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An investigation by this programme shows the government is paying out | :00:07. | :00:15. | |
millions of pounds in compensation to failed asylum seekers and foreign | :00:16. | :00:18. | |
criminals who are illegally detained while awaiting deportation. | :00:19. | :00:26. | |
This is crazy. Just wasting your time and my time, yeah and taxpayers | :00:27. | :00:34. | |
time and wasting money as well. It is just all waste, waste. | :00:35. | :00:37. | |
Violent crime has been dropping for years but the trend | :00:38. | :00:40. | |
We'll look at why this could be happening and talk to two | :00:41. | :00:45. | |
And how does Prince William, the next in line to | :00:46. | :00:49. | |
the throne-but-one, answer criticism that he's "work shy"? | :00:50. | :00:51. | |
I'm concentrating very much on my role as a father. I am a new father | :00:52. | :01:00. | |
and I take my duties and my responsibilities to my family very | :01:01. | :01:01. | |
seriously. and if you text, you will be charged | :01:02. | :01:21. | |
at the standard network rate. The Government is paying more | :01:22. | :01:30. | |
than ?4 million each year in compensation to people who have | :01:31. | :01:33. | |
been held unlawfully A Freedom of Information request | :01:34. | :01:36. | |
for this programme found that over ?18 million has been paid out over | :01:37. | :01:39. | |
the past four years. The centres hold people | :01:40. | :01:42. | |
the Government is trying to deport, including failed asylum-seekers | :01:43. | :01:44. | |
and foreign prisoners. The Director of Detention Action, | :01:45. | :01:46. | |
Jerome Phelps, told us that people being held in detention often have | :01:47. | :01:48. | |
no idea when they're going to be released, | :01:49. | :01:51. | |
unlike those in prison. In prison you count your days down. | :01:52. | :01:56. | |
In detention you count your days up. The UK is the only country in Europe | :01:57. | :02:00. | |
that has no time limit to detention. Every other European country limits | :02:01. | :02:05. | |
the maximum period of detention. People are getting big | :02:06. | :02:08. | |
pay-outs from the government because they are being detained | :02:09. | :02:12. | |
unlawfully by the Home Office. Immigration detention is lawful | :02:13. | :02:17. | |
in certain circumstances where the Home Office is attempting | :02:18. | :02:19. | |
to deport someone and there is a reasonable prospect | :02:20. | :02:24. | |
of that taking place. But what we are seeing | :02:25. | :02:26. | |
is people are being detained for months, often for years - | :02:27. | :02:30. | |
long after it becomes apparent that there is no prospect | :02:31. | :02:33. | |
of their deportation More on that story in ten minutes | :02:34. | :02:35. | |
time. Joanna Gosling is in the BBC | :02:36. | :02:46. | |
Newsroom with a summary The Port Talbot steel chief | :02:47. | :02:48. | |
is forming a management buy-out team to start the process of bidding | :02:49. | :02:54. | |
to take over Tata's UK operation which employs | :02:55. | :03:02. | |
15,000 people. It's believed the deal | :03:03. | :03:03. | |
would involve steel-making continuing at Port Talbot, | :03:04. | :03:05. | |
despite its huge losses. Managers would ask employees to help | :03:06. | :03:07. | |
finance the new company with their own money, | :03:08. | :03:09. | |
as well as looking for private With us now is Tomos Morgan - | :03:10. | :03:12. | |
our Wales correspondent - Thomas, tell us more about the | :03:13. | :03:20. | |
plans. How well formed are they? Well, as you say, Joanna this is the | :03:21. | :03:25. | |
MD of the Port Talbot site here in South Wales and the idea is that | :03:26. | :03:28. | |
they would all come together to try and buy the whole of the UK Tata | :03:29. | :03:33. | |
operation. Now that would need significant investment from the UK | :03:34. | :03:36. | |
Government as well as some of the workers chipping in as well and | :03:37. | :03:39. | |
maybe some private investment as well and yesterday, was the last day | :03:40. | :03:44. | |
of people expressing an interest in buying Tata across the UK and the | :03:45. | :03:50. | |
only other company that we heard of that had interest in buying Port | :03:51. | :03:55. | |
Talbot was Liberty Steel. The idea was maybe turning one or two of the | :03:56. | :04:03. | |
big blast furnaces in arc furnaces, you about this idea would keep those | :04:04. | :04:08. | |
blast furnaces intact and keep the creation of UK steel. The unions | :04:09. | :04:15. | |
have welcomed this idea from Stewart Wilkie and welcomed the new | :04:16. | :04:18. | |
different style of buying the company, but whether or not they can | :04:19. | :04:23. | |
guarantee that investment from the UK Government remains to be seen and | :04:24. | :04:26. | |
whether or not they can get anymore private buyers to help that buy-out | :04:27. | :04:30. | |
also is another question that needs to be asked. In terms of other | :04:31. | :04:34. | |
investors, we haven't heard of anyone so far, so the only two | :04:35. | :04:39. | |
realistic prospects are Liberty Steel and this management buy-out | :04:40. | :04:44. | |
that we heard from Stewart Wilkie overnight. Thank you very much, | :04:45. | :04:45. | |
Thomas. Prince William has answered | :04:46. | :04:47. | |
accusations that he's He says he's focusing | :04:48. | :04:51. | |
on his roles as a father and an air ambulance pilot | :04:52. | :04:54. | |
and he'll take on more responsibilities when | :04:55. | :04:56. | |
the time is right. In a BBC interview ahead | :04:57. | :04:58. | |
of the Queen's 90th birthday tomorrow, the Prince also talked | :04:59. | :05:00. | |
about the "incredible insights" Our royal correspondent, | :05:01. | :05:02. | |
Nicholas Witchell, reports. He has more reason than most | :05:03. | :05:08. | |
to observe how the Queen goes about her role as monarch, | :05:09. | :05:10. | |
one day the task will be his. In his BBC interview William paid | :05:11. | :05:14. | |
tribute to his grandmother's sense of duty and her commitment | :05:15. | :05:17. | |
to others, but William's own commitment to Royal duty has | :05:18. | :05:20. | |
been questioned in recent months. Some newspapers have | :05:21. | :05:23. | |
described him as work shy. So to what extect does he share | :05:24. | :05:25. | |
the Queen's sense of duty? I take my responsibilities very | :05:26. | :05:31. | |
seriously, but it's about finding your own way at the right time | :05:32. | :05:35. | |
and if you're not careful, duty can sort of weigh you down | :05:36. | :05:37. | |
an awful lot at a very early age and I think that you've got | :05:38. | :05:41. | |
to develop into the duty role. William spoke about the importance | :05:42. | :05:51. | |
he attaches his to his role as an air ambulance pilot | :05:52. | :05:53. | |
in East Anglia and to the time he spends with his wife and children | :05:54. | :06:00. | |
and he said his entire family supported the fact that he is not | :06:01. | :06:04. | |
yet fully engaged with Royal duties. My grandmother and my father | :06:05. | :06:07. | |
are 150% supportive behind everything I'm doing | :06:08. | :06:09. | |
and Harry and Catherine. They very much understand that | :06:10. | :06:11. | |
whilst my grandmother is still extremely active | :06:12. | :06:14. | |
at the helm of the Royal Family, as the monarch, my father is busy | :06:15. | :06:17. | |
with his transport responsibilities There is the time now and the space | :06:18. | :06:22. | |
to explore other means of doing When the time comes for the Queen | :06:23. | :06:30. | |
to hand over more responsibilities, William said he would grasp those | :06:31. | :06:34. | |
duties willingly and looking further ahead to the time when he is king, | :06:35. | :06:36. | |
he said it would be for him to ensure that the Royal Family | :06:37. | :06:40. | |
modernised and remained relevant. The Royal Mail has released | :06:41. | :06:49. | |
an historic image of The Queen, Prince Charles, Prince William | :06:50. | :06:52. | |
and Prince George, that will be used to make four new postage stamps | :06:53. | :06:54. | |
to mark the Queen's 90th birthday. Prince George can be seen posing | :06:55. | :06:58. | |
for his very first stamp while perched on a pile | :06:59. | :07:00. | |
of foam blocks. The Royal Mail has also produced | :07:01. | :07:03. | |
a further six stamps A group of senior ex-US | :07:04. | :07:06. | |
advisors has warned Eight former US Treasury Secretaries | :07:07. | :07:15. | |
warned that leaving would be a "risky bet", | :07:16. | :07:23. | |
saying it could threaten London's In an article published on the eve | :07:24. | :07:26. | |
of President Obama's visit to London they said it would be difficult | :07:27. | :07:30. | |
to trade outside the single Leave campaigners accused the group | :07:31. | :07:32. | |
of "belittling Britain's The body of a British | :07:33. | :07:36. | |
man who went missing in the Andes mountains of Peru, | :07:37. | :07:43. | |
has been found almost two weeks Harry Greaves had been | :07:44. | :07:45. | |
visiting friends in Pisac, about 50 miles from Machu Picchu, | :07:46. | :07:49. | |
when he left for a solo hike two His family have paid tribute to him | :07:50. | :07:52. | |
and thanked people for their help A new study suggests that primary | :07:53. | :07:56. | |
school children who go to after-school clubs or take part | :07:57. | :08:02. | |
in sports lessons get better Research carried out | :08:03. | :08:05. | |
by the Institute of Education compared the academic performance | :08:06. | :08:09. | |
of more than 6,000 children, taking into account | :08:10. | :08:11. | |
their involvement in Here's our Education | :08:12. | :08:12. | |
Correspondent, Robert Pigott. When classes end at Morningside | :08:13. | :08:20. | |
Primary School in Hackney, they roll out the pastry | :08:21. | :08:23. | |
and the fun begins. By the age of 11, more affluent | :08:24. | :08:27. | |
children are normally doing significantly better in tests | :08:28. | :08:31. | |
than disadvantaged pupils. But researchers found that poorer | :08:32. | :08:33. | |
pupils who took part in two clubs like this one each week managed | :08:34. | :08:36. | |
to cut that gap in The research we carried out found | :08:37. | :08:40. | |
that taking part in organised sports and after-school activities helped | :08:41. | :08:48. | |
to improve primary schoolchildren's Children themselves say that feeling | :08:49. | :08:50. | |
physically fit helps them relax The clubs help them to build | :08:51. | :08:59. | |
their social skills. But perhaps most important of all, | :09:00. | :09:04. | |
it helps children to have something to succeed at, | :09:05. | :09:07. | |
with dramatic effects It helps with your schoolwork | :09:08. | :09:09. | |
because you make new friends, You want to enjoy your learning, | :09:10. | :09:15. | |
so when you are doing maths My body is all cranky, | :09:16. | :09:21. | |
and doing hula hooping helps you come alive and just makes | :09:22. | :09:28. | |
you see the real you. The study found disadvantaged | :09:29. | :09:33. | |
children often can't afford But Morningside Primary's 33 | :09:34. | :09:35. | |
after-school clubs are free, and half of its pupils go to them, | :09:36. | :09:41. | |
transforming their Presidential hopefuls Donald Trump | :09:42. | :09:44. | |
and Hillary Clinton have scored big wins in New York, | :09:45. | :09:55. | |
in the contest to choose the It's not yet known if Mr Trump has | :09:56. | :09:57. | |
secured a clean sweep of all Republican delegates | :09:58. | :10:02. | |
at stake, by earning Victory for Mrs Clinton ends a run | :10:03. | :10:04. | |
of recent defeats against her A long-term decline in violence | :10:05. | :10:09. | |
in England and Wales may Scientists are hoping that | :10:10. | :10:20. | |
a new trial could lead to a breakthrough in the prevention | :10:21. | :10:23. | |
of type 1 diabetes in children. It tends to emerge in childhood and | :10:24. | :10:29. | |
cannot be prevented: A long-term decline in violence | :10:30. | :10:35. | |
in England and Wales may There was no major improvement last | :10:36. | :10:49. | |
year. More than 200,000 people are estimated to have attended hospital | :10:50. | :10:52. | |
emergency departments for injuries as a result of violence last year. | :10:53. | :10:56. | |
The singer, Lily Allen, has been telling BBC Newsnight | :10:57. | :10:58. | |
about the night a stalker broke into her house. | :10:59. | :11:00. | |
Alex Gray was convicted this month, but the singer now says she thinks | :11:01. | :11:04. | |
the police dealing with the case "victim-shamed" her | :11:05. | :11:06. | |
Something is really wrong with this guy and I feel like you know, he has | :11:07. | :11:21. | |
been let down. I have been let down and how many other people are being | :11:22. | :11:24. | |
let down? That's a summary of | :11:25. | :11:26. | |
the latest BBC News. We will talk more about stalking | :11:27. | :11:37. | |
later on as a result of that interview that Lily Allen gave to | :11:38. | :11:41. | |
news night and we will hear from Prince William. He fends off | :11:42. | :11:46. | |
criticism that he is a slightly reluctant royal. | :11:47. | :11:50. | |
Here is some sport now with Will. It's described on the back | :11:51. | :11:55. | |
of The Times as an "offside goal that may cost Newcastle | :11:56. | :12:02. | |
?60 million". The Daily Telegraph goes | :12:03. | :12:03. | |
with "the Great Toon Robbery". It finished 1-1 between Newcastle | :12:04. | :12:05. | |
and Manchester City, denying Newcastle the chance to move | :12:06. | :12:08. | |
out of the relegation zone, but Sergio Aguero's goal | :12:09. | :12:11. | |
