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Hello, it's Tuesday, it's 9am, I'm Joanna Gosling,

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The Government warns of a growing threat from hackers,

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criminals and foreign states and says new measures are needed

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Adele speaks candidly about postnatal depression,

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saying it's left her scared to have another baby.

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We'll ask if her honesty will help other women.

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And we'll meet two winners of the Daily Mirror Pride

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of Britain awards, honoured for their extraordinary

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bravery, including David Nott, who risks his life to operate

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I was watching a man looking for his daughter amongst the rubble, and he

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found her and took her to a hospital, where there was no surgeon

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available. My heart turned and I thought, I am going to help him, I

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want to be that surgeon. Welcome to the programme,

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we're live until 11am this morning. In an interview with Vanity Fair

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magazine Adele has admitted she didn't talk to anyone

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about her postnatal depression until finally breaking down

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in tears with a friend. If you've experienced something

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similar, then do get in touch Why is this condition that

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affects so many new mothers And why are women not

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getting more help? Do get in touch on all the stories

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we're talking about this morning. Use the hashtag #VictoriaLIVE,

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and if you text, you will be charged Measures to protect the UK

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from cyber attacks are being announced by the Government

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in a new strategy, backed up by nearly ?2 billion

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worth of funding. The expected threats range

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from foreign states to organised Chancellor Phillip Hammond will give

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details in a speech later. It comes as to hospital trusts say

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they have cancelled operations after a computer virus caused a major

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incident. How worried if the Government? The

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view is that cyber attacks are as great a threat as terrorism, because

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pretty much every aspect of our life is now dependent on smart

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technology, you think of your own life, with a smartphone, tablets,

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maybe your central heating, you think of business, how it is so

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reliant, especially the financial sector, on computers, and our key

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infrastructure, things like energy supplies, transport, those key

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pillars of society now hinge absolutely on computer technology.

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The fear is we are increasingly form rubble to it being hacked, not

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necessarily by foreign powers, but by criminal gangs, or just hackers

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who want to cause damage. The Government is doubling the amount of

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cash they put into cybersecurity to take on board more cybersecurity

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investigators, to set up a new Institute to hone our expertise on

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cybersecurity. The most interesting think we are going to hear today is

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a warning that if Britain is subject to cyber attacks, we built strike

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back. Philip Hammond does not say who we will strike back against, or

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how, but the clear implication is we will hit back if Russia seeks to

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damage our society by cyber attacks in a way that seems to have been

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taking place in the American presidential elections, with claims

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that the Russians have tried to hack into the Clinton campaign. That is

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interesting, not least because the head of MI5 has said today that

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there is a threat from Russia, what is the evidence? He says that Russia

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is now increasingly aggressive, and he is not just talking about cyber

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attacks, he is talking about the track record of Russia, you think of

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Crimea, Ukraine, and now Syria, and we saw that Russian battle fleet

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sailing through the channel en route to the Mediterranean, she would be

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so it can take part in the attacks on Aleppo. There is a view that

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flood Putin is incredibly -- increasingly emboldened. We may not

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be back in a Cold War, but relations are distinct leak calling between

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the West and Russia, and part of the new front line appears to be cyber

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warfare. Annita is in the BBC

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Newsroom with a summary A new therapy that a study suggests

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can successfully treat two thirds of children with chronic fatigue

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syndrome is being In England, up to one in 50 children

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have the syndrome, The online treatment trial

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will target more than 700 children and teenagers,

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many of whom live too far away from the specialist services

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which might help them recover. The therapy has been shown to be

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effective in a smaller trial in the Netherlands,

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with 63% of children The Iraqi Prime Minister Haider

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al-Abadi has appeared on state television wearing combat fatigues,

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urging Islamic State group militants Iraqi special forces have reached

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the city boundaries. Campaigners say they'll keep

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fighting for an inquiry into the clashes between miners

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and police at Orgreave The Home Secretary Amber Rudd has

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ruled a formal review out because there were no deaths

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or wrongful convictions. Ms Rudd told MPs the incident

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happened too long ago and that an inquiry was not

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in the public interest. Those calling for a review

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into the actions of the police condemned the decision

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as an "establishment stitch-up". We are expecting a news conference

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later this morning, we will bring it to you live.

