliament should be recalled I don't believe nationalisation is

the right answer. We want to secure a long-term future for Port Talbot

and other steel-making plants in the UK. This is an issue where I have

had teams of ministers working for months to help the industry, to make

sure that we procure British steel for ships and other vital industries

in the UK. We have cut the energy costs of British Steel.

Government intervention at this stage is, I think,

appropriate and the right thing to do.

That is why we are saying to the Prime Minister,

recall Parliament and let's have a discussion of this plan

so that we can work together to save the jobs

and save the industry, in the interests of not just

the local people but also in the interests of the country

British scientists are beginning research which could dramatically

improve the treatment of children who have cancer.

The research at the Royal Marsden Hospital in London is aimed

at finding newer, more personalised treatments and involves carrying out

genetic tests on tumours from young people who have been diagnosed

Scientists say it should accelerate their access to important

new drugs and increase survival rates.

A review of end-of-life care in England suggests some hospitals

are failing to provide round-the-clock specialist

It showed only 16 of 142 hospital sites offer specialists on site 24

Experts at the Royal College of Physicians who led the study say

while there has been some improvement, there's still a long

way to go to ensure all dying patients get looked after properly.

Thousands of drivers are causing crashes on purpose every year

so that they can make money out of fraudulent compensation claims,

according to figures from one insurance company.

The scam is known as cash for crash.

Insurance company Aviva says that 3,000 claims of this type were made

last year, with Birmingham coming out as the worst hot spot

The company says they dealt with such claims every three

A new approach aimed at cutting re-offending rates among teenagers

in Spain appears to be achieving success and is being recommended

Activities including football, gardening and beekeeping

have been introduced at Spanish youth prisons to create a different

ethos among inmates with a focus on education and rehabilitation.

Re-offending rates appear to have fallen in areas of Spain

where the changes have been introduced.

US presidential candidate Donald Trump has found himself in the midst

of a highly public backtracking on one of the most contentious issues

in American politics, abortion. On Wednesday, he told an interviewer on

MSNBC that if abortion was made illegal, women should be punished

for having them. He has now said the doctor carrying out an abortion

should be held legally responsible. The answer is that there has to be

some form of punishment. Ten years?

What? That I don't know.

Why not? You take positions

on everything else. I do take positions

on everything else, What about the guy

who gets her pregnant? Is he responsible in law

for these abortions or not? Different feelings,

different people. A farmer who built a mock-Tudor

castle hidden behind a pile of straw Robert Fidler thought he'd got

round the green belt planning laws by hiding the building

near Redhill in Surrey. He was first ordered to pull it down

in 2007 and was recently told he must comply by June 6th

this year or face jail. The new 12-sided ?1 coin has

gone into production, The coins have started rolling off

the Royal Mint production line at a rate of more

than 4,000 a minute. They will come into use from March

17th next year and eventually replace the current round version,

which has become too easy to forge. That's a summary of the latest BBC

News, Victoria, more at 10.30am. Thanks for your reaction to the

story on deradicalise bridge to youth offending in Spain. David

says, "The project is conducted in large outdoor spaces in a sunny

climate which would be difficult to replicate in inner London, for

example. Secondly, being part of the euro has resulted in 60% Spanish

youth unemployment. The problems will re-occur when they are released

because they will be out of work". Do get in touch with us

throughout the morning. Use the hashtag #VictoriaLIVE

and if you text, you will be charged The rights group Amnesty

International has accused Qatar of using forced labour

at their flagship stadium It says workers are living a

nightmare out there. Our sports news correspondent

Richard Conway is here. Richard, this is the last thing the

World Cup needed. This has been a disaster for Qatar since it was

awarded the World Cup in December 2000 ten. Five years on, there's

been reports before about abuse of migrant labourers within Qatar,

building infrastructure projects. But this new Amnesty report looks at

the stadium which will host several games during the Qatar World Cup.

