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An investigation by this programme shows the government is paying out

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millions of pounds in compensation to failed asylum seekers and foreign

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criminals who are illegally detained while awaiting deportation.

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This is crazy. Just wasting your time and my time, yeah and taxpayers

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time and wasting money as well. It is just all waste, waste.

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Violent crime has been dropping for years but the trend

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We'll look at why this could be happening and talk to two

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And how does Prince William, the next in line to

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the throne-but-one, answer criticism that he's "work shy"?

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I'm concentrating very much on my role as a father. I am a new father

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and I take my duties and my responsibilities to my family very

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seriously. and if you text, you will be charged

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at the standard network rate. The Government is paying more

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than ?4 million each year in compensation to people who have

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been held unlawfully A Freedom of Information request

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for this programme found that over ?18 million has been paid out over

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the past four years. The centres hold people

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the Government is trying to deport, including failed asylum-seekers

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and foreign prisoners. The Director of Detention Action,

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Jerome Phelps, told us that people being held in detention often have

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no idea when they're going to be released,

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unlike those in prison. In prison you count your days down.

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In detention you count your days up. The UK is the only country in Europe

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that has no time limit to detention. Every other European country limits

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the maximum period of detention. People are getting big

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pay-outs from the government because they are being detained

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unlawfully by the Home Office. Immigration detention is lawful

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in certain circumstances where the Home Office is attempting

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to deport someone and there is a reasonable prospect

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of that taking place. But what we are seeing

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is people are being detained for months, often for years -

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long after it becomes apparent that there is no prospect

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of their deportation More on that story in ten minutes

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time. Joanna Gosling is in the BBC

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Newsroom with a summary The Port Talbot steel chief

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is forming a management buy-out team to start the process of bidding

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to take over Tata's UK operation which employs

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15,000 people. It's believed the deal

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would involve steel-making continuing at Port Talbot,

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despite its huge losses. Managers would ask employees to help

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finance the new company with their own money,

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as well as looking for private With us now is Tomos Morgan -

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our Wales correspondent - Thomas, tell us more about the

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plans. How well formed are they? Well, as you say, Joanna this is the

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MD of the Port Talbot site here in South Wales and the idea is that

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they would all come together to try and buy the whole of the UK Tata

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operation. Now that would need significant investment from the UK

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Government as well as some of the workers chipping in as well and

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maybe some private investment as well and yesterday, was the last day

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of people expressing an interest in buying Tata across the UK and the

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only other company that we heard of that had interest in buying Port

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Talbot was Liberty Steel. The idea was maybe turning one or two of the

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big blast furnaces in arc furnaces, you about this idea would keep those

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blast furnaces intact and keep the creation of UK steel. The unions

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have welcomed this idea from Stewart Wilkie and welcomed the new

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different style of buying the company, but whether or not they can

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guarantee that investment from the UK Government remains to be seen and

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whether or not they can get anymore private buyers to help that buy-out

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also is another question that needs to be asked. In terms of other

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investors, we haven't heard of anyone so far, so the only two

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realistic prospects are Liberty Steel and this management buy-out

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that we heard from Stewart Wilkie overnight. Thank you very much,

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Thomas. Prince William has answered

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accusations that he's He says he's focusing

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on his roles as a father and an air ambulance pilot

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and he'll take on more responsibilities when

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the time is right. In a BBC interview ahead

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of the Queen's 90th birthday tomorrow, the Prince also talked

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about the "incredible insights" Our royal correspondent,

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Nicholas Witchell, reports. He has more reason than most

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to observe how the Queen goes about her role as monarch,

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one day the task will be his. In his BBC interview William paid

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tribute to his grandmother's sense of duty and her commitment

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to others, but William's own commitment to Royal duty has

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been questioned in recent months. Some newspapers have

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described him as work shy. So to what extect does he share

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the Queen's sense of duty? I take my responsibilities very

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seriously, but it's about finding your own way at the right time

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and if you're not careful, duty can sort of weigh you down

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an awful lot at a very early age and I think that you've got

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to develop into the duty role. William spoke about the importance

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he attaches his to his role as an air ambulance pilot

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in East Anglia and to the time he spends with his wife and children

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and he said his entire family supported the fact that he is not

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yet fully engaged with Royal duties. My grandmother and my father

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are 150% supportive behind everything I'm doing

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and Harry and Catherine. They very much understand that

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whilst my grandmother is still extremely active

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at the helm of the Royal Family, as the monarch, my father is busy

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with his transport responsibilities There is the time now and the space

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to explore other means of doing When the time comes for the Queen

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to hand over more responsibilities, William said he would grasp those

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duties willingly and looking further ahead to the time when he is king,

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he said it would be for him to ensure that the Royal Family

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modernised and remained relevant. The Royal Mail has released

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an historic image of The Queen, Prince Charles, Prince William

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and Prince George, that will be used to make four new postage stamps

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to mark the Queen's 90th birthday. Prince George can be seen posing

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for his very first stamp while perched on a pile

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of foam blocks. The Royal Mail has also produced

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a further six stamps A group of senior ex-US

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advisors has warned Eight former US Treasury Secretaries

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warned that leaving would be a "risky bet",

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saying it could threaten London's In an article published on the eve

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of President Obama's visit to London they said it would be difficult

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to trade outside the single Leave campaigners accused the group

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of "belittling Britain's The body of a British

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man who went missing in the Andes mountains of Peru,

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has been found almost two weeks Harry Greaves had been

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visiting friends in Pisac, about 50 miles from Machu Picchu,

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when he left for a solo hike two His family have paid tribute to him

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and thanked people for their help A new study suggests that primary

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school children who go to after-school clubs or take part

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in sports lessons get better Research carried out

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by the Institute of Education compared the academic performance

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of more than 6,000 children, taking into account

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their involvement in Here's our Education

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Correspondent, Robert Pigott. When classes end at Morningside

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Primary School in Hackney, they roll out the pastry

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and the fun begins. By the age of 11, more affluent

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children are normally doing significantly better in tests

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than disadvantaged pupils. But researchers found that poorer

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pupils who took part in two clubs like this one each week managed

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to cut that gap in The research we carried out found

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that taking part in organised sports and after-school activities helped

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to improve primary schoolchildren's Children themselves say that feeling

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physically fit helps them relax The clubs help them to build

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their social skills. But perhaps most important of all,

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it helps children to have something to succeed at,

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with dramatic effects It helps with your schoolwork

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because you make new friends, You want to enjoy your learning,

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so when you are doing maths My body is all cranky,

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and doing hula hooping helps you come alive and just makes

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you see the real you. The study found disadvantaged

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children often can't afford But Morningside Primary's 33

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after-school clubs are free, and half of its pupils go to them,

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transforming their Presidential hopefuls Donald Trump

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and Hillary Clinton have scored big wins in New York,

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in the contest to choose the It's not yet known if Mr Trump has

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secured a clean sweep of all Republican delegates

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at stake, by earning Victory for Mrs Clinton ends a run

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of recent defeats against her A long-term decline in violence

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in England and Wales may Scientists are hoping that

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a new trial could lead to a breakthrough in the prevention

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of type 1 diabetes in children. It tends to emerge in childhood and

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cannot be prevented: A long-term decline in violence

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in England and Wales may There was no major improvement last

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year. More than 200,000 people are estimated to have attended hospital

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emergency departments for injuries as a result of violence last year.

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The singer, Lily Allen, has been telling BBC Newsnight

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about the night a stalker broke into her house.

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Alex Gray was convicted this month, but the singer now says she thinks

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the police dealing with the case "victim-shamed" her

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Something is really wrong with this guy and I feel like you know, he has

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been let down. I have been let down and how many other people are being

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let down? That's a summary of

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the latest BBC News. We will talk more about stalking

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later on as a result of that interview that Lily Allen gave to

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news night and we will hear from Prince William. He fends off

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criticism that he is a slightly reluctant royal.

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Here is some sport now with Will. It's described on the back

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of The Times as an "offside goal that may cost Newcastle

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?60 million". The Daily Telegraph goes

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with "the Great Toon Robbery". It finished 1-1 between Newcastle

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and Manchester City, denying Newcastle the chance to move

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out of the relegation zone, but Sergio Aguero's goal

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was clearly offside. This was in the 14th

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minute last night. Before Alexsander Kolarov takes

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the freekick, Aguero fails to get back onside before heading

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in for his 100th 17 minutes later, the home side

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were level thanks to this Their manager Rafa Benitez as ever,

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was a bit more diplomatic. We wanted to win, but after that

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against Manchester City, the reaction of the team was so positive

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that you have to be pleased. Pleased for the fans. Pleased for the

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players and hopefully this point will be important at the end of the

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season. Yet another former champion

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has been knocked out of the World Snooker

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Championship in Sheffield. The 2010 winner Neil Robertson

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was the fifth to go at the Crucible. The Australian lost

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by 10 -6 to Michael Holt from Nottingham, who'd come

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through three rounds of qualifying He'll play another former champion,

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Mark Williams, in the next round, I know I can compete if I feel

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comfortable and play and to finally do it a big one. They say water

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doesn't break through rock because it is strong, because it is

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persistent. Yeah, I've won a match! I can't believe it. We will be live

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at The Crucible after 10am this morning for a little peek backstage.

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This will make some of you shudder. Bernie Ecclestone has claimed that

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female drivers would not physically be able to drive a Formula One car

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quickly. The 85-year-old said last night that he doesn't think a woman

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would be taken seriously in the sport, but he does believe an

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increasing number of women would take Formula One Chief Executive

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position in the future. Ecclestone says women are more confident and

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they don't have massive egos! When you are chasing promotion in

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League one, you would be forgiven for having your mind focussed on the

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end of the season sh but Calum ears did pick up after he heard his car

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registration being announced. As soon as I heard the reg, I thought

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that's my numberplate. I said that's my car. That's my car that they have

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just called out. I thought I had blocked someone in, I didn't hear

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that I left my lights on! You've left your lights on Victoria!

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I'll have the headlines for you at 9.30am.

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An investigation by this programme has discovered that over the past

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four years the government has paid out more than ?18 million

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in compensation to people held unlawfully in immigration detention

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The centres hold people the government wants to deport

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and the biggest pay-out by the Home Office was ?155,000.

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Catrin Nye has this exclusive report.

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He says he left the army there without permission.

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As well as getting into trouble with the police, constantly.

