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The UK is joining forces with Europe's

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other largest economies to make it hard for businesses and wealthy

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individuals who use tax havens and highly secretive companies

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We'll be speaking to a mother whose baby died after her

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pleas for a caesarean section were ignored.

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Now a senior coroner who examined the case is warning that more babies

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And the shocking state of our childrens' teeth is revealed

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We are getting so much advice on what to eat

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and what we should feed children - is the message confusing you?

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Now a leading food manufacturer has said we should only eat some

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of its products some of the time because of their high

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We are also talking to a group of women about their experiences

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of childbirth and asking whether cost is affecting the

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A hammer blow against illegal tax dodgers -

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that's the Chancellor is describing an agreement last night among

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the European Union's five biggest economies - to share information

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on the secret owners of companies and trusts.

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The agreement was announced at an unprecedented joint press

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conference of the finance ministers of Britain, Germany, France,

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Britain joined Germany, France, Italy

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and Spain to announce a crackdown on international tax dodging.

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Chancellor George Osborne is among the five European finance ministers

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Today we deal another hammer blow against those who would illegally

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evade taxes and hide their wealth in the dark corners

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Earlier, the president of the World Bank told me that

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in the future tax cheats would find they have fewer places to hide.

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Transparency is the way of the future.

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We will not go backwards and become less transparent over time.

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The notion you can hide illicit wealth or avoid paying taxes,

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I hope that idea will be eroded more and more.

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To crack this problem, more needs to be done.

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Can politicians from the EU's five biggest economies

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persuade leaders gathering here in Washington to join them?

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The message coming out of the IMF World Bank meeting here

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in Washington is that revelations contained

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in the Panama Papers are of great concern for the global economy.

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They are also a worry for elected politicians in Britain and abroad.

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But will the actions taken here had been asked to help the economy

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Michelle Fleury, BBC News, Washington.

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Andrew Walker is our Economics Correspondent.

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this agreement well, it addresses a question which had a bright light

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shone on it by the revelations in the Panama papers. The specific

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question of who is the ultimate beneficiary of these shell

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companies, as they are sometimes known, the beneficial owners. The

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plan is to automatically exchange information between the tax

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authorities of these five particular companies. So it does address what

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is undoubtedly an important question in international tax avoidance and

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tax evasion. What you really need for it to make a decisive difference

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is for a lot more countries to be involved. I know they will be asking

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the G20, the major economies, to cooperate with doing this on a wider

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basis. Thank you, Andrew. Let's catch up with the rest of the day's

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news. Rebecca Jones is in the

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BBC Newsroom. Here, a group of MPs is claiming

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that tax evasion and criminal activity is costing the UK

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?16 billion a year. The Public Accounts Committee says

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tax officials at HMRC still aren't It wants a strategy put in place

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by November to tackle the problem. But HMRC says that

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tracking down tax evaders A senior coroner has warned

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of a risk of future deaths if the NHS favours vaginal delivery

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over caesarean sections on the basis Andrew Walker intervened

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after the death of a newborn baby, whose mother was denied

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a planned Caesarian. He said it made him fear that lives

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were being put at risk. And coming on the programme,

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we'll be discussing this and speaking to a mother whose baby

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died after her pleas for a caesarean A man has been charged

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with the attempted murder of a police woman after she was

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seriously injured in an axe attack. The officer suffered multiple

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injuries following the attack in Sheffield on Wednesday -

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including a fractured skull and a broken leg,

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and she lost a finger. Nathan Sumner, who's 35,

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has also been charged Two teenage girls have been charged

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with kidnapping a three-year-old The little girl went missing

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from a Primark store on Wednesday. She was found just over

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an hour later, about three

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miles away in Gosforth. Two girls, aged 13 and 14, have been

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charged with kidnap and shoplifting and are due to appear

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at North Tyneside The maker of some of Britain's most

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popular pasta sauces is bringing in a new labelling system to tell

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customers some of its products should only be eaten once a week

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because of their salt, Mars Food, whose

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brands include Dolmio and Uncle Ben's, will divide

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its range into products that can be eaten every day or only

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occasionally, to reflect Government efforts to help people

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make healthier choices. More than 100 operations a day

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are being carried out in hospitals in England to remove rotten teeth

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from children and teenagers. The Local Government Association

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says the cost has jumped to more than ?35 million a year and many

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children are missing school because they are taking time

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off for dental work. But increasing numbers

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of children's teeth are not OK. More and more kids are ending up

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in the dentist's chair, The NHS in England is carrying out

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100 operations every day. Five years ago, there

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were more than 32,000 dental And increasing numbers of these

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extractions are being done In fact, more children visit

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hospital because of dental decay Fizzy drinks are being blamed,

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along with food packed Over a year, us kids eat and drink

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a whopping 5543 sugar cubes. This is an app designed to raise

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awareness of the amount You have to brush from the gum

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to the tooth. But old-style education needs

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to be reinforced as well, campaigners say, if we are to

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protect our children's smiles and prevent a generation facing

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costly dental problems. And we will be talking to a family

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who have a 5-year-old with our teeth shortly.

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Rescue teams have spent the night searching for people trapped

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in rubble after a powerful earthquake struck Japan.

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Nine people are now known to have died and nearly 800 others injured.

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Our correspondent Rupert Wingfield Hayes has this report.

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Video like this of a wall collapsing gives an idea of just how violent

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Inside the local TV newsroom, a CCTV camera sways wildly

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It may have only been a 6.2 quake, but it was very shallow

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and the shaking so powerful it could be felt in Tokyo,

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It was followed by a number of powerful aftershocks,

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People were so scared that many spend the rest of the night

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wrapped in blankets, sleeping in the open.

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TRANSLATION: I felt the ground shake horizontally and vertically.

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I was unable to stand because of the strong tremors.

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Daylight brought a clearer picture of the extent of the damage.

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Scores of houses with tiles swept off their roofs.

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At least 19 buildings have collapsed, most in the town.

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Nine people are reported to have died here and a number

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TRANSLATION: I am praying for those who perished in the earthquake and

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offering my sympathy to the families of the deceased, they entered and

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evacuated and all those affected by the disaster. The government

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continues to do everything it can to rescue and assist survivors.

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Japan's only operating nuclear power plant is around 120 kilometres

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Authorities there report there has not been any

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damage, and the plant is operating normally.

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Rupert Wingfield-Hayes, BBC News, in Tokyo.

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The EU referendum campaign formally begins today,

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with voters able to decide whether the UK should stay in -

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Both campaigns will highlight their core messages

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The amount that they can spend is now subject to strict rules.

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Former chancellor Alistair Darling said there are "credible warnings

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of economic disaster", should the UK leave the EU.

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None of the people in the leave campaign can actually tell us what

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out of Europe looks like. They all admit it would take some years to be

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able to rebuild alliances. Why go back cap in hand when we could get

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the reforms we want by building alliances that we have now, and

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build on the fact that we have the biggest market anywhere in the

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world, which businesses directly and indirectly depend upon? That is how

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we will create jobs in the future and make sure we have enough tax to

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pay for the health service and other services we rely upon.

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The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge are following in the footsteps

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of Prince Charles today as they trek into the mountains of Bhutan.

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It's a walk and climb that will take up to six hours

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towards the Tiger's Nest monastery, a journey completed by William's

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Scientists in the United States say they've solved one of nature's great

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navigation mysteries - how Monarch butterflies migrate

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They've created a model showing how the insects use the sun to stay

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on course for their incredible 3000 mile journey.

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It is the longest migration of any insect.

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So scientists want to understand how the humble butterfly makes this

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To investigate, the University of Washington scientists

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and their colleagues studied individual tethered butterflies,

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recording from their antennae and eyes as they flew.

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This revealed that the insects have an internal compass,

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able to keep them on course using only the position of the sun.

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The team has now built a model circuit that works in just the same

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way as the solar compass in every butterfly's brain.

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A navigating system that uses the sun to work out the direction

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of travel, then make adjustments to stay on a southern

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The researchers eventually plans to build robotic insects that

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are both powered by and able to navigate using only the sun.

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One possible mission for a robotic butterfly would be to track them

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as they migrate, helping scientists to work out why this unique

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That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 9.30.

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Now back to Joanna. In a moment, we will be talking to the parents of a

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baby boy who died five days after he was born after being starved of

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oxygen at birth. His mum says her pleas for a Caesarean section were

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ignored. Do get in touch with us throughout the programme. Let us

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know your thoughts on Caesarean section. We are talking more widely

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about what the cost is a factor in the options that mothers to be our

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being given in hospital. Use the hashtag VictoriaLive

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and if you text, you will be charged Let's catch up with the sport.

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We are talking Liverpool this morning.

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I imagine Liverpool fans are still trying to catch

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Extraordinary events at Anfield last night as Liverpool took

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on Borussia Dortmund in the Europa League.

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In the most dramatic of comebacks, Liverpool came from 2-0 down,

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and then 3-1 down to stun Dortmund and reach the semi-finals.

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Dortmund were the tournament favourites before this,

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but Dejan Lovren's winning header in injury time gave them a 4-3

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victory on the night, and a 5-4 win on aggregate.

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Really, that is the moment in football and in life

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where you have to show character.

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On to boxing, and look who's joined me -

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Anthony Joshua, Britain's newest heavyweight champion.

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Thank you for coming on. You spent the last week as a World Champion.

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How does it feel? It was humbling. It was great, moving on from the

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Olympics to the professional ranks and achieving World Champion status.

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It was great to get support from the country and it just shows my hard

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work paying off. I have followed your career for quite a while, and

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it has always interested me that you have never engaged in verbal

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sparring. It seems a part of boxing and even Muhammad Ali was a great

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verbal spire. That is just not my arena. I do not get involved in it.

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-- verbal spire. I like to focus on my boxing. It is the way that I have

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been raised. At the same time, being that way, it does not mean that I

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take nonsense from people because I had to stand my ground and let

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people know that I am a force to be reckoned with. The perception of

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modern-day boxing is that it is quite brash and boastful, but you

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seem to be the complete opposite of that, the contrast. Your motto is

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stay humble. You are almost doing it very differently, in boxing.

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There are thousands of people who watch us and we get so much

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attention, I don't go out of character to create more retention,

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I like a peaceful life outside of boxing. Does create more attention.

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In my job I get enough attention. In the ring you are doing very well.

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Saturday night, when you won the world title, did it play out as you

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expected? I said I would show him my level, credit to Charles Martin, he

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was ranked number two and he managed to win the IBF title. Challenge the

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top contender, coming over to the UK, and then he fell short. Our

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training camp was great and I'm happy that I got the decision and

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that I got to knock him out because people come to see that. Everyone is

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talking about you and Tyson Fury. They would like us to unify,

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unification fight, I want to wish him the best, Klitschko is a good

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friend of mine, as well, but for Tyson Fury and myself, to get a

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unification, that would be great. We will meet definitely sometime in the

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near future. When can we next see you in action? June 25, sometime

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before Klitschko Tyson Fury mag after, let them have their day and

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then we will come around and defend my belt sometime soon. I want to be

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an active champion. You are the world champion, you have added that

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to your Commonwealth and Olympic titles, is there anything left? It

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has only been an eight year journey, when you first got into boxing. It

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has been good. It is a lot of hard work. You get to enjoy it for week

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at the Olympics was tough, a good experience, the pros has been very

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tough, but a good experience, if I can maintain at this level for

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another ten years, we can make more history. And today, thanks for

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joining us. Good luck. That is all the sports now. STUDIO: Thanks for

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joining us. Are women in need of caesareans

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being denied them on the NHS, A senior coroner has written

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to the health secretary to raise concerns about women's

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access to caesareans. Andrew Walker's intervention came

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after he heard in a recent inquest how a baby died after his mother's

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pleas for a caesarean Kristian Jaworski was starved

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of oxygen during a prolonged Doctors insisted on trying

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to deliver him with forceps rather By the time they realised

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their mistake, Kristian had suffered We can speak to his parents

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Tracey Taylor and her partner Bart Jaworski and to Paul McNeil,

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Head of Medical Negligence He represented the family

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at the inquest, and in Thanks for joining us, it must be

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difficult for you to talk about something which only happened last

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June, and devastating for the two of you, we appreciate you coming in.