was clearly offside. This was in the 14th | :12:12. | :12:12. | |
minute last night. Before Alexsander Kolarov takes | :12:13. | :12:17. | |
the freekick, Aguero fails to get back onside before heading | :12:18. | :12:19. | |
in for his 100th 17 minutes later, the home side | :12:20. | :12:21. | |
were level thanks to this Their manager Rafa Benitez as ever, | :12:22. | :12:28. | |
was a bit more diplomatic. We wanted to win, but after that | :12:29. | :12:58. | |
against Manchester City, the reaction of the team was so positive | :12:59. | :13:01. | |
that you have to be pleased. Pleased for the fans. Pleased for the | :13:02. | :13:05. | |
players and hopefully this point will be important at the end of the | :13:06. | :13:07. | |
season. Yet another former champion | :13:08. | :13:12. | |
has been knocked out of the World Snooker | :13:13. | :13:14. | |
Championship in Sheffield. The 2010 winner Neil Robertson | :13:15. | :13:15. | |
was the fifth to go at the Crucible. The Australian lost | :13:16. | :13:23. | |
by 10 -6 to Michael Holt from Nottingham, who'd come | :13:24. | :13:25. | |
through three rounds of qualifying He'll play another former champion, | :13:26. | :13:28. | |
Mark Williams, in the next round, I know I can compete if I feel | :13:29. | :13:38. | |
comfortable and play and to finally do it a big one. They say water | :13:39. | :13:42. | |
doesn't break through rock because it is strong, because it is | :13:43. | :13:47. | |
persistent. Yeah, I've won a match! I can't believe it. We will be live | :13:48. | :13:52. | |
at The Crucible after 10am this morning for a little peek backstage. | :13:53. | :13:58. | |
This will make some of you shudder. Bernie Ecclestone has claimed that | :13:59. | :14:02. | |
female drivers would not physically be able to drive a Formula One car | :14:03. | :14:07. | |
quickly. The 85-year-old said last night that he doesn't think a woman | :14:08. | :14:10. | |
would be taken seriously in the sport, but he does believe an | :14:11. | :14:14. | |
increasing number of women would take Formula One Chief Executive | :14:15. | :14:19. | |
position in the future. Ecclestone says women are more confident and | :14:20. | :14:23. | |
they don't have massive egos! When you are chasing promotion in | :14:24. | :14:29. | |
League one, you would be forgiven for having your mind focussed on the | :14:30. | :14:40. | |
end of the season sh but Calum ears did pick up after he heard his car | :14:41. | :14:45. | |
registration being announced. As soon as I heard the reg, I thought | :14:46. | :14:51. | |
that's my numberplate. I said that's my car. That's my car that they have | :14:52. | :14:55. | |
just called out. I thought I had blocked someone in, I didn't hear | :14:56. | :15:00. | |
that I left my lights on! You've left your lights on Victoria! | :15:01. | :15:06. | |
I'll have the headlines for you at 9.30am. | :15:07. | :15:10. | |
An investigation by this programme has discovered that over the past | :15:11. | :15:17. | |
four years the government has paid out more than ?18 million | :15:18. | :15:19. | |
in compensation to people held unlawfully in immigration detention | :15:20. | :15:22. | |
The centres hold people the government wants to deport | :15:23. | :15:25. | |
and the biggest pay-out by the Home Office was ?155,000. | :15:26. | :15:27. | |
Catrin Nye has this exclusive report. | :15:28. | :15:31. | |
He says he left the army there without permission. | :15:32. | :15:35. | |
As well as getting into trouble with the police, constantly. | :15:36. | :15:43. | |
Back home, I meet a girl and she was a Christian and we used | :15:44. | :15:46. | |
I was walking in the park and we was kissing each | :15:47. | :15:53. | |
other and all that and the police catch us. | :15:54. | :15:59. | |
I used to love women, yeah, girl, I mean, | :16:00. | :16:02. | |
I was, you call it womaniser, you know? | :16:03. | :16:11. | |
And I couldn't be allowed in Iran to do these things | :16:12. | :16:13. | |
I like it because it is free country, do | :16:14. | :16:19. | |
He ended up homeless and with a serious drug | :16:20. | :16:27. | |
The security guard was challenging me over shoplifting. | :16:28. | :16:33. | |
I didn't have to stab him but the crack | :16:34. | :16:42. | |
cocaine, when you take crack cocaine you are out of your head. | :16:43. | :16:45. | |
Hamid was sentenced to 12 months and served six | :16:46. | :16:47. | |
He was sent straight to immigration detention for automatic deportation | :16:48. | :16:53. | |
Immigration detention centres are holding centres | :16:54. | :16:59. | |
for all different categories of people that the | :17:00. | :17:01. | |
But Iran would not accept Hamid back, he | :17:02. | :17:08. | |
doesn't have a passport and the UK government can't prove he's | :17:09. | :17:11. | |
Three and a half years detained, under immigration law, | :17:12. | :17:14. | |
And they knew I'm Iranian, they cannot deport | :17:15. | :17:19. | |
an Iranian guy, they cannot, without a passport and identity, | :17:20. | :17:21. | |
Hamid was awarded ?33,000 compensation for | :17:22. | :17:25. | |
In his case because he could not be sent back | :17:26. | :17:30. | |
The government has been paying out millions in compensation | :17:31. | :17:38. | |
to those it should not have held in immigration detention. | :17:39. | :17:43. | |
A total of more than ?18 million over four years. | :17:44. | :17:50. | |
Immigration detention centres hold people the government is trying | :17:51. | :17:52. | |
This includes failed asylum seekers, foreign national | :17:53. | :17:55. | |
prisoners and those who have overstayed their visas. | :17:56. | :18:01. | |
Around 30,000 people pass through every | :18:02. | :18:07. | |
year, the majority are there for less than two months. | :18:08. | :18:09. | |
Many taxpayers would be greatly annoyed and | :18:10. | :18:16. | |
offended that their money is going not only to look after someone who | :18:17. | :18:22. | |
should not be in these detention centres but we are having to pay | :18:23. | :18:26. | |
out compensation because the courts have deemed that they have been | :18:27. | :18:28. | |
The difference between prison and detention is that in prison | :18:29. | :18:38. | |
you know when you are going to be released | :18:39. | :18:40. | |
The UK is the only country in Europe that has no time limit to detention. | :18:41. | :18:50. | |
Every other European country limits the maximum period of detention. | :18:51. | :18:54. | |
People are getting big pay-outs from the government because they are | :18:55. | :18:56. | |
being detained unlawfully by the Home Office. | :18:57. | :18:59. | |
Immigration detention is lawful in certain circumstances | :19:00. | :19:03. | |
where the Home Office is attempting to deport | :19:04. | :19:08. | |
someone and there is a reasonable prospect | :19:09. | :19:10. | |
But what we are seeing is people are being detained for | :19:11. | :19:16. | |
months, often for years, long after it becomes apparent that there is no | :19:17. | :19:19. | |
prospect of their deportation actually taking place. | :19:20. | :19:27. | |
Annie, whose name we have changed, is 37 and from | :19:28. | :19:29. | |
She is awaiting a decision on her asylum case. | :19:30. | :19:34. | |
She says she was trafficked into the UK for | :19:35. | :19:36. | |
Annie has been awarded more than ?9,000 compensation. | :19:37. | :19:44. | |
Why should they have not had you in detention? | :19:45. | :19:46. | |
The doctor said Annie is not supposed to be in detention. | :19:47. | :19:56. | |
Home Office policy on the detention of | :19:57. | :20:02. | |
those with mental health problems states: | :20:03. | :20:18. | |
But what this means varies from case to case. | :20:19. | :20:20. | |
You don't have the right to put someone who is | :20:21. | :20:22. | |
suffering with mental health in detention. | :20:23. | :20:26. | |
Some payments have been far higher than Annie's. | :20:27. | :20:30. | |
Between 2012 and 2015 the Home Office has | :20:31. | :20:36. | |
had to hand over up to ?155,000 to individuals wrongfully detained. | :20:37. | :20:44. | |
32,000 people went through these immigration detention centres last | :20:45. | :20:46. | |
year, 60% of them then went back into the community in the United | :20:47. | :20:50. | |
These are not prisons, they are places purely to hold | :20:51. | :20:54. | |
people who might be at risk of absconding | :20:55. | :20:58. | |
between getting hold of them and putting them on a plane | :20:59. | :21:00. | |
There are not many stories I work on where | :21:01. | :21:06. | |
everyone agrees the system is an absolute failure. | :21:07. | :21:09. | |
Whether the whole system is an absolute failure I | :21:10. | :21:14. | |
don't know but this particular part of it is not working nearly well | :21:15. | :21:17. | |
Hamid did not have a home or a right to be in the UK when he got | :21:18. | :21:23. | |
I wasted it on drugs and gambling, you know? | :21:24. | :21:31. | |
Because they don't open me account, I haven't | :21:32. | :21:32. | |
anywhere to open an account and they said no, you cannot open an account. | :21:33. | :21:41. | |
I said look, I have a cheque and they says no, | :21:42. | :21:46. | |
we need an electric bill, a phone bill, passport, | :21:47. | :21:48. | |
I wish, I wish I had my status at the time. | :21:49. | :21:58. | |
They give me money, two months later they gave me my | :21:59. | :22:01. | |
This is crazy, wasting your time, my time and | :22:02. | :22:10. | |
taxpayers' time, and wasting money as well. | :22:11. | :22:12. | |
Hamid does have leave to remain in the UK. | :22:13. | :22:15. | |
The government was obviously in a very difficult situation with | :22:16. | :22:18. | |
It locks somebody up for years and then | :22:19. | :22:28. | |
releases them and pays them compensation because you have | :22:29. | :22:31. | |
It must be one of the most inefficient corners of | :22:32. | :22:34. | |
We need to have a much smarter way of deciding how we deal with those | :22:35. | :22:48. | |
people who are failed asylum seekers or have criminal records who are due | :22:49. | :22:51. | |
to be deported than we are at the moment. | :22:52. | :22:55. | |
The whole system has just been reviewed, the review | :22:56. | :22:57. | |
came up with a number of recommendations about how we better | :22:58. | :22:59. | |
look after people in the detention centres. | :23:00. | :23:01. | |
There are certain groups of | :23:02. | :23:02. | |
people, people with mental health problems, at risk people, pregnant | :23:03. | :23:05. | |
women, who just shouldn't be in these detention | :23:06. | :23:07. | |
Do you feel happier that they have admitted that what they did was | :23:08. | :23:11. | |
They admit what they are doing but if I | :23:12. | :23:15. | |
said about my life, you know, my life will never be the same. | :23:16. | :23:18. | |
Sometimes when people talk you think they just want to talk or destroy | :23:19. | :23:31. | |
the name of the Home Office but what I saw was not good. | :23:32. | :23:35. | |
I saw the way they were treating women, what I saw | :23:36. | :23:41. | |
there, I saw a lady in my room, she was to be deported back to her | :23:42. | :23:52. | |
Huge men came in that morning, who were sharing the same room. | :23:53. | :24:01. | |
The way they took her, she was undressed, | :24:02. | :24:03. | |
she just had her bra and | :24:04. | :24:05. | |
pants, she was not even awake, they came at 4am | :24:06. | :24:07. | |
Do you understand the need for detention in some cases? | :24:08. | :24:13. | |
Detention is not, I mean it is not the best place to deal with asylum | :24:14. | :24:17. | |
Somebody has come here for safety, some people have come here | :24:18. | :24:21. | |
Get a good way to deal with asylum cases | :24:22. | :24:24. | |
Does the government share your view on wanting to reform | :24:25. | :24:36. | |
It commissioned the Shaw review, we had the ministers in front | :24:37. | :24:48. | |
of the Home Office select committee and they admitted the government has | :24:49. | :24:51. | |
a problem and they have to do something about it and I think | :24:52. | :24:54. | |
the government knows it will have to do something about it. | :24:55. | :24:57. | |
We did ask the Home Office to come on the programme to speak to us | :24:58. | :25:01. | |
but they decided against it and gave us this statement instead. | :25:02. | :25:12. | |
We'll be discussing this more at 10am with two people on opposing | :25:13. | :25:15. | |
Gerard Batten, a Ukip MEP, and Chai Patel, | :25:16. | :25:18. | |
from the Joint Council for the Welfare of Immigrants. | :25:19. | :25:22. | |
Prince George, his dad, his grandad and his great | :25:23. | :25:27. | |
grandmother posing for a set of postage stamps that will be | :25:28. | :25:30. | |
released tomorrow to mark the Queen's 90th birthday. | :25:31. | :25:38. | |
This is what the stamps will look like. | :25:39. | :25:40. | |
The monarch, the next in line to the throne, Prince Charles, | :25:41. | :25:44. | |
the next in line to the throne after that, Prince William, | :25:45. | :25:46. | |
and the next in line to the throne after that, | :25:47. | :25:49. | |
On the eve of the Queen's birthday, Prince William has been speaking | :25:50. | :25:53. | |
to the BBC about his grandmother, about his interpretation of "royal | :25:54. | :25:55. | |
duty" and recent criticisms that he's a "reluctant royal" | :25:56. | :25:58. | |
and workshy, and about his own ambitions for the monarchy | :25:59. | :26:00. | |
when he finally succeeds to the throne. | :26:01. | :26:02. | |
Prince William was speaking to the BBC's royal correspondent. | :26:03. | :26:08. | |
You're a future monarch, you've had a chance over | :26:09. | :26:11. | |