For the first time, Amnesty say that human rights and labour abuses are

taking place on actual World Cup site. In the last few minutes, I

have spoken to the chief executive of the World Cup 2022 committee in

Qatar. I asked him about this report and he's given his reaction,

insisting that progress on the ground is being made. In relation to

a number of the issues that are raised in the report itself, a

number of these matters have been addressed. Four companies have been

covered under this report. One of them has been banned from further

projects and is making progress on the stadium in terms of delivering

on their commitments to the standards. Another of these

companies has become a benchmark in how to comply with the standards and

matters have improved significantly. They have improved significantly not

only for the 140 workers on the stadium or relating to the

particular project but it also covers all the workforce and all the

other projects as well. Two of the other companies that have been

covered under the report are actually banned now and do not --

are not allowed to get involved in any projects until they approved the

situation and address the issues on the ground. Explaining sadly what

the accusations are because people will be watching this morning saying

inevitably, working conditions are different to Europe. Qatar has made

a big play of making sure that this World Cup was constructed in the

right weight and on ethical grounds but what researchers for Amnesty

have found is that lots of workers coming from poorer migrant countries

like Bangladesh, India and the Philippines have been promised big

salaries and when they get there, they find out that is not the case

they are being paid much less. Their passports have been withheld and

they have stop standard -- substandard living conditions. Qatar

said progress has been made and they have written by the situation but

this is an embarrassing report for Qatar, no matter which way they try

to cut it. This was about Qatar showing that it was building World

Cup stadiums on ethical grounds and infrastructure projects were a

government issue and they were being dealt with and developed. That is

not the case and they have a major issue on their hands now to convince

the watching world and the football community that they are doing this

the right way. Act-macro Richard Conway, there. This is a developing

story and we will keep you right across it and have the headlines at

10:30am. Good morning and welcome to the

programme. David Cameron says the government

is doing everything it can The Prime Minister has chaired an

emergency meeting in Downing Street to discuss options for saving

Britain's biggest deal making company, Tata Steel. Labour says the

bridges steel industry should be nationalised to stabilise it. We

spoke to the Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell a little earlier but the

Prime Minister insisted that nationalisation is not the answer.

The situation at Port Talbot is of deep concern. I know how important

those jobs are. They are vital to work's families and vital to the

communities and the government will do everything it can, working with

the company, to try to secure the future of steel-making import all

that and across our country. It is a viable industry. When you say

everything you can, are you ruling out nationalisation in the long

term? And also in the short term, are you going to push the European

Union on tariffs given that it seems Britain has blocked tariffs that

could prevent steel dumping? First, we are not ruling anything out. I

don't believe nationalisation is the right answer. We want to secure a

long-term future for Port Talbot and other steel-making plants in the UK.

This is an issue where I have had teams of ministers working for

months to help this industry, to make sure that we procure British

Steel for our ships and other vital industries in the UK. We have cut

the energy costs of British Steel and also, with others in Europe, we

have made sure that there are proper penalties for those who dump cheap

steel on the market. But this industry is in difficulty, right

across the world, there's been a collapse in prices and there's

massive overcapacity but we are doing everything we can. We were

concerned that there was the chance that there could have been an

outright closure of Port Talbot. That is why we worked very hard with

the company to make sure there is a proper sales process. We will be

doing everything we can to encourage people to come forward. But this is

a difficult situation. There's no guarantees of success. Finally, it

sounds like you think the EU tariffs are at the right level. Secondly,

why have you been behind the curve in all of this. You were on holiday

and the Business Minister was in Australia. This was a decision you

have known was coming for months so why was there no plan to provide

some certainty to the steel in south Wales? We have had a plan and we

have been working to that plan because as I have said, we have had

teams of ministers working on procurement and cutting energy

costs, working on making sure we act properly in Europe, making sure we

work with the company. One of the things we were concerned about was

that there might have been an announcement of an outright closure

and actually, our intervention has helped to make sure there will at

least be a sales process. Now we need to work very hard with the

company and the communities and with potential purchasers, recognising

that the British government stands ready to do whatever it can to help

in what is a very difficult situation. Let me make this point

about the European dimension of this. Look, it is vital that those

European markets are open. Around 50% of British steel production goes

into the EU. We need to be in there, working with others, to stop the

underfed dumping of steel -- unfair dubbing of steel into Europe by

other countries and we have done that but we need to be in there

making sure the markets are open. If we were on the outside, we might

well find that it was our steel that was having the tariffs and taxes put

on it. We have got the right plan and we are going to work very hard

with the company to do everything we can. But it is a difficult

situation. There can be no guarantees of success because of the

problems the steel industry faces worldwide. But the government will

do everything it can to help, working with the company and the

communities, to try to secure the future of this vital steel-making

import Aubert and elsewhere in the UK. -- in Port Talbot.