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Tell us more about the concerns that you had before the birth of

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Christian. You had had issues with the birth of your first son sometime

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before? It was a difficult birth, quite traumatic, he was small, only

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five lbs eight, he was delivered by forceps. He had a low heart rate.

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When he was born I was told I had a narrow Birkenau and if I thought

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about having any other children I should consider a Caesarean section

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as that is what I would have to have -- narrow birth canal. At that point

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I remember thinking, I'd only just had my first child and this lady is

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mentioning to me about future children and I've just been through

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that experience. When I fell pregnant with Kristian this is

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something I highlighted from the beginning, I mentioned it to my GP

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and my with wife and throughout my pregnancy to my consultant and my

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midwife and I was constantly reassured that my body would have

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changed and everything would be OK. They did not take into account the

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fact that Sebastien was a small baby and Kristian was much larger. It is

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felt that they did not listen to me and I was not taken seriously. You

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were saying that you had been told that you should consider it? I told

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them I was told I should have a Caesarean and I wanted their

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guidance on that. They just reassured me that I would be fine,

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they said my body would have stretched during the first pregnancy

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in delivery and it would be fine. You accepted that and you went

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forward? Kind of. I mentioned it constantly, and I wasn't 100%

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reassured by that. When I went into the delivery room, I was the

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reaction is, because in my mind I was going back to what I'd been told

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by a consultant, that everything will probably be OK, but there is

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always the option for an emergencies as Aryan. When I went into hospital,

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I was frightened -- emergency Caesarean. It is like going into the

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unknown, I was not certain what was going to happen and I was frightened

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by that. What happened? When was the Caesarean first mentioned and how

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was it dealt with? When I was in Labour with Kristian, it was about

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five o'clock, we were told that we will being transferred to theatre.

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They said the safest place to do this was in theatre and they would

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try and instrumental delivery and if that was not successful it would be

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a Caesarean and I had to sign a form to agree to that. We were taken to

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theatre at about 515 and we had been told that they would be trying

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forceps but what we were not prepared for was the length of time

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that they would be trying to get him out. How long did that continue? It

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felt like forever. Close to a good hour. It felt like ages. There were

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a few times when they were pulling him quite hard and they pulled me

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off the bed and they had to lift me back onto the bed. I kept telling

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them, I was tired. Because of the force of the procedure? Yes. They

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had to get her back up. I kept telling them I was tired and I could

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not push any more but they kept on saying, try once more, keep trying.

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At 1.I said to Bart and I said I cannot do any more, I feel sick and

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tired -- at one point I said. They kept saying to me, try once more,

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and then at 1.1 the doctors said -- at one point the doctors said I

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could not have a Caesarean as they had already cut me, but then they

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decided they were doing the Caesarean and the epidural had not

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worked and I felt Ben Cutting me. I had to be put out -- I felt them

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cutting me. I do not remember anything from them. When you woke

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up, what we're told? -- were you told? When I woke up I saw Bart and

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I had an oxygen mask on, and I remember looking at the cot and

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Kristian was not there and I asked where my baby was. He said, he's not

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well. I thought it was my fault at first. I was not very well. No one

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explain to me properly what had happened and they spoke to Bart and

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his mum came to the hospital and so did my mum, they explained to them,

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but no one came to explain to me properly. It was not until I got to

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the hospital in London where it was explained fully what was wrong with

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Kristian and what had happened. Bart, what was happening with you?

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What will you told? -- were you told. I was sent to the waiting

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sweet as soon as they started preparing for the C section, I was

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waiting for at least 90 minutes before a consultant spoke to me. I

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was more concerned, it had been a long day and I had not slept,

:25:47.:25:52.

adrenaline was pumping. I wanted to know they were all right, basically.

:25:53.:25:57.

That was my main fear and concern, that they were both all right. When

:25:58.:26:03.

the consultant told me that he was born and the word he used, he came

:26:04.:26:12.

out floppy, I did not know how to react. Yeah... Hard to explain,

:26:13.:26:26.

really. There was an inquest and the coroner did not find the trust

:26:27.:26:30.

negligent but he has accepted that the trust... The trust has accepted

:26:31.:26:35.

liability for the death of Kristian, they have accepted mistakes were

:26:36.:26:40.

made. How did you feel when you realise that mistakes had been made

:26:41.:26:43.

and things could have been different? I think I knew from the

:26:44.:26:52.

start. I had spoken to the doctors at the UCLA child but all about the

:26:53.:27:00.

delivery, -- UCLA hospital about the delivery, because I could not

:27:01.:27:04.

believe what we had been through, and I knew from the start that it

:27:05.:27:10.

was not as straightforward, that it was just something that happened at

:27:11.:27:13.

that time, and I think I knew there were mistakes that had been made.

:27:14.:27:18.

Not listing to me throughout my pregnancy, and on the night itself,

:27:19.:27:22.

as well -- listening. How did you cope with that? If you were worrying

:27:23.:27:28.

that you were not being listened to, what was that like? It is scary,

:27:29.:27:35.

because you trust them, you are in hospital. You are in a place where

:27:36.:27:41.

you think they will not let anything happen to you or your baby. That is

:27:42.:27:47.

what you feel, I consultant, she said you have got to trust us, and I

:27:48.:27:55.

thought, she is right, they will not let anything happen, why would they

:27:56.:27:59.

do that? -- my consultant. Paul, you have been the lawyer for them

:28:00.:28:07.

through this, the trust completely denies there was any financial

:28:08.:28:12.

consideration regarding the delaying of a Caesarean for Tracy and they

:28:13.:28:18.

said the team continued with a natural delivery for clinical

:28:19.:28:22.

reasons alone. What evidence was there for the coroner to say that

:28:23.:28:27.

cost was a factor? Firstly, there were clinical reasons to perform the

:28:28.:28:34.

Caesarean section before Labour began and I disagree with what the

:28:35.:28:37.

trust say, but secondly the coroner had evidence over three days from

:28:38.:28:44.

the midwives and the obstetricians at the trust and the coroner had its

:28:45.:28:49.

own expert to give evidence at the inquest. The coroner found that the

:28:50.:28:57.

presumption is in all hospitals that women should have a joiner delivery

:28:58.:29:01.

and one of the reasons for this presumption is cost and that is why

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he has written to the Secretary of State and health, to ask whether or

:29:08.:29:14.

not this should be changed. Was cost ever something that crossed your

:29:15.:29:20.

mind as being a factor? When you said that you had been advised that

:29:21.:29:23.

you should go for a Caesarean, how was it handled? Cost was never

:29:24.:29:31.

mentioned. It is only after what we have been through, and seen many

:29:32.:29:38.

stories, that are similar to ours, that it seems to be a contributing

:29:39.:29:44.

factor to the decisions made about a Caesarean. One of the things, Paul,

:29:45.:29:51.

that Tracey has said, she was not listened to. You have represented

:29:52.:29:58.

many people in cases of medical negligence, is that Eric Berry

:29:59.:30:05.

theme? It is. -- is that a recurring theme? It seems that mothers are not

:30:06.:30:10.

listened to and this can lead to significant tragedy as Tracey and

:30:11.:30:15.

Bart have suffered. Many people getting in touch regarding this.

:30:16.:30:23.

Stacey says she had an emergency C section following a 48 hour Labour,

:30:24.:30:28.

as her baby's heartbeat was failed to be detected on the monitor, she

:30:29.:30:32.

woke up not knowing that her baby was alive, luckily was fine, but it

:30:33.:30:36.

could have been different and she does not know why doctors will not

:30:37.:30:41.

offer early C sections. She said she had to argue with her consultant to

:30:42.:30:47.

have her second child with C section, because she was so

:30:48.:30:51.

frightened. E-mail from Victoria, she says she went to a traumatic

:30:52.:30:54.

birth which was as a direct result, she believes, of trying to avoid a C

:30:55.:31:03.

section. It was clear that the husband will try to do anything to

:31:04.:31:07.

avoid a C section. Lisa says she was experiencing a very long and she had

:31:08.:31:14.

had a cervical biopsy which her GP said might make delivery possible,

:31:15.:31:21.

but this was not in her notes. Lots of people getting in touch about

:31:22.:31:25.

their different experiences. In terms of Tracey and Bart, where do

:31:26.:31:30.

things go from here? The hospital has accepted responsibility for

:31:31.:31:37.

Kristian boss death and they have acknowledged mistakes were made.

:31:38.:31:41.

The hospital did several good things. Firstly, they said sorry to

:31:42.:31:48.

Tracey and barked, and that is a good thing. Secondly, the reported

:31:49.:31:53.

this case to the coroner, which sometimes does not happen. -- Tracey

:31:54.:31:59.

and Bart. Secondly, they completed an investigation last year. But they

:32:00.:32:03.

did not admit liability until the day before the inquest, which is

:32:04.:32:09.

upsetting for Tracey and Bart. Furthermore, they have only admitted

:32:10.:32:12.

liability in relation to the death of Christian, not in relation to

:32:13.:32:20.

potential claims of Tracey and Bart. I know this is not about money for

:32:21.:32:25.

them, but it would be important for them to receive an acknowledgement

:32:26.:32:29.

that mistakes were made and compensation is due for both of

:32:30.:32:41.

them. What would you two like? There is no amount of money that will

:32:42.:32:48.

bring my son back. I cannot go and buy him back. I want people to learn

:32:49.:32:54.

a lesson from what has happened to us and I do not want anybody else to

:32:55.:33:00.

go through the same things again. I think people need to understand that

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you need to listen to mothers and don't just categorise us as having

:33:04.:33:08.

an irrational fear about giving birth. It is about the individual

:33:09.:33:12.

person and you need to listen to us more. Did you feel, Bart, that

:33:13.:33:18.

Tracey was not listened to during the course of the birth? It was not

:33:19.:33:22.

just heard that was mentioned. It was me as well. From day one, it was

:33:23.:33:32.

mentioned. I just find it hard that it was not followed through in more

:33:33.:33:41.

detail. And as Tracy is saying, honestly two obviously nothing can

:33:42.:33:44.

bring your son back. What would you like the hospital to do? --

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obviously nothing can bring your son back. They did say sorry and they

:33:50.:33:53.

did report the case to the coroner and they have had an investigation.

:33:54.:33:57.