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Back home, I meet a girl and she was a Christian and we used

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I was walking in the park and we was kissing each

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other and all that and the police catch us.

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I used to love women, yeah, girl, I mean,

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I was, you call it womaniser, you know?

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And I couldn't be allowed in Iran to do these things

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I like it because it is free country, do

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He ended up homeless and with a serious drug

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The security guard was challenging me over shoplifting.

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I didn't have to stab him but the crack

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cocaine, when you take crack cocaine you are out of your head.

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Hamid was sentenced to 12 months and served six

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He was sent straight to immigration detention for automatic deportation

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Immigration detention centres are holding centres

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for all different categories of people that the

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But Iran would not accept Hamid back, he

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doesn't have a passport and the UK government can't prove he's

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Three and a half years detained, under immigration law,

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And they knew I'm Iranian, they cannot deport

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an Iranian guy, they cannot, without a passport and identity,

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Hamid was awarded ?33,000 compensation for

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In his case because he could not be sent back

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The government has been paying out millions in compensation

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to those it should not have held in immigration detention.

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A total of more than ?18 million over four years.

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Immigration detention centres hold people the government is trying

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This includes failed asylum seekers, foreign national

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prisoners and those who have overstayed their visas.

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Around 30,000 people pass through every

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year, the majority are there for less than two months.

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Many taxpayers would be greatly annoyed and

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offended that their money is going not only to look after someone who

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should not be in these detention centres but we are having to pay

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out compensation because the courts have deemed that they have been

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The difference between prison and detention is that in prison

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you know when you are going to be released

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The UK is the only country in Europe that has no time limit to detention.

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Every other European country limits the maximum period of detention.

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People are getting big pay-outs from the government because they are

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being detained unlawfully by the Home Office.

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Immigration detention is lawful in certain circumstances

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where the Home Office is attempting to deport

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someone and there is a reasonable prospect

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But what we are seeing is people are being detained for

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months, often for years, long after it becomes apparent that there is no

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prospect of their deportation actually taking place.

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Annie, whose name we have changed, is 37 and from

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She is awaiting a decision on her asylum case.

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She says she was trafficked into the UK for

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Annie has been awarded more than ?9,000 compensation.

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Why should they have not had you in detention?

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The doctor said Annie is not supposed to be in detention.

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Home Office policy on the detention of

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those with mental health problems states:

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But what this means varies from case to case.

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You don't have the right to put someone who is

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suffering with mental health in detention.

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Some payments have been far higher than Annie's.

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Between 2012 and 2015 the Home Office has

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had to hand over up to ?155,000 to individuals wrongfully detained.

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32,000 people went through these immigration detention centres last

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year, 60% of them then went back into the community in the United

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These are not prisons, they are places purely to hold

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people who might be at risk of absconding

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between getting hold of them and putting them on a plane

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There are not many stories I work on where

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everyone agrees the system is an absolute failure.

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Whether the whole system is an absolute failure I

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don't know but this particular part of it is not working nearly well

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Hamid did not have a home or a right to be in the UK when he got

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I wasted it on drugs and gambling, you know?

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Because they don't open me account, I haven't

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anywhere to open an account and they said no, you cannot open an account.

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I said look, I have a cheque and they says no,

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we need an electric bill, a phone bill, passport,

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I wish, I wish I had my status at the time.

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They give me money, two months later they gave me my

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This is crazy, wasting your time, my time and

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taxpayers' time, and wasting money as well.

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Hamid does have leave to remain in the UK.

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The government was obviously in a very difficult situation with

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It locks somebody up for years and then

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releases them and pays them compensation because you have

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It must be one of the most inefficient corners of

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We need to have a much smarter way of deciding how we deal with those

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people who are failed asylum seekers or have criminal records who are due

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to be deported than we are at the moment.

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The whole system has just been reviewed, the review

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came up with a number of recommendations about how we better

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look after people in the detention centres.

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There are certain groups of

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people, people with mental health problems, at risk people, pregnant

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women, who just shouldn't be in these detention

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Do you feel happier that they have admitted that what they did was

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They admit what they are doing but if I

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said about my life, you know, my life will never be the same.

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Sometimes when people talk you think they just want to talk or destroy

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the name of the Home Office but what I saw was not good.

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I saw the way they were treating women, what I saw

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there, I saw a lady in my room, she was to be deported back to her

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Huge men came in that morning, who were sharing the same room.

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The way they took her, she was undressed,

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she just had her bra and

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pants, she was not even awake, they came at 4am

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Do you understand the need for detention in some cases?

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Detention is not, I mean it is not the best place to deal with asylum

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Somebody has come here for safety, some people have come here

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Get a good way to deal with asylum cases

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Does the government share your view on wanting to reform

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It commissioned the Shaw review, we had the ministers in front

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of the Home Office select committee and they admitted the government has

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a problem and they have to do something about it and I think

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the government knows it will have to do something about it.

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We did ask the Home Office to come on the programme to speak to us

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but they decided against it and gave us this statement instead.

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We'll be discussing this more at 10am with two people on opposing

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Gerard Batten, a Ukip MEP, and Chai Patel,

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from the Joint Council for the Welfare of Immigrants.

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Prince George, his dad, his grandad and his great

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grandmother posing for a set of postage stamps that will be

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released tomorrow to mark the Queen's 90th birthday.

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This is what the stamps will look like.

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The monarch, the next in line to the throne, Prince Charles,

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the next in line to the throne after that, Prince William,

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and the next in line to the throne after that,

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On the eve of the Queen's birthday, Prince William has been speaking

:25:50.:25:53.

to the BBC about his grandmother, about his interpretation of "royal

:25:54.:25:55.

duty" and recent criticisms that he's a "reluctant royal"

:25:56.:25:58.

and workshy, and about his own ambitions for the monarchy

:25:59.:26:00.

when he finally succeeds to the throne.

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Prince William was speaking to the BBC's royal correspondent.

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You're a future monarch, you've had a chance over

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more than 30 years now to observe our current

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What, from the very particular perspective that you have

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as a future king, what has impressed you most about her?

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I think the Queen's duty, and her service, her tolerance.

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I think that has been incredibly important to me so it's been a real,

:26:30.:26:39.

sort of, guiding example of what a good monarch can be.

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It's been incredibly insightful for me growing up

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watching her leadership in that role.

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You have referred already to her sense of duty,

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to the conspicuous devotion to duty that she has displayed

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To what extent would you say that you share that degree

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I think Royal duty is extremely important, I think it is part

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of the fabric of what the Royal family and any future monarch has.

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It is something that is very important and I take

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I take my responsibilities very seriously.

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But it's about finding your own way at the right time and if you are not

:27:26.:27:32.

careful duty can weigh you down an awful lot, at a very early age,

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and I think you have to develop into the duty role.

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You know why I am asking you this, it is because there is an impression

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in some quarters that you are in some way a slightly

:27:46.:27:48.

reluctant Royal, you will have seen or I am sure people will have told

:27:49.:27:51.

you about some of the stories, some of the headlines

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in recent weeks and months, work-shy

:27:54.:27:55.

William I think some of them have said.

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There has also been criticism of the Duchess in a similar vein.

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Do you regard that criticism, that impression, as being a fair one?

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I, to be honest I am going to get plenty of criticism over my lifetime

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and it's something that I don't completely ignore but it's not

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something I take completely to heart.

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I am concentrating very much on my role as a father,

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I am a new father and take my duties and my responsibilities to my family

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very seriously and I want to bring my children up as good people,

:28:27.:28:32.

with the idea of service and duty to others as very important.

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If I can't give my time to my children as well then I worry

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Plus serving the community with the air ambulance,

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I find that role very important to me.

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I would like to explore a little what kind of King will William V be?

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We have become used to the present Queen being scrupulously,

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pretty scrupulously, detached from all issues.

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Your father, on the other hand, as Prince of Wales of course,

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is very much involved in all sorts of issues and has indicated

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he would wish to convene when he becomes King,

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make heartfelt interventions I think was the phrase which has been

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used, what is your sense of what is acceptable

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How involved can a constitutional monarch be in current issues?

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It's something which occupies a lot of my thinking space as to how

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on earth you would develop into something modern in today's world.

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I am in a unique position and actually a very privileged

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position to be able to see some of this now, which is that I have

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got my grandmother who takes a very, if you like, more of a passive role

:29:52.:29:56.

in how she believes her role should be, she is above politics,

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And I have got my father who minds an awful lot about the many causes

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he is involved in and really digs down into his charitable areas

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But I think in the Queen I have an extraordinary example of somebody

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who has done an enormous amount of good and she is probably the best

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I sense you are saying that when the time comes you will hope

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to be a rather more modern monarch and bring something

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I think the Royal family has to modernise and develop as it goes

:30:28.:30:33.

along and it has to stay relevant, that is the challenge from me,

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how do I make the Royal family relevant in the next 20 years' time?

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It could be 40 years' time, it could be 60 years' time, I have

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no idea when that is going to be and I certainly don't lie awake

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waiting or hoping for it because it sadly means that my family have

:30:53.:30:55.

But you must be confident that you can do that,

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that you can make and keep the monarchy relevant

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Absolutely, I hope that is something I can do.

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It is something I think is very important and the Queen

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is a fantastic role model to lead that as she has done

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Let's have a word with the man who took the image.

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How are you? Very well, thanks, Victoria. How were you selected

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then? I think what happens, a shortlist is made up which goes

:31:34.:31:36.

before a panel and in this instance I was the lucky winner. Halfs the

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atmosphere like in that room when you have the monarch and the one

:31:43.:31:46.

next in line to the throne and the one next in line to the throne and

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the next in line to the throne? It was very upbeat. It was a very, very

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relaxed and light hearted shoot. Frankly, a lot easier than when I

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tried to take pictures of my own family! It went pretty well. How

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long did you have them for? I'm guessing you would have felt a

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little bit nervous, did you? Yeah, a few butterflies is always good, it

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keeps you on your toes, but I think we had them from when they arrived

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until leaving for half an hour. Right, OK. Not that long then and

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the foam blocks that Prince George is standing on, that's the image

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that's on websites everywhere. Now that's not what we see on the

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postage stamp, but in terms of putting on the foam blocks, did they

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have not have a really beautifully guilt, ornate, antique stool that he

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could have stood on? No, we scoured the palace, but nothing was the

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right size to put Prince George's head in the right spot because that

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was the one tricky part was all the heads had to be in a certain

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position in relation to each other, not too close, otherwise the stamps

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couldn't be made and the perforations put there, so we needed

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to raise him up to the right height so that was the only solution we

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found. No, fair enough. It is a really, I mean, it is a very, it is

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a warm photograph, isn't it? They look relaxed. Compared to the kind

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of photographs you normally take, how does this compare? Well, every

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shot is different. You are looking for a different story every time,

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but that's spot on Victoria. I wanted a warm family portrait full

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stop and I think we got it. In actual fact when we saw the image

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that you see there, the one we used come on to the screen, everybody who

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was there, just nodded and said that's it, we have it. That's the

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one. Yeah. Brilliant, thank you very much. Thank you for talking to us. I

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really appreciate your time. Thank you.