Let's go to Downing Street and join our Political Guru,

He said they're not ruling anything out but they are ruling out

nationalisation but what about other government intervention? There's a

whole series of steps the government can take in terms of state aid. You

could look at subsidies. You can look that underwriting loans. You

can look at reshaping the procurement rules so that big,

British infrastructure products like HS2 have to buy British Steel. There

are things the state can do. But listening to the Prime Minister, I

was struck twice because he said there could be no guarantee of

success. I do detect there is real apprehension that the government is

going to be able to save these plants, certainly to save the

thousands of jobs at stake. Underpinning that is the fact that

they are in limbo land, to some extent because they don't quite know

what Tata Steel's real intentions are. They had a conference call with

them yesterday where all the key players were on the phone. They

could not get from Tata a clear commitment on how long they have got

to find a buyer. That is absolutely critical because if you have only

got a few weeks, as seems the case, that is really difficult, not least

of which is because it means the buyers have basically got the key

bargaining position because they know the government has got a gun to

its head and it's got to do a deal pronto. Despite pressing and

pressing Tata Steel, they would not give them a clear timeline. That has

led to this fear, as I say, that may be the real game is just to close

the plants, come what may. I think that is the apprehension. If you

listen to the Prime Minister, it seems to me that he was not talking

up so much the need to save a vital industry and how steel was critical

to the future of the country. He was warning that success cannot be

guaranteed. I think there has to be a real nervous as now, particularly

in the steel communities, about how far it is going to be possible to

rescue these plants. Tomos Morgan is outside the plant

at Port Talbot for us now. The anxiety, the uncertainty for the

workers goes on, Thomas? Yes, I am sure some people will have been

angered by the Prime Minister's comments that there are no

guarantees this could be a success and nationalisation will not be an

answer. The steelworks has been here for 60 years at least. It has been a

workforce for this town and surrounding area. This council

worked here at one stage for almost 30 years, so how important is this

not just hope Port Talbot but the surrounding area? It is the rack

bone of this part of Wales. For every steelworker that works in

here, there is about four jobs depend on it outside in other

services. How will the Prime Minister was macro comments go down?