Lessons have been learned, they say. What would make a difference? In

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terms of justice, make sure it does not happen to anyone else, so they

:34:05.:34:07.

do not have to go through what we have gone through. It has been

:34:08.:34:11.

painful and traumatic and we live with it every day. I just don't want

:34:12.:34:16.

to see it happen to other people because it is not pleasant. It is a

:34:17.:34:22.

bad experience, really. Did you want to say something? I think it is

:34:23.:34:28.

important for Tracey and Bart to hear what the Department of Health

:34:29.:34:31.

is going to say in relation to the issue raised by the coroner. They

:34:32.:34:38.

have to respond by a certain date? By the 31st of May. It will be

:34:39.:34:41.

interesting to hear what the department has to say because we

:34:42.:34:47.

believe it is not just a problem in the North Middlesex Hospital, it is

:34:48.:34:52.

a problem across the country. Thank you very much for coming in, Tracey

:34:53.:34:57.

and Bart. North Middlesex University Hospital has given us a statement

:34:58.:35:01.

from the director of medicine, apologising for the tragic death of

:35:02.:35:04.

baby Christian. We've also had a statement

:35:05.:35:07.

from Health Minister Ben We will be discussing whether

:35:08.:36:09.

mothers should be free to opt for a Caesarean later on the show with a

:36:10.:36:13.

leading midwife and women who have chosen that procedure.

:36:14.:36:18.

newspaper editors are back in court today to trying to get an injunction

:36:19.:36:23.

banning the reporting of a celebrity threesome being made public.

:36:24.:36:29.

And is sugar ruining your children's teeth? We will be talking to a

:36:30.:36:34.

mother whose five old as rotten teeth because he smacked too much on

:36:35.:36:36.

juice and fruit. -- 5-year-old son. Britain has agreed to work

:36:37.:36:43.

with other major European countries They'll share information

:36:44.:36:52.

on the secret owners The Chancellor, George Osborne,

:36:53.:36:57.

said the decision dealt a "hammer blow" to those who try

:36:58.:37:05.

to hide their wealth. Here, a group of MPs is claiming

:37:06.:37:10.

that tax evasion and criminal activity is costing the UK

:37:11.:37:16.

?16 billion a year. The Public Accounts Committee says

:37:17.:37:18.

tax officials at HMRC still aren't It wants a strategy put in place

:37:19.:37:21.

by November to tackle the problem. But HMRC says that

:37:22.:37:25.

tracking down tax evaders A senior coroner has warned

:37:26.:37:27.

of a risk of future deaths if the NHS favours vaginal delivery

:37:28.:37:34.

over caesarean sections on the basis Andrew Walker intervened

:37:35.:37:37.

after the death of a newborn baby, whose mother was denied

:37:38.:37:43.

a planned Caesarian. He said it made him fear that lives

:37:44.:37:47.

were being put at risk. I just remember waking up and I had

:37:48.:38:09.

an oxygen mask on. And I saw Bart's face. I remember looking at the

:38:10.:38:15.

court and Kristian was not there. And I asked him where my baby was.

:38:16.:38:22.

And they said, he is not well. I thought it was my fault because I

:38:23.:38:28.

was not very well. But nobody had come to explain properly what had

:38:29.:38:29.

happened. A man has been charged with

:38:30.:38:31.

the attempted murder of a police woman after she was seriously

:38:32.:38:34.

injured in an axe attack. The officer suffered multiple

:38:35.:38:38.

injuries following the attack in Sheffield on Wednesday -

:38:39.:38:40.

including a fractured skull and a broken leg,

:38:41.:38:42.

and she lost a finger. Nathan Sumner, who's 35,

:38:43.:38:45.

has also been charged Two teenage girls have been charged

:38:46.:38:47.

with kidnapping a three-year-old The little girl went missing

:38:48.:38:53.

from a Primark store on Wednesday. She was found just over

:38:54.:39:00.

an hour later, about three Two girls, aged 13 and 14 have been

:39:01.:39:02.

charged with kidnap and shoplifting and are due to appear

:39:03.:39:10.

at North Tyneside Magistrates' The maker of some of Britain's most

:39:11.:39:13.

popular pasta sauces is bringing in a new labelling system to tell

:39:14.:39:24.

customers some of its products should only be eaten once a week

:39:25.:39:27.

because of their salt, Mars Food, whose

:39:28.:39:30.

brands include Dolmio and Uncle Ben's, will divide

:39:31.:39:33.

its range into products that can be eaten every day or only

:39:34.:39:36.

occasionally, to reflect Government efforts to help people

:39:37.:39:38.

make healthier choices. That's a summary of the latest BBC

:39:39.:39:43.

News - more at 10.00am. But for now, back to join. And we

:39:44.:39:53.

will be picking up on that story about some of the products you

:39:54.:39:57.

should be consuming once a week according to the manufacturers.

:39:58.:40:00.

There are two of them. Let us know your thoughts on that. Let's catch

:40:01.:40:08.

up with the sport. Jess has the details.

:40:09.:40:08.

The newspaper back pages are calling it a miracle.

:40:09.:40:11.

Liverpool staged one of the most dramatic comebacks in the club's

:40:12.:40:13.

history last night, as they came from 2-nil down,

:40:14.:40:15.

and then 3-1 down to beat Borussia Dortmund 4-3 on the night,

:40:16.:40:18.

5-4 on aggregate, and go through to the semi-finals

:40:19.:40:20.

Newcastle United say they're "dismayed" after a tribunal ruled

:40:21.:40:32.

they had dropped Yonas Gutierrez because he'd been diagnosed

:40:33.:40:34.

They found the club froze him out of the first team in order to avoid

:40:35.:40:38.

Fernando Alonso has been cleared to compete

:40:39.:40:41.

in the Chinese Grand Prix, after his crash last month.

:40:42.:40:45.

The Spaniard had to sit out the Bahrain Grand Prix two weeks

:40:46.:40:47.

ago, but doctors gave him the go-ahead for this weekend,

:40:48.:40:50.

after he came through first practice in Shanghai.

:40:51.:40:54.

And Commonwealth champions Jazz Carlin and Fran Halsall,

:40:55.:40:59.

missed out on automatic Olympic qualification at the British

:41:00.:41:01.

Carlin won the 800 metre freestyle, and Halsall the 50 metres free,

:41:02.:41:09.

but both failed to get the required time for a spot in Rio.

:41:10.:41:13.

That is all the headlines for now. More sport at ten o'clock.

:41:14.:41:18.

For many celebrities, while being famous has its perks,

:41:19.:41:20.

one major downside is a lack of privacy.

:41:21.:41:23.

One well-known person in the entertainment business

:41:24.:41:26.

is currently trying to prevent a Sunday newspaper from making

:41:27.:41:28.

public their extra-marital sexual activities.

:41:29.:41:31.

We can't tell you any more as it's currently subject to an injunction

:41:32.:41:34.

Today, though, the Sun on Sunday is appealing

:41:35.:41:38.

Here's a reminder what we can and can't tell you.

:41:39.:43:09.

Well, we can speak to our legal eagle Clive Coleman

:43:10.:43:11.

who is at the Court of Appeal in Central London.

:43:12.:43:14.

So that was a quick run through of the background to this. Tell us what

:43:15.:43:22.

happens today. Well, I didn't quite see what was in the pictures you

:43:23.:43:28.

have shown so I am not sure what you have explained, so let me briefly

:43:29.:43:32.

tell you what I know that I am able to reports today and explained what

:43:33.:43:39.

is going to happen. What we now is that PJS, as the celebrity is known,

:43:40.:43:45.

is someone in the entertainment business, married to someone known

:43:46.:43:49.

only as YMA, also a well-known figure in that business and the

:43:50.:43:52.

couple have young children. Forgive me if I am repeating what has

:43:53.:43:57.

already been on screen. In January, PJS was granted an injunction by the

:43:58.:44:01.

Court of Appeal. Originally, a High Court judge had looked at this

:44:02.:44:06.

application and have refused the injunction on the grounds that the

:44:07.:44:12.

sun on Sunday was entitled to correct or address the public image

:44:13.:44:20.

presented by this celebrity. The judge realised how important an

:44:21.:44:24.

issue this was, so he retained the injunction and the appeal took place

:44:25.:44:28.

in January. The Court of Appeal disagreed and granted the

:44:29.:44:31.

injunction. Today, what is happening is that the Sun on Sunday is coming

:44:32.:44:37.

back to the Court of Appeal to argue that the injunction should be lifted

:44:38.:44:41.

because since January, when only the paper and its source knew of the

:44:42.:44:45.

identities of the people involved in this, there has been a huge amount

:44:46.:44:49.

of speculation and it appears that the celebrity and the celebrity's

:44:50.:44:54.

spouse had been named online on social media and in newspapers

:44:55.:45:00.

abroad, and by a Scottish newspaper. So the Sun on Sunday returns to

:45:01.:45:04.

court today, one would imagine to argue that things have changed very

:45:05.:45:10.

considerably now. The identity of PJS and YMA is now widely known, and

:45:11.:45:14.

therefore the injunction should be lifted. The court has to bear in

:45:15.:45:19.

mind, in the granting and maintaining of any injunction, the

:45:20.:45:22.

extent to which information is already in the public domain. That

:45:23.:45:28.

is the argument that we will hear today. Thank you, Clive. Coming up,

:45:29.:45:37.

the firm behind me or pasta sauces and uncle Ben is Rice says that some

:45:38.:45:42.

of their products should only be consumed once a week because of high

:45:43.:45:47.

sugar or fat content. Should other manufacturers follow their lead?

:45:48.:45:53.

Once largely unknown to the world outside Japan,

:45:54.:45:57.

manga - Japanese comics - and anime - or Japanese animation -

:45:58.:45:59.

In Tokyo they're so big that some are choosing to style

:46:00.:46:03.

their appearance inspired by their favourite Japanese anime characters.

:46:04.:46:05.

This is the story of 24-year-old Senanan:

:46:06.:46:10.

That was 24-year-old Senanan who styles herself on her favourite

:46:11.:49:28.

Many of you getting in touch after the discussion about Caesarean

:49:29.:49:47.

sections. And Tracey and Bart, whose son died five days after he was

:49:48.:49:53.

born, after a Caesarean section was very delayed in his childbirth and

:49:54.:49:56.

he suffered problems which led to his death. Kersten says she had

:49:57.:50:03.

excellent service from NHS midwifery, amazing staff, could not

:50:04.:50:06.

have been better, 5-star from the start. Natalie says she had a

:50:07.:50:15.

serious infection with serious cardiac convocations and she begged

:50:16.:50:19.

for a C section but she was refused -- complications. She says many

:50:20.:50:24.

months later she is still under the care of cardiology. Another person

:50:25.:50:30.

says her sister had high blood pressure and protein in her you're

:50:31.:50:33.

in, swollen ankles, even though she had reached her due date they had

:50:34.:50:39.

asked to keep her ring, she asked for a C section, but they refused

:50:40.:50:46.

and she was sent home. She was told her baby had died because her waters

:50:47.:50:50.

broke and the baby drop, the cord was caught around her neck and she

:50:51.:50:56.

died. She had to go through ten hours of Labour knowing her baby was

:50:57.:51:02.

dead. We will talk more about that later in the programme.

:51:03.:51:04.

There's been a big rise in the number of children

:51:05.:51:06.

who are having rotten teeth taken out at hospitals in England.

:51:07.:51:09.

New figures reveal that the cost of removing teeth in children

:51:10.:51:14.

and teenagers has soared by 66% in the last five years,

:51:15.:51:16.

leading to fears that youngsters' consumption of sugar

:51:17.:51:18.

Dental decay is the biggest single reason for five to nine year

:51:19.:51:28.

olds being admitted to hospital, according to the analysis

:51:29.:51:30.

So what's the government doing to cut down on kids' sugar

:51:31.:51:34.

consumption and what is it like for the families concerned?