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On the programme tomorrow we'll talk to one of the Queen's lifelong

:33:49.:33:51.

friends, Lady Jane Rayne-Lacy, to find out what she's

:33:52.:33:53.

really like when she's out of the public eye,

:33:54.:33:56.

as well as hearing from people who have worked and lived

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Still to come, the latest unemployment figures

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We will be talking to the new Work and Pensions Secretary in half an

:34:04.:34:15.

hour. And straight after that we'll look

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at what those figures mean There've been warnings

:34:25.:34:26.

on both sides. Andy ver rit joins us to talk about

:34:27.:34:44.

the unemployment Figgs? Unemployment ticked up. It ticked up and then it

:34:45.:34:50.

went down. It is at a low rate, just 5.1% or around that mark and that's

:34:51.:34:54.

the lowest it has been for a while. But what's really significant here,

:34:55.:35:00.

Victoria, is the earnings data which shows that average earnings only

:35:01.:35:06.

grew by 1.8%, now that's disappointing to say the least and

:35:07.:35:09.

against what the Bank of England was projecting just a few months ago.

:35:10.:35:12.

They were expecting it to be the case that wage pressure would grow,

:35:13.:35:16.

people would go to their bosses and start saying, "Look, inflation is

:35:17.:35:18.

coming back a bit, can you please give me a pay rise, I'd like a pay

:35:19.:35:24.

rise and that would push up prices a little bit, which the Bank of

:35:25.:35:26.

England wants because we have less inflation at the moment than is

:35:27.:35:29.

healthy for a good prospering economy. Now what's happened instead

:35:30.:35:34.

is wages have sagged and they are not growing by anything like the

:35:35.:35:37.

amount you'd expect them to grow at this point in the economic cycle.

:35:38.:35:43.

What's supposed to happen according to the economic theory, there is a

:35:44.:35:48.

thing called the Phillips Curve, when unemployment gets low, wages

:35:49.:35:52.

should shoot up and people should take advantage of the tighter labour

:35:53.:35:59.

market. Employers can't say I will hire someone else if you want a pay

:36:00.:36:02.

rise. That's not happening at the moment. Why? It is very difficult...

:36:03.:36:07.

It is our fault for not going to our bosses and saying, "Can I have a

:36:08.:36:11.

wage rise?" Perhaps, but economists are something of a loss to explain

:36:12.:36:16.

this properly just like they are at a loss to explain why we're failing

:36:17.:36:21.

to pick up productivity. Now one explanation has been that employers

:36:22.:36:24.

and companies, if they want toks pand, if their business is doing

:36:25.:36:29.

well, what they have been able to do easily is hire one else cheaply, but

:36:30.:36:32.

that should be changing and certainly the next labour market

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statistics will be very interesting because at that point we will have

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some impact of the national Living Wage and what that has done to wages

:36:41.:36:44.

and these Figgs aren't really taking that into account much. Unemployment

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has gone up a bit again. I mean, what's the reason for that as far as

:36:49.:36:53.

we can work out at this early stage? The ONS bulletin doesn't break down

:36:54.:36:57.

the reasons in which I can give you a simple explanation yet, but we

:36:58.:37:00.

should be careful about the unemployment numbers because they

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wobble around a lot. The main point about unemployment is the labour

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market is quite tight, but we seem to be generating these jobs. This is

:37:08.:37:11.

an economy that's generated an astonishing number of jobs which

:37:12.:37:15.

exceeded all economists' expectations from a few years ago

:37:16.:37:18.

and we're still generating those jobs even if unemployment has ticked

:37:19.:37:21.

up. Thank you very much, Andy. Thank you.

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Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

:37:27.:37:29.

An investigation for this programme has found that more than ?4 million

:37:30.:37:32.

is being paid each year in compensation to people who have

:37:33.:37:34.

been held unlawfully in immigration detention centres.

:37:35.:37:36.

The centres hold people the Government is trying to deport,

:37:37.:37:38.

including failed asylum-seekers and foreign prisoners.

:37:39.:37:40.

The Home Office says detention is part of a "firm

:37:41.:37:43.

Prince William has rejected criticism of his commitment

:37:44.:37:52.

to his Royal duties, saying he's currently focusing

:37:53.:37:56.

on his role as a father and as an air ambulance pilot,

:37:57.:37:59.

but is willing to take on more responsibility when the time comes.

:38:00.:38:02.

In a BBC interview to mark the Queen's 90th birthday,

:38:03.:38:04.

he also talked about the "incredible insights" he's gained from her,

:38:05.:38:07.

and his own ambitions for the monarchy when he finally

:38:08.:38:09.

The boss of the Port Talbot steelworks is forming a management

:38:10.:38:15.

buy-out team to try to take over Tata's UK operation,

:38:16.:38:17.

It's believed the deal would involve steel-making continuing at Port

:38:18.:38:23.

Managers would ask employees to help finance the new company

:38:24.:38:33.

with their own money as well as looking for private

:38:34.:38:35.

A group of senior ex-US advisors has warned

:38:36.:38:38.

Eight former US Treasury Secretaries warned that leaving

:38:39.:38:47.

would be a "risky bet", saying it could threaten London's

:38:48.:38:50.

In an article published on the eve of President Obama's

:38:51.:38:53.

They said it would be difficult to trade outside the

:38:54.:38:57.

Leave campaigners have accused the group of "belittling Britain's

:38:58.:39:02.

The body of a British man who went missing

:39:03.:39:09.

in the Andes in Peru, has been found almost two weeks

:39:10.:39:12.

Harry Greaves had been visiting friends in Pisac,

:39:13.:39:15.

about 50 miles from Machu Picchu, when he left for a solo hike two

:39:16.:39:18.

His family have paid tribute to him and thanked people for their help

:39:19.:39:23.

Children from poorer backgrounds get better grades if they do

:39:24.:39:27.

after-school activities or go to sports clubs,

:39:28.:39:29.

The study of more than 6,000 primary school pupils by the Institute

:39:30.:39:33.

of Education found the gap in test performance between poorer

:39:34.:39:36.

and better-off children was nearly halved, in those that took part

:39:37.:39:38.

in two extra-curricular clubs a week.

:39:39.:39:45.

That's a summary of the latest BBC News.

:39:46.:39:46.

Newcastle fans are fuming this morning after their 1-1 draw

:39:47.:40:01.

with Manchester City missing the chance to move out of

:40:02.:40:04.

They feel they should have had all three points because Sergio

:40:05.:40:08.

Before Alexsander Kolarov takes the freekick, Aguero fails to get

:40:09.:40:11.

back onside before heading in for his 100th

:40:12.:40:13.

The qualifier Michael Holt has enjoyed the biggest win

:40:14.:40:17.

of his career, knocking out former champion Neil Robertson

:40:18.:40:20.

He's the fifth former winner to lose in the first round this year.

:40:21.:40:24.

Formula One boss Bernie Ecclestone has claimed that female drivers

:40:25.:40:26.

would not "physically be able to drive an F1 car quickly".

:40:27.:40:29.

The 85-year-old said last night that he doesn't think women would be

:40:30.:40:32.

"taken seriously" in the sport though he does believe more women

:40:33.:40:36.

will become F1 chief executives in the future.

:40:37.:40:41.

Have you decided yet whether you want Britain to leave

:40:42.:40:49.

You'll get the chance to vote on 23rd June and it's

:40:50.:40:53.

Both sides are arguing over things like immigration,

:40:54.:40:56.

Each week until you vote, we're asking our political guru

:40:57.:41:00.

Norman Smith to take a look at one of these big themes.

:41:01.:41:05.

This week given we've just heard the latest UK job figures -

:41:06.:41:08.

We'll be speaking with two guests from either side of the referendum

:41:09.:41:12.

Thanks, well jobs in my view is probably the most important

:41:13.:41:23.

four-letter word in politics because if you don't have a job then

:41:24.:41:26.

everything gets tricky, but here is the funny thing in this referendum

:41:27.:41:30.

campaign. Both sides are saying that jobs is a vote winning issue for

:41:31.:41:34.

them. So those who want us to stay in the EU say there will be more

:41:35.:41:38.

jobs if we stay and those who want us to leave says no there will be

:41:39.:41:41.

more jobs if we leave. What's the truth? Well, let's start off with

:41:42.:41:47.

the facts about unemployment in the European Union. Well, take a look at

:41:48.:41:53.

this. In Spain, unemployment is 20%. In Greece, it is worse, 24%. So

:41:54.:41:57.

imagine that nearly every fourth person you meet on the street is out

:41:58.:42:02.

of work. France, similar sort of economy to ours, but even there, 10%

:42:03.:42:09.

unemployment, but look at us, 5%. Now, remain campaigners say that

:42:10.:42:13.

shows how we can prosper on the jobs front in the EU. They say the EU is

:42:14.:42:18.

critical to boosting our job prospects. Why? Well, first off,

:42:19.:42:24.

three million jobs in Britain are linked to the EU. So the argument

:42:25.:42:28.

goes if we leave, maybe, maybe some of those jobs might be at risk.

:42:29.:42:32.

Secondly, workers rights, lots of the sort of jobs we have, the sort

:42:33.:42:36.

of conditions we enjoy are better because we're part of the EU because

:42:37.:42:41.

it guarantees things like holiday pay and sick pay. And lastly,

:42:42.:42:45.

foreign investment, the argument goes big companies like BMW or

:42:46.:42:51.

Nissan, why do they come to bloigty? They come to Blighty because we are

:42:52.:42:55.

part of the EU. The remain side say if we left the EU and we are no

:42:56.:42:58.

longer part of the single market that would have a devastating effect

:42:59.:43:03.

on jobs. Have a listen to Labour's Yvette Cooper.