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One of the most bitter US Presidential election

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campaigns in living memory is entering its final week.

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Hillary Clinton, who had been leading opinion polls,

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says she's confident an FBI investigation into newly

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discovered emails will find she has no case to answer.

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Meanwhile, the Republican contender, Donald Trump, says he believes

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the services have found what he calls the "mother

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The final push by the two candidates, putting themselves

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through a punishing schedule, criss-crossing this country,

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Just a few days ago, Hillary Clinton appeared

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headed towards victory, but the discovery of new e-mails

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by the FBI, an issue that's dogged her for three years,

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has put her in conflict with the country's top

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Now they apparently want to look at e-mails of one of my staffers,

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and I am sure they will reach the same conclusion they did

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when they looked at my e-mails for the last year.

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Hillary Clinton has vowed not to allow the e-mail saga

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to distract her from this election and, indeed,

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the FBI was booed here at this rally, but the investigators

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are the last people you want to take on in the run-up to polling day.

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And of course, for her real opponent, it's a golden opportunity.

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And Donald Trump has wasted no time seizing on the revelations.

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That was so bad, what happened originally, and it took guts

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for Director Comey to make the move that he made in light of the kind

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of opposition he had, with trying to protect her

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It's now a battle for public opinion, and the big question,

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what will the undecided voters make of these new revelations?

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The Metropolitan Police has agreed to pay compensation to a gay man

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from London after it admitted it had failed to properly investigate his

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David Cary, who's 54, complained in 2007 that he'd been

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He sued the Met for discrimination because it failed to treat

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A shortage of qualified nursery teachers in England has left more

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than quarter of a million children at risk of falling behind

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by the time they start school, according to Save The Children.

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A report by the charity warns there's been a sharp fall

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in the number of people applying for teaching roles in nurseries,

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While nurseries have staff to care for children,

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independent ones not attached to schools don't have to have any

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At this nursery in Blackburn, the principal is a graduate-level

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qualified teacher who believes that knowledge and training is important

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to the way the children's learning is structured.

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I think it helps us to know the children better.

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We can see the psychology behind what they're doing and why they're

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doing it and we have different skills we can use

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to extend their learning more easily than somebody

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Save The Children wants to see a qualified early-years

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teacher in every nursery, but it says in England more

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than 280,000 children in independent nurseries have to do

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It says it makes them almost 10% less likely to meet the expected

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levels of development when they start school and it says

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the number of people applying for early-years teaching roles has

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The independent sector is doing really well in terms of providing

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care for children up and down the country,

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but they simply don't have the funds, the income,

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to afford this crucial early-years teacher and too many of them

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The Department for Education says it has trained over 16,000 specialist

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early-years graduates and that a record number of providers are now

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It says it wants to get the best staff working

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in nurseries and preschools, so that every child has learnt

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HMRC is chasing almost ?2 billion that is potentially owed in taxes

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by the UK's richest people, according to the

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Adele has revealed that she suffered postnatal depression after giving

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At the time, she admitted she felt like she had made "the worst

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She told Vanity Fair she loved her son Angelo more

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than anything but felt inadequate as a mother and had to spend time

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A gang of bikers has caused traffic chaos during a Halloween ride around

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The group of around 50 off-road motorcycles and quad bikes

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brought Kirkstall Road, a major route into Leeds,

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Witnesses posted videos on Twitter and described the scenes

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as being similar to those in the Mel Gibson film Mad Max.

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Police closed the road until the group had dispersed.

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That's a summary of the latest BBC News, more at 9:30am.

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In a moment, a group of Muslim women say Government inquiries into Sharia

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councils risk treating them like political footballs.

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Do get in touch with us throughout the morning.