:51:35.:51:38.

Let's speak to Dr Rachel Maynard, who as well as being an A doctor,

:51:39.:51:45.

she is also a mum to 5-year-old Sam and 8-year-old Emily.

:51:46.:51:47.

We can also talk to Professor Nigel Hunt,

:51:48.:51:49.

head of Dental Surgery at the Royal College of Surgeons.

:51:50.:51:55.

Nice to see you. Tell us, Rachel, but the situation is with your

:51:56.:52:07.

children? Your son has had issues? We started going to the dentist for

:52:08.:52:15.

regular checkups and we were told that he had decay at the back of his

:52:16.:52:21.

mouth, in the upper teeth, and we had chosen to go to a private

:52:22.:52:24.

dentist because before I had children I had a private dentist and

:52:25.:52:30.

it seemed the natural step. I was not certain on how I would easily

:52:31.:52:35.

get an NHS dentist and I feel for regular checkups it is very

:52:36.:52:40.

straightforward, but when there are problems, who do you see next and

:52:41.:52:45.

what do you do? We were referred to a paediatric dentist who tell us

:52:46.:52:50.

that he would have to have two teeth removed at the back. Because they

:52:51.:52:56.

are too badly decayed to do fillings or any other work. We can see, very

:52:57.:53:03.

kindly you came in earlier and we had a look in your mouth. We can see

:53:04.:53:12.

your beautiful teeth. It is the top two at the back. What did they say

:53:13.:53:21.

about what had caused the issues? The brushing plan that we had was

:53:22.:53:26.

not working, and we were informed at that stage that you need to brush

:53:27.:53:29.

your child's teat until you are eight. -- teeth. We tried to

:53:30.:53:36.

supervise his teeth brushing but we were letting Sam do a lot of teeth

:53:37.:53:42.

brushing himself. The issue was the teeth at the back which are

:53:43.:53:45.

difficult to get to? Especially the upper ones, children do not think

:53:46.:53:48.

about that when they are doing the bottom teeth. What was it like for

:53:49.:53:54.

Emily? We have not had the same problems, they have a similar diet.

:53:55.:53:59.

Teeth brushing, we have done the same. But I think it is different

:54:00.:54:06.

from child to child as to how their teeth are affected by it. Sam has a

:54:07.:54:11.

sweet tooth and he likes sweet food, more than Emily. It is difficult, it

:54:12.:54:17.

is finding things they can eat which are good for their diet but which

:54:18.:54:21.

are not bad for their teeth. The teeth are at the back, did you see

:54:22.:54:27.

what was going on? I had no idea. Not until the dentist showed me. I

:54:28.:54:34.

was shocked and embarrassed when he showed me, that they were as bad as

:54:35.:54:38.

they were, but it is difficult, you cannot see into the back, the top

:54:39.:54:44.

teeth, very easily. I assumed they would look similar to the ones at

:54:45.:54:47.

the bottom which you can see more easily, but they were bad and I was

:54:48.:54:52.

surprised. He is waiting to have an operation gridlock to -- operation?

:54:53.:55:05.

He is waiting to have two teeth out. You have got to make sure you are

:55:06.:55:12.

brushing your child's teeth which we did, but when we allowed him to

:55:13.:55:16.

brush 's own teeth, and the other thing is going to the dentist sooner

:55:17.:55:23.

than we did. When we took Emily at a similar age there were no problems

:55:24.:55:27.

and they said that was fine, come back in a period of time, but every

:55:28.:55:33.

child is different and when we went for Sam's appointment things were

:55:34.:55:38.

bad compared to when we took Emily. Professor, the number of kids having

:55:39.:55:44.

teeth extracted is increasing. What are you seeing? The report is

:55:45.:55:51.

emphasising the report reproduced on the faculty of dental surgery over

:55:52.:55:56.

your ago. -- we produced. The alarming increase, 26,000 5-9 new

:55:57.:56:09.

roles admitted for a disease which is 95% preventable, that is the

:56:10.:56:12.

worst part of the situation ---year-olds. It is a similar story,

:56:13.:56:18.

the teeth at the back? No it can vary tremendously. We feel sad about

:56:19.:56:26.

Sam's situation, but we are talking about Sam losing two teeth, but we

:56:27.:56:32.

do see children of his age who are needing to remove all 20s to -- 20

:56:33.:56:44.

teeth. What is going on, sugar is a factor? It is a combination of

:56:45.:56:49.

factors and there is no magic wand, no one single factor will resolve

:56:50.:56:54.

the problem. There are changes, there is fluoride in water which

:56:55.:56:59.

there was not, going back sometime. You would think we have a better

:57:00.:57:08.

chance of not having this now? Fluoridation in water is not across

:57:09.:57:13.

the whole country, and there are areas which are not fluoridated. We

:57:14.:57:20.

are coming down to a combination of diet, as we have mentioned, sugary

:57:21.:57:25.

drinks and foods, and the frequency of taking those foods is so

:57:26.:57:30.

important. We need better education. But there is also better techniques

:57:31.:57:36.

for brushing and other help to improve oral health generally. If

:57:37.:57:40.

you brush your teeth very welcome can you get away with eating more

:57:41.:57:45.

sugary food? -- very well, can you get away. We are trying to avoid

:57:46.:57:52.

eating between meals, sugary stacks, which I know is very difficult for

:57:53.:57:58.

children. -- snacks. It is giving the mouth time to recover through

:57:59.:58:01.

the natural defences that we have in the saliva between meals which is so

:58:02.:58:08.

important, as well as the brushing using the appropriate level of

:58:09.:58:11.

fluoride toothpaste which the dentist will advise on. We have got

:58:12.:58:18.

to improve education and access to dentistry and also other

:58:19.:58:20.

preventative methods like improving diet. The government's natural

:58:21.:58:29.

obesity strategy which is supposedly being announced in the summer,

:58:30.:58:33.

that's a golden to emphasise the importance of all health, sugar

:58:34.:58:38.

intake, diet, and general body health. This has been a wake-up call

:58:39.:58:45.

for you, Rachel. What are you changing? It is very difficult

:58:46.:58:53.

because even things like fruit which Sam loves and is a great diet to

:58:54.:59:01.

have, it is not so good for teeth. As he gets older it will be easier,

:59:02.:59:04.

little children need to have small amounts to it and very often, and

:59:05.:59:07.

trying to get the period of time when they are not eating can be

:59:08.:59:11.

frustrating. As parents again finished dinner and within half an

:59:12.:59:20.

hour they are hungry again. The dentist told me you should wait 30

:59:21.:59:23.

minutes after eating before you brush your teeth. I did not know

:59:24.:59:29.

that. There are a few changes we have made and we will look at making

:59:30.:59:34.

sure he tries to cut down on the Adam sugar that we have and the

:59:35.:59:39.

drinks is a hard thing -- the amount of sugar. Children do not want to

:59:40.:59:45.

drink water all the time, apple juice and fruit juice, smoothies,

:59:46.:59:49.

they are not necessarily a great option for your teeth. It has been a

:59:50.:00:00.

great thing to have you all with us, are you going back to score? Yes,

:00:01.:00:01.

they are. -- school. Coming up - are women

:00:02.:00:08.

in need of caesareans being denied them on the NHS

:00:09.:00:10.

because of financial pressures? We'll be talking to the Royal

:00:11.:00:12.

College of Midwives just after ten Many of you have been getting in

:00:13.:00:20.

touch. Keep sending your thoughts and experiences and we will try to

:00:21.:00:24.

bring your comments into our discussion later on. And now the

:00:25.:00:27.

weather forecast. We have had a real mix of spring

:00:28.:00:36.

weather this week, with some intense downpours and a little bit of

:00:37.:00:42.

warmth. Also, some cold winds, too. Certainly today we have had some

:00:43.:00:45.

interesting pictures from the weather watchers. This taken on the

:00:46.:00:51.

Shetland Islands this morning. The colder weather not just confined to

:00:52.:00:56.

the Northern Isles. It is going to be turning colder over the next

:00:57.:00:59.

couple of days and we will really notice the change for the weekend.

:01:00.:01:03.

This is a classic scene this morning, sent in by a viewer in

:01:04.:01:09.

Gloucester. It is raining. And wet weather for many of us to content

:01:10.:01:15.

with during the course of the day. Gradually as we go through tomorrow,

:01:16.:01:22.

the rain will peter out. It is going to feel a lot colder. Here is the

:01:23.:01:26.

big picture. One area of cloud from the south and another from the

:01:27.:01:30.

north. Of bringing rain. The one in the North introducing much colder

:01:31.:01:36.

air. Arctic air, and that is why we do have not just rain but also Snow,

:01:37.:01:42.

particularly over the hills. That band of wet weather continuing to

:01:43.:01:47.

push southwards. The rain in the South intensifying. Thunderstorms

:01:48.:01:50.

across the south-east of the UK, Wales and South West England should

:01:51.:01:56.

be a little drier and brighter. Sunshine developing across parts of

:01:57.:01:59.

Scotland as the rain sinks southwards. There will be more

:02:00.:02:04.

wintry showers, as I said, even at relatively low levels. For much of

:02:05.:02:09.

the day, it will be more like three or four Celsius. Snow over the hills

:02:10.:02:15.

in the afternoon, and wet weather for a time in Northern Ireland. The

:02:16.:02:20.

West should get brightness. A dry morning in northern England, but

:02:21.:02:25.

snow on the Pennines. In the south-east, a decent chance of some

:02:26.:02:31.

sunshine. Still relatively mild across the South but turning colder

:02:32.:02:36.

as we go through the night. That area of rain continues to pivot

:02:37.:02:39.

round. More snow on the Pennines, and even at low levels we could see

:02:40.:02:45.

a little bit of snow. A wintry feel. There will be a frost and the risk

:02:46.:02:47.

of ice to start the weekend. Welcome to the programme

:02:48.:02:53.

if you've just joined us. Concerns

:02:54.:02:58.

are being raised that women are being pressured not to have

:02:59.:03:01.

caesareans because of financial Now a senior coroner has warned that

:03:02.:03:03.

lives are being put at risk. One mother who's baby died

:03:04.:03:09.

when her pleas for a caesarean were ignored tells this

:03:10.:03:12.

programme of her experience. It is scary because you trust them.

:03:13.:03:25.

You are in hospital, so you are in a place where you think that they are

:03:26.:03:29.

not going to let anything happen to me or my baby. That is what you feel

:03:30.:03:35.

my and my consultant, I remember her saying, you need to trust us and we

:03:36.:03:40.

will not let anything bad happened. I remember thinking, she's right,

:03:41.:03:41.

why would they let anything happen? Mars Food, the brand behind Dolmio

:03:42.:03:47.

and Uncle Ben's food sauces, are warning that we should only

:03:48.:03:50.

consume some of their products once a week because they're so high

:03:51.:03:53.

in salt, fat and sugar. We'll be speaking to

:03:54.:03:55.

a nutritionist just after 10:30. And the vinyl revival continues

:03:56.:04:00.

as sales reach a 20 year high, but how exactly are the records

:04:01.:04:03.

made? We've been to the Czech

:04:04.:04:05.

Republic to find out. Here's Rebecca Jones

:04:06.:04:12.

in the BBC Newsroom Britain has agreed to work

:04:13.:04:18.

with other major European countries Germany, France, Italy and Spain -

:04:19.:04:24.

as well as the UK - will share information

:04:25.:04:29.

on the secret owners The Chancellor, George Osborne

:04:30.:04:30.

said the decision deals a "hammer blow" to those

:04:31.:04:38.

who try to hide their wealth Here, a group of MPs is claiming

:04:39.:04:40.

that tax evasion and criminal activity is costing the UK

:04:41.:04:48.