Extreme disappointment. He has done nothing to alleviate the concern of

the community since the announcement was made. We need intervention by

the UK Government with financial support. You think that is the

answer, financial support? Definitely, we are part of the UK

and the government should recognise that. If they are supporting banking

institutions and financial institutions in London, why don't

they come down here and help us out as well? You said there were 20,000

people working here, that figure is about 3500, so how is some ink so

important to industry and community, how has that been dwindled down

bastion Mark a lot of technical changes that reduced numbers. But

even the amount of people in there now, it is still the backbone of the

economy because there are so any jobs that depend on one steelworker

outside as well. All this has done this morning is a piecemeal

decision, from what I understand the Prime Minister said this morning. We

want direct results. All this is a piecemeal scenario, what the

government are doing. They are washing their hands of Port Talbot,

that is the way I see it. You live in Neath and a lot of people travel

down, it is not just Port Talbot that will be rocked if this place

were too close? No, it is the wider area and a lot of my constituents

have mortgages, they have commitments. They are quite young,

some of those people, they have families. Do you think businesses

will close if this place closed? Yes, it will devastate the whole of

the community, not just Port Talbot, but Neath as well. Looking towards

the future, if the government came in for the short period, do you

think a private buyer could come in to take it off their hands after

that? You have such a wealth of experience in this place? We have

got to take a long-term view. The short-term view, business is bad at

the moment the steel, we have a lot of cheap steel imports coming in

from China. That can change. We have got to look at it long-term. It is

important that government put investment in here as soon as

possible. If the market changes, and perhaps a buyer would come in, but

the answer is is not what they have said in Downing Street today. It is

at piecemeal issue, it doesn't help Port Talbot and the wider field and

my constituents in need. To be fair to the government, the cheap Chinese

steel has had a real issue on the steel market, not only in the UK,

but across the world, so it is not totally the government's fault? The

government could have done more, they could have put higher tariffs

on. I went to London to the Chinese embassy and handed in a letter of

protest to the ambassador about what China is doing to this area in Port

Talbot. But that is only one issue. At the same time, we need government

intervention and money. It is all piecemeal. What he has said today,

David Cameron, about helping with tariffs and other thing, it is

piecemeal. Nothing that will help Port Talbot today, what the Prime

Minister has said in London from the Cabinet meeting. Do you still

believe this steelworks will be open in five years, as things stand? Yes,

I think it can survive, with the right help and support. One thing I

want to emphasise, although it is a private company, there is a huge

amount of public money invested over this steelworks over the years to

help build it, investment. We have all got a stake in this, throughout

the country. It was taxpayer's money that went into to help hold this

plant. Thank you very much. As we can see from John's words, that news

from the Prime Minister has not gone down well in Port Talbot. A couple

of comments than you. Steel is in just about jobs. Imagine building a

nuclear submarine, aircraft, tanks against a belligerent China in the

future. At the same time importing steel from the same source.

Someone else says, why are we paying Williams in foreign aid, but we

cannot support our own country. Thank you for those. This news just

in from the Old Bailey, and Islamic State fanatic, 23 years of age has

just pleaded guilty at the Old Bailey for inviting support for the

terror group and encouraging terrorism and 40,000 tweets he

posted. every year, according to new figures

from one insurance company. It's known as cash for crash -

scams in which criminals drive into other vehicles to make a profit

from insurance claims. Every three hours a driver

deliberately causes a car crash, They then benefit from

the fraudulent insurance claim. Last year there

were 3,000 organised crashes. Aviva says Birmingham

is the worst hot spot for this in the UK making up 25%

of fake crash claims. of all fraud claims in UK costing

a total of ?58 million last year. The firm also says one-in-nine

whiplash claims they receive are bogus - with 17,000 claims

currently being investigated Innocent drivers

are often the victim. Organised criminal gangs target

a car to drive into - leaving the victims

injured and frightened. in Greater Manchester has been

the victim of almost ?300,000 Probably in total with what the

insurance company has lost and what we have lost. How many times has it

happened to you? Ten times. On the ninth claim which was only about 18

months ago, we installed trackers on every one of our vehicles. On the

10th claim we managed to get a criminal prosecution. To be clear

what a tracker does, I think I know, but to be clear? They are like a

black box on an aeroplane. They will record everything the vehicle does

and send it acted the tracker company, location, speed, if it was

involved in a collision, how much energy was involved in the collision

and everything is sent back to the collision company. How did you use

that tracker? On the 10th claim her vehicle was hired out to a gentleman

and he gave the keys to another one of his colleagues, let's call it. We

got the vehicle back from them three or four days later. Acclaim came in,

which is the usual pattern from a lady who claimed she had been driven

into the back of. When we looked, it showed the vehicle wasn't there. And

after further investigations from the insurance company, during the

period of time she claimed she saw this vehicle and it drove into her,

she was parked outside her house. When the insurance company

interviewed her under caution, they went through the scenario she was

making up. Then she said, that vehicle had been parked outside your

house for three days. What happened to her in the end? She was

interviewed by the police. She tried to keep moving the accident all over

the place to claim it was in different areas to try to get it to

match-up by the tracker. She was summoned to court and when they

asked if she was guilty or not guilty, she pleaded guilty. What was

the punishment? Not very severe. The total claim would have amounted to

around ?45,000. She received a suspended prison sentence and a few

hours community service. One claim paid out ?87,000 in 2014? Indeed, it

was a claim just before the trackers. It was a claim when a

gentleman in a minibus. One of our vans pulled out in front of them,

the minibus went into the side of the vehicle. The patent will be they

will make one claim to establish liability. Then we will get a drip

of claims. There were seven planes coming in from that and one

gentleman claimed he had brain damage. There are people who think

these are victimless crimes? People who perpetrate these crimes, it is

in-built it is a victimless crime. But I am the victim. It has cost me

thousands and thousands of pounds, repairing my own vehicles after they

have deliberately crash them into another vehicle. I am the face of

the victim. They seem to think the insurance company are the victim.

All the insurance company do is increase their rates so they will

not cover self hire, or in some areas of the country, you cannot get

insurance. Thank you for coming on the programme, we wish you all the

best. A boy's been taken to hospital

in a fire engine because there Our correspondent

Keith Doyle is here If you are involved in an Accident

Emergency services turn up, you would think you are in safe hands.