:43:04.:43:07.

The Leave campaign said this means being outside the single market.

:43:08.:43:11.

Well, that means a risk of tariffs. It means that our services would not

:43:12.:43:16.

be included and that is a real threat to jobs, to investment, and

:43:17.:43:21.

to trade and they're just hoping it is all somehow going to be all right

:43:22.:43:25.

and crossing their fingers when it will be people's jobs and

:43:26.:43:31.

livelihoods at risk. What do the Brexiters say? They say that's

:43:32.:43:35.

nonsense, there will be more jobs. We will be liberated if we get out

:43:36.:43:40.

of the EU. First off, trade deals, we will be able to negotiate our

:43:41.:43:45.

trade deals with big emerging countries like China and yand, we

:43:46.:43:49.

won't have to wait for the EU to get its act together. Secondly,

:43:50.:43:55.

immigration kerbs, we can control who is coming in to do jobs in

:43:56.:43:59.

Britain so we can make sure our plastering and plumbing jobs aren't

:44:00.:44:04.

hovered up by other folk. Lastly, red tape, the burden of regulation

:44:05.:44:08.

from the EU. It is estimated it costs British business ?600 million

:44:09.:44:12.

a week, we can get rid of that, therefore, business in Britain will

:44:13.:44:16.

be free to create more jobs and yesterday, Michael Gove, in the big

:44:17.:44:21.

Brexit speech, said, "Look f we leave, we can pick and choose what

:44:22.:44:26.

kind of workers come to Britain." We have to impose stricter

:44:27.:44:30.

limitations on individuals from other nations whom we might actively

:44:31.:44:35.

want to welcome. Whether it is family members from Commonwealth

:44:36.:44:40.

countries, the top doctors and scientists or the technicians who

:44:41.:44:43.

could power growth. We have to put them at the back of queue behind

:44:44.:44:47.

anyone who is granted citizenship by any other EU country.

:44:48.:44:53.

If you ask most people what was the most iconic political advert in

:44:54.:44:57.

recent history? I suspect most people would harp back to the very,

:44:58.:45:02.

very famous advert in 1979 which got Mrs T into power which was all about

:45:03.:45:07.

jobs. It was a picture of a whole load of people lining up outside a

:45:08.:45:14.

Jobcentre and underneath was the slogan, "Labour isn't working." It

:45:15.:45:18.

tells us how critical jobs is an issue in elections and also, I

:45:19.:45:20.

suspect in this referendum. Well, the unemployment

:45:21.:45:28.

figures are just out. Let's speak now to Stephen Crabb,

:45:29.:45:33.

the new Work and Pensions Secretary. Why do you think unemployment is up?

:45:34.:45:47.

This is one month's set of data and you should never read too much into

:45:48.:45:54.

one individual month's set of data. What is important is the underlying

:45:55.:45:59.

trend and today's data shows that the trends are positive. The overall

:46:00.:46:03.

implement rate, people going out to work every day, at record high

:46:04.:46:08.

levels which is very good. Could it be down to anxieties about Britain

:46:09.:46:13.

possibly leaving the European Union? It has been a difficult four months

:46:14.:46:17.

in terms of international finance markets, the most turbulent start

:46:18.:46:25.

for many decades. There are big questions hanging over the British

:46:26.:46:30.

economy because of the question about our status within the European

:46:31.:46:34.

Union. You are saying there is a link between these figures and

:46:35.:46:38.

worries, uncertainty about leaving the European Union? Yes. That is not

:46:39.:46:45.

just a personal opinion. Mark Carney, the governor of the Bank of

:46:46.:46:50.

England, has also said the questions are having a real terms impact on

:46:51.:46:56.

the British economy, impacting on sterling exchange rates and

:46:57.:46:59.

investment decisions. There will be companies today looking at major

:47:00.:47:04.

investments in the UK who are hanging back and considering whether

:47:05.:47:09.

that is the right thing to do. I am not saying the 21,000 increase is a

:47:10.:47:15.

direct result of that but it is an example of the types of questions

:47:16.:47:22.

those people who who said Britain should leave have to explain why

:47:23.:47:25.

their vision makes the picture better. And in France's job

:47:26.:47:31.

opportunities. This is your government's fault. Uncertainty over

:47:32.:47:38.

the run-up to the referendum. That is why you are seeing unemployment

:47:39.:47:43.

is going up. We have had the argument about whether it is the

:47:44.:47:47.

right thing to have a referendum. Very few people do not think it is

:47:48.:47:51.

the right thing to do. You have to be almost 60 years old to have had

:47:52.:47:56.

the last opportunity to have participated in a referendum on

:47:57.:48:03.

Britain's membership in the EU. I did not have a is to vote and many

:48:04.:48:08.

other people did not either. It is right we have responded. We have

:48:09.:48:13.

promised to have a referendum. A lot of people did not believe us and we

:48:14.:48:17.

are following through on the commitment to have a referendum. We

:48:18.:48:22.

are outlining what it means for British families. If Britain votes

:48:23.:48:27.

to remain in the European Union how will that affect jobs? It is good we

:48:28.:48:32.

are part of a trading block of 500 million consumers. How will it

:48:33.:48:39.

affect jobs? We are the most open economy in Europe and jobs have been

:48:40.:48:44.

increasing as a result. We benefit from our international trading.

:48:45.:48:52.

Creating factories and new plant and investment in the UK. That

:48:53.:48:57.

translates into real jobs. Looking at where the investment is going

:48:58.:49:01.

very often it is going into industrial communities which badly

:49:02.:49:05.

need those new jobs and that is why if we came out of the European Union

:49:06.:49:09.

and work outside of the single market it would be much more

:49:10.:49:12.

difficult for manufacturers which would make it difficult for

:49:13.:49:20.

construction. The Employment Minister would usually talk about

:49:21.:49:25.

the figures. She wants Britain to leave the EU. As she been sidelined?

:49:26.:49:34.

Not at all. She is very busy today. I thought it would be good to front

:49:35.:49:47.

up and respond myself. Thank you. We are going to focus on the jobs

:49:48.:49:48.

market. Let's talk now to the former

:49:49.:49:58.

Director General of the British He resigned after he was suspended

:49:59.:50:01.

for saying the UK's long-term prospects could be "brighter"

:50:02.:50:05.

outside the EU. He is now Chairman of

:50:06.:50:06.

the Vote Leave Business Council. And CEO of the lingerie and sex

:50:07.:50:09.

shop chain Ann Summers. Jacqueline Gold, who thinks Britain

:50:10.:50:11.

is better off remaining in the EU. There are over 140 Ann Summers

:50:12.:50:14.

shops, and the company employs Why leave? Because Britain will take

:50:15.:50:28.

back control of its economy and be able to grow the economy faster. How

:50:29.:50:36.

do you know? It is of the us. How do you know the economy will grow

:50:37.:50:46.

faster? Explain. We will be able to expatriates the money we will be

:50:47.:50:52.

able to play in the EU each week, ?350 million, which can be invested

:50:53.:50:55.

in infrastructure and public services. We will be able to make

:50:56.:51:02.

trade deals and do trade. We will be able to rebalance the jobs market in

:51:03.:51:07.

the UK because the current arrangement with Europe distorts the

:51:08.:51:12.

UK economy. We have the worst of all worlds, and Mike unlimited supply of

:51:13.:51:16.

cheap labour from the European Union which has a downward pressure on

:51:17.:51:21.

wages and produces a low-wage low skill more productivity economy, no

:51:22.:51:28.

incentive for employers to invest in skills or productivity. We want a

:51:29.:51:31.

high skill high productivity high wage economy. Business in the UK has

:51:32.:51:41.

massive skills shortages. Engineers, IT people. Those skills are outside

:51:42.:51:46.

of the European Union but we are unable to bring the men. The

:51:47.:51:53.

Australians told me they had 2500 work visas granted last year and

:51:54.:51:58.

gross immigration into the UK was 680,000. That cannot be right. That

:51:59.:52:04.

is how we will grow our economy faster by being outside the European

:52:05.:52:12.

Union. ?350 million a week, it is about ?160 million when you take

:52:13.:52:15.

into account what we get back. Not quite. It is ?20 billion a year

:52:16.:52:24.

which we get back about ?10 billion in rebate which will disappear in

:52:25.:52:28.

2020 and in support for regions and agriculture. A majority of members

:52:29.:52:39.

of the CBI, your old organisation, the Institute of Directors, the

:52:40.:52:42.

Federation of Small Businesses, the car industry and so on says staying

:52:43.:52:48.

in is the best thing for jobs. They do not. They do. They do not. They

:52:49.:53:01.

do. The Federation of Small Businesses have not taken a

:53:02.:53:09.

position. It was 50-50. The other organisations represent only one

:53:10.:53:14.

fifth of UK businesses. If you analyse the figures carefully you

:53:15.:53:16.

would find that if you look at who makes up the majority of our economy

:53:17.:53:21.

business is split down the middle. Why stay? You run a huge business

:53:22.:53:28.

employing 10,000 people. It is good for business, for the economy,

:53:29.:53:34.

growth, jobs. When you look at the economy at the moment, the strongest

:53:35.:53:39.

it has been for two years, I cannot understand why you would want to

:53:40.:53:46.

jeopardise that, why you would not allow the economy to grow. It could

:53:47.:53:54.

grow faster and further says John Longworth because your business will

:53:55.:53:59.

be unshackled from European regulations and directives that

:54:00.:54:02.

potentially hinder prosperity. We do not know that it will continue to

:54:03.:54:07.

grow. That is where my doubts are. The one thing I do not think he can

:54:08.:54:16.

tell us is whether businesses will be impacted negatively by exiting.

:54:17.:54:23.

What about the economy? There is no guarantee. That is a great concern.

:54:24.:54:33.

If you look at that question there is uncertainty on both sides. In a

:54:34.:54:38.

very uncertain world, in the world we live in, we have 2.4 times debt

:54:39.:54:45.

in the world against GDP, a very dangerous and uncertain thing. There

:54:46.:54:54.

is uncertainty on both sides. If we stay we can be certain that the

:54:55.:54:58.

eurozone will make all the decisions and we will have to comply with

:54:59.:55:02.

them. We will continue to PN but will have no say. All of the things

:55:03.:55:08.

the Prime Minister says will happen to us if we believe will happen if

:55:09.:55:13.

we stay. If we leave we can react to those uncertainties in the world.

