24/05/2016 Victoria Derbyshire

Hello, it's Tuesday, it's nine o'clock.

I'm Joanna Gosling in for Victoria, welcome to the programme.

Coming up - A group of MPs says the Ministry of Defence is failing

in its duty of care to British troops by prescribing them

the anti-malarial drug Lariam without proper health checks.

The Ministry of Defence and the veterans agency are being quite

resolute in their determination not to address the issue, that is very

sad. It is an awful indictment on the way that we do things at the way

that we are supposed to carry about people who have been damaged, making

sure that people are protect that. -- protected.

Lawyers say there's a growing number of military personnel coming forward

wanting compensation for taking the drug.

Also ahead: A restaurant owner who put profit before safety

is starting a six year jail sentence for the manslaughter

of a customer who had an allergic reaction to a curry.

Also, would you go to Tunisia in the wake

After a 90% drop in British holiday-makers bookings

to the country, officials say the UK needs to relax its travel warnings.

I think there's a big gap between the perception

here of the level of security and the real security on the ground,

When they read the travel advice, they may think, "No,

Welcome to the programme, we're live until 11am this morning.

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We'll be live in Sousse later as figures show that bookings

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Environmental campaigners say they'll continue to oppose fracking

The drilling technique extracts gas and oil from deep underground,

but is controversial because of concerns it causes

Councillors voted last night in favour of drilling a site

in Ryedale despite protests outside the meeting.

Fracking had previously been banned after two small earthquakes

Here in North Yorkshire campaigners have been fighting this

I'm devastated because I feel like our councils have let us down.

We think there's been a probably large Tory block vote

when they didn't stand up and say why they were voting

against what seems like eminently sensible reasons to refuse this.

It was the most controversial application these councillors had

ever had to consider, in the end it passed

This is a landmark moment which puts this world and this site

at the forefront of the fracking debate in Britain.

This decision could yet face a legal challenge,

but in theory they could be producing shale gas from here

This decision could yet face a legal challenge,

in the North Yorkshire countryside by the end of the year.

The well at Kirby Misperton was drilled in 2013.

The fracking will take place at depths of 7,000-10,000 feet.

Sandwater and chemicals will be injected at high pressure,

opening up fractures in the shale rocks, allowing gas to escape and be

Third Energy could now be fracking by the end of the year.

We are relieved and glad we have the permission.

That and the work that has gone into it should assure people

that we will execute the work safely and without any

The Government welcomed this decision.

Friends of the Earth said it was considering a judicial review.

A shale gas revolution in Britain still faces challenges ahead.

John Moylan, BBC News, North Yorkshire.

Our correspondent John Maguire is in Northallerton.

Good morning. As we have heard, a very controversial decision. Tell us

more about the reaction. Controversial, contentious, it has

very much divided opinion. When you look at the numbers involved in this

meeting over the last couple of years, the evidence submitted to the

planning councils who made the decision last night, it seems rather

one-sided. They had 4500 objections, only 36 people in favour. But for

two days, councillors from North Yorkshire County Council on the

planning committee sat here and considered all the evidence put

before them. They heard from 100 people. A two-day planning committee

is a very, very long meeting indeed. They have of course realised that

there was emphasis and focus on them that there has not been... That you

would not normally get in a planning committee. As we heard just now,

there is a moratorium in place until 2012 after the earth tremors at the

site in Lancashire, but for the last four years there have been other

similar proposals considered. This is the first want to be given the

green light. Talking to the council earlier, it said it had taken its

duty very, very responsibly. There are strict planning restrictions in

place. Obviously the Environment Agency will also monitor the

situation will stop the company itself that there is no cause for

celebration at the moment, it takes its responsibility very seriously

and it may take some time before they extract gas from underground.

The Thursday they need to do is figure out whether or not it is

feasible and economic be feasible, whether it has a future and is

desirable for the company to go ahead and turn this into a viable

fracking site. As regard to the campaigners, hundreds have been here

for the last couple of days and have said they will continue to fight on.

They consortia of various environmental groups will be looking

into drilling into the detail of exactly what was decided last night,

what the restrictions on planning are, what the Environment Agency is

expected to monitor. They are saying very much that the battle is not

over, they will continue to fight for the days, weeks, maybe even

years to come. Thank you very much. Annita is in the BBC

Newsroom with a summary A group of MPs says the Ministry

of Defence is failing to follow guidelines when prescribing

a controversial anti-malarial Mefloquine - also known by its brand

name Lariam - has been linked to depression,

panic attacks and hallucinations. The Ministry of Defence

says the vast majority of deployed personnel

are given alternative drugs. Lariam is a once-a-week antimalarial

tablet taken by British Its side-effects have been linked

to severe depression Critics argue that it's especially

dangerous for soldiers in war zones, where they're more vulnerable

to mental health problems. In '99 I went to Bosnia

for a six-month tour, and my wife said I was a changed

man when I came back. Much shorter temper,

very anxious, and I have been suffering from bouts

of depression since then. And each bout of depression

appears to get worse. 17,000 UK Armed Forces personnel

were prescribed Lariam at least once between April

2007 and March 2015. Over the same time period,

approximately 104,000 UK Armed Forces personnel were given

a different antimalarial drug. and when Lariam is given

it is after a risk assessment. There will be more on this story

with Joanna in a few moments. David Cameron is expected to say

today that family holidays could be around ?200 more expensive if the UK

leaves the EU. The Prime Minister is continuing

on the referendum campaign trail Mr Cameron will say holiday price

rises will be caused by a drop The Ukip leader Nigel Farage is also

campaigning this morning Police in Greece have begun

evacuating thousands of stranded migrants from the makeshift Idomeni

camp on the Macedonia border. More than 8000 people,

many of them women and children, have been living in the temporary

camp since the border crossing and the route to northern Europe

was closed in March. The operation began

at dawn and is expected There are hundreds of riot police

on site but officials say An EgyptAir flight that crashed

in the Mediterranean did not swerve and change direction before

disappearing, according The Airbus A320 was en route

from Paris to Cairo with 66 people on board when it vanished

from radar early on Thursday. Despite previous suggestions,

the head of Egypt's state-run provider of air navigation services

says there was no unusual movement. We can speak to Sally Nabil

now, who's in Cairo. Sally, is there any more information

about why there is this discrepancy between what the Greeks were saying

and the Egyptians were saying, that the plane's final moment? Actually,

the Egyptian official did not explain how he came out with this

conclusion. He was talking on one of the talk shows on one of the local

TV channels overnight and just said, we did not record any twist

Sauternes by the plains, as the Greeks have suggested, we just

attracted one minute before it disappeared and could not

communicate with the crew. He also said that the plane did not lose

altitude, as the Greeks suggested earlier, but he did not give more

evidence to support this hypothesis. So far, this cannot be considered

unofficial confirmation. Neither Egyptair nor the Ministry of civil

aviation have issued any state and regarding this, nor have they issued

any state and to comment on the French reports suggesting smoke

detection on board the plane. So far, the Egyptian authorities have

been treading very carefully when it comes to the reasons behind the

disappearance of the plane. What we understand so far is that forensic

export -- experts have been examining human body parts that have

been retrieved and transferred to a morgue in Cairo. Investigations are

still under way, search operations are still ongoing, hoping to find

the black box that plunged into the Mediterranean a few days ago. Thank

you for that update, Sally Na Beale in Cairo.

It's claimed that dogfights are taking place every day

on Britain's streets as people use their dogs for protection

The League Against Cruel Sports is calling for tougher penalties,

a register of banned owners, and a review of the Dangerous Dogs

Our home affairs correspondent Tom Symonds reports.

This organised fight behind closed doors was filmed

But the League Against Cruel Sports claims increasingly dogfighting

This sort of confrontation, known as a roll in streets and parks,

This is Cupcake, a vet believes she was used as so-called bait

Now her scars have healed her mental recovery is underway,

but her rescuer, who has asked us not to show her face,

To victimise and torture a vulnerable creature

Man up and if you have a lust for fighting then go

At the moment we're seeing very few prosecutions taking place and those

who are prosecuted are leading to very low custodial sentences,

The charity wants them increased, a register of banned owners

and a review of the 1991 Dangerous Dogs Act.