more than 30 years now to observe our current | :26:12. | :26:13. | |
What, from the very particular perspective that you have | :26:14. | :26:18. | |
as a future king, what has impressed you most about her? | :26:19. | :26:25. | |
I think the Queen's duty, and her service, her tolerance. | :26:26. | :26:29. | |
I think that has been incredibly important to me so it's been a real, | :26:30. | :26:39. | |
sort of, guiding example of what a good monarch can be. | :26:40. | :26:43. | |
It's been incredibly insightful for me growing up | :26:44. | :26:45. | |
watching her leadership in that role. | :26:46. | :26:49. | |
You have referred already to her sense of duty, | :26:50. | :26:53. | |
to the conspicuous devotion to duty that she has displayed | :26:54. | :26:55. | |
To what extent would you say that you share that degree | :26:56. | :27:01. | |
I think Royal duty is extremely important, I think it is part | :27:02. | :27:12. | |
of the fabric of what the Royal family and any future monarch has. | :27:13. | :27:17. | |
It is something that is very important and I take | :27:18. | :27:19. | |
I take my responsibilities very seriously. | :27:20. | :27:25. | |
But it's about finding your own way at the right time and if you are not | :27:26. | :27:32. | |
careful duty can weigh you down an awful lot, at a very early age, | :27:33. | :27:35. | |
and I think you have to develop into the duty role. | :27:36. | :27:41. | |
You know why I am asking you this, it is because there is an impression | :27:42. | :27:45. | |
in some quarters that you are in some way a slightly | :27:46. | :27:48. | |
reluctant Royal, you will have seen or I am sure people will have told | :27:49. | :27:51. | |
you about some of the stories, some of the headlines | :27:52. | :27:53. | |
in recent weeks and months, work-shy | :27:54. | :27:55. | |
William I think some of them have said. | :27:56. | :27:57. | |
There has also been criticism of the Duchess in a similar vein. | :27:58. | :28:01. | |
Do you regard that criticism, that impression, as being a fair one? | :28:02. | :28:08. | |
I, to be honest I am going to get plenty of criticism over my lifetime | :28:09. | :28:13. | |
and it's something that I don't completely ignore but it's not | :28:14. | :28:16. | |
something I take completely to heart. | :28:17. | :28:18. | |
I am concentrating very much on my role as a father, | :28:19. | :28:22. | |
I am a new father and take my duties and my responsibilities to my family | :28:23. | :28:26. | |
very seriously and I want to bring my children up as good people, | :28:27. | :28:32. | |
with the idea of service and duty to others as very important. | :28:33. | :28:35. | |
If I can't give my time to my children as well then I worry | :28:36. | :28:38. | |
Plus serving the community with the air ambulance, | :28:39. | :28:45. | |
I find that role very important to me. | :28:46. | :28:51. | |
I would like to explore a little what kind of King will William V be? | :28:52. | :28:57. | |
We have become used to the present Queen being scrupulously, | :28:58. | :29:01. | |
pretty scrupulously, detached from all issues. | :29:02. | :29:06. | |
Your father, on the other hand, as Prince of Wales of course, | :29:07. | :29:08. | |
is very much involved in all sorts of issues and has indicated | :29:09. | :29:11. | |
he would wish to convene when he becomes King, | :29:12. | :29:15. | |
make heartfelt interventions I think was the phrase which has been | :29:16. | :29:18. | |
used, what is your sense of what is acceptable | :29:19. | :29:20. | |
How involved can a constitutional monarch be in current issues? | :29:21. | :29:29. | |
It's something which occupies a lot of my thinking space as to how | :29:30. | :29:36. | |
on earth you would develop into something modern in today's world. | :29:37. | :29:42. | |
I am in a unique position and actually a very privileged | :29:43. | :29:45. | |
position to be able to see some of this now, which is that I have | :29:46. | :29:51. | |
got my grandmother who takes a very, if you like, more of a passive role | :29:52. | :29:56. | |
in how she believes her role should be, she is above politics, | :29:57. | :29:58. | |
And I have got my father who minds an awful lot about the many causes | :29:59. | :30:05. | |
he is involved in and really digs down into his charitable areas | :30:06. | :30:10. | |
But I think in the Queen I have an extraordinary example of somebody | :30:11. | :30:14. | |
who has done an enormous amount of good and she is probably the best | :30:15. | :30:18. | |
I sense you are saying that when the time comes you will hope | :30:19. | :30:24. | |
to be a rather more modern monarch and bring something | :30:25. | :30:27. | |
I think the Royal family has to modernise and develop as it goes | :30:28. | :30:33. | |
along and it has to stay relevant, that is the challenge from me, | :30:34. | :30:42. | |
how do I make the Royal family relevant in the next 20 years' time? | :30:43. | :30:45. | |
It could be 40 years' time, it could be 60 years' time, I have | :30:46. | :30:49. | |
no idea when that is going to be and I certainly don't lie awake | :30:50. | :30:52. | |
waiting or hoping for it because it sadly means that my family have | :30:53. | :30:55. | |
But you must be confident that you can do that, | :30:56. | :30:59. | |
that you can make and keep the monarchy relevant | :31:00. | :31:01. | |
Absolutely, I hope that is something I can do. | :31:02. | :31:05. | |
It is something I think is very important and the Queen | :31:06. | :31:07. | |
is a fantastic role model to lead that as she has done | :31:08. | :31:10. | |
Let's have a word with the man who took the image. | :31:11. | :31:26. | |
How are you? Very well, thanks, Victoria. How were you selected | :31:27. | :31:33. | |
then? I think what happens, a shortlist is made up which goes | :31:34. | :31:36. | |
before a panel and in this instance I was the lucky winner. Halfs the | :31:37. | :31:42. | |
atmosphere like in that room when you have the monarch and the one | :31:43. | :31:46. | |
next in line to the throne and the one next in line to the throne and | :31:47. | :31:49. | |
the next in line to the throne? It was very upbeat. It was a very, very | :31:50. | :31:55. | |
relaxed and light hearted shoot. Frankly, a lot easier than when I | :31:56. | :31:59. | |
tried to take pictures of my own family! It went pretty well. How | :32:00. | :32:05. | |
long did you have them for? I'm guessing you would have felt a | :32:06. | :32:09. | |
little bit nervous, did you? Yeah, a few butterflies is always good, it | :32:10. | :32:13. | |
keeps you on your toes, but I think we had them from when they arrived | :32:14. | :32:17. | |
until leaving for half an hour. Right, OK. Not that long then and | :32:18. | :32:25. | |
the foam blocks that Prince George is standing on, that's the image | :32:26. | :32:30. | |
that's on websites everywhere. Now that's not what we see on the | :32:31. | :32:33. | |
postage stamp, but in terms of putting on the foam blocks, did they | :32:34. | :32:40. | |
have not have a really beautifully guilt, ornate, antique stool that he | :32:41. | :32:44. | |
could have stood on? No, we scoured the palace, but nothing was the | :32:45. | :32:48. | |
right size to put Prince George's head in the right spot because that | :32:49. | :32:52. | |
was the one tricky part was all the heads had to be in a certain | :32:53. | :32:57. | |
position in relation to each other, not too close, otherwise the stamps | :32:58. | :33:02. | |
couldn't be made and the perforations put there, so we needed | :33:03. | :33:06. | |
to raise him up to the right height so that was the only solution we | :33:07. | :33:09. | |
found. No, fair enough. It is a really, I mean, it is a very, it is | :33:10. | :33:15. | |
a warm photograph, isn't it? They look relaxed. Compared to the kind | :33:16. | :33:18. | |
of photographs you normally take, how does this compare? Well, every | :33:19. | :33:23. | |
shot is different. You are looking for a different story every time, | :33:24. | :33:27. | |
but that's spot on Victoria. I wanted a warm family portrait full | :33:28. | :33:31. | |
stop and I think we got it. In actual fact when we saw the image | :33:32. | :33:35. | |
that you see there, the one we used come on to the screen, everybody who | :33:36. | :33:38. | |
was there, just nodded and said that's it, we have it. That's the | :33:39. | :33:43. | |
one. Yeah. Brilliant, thank you very much. Thank you for talking to us. I | :33:44. | :33:46. | |
really appreciate your time. Thank you. | :33:47. | :33:48. | |
On the programme tomorrow we'll talk to one of the Queen's lifelong | :33:49. | :33:51. | |
friends, Lady Jane Rayne-Lacy, to find out what she's | :33:52. | :33:53. | |
really like when she's out of the public eye, | :33:54. | :33:56. | |
as well as hearing from people who have worked and lived | :33:57. | :33:59. | |
Still to come, the latest unemployment figures | :34:00. | :34:03. | |
We will be talking to the new Work and Pensions Secretary in half an | :34:04. | :34:15. | |
hour. And straight after that we'll look | :34:16. | :34:24. | |
at what those figures mean There've been warnings | :34:25. | :34:26. | |
on both sides. Andy ver rit joins us to talk about | :34:27. | :34:44. | |
the unemployment Figgs? Unemployment ticked up. It ticked up and then it | :34:45. | :34:50. | |
went down. It is at a low rate, just 5.1% or around that mark and that's | :34:51. | :34:54. | |
the lowest it has been for a while. But what's really significant here, | :34:55. | :35:00. | |
Victoria, is the earnings data which shows that average earnings only | :35:01. | :35:06. | |
grew by 1.8%, now that's disappointing to say the least and | :35:07. | :35:09. | |
against what the Bank of England was projecting just a few months ago. | :35:10. | :35:12. | |
They were expecting it to be the case that wage pressure would grow, | :35:13. | :35:16. | |
people would go to their bosses and start saying, "Look, inflation is | :35:17. | :35:18. | |
coming back a bit, can you please give me a pay rise, I'd like a pay | :35:19. | :35:24. | |
rise and that would push up prices a little bit, which the Bank of | :35:25. | :35:26. | |
England wants because we have less inflation at the moment than is | :35:27. | :35:29. | |
healthy for a good prospering economy. Now what's happened instead | :35:30. | :35:34. | |
is wages have sagged and they are not growing by anything like the | :35:35. | :35:37. | |
amount you'd expect them to grow at this point in the economic cycle. | :35:38. | :35:43. | |
What's supposed to happen according to the economic theory, there is a | :35:44. | :35:48. | |
thing called the Phillips Curve, when unemployment gets low, wages | :35:49. | :35:52. | |
should shoot up and people should take advantage of the tighter labour | :35:53. | :35:59. | |
market. Employers can't say I will hire someone else if you want a pay | :36:00. | :36:02. | |
rise. That's not happening at the moment. Why? It is very difficult... | :36:03. | :36:07. | |
It is our fault for not going to our bosses and saying, "Can I have a | :36:08. | :36:11. | |
wage rise?" Perhaps, but economists are something of a loss to explain | :36:12. | :36:16. | |
this properly just like they are at a loss to explain why we're failing | :36:17. | :36:21. | |
to pick up productivity. Now one explanation has been that employers | :36:22. | :36:24. | |
and companies, if they want toks pand, if their business is doing | :36:25. | :36:29. | |
well, what they have been able to do easily is hire one else cheaply, but | :36:30. | :36:32. | |
that should be changing and certainly the next labour market | :36:33. | :36:36. | |
statistics will be very interesting because at that point we will have | :36:37. | :36:40. | |
some impact of the national Living Wage and what that has done to wages | :36:41. | :36:44. | |
and these Figgs aren't really taking that into account much. Unemployment | :36:45. | :36:48. | |
has gone up a bit again. I mean, what's the reason for that as far as | :36:49. | :36:53. | |
we can work out at this early stage? The ONS bulletin doesn't break down | :36:54. | :36:57. | |
the reasons in which I can give you a simple explanation yet, but we | :36:58. | :37:00. | |
should be careful about the unemployment numbers because they | :37:01. | :37:04. | |
wobble around a lot. The main point about unemployment is the labour | :37:05. | :37:07. | |
market is quite tight, but we seem to be generating these jobs. This is | :37:08. | :37:11. | |
an economy that's generated an astonishing number of jobs which | :37:12. | :37:15. | |
exceeded all economists' expectations from a few years ago | :37:16. | :37:18. | |
and we're still generating those jobs even if unemployment has ticked | :37:19. | :37:21. | |
up. Thank you very much, Andy. Thank you. | :37:22. | :37:26. | |
Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news. | :37:27. | :37:29. | |
An investigation for this programme has found that more than ?4 million | :37:30. | :37:32. | |
is being paid each year in compensation to people who have | :37:33. | :37:34. | |
been held unlawfully in immigration detention centres. | :37:35. | :37:36. | |
The centres hold people the Government is trying to deport, | :37:37. | :37:38. | |
including failed asylum-seekers and foreign prisoners. | :37:39. | :37:40. | |
The Home Office says detention is part of a "firm | :37:41. | :37:43. | |
Prince William has rejected criticism of his commitment | :37:44. | :37:52. | |
to his Royal duties, saying he's currently focusing | :37:53. | :37:56. | |
on his role as a father and as an air ambulance pilot, | :37:57. | :37:59. | |
but is willing to take on more responsibility when the time comes. | :38:00. | :38:02. | |