:55:14.:55:18.

Even if we leave you will still have to meet those regulations and rules.

:55:19.:55:23.

You cannot expect that you're not going to have to obey those rules.

:55:24.:55:28.

Surely having a place round the table... Britain leads challenging

:55:29.:55:36.

those regulations. Why would you not want to have that plays at the

:55:37.:55:43.

table? You are right in the sense that I have spent 30 years

:55:44.:55:47.

challenging the Brussels regulations but it has been futile because it is

:55:48.:55:52.

a political project. They do not want to hear that. I many jobs will

:55:53.:55:57.

be lost if Britain leads the European Union? We will gain jobs.

:55:58.:56:05.

No jobs will be lost? Not as a consequence. On the contrary I think

:56:06.:56:11.

the economy will grow faster. You do not know that. The day we leave in

:56:12.:56:17.

the month and the year after we leave nothing will change. The

:56:18.:56:21.

process of change will be in our hands. You are already experiencing

:56:22.:56:27.

a drop in consumer confidence because of this period of

:56:28.:56:31.

uncertainty. That is not going to improve. That will continue to

:56:32.:56:39.

deteriorate if we exit. There is the economy to consider and how that

:56:40.:56:42.

will affect jobs and from a business perspective myself a lack of

:56:43.:56:47.

opportunity for growth, which is a release severe concern, I think if

:56:48.:56:54.

we leave it will be going backwards. There is a suspicion amongst some

:56:55.:56:59.

bad big firms like yours and others want to stay because EU membership

:57:00.:57:03.

with free movement of people and workers allowed you to keep wages

:57:04.:57:09.

low. If I take my warehouses an example it is true that two thirds

:57:10.:57:14.

of my warehouse have our European. They are paid the same as our

:57:15.:57:17.

British workers and it is nothing to do with wages. We are based on the

:57:18.:57:24.

edge of London and not all British people want to take on lower skilled

:57:25.:57:29.

jobs and work those unsociable hours that you have to have in retail,

:57:30.:57:35.

whereas Europeans come in and are very receptive to being adapted to

:57:36.:57:40.

those working hours. To take that pool of talent away from me would

:57:41.:57:47.

seriously jeopardise my business. The European Union has been a

:57:48.:57:50.

disaster for working people in the UK. At this point in the economic

:57:51.:57:56.

cycle there should be natural rise in wages in the and it is not

:57:57.:58:00.

happening therefore we end up with perverse government policies like

:58:01.:58:05.

the minimum wage and in work tax credits, things that the government

:58:06.:58:08.

are doing because they cannot tackle the root cause which is an unlimited

:58:09.:58:13.

supply of cheap labour from the European Union. She has said of the

:58:14.:58:20.

free movement of people as effective it is going to be a disaster for

:58:21.:58:26.

your business. Yes. That will actually not happen. We will adopt

:58:27.:58:33.

the system that perfectly civilised countries like Australia, Canada and

:58:34.:58:39.

New Zealand have, which is a points system based on economic need, so we

:58:40.:58:46.

can get the people we need and not have excess. The EU are not our

:58:47.:58:53.

enemy, they are our friends. Talking about employment and women's rights

:58:54.:58:56.

and what the EU have done for women in the sense that they have

:58:57.:59:01.

prohibited discrimination, made it impossible to sack somebody who is

:59:02.:59:09.

pregnant, extended maternity pay for 14 weeks. This was not led by a

:59:10.:59:14.

British led initiative, this was EU membership. No doubt we will keep

:59:15.:59:19.

all of those things. You do not know. We do. We have said we will.

:59:20.:59:28.

That has prevented people working overtime and destroyed the trucking

:59:29.:59:33.

industry because drivers cannot afford to compete against foreign

:59:34.:59:38.

truckers. It has prevented the government having zero rating. If

:59:39.:59:46.

you were making a business decision you would not say, this looks like a

:59:47.:59:50.

good idea, we do not know how it is going to work out but we will go

:59:51.:59:54.

with it. You would not jeopardise your business so why would you

:59:55.:59:58.

jeopardise the country? That is the ultimate gamble. If we stay in we

:59:59.:00:02.

will jeopardise the country. It is time for the weather. Here is

:00:03.:00:19.

Carol. If you have a bit of a cold today it might be because pollen

:00:20.:00:24.

levels are high. For the rest of us outside England and Wales they are

:00:25.:00:29.

low. We are looking at wall to wall blue skies across the board. Patchy

:00:30.:00:34.

cloud in the South East and across the south-west. We have bigger cloud

:00:35.:00:39.

in northern Scotland producing showers but for most it will be a

:00:40.:00:44.

beautiful day. When the over the south coast. Sea breezes from the

:00:45.:00:48.

north coast. It will feel a bit cooler on the coast. Top

:00:49.:00:58.

temperatures 16 degrees. As we had to the evening and overnight there

:00:59.:01:02.

will be some clearance in the sky allowing some frost in the

:01:03.:01:07.

countryside. Patchy mist and fraud and still be thicker cloud in the

:01:08.:01:10.

North with showers and bigger crowd pushing him across the far

:01:11.:01:14.

south-west. As we head into tomorrow, that is the scenario we

:01:15.:01:19.

start with. Bigger cloud in the south-west bringing in light rain.

:01:20.:01:23.

Club will build in the southern half of England and Wales turning the

:01:24.:01:29.

sunshine QC. Not as sunny as today we are back in a sunny skies once

:01:30.:01:35.

again. Temperatures between 13 and 15, possibly 16. It will turn colder

:01:36.:01:36.

it the weekend. Hello, I'm Victoria Derbyshire,

:01:37.:01:42.

welcome to the programme if you've just joined us,

:01:43.:01:44.

coming up before 11? ?18 million compensation over four

:01:45.:01:46.

years, that's what the government has paid out to failed asylum

:01:47.:01:49.

seekers and foreign criminals We asked one detainee who received

:01:50.:01:51.

33 grand how he spent the money. I twisted it on drugs and gambling

:01:52.:02:09.

because they don't open the account. They said we could open an account

:02:10.:02:11.

for you. Violent crime has been dropping

:02:12.:02:14.

for years but the trend seems And there's been a rise in the

:02:15.:02:17.

number of attacks on the over 50s. We'll look at why this could be

:02:18.:02:21.

happening and talk to two Treated as a nuisance by the police,

:02:22.:02:31.

Lily Allen criticises the Met for her case's handling. We hear from

:02:32.:02:33.

two women who were stocked. An investigation for this programme

:02:34.:02:40.

has found that more than ?4 million is being paid each year

:02:41.:02:53.

in compensation to people who have been held unlawfully

:02:54.:02:55.

in immigration detention centres. The centres hold people

:02:56.:02:57.

the government is trying to deport, including failed asylum-seekers

:02:58.:03:03.

and foreign prisoners. The Home Office says

:03:04.:03:04.

detention is part of a 'firm Prince William has rejected

:03:05.:03:07.

criticism of his commitment to his royal duties,

:03:08.:03:12.

saying he's currently focusing on his role as a father

:03:13.:03:14.

and as an air ambulance pilot - but is willing to take on more

:03:15.:03:17.

responsibility when the time comes. In a BBC interview to mark

:03:18.:03:20.

the Queen's 90th birthday, he also talked about the "incredible

:03:21.:03:22.

insights" he's gained from her and his own ambitions

:03:23.:03:25.

for the monarchy when he finally The number of people out of work has

:03:26.:03:28.

gone up for the first time UK unemployment rose

:03:29.:03:35.

by 21,000 to 1.7 million A group of senior ex-US

:03:36.:03:38.

advisors has warned Eight former US Treasury Secretaries

:03:39.:03:57.

warned that leaving would be a 'risky bet', saying it

:03:58.:04:01.

could threaten London's pre-eminence In an article published

:04:02.:04:03.

on the eve of President Obama's visit to London -

:04:04.:04:06.

they said it would be difficult to trade outside

:04:07.:04:09.

the single European zone. Leave campaigners accused the group

:04:10.:04:11.

of "belittling Britain's Presidential hopefuls Donald Trump

:04:12.:04:13.

and Hillary Clinton have scored big wins in New York,

:04:14.:04:18.

in the contest to choose the It's not yet known if Mr Trump has

:04:19.:04:21.

secured a clean sweep of all Republican delegates at stake

:04:22.:04:25.

by earning the majority of votes. Victory for Mrs Clinton ends a run

:04:26.:04:28.

of recent defeats against her Children from poorer backgrounds get

:04:29.:04:30.

better grades if they do after-school activities or go

:04:31.:04:37.

to sports clubs, The study of more than 6,000 primary

:04:38.:04:39.

school pupils by the Institute of Education found the gap in test

:04:40.:04:45.

performance between poorer and better-off children was nearly

:04:46.:04:51.

halved, in those that took part in The singer, Lily Allen,

:04:52.:04:54.

has been telling BBC Newsnight about the night a stalker broke

:04:55.:05:00.

into her house. Alex Gray was convicted this month,

:05:01.:05:02.

but the singer now says she thinks the police dealing with the case

:05:03.:05:05.

'victim-shamed' her after she spoke Something's really wrong

:05:06.:05:08.

with this guy, and, uhm, and I feel like he's been let down,

:05:09.:05:19.

I've been let down, and how many That's a summary of the latest BBC

:05:20.:05:23.

News, more at 10.30am. Let's have some sport now and go

:05:24.:05:36.

over to Chris Mitchell at the Crucible Theatre in Sheffield

:05:37.:05:39.

where he's getting a backstage look Hello. We are giving you a little

:05:40.:05:57.

bit of an insight today. We are in the inner sanctum at the Crucible in

:05:58.:06:02.

Sheffield. This is where the top players come to practice ahead of

:06:03.:06:06.

their big matches. We just had the top Chinese player practising on

:06:07.:06:12.

this table. These tables are like the ones just a few metres away on

:06:13.:06:17.

the Crucible floor where they are playing for around half $1 million.

:06:18.:06:25.

Who will win? Yet again we have had another former world champion

:06:26.:06:30.

knocked out. The Robertson has gone, beaten by Michael Holt, the

:06:31.:06:34.

surprises keep coming. The running of the red carpet to Ronnie

:06:35.:06:38.