The government says that law is designed to help with animals out

of control and the new requirement to microchip dogs will

The United Nations has called for the urgent provision of safe

corridors to allow civilians to leave the besieged

Thousands of government troops and militia have started

a military offensive to oust Islamic State fighters.

UN officials estimate there are 50,000 civilians

The Tunisian ambassador to the UK is urging the Foreign Office

to change its guidance for British tourists.

The official advice is to avoid all but essential travel

Nabil Ammar's comments come after figures from

the Tunisian Tourist Board show a 90% fall in UK visitors

He says his country's government is doing its best

When they read the travel advice they may think, OK,

Whereas, for example, so many successes of our security

forces, every week, you know, the terrorist cells

This should give a positive image, not a negative one, saying

One of the country's leading scientists has called for the ban

on Genetically Modified crops in Europe to be reassessed.

Professor Sir Venki Ramakrishnan, who is President of the Royal

Society, said that GM crops had been misunderstood by the public

and it was time to set the record straight.

Last week, the US equivalent of the Royal Society concluded that

But the Soil Association says there have been no long-term studies

Chinese scientists have developed an experimental

They are transplanting parts of the eyes of pigs into humans.

China accounts for a fifth of the world's blind people

and believes this new procedure could help with organ shortages

The UK isn't expected to follow suit any time soon.

That's a summary of the latest BBC News.

Have you decided how you're going to vote

Well, if you're still not sure whether to vote in or out,

come along and take part in one of our big TV audience

On 6th June, we're in Manchester - that's just over a fortnight

It's open to everyone and will take place in our normal airtime

If you want to take part and can get to Manchester from wherever

you are in the UK, do e-mail [email protected]

to have your chance to quiz and listen to senior politicians

Manchester United may have been accused of lacking class

over their sacking of Louis van Gaal yesterday, but the manager

did, at least, go out with some dignity yesterday.

In a statement, he says he is "very disappointed"

but thanked their "amazing fans" - "every member of the club's staff"

and wished his players the best for the future.

United are expected to resume talks today with Jose Mourinho

Mourinho - seen here in London yesterday -

Van Gaal still had a year left on his three year contract.

The team's poor style of play this season was the main reason

Things hang in the balance for Andy Murray in the French Open

He will have to dig deep to avoid defeat when his match

The world number two lost the first two sets

But Murray fought back, winning the third 6-0.

He managed to force a break in the fourth before

Murray's Davis Cup team-mate Kyle Edmund said his match

He came through in four sets, two of them tie-breaks,

but he wrapped it up by taking the last by six games to one.

Heather Watson won her rain-delayed first-round match.

The British number two recovered from a break down in the deciding

She'll now face the former French Open champion,

I look forward to playing her. I've never played her before and she is a

great player and been around a long time. She is very experienced so it

will be a very tough match, but I am feeling really good about my game at

the moment and I'm in a good place. Golf's world number three

Rory McIlroy says he's concerned about the Zika virus,

as he prepares to head to Rio McIlroy's in good form, winning

the Irish Open at the weekend, but he says he has to consider

the potential impact of the virus on his plans to start

a family with his fiancee. Read ago lot of reports about zika

and some articles have come out saying that it might be worst than

what they're saying. So I have to monitor that situation as well

because you know, there is going to be a point in time over the next

couple of years where we're going to have, you know, think about starting

a family and I don't want anything to affect that.

Right now, I'm ready to go to the Olympics and go down to Rio and try

to compete for a gold medal. NFL team the Pittsburgh Steelers

have been experimenting They're using robot dummies -

Mobile Virtual Players, They can accurately

recreate the movements of an opposing player -

they always run at the right speed - At 10am we will look at the

situation with Manchester United with the football writer Jonathan

Wilson. I will be back then. I like that little bit that you were just

showing us, thank you. A controversial anti-malarial

drug which is sometimes given to British troops -

should only be prescribed That's according to a group of MPs

who've been looking at Mefloquine which is often referred

to by its brand name, Lariam, and has been linked

to mental health illnesses. The danger of severe side-effects

from using Lariam has been highlighted by both the manufacturer

Roche and other witnesses As well as depression,

the drug can cause panic The committee started work

in November last year, which is when we spoke a former Army

officer whose life changed He told Dan Johnson how

he was affected. It's the persistent nightmare

disorder that is so debilitating, and the dreadful night

that I have every night, "why did I have those dreadful

dreams and thoughts?" Andrew's problems with Lariam

started when he was He says the Army didn't give him any

choice about which drugs to take to protect him from malaria

but he soon wished he It's left him with a sleep disorder

and occasional anger issues. I will only ever sleep

for about one hour at a time and the conclusion of that hour

of sleep is a very vivid dream and probably about between one in ten

and one in 20 of those dreams is For example, dreaming

that you're in a burning Or another nightmare

very often involves snakes, and I don't know if this

relates to experience I have But those are the sort of dreams

that I am prepared to talk about, but there are others on a scale way

beyond that, and I've never discussed the content

of those with anyone, It was actually given

to me without my proper consent, and it was also

given to me in the knowledge that I and other people were experiencing

dreadful side effects but we were The Ministry of Defence

and Veterans Agency have been quite resolute in their determination not

to address the issue, and that's It's an awful indictment on the way

that we do things and the way we are supposed

to care about people who have been damaged

and making sure that Professor Sanjeev Krishna

is a Malaria expert and has published over 100 research papers

on the subject. From our Westminster studio,

we have Conservative MP, Dr Julian Lewis, who led

the Defence Committee report Thank you both for joining us.

Julian Lewis first of all, you are led the review. How concerned are

you about the use of Lariam? We are very concerned, indeed. The reason

that makes this case unusual is that the drugs own manufacturers laid

down very stringent rules that they said must be followed if it is to be

prescribed safely and it is pretty clear that those rules requiring

face-to-face, individual risk assessments were not applied. Those

procedures were not followed and therefore, the opportunity to screen

out people who would be most likely to have these sort of side-effects

was lost. What evidence did you uncover that led you to conclude

that procedures were not followed? Well, there was extremely strong

anecdotal evidence from people who would state to us that the drugs

would be given out in just a routine way, without any such face-to-face

interviews and what's more, from the MoD side, it was very disturb that

they -- tis tushing that they professed to be unable to produce

any evidence to prove these interviews had taken place. They

admitted they couldn't guarantee it happened in every case, well, we

strongly suspect it may not have happened in the majority of cases

and a minister was good enough and open enough to offer an apology to

and a minister was good enough and those members of the armed forces

who might have been prescribed the drug without the appropriate

safeguards and interviews drug without the appropriate

been followed. I notice drug without the appropriate

reply the Today programme, the MoD was quoted as saying that a risk

assessment was always carried out, but what they didn't say was that a

face-to-face risk assessment was always carried out and we think they

may have done what they called desk-based risk assessments, where

they might look at somebody's paper records and say, "OK, it is OK to

give to it to him or her." What you're referring to there is a

statement from you're referring to there is a

Defence which says, "The vast majority of deployed

Defence which says, "The vast already receive alternatives to

Lariam and where it is used, we already receive alternatives to

require it to be prescribed after an individual risk assessment." Are you

saying that's not the truth? Well, they're saying

saying that's not the truth? Well, now. The question is, have they

required it overall the years it has been given out? Notice again, it

still doesn't say face-to-face. been given out? Notice again, it

Whereas my understanding of the manufacturer's requirements is that

it must be face-to-face in order that an assessment can be made of

the individual and as to whether or not the individual for example might

be reluctant to reveal that they have got the sort of symptoms that

mean that they should not be prescribed it in the first place.