In a BBC interview to mark the Queen's 90th birthday, | :38:03. | :38:04. | |
he also talked about the "incredible insights" he's gained from her, | :38:05. | :38:07. | |
and his own ambitions for the monarchy when he finally | :38:08. | :38:09. | |
The boss of the Port Talbot steelworks is forming a management | :38:10. | :38:15. | |
buy-out team to try to take over Tata's UK operation, | :38:16. | :38:17. | |
It's believed the deal would involve steel-making continuing at Port | :38:18. | :38:23. | |
Managers would ask employees to help finance the new company | :38:24. | :38:33. | |
with their own money as well as looking for private | :38:34. | :38:35. | |
A group of senior ex-US advisors has warned | :38:36. | :38:38. | |
Eight former US Treasury Secretaries warned that leaving | :38:39. | :38:47. | |
would be a "risky bet", saying it could threaten London's | :38:48. | :38:50. | |
In an article published on the eve of President Obama's | :38:51. | :38:53. | |
They said it would be difficult to trade outside the | :38:54. | :38:57. | |
Leave campaigners have accused the group of "belittling Britain's | :38:58. | :39:02. | |
The body of a British man who went missing | :39:03. | :39:09. | |
in the Andes in Peru, has been found almost two weeks | :39:10. | :39:12. | |
Harry Greaves had been visiting friends in Pisac, | :39:13. | :39:15. | |
about 50 miles from Machu Picchu, when he left for a solo hike two | :39:16. | :39:18. | |
His family have paid tribute to him and thanked people for their help | :39:19. | :39:23. | |
Children from poorer backgrounds get better grades if they do | :39:24. | :39:27. | |
after-school activities or go to sports clubs, | :39:28. | :39:29. | |
The study of more than 6,000 primary school pupils by the Institute | :39:30. | :39:33. | |
of Education found the gap in test performance between poorer | :39:34. | :39:36. | |
and better-off children was nearly halved, in those that took part | :39:37. | :39:38. | |
in two extra-curricular clubs a week. | :39:39. | :39:45. | |
That's a summary of the latest BBC News. | :39:46. | :39:46. | |
Newcastle fans are fuming this morning after their 1-1 draw | :39:47. | :40:01. | |
with Manchester City missing the chance to move out of | :40:02. | :40:04. | |
They feel they should have had all three points because Sergio | :40:05. | :40:08. | |
Before Alexsander Kolarov takes the freekick, Aguero fails to get | :40:09. | :40:11. | |
back onside before heading in for his 100th | :40:12. | :40:13. | |
The qualifier Michael Holt has enjoyed the biggest win | :40:14. | :40:17. | |
of his career, knocking out former champion Neil Robertson | :40:18. | :40:20. | |
He's the fifth former winner to lose in the first round this year. | :40:21. | :40:24. | |
Formula One boss Bernie Ecclestone has claimed that female drivers | :40:25. | :40:26. | |
would not "physically be able to drive an F1 car quickly". | :40:27. | :40:29. | |
The 85-year-old said last night that he doesn't think women would be | :40:30. | :40:32. | |
"taken seriously" in the sport though he does believe more women | :40:33. | :40:36. | |
will become F1 chief executives in the future. | :40:37. | :40:41. | |
Have you decided yet whether you want Britain to leave | :40:42. | :40:49. | |
You'll get the chance to vote on 23rd June and it's | :40:50. | :40:53. | |
Both sides are arguing over things like immigration, | :40:54. | :40:56. | |
Each week until you vote, we're asking our political guru | :40:57. | :41:00. | |
Norman Smith to take a look at one of these big themes. | :41:01. | :41:05. | |
This week given we've just heard the latest UK job figures - | :41:06. | :41:08. | |
We'll be speaking with two guests from either side of the referendum | :41:09. | :41:12. | |
Thanks, well jobs in my view is probably the most important | :41:13. | :41:23. | |
four-letter word in politics because if you don't have a job then | :41:24. | :41:26. | |
everything gets tricky, but here is the funny thing in this referendum | :41:27. | :41:30. | |
campaign. Both sides are saying that jobs is a vote winning issue for | :41:31. | :41:34. | |
them. So those who want us to stay in the EU say there will be more | :41:35. | :41:38. | |
jobs if we stay and those who want us to leave says no there will be | :41:39. | :41:41. | |
more jobs if we leave. What's the truth? Well, let's start off with | :41:42. | :41:47. | |
the facts about unemployment in the European Union. Well, take a look at | :41:48. | :41:53. | |
this. In Spain, unemployment is 20%. In Greece, it is worse, 24%. So | :41:54. | :41:57. | |
imagine that nearly every fourth person you meet on the street is out | :41:58. | :42:02. | |
of work. France, similar sort of economy to ours, but even there, 10% | :42:03. | :42:09. | |
unemployment, but look at us, 5%. Now, remain campaigners say that | :42:10. | :42:13. | |
shows how we can prosper on the jobs front in the EU. They say the EU is | :42:14. | :42:18. | |
critical to boosting our job prospects. Why? Well, first off, | :42:19. | :42:24. | |
three million jobs in Britain are linked to the EU. So the argument | :42:25. | :42:28. | |
goes if we leave, maybe, maybe some of those jobs might be at risk. | :42:29. | :42:32. | |
Secondly, workers rights, lots of the sort of jobs we have, the sort | :42:33. | :42:36. | |
of conditions we enjoy are better because we're part of the EU because | :42:37. | :42:41. | |
it guarantees things like holiday pay and sick pay. And lastly, | :42:42. | :42:45. | |
foreign investment, the argument goes big companies like BMW or | :42:46. | :42:51. | |
Nissan, why do they come to bloigty? They come to Blighty because we are | :42:52. | :42:55. | |
part of the EU. The remain side say if we left the EU and we are no | :42:56. | :42:58. | |
longer part of the single market that would have a devastating effect | :42:59. | :43:03. | |
on jobs. Have a listen to Labour's Yvette Cooper. | :43:04. | :43:07. | |
The Leave campaign said this means being outside the single market. | :43:08. | :43:11. | |
Well, that means a risk of tariffs. It means that our services would not | :43:12. | :43:16. | |
be included and that is a real threat to jobs, to investment, and | :43:17. | :43:21. | |
to trade and they're just hoping it is all somehow going to be all right | :43:22. | :43:25. | |
and crossing their fingers when it will be people's jobs and | :43:26. | :43:31. | |
livelihoods at risk. What do the Brexiters say? They say that's | :43:32. | :43:35. | |
nonsense, there will be more jobs. We will be liberated if we get out | :43:36. | :43:40. | |
of the EU. First off, trade deals, we will be able to negotiate our | :43:41. | :43:45. | |
trade deals with big emerging countries like China and yand, we | :43:46. | :43:49. | |
won't have to wait for the EU to get its act together. Secondly, | :43:50. | :43:55. | |
immigration kerbs, we can control who is coming in to do jobs in | :43:56. | :43:59. | |
Britain so we can make sure our plastering and plumbing jobs aren't | :44:00. | :44:04. | |
hovered up by other folk. Lastly, red tape, the burden of regulation | :44:05. | :44:08. | |
from the EU. It is estimated it costs British business ?600 million | :44:09. | :44:12. | |
a week, we can get rid of that, therefore, business in Britain will | :44:13. | :44:16. | |
be free to create more jobs and yesterday, Michael Gove, in the big | :44:17. | :44:21. | |
Brexit speech, said, "Look f we leave, we can pick and choose what | :44:22. | :44:26. | |
kind of workers come to Britain." We have to impose stricter | :44:27. | :44:30. | |
limitations on individuals from other nations whom we might actively | :44:31. | :44:35. | |
want to welcome. Whether it is family members from Commonwealth | :44:36. | :44:40. | |
countries, the top doctors and scientists or the technicians who | :44:41. | :44:43. | |
could power growth. We have to put them at the back of queue behind | :44:44. | :44:47. | |
anyone who is granted citizenship by any other EU country. | :44:48. | :44:53. | |
If you ask most people what was the most iconic political advert in | :44:54. | :44:57. | |
recent history? I suspect most people would harp back to the very, | :44:58. | :45:02. | |
very famous advert in 1979 which got Mrs T into power which was all about | :45:03. | :45:07. | |
jobs. It was a picture of a whole load of people lining up outside a | :45:08. | :45:14. | |
Jobcentre and underneath was the slogan, "Labour isn't working." It | :45:15. | :45:18. | |
tells us how critical jobs is an issue in elections and also, I | :45:19. | :45:20. | |
suspect in this referendum. Well, the unemployment | :45:21. | :45:28. | |
figures are just out. Let's speak now to Stephen Crabb, | :45:29. | :45:33. | |
the new Work and Pensions Secretary. Why do you think unemployment is up? | :45:34. | :45:47. | |
This is one month's set of data and you should never read too much into | :45:48. | :45:54. | |
one individual month's set of data. What is important is the underlying | :45:55. | :45:59. | |
trend and today's data shows that the trends are positive. The overall | :46:00. | :46:03. | |
implement rate, people going out to work every day, at record high | :46:04. | :46:08. | |
levels which is very good. Could it be down to anxieties about Britain | :46:09. | :46:13. | |
possibly leaving the European Union? It has been a difficult four months | :46:14. | :46:17. | |
in terms of international finance markets, the most turbulent start | :46:18. | :46:25. | |
for many decades. There are big questions hanging over the British | :46:26. | :46:30. | |
economy because of the question about our status within the European | :46:31. | :46:34. | |
Union. You are saying there is a link between these figures and | :46:35. | :46:38. | |
worries, uncertainty about leaving the European Union? Yes. That is not | :46:39. | :46:45. | |
just a personal opinion. Mark Carney, the governor of the Bank of | :46:46. | :46:50. | |
England, has also said the questions are having a real terms impact on | :46:51. | :46:56. | |
the British economy, impacting on sterling exchange rates and | :46:57. | :46:59. | |
investment decisions. There will be companies today looking at major | :47:00. | :47:04. | |
investments in the UK who are hanging back and considering whether | :47:05. | :47:09. | |
that is the right thing to do. I am not saying the 21,000 increase is a | :47:10. | :47:15. | |
direct result of that but it is an example of the types of questions | :47:16. | :47:22. | |
those people who who said Britain should leave have to explain why | :47:23. | :47:25. | |
their vision makes the picture better. And in France's job | :47:26. | :47:31. | |
opportunities. This is your government's fault. Uncertainty over | :47:32. | :47:38. | |
the run-up to the referendum. That is why you are seeing unemployment | :47:39. | :47:43. | |
is going up. We have had the argument about whether it is the | :47:44. | :47:47. | |
right thing to have a referendum. Very few people do not think it is | :47:48. | :47:51. | |
the right thing to do. You have to be almost 60 years old to have had | :47:52. | :47:56. | |
the last opportunity to have participated in a referendum on | :47:57. | :48:03. | |
Britain's membership in the EU. I did not have a is to vote and many | :48:04. | :48:08. | |
other people did not either. It is right we have responded. We have | :48:09. | :48:13. | |
promised to have a referendum. A lot of people did not believe us and we | :48:14. | :48:17. | |
are following through on the commitment to have a referendum. We | :48:18. | :48:22. | |
are outlining what it means for British families. If Britain votes | :48:23. | :48:27. | |
to remain in the European Union how will that affect jobs? It is good we | :48:28. | :48:32. | |
are part of a trading block of 500 million consumers. How will it | :48:33. | :48:39. | |
affect jobs? We are the most open economy in Europe and jobs have been | :48:40. | :48:44. | |
increasing as a result. We benefit from our international trading. | :48:45. | :48:52. | |
Creating factories and new plant and investment in the UK. That | :48:53. | :48:57. | |
translates into real jobs. Looking at where the investment is going | :48:58. | :49:01. | |
very often it is going into industrial communities which badly | :49:02. | :49:05. | |
need those new jobs and that is why if we came out of the European Union | :49:06. | :49:09. | |
and work outside of the single market it would be much more | :49:10. | :49:12. | |
difficult for manufacturers which would make it difficult for | :49:13. | :49:20. | |
construction. The Employment Minister would usually talk about | :49:21. | :49:25. | |
the figures. She wants Britain to leave the EU. As she been sidelined? | :49:26. | :49:34. | |
Not at all. She is very busy today. I thought it would be good to front | :49:35. | :49:47. | |
up and respond myself. Thank you. We are going to focus on the jobs | :49:48. | :49:48. | |
market. Let's talk now to the former | :49:49. | :49:58. | |
Director General of the British He resigned after he was suspended | :49:59. | :50:01. | |
for saying the UK's long-term prospects could be "brighter" | :50:02. | :50:05. | |
outside the EU. He is now Chairman of | :50:06. | :50:06. | |
the Vote Leave Business Council. And CEO of the lingerie and sex | :50:07. | :50:09. | |
shop chain Ann Summers. Jacqueline Gold, who thinks Britain | :50:10. | :50:11. | |
is better off remaining in the EU. There are over 140 Ann Summers | :50:12. | :50:14. | |
shops, and the company employs Why leave? Because Britain will take | :50:15. | :50:28. | |
back control of its economy and be able to grow the economy faster. How | :50:29. | :50:36. | |
do you know? It is of the us. How do you know the economy will grow | :50:37. | :50:46. | |
faster? Explain. We will be able to expatriates the money we will be | :50:47. | :50:52. | |