O'Sullivan who begins his second round match in a few days. That may

:06:39.:06:43.

give you a little look at this room. It is quite big. We have the baby

:06:44.:06:48.

seat sport cameras providing live and continuous coverage throughout

:06:49.:06:53.

the three weeks here in Sheffield. What is this game all about? We all

:06:54.:06:58.

know about snooker, we know about Stephen Hendry, all the big names of

:06:59.:07:05.

the game, but it has turned rather global in recent years. It is not

:07:06.:07:09.

just the English playing snooker, it is the whole world and it is a sport

:07:10.:07:20.

that came from humble beginnings. This body gets back to the English

:07:21.:07:25.

game of billiards. It was a particular gentleman, popular with

:07:26.:07:29.

royalty. By the late 19th century, British Armed Forces in India

:07:30.:07:33.

adapted the game but adding coloured balls, snooker was born. The first

:07:34.:07:39.

official said crews were drafted in 1882. The group grew in popularity

:07:40.:07:44.

in England, though it was still they came for the gentry. In 1927, a

:07:45.:07:48.

chubby chip tournament was organised. The standard wasn't quite

:07:49.:07:57.

what we used to today. The highest was just 60. In the 1930s and 40s,

:07:58.:08:00.

snooker was dominated by Jill Davis. He won the first 15 World

:08:01.:08:06.

Championships. The big turning point for the sport was television. In the

:08:07.:08:13.

late 1960s, the BBC ordered to show the latest colour TV technology and

:08:14.:08:18.

snooker was the perfect vehicle. It wasn't long before the World

:08:19.:08:23.

Championship was televised. In Britain, future TV audiences tune in

:08:24.:08:30.

as players like Alex Higgins and Dennis Taylor became household

:08:31.:08:34.

names. Despite that famous defeat, Steve Davis dominated the sport in

:08:35.:08:38.

the 1980s. A decade later, Stephen Hendry ruled the world as interest

:08:39.:08:46.

spread outside the UK. Fast forward 20 years and you have a sport which

:08:47.:08:51.

is truly global. Snooker has an audience of 500 million as players

:08:52.:08:55.

from around the world compete for the biggest prize in the sport. Yes,

:08:56.:09:06.

snooker is truly global and to give you an impression of that, and

:09:07.:09:11.

illustration, three Chinese players are in action today here in

:09:12.:09:14.

Sheffield. Perhaps the biggest game of the day, Judd Trump, one of the

:09:15.:09:21.

most popular players, against Liang Wenbo. Look how close we are. Look

:09:22.:09:27.

at the access we have. It lot of people don't realise when you watch

:09:28.:09:33.

on TV how big these tables are. That work along. Let's see how big it is

:09:34.:09:40.

and how difficult it is to get these big balls into these small pockets.

:09:41.:09:48.

We have players coming in now they want to be world champion, coming

:09:49.:09:53.

in, getting ready for the big game this afternoon and that big game is

:09:54.:10:00.

Judd Trump, Liang Wenbo. It is all on BBC News, the BBC website. Have a

:10:01.:10:06.

look and I will practice my game. I don't have a cute though. Set the

:10:07.:10:15.

pulse. I will play with my hand. He is enjoying himself way too much.

:10:16.:10:17.

Why doesn't he just get a cute? Thousands of people are being held

:10:18.:10:22.

in immigration detention centres across the UK waiting to be

:10:23.:10:25.

deported, some are asylum seekers who've had their applications

:10:26.:10:28.

to stay in the country refused; others are foreign criminals who've

:10:29.:10:30.

been released from prison and who are also waiting to be sent

:10:31.:10:34.

back to their country of origin. Most pass through these centres

:10:35.:10:38.

in months, but others can be An investigation by this programme

:10:39.:10:41.

has found that the government paid out ?18 million in compensation

:10:42.:10:45.

in four years to people who were kept in these

:10:46.:10:48.

centres unlawfully. The biggest individual payout

:10:49.:10:52.

between 2012 and 2015 was ?155,000. So is the system of removing people

:10:53.:10:59.

from the UK broken? We'll talk about this more

:11:00.:11:05.

in a moment with the Joint Council for the Welfare of Immigrants

:11:06.:11:08.

and a UKIP Member of First, here's a clip

:11:09.:11:10.

from Catrin Nye's exclusive report. Ahmed is a Christian and came to the

:11:11.:11:24.

UK 17 years ago seeking asylum from Iran. His claim field, he developed

:11:25.:11:29.

a drug problem and ended up in prison for stabbing a man. The

:11:30.:11:33.

security guard was challenging me over shoplifting. I stabbed him. I

:11:34.:11:42.

stabbed him. After prison, Ahmed was sent to detention for deportation.

:11:43.:11:45.

Immigration detention centres are holding centres for different

:11:46.:11:49.

categories of people the government wants to deport. Iran wouldn't

:11:50.:11:54.

accept Ahmed back. He doesn't have a passport and the UK Government

:11:55.:11:57.

doesn't have documentation to prove he's uranium. Three and a half years

:11:58.:12:04.

detention. They cannot deport an Iranian guy without an Iranian

:12:05.:12:12.

passport. Ahmed was awarded ?33,000 compensation for unlawful detention

:12:13.:12:15.

and he is one of many. The government has paid out millions in

:12:16.:12:18.

compensation to those it should not have held in immigration detention.

:12:19.:12:23.

A total of more than ?18 million over four years. The UK is the only

:12:24.:12:30.

country in Europe that has no time limit to detention. Immigration

:12:31.:12:34.

detention is lawful in certain circumstances where the Home Office

:12:35.:12:37.

is attempting to deport someone and there is a reasonable prospect of

:12:38.:12:41.

that taking place, but we are seeing people detained for months, often

:12:42.:12:46.

years, long after it becomes apparent that there is no prospect

:12:47.:12:53.

of their deportation taking place. Between 2012 and 2015 the Home

:12:54.:12:58.

Office has had to hand over up to ?155,000 to individuals wrongfully

:12:59.:13:03.

detained. 32,000 people went through these centres last year. 60% then

:13:04.:13:07.

went back into the community in the United Kingdom. There aren't many

:13:08.:13:12.

stories at work on everyone agrees the system is an absolute failure.

:13:13.:13:18.

Whether the whole system is a failure, I do not know, but this

:13:19.:13:23.

part that is not working nearly well enough. Many taxpayers would be

:13:24.:13:28.

greatly annoyed and offended that their money is going to look after

:13:29.:13:33.

some of these people who should not be in these detention centres but we

:13:34.:13:37.

are paying out compensation because the courts have deemed they have

:13:38.:13:42.

been detained wrongly as well. Ahmed did not have a home for a right to

:13:43.:13:47.

stay in the UK and he blew it all. He now does have the right to stay.

:13:48.:13:53.

This is crazy. Wasting your time and my time and taxpayer money. It is

:13:54.:13:56.

all waste, waste, waste. We did ask the Home Office to come

:13:57.:14:02.

on the programme to speak to us but they decided against it and gave

:14:03.:14:05.

us this statement instead: Decisions to detain individuals

:14:06.:14:08.

are reviewed regularly to ensure they remain justified and reasonable

:14:09.:14:10.

and, if necessary, they can be We are committed to treating

:14:11.:14:13.

all detainees with dignity and respect and take the welfare

:14:14.:14:16.

of detainees very seriously. Here to talk about this

:14:17.:14:19.

is Chai Patel from the Joint Council for the Welfare of Immigrants

:14:20.:14:22.

who works with those who end up in detention centres,

:14:23.:14:25.

and Gerrard Batten the UKIP MEP for London and a former UKIP

:14:26.:14:27.

spokesman on immigration. Welcome those of you. What should

:14:28.:14:40.

Britain do with a man who cannot be returned to Iran because Iran won't

:14:41.:14:46.

have him and he has no passport? You are talking about specific cases

:14:47.:14:48.

where there might be difficulty that we have a broken and dysfunctional

:14:49.:14:53.

asylum system. The last time I saw figures there were a couple of

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hundred thousand cases backed up and waiting to be dealt with. If we

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could deal with the everyday cases more speedily and deport people more

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quickly we would have more time to spend on the difficult cases. Employ

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more efficient to go through the cases?

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We have open borders. We are not deporting people speedily who have

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no legal right to be here. We need new legislation that allows us to

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deport vias abuse of cases quickly, abusing our system I mean. We do not

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control it. We have no border controls with the EU but the rest of

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the world does not have much trouble getting in either. Everybody has to

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show a passport. Yes, but we do not just of uncontrolled immigration

:15:46.:15:50.

from the EU. This is not about immigration. It is about a silent

:15:51.:15:55.

seekers. It is not just the phylum see is. The people who have received

:15:56.:16:08.

compensation are asylum seekers waiting to be deported or foreign

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prisoners. I do not see why it is so difficult to deport these people. We

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should apply some diplomatic muscle and apply sanctions to those

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countries, hitting them where it hurts. Iran is the example. That is

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a particularly bad example of the country. I am sure there are other

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countries we can apply pressure to. If they are detained illegally to

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you agree they should be paid compensation? No. You do not agree

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they should be paid compensation if they are detained illegally. What

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rights do they have? If they are here illegally they do not have a

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legal right to be here therefore it is reasonable to detain them for a

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period of time and depending on the case... I do not agree we should be

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detaining people for three years. They should not be funded by the

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taxpayer. It is tens of thousands of pounds. How do you fix this system?