?16 billion a year. The Public Accounts Committee says

:04:49.:04:50.

tax officials at HMRC still aren't It wants a strategy put in place

:04:51.:04:53.

by November to tackle the problem. But HMRC says that tracking down tax

:04:54.:05:01.

evaders is an "absolute priority". A senior coroner has warned

:05:02.:05:06.

of a risk of future deaths if the NHS favours vaginal delivery

:05:07.:05:10.

over caesarean sections Andrew Walker intervened

:05:11.:05:15.

after the death of a newborn baby, whose mother was denied

:05:16.:05:20.

a planned caesarean. He said it made him fear that lives

:05:21.:05:22.

were being put at risk. A man has been charged with

:05:23.:05:25.

the attempted murder of a police woman after she was seriously

:05:26.:05:29.

injured in an axe attack. The officer suffered multiple

:05:30.:05:34.

injuries following the attack in Sheffield on Wednesday -

:05:35.:05:37.

including a fractured skull and a broken leg,

:05:38.:05:39.

and she lost a finger. Nathan Sumner, who's 35,

:05:40.:05:45.

has also been charged The EU referendum campaign

:05:46.:05:48.

formally begins today, with voters able to decide

:05:49.:05:54.

whether the UK should stay in - Both campaigns will highlight

:05:55.:05:57.

their core messages in a day The amount that they can spend

:05:58.:06:02.

is now subject to strict rules. MP Gisela Stuart is backing

:06:03.:06:11.

the Vote Leave Campaign and told us that a British exit

:06:12.:06:14.

is the best option for the UK. People assuming that if we remain in

:06:15.:06:26.

the European Union, the union itself will not change and that simply is

:06:27.:06:31.

not true. Two things will happen, one is the introduction of a single

:06:32.:06:35.

currency on mainland Europe and the creation of a free travel area, both

:06:36.:06:43.

of those things we now realise do not work unless some very

:06:44.:06:44.

significant changes happen. Rescue teams in Japan

:06:45.:06:51.

are still searching for survivors after a powerful earthquake left

:06:52.:06:53.

at least nine people dead Tens of thousands of people

:06:54.:06:56.

fled their homes after the 6.5-magnitude quake struck

:06:57.:06:59.

the south-western island of Kyushu Officials warned the death toll

:07:00.:07:01.

could rise as rescuers search The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge

:07:02.:07:05.

are following in the footsteps of Prince Charles today as they trek

:07:06.:07:10.

into the mountains of Bhutan. the Tiger's Nest monastery,

:07:11.:07:18.

a journey completed by William's That's a summary of the latest BBC

:07:19.:07:21.

News - more at 10.30. Thank you, Rebecca. See you later.

:07:22.:07:38.

We have been getting lots of comments from you about tooth decay

:07:39.:07:42.

following on from our discussion. Christina says, as a mother I am

:07:43.:07:46.

appalled when I see toddlers sitting in supermarket trolleys eating

:07:47.:07:51.

something sweet. Mothers who expose their babies to these kinds of food

:07:52.:07:56.

should be prosecuted and forced to attend nutrition classes. Suites are

:07:57.:07:59.

used to be treats for special occasions. Sugar is addictive and

:08:00.:08:03.

exposing children to treats sets them up for a life of illness. The

:08:04.:08:10.

urinary tract is damaged and fund I can -- fungus can invest the body. A

:08:11.:08:18.

tweet from Robert, what is the government doing about reducing

:08:19.:08:26.

sugar intake, sorry, what parents doing? Mark says, it is not just the

:08:27.:08:30.

sugar, it is the acidity fizzy juice. Thank you for your comments.

:08:31.:08:36.

Do get in touch with us throughout the morning -

:08:37.:08:38.

use the hashtag VictoriaLive and if you text, you will be charged

:08:39.:08:41.

Let's catch up with the sport. Jessica, and another fantastic night

:08:42.:08:53.

for Liverpool. Yes, good morning. Incredible last night to see the joy

:08:54.:08:57.

and elation on the faces of those fans.

:08:58.:08:59.

I imagine Liverpool fans are still be trying to catch

:09:00.:09:01.

Extraordinary events at Anfield last night as Liverpool took

:09:02.:09:05.

on Borussia Dortmund in the Europa League.

:09:06.:09:06.

In the most dramatic of comebacks, Liverpool came from 2-nil down,

:09:07.:09:10.

and then 3-1 down to stun Dortmund and reach the semi-finals.

:09:11.:09:14.

Dortmund were the tournament favourites before this,

:09:15.:09:20.

but Dejan Lovren's winning header in injury time gave them a 4-3

:09:21.:09:23.

victory on the night, and a 5-4 win on aggregate.

:09:24.:09:30.

Really, that is the moment in football and in life

:09:31.:09:34.

Now, the World Snooker Championships begin tomorrow and I have six-time

:09:35.:09:47.

champion Steve Davis with me to preview the tournament.

:09:48.:09:51.

We are used to seeing you at the snooker table, winning titles, but

:09:52.:09:57.

here is Steve as you have never seen before.

:09:58.:10:09.

Something that does not sit along with his boring image was his taste

:10:10.:10:12.

in music. It was radical, outrageous. Steve is an eccentric

:10:13.:10:19.

character. The idea of playing music, playing snooker, playing

:10:20.:10:25.

chess, that allowed him to get his medicine, or feed his soul. I have

:10:26.:10:30.

never heard of any of these bands and after listening to some of them,

:10:31.:10:34.

I did not want to hear any of these bands. Snooker can be quite intense

:10:35.:10:38.

and I think by doing other stuff, it brings out some of your personality.

:10:39.:10:43.

For anyone used to seeing you at the snooker table, what on earth was

:10:44.:10:47.

that? You are a DJ? I have been doing our radio show in my local

:10:48.:10:53.

area, Brentwood, for ten years. It is the complete opposite for me as a

:10:54.:10:58.

snooker person. I do a weird and wonderful radio show. Very similar

:10:59.:11:01.

to Stewart McAuley's freaks on. In that vein.

:11:02.:11:13.

-- two. The BBC did a documentary on iPlayer. It was so much fun. Me, the

:11:14.:11:21.

most boring snooker player, a DJ. You could not make it up. It is a

:11:22.:11:27.

Jekyll and Hyde thing! As a snooker player, I have always been solid,

:11:28.:11:32.

but as a DJ, I am more like Ronnie O'Sullivan. DJ Sunder muscle it is

:11:33.:11:41.

not good. How did you get into DJ in? It is a passion for collecting

:11:42.:11:49.

records. It is actually record store a day today. Vinyl records have made

:11:50.:11:52.

a comeback and I am a bit of a collector. That is the sad part of

:11:53.:11:56.

it. You enjoy the music you collect and it is part of your life to have

:11:57.:12:00.

a record collection. Going down that road, if you are a bit of a face, it

:12:01.:12:05.

leads you to having a radio show. We have you here to talk about snooker

:12:06.:12:10.

so we will talk about snooker. The World Championships start tomorrow.

:12:11.:12:14.

Exciting times for snooker fans. But that does not seem to be any

:12:15.:12:18.

clear-cut winner this year. Stuart Bingham will be among the favourites

:12:19.:12:24.

as always. Ronnie O'Sullivan also. I think the fact that there is not a

:12:25.:12:27.

clear-cut winner is an improvement from last year, where Stuart Bingham

:12:28.:12:33.

beat Shaun Murphy in the final. But I think the consensus of opinion,

:12:34.:12:38.

among the players and punters, is that it is hard to oppose Ronnie

:12:39.:12:43.

O'Sullivan. On his day, he is definitely head and shoulders, above

:12:44.:12:47.

the opposition. Still. And that is at the age of 40, which is

:12:48.:12:52.

astonishing. He is in great nick. The trouble is, it is over 17 days.

:12:53.:12:57.

It goes through until bank holiday Monday and it is a long period of

:12:58.:13:01.

time to keep the intensity up. Ronnie O'Sullivan, in the past, I am

:13:02.:13:05.

not seeing his mind has wandered but it is difficult to keep it up for

:13:06.:13:09.

that long. It is a bit like the Grand National. You do not know who

:13:10.:13:12.

is going to win it in the first round, it is only towards the end,

:13:13.:13:17.

the latter part of the second week, when the favourites starts to come

:13:18.:13:21.

into form. And you do not know who those players are going to be, but

:13:22.:13:26.

there are some cracking players. Neil Robertson, he is highly

:13:27.:13:32.

favoured, and Ding Junhui eat, can he win? -- Ding Junhui. It is always

:13:33.:13:43.

difficult to pick a winner. Taking it back to DJ in, when can we see

:13:44.:13:50.

you out? Well, the film is out on iPlayer and then all of a sudden, we

:13:51.:13:53.

just have to wait for the phone to ring. My snooker is obviously not

:13:54.:14:00.

that good any more but my DJing skills are far better, better than

:14:01.:14:05.

they used to be. We might see Steve in a club near us soon!

:14:06.:14:09.

I had no idea that was what he was up to!

:14:10.:14:12.

Are women in need of caesareans being denied them on the NHS,

:14:13.:14:15.

That's the question raised by a senior coroner who's written

:14:16.:14:18.

to the Health Secretary, highlighting the case of a baby

:14:19.:14:21.

who died after his mother's pleas for a caesarean

:14:22.:14:23.

As we've been hearing this morning, Kristian Jaworski was starved

:14:24.:14:29.

of oxygen during a prolonged delivery last June when doctors

:14:30.:14:31.

insisted on trying to pull him out with forceps rather

:14:32.:14:34.

This comes as a human rights charity, Birthrights,

:14:35.:14:40.

hosted a conference at the Royal College of Physicians,

:14:41.:14:42.

claiming that women are being pressured not to have caesareans

:14:43.:14:44.

as part of an NHS culture of 'policing pregnancy' and that

:14:45.:14:47.

some mothers-to-be have to beg cost-cutting

:14:48.:14:48.

Around 1 in 4 women will have a caesarean

:14:49.:14:53.

The average cost of a c-section on the NHS is 3,781

:14:54.:15:02.

compared to a cost of 1,985 for a conventional delivery.

:15:03.:15:09.

Earlier we heard from Tracey Taylor who lost her son Kristian Jaworski

:15:10.:15:11.

after doctors ignored her pleas for a caesarean.

:15:12.:15:19.

We had been told in the delivery suite that they would be trying

:15:20.:15:26.

forceps but what we were not prepared for was the length

:15:27.:15:30.

of time that they would be trying to pull him out.

:15:31.:15:35.

There were a few times when they were pulling him quite

:15:36.:15:48.

hard and they pulled me off the bed and they had

:15:49.:15:51.

Pulled off the bed because of the force of the procedure?

:15:52.:16:12.

I kept telling them I was tired and I could not push any more

:16:13.:16:19.

but they kept on saying, just try once more, keep trying.

:16:20.:16:21.

At one point I said to Bart and I can't do any more,

:16:22.:16:26.

They kept saying to me, just try once more, and then at one

:16:27.:16:31.

point one of doctors said, "It seems a shame to give her

:16:32.:16:34.

a Caesarean as we've already cut her here".

:16:35.:16:36.

Because I'd had an episiotomy as well.