able to play in the EU each week, ?350 million, which can be invested | :50:53. | :50:55. | |
in infrastructure and public services. We will be able to make | :50:56. | :51:02. | |
trade deals and do trade. We will be able to rebalance the jobs market in | :51:03. | :51:07. | |
the UK because the current arrangement with Europe distorts the | :51:08. | :51:12. | |
UK economy. We have the worst of all worlds, and Mike unlimited supply of | :51:13. | :51:16. | |
cheap labour from the European Union which has a downward pressure on | :51:17. | :51:21. | |
wages and produces a low-wage low skill more productivity economy, no | :51:22. | :51:28. | |
incentive for employers to invest in skills or productivity. We want a | :51:29. | :51:31. | |
high skill high productivity high wage economy. Business in the UK has | :51:32. | :51:41. | |
massive skills shortages. Engineers, IT people. Those skills are outside | :51:42. | :51:46. | |
of the European Union but we are unable to bring the men. The | :51:47. | :51:53. | |
Australians told me they had 2500 work visas granted last year and | :51:54. | :51:58. | |
gross immigration into the UK was 680,000. That cannot be right. That | :51:59. | :52:04. | |
is how we will grow our economy faster by being outside the European | :52:05. | :52:12. | |
Union. ?350 million a week, it is about ?160 million when you take | :52:13. | :52:15. | |
into account what we get back. Not quite. It is ?20 billion a year | :52:16. | :52:24. | |
which we get back about ?10 billion in rebate which will disappear in | :52:25. | :52:28. | |
2020 and in support for regions and agriculture. A majority of members | :52:29. | :52:39. | |
of the CBI, your old organisation, the Institute of Directors, the | :52:40. | :52:42. | |
Federation of Small Businesses, the car industry and so on says staying | :52:43. | :52:48. | |
in is the best thing for jobs. They do not. They do. They do not. They | :52:49. | :53:01. | |
do. The Federation of Small Businesses have not taken a | :53:02. | :53:09. | |
position. It was 50-50. The other organisations represent only one | :53:10. | :53:14. | |
fifth of UK businesses. If you analyse the figures carefully you | :53:15. | :53:16. | |
would find that if you look at who makes up the majority of our economy | :53:17. | :53:21. | |
business is split down the middle. Why stay? You run a huge business | :53:22. | :53:28. | |
employing 10,000 people. It is good for business, for the economy, | :53:29. | :53:34. | |
growth, jobs. When you look at the economy at the moment, the strongest | :53:35. | :53:39. | |
it has been for two years, I cannot understand why you would want to | :53:40. | :53:46. | |
jeopardise that, why you would not allow the economy to grow. It could | :53:47. | :53:54. | |
grow faster and further says John Longworth because your business will | :53:55. | :53:59. | |
be unshackled from European regulations and directives that | :54:00. | :54:02. | |
potentially hinder prosperity. We do not know that it will continue to | :54:03. | :54:07. | |
grow. That is where my doubts are. The one thing I do not think he can | :54:08. | :54:16. | |
tell us is whether businesses will be impacted negatively by exiting. | :54:17. | :54:23. | |
What about the economy? There is no guarantee. That is a great concern. | :54:24. | :54:33. | |
If you look at that question there is uncertainty on both sides. In a | :54:34. | :54:38. | |
very uncertain world, in the world we live in, we have 2.4 times debt | :54:39. | :54:45. | |
in the world against GDP, a very dangerous and uncertain thing. There | :54:46. | :54:54. | |
is uncertainty on both sides. If we stay we can be certain that the | :54:55. | :54:58. | |
eurozone will make all the decisions and we will have to comply with | :54:59. | :55:02. | |
them. We will continue to PN but will have no say. All of the things | :55:03. | :55:08. | |
the Prime Minister says will happen to us if we believe will happen if | :55:09. | :55:13. | |
we stay. If we leave we can react to those uncertainties in the world. | :55:14. | :55:18. | |
Even if we leave you will still have to meet those regulations and rules. | :55:19. | :55:23. | |
You cannot expect that you're not going to have to obey those rules. | :55:24. | :55:28. | |
Surely having a place round the table... Britain leads challenging | :55:29. | :55:36. | |
those regulations. Why would you not want to have that plays at the | :55:37. | :55:43. | |
table? You are right in the sense that I have spent 30 years | :55:44. | :55:47. | |
challenging the Brussels regulations but it has been futile because it is | :55:48. | :55:52. | |
a political project. They do not want to hear that. I many jobs will | :55:53. | :55:57. | |
be lost if Britain leads the European Union? We will gain jobs. | :55:58. | :56:05. | |
No jobs will be lost? Not as a consequence. On the contrary I think | :56:06. | :56:11. | |
the economy will grow faster. You do not know that. The day we leave in | :56:12. | :56:17. | |
the month and the year after we leave nothing will change. The | :56:18. | :56:21. | |
process of change will be in our hands. You are already experiencing | :56:22. | :56:27. | |
a drop in consumer confidence because of this period of | :56:28. | :56:31. | |
uncertainty. That is not going to improve. That will continue to | :56:32. | :56:39. | |
deteriorate if we exit. There is the economy to consider and how that | :56:40. | :56:42. | |
will affect jobs and from a business perspective myself a lack of | :56:43. | :56:47. | |
opportunity for growth, which is a release severe concern, I think if | :56:48. | :56:54. | |
we leave it will be going backwards. There is a suspicion amongst some | :56:55. | :56:59. | |
bad big firms like yours and others want to stay because EU membership | :57:00. | :57:03. | |
with free movement of people and workers allowed you to keep wages | :57:04. | :57:09. | |
low. If I take my warehouses an example it is true that two thirds | :57:10. | :57:14. | |
of my warehouse have our European. They are paid the same as our | :57:15. | :57:17. | |
British workers and it is nothing to do with wages. We are based on the | :57:18. | :57:24. | |
edge of London and not all British people want to take on lower skilled | :57:25. | :57:29. | |
jobs and work those unsociable hours that you have to have in retail, | :57:30. | :57:35. | |
whereas Europeans come in and are very receptive to being adapted to | :57:36. | :57:40. | |
those working hours. To take that pool of talent away from me would | :57:41. | :57:47. | |
seriously jeopardise my business. The European Union has been a | :57:48. | :57:50. | |
disaster for working people in the UK. At this point in the economic | :57:51. | :57:56. | |
cycle there should be natural rise in wages in the and it is not | :57:57. | :58:00. | |
happening therefore we end up with perverse government policies like | :58:01. | :58:05. | |
the minimum wage and in work tax credits, things that the government | :58:06. | :58:08. | |
are doing because they cannot tackle the root cause which is an unlimited | :58:09. | :58:13. | |
supply of cheap labour from the European Union. She has said of the | :58:14. | :58:20. | |
free movement of people as effective it is going to be a disaster for | :58:21. | :58:26. | |
your business. Yes. That will actually not happen. We will adopt | :58:27. | :58:33. | |
the system that perfectly civilised countries like Australia, Canada and | :58:34. | :58:39. | |
New Zealand have, which is a points system based on economic need, so we | :58:40. | :58:46. | |
can get the people we need and not have excess. The EU are not our | :58:47. | :58:53. | |
enemy, they are our friends. Talking about employment and women's rights | :58:54. | :58:56. | |
and what the EU have done for women in the sense that they have | :58:57. | :59:01. | |
prohibited discrimination, made it impossible to sack somebody who is | :59:02. | :59:09. | |
pregnant, extended maternity pay for 14 weeks. This was not led by a | :59:10. | :59:14. | |
British led initiative, this was EU membership. No doubt we will keep | :59:15. | :59:19. | |
all of those things. You do not know. We do. We have said we will. | :59:20. | :59:28. | |
That has prevented people working overtime and destroyed the trucking | :59:29. | :59:33. | |
industry because drivers cannot afford to compete against foreign | :59:34. | :59:38. | |
truckers. It has prevented the government having zero rating. If | :59:39. | :59:46. | |
you were making a business decision you would not say, this looks like a | :59:47. | :59:50. | |
good idea, we do not know how it is going to work out but we will go | :59:51. | :59:54. | |
with it. You would not jeopardise your business so why would you | :59:55. | :59:58. | |
jeopardise the country? That is the ultimate gamble. If we stay in we | :59:59. | :00:02. | |
will jeopardise the country. It is time for the weather. Here is | :00:03. | :00:19. | |
Carol. If you have a bit of a cold today it might be because pollen | :00:20. | :00:24. | |
levels are high. For the rest of us outside England and Wales they are | :00:25. | :00:29. | |
low. We are looking at wall to wall blue skies across the board. Patchy | :00:30. | :00:34. | |
cloud in the South East and across the south-west. We have bigger cloud | :00:35. | :00:39. | |
in northern Scotland producing showers but for most it will be a | :00:40. | :00:44. | |
beautiful day. When the over the south coast. Sea breezes from the | :00:45. | :00:48. | |
north coast. It will feel a bit cooler on the coast. Top | :00:49. | :00:58. | |
temperatures 16 degrees. As we had to the evening and overnight there | :00:59. | :01:02. | |
will be some clearance in the sky allowing some frost in the | :01:03. | :01:07. | |
countryside. Patchy mist and fraud and still be thicker cloud in the | :01:08. | :01:10. | |
North with showers and bigger crowd pushing him across the far | :01:11. | :01:14. | |
south-west. As we head into tomorrow, that is the scenario we | :01:15. | :01:19. | |
start with. Bigger cloud in the south-west bringing in light rain. | :01:20. | :01:23. | |
Club will build in the southern half of England and Wales turning the | :01:24. | :01:29. | |
sunshine QC. Not as sunny as today we are back in a sunny skies once | :01:30. | :01:35. | |
again. Temperatures between 13 and 15, possibly 16. It will turn colder | :01:36. | :01:36. | |
it the weekend. Hello, I'm Victoria Derbyshire, | :01:37. | :01:42. | |
welcome to the programme if you've just joined us, | :01:43. | :01:44. | |
coming up before 11? ?18 million compensation over four | :01:45. | :01:46. | |
years, that's what the government has paid out to failed asylum | :01:47. | :01:49. | |
seekers and foreign criminals We asked one detainee who received | :01:50. | :01:51. | |
33 grand how he spent the money. I twisted it on drugs and gambling | :01:52. | :02:09. | |
because they don't open the account. They said we could open an account | :02:10. | :02:11. | |
for you. Violent crime has been dropping | :02:12. | :02:14. | |
for years but the trend seems And there's been a rise in the | :02:15. | :02:17. | |
number of attacks on the over 50s. We'll look at why this could be | :02:18. | :02:21. | |
happening and talk to two Treated as a nuisance by the police, | :02:22. | :02:31. | |
Lily Allen criticises the Met for her case's handling. We hear from | :02:32. | :02:33. | |
two women who were stocked. An investigation for this programme | :02:34. | :02:40. | |
has found that more than ?4 million is being paid each year | :02:41. | :02:53. | |
in compensation to people who have been held unlawfully | :02:54. | :02:55. | |
in immigration detention centres. The centres hold people | :02:56. | :02:57. | |
the government is trying to deport, including failed asylum-seekers | :02:58. | :03:03. | |
and foreign prisoners. The Home Office says | :03:04. | :03:04. | |
detention is part of a 'firm Prince William has rejected | :03:05. | :03:07. | |
criticism of his commitment to his royal duties, | :03:08. | :03:12. | |
saying he's currently focusing on his role as a father | :03:13. | :03:14. | |
and as an air ambulance pilot - but is willing to take on more | :03:15. | :03:17. | |
responsibility when the time comes. In a BBC interview to mark | :03:18. | :03:20. | |
the Queen's 90th birthday, he also talked about the "incredible | :03:21. | :03:22. | |
insights" he's gained from her and his own ambitions | :03:23. | :03:25. | |
for the monarchy when he finally The number of people out of work has | :03:26. | :03:28. | |
gone up for the first time UK unemployment rose | :03:29. | :03:35. | |
by 21,000 to 1.7 million A group of senior ex-US | :03:36. | :03:38. | |
advisors has warned Eight former US Treasury Secretaries | :03:39. | :03:57. | |
warned that leaving would be a 'risky bet', saying it | :03:58. | :04:01. | |
could threaten London's pre-eminence In an article published | :04:02. | :04:03. | |
on the eve of President Obama's visit to London - | :04:04. | :04:06. | |
they said it would be difficult to trade outside | :04:07. | :04:09. | |
the single European zone. Leave campaigners accused the group | :04:10. | :04:11. | |
of "belittling Britain's Presidential hopefuls Donald Trump | :04:12. | :04:13. | |
and Hillary Clinton have scored big wins in New York, | :04:14. | :04:18. | |
in the contest to choose the It's not yet known if Mr Trump has | :04:19. | :04:21. | |
secured a clean sweep of all Republican delegates at stake | :04:22. | :04:25. | |
by earning the majority of votes. Victory for Mrs Clinton ends a run | :04:26. | :04:28. | |
of recent defeats against her Children from poorer backgrounds get | :04:29. | :04:30. | |
better grades if they do after-school activities or go | :04:31. | :04:37. | |