The reality is that the MoD tries to say that there are certain parts of

the world where only this drug say that there are certain parts of

work and the alternatives won't work and we're demanding to hear from

them something specific about where those areas are for example, but in

any event, what we're saying is that, even if there is a tiny set of

circumstances when this drug might have to be prescribed, it should be

restrucked to exactly that. It should not be doled out en masse to

large numbers of people being deployed suddenly because there is

no possibility if you're doing that, that you can ever fulfil the

guidelines and the safeguards that the manufacturers rightly flag Has

the Ministry up. Of Defence failed in its duty of care to military

personnel? Definitely. What does that say to you about the Ministry

of Defence? Well, I won't extrapolate it beyond the

circumstances of this particular scenario, but they appear to, what

shall we say? Well, they know what they've done. They're stopping short

of admitting it. They're not denying it. People can draw their own

conclusions from that. What do you think should happen? Well, we've

recommended that there should be a single point of contact within the

chain of command for those people who are still serving and through

GPs for those people who are no longer serving to whom anybody who

has been badly affected by being prescribed this drug can have easy

resource with a view to getting the support and the help that they may

well need to get on with their lives. Is the support available at

the moment? I don't think it is in the sense that a single system has

been set-up to which anyone can refer. I cannot say for certain

whether or not individual service personnel who have taken the

initiative and approached the military authorities, won't have

received any support. We didn't examine that point. What we do

recommend is there must be a central, one stop shop system,

whereby people who have suffered as a result of the inappropriate

prescription of this seriously questionable medication to which

they can have recourse for help and assistance. What about redress for

those who say their lives have been changed by this? They have been

unable to carry on doing what they were doing before as a result of it?

Well, indeed. There do seem to be well attested cases. In the report

we have major Duncan whose life has been severely damaged as a result of

the medication that he received and of course, it will be up to them and

the Ministry of Defence and if necessary, the courts, to decide

whether compensation is appropriate and if so, how great that

compensation should be. That's not really a matter for the Defence

Select Committee to decide. I will speaking to his wife a little bit

later on the programme. Are you disappointed, you talk about the

fact that the Ministry of Defence has been effectively slow to

respond? This is something that's been around for a long time. I was

speaking to somebody earlier who talked about in the military the

phrase, "I'm having a Lariam moment" Is used by very senior personnel in

some cases? Yes, of course there are all sorts of By-products, there is a

distinct possibility that people will quietly chuck it away and thus

go into malarial infested regions completely unprotected against

malaria and that's the worst of all possible outcomes if they end up

getting malaria as a result of that. Now, the military and the Ministry

of Defence will say it is sab lightly vital that people must have

antimalarial drugs and we agree with that. The question is, whether

enough has been done to make it clear to people that there are

alternatives, even if there are alternatives that are not as

convenient to take as this one, where you only have to take one

tablet a week for example, but given the risks of such severe

side-effects in a minority of cases, and less severe, but still troubling

side-effects in larger number of cases, and given the stringent

precautions laid out by the manufacturers, which are not

themselves suitable, if you're deploying large numbers of troops at

short notice into a malaria infected area, then it is as plain as a

pikestaff that this is an unsuitable medication to give to the Armed

Forces. I want to bring in the professor, he

is a malaria expert. Julian Lewis just said that the MoD says there

are parts of the world where only Larry is suitable. Do you agree? It

does not chime with what I understand. Malarone, which is a

trade name, does not have any evidence of resistance anywhere in

the world, as I understand it. That is a very well-tolerated drug

combination that can be used effectively, I think, to prevent

malaria. So as far as you are concerned, there are no

circumstances where Larry would be the only option? No. It is more

convenient, it is they once a week medicine, rather than daily. Yes. I

think, on balance, the price that is extracted for that convenience, as

has been so carefully investigated by the defence committee, is not

worth paying. Is at a cheaper drugs? It is cheaper, on the whole. It

depends for how long one wants to provide cover. The longer you go,

the more expensive the combination in relation -- the combination in

Malarone becomes in relation to Lariam. Julian, should somebody take

responsibility for what you are saying about the Ministry of Defence

handling? It is obviously serious. Should somebody take responsibility?

Where does this go? At the end of it all, investors had to take ultimate

responsibility, and the minister concerned who came to the committee

was very forthright and frank about this, we really appreciated that. We

thought his attitude was very positive. We welcome back. Remember,

this has been going on for a very long time. There may be all sorts of

reasons other than sheer pig-headedness that there has been a

reluctance to change practice. What appears to be the case, from the

latest state and is coming out of the MoD, is that they are now

prescribing it on a much more restricted aces which, perhaps

prescribing it on a much more they had prescribed it on such a

restrict the bases all along, it would not have led to anything like

the same above problems. -- perhaps if they have prescribed it on such a

restricted aces all along. I was interested in hearing that there

were no areas where Larry would not work. That is what we suspected,

although we are not qualified to pronounce on that. One of our

demands in our conclusion is that we reach is that if the MoD are going

to rely on that sort of argument, they need to specify where these

areas are that only Lariam will suffice to

areas are that only Lariam will personnel. Thank you both very much.

areas are that only Lariam will We will be talking much more about

that a little bit later. Still to come: Dog lovers know

to avoid puppy farms, but it's not always easy to be sure

if a breeder is responsible. So what more can be done to crack

down on illegal establishments and protect both dogs

and customers? And as another climber dies

on Everest, has the mountain become Annita is in the BBC

Newsroom with the rest Good morning. Campaigners have

promised to keep on fighting after a council in North Yorkshire approved

fracking for shale gas. Fracking for shale gas is to take

place in England for the first time since a ban on the practice

was lifted four years ago. But North Yorkshire County Council

has now approved an application by the company Third Energy to use

fracking at a site near the village A group of MPs says the Ministry

of Defence is failing to follow guidelines when prescribing

a controversial anti-malarial Mefloquine - also known by its brand

name Lariam - has been linked to depression,

panic attacks and hallucinations. The Ministry of Defence

says the vast majority But the MP who led the review took

are given alternative drugs. But the MP who led the review took

this programme that he is very concerned about the way it has been

prescribed. The Government has said there should

be an independent inquiry into historic practices relating

to infant cremations in Hull. The agreement comes

after a long campaign led by Tina and Mike Trowhill

after they discovered their son's More than 50 local families

have also been affected. Police in Greece have begun moving

thousands of stranded migrants from the makeshift Idomeni camp

on the Macedonia border. have been living in the temporary

camp since the border crossing and the route to northern Europe

was closed in March. The operation began

at dawn and is expected There are hundreds of riot police

on site but officials say An EgyptAir flight that crashed

in the Mediterranean did not swerve and change direction before

disappearing, according The Airbus A320 was en route

from Paris to Cairo with 66 people on board when it vanished

from radar early on Thursday. Despite previous suggestions,

the head of Egypt's state-run provider of air navigation services

says there was no unusual movement. David Cameron is expected to say

today that family holidays could be around ?200 more expensive if the UK

leaves the EU. The Prime Minister is continuing

on the referendum campaign trail this morning, after yesterday's

warning of a Brexit Mr Cameron will say holiday price

rises will be caused by a drop The Ukip leader Nigel Farage is also

campaigning this morning That's a summary of the latest BBC

News - more at 10am. We will be out and about with both

camps in a few moments, but first let's catch up with the sport.

Good morning. We are waiting for white smoke at Old Trafford.

Despite being unaware of plans to relieve him of his job,

sacked Manchester United manager Louis van Gaal appears to have

departed Old Trafford with some class.

In a statement, he described United as magnificent club,

Those fans are now waiting patiently.

United are expected to resume talks with Jose Mourinho

Mourinho - seen here in London yesterday -

has been out of work since leaving Chelsea last December.

Mourinho is expected to offer current number two Ryan Giggs

a coaching role but not the job of assistant manager.

World number two Andy Murray faces a fight to reach

Bad light stopped his match with 37-year-old Radek Stepanek

with Murray trailing two sets to one.

And Northern Ireland's Rory McIlroy has admitted he may turn down

the chance of playing at the Rio Olympics over concerns

over the Zika Virus as his thoughts turn towards starting a family

We will be back looking at Manchester United just after 10am,

you then. David Cameron is back

on the campaign trail We can cross over to our

political guru Norman Smith, Yesterday we had that dossier of

doom, the economic storm clouds if we left the EU talk about what the

deficit would be, talk of ?39 billion more, how inflation would go

up by 2.7%. We have been plunged into recession, the economy growing

about 3.6% less. Those are all big numbers, big economic arguments.