:16:37.:16:38.

Then it became frantic and they decided they were

:16:39.:16:41.

The epidural hadn't worked and I felt them cutting me.

:16:42.:16:46.

I do not remember anything from that point on.

:16:47.:16:57.

With us in the studio is Elizabeth Prochaska,

:16:58.:17:00.

from the charity Birthrights, which campaigns for women's human

:17:01.:17:03.

rights in pregnancy, and says they should be free to opt

:17:04.:17:08.

Louise Silverton, director for Midwifery at the Royal College

:17:09.:17:16.

of Midwives, who says women should be persuaded against caesareans

:17:17.:17:18.

And we have Laura Warner, who has written her experience about

:17:19.:17:36.

childbirth on her blog. Louise, to be clear on the guidelines around

:17:37.:17:41.

Caesarean sections, if you want one should be offered one? You can

:17:42.:17:48.

request one, and the idea is that the CD health professionals will

:17:49.:17:50.

consult a midwife and they will talk to the woman to understand her

:17:51.:17:57.

reason for wanting a C section and to explain what can be done to

:17:58.:18:01.

overcome what her fears are -- senior health professionals. If she

:18:02.:18:06.

still wants one, the NHS should provide one. That is the right of

:18:07.:18:11.

the woman, to demand one? That is right. You said I persuade women,

:18:12.:18:18.

but I think they should have all the evidence and then should be able to

:18:19.:18:22.

make their own decision. Elizabeth, you believe that Caesareans are not

:18:23.:18:25.

always being offered because of financial considerations? That is

:18:26.:18:30.

right. We hear from women on a regular basis that they are facing

:18:31.:18:34.

obstruction from NHS trusts which have policy that they do not exceed

:18:35.:18:43.

two women's requests for Caesarean sections, and they say they do not

:18:44.:18:48.

follow the nice guidance and you will not be able to follow that

:18:49.:18:55.

here. So women have requested one and they have not been offered one

:18:56.:18:59.

because of financial constraints? Hospital policies will be influenced

:19:00.:19:02.

by a range of factors and one of them is likely to be cast because

:19:03.:19:06.

they are more expensive, Caesareans, than a traditional delivery -- cost.

:19:07.:19:12.

It is no supplies that they have regard to the cost. -- it is no

:19:13.:19:21.

surprise. Some women, they ask one, but when they discuss it, the they

:19:22.:19:27.

had when they talk to someone with greater medical knowledge than most,

:19:28.:19:31.

than most mothers, it persuade them otherwise? The first thing to

:19:32.:19:37.

realise, any woman requesting a Caesarean section will have good

:19:38.:19:39.

reasons, it is not because they are to posh to push, in the common

:19:40.:19:47.

parlance, they will have a good reason, and the hope is when they

:19:48.:19:50.

have the conversation with the midwife or doctor, it'd informed --

:19:51.:19:57.

it is an informed discussion and the woman is given the information they

:19:58.:20:02.

need and she could make the final decision, not to be told they did

:20:03.:20:08.

not just do that. You should be having that conversation at 30

:20:09.:20:12.

weeks, 32 weeks, not leaving it until you are up against the birth.

:20:13.:20:20.

The phrase, to posh to push, is their dismissiveness amongst medical

:20:21.:20:31.

people regarding women who want a C section? There is some of that, but

:20:32.:20:37.

when the National audit was done in the early years of the century, it

:20:38.:20:42.

was clear that very few of those women said it was maternal choice,

:20:43.:20:47.

for no reason whatsoever. Many of these women have well founded fears,

:20:48.:20:52.

maybe because of their previous birth which was traumatic, maybe

:20:53.:20:54.

because of something else which has happened with their family history.

:20:55.:21:01.

Services should listen to women. When it comes to persuading, you

:21:02.:21:06.

said that you don't try to persuade women against Caesareans, but what

:21:07.:21:11.

is your view? Should women be persuaded? Should every be listened

:21:12.:21:18.

to? I would use the term in courage, because many women are fearful of

:21:19.:21:23.

childbirth, and by explaining to them the support they can get during

:21:24.:21:30.

birth and maybe showing them the birth centre as opposed to the

:21:31.:21:33.

Labour wards, women can be encouraged to see how they get on,

:21:34.:21:37.

but you cannot give any definite outcomes for any woman in any

:21:38.:21:43.

particular birth. You might look the right kind of person who can have a

:21:44.:21:48.

normal birth, but you might not. It is difficult, you cannot give that

:21:49.:21:51.

certainty. Some people cannot cope with it. We are joined by Laura

:21:52.:22:04.

Warner. You have two sons. Sadly between those perks, you suffered a

:22:05.:22:10.

stillbirth and two miscarriages -- between those births. What were the

:22:11.:22:20.

choices like? When I had Oscar I had an emergency Caesarean, after they

:22:21.:22:23.

lost his heart trace, it had dipped, and after that it was traumatic. I

:22:24.:22:33.

was going to have a read next time around, but when I went to have a

:22:34.:22:39.

baby next time around, I left the delivery suite with nothing. I was

:22:40.:22:45.

quite fearful to go back. Not fearful, but I did not want to go

:22:46.:22:50.

back. The NHS were great at the hospital, they were outstanding, and

:22:51.:22:56.

having the miscarriages, it was my last bit of control I had over my

:22:57.:23:00.

pregnancy, that I could choose to have aces Aryan again. -- to have a

:23:01.:23:08.

Caesarean again. That gave me some comfort. You were listened to? They

:23:09.:23:15.

put me in at 16 weeks, I was lucky, they gave me the option that I could

:23:16.:23:19.

change my mind if I went into Labour naturally. I could choose to go

:23:20.:23:24.

naturally, it was up to me, they were fantastic. We have had an

:23:25.:23:31.

e-mail from Gemma, a doctor working in general practice, she has worked

:23:32.:23:36.

in obstetrics and gynaecology and she is aware it safe -- aware

:23:37.:23:50.

patient safety is at risk. She says if 50% of women opted to have

:23:51.:24:00.

Caesareans other parts of the NHS would suffer, she says. She says it

:24:01.:24:06.

has got to be fair to all. 25% of birds have been C section according

:24:07.:24:14.

to the statistics -- births. That includes emergency Caesarean is an

:24:15.:24:22.

elective C sections, some of those can be on medical advice, and the

:24:23.:24:27.

number of C sections which are requested by the woman against

:24:28.:24:32.

medical advice are tiny. Maybe 1-2%, so we're not talking about a great

:24:33.:24:39.

burden the NHS. In terms of costs, no one is suggesting a midwife or

:24:40.:24:42.

doctor makes a clinical decision on a cost basis but those policies, the

:24:43.:24:49.

hospital policies, I mentioned, they are taking cost into account. One

:24:50.:24:55.

person has said on Twitter that Tracy's midwives should have

:24:56.:24:58.

listened to her concerns. No couple should have to go through what they

:24:59.:25:05.

have. Absolutely. I would have expected people to have asked in

:25:06.:25:09.

this case, what we shall previous experience, why did it happen? --

:25:10.:25:15.

what was your previous experience. The midwife should be an advocate

:25:16.:25:20.

for the woman. Is there resistance to Caesarean sections, financially

:25:21.:25:26.

linked or not? You have got to remember, it is major surgery, if we

:25:27.:25:31.

take the financial cost out of it, there is a significant health cost

:25:32.:25:34.

to the woman and her family in recovering from birth, caring for a

:25:35.:25:40.

newborn baby, whilst you have a scar and you are recovering from surgery.

:25:41.:25:45.

What midwives tried to do, where women are able to do so and are

:25:46.:25:50.

happy with that, is to encourage a natural birth because we know these

:25:51.:25:58.

have quicker recovery. People have spoken about natural births and how

:25:59.:26:02.

it went on and on and in the end it ended up in a C section. Is that

:26:03.:26:07.

because there is a desire to hold back on the C section? Maybe it is

:26:08.:26:14.

happening later than it should? I think about where the medical

:26:15.:26:18.

situation indicates that the C section needs to be done quickly it

:26:19.:26:21.

needs to be done within 30 minutes and it will be done within 30

:26:22.:26:25.

minutes. Where you are trying to determine, if the woman will

:26:26.:26:29.

progress if you leave it another half an hour, our, and the woman is

:26:30.:26:34.

happy to continue, you need to let physiology take its course,

:26:35.:26:37.

especially with first pregnancies where it can take much longer. It is

:26:38.:26:43.

important to give women a long enough chance to actually give birth

:26:44.:26:49.

naturally, if they are able to do so. We know that it is the first

:26:50.:26:56.

Caesarean section which then dictates the process of that woman's

:26:57.:27:03.

future births going forward. How much weight should be given to a

:27:04.:27:10.

mother's view? Mothers to be will go to classes and they will see birth

:27:11.:27:14.

plans and they will have a view of how they want the ideal birth to be.

:27:15.:27:22.

We are both smiling at that. I think trying to plan your birth is helpful

:27:23.:27:26.

but it has to be realistic. Especially when you have never given

:27:27.:27:30.

birth before, you might have all sorts of ideas as to how it will go,

:27:31.:27:34.

none of which come to fruition. The birth plan needs to be it but like

:27:35.:27:40.

this, but if not, and if not that, and then actually working it

:27:41.:27:44.

through, and I think the lack of certainty is something some women

:27:45.:27:46.

find difficult to cope with especially if they are feeling

:27:47.:27:51.

frightened. Very important to remember, women are the

:27:52.:27:53.

decision-makers in childbirth, as a matter of law because they have to

:27:54.:27:59.

give consent to any medical procedure which is suggested to them

:28:00.:28:03.

and that means they ultimately decide what happens to them in

:28:04.:28:08.

childbirth. It might mean the birth plans not come to pass. Tracy wanted

:28:09.:28:13.

a Caesarean and she was not allowed. Her decision should have been

:28:14.:28:17.

respected, and that it would have been a much safer outcome for her

:28:18.:28:23.

and her baby, we assume. Making sure women take the decisions in

:28:24.:28:26.

childbirth makes sure you get good quality it safe maternal care and it

:28:27.:28:31.

is very important that women are listened to. As you approach the

:28:32.:28:37.

period when the woman is about to give birth, many women will say they

:28:38.:28:41.

cannot go on, take the baby away, and that is actually because the

:28:42.:28:44.

whole body is changing to be ready to give birth. That is when the

:28:45.:28:49.

midwives offer additional encouragement, that it is going to

:28:50.:28:54.

happen. You need to be aware of a woman saying that I want a Caesarean

:28:55.:29:01.

section and this is why, because of the normal experience of what

:29:02.:29:04.

happens when they are nearing birth, they think they have had enough, but

:29:05.:29:09.

they have got to get going, and then the baby will be there soon, at

:29:10.:29:14.

times. You have got to have a good trusting relationship with the

:29:15.:29:16.

midwives and doctors, making sure that they are respecting the woman.

:29:17.:29:23.

To all of you, thanks for joining us.

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Well - you could be forgiven for thinking otherwise,

:29:28.:29:29.

but officially the EU referendum campaign is only beginning today.

:29:30.:29:31.

The 10-week period between now and June 23rd -

:29:32.:29:34.

when the vote takes place - is the formal campaign period

:29:35.:29:36.

where legal restrictions on campaign spending will apply.

:29:37.:29:38.

Let's go to Iain Watson at Westminster.

:29:39.:29:42.