to sports clubs, The study of more than 6,000 primary | :04:38. | :04:39. | |
school pupils by the Institute of Education found the gap in test | :04:40. | :04:45. | |
performance between poorer and better-off children was nearly | :04:46. | :04:51. | |
halved, in those that took part in The singer, Lily Allen, | :04:52. | :04:54. | |
has been telling BBC Newsnight about the night a stalker broke | :04:55. | :05:00. | |
into her house. Alex Gray was convicted this month, | :05:01. | :05:02. | |
but the singer now says she thinks the police dealing with the case | :05:03. | :05:05. | |
'victim-shamed' her after she spoke Something's really wrong | :05:06. | :05:08. | |
with this guy, and, uhm, and I feel like he's been let down, | :05:09. | :05:19. | |
I've been let down, and how many That's a summary of the latest BBC | :05:20. | :05:23. | |
News, more at 10.30am. Let's have some sport now and go | :05:24. | :05:36. | |
over to Chris Mitchell at the Crucible Theatre in Sheffield | :05:37. | :05:39. | |
where he's getting a backstage look Hello. We are giving you a little | :05:40. | :05:57. | |
bit of an insight today. We are in the inner sanctum at the Crucible in | :05:58. | :06:02. | |
Sheffield. This is where the top players come to practice ahead of | :06:03. | :06:06. | |
their big matches. We just had the top Chinese player practising on | :06:07. | :06:12. | |
this table. These tables are like the ones just a few metres away on | :06:13. | :06:17. | |
the Crucible floor where they are playing for around half $1 million. | :06:18. | :06:25. | |
Who will win? Yet again we have had another former world champion | :06:26. | :06:30. | |
knocked out. The Robertson has gone, beaten by Michael Holt, the | :06:31. | :06:34. | |
surprises keep coming. The running of the red carpet to Ronnie | :06:35. | :06:38. | |
O'Sullivan who begins his second round match in a few days. That may | :06:39. | :06:43. | |
give you a little look at this room. It is quite big. We have the baby | :06:44. | :06:48. | |
seat sport cameras providing live and continuous coverage throughout | :06:49. | :06:53. | |
the three weeks here in Sheffield. What is this game all about? We all | :06:54. | :06:58. | |
know about snooker, we know about Stephen Hendry, all the big names of | :06:59. | :07:05. | |
the game, but it has turned rather global in recent years. It is not | :07:06. | :07:09. | |
just the English playing snooker, it is the whole world and it is a sport | :07:10. | :07:20. | |
that came from humble beginnings. This body gets back to the English | :07:21. | :07:25. | |
game of billiards. It was a particular gentleman, popular with | :07:26. | :07:29. | |
royalty. By the late 19th century, British Armed Forces in India | :07:30. | :07:33. | |
adapted the game but adding coloured balls, snooker was born. The first | :07:34. | :07:39. | |
official said crews were drafted in 1882. The group grew in popularity | :07:40. | :07:44. | |
in England, though it was still they came for the gentry. In 1927, a | :07:45. | :07:48. | |
chubby chip tournament was organised. The standard wasn't quite | :07:49. | :07:57. | |
what we used to today. The highest was just 60. In the 1930s and 40s, | :07:58. | :08:00. | |
snooker was dominated by Jill Davis. He won the first 15 World | :08:01. | :08:06. | |
Championships. The big turning point for the sport was television. In the | :08:07. | :08:13. | |
late 1960s, the BBC ordered to show the latest colour TV technology and | :08:14. | :08:18. | |
snooker was the perfect vehicle. It wasn't long before the World | :08:19. | :08:23. | |
Championship was televised. In Britain, future TV audiences tune in | :08:24. | :08:30. | |
as players like Alex Higgins and Dennis Taylor became household | :08:31. | :08:34. | |
names. Despite that famous defeat, Steve Davis dominated the sport in | :08:35. | :08:38. | |
the 1980s. A decade later, Stephen Hendry ruled the world as interest | :08:39. | :08:46. | |
spread outside the UK. Fast forward 20 years and you have a sport which | :08:47. | :08:51. | |
is truly global. Snooker has an audience of 500 million as players | :08:52. | :08:55. | |
from around the world compete for the biggest prize in the sport. Yes, | :08:56. | :09:06. | |
snooker is truly global and to give you an impression of that, and | :09:07. | :09:11. | |
illustration, three Chinese players are in action today here in | :09:12. | :09:14. | |
Sheffield. Perhaps the biggest game of the day, Judd Trump, one of the | :09:15. | :09:21. | |
most popular players, against Liang Wenbo. Look how close we are. Look | :09:22. | :09:27. | |
at the access we have. It lot of people don't realise when you watch | :09:28. | :09:33. | |
on TV how big these tables are. That work along. Let's see how big it is | :09:34. | :09:40. | |
and how difficult it is to get these big balls into these small pockets. | :09:41. | :09:48. | |
We have players coming in now they want to be world champion, coming | :09:49. | :09:53. | |
in, getting ready for the big game this afternoon and that big game is | :09:54. | :10:00. | |
Judd Trump, Liang Wenbo. It is all on BBC News, the BBC website. Have a | :10:01. | :10:06. | |
look and I will practice my game. I don't have a cute though. Set the | :10:07. | :10:15. | |
pulse. I will play with my hand. He is enjoying himself way too much. | :10:16. | :10:17. | |
Why doesn't he just get a cute? Thousands of people are being held | :10:18. | :10:22. | |
in immigration detention centres across the UK waiting to be | :10:23. | :10:25. | |
deported, some are asylum seekers who've had their applications | :10:26. | :10:28. | |
to stay in the country refused; others are foreign criminals who've | :10:29. | :10:30. | |
been released from prison and who are also waiting to be sent | :10:31. | :10:34. | |
back to their country of origin. Most pass through these centres | :10:35. | :10:38. | |
in months, but others can be An investigation by this programme | :10:39. | :10:41. | |
has found that the government paid out ?18 million in compensation | :10:42. | :10:45. | |
in four years to people who were kept in these | :10:46. | :10:48. | |
centres unlawfully. The biggest individual payout | :10:49. | :10:52. | |
between 2012 and 2015 was ?155,000. So is the system of removing people | :10:53. | :10:59. | |
from the UK broken? We'll talk about this more | :11:00. | :11:05. | |
in a moment with the Joint Council for the Welfare of Immigrants | :11:06. | :11:08. | |
and a UKIP Member of First, here's a clip | :11:09. | :11:10. | |
from Catrin Nye's exclusive report. Ahmed is a Christian and came to the | :11:11. | :11:24. | |
UK 17 years ago seeking asylum from Iran. His claim field, he developed | :11:25. | :11:29. | |
a drug problem and ended up in prison for stabbing a man. The | :11:30. | :11:33. | |
security guard was challenging me over shoplifting. I stabbed him. I | :11:34. | :11:42. | |
stabbed him. After prison, Ahmed was sent to detention for deportation. | :11:43. | :11:45. | |
Immigration detention centres are holding centres for different | :11:46. | :11:49. | |
categories of people the government wants to deport. Iran wouldn't | :11:50. | :11:54. | |
accept Ahmed back. He doesn't have a passport and the UK Government | :11:55. | :11:57. | |
doesn't have documentation to prove he's uranium. Three and a half years | :11:58. | :12:04. | |
detention. They cannot deport an Iranian guy without an Iranian | :12:05. | :12:12. | |
passport. Ahmed was awarded ?33,000 compensation for unlawful detention | :12:13. | :12:15. | |
and he is one of many. The government has paid out millions in | :12:16. | :12:18. | |
compensation to those it should not have held in immigration detention. | :12:19. | :12:23. | |
A total of more than ?18 million over four years. The UK is the only | :12:24. | :12:30. | |
country in Europe that has no time limit to detention. Immigration | :12:31. | :12:34. | |
detention is lawful in certain circumstances where the Home Office | :12:35. | :12:37. | |
is attempting to deport someone and there is a reasonable prospect of | :12:38. | :12:41. | |
that taking place, but we are seeing people detained for months, often | :12:42. | :12:46. | |
years, long after it becomes apparent that there is no prospect | :12:47. | :12:53. | |
of their deportation taking place. Between 2012 and 2015 the Home | :12:54. | :12:58. | |
Office has had to hand over up to ?155,000 to individuals wrongfully | :12:59. | :13:03. | |
detained. 32,000 people went through these centres last year. 60% then | :13:04. | :13:07. | |
went back into the community in the United Kingdom. There aren't many | :13:08. | :13:12. | |
stories at work on everyone agrees the system is an absolute failure. | :13:13. | :13:18. | |
Whether the whole system is a failure, I do not know, but this | :13:19. | :13:23. | |
part that is not working nearly well enough. Many taxpayers would be | :13:24. | :13:28. | |
greatly annoyed and offended that their money is going to look after | :13:29. | :13:33. | |
some of these people who should not be in these detention centres but we | :13:34. | :13:37. | |
are paying out compensation because the courts have deemed they have | :13:38. | :13:42. | |
been detained wrongly as well. Ahmed did not have a home for a right to | :13:43. | :13:47. | |
stay in the UK and he blew it all. He now does have the right to stay. | :13:48. | :13:53. | |
This is crazy. Wasting your time and my time and taxpayer money. It is | :13:54. | :13:56. | |
all waste, waste, waste. We did ask the Home Office to come | :13:57. | :14:02. | |
on the programme to speak to us but they decided against it and gave | :14:03. | :14:05. | |
us this statement instead: Decisions to detain individuals | :14:06. | :14:08. | |
are reviewed regularly to ensure they remain justified and reasonable | :14:09. | :14:10. | |
and, if necessary, they can be We are committed to treating | :14:11. | :14:13. | |
all detainees with dignity and respect and take the welfare | :14:14. | :14:16. | |
of detainees very seriously. Here to talk about this | :14:17. | :14:19. | |
is Chai Patel from the Joint Council for the Welfare of Immigrants | :14:20. | :14:22. | |
who works with those who end up in detention centres, | :14:23. | :14:25. | |
and Gerrard Batten the UKIP MEP for London and a former UKIP | :14:26. | :14:27. | |
spokesman on immigration. Welcome those of you. What should | :14:28. | :14:40. | |
Britain do with a man who cannot be returned to Iran because Iran won't | :14:41. | :14:46. | |
have him and he has no passport? You are talking about specific cases | :14:47. | :14:48. | |
where there might be difficulty that we have a broken and dysfunctional | :14:49. | :14:53. | |
asylum system. The last time I saw figures there were a couple of | :14:54. | :14:56. | |
hundred thousand cases backed up and waiting to be dealt with. If we | :14:57. | :15:01. | |
could deal with the everyday cases more speedily and deport people more | :15:02. | :15:04. | |
quickly we would have more time to spend on the difficult cases. Employ | :15:05. | :15:08. | |
more efficient to go through the cases? | :15:09. | :15:14. | |
We have open borders. We are not deporting people speedily who have | :15:15. | :15:22. | |
no legal right to be here. We need new legislation that allows us to | :15:23. | :15:28. | |
deport vias abuse of cases quickly, abusing our system I mean. We do not | :15:29. | :15:34. | |
control it. We have no border controls with the EU but the rest of | :15:35. | :15:37. | |
the world does not have much trouble getting in either. Everybody has to | :15:38. | :15:45. | |
show a passport. Yes, but we do not just of uncontrolled immigration | :15:46. | :15:50. | |
from the EU. This is not about immigration. It is about a silent | :15:51. | :15:55. | |
seekers. It is not just the phylum see is. The people who have received | :15:56. | :16:08. | |
compensation are asylum seekers waiting to be deported or foreign | :16:09. | :16:15. | |
prisoners. I do not see why it is so difficult to deport these people. We | :16:16. | :16:19. | |
should apply some diplomatic muscle and apply sanctions to those | :16:20. | :16:22. | |
countries, hitting them where it hurts. Iran is the example. That is | :16:23. | :16:30. | |
a particularly bad example of the country. I am sure there are other | :16:31. | :16:37. | |
countries we can apply pressure to. If they are detained illegally to | :16:38. | :16:40. | |
you agree they should be paid compensation? No. You do not agree | :16:41. | :16:51. | |
they should be paid compensation if they are detained illegally. What | :16:52. | :16:56. | |
rights do they have? If they are here illegally they do not have a | :16:57. | :17:00. | |
legal right to be here therefore it is reasonable to detain them for a | :17:01. | :17:07. | |
period of time and depending on the case... I do not agree we should be | :17:08. | :17:12. | |
detaining people for three years. They should not be funded by the | :17:13. | :17:16. | |
taxpayer. It is tens of thousands of pounds. How do you fix this system? | :17:17. | :17:25. | |
What is the answer? It is important to note that people who claim | :17:26. | :17:30. | |
asylum, anybody has the right to claim asylum and if they are not | :17:31. | :17:34. | |
granted asylum they can be removed but that does not mean they are here | :17:35. | :17:40. | |
illegally, it means they came here and claimed a legal right and it was | :17:41. | :17:45. | |
decided they are not refugees and we are not going to grant them asylum | :17:46. | :17:50. | |
and they can be removed. When you detain someone the Home Office is | :17:51. | :17:57. | |
only meant to do that when they are about to be removed and it is meant | :17:58. | :18:00. | |
to be used sparingly and what we are seeing in the current detention | :18:01. | :18:03. | |