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And let us know what you think about treating any with cognitive

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behavioural therapy. If you text, you will be charged

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at the standard network rate. There was a bad accident

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in the racing at Kempton yesterday, what's the latest on the health

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of the jockeys involved? It is rare for something like this

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to happen in flat racing, but the jockey remains in intensive care

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after that fall yesterday afternoon. He had to be flown by air ambulance

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to hospital, with suspected spinal injuries. He was said to be stable

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last night, we are expecting an update at 11am. He was not the only

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jockey involved. You could see these pictures, this is the aftermath of

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the incident. Three other riders were unseated. Jim Crowley was also

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injured and taken to hospital, but was discharged last night. Two more

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jockeys were able to walk away and did not require hospital attention.

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These events don't happen often in flat racing, but because there are

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not any obstacles to Cleo, horses can reach speeds of 30 mph, and with

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riders bunched together during the race, incidents like this can occur.

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A row is brewing over the England and Scotland football teams wearing

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poppies on their shirts in their friendly next week?

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Similar discussions took ways if you years ago, but the debate has been

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reignited, because they will play each other next week in a World Cup

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qualifier, and the match falls on the 11th of November, Armistice Day.

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Many domestic clubs have poppies on their shirts, we saw it with Everton

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over the weekend, but the problem is that the world governing body does

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not allow players to wear political, religious or commercial messages on

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their shirts. The English and Scottish associations are in talks

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to see what solution can be reached. Fitzwilliam contacted Fifa last time

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to argue that wearing a poppy was not a political statement. The teams

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fear that they could face a points deduction if they go ahead and wear

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poppies on their shirts without Fifa's permission. It has been

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confirmed that the FA of Wales are seeking Fifa approval to wear

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poppies on their shirts for the qualifier against Serbia on the 12th

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of November. It was Stoke v Swansea

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last night, and a good Not a bad day for him, he scored his

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first goals of the season. City, and against his old employers. Stoke

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City move up to 12th in the table. It was 1-1 at half-time, but after

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pressure on the Swansea goal, Stoke City went ahead through an own goal,

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and then this from Wilfried Bony made it 3-1 Amity Final Score. A

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third straight victory for them. Swansea have managed five points

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from a possible 30 this season, they have not won a league game since the

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opening day of the season. We will have more football for you at 10am,

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fresh from lifting the women's Super League Trophy with Manchester City,

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Steph Horton and Lucy Bronze will join me life.

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More than 100 Muslim women have complained about their treatment

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by politicians investigating the use of sharia councils in the UK.

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The councils are tribunals often used to settle disputes

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within the Muslim community, and later today a group

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of politicians begin an inquiry into how they operate in the UK.

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But Shaista Gohir, the chair of Muslim Women's Network UK,

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says the inquiries could patronise women and says everyone thinks

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We'll hear more from her in a moment.

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First, though, last year this programme was granted rare access

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Our reporter Jean Mackenzie spent a number of days there observing

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the hearings and speaking to the women involved.

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We'd just like you to briefly tell us what has been the issue?

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Each month a panel of Islamic scholars meet in a side room

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of Birmingham Central Mosque, with a full day of

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And you said this marriage was not consummated.

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Today all the cases are women wanting a divorce.

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Nasheen has come to escape a forced marriage.

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You have to give your body, you have to give everything to them.

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You absolutely have every right, you don't have to live

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This is regarded as one of the better councils.

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There are around 30 of them around the UK.

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The judges make rulings based on Islam, which are not recognised

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He was a different person with me, always angry.

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What was the turning point when you decided

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The biggest concern about the councils is

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In some extreme cases, women have been refused divorces

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from violent marriages, instead told to mediate

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You feel secure, unsecure that he can hurt you?

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If I see him, I shudder, my whole body starts shaking,

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This is not enough, does not have value.

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Is it not possible to forget all the things?

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Despite Yasmina's insistence, the council wants to be sure her

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The first objective here is to try...

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That is why he is asking you as well.

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We will discuss for five minutes, if you could sit outside.

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From our Birmingham studio we're joined by the Chair

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of the Muslim Women's Network UK Shaista Gohir, who will be giving

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evidence at the Home Affairs Select Committee hearing this afternoon.