What difference does it make? It will make some difference, they have

:29:43.:29:50.

jumped the gun, it feels we are in the middle of the campaign, but now

:29:51.:29:58.

we have two designated campaigns, Britain stronger in and Vote Leave.

:29:59.:30:12.

Nigel Farage's campaign lost and the campaign featuring the cabinet

:30:13.:30:16.

ministers, that has won, they now get ?7 million to spend between now

:30:17.:30:22.

and the 23rd of June. There are also rules regarding fair access to

:30:23.:30:26.

airtime and to communicate their message to the wider public.

:30:27.:30:32.

Political parties will also be able to spend, but limits will apply to

:30:33.:30:36.

them, and I think Ukip have around formalin pounds to convince -- ?4

:30:37.:30:44.

million to try and convince us to leave and Labour have around 5.5

:30:45.:30:51.

million to convince us to remain. The kind of tone that will be used

:30:52.:30:54.

for the next ten weeks, that would be interesting, Alistair Darling,

:30:55.:31:03.

former Chancellor, he is going to say that storm clouds are gathering

:31:04.:31:06.

and it looks like there is uncertainty and this is a risk, to

:31:07.:31:13.

leave the EU, and it will be a blow to the British economy and to its

:31:14.:31:15.

reputation and international standing. On the other side, there

:31:16.:31:21.

will be a Brexit blitz, Boris Johnson and others will be bombing

:31:22.:31:24.

around the country, and they will be saying that the money that is going

:31:25.:31:28.

to the EU will be better spent on the NHS, they say that is a positive

:31:29.:31:34.

message. They are not against negative campaigning either, but

:31:35.:31:37.

that will be the dividing line we will see between now and the 23rd of

:31:38.:31:42.

June. But right now, the clock is ticking and people will be watching

:31:43.:31:49.

to see how they spend the money between now and polling day. Thanks

:31:50.:31:51.

for joining us. Still to come, a warning from a

:31:52.:32:02.

leading food manufacturer who says their products should not be eaten

:32:03.:32:09.

every day. Vinyl is back, we will be in the Czech Republic to find out

:32:10.:32:11.

how records are made. Britain has agreed to work

:32:12.:32:20.

with other major European countries Germany, France, Italy and Spain -

:32:21.:32:22.

as well as the UK - will share information on the secret

:32:23.:32:26.

owners of companies and trusts. The Chancellor, George Osborne, said

:32:27.:32:34.

the decision deals a "hammer blow" to those who try to hide their

:32:35.:32:36.

wealth in financial dark corners. Here, a group of MPs is claiming

:32:37.:32:41.

that tax evasion and criminal activity is costing the UK

:32:42.:32:43.

?16 billion a year. The Public Accounts Committee says

:32:44.:32:48.

tax officials at HMRC still aren't It wants a strategy put in place

:32:49.:32:50.

by November to tackle the problem. But HMRC says that tracking down tax

:32:51.:32:56.

evaders is an "absolute priority". A senior coroner has warned

:32:57.:33:04.

of a risk of future deaths if the NHS favours vaginal delivery

:33:05.:33:07.

over caesarean sections Andrew Walker wrote to ministers

:33:08.:33:09.

after the death of a newborn baby at a north London hospital whose

:33:10.:33:15.

mother was denied a planned He said it made him fear that lives

:33:16.:33:18.

were being put at risk. A man has been charged with

:33:19.:33:25.

the attempted murder of a police woman after she was seriously

:33:26.:33:28.

injured in an axe attack. The officer suffered multiple

:33:29.:33:31.

injuries following the attack in Sheffield on Wednesday -

:33:32.:33:33.

including a fractured skull and a broken leg,

:33:34.:33:35.

and she lost a finger. Nathan Sumner, who's 35,

:33:36.:33:40.

has also been charged The EU referendum campaign

:33:41.:33:42.

formally begins today, with voters able to decide

:33:43.:33:49.

whether the UK should stay in Both campaigns will highlight

:33:50.:33:52.

their core messages in a day The amount that they can spend

:33:53.:33:59.

is now subject to strict rules. Rescue teams in Japan

:34:00.:34:12.

are still searching for survivors after a powerful earthquake left

:34:13.:34:15.

at least nine people dead Tens of thousands of people

:34:16.:34:17.

fled their homes after the 6.5-magnitude quake struck

:34:18.:34:20.

the south-western island of Kyushu Officials warned the death toll

:34:21.:34:22.

could rise as rescuers search The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge

:34:23.:34:27.

are following in the footsteps of Prince Charles today as they trek

:34:28.:34:32.

into the mountains of Bhutan. It's a walk and climb that will take

:34:33.:34:36.

the royal couple up to six hours to reach the historic

:34:37.:34:39.

Tiger's Nest monastery, a journey completed by William's

:34:40.:34:41.

father back in 1988. That's a summary of the latest news,

:34:42.:34:52.

join me for BBC Newsroom And thank you. Let's catch up with

:34:53.:35:06.

the sport. The very latest from Jessica. Hello again.

:35:07.:35:09.

The newspaper back pages are calling it a miracle.

:35:10.:35:11.

Liverpool staged one of the most dramatic comebacks in the club's

:35:12.:35:14.

history last night, as they came from 2-nil down,

:35:15.:35:16.

and then 3-1 down to beat Borussia Dortmund 4-3 on the night,

:35:17.:35:19.

5-4 on aggregate, and go through to the semi-finals

:35:20.:35:21.

Fernando Alonso has been cleared to race in the Chinese Grand Prix,

:35:22.:35:25.

The Spaniard had to sit out the Bahrain Grand Prix two weeks

:35:26.:35:30.

ago, but doctors gave him the go-ahead for this weekend

:35:31.:35:32.

after he came through first practice in Shanghai.

:35:33.:35:39.

World number two Andy Murray is on court now in the quarter

:35:40.:35:42.

He's currently a break up in the opening set

:35:43.:35:47.

And Commonwealth champions Jazz Carlin and Fran Halsall

:35:48.:35:56.

missed out on automatic Olympic qualification at the British

:35:57.:35:58.

Carlin won the 800 metre freestyle, and Halsall the 50 metres free,

:35:59.:36:05.

but both failed to get the required time for a spot in Rio.

:36:06.:36:08.

That is all the sport for this morning. Great stuff, thank you very

:36:09.:36:16.

much, Jess. Wildlife experts have come up with a plan to reintroduce

:36:17.:36:23.

Tigers to some part of the world where their populations are very

:36:24.:36:29.

low. Ministers hope that it will help to increase the population.

:36:30.:36:33.

Sally Davis is from a charity that works for the survival of endangered

:36:34.:36:37.

animals in the world. Thank you for joining us. How will this work? Good

:36:38.:36:43.

morning. It is an interesting proposal and I think that we are

:36:44.:36:46.

very glad that Tigers are being discussed at this level. Often they

:36:47.:36:53.

are the poor relation in terms of endangered wildlife. Elephants get a

:36:54.:37:00.

lot of the world's attention, but wild tigers are teetering around

:37:01.:37:04.

3000. Unfortunately, some of the proposals are perhaps misguided and

:37:05.:37:11.

miss times. What we really need is a full-scale investment into new Tiger

:37:12.:37:14.

habitats. Simply reintroducing them to places where the habitats have

:37:15.:37:18.

not been strong enough and managed well enough, where wildlife crime

:37:19.:37:24.

and wildlife trade has been rife, and driven populations to

:37:25.:37:27.

extinction, if we put animals back in those places, the same thing will

:37:28.:37:31.

happen again. What is the evidence that those issues will be addressed

:37:32.:37:35.

when the Tigers are moved to those places, potentially? That is the

:37:36.:37:40.

worry at the moment and we're not sure what that is. There are some

:37:41.:37:49.

initiatives going on around the world, and countries such as India

:37:50.:37:53.

and Thailand need to be commended but it is not enough. Tiger

:37:54.:37:56.

populations teeter on the brink in some of these countries and we need

:37:57.:38:00.

greater commitment to some of these issues, such as habitat and tiger

:38:01.:38:06.

trade. So if there is no guarantee, that changes will be made,

:38:07.:38:10.

potentially Tigers should not be moved, because it could worsen

:38:11.:38:15.

problems? I think that is absolutely right. At best it is a waste of

:38:16.:38:20.

resources and detrimental to the tigers involved. We need to get

:38:21.:38:25.

habitat protection right first. Tiger stepping stones and corridors

:38:26.:38:29.

are very important otherwise these communities will shrink every time

:38:30.:38:34.

there is urbanisation of an area and destinations of forests. Healthy

:38:35.:38:37.

tigers mean healthy forests and healthy forests healthy planet. We

:38:38.:38:42.

need to investigate these habitat structure is first of all. There is

:38:43.:38:45.

no point in putting tigers back into a place where the population is

:38:46.:38:49.

close to being wiped out without doing more than is currently being

:38:50.:38:53.

done. What are the figures on tiger population? You say that there has

:38:54.:38:59.

been a recovery recently? The news from the end of last week about

:39:00.:39:04.

tiger populations is encouraging. We traditionally worked on a figure of

:39:05.:39:09.

around 3000 or 3200 left in the wild. Recent data suggest that is

:39:10.:39:14.

nearer 3800. It is very difficult to know. Tigers are animals that move

:39:15.:39:23.

and are difficult to count. But also some of these countries do not have

:39:24.:39:27.

the resources to undertake accurate population counts. Some of the

:39:28.:39:30.

countries have gone from loose estimates to a count and sometimes

:39:31.:39:34.

from a counter to a loose estimate, so we take figures with scepticism.

:39:35.:39:39.

Anything is good but we are talking about an overall global population

:39:40.:39:43.

of less than 4000 for a species in the wild, which is a damning

:39:44.:39:48.

indictment on one man has done to tiger habitats. Celebrating these

:39:49.:39:52.

tiny increases is really quite a sad situation to be in. It is good that

:39:53.:40:00.

it is moving in the right direction but this is a tiny population that

:40:01.:40:02.

needs all the resources and attention we can give it. Thank you

:40:03.:40:04.

very much. We're being told to cut back

:40:05.:40:05.

on eating some Dolmio and Uncle Ben's food sauces

:40:06.:40:08.

because they are so high Mars Food, which owns the brands,

:40:09.:40:10.

says some products should only be consumed once a week

:40:11.:40:14.

rather than a daily basis. The company also plans to cut

:40:15.:40:16.

the salt content of its products Campaigners have welcomed the move

:40:17.:40:19.

but say the Government must do more to ensure labelling is adopted

:40:20.:40:23.

across the industry. Joining me now is Tam Fry,

:40:24.:40:26.

from the National Obesity Forum, and nutritionist Jenny Rosborough

:40:27.:40:31.

from the campaign Also joining us from Central London,

:40:32.:40:33.

Harry Wallop, who is a consumer And from our Westminster studio,

:40:34.:40:41.