system is that the Home Office is massively using that system and | :18:04. | :18:07. | |
detaining more people than it should. Why? It is a combination of | :18:08. | :18:14. | |
errors. A huge amount of pressure to be seen to be doing things about | :18:15. | :18:19. | |
people. Home Office caseworkers, the people who make the decisions to | :18:20. | :18:24. | |
detain, are often not clear on their obligations under the rules and do | :18:25. | :18:29. | |
not looked cases properly and often do not consider relevant evidence. A | :18:30. | :18:34. | |
lot of mistakes are made putting people into detention, a lot of it | :18:35. | :18:37. | |
is done for administrative convenience. People watching our | :18:38. | :18:42. | |
cross about the amounts being paid in compensation. Janet says ?33,000, | :18:43. | :18:50. | |
what a waste of money for nothing. Some people work for years to earn | :18:51. | :18:55. | |
that. Chris says, are we supposed to feel sorry for the man in your | :18:56. | :19:01. | |
report? He is an army deserter. Even his own country does not want him | :19:02. | :19:10. | |
and who can blame them? Does it need more officials, more in admin? Is it | :19:11. | :19:16. | |
about locking fewer people up? What if they disappear? The commonly | :19:17. | :19:22. | |
agreed solution amongst most people who are not the government is that | :19:23. | :19:25. | |
we should be locking far fewer people up. We use detention far more | :19:26. | :19:29. | |
than other countries and have a different detention system in most | :19:30. | :19:36. | |
countries. We are one of the few countries voted time-limit for | :19:37. | :19:42. | |
detention. Recent cross Parliamentary inquiry into the use | :19:43. | :19:45. | |
of detention in the UK came up with the number of recommendations on how | :19:46. | :19:48. | |
to do this better than one of them is to have a 28 day time-limit for | :19:49. | :19:54. | |
detention and the other is to engage more with detainees. Other countries | :19:55. | :20:00. | |
that have much better rates of removal, if you want to speed up the | :20:01. | :20:04. | |
process and make it work better you have to make it a fair process | :20:05. | :20:09. | |
because people are more likely to engage if they feel they are being | :20:10. | :20:11. | |
treated fairly. Thank you. Still to come: What are you meant | :20:12. | :20:15. | |
to do if you get caught Well, this video will be shown | :20:16. | :20:18. | |
to one million Brits who work in busy places like shopping | :20:19. | :20:22. | |
centres, to try to teach them Paul Gascoigne has been talking | :20:23. | :20:25. | |
about his alcoholism. On ITV's Good Morning Britain, | :20:26. | :20:48. | |
the former England footballer Paul Gascoigne says he had been | :20:49. | :20:50. | |
sober for months and the incident Over the years, he has been in rehab | :20:51. | :20:53. | |
seven times, but this morning said only three of them | :20:54. | :20:58. | |
were for alcohol addiction. Mentioned there so | :20:59. | :21:00. | |
many times in rehab. People forget I have been | :21:01. | :21:02. | |
there for Red Bull, Calpol, other I have only been in rehab really | :21:03. | :21:04. | |
seriously three times When was the last time | :21:05. | :21:09. | |
you were in rehab? That was when I passed | :21:10. | :21:18. | |
away apparently. Some people get it quite | :21:19. | :21:23. | |
early and get this In Bournemouth where | :21:24. | :21:31. | |
I live there are a lot of people who have had this addiction | :21:32. | :21:35. | |
who are allowed to get on with it. I am not allowed to get | :21:36. | :21:38. | |
on with my illness. I am being followed all | :21:39. | :21:42. | |
I did you for my Life Stories show about four years ago. | :21:43. | :21:47. | |
You have been through a hell of a lot then. | :21:48. | :21:50. | |
You have been through a | :21:51. | :21:51. | |
Looking at you now, you look in good nick. | :21:52. | :21:54. | |
It is amazing what a bit of Botox can do | :21:55. | :21:58. | |
Now, after the last one I said to someone, I am glad the | :21:59. | :22:02. | |
papers did not get hold of it, and then they sent us a photo. | :22:03. | :22:05. | |
Sometimes it helps us because when I am | :22:06. | :22:07. | |
actually in it I do not realise how bad I actually am. | :22:08. | :22:10. | |
When you saw that image, and it was a horrible image, | :22:11. | :22:13. | |
you had cut your face, when you look at that | :22:14. | :22:15. | |
picture, and the viewers are | :22:16. | :22:16. | |
looking at it, what does that tell you? | :22:17. | :22:18. | |
When you wake up and you realise what has happened, what goes | :22:19. | :22:21. | |
I have to look back and think, where does it all | :22:22. | :22:25. | |
Maybe I relapsed two weeks before I actually did so I have | :22:26. | :22:29. | |
I leave the apartment where I am staying and | :22:30. | :22:32. | |
the workmen will say, be careful, there | :22:33. | :22:33. | |
are two guys waiting in the | :22:34. | :22:35. | |
There is nothing worse when you are trying to relax | :22:36. | :22:38. | |
I was three years sober there and I felt | :22:39. | :22:44. | |
If I pop in and the press follows us they say I am going back | :22:45. | :22:49. | |
When was the last time you had a drink? About a month ago I had a two | :22:50. | :23:02. | |
deep lip. That was just momentary? You say you last had a drink 11 | :23:03. | :23:07. | |
months ago. When was that photograph taken? Three weeks ago you had a | :23:08. | :23:15. | |
drink. Yes. If you were violently attacked, | :23:16. | :23:19. | |
you'd go to A for treatment for your injuries and an annual | :23:20. | :23:21. | |
survey of people treated in accident and emergency departments in England | :23:22. | :23:24. | |
and Wales suggests the long-term decline in violence | :23:25. | :23:27. | |
has come to an end. That's according to figures | :23:28. | :23:29. | |
from Cardiff University. More women and girls, | :23:30. | :23:30. | |
and those 50 and older, are being admitted to A | :23:31. | :23:32. | |
in the last year due We're going to talk now to two | :23:33. | :23:35. | |
people who were violently assaulted and treated in A afterwards, | :23:36. | :23:40. | |
and two medical professionals who work in hospitals | :23:41. | :23:42. | |
helping such patients. Paul Kohler, Head of School of Law | :23:43. | :23:47. | |
at SOAS University of London, was attacked by burglars at his home | :23:48. | :23:50. | |
in South London two years ago. Kate Bolsover says she was raped | :23:51. | :23:53. | |
by her ex partner and had to go She's waived her right to anonymity | :23:54. | :23:57. | |
to talk to us today. Dr Khaled Siriva and Dr | :23:58. | :24:02. | |
Hamed Khan are also here. Tell our audience what happened when | :24:03. | :24:13. | |
you answered the door a couple of years ago. It was a summer evening | :24:14. | :24:18. | |
and four guys rushed through the door and started beating me up. I | :24:19. | :24:25. | |
ended up with a fractured eye socket, multiple bruising, broken | :24:26. | :24:29. | |
nose, needed a blood transfusion. Did they say anything? Yes, where is | :24:30. | :24:40. | |
the money? How did you react? There was not any money. I am an academic | :24:41. | :24:46. | |
for goodness sake. In terms of the injuries and the time it took to | :24:47. | :24:50. | |
treat you to get you better, tell us about that. The NHS were phenomenal, | :24:51. | :24:56. | |
incredibly professional, A were very good and took me in | :24:57. | :25:01. | |
straightaway and treated me. I was in hospital for four days. | :25:02. | :25:08. | |
Incredibly professional. They were caught and tried. What was the | :25:09. | :25:18. | |
outcome? 13 to 19 years in prison. Thank you for weaving your right to | :25:19. | :25:21. | |
anonymity. Tell us about what happened to you five and a half | :25:22. | :25:28. | |
years ago. I had had the horribly abusive relationship and during that | :25:29. | :25:38. | |
relationship I was raped ten times than the last time left me | :25:39. | :25:44. | |
permanently damaged. I went to A, I worked at the hospital, I | :25:45. | :25:48. | |
pretended I was going to work and I got help. You had to pretend you | :25:49. | :25:53. | |
were going in for a shift, that was the only way you could get | :25:54. | :25:57. | |
treatment? Yes. How were you treated? At the time, amazingly, but | :25:58. | :26:05. | |
no mention was made about who had done this. I was given numbers for | :26:06. | :26:10. | |
victim support and things like that but not actually anything was spoken | :26:11. | :26:16. | |
about domestic abuse. Why use a prized you were not questioned | :26:17. | :26:21. | |
gently a little more? If it happened now I would be but at the time I did | :26:22. | :26:26. | |
not realise what I was going through was domestic abuse so it would have | :26:27. | :26:33. | |
surprised me. You work in paediatrics. What injuries TUC | :26:34. | :26:39. | |
following violent crime? I have seen a variety of different injuries, | :26:40. | :26:47. | |
lots of fractures, broken bones, ie injuries, deep nasty lacerations as | :26:48. | :26:54. | |
well. Often the perpetrators are other children. Gang related | :26:55. | :26:57. | |
violence is increasing. 1500 child the rest last year and a 20% higher | :26:58. | :27:05. | |
than the year before, with respect to gang-related violence, and often | :27:06. | :27:10. | |
the perpetrators are people the children now. Do you question them | :27:11. | :27:13. | |
as a medical professional about what happened? Absolutely. The real | :27:14. | :27:20. | |
challenge in paediatric A when dealing with such indeed these is | :27:21. | :27:27. | |
not to do with the clinical treatment, we have the expertise to | :27:28. | :27:30. | |
physically treat the injuries, the real challenge is looking at the | :27:31. | :27:35. | |
social determinants and the situation holistic like to find the | :27:36. | :27:38. | |
underlying causes and dynamic that have led to a situation where a | :27:39. | :27:43. | |
child has often not been sufficiently supervised or has got | :27:44. | :27:48. | |
involved with gangs and so on is this is why a multi-agency approach | :27:49. | :27:53. | |
with information between different professionals is so important | :27:54. | :27:56. | |
because I only see a snapshot of that incident and that child. Tell | :27:57. | :28:03. | |
us about the pilot project your hospital has just finished which is | :28:04. | :28:06. | |
aimed at better tackling these kind of injuries. It started about two | :28:07. | :28:14. | |
years ago. It was started by a doctor who has left the department. | :28:15. | :28:21. | |
A project sharing information with Ealing Council about patients | :28:22. | :28:25. | |
attending A with a sword. A generated report on a monthly basis | :28:26. | :28:34. | |
-- assault. Giving anonymous information about the age of the | :28:35. | :28:39. | |
victim and the location, giving the first two letters of the postcode | :28:40. | :28:45. | |
and the nature of the injury. For knife crime or serious injury we are | :28:46. | :28:51. | |
supposed to phone the police. The aim of that is what? To identify | :28:52. | :28:59. | |
hotspots in the area that have higher rates of crime and tackle it. | :29:00. | :29:05. | |
You recently installed the domestic violence officer. We have a domestic | :29:06. | :29:11. | |
violence officer at the hospital. That is what Kate was referring to. | :29:12. | :29:18. | |
Why? It is a high-profile topic, very topical, and we have to tackle | :29:19. | :29:27. | |
that just as they do in paediatric and a multidiscipline fashion, we | :29:28. | :29:32. | |
have an authors who gives counselling to the victims and makes | :29:33. | :29:36. | |
sure they are safe and will not be victims of the perpetrators again. | :29:37. | :29:44. | |
We offer them support and even cases to stay away from the perpetrator. | :29:45. | :29:52. | |
You look well. Amazingly well. Psychologically how has what has | :29:53. | :29:54. | |
happened to you affected you and your family? One moves on. It | :29:55. | :30:01. | |
affected all of us, particularly my daughter, who called the police, she | :30:02. | :30:07. | |
was upstairs. We met one of the perpetrators and that helped us, | :30:08. | :30:08. | |
particularly my daughter. Meeting him made him more of a human | :30:09. | :30:33. | |
being and less a monster. Treated as a nuisance by the police and victim | :30:34. | :30:37. | |
ashamed, Lily Allen criticises the net for how they dealt with the | :30:38. | :30:41. | |
case. But was she the exception or the other victims feel the same? Is | :30:42. | :30:47. | |
Prince William a reluctant royal? Some newspapers have criticised him | :30:48. | :30:51. | |
for being work-shy. You can hear what he thinks about that in our | :30:52. | :30:54. | |
interview with him at a quarter to 11. | :30:55. | :30:58. | |
Now it is time for the latest news headlines. | :30:59. | :31:00. | |
An investigation for this programme has found that more than ?4 million | :31:01. | :31:03. | |
is being paid each year in compensation to people who have | :31:04. | :31:06. | |
been held unlawfully in immigration detention centres. | :31:07. | :31:07. | |
The centres hold people the government is trying to deport, | :31:08. | :31:10. | |
including failed asylum-seekers and foreign prisoners. | :31:11. | :31:11. | |
The Home Office says detention is part of a 'firm | :31:12. | :31:14. | |
Prince William has rejected criticism of his commitment | :31:15. | :31:22. | |
to his royal duties, saying he's currently focusing | :31:23. | :31:24. | |
on his role as a father and as an air ambulance pilot - | :31:25. | :31:27. | |