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In the studio with me are Pragna Patel from the organisation

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the Southall Black Sisters, who has also been consulted as part

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of today's inquiry, and Amra Bone, who was the first female judge

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You think that sharia courts don't need to be shut down,

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And it could do. Why do you think that? We are really fed up of

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everyone, not just politicians, treating us like children and not

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listening to us when it comes to solutions. Let me explain what I

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mean. In terms of the politicians, we welcome the enquiries, however, I

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wish this had not been launched by the Home Office. It should have been

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launched by the Ministry of Justice. They have a duty to eliminate

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discrimination. As for sharia councils, they are not applying

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Islamic principles uniformly. Sometimes they get this. Women could

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get a speedy divorce without discrimination.

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They regularly listen to women but when it comes to solutions they get

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ignored, and I think you could split them in two camps. Those that mean

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well and are protecting Muslim women, and then you have a smaller

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group of activists including feminists, using it for their own

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purposes, and what we are seeing, everyone must put aside their

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political agendas and listen to what Muslim women are saying and we need

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solutions that work best for Muslim women. They need to inform the

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debate. We are talking about it all the time, listen to us and

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prioritise our voices. You don't like the councils. I think it's such

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a pity she has not really focused on the debate, this is not about an

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attack on activists, it is such a shame she used her time to talk

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about activists and not the rights and wrongs of these councils. The

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point is there is no such thing as sharia law. Sharia codes operate

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differently in different councils and across Muslim majority

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countries. What is taken to be that is open to interpretation. What we

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have is a dominant, austere, fundamentalist form of sharia law

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which is embedded in community structures and normalised. And our

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opposition, we're not just opposing councils but all religious forums

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that arbitrate on family matters. We know that if they are endorsed by

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the state in any shape whatsoever it will not be wrong before

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fundamentalists, and the Jewish communities, will want similar

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arrangements. The main reason sharia councils and religious arbitration

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forums are really problematic is they are patriarchal, discriminatory

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structures that serve to further the interests of patriarchs and women.

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You're the first female judge appointed to one of these councils.

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How do you respond to that? I disagree. I'm speaking from the

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council I'm in, I've been on the council panel for 11 years. I sit

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alongside men and we have principles of Islam which are not what is

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presented, there is justice, equality, compassion that we apply

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and women come to us, voluntarily, they want to use the services and in

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fact the council where I am, it was started by two women, it was a

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service provided for women who could hear their problems and views, and

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it has led to a sharia Council. You're talking about your

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experience. Do you think there are no questions to answer about how the

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system operates? There are councils where you need to improve these

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processes. We do our best. It is to do with faith. People are free to

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register their marriages and we encourage people to register their

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marriages and take advantage of the facilities. What about the

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overarching point, that there should be no religious element when it

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comes to making decisions on family matters? People have faith and we

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cannot take away people's faith, they want to live according to their

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faith as well as the law of the land. It is like body and spirit. My

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response is of course people want to live by their faith. The point is,

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does the state have any business regulating family matters using

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these unaccountable self appointed structures of our communities who

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are an added layer of oppression for women and children? I would point

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out that many of the women who use this, the largest group of women

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that use us, see their best hope of justice in the legal system. Not in

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the sharia councils that are unaccountable, not transparent. You

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spoke about your process and your view of whether they are right or

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wrong for women. What is your perspective? We need to stop

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assuming every woman who goes there gets a bad service. Sometimes they

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are dealt with quickly. A significant number don't. We get

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case studies. The latest was this Wednesday. We need to reform the

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system and raise the standards. You want to reform the system. Yes, I'm

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going to look at that. Those activists who want to abolish the

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councils don't have the Muslim women's views at the forefront of

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their mind. At the end of the day Muslim women are going to want to

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have a religious divorce so what that will end up doing is driving

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them underground which will result in less transparency, higher fees

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and more discrimination. We think the best way to deal with this, yes

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there needs to be accountability and standards raised and maybe there

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could be some chords of practice, the government could step in and