Andrew Opie - he is the director of food policy

:40:42.:40:44.

at the British Retail Consortium. Thank you very much all of you for

:40:45.:40:54.

joining us. It is unusual, isn't it, when a company says don't consume

:40:55.:41:01.

something we are making more than once a week? Very unusual but very

:41:02.:41:07.

imaginative. I think it started the move towards all companies working

:41:08.:41:11.

this way. They have done a lot in terms of health and well-being over

:41:12.:41:14.

the last few years but this is the first time that they have done it in

:41:15.:41:20.

this case. I welcome it immensely. Andrew, what are the considerations

:41:21.:41:25.

and pressures on companies to do something like this? There are

:41:26.:41:29.

pressures because although the consumers who come into our shops,

:41:30.:41:33.

they have healthy food on their mind and healthy diet on their mind. They

:41:34.:41:37.

are thinking about the family when they are shopping. Therefore, it is

:41:38.:41:41.

an important thing. That is why retailers have taken such a huge

:41:42.:41:45.

step over the last decade in terms of formulating products, taking the

:41:46.:41:50.

salt and sugar out, and also clear labelling. Major retailers, they

:41:51.:41:55.

were the first to get behind the government's front of pack labelling

:41:56.:41:59.

scheme launched a few years ago. Let's take a look at some of the

:42:00.:42:01.

products that will be affected. Dolmio Original

:42:02.:42:06.

tomato Lasagne sauce. Mars are advising customers to only

:42:07.:42:07.

consume once a week rather Each 500g jar of lasagne

:42:08.:42:10.

sauce like this one It also contains 32 grams of sugar

:42:11.:42:14.

and 4 grams of salt. Mars is also cutting the level

:42:15.:42:23.

of sugar in some of its products. One of those affected by that change

:42:24.:42:30.

is Uncle Ben's Rice Time Sweet and Each 450g jar like this one contains

:42:31.:42:37.

0.36 grams of fat. It also contains over 32 grams

:42:38.:42:41.

of sugar and 1.69 grams of salt. Henry, are the manufacturers being

:42:42.:42:54.

responsible here? Yes, they are. I think it is a brave decision. They

:42:55.:42:58.

are flagging up that some of their products, which people use on a

:42:59.:43:04.

daily basis, one of the sources affected is pesto. A lot of parents

:43:05.:43:11.

will feed their children pesto more than once a week. Another parent

:43:12.:43:15.

said that is a reason to feel guilty about the food that they feed their

:43:16.:43:19.

children. It is a strange decision by Mars. Possibly they will look

:43:20.:43:23.

very clever in a few years when they can say that they moved first before

:43:24.:43:27.

they were pushed when legislation comes in. It is focusing thoughts,

:43:28.:43:33.

Jenny, on the number of times we should be eating products like

:43:34.:43:36.

certain pasta sauces. What do you think about that? It is great that

:43:37.:43:43.

they are raising awareness but the challenge is that only the

:43:44.:43:45.

health-conscious will look at the labels in the first place, so it

:43:46.:43:49.

will not necessarily hit the people who needed them most. As Andrew was

:43:50.:43:54.

saying, we really need these targets to continue to reduce the sugar,

:43:55.:43:59.

salt and fat in a product. Ideally, you want them to be regulated

:44:00.:44:03.

because without that, manufacturers and retailers are moving quicker

:44:04.:44:06.

than some others, so it is not fair on them. We need regular ones that

:44:07.:44:11.

they can move towards together. It begs the question, while an labels

:44:12.:44:16.

not put on a wider range of products, particularly sweet ones?

:44:17.:44:25.

You have a problem with labelling, because it is in the purview of the

:44:26.:44:28.

European Community. There is legislation where they have to

:44:29.:44:31.

follow a particular pattern. It is expensive to change labelling and

:44:32.:44:38.

that is why Mars have gone one leap ahead to put this additional

:44:39.:44:41.

information on. What you have to do is to see a complete revolution in

:44:42.:44:45.

labelling so that the purchaser has a clear idea of what is inside. All

:44:46.:44:52.

of the focus on labelling and what manufacturers are doing, does it

:44:53.:44:55.

take away from individual responsibility? In the end, the

:44:56.:45:00.

individual is totally responsible for what he or she consumes. But

:45:01.:45:04.

they can only do that on an informed choice and at the moment, the

:45:05.:45:07.

information is very sketchy. Anything that can be done to allow

:45:08.:45:14.

the purchaser to have a much better idea of what they are ticking off

:45:15.:45:19.

the they put occasional, it means occasional. It is a once a week

:45:20.:45:23.

operation. If it is every day, the purchaser knows that there is

:45:24.:45:26.

certainly stuff in there which should not be over consumed, but it

:45:27.:45:31.

can be consumed quite safely on a daily basis.

:45:32.:45:33.

The consumer can only work with what they have got, parents are busy, and

:45:34.:45:44.

they are buying the pre-packaged tough at times and that is why we

:45:45.:45:50.

need to work at the new formulations, reducing the unhealthy

:45:51.:45:54.

elements of each product. The companies said they are changing

:45:55.:45:58.

some products, but others won't be, they say the reason they are not

:45:59.:46:02.

changing those recipes is to maintain the authentic nature of

:46:03.:46:07.

them. Are those products not dissimilar to what people would be

:46:08.:46:10.

producing with home cooking? Do we need to be looking at every aspect?

:46:11.:46:16.

We do. We have more control over salt and sugar, when we are doing

:46:17.:46:22.

that at home, 75% of the salt we consume is in packaged stuff, not

:46:23.:46:26.

what we are making at home, we do not have an issue with that. Really,

:46:27.:46:32.

I think we need more regulation around the amount they can put in

:46:33.:46:35.

their product in the first place, although they want to keep the

:46:36.:46:40.

recipes, we want people's taste preferences to change, to get used

:46:41.:46:45.

to less salt and Schiller, but if they still have those ones on the

:46:46.:46:48.

market, that will not happen, if they are the most popular one

:46:49.:46:54.

stashed less salt and sugar. How much blame to you put on the

:46:55.:46:58.

manufacturers for changing our taste buds? They have been quite

:46:59.:47:04.

responsible with salt, in the last ten years, the sliced bread we have

:47:05.:47:09.

has significant less salt, 20%, than we had growing up, but these changes

:47:10.:47:15.

are long time to reformulate and for consumers not to complain. Most

:47:16.:47:21.

companies are fighting to be, who is the most responsible, not who is

:47:22.:47:27.

making the tastiest food question not that seems to be forgotten, and

:47:28.:47:31.

so I welcome the fact that Mars are refusing to change the recipe on a

:47:32.:47:34.

few of their products, because basically they are saying it will

:47:35.:47:39.

not taste very nice. Pesto sauce without the olive oil is not very

:47:40.:47:44.

nice. We have got to take the responsibility ourselves and choose

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wisely. Yes, this is extra information, but it is slightly

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preaching to the converted and people who already food labels. With

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a company like Mars, you think about the other products that are being

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produced, do the companies need to be more explicit regarding labels on

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sweet products about how they should be consumed? Our companies are, they

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put the labels on the front of the packets. They do not say how often?

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The purpose of the traffic light system is to make people stop and

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think about their consumption and it does the job it was intended to do.

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The other thing we have not spoken about, it is not all about

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reformulation, you are right about taste, people have got to want to

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buy the product. You can also look at portion size, it is not

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necessarily about changing the formulation, but maybe presenting it

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in a way which is in a smaller portion that it has been previously.

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And much responsibility to the manufacturers need to take full

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portion size and the levels of salt and sugar that we have got used to?

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It is important and our members have been working on this for a number of

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years, we know customers want to do the right thing and anything we can

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do to help them to do that is what we want to do because that reflects

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well on the brand and it means customers will want to continue to

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shop with them. How much responsibility do you put on

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manufacturers for the obesity levels? Considerable responsibility,

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but the greater responsibility has to be shown by the government

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because they create the playing field from which we play. If the

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food industry and the drinks industry are not regulated, they are

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free to go and do their own thing and that is what has happened in the

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past. We bring in the sugar levy, that will help the whole process, of

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companies being more responsible, understanding that to have surgery

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grams of sugar in a jar is too much by far. -- to have 38 grams. They

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need to have a push, though. The sugar levy is quite limited in its

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application, how much difference will that make? It is starting with

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the sugary drinks, purely because it is easier to take the sugar out of

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sugary drinks and they contain lower nutritional value. So we are not

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losing that. The evidence is full sugary drinks in terms of relating

:50:32.:50:40.

to increased risk of weight gain and diabetes, and so they are starting

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with a good thing, but they are encouraging the manufacturer to

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reduce their sugar and have better tax, and so they have got time to do

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that. To all of you, thanks for joining us.

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It was a day created to revive dwindling independent record sales,

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Ahead of tomorrow's Record Store Day, the boss of one

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of the world's biggest vinyl producing factories says the event

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has become less important than it once was.

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However, eight years after it launched in the US, Michal Sterba

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of GZ Media says it is a brilliant celebration of the format.

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UK vinyl sales reached a 21-year high last year, helping

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But how exactly is a vinyl record made?

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Radio 1 Newsbeat's Steve Holden went to meet Michal at his factory

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This is the sleepy village of Lodenice in the heart

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It is also home to one of the world's largest vinyl

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In the early 90s, production slowed to around 300,000

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But then the come back happened and last year it

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This is the boss and he gave us special access to his factory

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and he showed us exactly how a vinyl is made.

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We cut the music, the groove is cut into the copper plate.

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The music is transferred via a diamond stylus

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Approximately one hour for one title.

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Two sides, but a lot of preparation time as well.

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In a different part of the factory, workers make stampers.

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They are the discs which a vinyl record is mass produced from.

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Several stampers are made from one master.

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It involves taking the copperplate, the vinyl master, from

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A layer of nickel has formed on it that is then separated,

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washed and then dried before being sent to the presses.

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What is going on here, it looks busy?

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It is where every single record is manufactured.

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Some of these machines have been here for decades?

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Some of them are 40 years old, basically, and some are brand-new.

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In 2016, there is so much new technology, there is something

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very old-fashioned about having old machinery making a product

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It is still the old technology which is based on the same

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There are far fewer machines here, just lots of careful hands.

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Each record is packaged individually, one by one.

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2000 employees across the factory producing 65,000 records per day.

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Everything from new releases to old classics.

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Radio 1 Newsbeat's Steve Holden reporting there.

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Now, watch this amazingly cute video of an orangutan

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who met her baby for the first time since they were separated

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The offspring was delivered by Caesarean section,

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so the mother had to recuperate away from her baby for 11 days.

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Isn't that gorgeous? You have been getting in touch. Many comments.

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These are some on the subject of cleaning teeth. And the increase in

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the number children having teed surgically removed because decay.

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Robin says, even rinsing your teeth after easing or drinking or eating

:56:11.:56:17.

sweets is a big help. Another one says you cannot talk about this

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without asking parents why they have let this happen to their children?

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Another one says, this is a legacy of the lack of NHS dentists and not

:56:28.:56:33.

just access sugar. Can parents access regular dental care? Another

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one says they are in their 50s and they have had a few problems, but

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they have given up sweets. They use lemon slices and a small amount of

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the Jews in the water to flavour their drinks,

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another one, "I remember a group of mothers complaining about Ribena".

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She says these women had given Ribena to their children, causing

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their front teeth to rot. She says, do people never learn? Sarah has

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said, she went for an induction on Monday morning and she has two wombs

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and she was pressured to take a natural birth, despite knowing the

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complications, and after two failed inductions she was told on Wednesday

:57:42.:57:45.

she would have a C section but then she was put on a hormonal drip

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instead. We have had many comments on Caesarean sections. We appreciate

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everything, we do read everything, although we cannot read it all out

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on air. We appreciate your contribution. It is great to hear

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from you. You can keep in touch any time through social media. To find

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us on Facebook, search Victoria Gulliksen. Text messages will be

:58:15.:58:22.

sent at the standard rate -- Victoria Derbyshire. I will see you

:58:23.:58:26.

soon. Thanks for your company.

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