This happened in the early hours of the morning in Telford. The boy was

being treated by the fire brigade. They called an ambulance but it

didn't turn up. In the end the Fire Service to the boy to hospital in

the fire engine. The West Midlands Ambulance Service said it is an

acceptable and they do admit it happen. They are blaming their

ambulances are stuck in local hospitals because they said the A

ambulances, when they get there, they tried to hand their patients

over to the hospital, but the hospitals are delaying in taking the

patient in. So the ambulances are stuck in the hospitals, not able to

go out on the trips like this one, that we heard about last night. The

ongoing story on this, this isn't the official line, but what I am

hearing this morning is the A departments are busy, more people

are using them. When they get there, they don't have the staff, they

can't get their patients into the A departments. It ends up with

paramedics and Ambulance Services treating patients and looking after

patients in corridors of hospitals. That should be A department doing

that and the ambulance should be out on the road. Do we know, is he all

right? The Ambulance Service has issued a statement. They say no harm

has come to the patient, but it is an acceptable without unable to an

incident like this. They are raising this with the local hospitals and

commissioners and they will continue to work out a solution to this

problem. A worrying thing when you think you are in safe hands, the

emergency services come and then no ambulance turns up.

Youth reoffending rates are lower in Spain and the are in the UK.

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Activities from dawn to dusk including beekeeping and football,

25 hours of lessons every week, no being locked up in your cell

for most of the day, and your own mentor.

Could all that be the key to cutting reoffending rates for teenagers?

It's far removed from what happens at young offenders' institutions

in Britain, but it's what they do in Spain and it appears

We'll talk about the Spanish model in a second, with a mother whose son

was stabbed to death and with an ex-inmate who served two

years for grievous bodily harm with intent from the age of 16.

First though, have a quick look at the exclusive access our reporter

Nick Beake was given, where young offenders are looked

after on the south-east Spanish coast.

This is a short extract from his film.

It is a reunion neither of them could have imagined

John was a British young offender, locked up abroad.

Esther was one of those trying to help him.

But he was one of the most difficult children they had ever met.

When he was 15 and on a family holiday in Alicante,

John robbed a man at knife-point and was jailed.

But three years here changed him for good.

Before I came to this place, I was in England, in at least eight

different times, eight different centres with

And I've come out here, and just the once in Spain

and that is it, they sorted me out, just that one time.

It has done the world of good for me.

It has made me who I am today, basically.

So how did Spain succeed where the UK failed?

The La Zarza re-educational centre in south-east Spain is probably

the most striking youth prison in the whole of the country.

Dangerous offenders are given axes to do gardening.

They look after the goats and other animals if they have

With activities like beekeeping as well as everything else they have

This is the first time British cameras have been allowed in. We

agreed not to show the teenagers' faces. Alex says he became a burglar

at the age of 11 out of boredom. Now 14, he says he regrets what he did.

TRANSLATION: At the beginning, it is pretty tough. You don't know what

you have got until you have lost it. You have to get used to not having

your friends and family here. It is not like home. You can't eat what

you want or go out whenever you want. The only time the prisoners

are in their rooms is for a 45 minute siesta and overnight. At

Feltham Young offenders Institute in west London, it can be as many as 23

hours a day. Here, they are kept occupied from dawn until dusk.

With activities like beekeeping as well as everything else they have

got here, this is miles away from the youth prisons we are used

But the people who run this place insists it is not just

about the environment and their surroundings.

They believe they can bring their philosophy to the UK.

This sort of secure school, with a focus on education

and rehabilitation, has just been recommended by a respected former

head teacher in a review for the Ministry of Justice.

That is because the charity Diagrama claim only 20% of the inmates

leaving their Spanish prisons reoffend, much lower than the 67%

Diagrama are a not-for-profit organisation and they now run nearly

They say it is their so-called educators who make

Each educator has at least one degree and gives daily direction,

discipline and endless encouragement to the inmates.

TRANSLATION: You can't constantly be telling them,

"You're bad, you're evil, you killed someone".