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What is the answer? It is important to note that people who claim

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asylum, anybody has the right to claim asylum and if they are not

:17:31.:17:34.

granted asylum they can be removed but that does not mean they are here

:17:35.:17:40.

illegally, it means they came here and claimed a legal right and it was

:17:41.:17:45.

decided they are not refugees and we are not going to grant them asylum

:17:46.:17:50.

and they can be removed. When you detain someone the Home Office is

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only meant to do that when they are about to be removed and it is meant

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to be used sparingly and what we are seeing in the current detention

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system is that the Home Office is massively using that system and

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detaining more people than it should. Why? It is a combination of

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errors. A huge amount of pressure to be seen to be doing things about

:18:15.:18:19.

people. Home Office caseworkers, the people who make the decisions to

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detain, are often not clear on their obligations under the rules and do

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not looked cases properly and often do not consider relevant evidence. A

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lot of mistakes are made putting people into detention, a lot of it

:18:35.:18:37.

is done for administrative convenience. People watching our

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cross about the amounts being paid in compensation. Janet says ?33,000,

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what a waste of money for nothing. Some people work for years to earn

:18:51.:18:55.

that. Chris says, are we supposed to feel sorry for the man in your

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report? He is an army deserter. Even his own country does not want him

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and who can blame them? Does it need more officials, more in admin? Is it

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about locking fewer people up? What if they disappear? The commonly

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agreed solution amongst most people who are not the government is that

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we should be locking far fewer people up. We use detention far more

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than other countries and have a different detention system in most

:19:30.:19:36.

countries. We are one of the few countries voted time-limit for

:19:37.:19:42.

detention. Recent cross Parliamentary inquiry into the use

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of detention in the UK came up with the number of recommendations on how

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to do this better than one of them is to have a 28 day time-limit for

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detention and the other is to engage more with detainees. Other countries

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that have much better rates of removal, if you want to speed up the

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process and make it work better you have to make it a fair process

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because people are more likely to engage if they feel they are being

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treated fairly. Thank you. Still to come: What are you meant

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to do if you get caught Well, this video will be shown

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to one million Brits who work in busy places like shopping

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centres, to try to teach them Paul Gascoigne has been talking

:20:23.:20:25.

about his alcoholism. On ITV's Good Morning Britain,

:20:26.:20:48.

the former England footballer Paul Gascoigne says he had been

:20:49.:20:50.

sober for months and the incident Over the years, he has been in rehab

:20:51.:20:53.

seven times, but this morning said only three of them

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were for alcohol addiction. Mentioned there so

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many times in rehab. People forget I have been

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there for Red Bull, Calpol, other I have only been in rehab really

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seriously three times When was the last time

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you were in rehab? That was when I passed

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away apparently. Some people get it quite

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early and get this In Bournemouth where

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I live there are a lot of people who have had this addiction

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who are allowed to get on with it. I am not allowed to get

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on with my illness. I am being followed all

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I did you for my Life Stories show about four years ago.

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You have been through a hell of a lot then.

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You have been through a

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Looking at you now, you look in good nick.

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It is amazing what a bit of Botox can do

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Now, after the last one I said to someone, I am glad the

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papers did not get hold of it, and then they sent us a photo.

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Sometimes it helps us because when I am

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actually in it I do not realise how bad I actually am.

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When you saw that image, and it was a horrible image,

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you had cut your face, when you look at that

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picture, and the viewers are

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looking at it, what does that tell you?

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When you wake up and you realise what has happened, what goes

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I have to look back and think, where does it all

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Maybe I relapsed two weeks before I actually did so I have

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I leave the apartment where I am staying and

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the workmen will say, be careful, there

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are two guys waiting in the

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There is nothing worse when you are trying to relax

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I was three years sober there and I felt

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If I pop in and the press follows us they say I am going back

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When was the last time you had a drink? About a month ago I had a two

:22:50.:23:02.

deep lip. That was just momentary? You say you last had a drink 11

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months ago. When was that photograph taken? Three weeks ago you had a

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drink. Yes. If you were violently attacked,

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you'd go to A for treatment for your injuries and an annual

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survey of people treated in accident and emergency departments in England

:23:22.:23:24.

and Wales suggests the long-term decline in violence

:23:25.:23:27.

has come to an end. That's according to figures

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from Cardiff University. More women and girls,

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and those 50 and older, are being admitted to A

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in the last year due We're going to talk now to two

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people who were violently assaulted and treated in A afterwards,

:23:36.:23:40.

and two medical professionals who work in hospitals

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helping such patients. Paul Kohler, Head of School of Law

:23:43.:23:47.

at SOAS University of London, was attacked by burglars at his home

:23:48.:23:50.

in South London two years ago. Kate Bolsover says she was raped

:23:51.:23:53.

by her ex partner and had to go She's waived her right to anonymity

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to talk to us today. Dr Khaled Siriva and Dr

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Hamed Khan are also here. Tell our audience what happened when

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you answered the door a couple of years ago. It was a summer evening

:24:14.:24:18.

and four guys rushed through the door and started beating me up. I

:24:19.:24:25.

ended up with a fractured eye socket, multiple bruising, broken

:24:26.:24:29.

nose, needed a blood transfusion. Did they say anything? Yes, where is

:24:30.:24:40.

the money? How did you react? There was not any money. I am an academic

:24:41.:24:46.

for goodness sake. In terms of the injuries and the time it took to

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treat you to get you better, tell us about that. The NHS were phenomenal,

:24:51.:24:56.

incredibly professional, A were very good and took me in

:24:57.:25:01.

straightaway and treated me. I was in hospital for four days.

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Incredibly professional. They were caught and tried. What was the

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outcome? 13 to 19 years in prison. Thank you for weaving your right to

:25:19.:25:21.

anonymity. Tell us about what happened to you five and a half

:25:22.:25:28.

years ago. I had had the horribly abusive relationship and during that

:25:29.:25:38.

relationship I was raped ten times than the last time left me

:25:39.:25:44.

permanently damaged. I went to A, I worked at the hospital, I

:25:45.:25:48.

pretended I was going to work and I got help. You had to pretend you

:25:49.:25:53.

were going in for a shift, that was the only way you could get

:25:54.:25:57.

treatment? Yes. How were you treated? At the time, amazingly, but

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no mention was made about who had done this. I was given numbers for

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victim support and things like that but not actually anything was spoken

:26:11.:26:16.

about domestic abuse. Why use a prized you were not questioned

:26:17.:26:21.

gently a little more? If it happened now I would be but at the time I did

:26:22.:26:26.

not realise what I was going through was domestic abuse so it would have

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surprised me. You work in paediatrics. What injuries TUC

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following violent crime? I have seen a variety of different injuries,

:26:40.:26:47.

lots of fractures, broken bones, ie injuries, deep nasty lacerations as

:26:48.:26:54.

well. Often the perpetrators are other children. Gang related

:26:55.:26:57.

violence is increasing. 1500 child the rest last year and a 20% higher

:26:58.:27:05.

than the year before, with respect to gang-related violence, and often

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the perpetrators are people the children now. Do you question them

:27:11.:27:13.

as a medical professional about what happened? Absolutely. The real

:27:14.:27:20.

challenge in paediatric A when dealing with such indeed these is

:27:21.:27:27.

not to do with the clinical treatment, we have the expertise to

:27:28.:27:30.

physically treat the injuries, the real challenge is looking at the

:27:31.:27:35.

social determinants and the situation holistic like to find the

:27:36.:27:38.

underlying causes and dynamic that have led to a situation where a

:27:39.:27:43.

child has often not been sufficiently supervised or has got

:27:44.:27:48.

involved with gangs and so on is this is why a multi-agency approach

:27:49.:27:53.

with information between different professionals is so important

:27:54.:27:56.

because I only see a snapshot of that incident and that child. Tell

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us about the pilot project your hospital has just finished which is

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aimed at better tackling these kind of injuries. It started about two

:28:07.:28:14.

years ago. It was started by a doctor who has left the department.

:28:15.:28:21.

A project sharing information with Ealing Council about patients

:28:22.:28:25.

attending A with a sword. A generated report on a monthly basis

:28:26.:28:34.

-- assault. Giving anonymous information about the age of the

:28:35.:28:39.

victim and the location, giving the first two letters of the postcode

:28:40.:28:45.

and the nature of the injury. For knife crime or serious injury we are

:28:46.:28:51.

supposed to phone the police. The aim of that is what? To identify

:28:52.:28:59.

hotspots in the area that have higher rates of crime and tackle it.

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You recently installed the domestic violence officer. We have a domestic

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violence officer at the hospital. That is what Kate was referring to.

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Why? It is a high-profile topic, very topical, and we have to tackle

:29:19.:29:27.

that just as they do in paediatric and a multidiscipline fashion, we

:29:28.:29:32.

have an authors who gives counselling to the victims and makes

:29:33.:29:36.

sure they are safe and will not be victims of the perpetrators again.

:29:37.:29:44.

We offer them support and even cases to stay away from the perpetrator.

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You look well. Amazingly well. Psychologically how has what has

:29:53.:29:54.

happened to you affected you and your family? One moves on. It

:29:55.:30:01.

affected all of us, particularly my daughter, who called the police, she

:30:02.:30:07.

was upstairs. We met one of the perpetrators and that helped us,

:30:08.:30:08.

particularly my daughter. Meeting him made him more of a human

:30:09.:30:33.

being and less a monster. Treated as a nuisance by the police and victim

:30:34.:30:37.

ashamed, Lily Allen criticises the net for how they dealt with the

:30:38.:30:41.

case. But was she the exception or the other victims feel the same? Is

:30:42.:30:47.

Prince William a reluctant royal? Some newspapers have criticised him

:30:48.:30:51.

for being work-shy. You can hear what he thinks about that in our

:30:52.:30:54.

interview with him at a quarter to 11.

:30:55.:30:58.

Now it is time for the latest news headlines.

:30:59.:31:00.

An investigation for this programme has found that more than ?4 million

:31:01.:31:03.

is being paid each year in compensation to people who have

:31:04.:31:06.

been held unlawfully in immigration detention centres.

:31:07.:31:07.

The centres hold people the government is trying to deport,

:31:08.:31:10.

including failed asylum-seekers and foreign prisoners.

:31:11.:31:11.

The Home Office says detention is part of a 'firm

:31:12.:31:14.

Prince William has rejected criticism of his commitment

:31:15.:31:22.

to his royal duties, saying he's currently focusing

:31:23.:31:24.

on his role as a father and as an air ambulance pilot -

:31:25.:31:27.

but is willing to take on more responsibility when the time comes.

:31:28.:31:30.

In a BBC interview to mark the Queen's 90th birthday,

:31:31.:31:33.

he also talked about the "incredible insights" he's gained

:31:34.:31:36.

from her and his own ambitions for the monarchy when he finally

:31:37.:31:39.

The number of people out of work has gone up for the first time

:31:40.:31:48.

UK unemployment rose by 21,000 to 1.7 million

:31:49.:31:51.

Stephen Crabb said that the UK remains in a position of strength.

:31:52.:32:08.