Today Mr Cameron wants to bring it down to everyday costs. What he will

be talking about at this airport is the cost of flying, the cost of

summer holidays. He calculates, or, more honestly, his civil servants

calculate, that if we leave the EU, outlines will not be able to take

advantage of what is called the Aviation Single Market, which

provides common rules and regulations on flight routes and

landing, so the cost of flying will go up. But also because the pound

may well depreciate with the immediate shock of leaving the EU,

we will lose out in terms of the cost of paying for hotels, food,

petrol etc. He has come up with these numbers and suggests that for

a family of four going on holiday for about eight nights also in

Europe, that would go up, he says, by ?230, that is the increase. If

you were to go for ten nights, he says would go up I320 ?5. If you

were to go to the States, never mind the issues around Europe, because of

the depreciation in the pound, apparently that would cost around

?640 more. What does this tell us? I think it tells us that there is a

feeling in Team Cameron that they need to make this referendum about

real people's lives. You can't just do the big arguments about the big

economics or big security issues, you have too grounded in people's

everyday experiences. That is what he is trying to do with the argument

about the cost of flights and holidays. Those figures you are

quoting, are they disputed by the other side? Each one disputes what

the others are saying, but can we rely on these? There were as one

rule around this referendum. Everything is disputed, every fact

is argued and these facts are argued over -- there is one rule about this

referendum. Since we entered Europe, as lights have consistently come

down, they have come down by around 40%. The argument is that this is

not about the single market, it is about competition, with the Internet

and consumers becoming more savvy. Ryanair are saying they will cut the

cost of air flights by 7% this summer. Nothing to do with Europe,

it is because of falling petrol prices and oil prices. A lot of the

arguments depend on how you view them. Team Cameron say it is because

we are in Europe, Team Boris and Team Leave say it is because of the

cost of petrol and competition. Coming up: As British holiday makers

continue to turn their backs on Tunisia after last year's terror

shootings, is it time to rethink We are getting a big response from

you on that, we will read some of your thoughts are little bit later.

A production facility run on an industrial scale to produce

No, that's not some kind of manufacturing unit -

that's how the horrific conditions of puppy farming

It seems our famous love of dogs is having unintended

Recent footage shows cages in Ireland filled with hundreds

of dogs, many of them sickly, very many of them destined

Now campaigners say the trade has gone on long enough and they want

Celebrities, MPs and charities will gather for a rally today

outside the Houses of Parliament - calling for the government to ban

the sale of puppies in pet shops and by dealers.

As the law stands, as long as someone owns a council pet shop

licence they're free to source dogs from elsewhere.

So is it our problem - us, the owners who supposedly adore

And are we just fuelling the industry?

In a moment we'll talk about the issue, but first take

a look at this investigation from BBC Panorama.

after buying a dog which had lots of health problems.

Wendy Jackson's story is very similar.

Aran Mathai campaigns against puppy farms,

Aran Mathai campaigns it? What we

Aran Mathai campaigns actually of pet shops that are in

Ireland and we Ireland, but they are clearly

shocking conditions that those puppies are being

shocking conditions that those sort of stories that you hear and

the things sort of stories that you hear and

day. You know, our inspectors daily are dealing with issues of

day. You know, our inspectors daily in shocking conditions, but the

puppies that are actually bought in the UK at the moment in

puppies that are actually bought in establishments. Is it clear what the

legislation is? It is very complex in terms of trying to identify

people that are trading. That's why the RSPCA are calling for people,

whether they are selling one litter or one puppy, to be licensed or

registered in the very first instance so there is some way of

tracking that through. Does nobody have to be licensed or registered?

At the moment the regulations that are in place require that you're

licensed if you have over a certain number of litters of puppies in a 12

month period. The trouble comes when local authorities try to enforce

that legislation because people are passing them as your Panorama

programme demonstrated, are passing themselves off as, you know, just

one time breeders of the pup Let's talk to lis. Alison. Alison you

brought your dog Trixie five years ago and discovered problems quickly,

what were the problems you discovered? The problems I

discovered, she became very unwell quite quickly. I mean when we went

to see her, she wasn't acting like a normal puppy would. But the excuse

we were given is that she had been asleep and we took his word for it,

but when we went home with the dog, within 24, 48 hours, she became very

unwell. Had alarm bells rung when you bought her? They did because we

asked a couple of times if we could see the parents, but we were always

excused. We were basically, we were forced out the door. He wouldn't

answer any of our questions. But you went ahead and bought a dog from

him? We went ahead. Yeah, we did go ahead and buy the dog from him. Dud

I do Ied that? How much did you pay? I paid ?650 for the dog. It wasn't

the breed you thought it was? No, it was a mixed breed which we didn't

know. Wendy Jackson you wanted a cross. You found one. Tell us what

your experience was? I went to the kennels. I thought it was a real rep

rable dealer. I paid ?495 for him. I got him home and within 24 hours,

well not even 24 hours, I realised there was something wrong. I got

appointment at the vets. When I took the dog the following day, they told

us that he were actually completely blind. That he had clusters behind

his eyes. They took his blood. No cancer showed up, but I feel as

though I'm living worthwhile a timebomb. I have got to watch him

for violently shaking his head in case he has severe headaches and

watch him for taking fits. It is just, I feel as if I was conned from

walking into the premises to walking out. Everything was all rushed. It

is just disgusting what they're doing with these animals. I think

there needs to be some sort of legislation. Some sort of law to

stop this happening. Aaron, you're one of the organisers of the rally

today. Yes. Why are you marching about this? Essentially all the

Government advice, all the advice from the large animal welfare

charities, all the advice from all reputable animal organisations is

you should not buy a puppy unless you can see it with its mother.

That's not possible with third party dealer, whether that's pet shops or

online sales. The onus is on the Government to say the third party

sales are not acceptable because that is what facilitates puppy

farming. What about the onus being on the people buying them? Well,

that's certainly true as well, but if a potential purchaser can see the

puppy interacting with the mother then they can make a more informed

choice about whether that's a breeder they want to personally

support. That way, the large puppy farms, they will never be able to

sell their product in the way that they treat it as a product. If you

type "Puppy" Into a search on the internet, the second item that comes

up is RSPCA guidelines on what you should look for when you are buying

a puppy and what you should avoid. There is loads of advice out there.

Shouldn't individuals be taking responsibility. Isn't the first step

of responsible pet ownership be taking responsibility when you're

buying it? It doesn't make sense that it is legal to sell a puppy

when the mother is not present. When the Government itself on its website

says you should never buy a puppy unless the mother is present and you

can see the puppy interact with the mother. So it is totally

hypocritical for the Government to say this is something that the

public have to take on board. But we're not going to enforce this.

What do you think? Is it hypocritical? I think it is very

difficult. As there are some really sad stories out there of people who

purchased puppies in this way and you know, recent research shows that

a large percentage, over 50% of people aren't doing the research

before they are buying the puppies, you know, another large percentage

of them will just buy on one viewing of a litter. Does the buck stop with

the people buying it? It is very difficult. We would like people to

be better informed. There is more information on our website. We would

like people to use the dog contract that we have on the website. But I

think the whole issue of banning the third party sales is very difficult.

It is a very simple way to deal with what is a complex problem. Alison,

were you aware of what you should be looking out for? How much did you

look into buying a puppy before you went off and bought one? I did do

some research and I did know that, you know, to see the parents and the

puppy with the parents was the main factor, but I kept asking, but

againks I kept getting fobbed off and I was rushed out the door. I did

ask many times to see the parents. The same question to you, Wendy?

Well, I thought I had seen the parents, but actually it turned out

that they weren't the parents of Micka. These people, they are

intelligent people. They are not stupid people. They know they are

conning people. You know, it's hard going to these breeders and you

think that you're getting a puppy, you know, from a decent breed, but

the lies that they tell you. The way they rush you out the door. It is

disgusting. Thank you all very much for joining

us. Let us know your thoughts on it as well.

Efforts are still on to locate two Indian climbers who went

Three climbers, an Australian, a Dutch and an Indian national,

have lost their lives on Everest in as many days and 30

Over 600 climbers have attempted to scale the world's highest

peak recently with over 350 of them successful.

But there's suggestions the route should be closed

This last happened in 2014 over safety fears.

Joining us is one man who knows the area.

Graham Hoyland is an author and mountaineer.

Thank you very much for joining us. the summit, and has visited

Thank you very much for joining us. There have now been three fatalities

in three days. As I said, you know Everest. You've been there many

times. How dangerous is it to climb? Well, it is very dangerous for the

sherpas. Over 100 Sherpas have been killed helping people like me climb

to the summit of the mountain and I think, if this was happening in our

country, the place would be closed down. Are the dangers predictable?