We have to see the positive and make them aware of the damage

It is not all play. There are 25 hours of classroom lessons every

week on top of all the other activities. The Spanish say their

system would save millions if brought to London because in time,

fewer security guards would be needed to keep control.

Of course, there are those who say all of this is soft justice,

a holiday camp for young criminals who don't deserve it and who should

This is far away from a holiday camp. If you ask any kid here, they

would say they don't want to be here. It is not that fun. But we

don't need to make them, how do you say, miserable because they have

committed a crime. John's return to the centre in

Alicante has brought back many memories. It has been an emotional

visit. But he's convinced that in the future, the Spanish approach

could help the toughest young offenders in Britain.

In the position I was in, I was probably one of the worst ones

Since I have been here, I have been talking to my friends

and I've kept quite a few of them out of trouble.

They have changed their ways through the stuff that I have

The British government agrees big changes are needed

But will it really invest the time and money needed to make this

Let's speak to Ann Oakes-Odger MBE, Founder of KnifeCrimes.Org.

Her 27-year-old son Westley was stabbed to death.

Nathaniel Peat works with young people who are at risk of offending

and those that have been in young offender institutions.

Akin Kuseju is 21 years old and a former inmate

at Feltham Juvenile Prison, where he served two years for GBH

Noel Williams was in the prison system from when he was 11

Thank you for joining us. Do you think that could work here? I think

it sounds like a perfect idea to try to turn young people around, if they

have becoming broiled in crime in general. I think it would be a

difficult and tall order to do that in Britain. We don't have those big,

wide open spaces that they have in Spain. One of the things that really

impacted during the trial when my son's killers were going through the

trial itself was the fact that these two brothers had progressively gone

through many years of violence and the steady criminality, if you like,

becoming worse. I truly feel that interventions at the youngest

possible age are really important. I think we have a problem with how we

would do that in Britain, how we would find that. We have many

cutbacks that are already affecting how we deal with young people which

is incredibly important. There are various viewers who are saying it

looks like a good system, particularly if it is cutting

reoffending rates down to the levels that the not-for-profit organisation

says it is doing but also, it does not look like punishment, it is too

soft. Well, I can see their point on that. I have two hats, if you like.

Since losing my son in this awful way, I have... Well, however you

call it, I have been privy to some of the prisons where young offenders

are. Warren Hill, for example, where they're riding lots of young people

serving life sentences. -- there are lots. It is heartbreaking. I would

never want to see another family be a parent to someone who has taken

someone's life. I can truly say that if only young people could

understand what it means to have a brother or sister taken by violence,

you know, it is a truly terrible situation. It is an injury to the

brain and to the physical being, to go through that kind of grief. Yes,

let's have interventions but from the victim's point of view, the

other hat is saying, hang on a minute, if someone has taken a life

at the very serious end, there needs to be justice, not retribution, but

justice. How does society do that? You were in Feltham for two years

from 16 to 18 for GBH with intent. What was it like? A waste of time!

For who? I would say for a young person. For you personally rather

than for who you assaulted? Simply because as a young person going into

prison, you are very irresponsible. Going into prison is only going to

make you more irresponsible because your responsibilities are taken away

from you. Prison is not supposed to be a punishment. Dispose to be

somewhere where you are held to be given your punishment. -- it is

supposed to be somewhere. It should not necessarily be a punishment but

to help you rehabilitate yourself. What efforts were made to try to

rehabilitate you? We were quite forced into things like education

but subjects that no one was particularly interested in, probably

simply because the teaching standard was very bad, things like workshops

but very limited. Can you imagine doing beekeeping? Or gardening? I

mean, the thing is, if you are in there, you are probably not

necessarily receptive to wanting to do anything that is offered, in

terms of activities or education. To a certain extent but I also think

that as people enter prison, you need to be given the opportunity to

get your head into the mindframe that you need to improve yourself.

Nathanial, sorry, just to bring you in, that is kind of where you come

in because you are trying to change the culture at various tins each --

various institutions to more similar to Spain, is that fair? Absolutely,

both from the perspective outside the prison and also inside the

estate, to pick up on the previous point of early intervention being

the first stage of changing the mindset. I have always said it is

not guns and knives and kill people -- that kill people, it is the

mindset so getting it fixed at an early stage, like primary school, we

have anti-gang and anti-grooming classes for young people. We are