We know you should never red too much into one individual set of

:32:09.:32:15.

monthly data. What is important is the underlying trend and the data

:32:16.:32:19.

shows the underlying trend in the UK economy are very positive indeed

:32:20.:32:24.

with the overall employment rate at record high levels. That is very

:32:25.:32:25.

good. The body of a British

:32:26.:32:27.

man who went missing in the Andes Mountains of Peru,

:32:28.:32:29.

has been found almost two weeks Harry Greaves had been

:32:30.:32:32.

visiting friends in Pisac, about 50 miles from Machu Picchu,

:32:33.:32:35.

when he left for a solo hike two His family have paid tribute to him,

:32:36.:32:38.

and thanked people for their help That's a summary of the latest news,

:32:39.:32:42.

join me for BBC Newsroom Newcastle missed the chance to move

:32:43.:32:59.

out of the Premier League relegation zone after a 1-1 draw with

:33:00.:33:04.

Manchester city. They may feel they should have taken all three points.

:33:05.:33:10.

Sergio Aguero clearly offside. Aguero headed in his 100th Premier

:33:11.:33:18.

League goal. The qualifier, Michael Holt has enjoyed the biggest win of

:33:19.:33:22.

his career, knocking out Neil Robertson at the World Snooker

:33:23.:33:27.

champion -- jumping ship. Robertson is the fourth former winner to lose

:33:28.:33:31.

in the first round this year. Russia is poised to announce reforms

:33:32.:33:37.

designed to restore trust in its anti-doping agency. Russian athletes

:33:38.:33:41.

are banned from international competition. They will find out next

:33:42.:33:43.

month if they are cleared for the real Olympics. Bernie Ecclestone has

:33:44.:33:49.

said female drivers could not physically drive a F1 car. He said

:33:50.:33:54.

they would be taken seriously though he believes more women will become

:33:55.:33:56.

F1 chief executives in the future. The reality of a possible mass

:33:57.:34:02.

terror attack in the UK hits home with plans for a million British

:34:03.:34:05.

people who work in busy places like shopping centres and railway

:34:06.:34:08.

stations to be taught what to do Paris and Brussels have already

:34:09.:34:11.

suffered this pain and tragedy and now intelligence bosses

:34:12.:34:14.

say attacks are more likely across Europe

:34:15.:34:16.

this summer on holidaymakers. They warn that the terror group

:34:17.:34:18.

Islamic State could be planning more attacks like the one in Tunisia last

:34:19.:34:21.

year, particularly in resorts At home, the threat

:34:22.:34:23.

level remains severe. Security experts plan to show this

:34:24.:34:27.

video to 1 million Brits this year. They want to show this video to

:34:28.:34:53.

hundreds of people so this could be for you.

:34:54.:34:58.

If you hear gunshots, the best option is to evacuate, but only do

:34:59.:35:05.

so if it will not put you in greater danger. Consider your route. Leave

:35:06.:35:09.

your belongings behind. Insist others come with you but do not let

:35:10.:35:14.

their indecision slow you down. Once you have identified a safe route,

:35:15.:35:20.

run. Consider your route as you leave. Will it place you in a line

:35:21.:35:24.

of fire? Is it safer to wait for the attacker to move before you

:35:25.:35:30.

continue? If you cannot move to safety, hide. Consider your exits

:35:31.:35:35.

and escape routes. Avoid dead ends and bottlenecks. Try to find places

:35:36.:35:39.

with reinforced walls. Try to lock yourself in a room and move away

:35:40.:35:44.

from the tour. Be as quiet as possible. Put your mobile phone to

:35:45.:35:49.

silent and switch of vibrate. Do not shout for help body do anything to

:35:50.:35:53.

give away to hiding place. The best hiding place will have a substantial

:35:54.:35:57.

physical barrier between you and the attacker. If you are able to

:35:58.:36:05.

evacuate, get as far away from the danger area as possible. Try to stop

:36:06.:36:08.

others from entering but only if this will not put you in danger.

:36:09.:36:14.

Call the police. Dialled 999 and tell them clearly the location of

:36:15.:36:16.

you and the attackers. Professor Anthony police is with us.

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What do you think of a video like this? I think it is very important.

:36:27.:36:33.

It is very necessary. There will be many people who say it is

:36:34.:36:38.

scaremongering. There will be many people who say is this likes dad

:36:39.:36:45.

army, do not panic? Stay calm and carry on. Actually, I think it is

:36:46.:36:50.

really important that at the time of heightened danger there should be

:36:51.:36:56.

people, nationally, you know what to do if any of us ordinary people get

:36:57.:37:01.

caught up in a terrorist attack, a bomb plot or what have you. This is

:37:02.:37:09.

a reintroduction of civil defence in this country as it was in the Second

:37:10.:37:13.

World War. 1 million people are going to be trained what to do in a

:37:14.:37:18.

basic way and that is good for all of us. So-called Islamic State

:37:19.:37:25.

appeared to be pretty resourceful. Is it inevitable that big cities in

:37:26.:37:33.

Europe and America will be targeted? I think it is absolutely inevitable

:37:34.:37:39.

that Islamic State jihadists will try to have a go at us either in our

:37:40.:37:45.

shopping centres, our shopping malls, our football matches or even

:37:46.:37:49.

on the beaches people want to take their well earned holiday is on. It

:37:50.:37:54.

is inevitable that it will do so, but it is not inevitable that they

:37:55.:37:58.

will do so successfully and that is very important. It is important to

:37:59.:38:05.

stress this point. MI5 and the joint terrorism analysis Centre have told

:38:06.:38:09.

us that the threat to us in the United Kingdom remains severe. That

:38:10.:38:14.

is to say that an attack on us is highly likely. Those attacks can be

:38:15.:38:20.

disrupted. Our Prime Minister, David Cameron, has told us that in 2015,

:38:21.:38:26.

seven Islamic State attacks were disrupted and people convicted and

:38:27.:38:30.

will be convicted. We shouldn't panic about this. We should stay

:38:31.:38:35.

calm, but the threat is there and it is vital that people should know

:38:36.:38:39.

what to do and as we heard just now, what people should do is not stand

:38:40.:38:46.

and at the brave person, people should run, they should seek shelter

:38:47.:38:51.

and they should dial 999. Thank you for your time.

:38:52.:38:53.

Singer Lily Allen has accused police dealing with her stalking case

:38:54.:38:56.

Ms Allen said that after she spoke out about her ordeal,

:38:57.:38:59.

a Met officer suggested her "high profile" intervention may

:39:00.:39:01.

have discouraged others from coming forward.

:39:02.:39:06.

It's estimated that one in five women and one in ten men

:39:07.:39:09.

will experience stalking in their adult life,

:39:10.:39:11.

but victims don't tend to tell the police about it

:39:12.:39:14.

In an interview with BBC Newsnight, Lily Allen spoke about the police's

:39:15.:39:19.

It transpires that on the 9th of October he had sent an e-mail to his

:39:20.:39:39.

mother saying that he was in London, had come into some money, probably

:39:40.:39:45.

from my handbag, and he was determined to murder a celebrity.

:39:46.:39:51.

The police didn't tell me that and I was living in the same flat on my

:39:52.:40:01.

own. Albeit with a security guard. Then, on the 11th, I was teaching at

:40:02.:40:10.

an event and I came home at about one o'clock in the morning to find

:40:11.:40:15.

the handbag that had been stolen on the bonnet of my car, burnt out. At

:40:16.:40:19.

which point I called the police and the police came over and I think

:40:20.:40:28.

that it was the next day that the installed CCTV on the outside of my

:40:29.:40:34.

house. Then, a day after that, he was arrested.

:40:35.:40:47.

Due to the high profile of this matter, I feel are the victims of

:40:48.:40:52.

similar crimes may have red the story and may not have the

:40:53.:40:56.

confidence in us to report such matters. As such it is important to

:40:57.:41:02.

understand what if anything, went wrong during the investigation. I

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was saddened to hear of this report so would like to hear your views on

:41:07.:41:13.

what we could do better. What do you think of that e-mail? I think it is

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a victim shaming and victim blaming. His sentencing must bring some

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relief. It does bring me some relief if he is sentenced and dealt with as

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a mentally ill person. If he is not, I am not safe and my children are

:41:29.:41:34.

not safe. I am not in the slightest bit angry with Alex Gray. I could

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see from the moment he came into my bedroom that he was ill and he

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needed help. I wanted to help them. I felt immediately like something is

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really wrong with this guy and I feel like

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I have been let down and how many other people are being let down?

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Zoe Dronfield joins us via webcam from Birmingham.

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She was stalked by her ex-partner who later attacked her

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leaving her hospitalised with a bleed on her brain.

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Alexis Bowater was cyber-stalked by a man who was jailed for four

:42:13.:42:14.

years for sending her violent and threatening emails.

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She later became chair of the Network for Surviving

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And in the studio I'm joined by Rachel Griffin,

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Director of the Suzy Lamplugh Trust, a charity which deals with issues

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what do you think of the police singularly Allen that the fact she

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criticised the Met might put off other victims from coming forward?

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It just highlights what Lily said. It is victim shaming. Anything that

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is hidden in secrecy, it just multiplies. We need to be speaking

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out and we need to trim the police on how they deal with these matters.

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There is an issue around the training of the staff in the forces

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and the understanding of stopping behaviour. What do you think of what

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Lily Allen Stern regarding payment? I am grateful she has spoken out

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about her experience and I would make the point it is not up to

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victims to modify their behaviour to compensate for the fact that the

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police are not doing a good enough job. Might it stop some people

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coming forward this remark I really hope not. The longer term and the

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bigger picture is what we need to focus on which is on driving up the

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police response. We released research that showed that 43% of

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people who reported stopping to the police found their response is not

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helpful at all. Let's get that percentage down before the target

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victims. Tell us a little bit about what happened to you? I was in a

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relationship I was trying to end and that is when the stocking started.

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It was constant calls, texts, e-mails. There are so many

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communication platforms these days. It was consistent, unwanted

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attention. I had police involvement and I explained to them, I am trying

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to work, it is affecting my life and it was seen as a joke. By the

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police, it was seen as a joke? They said you need to get a nice

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boyfriend in future. Sorry, somebody said that to you? A police officer?

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Yes. Exactly. That is why I think they need to understand it is not

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romantic, it is persistent, unwanted attention and it is frightening when

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you explain it to somebody what is happening to you and they are not

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taking it seriously. What did you do. The police do not understand, so

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you have to manage the behaviour yourself, which is what I did. I

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said I would beat him. This

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