No, they're not predictable. You climb up through a thing called the

ice fall which is a giant tumbling ice cubes. They are the size of

tower blocks and they can suddenly slip and crush you to death and this

happened in 2014, I think 16 Sherpas were killed. And what I'm suggesting

is that we use helicopters to carry the provisions up the mountains to

the first camp and stop the Nepalies having to climb through the ice 30

or 40 times. We, western climbers, only go two or three times. Should

Everest be closed to climbing full stop? No, I don't think. It would be

unfair to Nepal. It is a big earner of foreign exchange. I think the

sensible thing to do is what the Americans do with their highest

mountain which is to vet the climbers, the western climbers, make

sure they're good enough. Keep standards high. Use helicopters. And

avoid the dangerous bits. Because at the moment anyone can go up if they

have got the money to do it, is that right? That's right. As with most

things, money is calling the shots here. People are paying maybe up to

$90,000 to climb the mountain. For those sums of money, people will let

them complete amateurs go up. People who can't even tie their shoelaces,

can't walk straight. I would suggest that people have to be properly

trained and vetted and then certainly let the commercial

expedition companies collect the fees, but keep it all safe.

What would you say to people about climbing it? You are an experienced

climber, but you have almost been killed there twice yourself? Well,

you've got to remember, climbing Everest is fantastic fun. It is a

beautiful mountain. Nepal is a lovely country with lovely people.

The view from the summit very memorable. You can see over 100

miles to the next mountain, and you will remember it all your life. But

the problem is that the decent is very, very dangerous. You have to

keep thinking all the way down, "This is where most people get

killed." Thank you, Graham.

Let's get the latest weather update with Carol.

How are you? Well, it is looking lovely outside for many parts of the

UK. Not everywhere. We have seen a bit of cloud in some parts, but for

many the forecast will be a warm one and one of sunny spells. Now, on the

satellite picture, you can see where we've got the sunshine and there is

a lot of it around. We have had fog this morning across Northern

Ireland, across Yorkshire as well, but that's lifted and now we've got

the cloud, the thicker cloud. As we go through the day, that will break

up allowing sunshine to develop. With the wind, anywhere down the

East Coast of Scotland or the East Coast of England is prone to cloud

coming in from the North Sea. Further west, we are back into the

sunny skies. Through the day, there will be fair-weather cloud

developing and in the south-west and Wales, there is just an outside

chance you could see a shower, but consider yourself unlucky if you do.

It is the same for Northern Ireland. Very small ricks of a shower. For

most, it will be dry and sunny. And after that cloudy start across the

north and the north-east of Scotland, the cloud breaking up

nicely. You can see in areas close to the North Sea, we are looking at

more cloud at times, but there will be sunny spells. Across north-west

England and Cheshire, sunshine, but down the East Coast, we will see the

cloud lapping on shore. It will be cooler in the east. Towards the Isle

of Wight and the Channel Islands, dry with sunny spellsment through

the evening and overnight, the cloud does come further inland. Some of us

will see it in western areas and it will be thick enough to produce

patchy rain across East Anglia. We have a weather front coming in from

the near Continent. Here is the rain associated with it. And that's going

to push in to some eastern parts of England and the South East of

Scotland during the course of Wednesday. So we start off with some

patchy rain in East Anglia and then the main band of rain comes in. And

you can see the cloud spreading ahead of it getting into Cumbria and

possibly into parts of Northern Ireland through the afternoon. In

the north, there will be some bright spells or sunshine. In the south,

there will be more cloud around than today. The other thing about

tomorrow is, it will feel noticeably cooler than it is today. In fact if

you're heading off to the Chelsea Flower Show, you will notice that

tomorrow. But look at the difference on Thursday. On Thursday, though, we

should see a return to sunny spells and the temperature picking up. In

fact, it is not just in the south, for most of us as we head towards

the end of the week, it will warm upment it will be drier in the

north. In the south, we will be prone to showers. We're importing

those from the near kevent Continent and some could be heavy and

thundery. I'm Joanna Gosling in for

Victoria Derbyshire, welcome to the programme if you've

just joined us. Our British troops being put at risk

by being prescribed the controversial antimalarial drug

Lariam without proper health checks? The Ministry of Defence and the

veterans agency have been quite resolute in their determination not

to address the issue, and that is very sad. It is an awful insight

into the way that we do things and the way that we are supposed to care

about people who have been damaged, making sure that people are

protected. Also ahead: A restaurant owner

who put "profit before safety" is starting a six year jail sentence

for the manslaughter of a customer who had an allergic

reaction to a curry. How can other sufferers ensure that

food is safe to eat? Also, would you go

to Tunisia in the wake After a 90% drop in British holiday

makers bookings to the country, officials say the UK needs

to relax its travel warnings. I think there's a big gap

between the perception here of the level of security

and the real security on the ground, When they read the travel advice,

they may think, "No, There has been a big response from

you. One anonymous text - yes,

we have changed our holiday plans. I want to avoid taking my family

to any area where terror attacks have occurred

or places being affected Matt on Facebook, one of my brothers

always goes to Tunisia. Cheap as chips and deserted and with

only a few foreigners about - Here's Annita McVeigh

in the BBC Newsroom Campaigners have promised to keep

on fighting after a council in North Yorkshire approved fracking

for shale gas. It means that fracking will take

place in England for the first time since a ban on the practice

was lifted four years ago. North Yorkshire County Council has

given permission to the company Third Energy to extract shale gas

at a site near the village A group of MPs says the Ministry

of Defence is failing to follow guidelines when prescribing

a controversial anti-malarial Mefloquine - also known by its brand

name Lariam - has been linked to depression,

panic attacks and hallucinations. The Ministry of Defence

says the vast majority of deployed personnel

are given alternative drugs. But the MP who led the review told

this programme that he is very The reason that makes this case

unusual is that the drug's owned manufacturers laid down very

stringent rules that they said must be follows if it is to be prescribed

safely, and it is pretty clear that those rules requiring face to face

individual risk assessment were those rules requiring face to face

applied. Those procedures were not followed. Therefore the opportunity

to screen out people who would be most likely to have these sorts of

side-effects was lost. And Joanna will be speaking

to people whose lives have been affected by the use of Lariam

in a few moments. The Government has said there should

be an independent inquiry into historic practices relating

to infant cremations in Hull. The agreement comes

after a long campaign led by Tina and Mike Trowhill

after they discovered their sons ashes had been scattered

without their knowledge. More than 50 local families

have also been affected. Police in Greece have begun moving

thousands of stranded migrants from the makeshift Idomeni camp

on the Macedonia border. More than 8,000 people,

many of them women and children, have been living in the temporary

camp since the border crossing and the route to northern Europe

was closed in March. The operation began

at dawn and is expected There are hundreds of riot police

on site but officials say An EgyptAir flight that crashed

in the Mediterranean did not swerve and change direction before

disappearing, according The head of Egypt's state-run

provider of air navigation services says the flight made no unusual

movement, but should acting state that from the Greek error industry.

-- Out industry. The Airbus A320 was en route

from Paris to Cairo with 66 people on board when it vanished

from radar early on Thursday. David Cameron is expected to say

today that family holidays could be around ?200 more expensive if the UK

leaves the EU. The Prime Minister is continuing

on the referendum campaign trail this morning, after yesterday's

warning of a Brexit Mr Cameron will say holiday price

rises will be caused by a drop It could push up the cost of

accommodation, food and drink abroad, he will say.

The Ukip leader Nigel Farage is also campaigning this

That is the latest BBC News, more from me at 10:30am. Lots of you

getting on touch on the story that Tunisia officials are urging the UK

Government to relax its advice warning against all but essential

travel. There has been a 90% drop in the right of British visitors in the

first part of 2016. The guidance has been a place in 31 British

holiday-makers were killed in two terror attacks in Tunisia in 2015.

Jessica says, I would defiantly go to Tunisia. I think the sanctions

not apply there have been that have been long. Currently I live in Egypt

I can see what it does to everyday life with the collapse of the

tourism industry. At the end of the day, people should have the freedom

to travel there or not. You do not see sanctions on Paris or Belgium

like you do to Tunisia and now Sharm el-Sheikh.

Jeff has e-mailed saying I had just spent three weeks on holiday in

Sousse. I felt safe and secure with all the security the Tunisia

authorities have put in place, plainclothes policeman, mounted

police guarding beaches, many more besides, to protect the two arrests.