but is willing to take on more responsibility when the time comes. | :31:28. | :31:30. | |
In a BBC interview to mark the Queen's 90th birthday, | :31:31. | :31:33. | |
he also talked about the "incredible insights" he's gained | :31:34. | :31:36. | |
from her and his own ambitions for the monarchy when he finally | :31:37. | :31:39. | |
The number of people out of work has gone up for the first time | :31:40. | :31:48. | |
UK unemployment rose by 21,000 to 1.7 million | :31:49. | :31:51. | |
Stephen Crabb said that the UK remains in a position of strength. | :31:52. | :32:08. | |
We know you should never red too much into one individual set of | :32:09. | :32:15. | |
monthly data. What is important is the underlying trend and the data | :32:16. | :32:19. | |
shows the underlying trend in the UK economy are very positive indeed | :32:20. | :32:24. | |
with the overall employment rate at record high levels. That is very | :32:25. | :32:25. | |
good. The body of a British | :32:26. | :32:27. | |
man who went missing in the Andes Mountains of Peru, | :32:28. | :32:29. | |
has been found almost two weeks Harry Greaves had been | :32:30. | :32:32. | |
visiting friends in Pisac, about 50 miles from Machu Picchu, | :32:33. | :32:35. | |
when he left for a solo hike two His family have paid tribute to him, | :32:36. | :32:38. | |
and thanked people for their help That's a summary of the latest news, | :32:39. | :32:42. | |
join me for BBC Newsroom Newcastle missed the chance to move | :32:43. | :32:59. | |
out of the Premier League relegation zone after a 1-1 draw with | :33:00. | :33:04. | |
Manchester city. They may feel they should have taken all three points. | :33:05. | :33:10. | |
Sergio Aguero clearly offside. Aguero headed in his 100th Premier | :33:11. | :33:18. | |
League goal. The qualifier, Michael Holt has enjoyed the biggest win of | :33:19. | :33:22. | |
his career, knocking out Neil Robertson at the World Snooker | :33:23. | :33:27. | |
champion -- jumping ship. Robertson is the fourth former winner to lose | :33:28. | :33:31. | |
in the first round this year. Russia is poised to announce reforms | :33:32. | :33:37. | |
designed to restore trust in its anti-doping agency. Russian athletes | :33:38. | :33:41. | |
are banned from international competition. They will find out next | :33:42. | :33:43. | |
month if they are cleared for the real Olympics. Bernie Ecclestone has | :33:44. | :33:49. | |
said female drivers could not physically drive a F1 car. He said | :33:50. | :33:54. | |
they would be taken seriously though he believes more women will become | :33:55. | :33:56. | |
F1 chief executives in the future. The reality of a possible mass | :33:57. | :34:02. | |
terror attack in the UK hits home with plans for a million British | :34:03. | :34:05. | |
people who work in busy places like shopping centres and railway | :34:06. | :34:08. | |
stations to be taught what to do Paris and Brussels have already | :34:09. | :34:11. | |
suffered this pain and tragedy and now intelligence bosses | :34:12. | :34:14. | |
say attacks are more likely across Europe | :34:15. | :34:16. | |
this summer on holidaymakers. They warn that the terror group | :34:17. | :34:18. | |
Islamic State could be planning more attacks like the one in Tunisia last | :34:19. | :34:21. | |
year, particularly in resorts At home, the threat | :34:22. | :34:23. | |
level remains severe. Security experts plan to show this | :34:24. | :34:27. | |
video to 1 million Brits this year. They want to show this video to | :34:28. | :34:53. | |
hundreds of people so this could be for you. | :34:54. | :34:58. | |
If you hear gunshots, the best option is to evacuate, but only do | :34:59. | :35:05. | |
so if it will not put you in greater danger. Consider your route. Leave | :35:06. | :35:09. | |
your belongings behind. Insist others come with you but do not let | :35:10. | :35:14. | |
their indecision slow you down. Once you have identified a safe route, | :35:15. | :35:20. | |
run. Consider your route as you leave. Will it place you in a line | :35:21. | :35:24. | |
of fire? Is it safer to wait for the attacker to move before you | :35:25. | :35:30. | |
continue? If you cannot move to safety, hide. Consider your exits | :35:31. | :35:35. | |
and escape routes. Avoid dead ends and bottlenecks. Try to find places | :35:36. | :35:39. | |
with reinforced walls. Try to lock yourself in a room and move away | :35:40. | :35:44. | |
from the tour. Be as quiet as possible. Put your mobile phone to | :35:45. | :35:49. | |
silent and switch of vibrate. Do not shout for help body do anything to | :35:50. | :35:53. | |
give away to hiding place. The best hiding place will have a substantial | :35:54. | :35:57. | |
physical barrier between you and the attacker. If you are able to | :35:58. | :36:05. | |
evacuate, get as far away from the danger area as possible. Try to stop | :36:06. | :36:08. | |
others from entering but only if this will not put you in danger. | :36:09. | :36:14. | |
Call the police. Dialled 999 and tell them clearly the location of | :36:15. | :36:16. | |
you and the attackers. Professor Anthony police is with us. | :36:17. | :36:26. | |
What do you think of a video like this? I think it is very important. | :36:27. | :36:33. | |
It is very necessary. There will be many people who say it is | :36:34. | :36:38. | |
scaremongering. There will be many people who say is this likes dad | :36:39. | :36:45. | |
army, do not panic? Stay calm and carry on. Actually, I think it is | :36:46. | :36:50. | |
really important that at the time of heightened danger there should be | :36:51. | :36:56. | |
people, nationally, you know what to do if any of us ordinary people get | :36:57. | :37:01. | |
caught up in a terrorist attack, a bomb plot or what have you. This is | :37:02. | :37:09. | |
a reintroduction of civil defence in this country as it was in the Second | :37:10. | :37:13. | |
World War. 1 million people are going to be trained what to do in a | :37:14. | :37:18. | |
basic way and that is good for all of us. So-called Islamic State | :37:19. | :37:25. | |
appeared to be pretty resourceful. Is it inevitable that big cities in | :37:26. | :37:33. | |
Europe and America will be targeted? I think it is absolutely inevitable | :37:34. | :37:39. | |
that Islamic State jihadists will try to have a go at us either in our | :37:40. | :37:45. | |
shopping centres, our shopping malls, our football matches or even | :37:46. | :37:49. | |
on the beaches people want to take their well earned holiday is on. It | :37:50. | :37:54. | |
is inevitable that it will do so, but it is not inevitable that they | :37:55. | :37:58. | |
will do so successfully and that is very important. It is important to | :37:59. | :38:05. | |
stress this point. MI5 and the joint terrorism analysis Centre have told | :38:06. | :38:09. | |
us that the threat to us in the United Kingdom remains severe. That | :38:10. | :38:14. | |
is to say that an attack on us is highly likely. Those attacks can be | :38:15. | :38:20. | |
disrupted. Our Prime Minister, David Cameron, has told us that in 2015, | :38:21. | :38:26. | |
seven Islamic State attacks were disrupted and people convicted and | :38:27. | :38:30. | |
will be convicted. We shouldn't panic about this. We should stay | :38:31. | :38:35. | |
calm, but the threat is there and it is vital that people should know | :38:36. | :38:39. | |
what to do and as we heard just now, what people should do is not stand | :38:40. | :38:46. | |
and at the brave person, people should run, they should seek shelter | :38:47. | :38:51. | |
and they should dial 999. Thank you for your time. | :38:52. | :38:53. | |
Singer Lily Allen has accused police dealing with her stalking case | :38:54. | :38:56. | |
Ms Allen said that after she spoke out about her ordeal, | :38:57. | :38:59. | |
a Met officer suggested her "high profile" intervention may | :39:00. | :39:01. | |
have discouraged others from coming forward. | :39:02. | :39:06. | |
It's estimated that one in five women and one in ten men | :39:07. | :39:09. | |
will experience stalking in their adult life, | :39:10. | :39:11. | |
but victims don't tend to tell the police about it | :39:12. | :39:14. | |
In an interview with BBC Newsnight, Lily Allen spoke about the police's | :39:15. | :39:19. | |
It transpires that on the 9th of October he had sent an e-mail to his | :39:20. | :39:39. | |
mother saying that he was in London, had come into some money, probably | :39:40. | :39:45. | |
from my handbag, and he was determined to murder a celebrity. | :39:46. | :39:51. | |
The police didn't tell me that and I was living in the same flat on my | :39:52. | :40:01. | |
own. Albeit with a security guard. Then, on the 11th, I was teaching at | :40:02. | :40:10. | |
an event and I came home at about one o'clock in the morning to find | :40:11. | :40:15. | |
the handbag that had been stolen on the bonnet of my car, burnt out. At | :40:16. | :40:19. | |
which point I called the police and the police came over and I think | :40:20. | :40:28. | |
that it was the next day that the installed CCTV on the outside of my | :40:29. | :40:34. | |
house. Then, a day after that, he was arrested. | :40:35. | :40:47. | |
Due to the high profile of this matter, I feel are the victims of | :40:48. | :40:52. | |
similar crimes may have red the story and may not have the | :40:53. | :40:56. | |
confidence in us to report such matters. As such it is important to | :40:57. | :41:02. | |
understand what if anything, went wrong during the investigation. I | :41:03. | :41:06. | |
was saddened to hear of this report so would like to hear your views on | :41:07. | :41:13. | |
what we could do better. What do you think of that e-mail? I think it is | :41:14. | :41:17. | |
a victim shaming and victim blaming. His sentencing must bring some | :41:18. | :41:22. | |
relief. It does bring me some relief if he is sentenced and dealt with as | :41:23. | :41:28. | |
a mentally ill person. If he is not, I am not safe and my children are | :41:29. | :41:34. | |
not safe. I am not in the slightest bit angry with Alex Gray. I could | :41:35. | :41:38. | |
see from the moment he came into my bedroom that he was ill and he | :41:39. | :41:43. | |
needed help. I wanted to help them. I felt immediately like something is | :41:44. | :41:52. | |
really wrong with this guy and I feel like | :41:53. | :41:54. | |
I have been let down and how many other people are being let down? | :41:55. | :42:01. | |
Zoe Dronfield joins us via webcam from Birmingham. | :42:02. | :42:03. | |
She was stalked by her ex-partner who later attacked her | :42:04. | :42:06. | |
leaving her hospitalised with a bleed on her brain. | :42:07. | :42:12. | |
Alexis Bowater was cyber-stalked by a man who was jailed for four | :42:13. | :42:14. | |
years for sending her violent and threatening emails. | :42:15. | :42:16. | |
She later became chair of the Network for Surviving | :42:17. | :42:19. | |
And in the studio I'm joined by Rachel Griffin, | :42:20. | :42:22. | |
Director of the Suzy Lamplugh Trust, a charity which deals with issues | :42:23. | :42:25. | |
what do you think of the police singularly Allen that the fact she | :42:26. | :42:32. | |
criticised the Met might put off other victims from coming forward? | :42:33. | :42:41. | |
It just highlights what Lily said. It is victim shaming. Anything that | :42:42. | :42:48. | |
is hidden in secrecy, it just multiplies. We need to be speaking | :42:49. | :42:52. | |
out and we need to trim the police on how they deal with these matters. | :42:53. | :42:55. | |
There is an issue around the training of the staff in the forces | :42:56. | :42:59. | |
and the understanding of stopping behaviour. What do you think of what | :43:00. | :43:07. | |
Lily Allen Stern regarding payment? I am grateful she has spoken out | :43:08. | :43:10. | |
about her experience and I would make the point it is not up to | :43:11. | :43:15. | |
victims to modify their behaviour to compensate for the fact that the | :43:16. | :43:18. | |
police are not doing a good enough job. Might it stop some people | :43:19. | :43:24. | |
coming forward this remark I really hope not. The longer term and the | :43:25. | :43:29. | |
bigger picture is what we need to focus on which is on driving up the | :43:30. | :43:32. | |
police response. We released research that showed that 43% of | :43:33. | :43:37. | |
people who reported stopping to the police found their response is not | :43:38. | :43:42. | |
helpful at all. Let's get that percentage down before the target | :43:43. | :43:47. | |
victims. Tell us a little bit about what happened to you? I was in a | :43:48. | :43:52. | |
relationship I was trying to end and that is when the stocking started. | :43:53. | :43:59. | |
It was constant calls, texts, e-mails. There are so many | :44:00. | :44:05. | |
communication platforms these days. It was consistent, unwanted | :44:06. | :44:08. | |
attention. I had police involvement and I explained to them, I am trying | :44:09. | :44:13. | |
to work, it is affecting my life and it was seen as a joke. By the | :44:14. | :44:21. | |
police, it was seen as a joke? They said you need to get a nice | :44:22. | :44:27. | |
boyfriend in future. Sorry, somebody said that to you? A police officer? | :44:28. | :44:35. | |
Yes. Exactly. That is why I think they need to understand it is not | :44:36. | :44:39. | |
romantic, it is persistent, unwanted attention and it is frightening when | :44:40. | :44:44. | |
you explain it to somebody what is happening to you and they are not | :44:45. | :44:47. | |
taking it seriously. What did you do. The police do not understand, so | :44:48. | :44:54. | |
you have to manage the behaviour yourself, which is what I did. I | :44:55. | :44:56. | |
said I would beat him. This | :44:57. | :22:42. |