Terrorism can happen anywhere in the world, it was just unfortunate that

it happened to this lovely country and its warm, friendly people.

Roy says there are much safer places to visit, why take the risk? Thank

you for those comments, do keep getting on throughout the morning

and do remember the hashtag victorialive. If you text, you will

be charged at the standard rate. So changes are on the way

at Manchester United, with Louis Van Gaal sacked yesterday

and Jose Mourinho expected to be named new boss

within the next 24 hours. Jonathan Wilson, football writer

at the Guardian, joins me now. He is also an author. I have seen

Jose Mourinho described as a 2000s manager replacing a 1990 as manager

in Van Gaal, can he was story attacking football that United want

to see? He is often described as defensive, I think he is pragmatic.

Van Gaal had a very possession driven approach, not many risks,

hold the ball, sideways passes. The crowd did not appreciated. Marina

and, but in his second spell at Chelsea and Real Madrid have in

doubt that his ideas were rooted in the early 2000s and he is not as

progressive as somebody like Jurgen Klopp at Liverpool. UNITA dabbing

criticised since sacking Van Gaal, particularly for the handling of

things and Ferguson left. Are we seeing the end of footballing

dynasty is like Ferguson and Arsene Wenger at Arsenal? Good people are

less patient than they were. UNITA only won the league under three

managers ever, the 190 years ago, then Busby, then Ferguson. The

manager who stays long time and bring success over a prolonged

period, there are not so many along these days. Mourinho looks like a

three-year manager, that is what has happened at every club. He arrives,

builds, has always won the league in a second season at a major club, in

the third season, it starts to go sour.

Ryan Giggs, assistant manager, he could be leaving? It has been

rumoured he has been offered a position on Mourinho 's coaching

staff. I guess the dream is that he would turn into United 's Pep

Guardiola, comes through the club, is identified with the club,

achieves great things. It is hard to know if he will be a good manager.

He has been in the two for two failing managers, if he is number

two for Mourinho, as he ever get the chance? He is not proving himself as

a front man. I think maybe a break is necessary to him. You have

written so often about tactics, so many great managers coming into the

Premier League next season, whose style will prevail? This is the most

exciting pre-season we have ever had. Guardiola and Mourinho in

Manchester, Jurgen Klopp doing exciting things in Liverpool, Arsene

Wenger still desperately trying to cling on at Arsenal, we have Antonio

Conte at Chelsea, who will Pochettino bring into Tottenham? A

fascinating season. I think it is the most excited I have been before

a season, I am saying this in May. It should be amazing. Thank you for

joining us, Jonathan. We will wait to see of Jose Mourinho is announced

later today. But for now, back to you, Joanna.

A controversial anti-malarial drug - which is sometimes given

to British troops - should only be prescribed

Some soldiers who have taken it says has ruined their lives.

Some soldiers who have taken it says Mefloquine -

which is often referred to by its brand name,

Larium, and has been linked to mental health illnesses.

A group of MPs say the Ministry of Defence is failing to follow

guidelines when prescribing it. The MP Doctor Julian Lewis led the

review of its use until this programme about his concerns.

The reason that makes this case unusual is that the drug's owned

manufacturers laid down very stringent rules that they said must

manufacturers laid down very be followed if it is to be

prescribed safely, it is pretty clear

prescribed safely, it is pretty face-to-face individual risk

assessment is were not applied. face-to-face individual risk

Those procedures were not followed. Therefore the opportunity to screen

out people would be most likely to have these side-effects was lost. It

was extremely -- there was extremely strong anecdotal evidence from

people who would stage to us that the drugs would be given out in just

a routine way, without any search face-to-face interviews. What is

more, from the MoD side, it was very disturbing that they profess to be

unable to show any records proving that these interviews had taken

place. They even admitted that they could not guarantee that it had

happened in every case. We strongly could not guarantee that it had

suspect that it may not have even happened in anything like the

majority of cases the minister was good and open enough to offer an

apology good and open enough to offer an

Armed Forces who might have been prescribed the drug without the

appropriate safeguards and interviews having been followed. In

reply to the reporter on the today programme, the MoD was reported as

saying that programme, the MoD was reported as

that a face-to-face risk assessment was always carried out.

they might have done what they call desk -based

they might have done what they call might look absolutely's paper

records and say it is all right to give it to him or her, and it is not

OK, and we have seen why in the example you have quoted.

Let's talk now to by Lieutenant Colonel Andrew Marriot,

who took the drug in 2003 when he was deployed

to Sierra Leone and has been living with its effects ever since.

Duncan has been placed in a secure hospital, something she attributes

And Philippa Tuckman is a solicitor specialising in military

She is currently representing a number of clients who took Lariam.

Thank you all for joining us. Andrew, first of all, you took Larry

in 2003. Tell us what you believe you have suffered as a result? --

you took Larry. Good morning. We are enormously grateful to Doctor Lewis

and the members of the committee, they have done a fantastic job, and

what a shame it is that we have had to wait ten years, possibly more,

before the issue starts to move to a resolution. Regarding my own case, I

took Lariam for almost a year. Like many others, I was told it was the

only drug that would work as an antimalarial in West Africa. I

suffered a range of side effects that were supposedly transitory,

issues with balance, vision, memory loss, sometimes anger management.

Also particularly intrusive dreams and a disturbed sleep pattern. That

has become profound and as a permanent legacy for me. So since

2002, I have not had an undisturbed night of sleep. I can manage about

an hour of sleep, which concludes with very intrusive, sometimes very

upsetting, dreams, nightmares, and then I will go back to sleep again.

That pattern, for me, goes about five or six times chewing the night.

There are a few other lingering issues. Again, related to anger

management, a bit like road rage and the forgetful moment, we describe it

in the military as the Lariam moment. You are about to say

something and you have forgotten your chain of thought. Is that a

commonly used phrase? Yes. It is rather like mad Monday for the days

when the pills were issued. There is a commonly held

misconception because it is a drug it is easy to administer. If you

arrive in theatre on a Monday and troops are taking their pills on a

Wednesday or Thursday, how do you manage that? I started to suffer

side-effects as did many members of the team. It affects 30% to 35% of

the people. These can range in severity, but the issue that we

raised then and continued to raise is, why on earth would we want to

have a drug that causes even these transittry effects dizziness, loss

of balance, problems with making clear decisions and on when you are

in some of the world's most hazardous environments and armed

with lethal weapons, potentially becoming a danger to yourself. The

range of issues that Lariam has been implicated with, go beyond some of

the more milder ones that have been explored this morning. It has been

implicated in extreme acts of violence, probably murder, and also

suicide and certainly, suicide is something is something that I've

come across in a number of people who have taken Lariam in the

articled forces. You said you raised it, who did you raise it with? I

raised it with our senior medical officer in Freetown in 2003. I was

told that there was no alternative and the sergeant general had

conducted a risk assessment and the only drug suitable for that

environment was Lariam. So the risk was Lariam or malaria. Now, I had no

reason to disbelieve him. We don't interrogate doctors about every

aspect of our inoculations. So I continued to take the drug and

what's worse is actually that I was then involved in what I described as

a chain of command deceit. There is a military of command function to

look after your soldiers, those soldiers for whom I was responsible,

and some of them were having problems with the drug, I was

requiring them to take the drug because I thought that was in the

best interests in the same way that I would want to make sure they are

drinking clean water and applying suncream. It was only after coming

back to England after a year's service and speaking to friends and

family, they advised me there were two alternatives. So at that point

when you had information that what you were told was not necessarily

something that you should take at face value, what did you do with

that new knowledge? Did you go back to the Ministry of Defence? I went

through my medical chain of command. This is the sort of thing that

evolved over the years because I thought this may have just been a

one-off. I didn't know a great deal about malaria and tropical diseases,

but I knew I had a residual problem. So I asked to be put through some

screening by consultants at the tropical diseases unit in Birmingham

and perhaps naively I had an expectation that the medical chain

of command would at least begin to have some sort of curiosity as to

what the problem might be. Of course, you then have to get on with

your job. I was very busy. Oddly enough, two years later I had to go

back to Sierra Leone and I reported to the same medical centre that had

been processing me through these tropical disease consultants. And as

part of my predeployment package they said you will need to come here

and collect your Lariam. Not have an assessment as what drug would be

suitable, so I had put my foot down and said, "I'm not taking that

drug." I had to write to the medical centre to say I have had

difficulties with this drug. I will not take it. I wish to be given an

alternative. Over the years while I was serving and after I have retired

I have attempted firstly through the Ministry of Defence because I wanted

this to be internal. There was no need for this to have to become a

public scandal. Through military chains and medical chains to have

this addressed. Using the veterans agency, ministers and so on and

there are a whole series of ministers and service chiefs,

because they have a role to play in this as well, from 2006 onwards who

need to look at their consciences. this as well, from 2006 onwards who

I've had a range this as well, from 2006 onwards who

seconds of state for defence which range from -- secretaries of state

for defence which range from the patronising to frankly

for defence which range from the for suggesting that there was a

for defence which range from the problem with Lariam. Ultimately,

through some excellent journalism by the BBC and the Independent

newspaper in particular, the issue really came into the public domain

and thankfully, the Defence Select Committee has had a really good look

and what is really quite disturbing, there is not that much evidence that

was presented to the Select Committee that was not available,

that we were not presenting to ministers, service chiefs, over the

past five to ten years. Let's talk to Ellen. Ellen, your husband is in

past five to ten years. Let's talk Somerset where you're joining us

from. Tell us about Alistair? Yeah, good morning. Well, we believe that

it is part of what has happened to him and he drove over a land mine in

1993 and apparently came out of that unscathed apart from some hearing

loss, but there is a note on his medical file which stays PDST

question mark but he still had Lariam. He did have a reaction. He

was in fact given something else, but then it notes later that six

months later, that he was still taking Lariam and his explanation

and there appears to be no problem, well, there was. His explanation to

me was he was having very bad dreams already since his time in Bosnia and

he didn't realise the significance of these because nobody explained it

was really serious if he was having these, what we know now are symptom

of future problems. And I firmly believe that had there been

acknowledgement of this, the treatment that he has received would

have been different. He has got other damage. This is part of his

story. But the Frankie appalling treatment that he received in the

NHS, giving him a series of psychiatric medications which I

warned them, I felt from prior experience would cause him an

adverse reaction and we believed this is due to the damage that

Lariam has done in the brain. I'm not a medic but I can't explain how

that happens, but it disturbs the brain in such a way that these drugs

cause more damage and we believe that he has as part of his condition

a seizure disorder which as it has gone untreated all these years will

have po pensionly been going on causing more and more damage to the

brain. You are describing a complex picture of what happened to

Alistair. Tell us how much you put down to Lariam? And tell us what he

was like before and what he is like now? Well, it is difficult for me

because I've only been married to Alistair for a short while, we have

been together seven years, but as far as all evidence is, you know, he

was an efficient, decisive, obviously, I don't believe you

achieve the rank of Major General without being a competent officer

and since I have known him, I have seen a lot of the symptoms that was

being described earlier, the seizures that cause the anger

episodes and other behaviour which is episodic. It is difficult to

explain because it is very complex, but it mirrors complex PTSD. This

drug compounds and confounds the symptoms of PTSD and mall traumatic

brain injury. All of which he could be suffering from and potentially he

is suffering from and that's our belief that it is a complex mixture

of all these things, but the fact that Lariam is part of the mix means

that any treatment is potentially not being tailored correctly for

him. And this denial which is part of the issue on behalf of the MoD,

NHS, etcetera that causes this problem for people. Because I mean,

I'm well aware that there are other people who have had these sort of

episodes and it has been put down to PTSD and yet they have also taken

Lariam. So this is the problem. Thank you, Ellen. Philippa, you are

a partner at a law firm looking into this. Yes, indeed. How many

individuals and family affected have contacted you? We have been Kontaed

by over 470 people who feel they have been affected by Lariam. Over

what period of time? That's since the end of last year. So that's a

lot of people in a very short time. Why, because Andrew was saying that

this has been around for a long time. Why do you think all of a

sudden people are coming forward? Well, I act almost exclusively for

military personnel generally and my observation has been that it takes a

great deal to persuade a soldier that the duty of care doesn't just

flow from him or her towards the Ministry of Defence and towards the

service, but should go both ways and they too are entitled to the same

sort of care that we would expect from our doctors. And because it's

so universal, because Lariam is so universal, because it has been so

accepted that it causes bad dreams. That it is just part of your service

as Andrew was saying, the Lariam moment, it's obviously if it is in

such currency you don't tend to think this is causing you enormous

trouble and if it is causing you enormous trouble, it is just part of

life. So I think that the Defence Committee's inquiry which is a

tremendous piece of work and I would entirely endorse what Andrew said

about that. I think that caused the interest that had been bubbling away

in this drug for sometime to really take off and it started, certainly

the people that I've spoken to, started talking about it together on

Facebook. Their families would say well, yes, actually I remember that

you were fine until you went to Kenya. Then you were not fine when

you came back. It just, it all came together at that point, I think. I

mean, obviously if there is legal action, the Ministry of Defence will

presumably defend it and it has put out a statement today in the wake of

the committee finding saying: It says; "The vast majority

of deployed personnel already receive alternatives to Lariam

and, where it is used, we require it to be prescribed

after an individual risk assessment. It goes on to say; "We have a duty

to protect our personnel from malaria and we welcome

the committee's conclusion that, in some cases, Lariam will be

the most effective : Andrew you said, about military

personnel not wanting to come forward and make ago fuss. You said

there was no need for this to become a public scandal. Would you want to

take legal action now? Where are you? It is something I initially

resisted. The only reason that I got into contact with lawyers was

because of the very sponse by the Ministry of Defence -- response by

the Ministry of Defence. I have never been after a financial

settlement. What I have been after is proper management of this drug

because there are lots of people that have been damaged by this drug

and have absolutely no idea that's the cause of it, potentially

suicides that have happened within the military and veterans community

that completely unrecognised because no one to date has accepted the

level of Lariam toxicity that exists. Actually I find the comment

from the Ministry of Defence really quite distasteful. What they're

saying there is that that is the situation now. Since the Select

Committee has begun to take an interest in this. They could hardly

say anything else. They are actually unable to provide proper audits for

what has been happening over the past three years when the sergeant

general said in 2013 there would be effective regimes in place and

certainly from 2006, to 2013, when in 2006 the chief of the general

staff said that the issue would be addressed and they have manifestly

failed in that duty and that's particularly bad given that those

assurances were given to the widow of an officer who committed suicide

after taking Lariam. When you start to put all of this together and

actually we still have a situation, I believe that the sergeant general

said this morning that Lariam is a good drug. It is quite

extraordinary. We're out of time. Thank you very much. We are out of

time. Thank you all very much. Still to come, after a man dies from

a peanut allergy because the takeaway owner cut corners with

ingredients, we look at the impact of life-threatening allergic

disorders. And as British holiday-makers

continue to turn their backs on Tunisia after that terror shootings

last year, is it time to reconsider the advice not to go there? I will

bring some of your thoughts later. Here's Annita McVeigh

in the BBC Newsroom Birmingham City Council's children's

services are to move The department was described as a

national disgrace by Ofsted peers Chief Inspector in 2013, following

the deaths of a number of children who were monitored by the city's

social workers. The plans are at an early stage and council officials

intend to keep control of the design and delivery of services.

Environmental groups say they are considering a legal

challenge to the decision to allow fracking for shale gas

It means that fracking will take place in England for the first time

since a ban on the practice was lifted four years ago.

North Yorkshire County Council has given permission to the company

Third Energy to extract shale gas at a site near Malton.

David Cameron has warned that family holidays could go up to around -- by

around ?200 if Britain leaves the EU.

Speaking to Easyjet workers at Luton airport, Mr Cameron said that a drop

in the value of the pound could mean higher prices for food

The Ukip leader Nigel Farage is also campaigning this

A group of MPs says the Ministry of Defence is failing to follow

guidelines when prescribing a controversial anti-malarial

Mefloquine - also known by its brand name Lariam - has been

linked to depression, panic attacks and hallucinations.

The Ministry of Defence says the vast majority

of deployed personnel are given alternative drugs.

But the MP who led the review told this programme that he is very

concerned about the way it has been prescribed.

The Government has said there should be an independent inquiry

into historic practices relating to infant cremations in Hull.

The agreement comes after a long campaign

led by Tina and Mike Trowhill after they discovered their son's

ashes had been scattered without their knowledge.

More than 50 local families have also been affected.

Police in Greece have begun moving thousands of stranded migrants

from the makeshift Idomeni camp on the Macedonia border.

More than 8,000 people, many of them women and children,

have been living in the temporary camp since the border crossing

and the route to northern Europe was closed in March.

The operation began at dawn and is expected

There are hundreds of riot police on site but officials say

That's a summary of the latest news, join me for BBC

Britain's worst kept secret was confirmed yesterday as Manchester

United sacked their manager. Despite being unaware of plans

to relieve him of his job, sacked Manchester United manager

Louis van Gaal appears to have departed Old Trafford

with some class. In a statement, he described United

as magnificent club, Those fans are now

waiting patiently. United are expected to resume

talks with Jose Mourinho Mourinho - seen here

in London yesterday - has been out of work since leaving

Chelsea last December. Mourinho is expected to offer

current number two Ryan Giggs a coaching role but not the job

of assistant manager. World number two Andy Murray

faces a fight to reach Bad light stopped his match

with 37-year-old Radek Stepanek with Murray trailing two

sets to one. And Northern Ireland's Rory McIlroy

has admitted he may turn down the chance of playing

at the Rio Olympics over concerns over the Zika virus as his thoughts

turn towards starting a family That's all the sport for now,

but I'll have more throughout A huge drop in British tourism

in Tunisia is having a significant impact on the lives

of people living there. Figures provided to the BBC

by the Tunisian Tourist Board shows there's been a 90% fall in UK

holiday makers to the North African country in the first four months

of this year compared to last year. Only 6,000 British tourists visited

the country up to this April. 31 British tourists were killed

in two separate terrorist attacks Package holiday companies no longer

go to Tunisia on the advice In an interview for BBC

Local Radio, Nabil Ammar, the Tunisian Ambassador to the UK

said he wants that changed. I think there is a big gap

between the perception here of the level of security,

and the real security on the ground. There is a big gap

for common people. When they reach the travel advice

they may think, OK, Whereas, for example,

so many successes of our security forces, every week, you know,

the terrorist cells This should give a positive image,

not a negative one, saying I mean, if we take statistics,

you have much less chance to die in Tunisia, or to have

any harm in Tunisia, than many other countries

so close to us. But the main message again is to not

let those who did it any space or room or the possibility

to claim any success. I respect the Foreign Office,

their support of Tunisia, and we are asking for this support

to continue and develop. But, yes, they can help very much

if the travel advice would be more targeted in order to not let

the impression go out to people that this

isn't a safe country. To take into account

all of the progress made. It is not helping us

at all because security is only Half of the problems, the big half

is the economy in Tunisia. And this is not going to help

the economy in Tunisia. The tourism sector

is very important. Now it is hurting the other sectors

connected to tourism. It's part of the solution

against terrorism and violence The majority of those youngsters

with their brains washed, etc, They can be captured

by all of the machine that is behind that and producing at the end

of the line, the terrorists. This has hurt Tunisia,

as it has hurt the UK. And all of those innocent people

who are considered as friends But what I saw last summer

was something very, very new, very strange, all of

the beaches empty of tourists. We want this drama to make people

closer, not to separate us at all. Let's speak now to our reporter

Emily Unia, who is in Sousse. Abily, extraordinary figures, a 90%

drop in a year. How worried is the Tunisia tourist board? Extremely

worried. It is not just about the tourist economy, it is all the other

businesses that depend on tourism. Any kind of crust, people running

restaurants, taxis, you name it. People are suffering. As one woman

put it, she lost her job in the hotel business last year. She said,

it is us, we are the people who are hurting. It is not the terrorists.

They have won if all the tourist stay away. That is the problem, it

is what so-called Islamic State and the other extremists were hoping

for, economic damage which leads to disaffected people, particularly

young people, making a fertile recruiting ground. Tunisia really

has a problem is to risk stay away. It is not just UK visitors that have

abandoned Tunisia, it is across the board. The only increases the number

are coming from Russia, Algeria and within Tunisia itself.

Raouf Jaiem who organises tours around Tunisia, and is in Sousse.

What impact does it have on your job and other businesses in the area?

The impact of the Foreign Office decision has had a huge impact on

the Tunisia economy. About 500,000 workers depend directly or

indirectly of tourism. The UK market represented, until July last year,

the third most important market. Also, many hotels were working

mainly with the British market, which means that since last summer

they have lost 70% of their occupancy all year round. This has

Starc a huge impact on all these hotels. Last winter, maybe 70% of

the hotels were closed, because there were no British tourists in

Tunisia. I am myself taking care of a chain of hotels, and I can tell

you that one has been totally closed since last September, one will open

you that one has been totally closed August, one is open

you that one has been totally closed low occupancy. The economic impact

for all the sectors, especially, of course, tourism, is terrible. For

example, the hotels here are obliged course, tourism, is terrible. For

by law to pay all the members of staff 70% of the salary even when

they are closed. They can do this for one, two, three months, but they

are doing this for one year, and many of them will be closed at least

until next summer. You can imagine the situation of this sector. Also,

usually in April, thousands of workers are employed in the hotels

for the season. Of course, this year no seasonal jobs. All this impact

has a very big impact on our day-to-day life. Myself, as an

economic agency, I have lost about 90% of my business since last

summer. Thank you, Raouf. Peter Kirks joins me in the studio, you

run a travel agency in Berkshire called Tunisia First. It is a tour

operating business, we have been sending travellers from the UK to

Tunisia since 2002. We have lost 50% of our business overnight.

Fortunately, since the Arab Spring, we realised we had all RX in one

basket and diversified and launched a couple of new products, Just Days

Out In and Tuscan Secrets. So we are not totally reliant on Tunisia, but

at peak we were carrying around passengers a year. When you lose

that amount of business overnight, it takes an awful lot of time and

effort to rebuild. But it has not gone completely, you are still

sending people to Tunisia. Who is still going via? Are regular clear

and tell that we have built up over a number of years. -- our regular

clientele. They go back two or three times a year. We point out the

current Foreign Office travel advice to make sure they are fully up to

date with that, but they still insist on going. Aren't they

worried? The God not at all. They know the Tunisia people, they love

the country, they feel quite safe in the tourist resorts where they go. I

have recently had a client 's comeback from Sousse, who has been

there for five months, a long, long stay holiday, he has rebooked to

travel at the back end of the year and into next year. Because he

believes that the country is safe, as far as he is concerned.

What do you think about the Foreign Office guidance? One person says

there is no travel guidance against going to Paris and Brussels, but it

is not as straightforward as relating to somewhere where

something has happened? I sympathise with the advice given out by the

Foreign Office. They have the public to protect. We had that tragic

incident last year. It caused the deaths of quite a number of British

tourists. However, since the Arab Spring, Tunisia has been trying to

rebuild its economy. Last year they voted in a new undemocratic

Government. -- new and democratic government. They have very little

money to develop their businesses. The problem is that the president,

when he fled from the country, he took a lot of money out of the

country and left them in a very desperate position. They need

foreign currency. They need British tourists is to go back there and to

support the jobs of the population, as was mentioned. We heard from

Raouf about the real impact on businesses which are closing, some

of them temporarily, hoping to reopen. Some of them will not be

able to reopen. That will have a long-term legacy? It will. It not

only just affects the hotels and the ground handlers, but it is local

businesses. In the result of poor tell can tally, where the incident

happened last year, the port is surrounded by shops, cafes and

restaurants. Many of those businesses will have to close

because there are no tourists. If there are no tourists, they cannot

spend, therefore these companies will cease to operate. It has a

huge... It creates a huge problem with the population generally. Thank

you. The parents of a man with a nut

allergy who died after eating a takeaway curry say restaurant

owners need to be more aware Paul Wilson asked for no nuts when

staff cooked his chicken tikka masala.

Mr Zaman was jailed for six years yesterday after he was convicted of

manslaughter by gross negligence. The court was told he swapped almond

powder for cheaper ground mix which contains peanuts.

Paul's parents are Keith and Margaret Wilson.

Paul was a loving son and he loved his sport

and he was well aware of his allergy from the age of seven.