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regulate, but at the same time, it is a myth to assume Muslims do not

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want to use the British justice system or civil law. We are asking

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the government to make it law that you have a civil marriage before you

:27:44.:27:48.

have a religious marriage. Then you can go and get a civil divorce. Then

:27:49.:27:52.

we would like to see a campaign to educate the community that a civil

:27:53.:27:59.

divorce can count. Then, slowly, Muslim women would stop using them

:28:00.:28:04.

or it would not need to use them. Surely this is a more sensible and

:28:05.:28:10.

pragmatic approach. Quick final word in the studio. Actually, sharia

:28:11.:28:18.

councils are not just places where women get divorces, they are places

:28:19.:28:23.

where women's rights are violated in fundamental ways. We need to look at

:28:24.:28:27.

the in which the Muslim arbitration tribunal seeks to... Onto quick

:28:28.:28:37.

final thoughts. We have women who have had civil divorces, it is not

:28:38.:28:48.

just a matter of needing this. The two can work and together, there is

:28:49.:28:56.

no competition. It is great to hear from you all. Let us know your

:28:57.:29:08.

thoughts from that. In the last few minutes we've heard that Iraqi

:29:09.:29:17.

troops have headed into the city of Mosul and faced resistance from

:29:18.:29:22.

Islamic State. I spoke just before we came on air. We are on the very

:29:23.:29:30.

fringes of Mosul right now. I'm surrounded by armoured Humvees,

:29:31.:29:36.

there are tanks to my left. There has been a lot of incoming fire from

:29:37.:29:41.

Islamic State, pinning down these troops. But they have been moving

:29:42.:29:48.

into the city faster than expected. A lot of weapons have been fired

:29:49.:29:55.

out, some have been fired in. In the last few moments there was an aerial

:29:56.:30:07.

strike from coalition jets. The area is thick with dust. It is quite

:30:08.:30:13.

confused situation. The commander of the unit said he was hoping today

:30:14.:30:21.

there would be reason for the world and the Iraqi people to celebrate.

:30:22.:30:28.

What are you able to ascertain about the strategy of Islamic State?

:30:29.:30:33.

They are hardened fighters, and many of them are willing to die for their

:30:34.:30:39.

cause a matter takes for a tough enemy. We have all been in a convoy,

:30:40.:30:49.

dozens of armoured vehicles and tanks, hundreds of men, also heavily

:30:50.:30:59.

-- and get those fighters have stood their ground, even though they know

:31:00.:31:03.

they could not win this battle. That is going to make it slow and

:31:04.:31:07.

dangerous. Yesterday alone the convoy we were with were targeted by

:31:08.:31:11.

four separate car bombs, there was another one that try to attack the

:31:12.:31:16.

base this morning, unsuccessfully. They know what is coming, they know

:31:17.:31:21.

they are fighters that won't give ground, they are pretty well armed,

:31:22.:31:28.

a lot of arms and trucks from the Iraqi military when they fled my

:31:29.:31:34.

soul when is a mixed came in, and they are ready to die, so everybody

:31:35.:31:41.

expects a long, difficult and bloody campaign, and the question is, what

:31:42.:31:45.

happens to be civilians, who are stuck inside the city. They are

:31:46.:31:50.

vulnerable to being used as human shields, with any fighting going on

:31:51.:31:57.

around them. What are the concerns? That is right, the UN has been Cleo,

:31:58.:32:01.

we have seen reports from a number of different sources which make

:32:02.:32:06.

things credible, which show that Islamic state retreated from a

:32:07.:32:11.

number of the villages in the province it was controlling, they

:32:12.:32:14.

took civilians with them, they ordered people to get on their

:32:15.:32:18.

trucks and travel with them, otherwise they would be killed. We

:32:19.:32:23.

also know from previous operations against Islamic State that they put

:32:24.:32:29.

civilians in their own vehicles to try and stop the Iraqi forces from

:32:30.:32:38.

attacking them. It will make the military operation hard, but one can

:32:39.:32:41.

only begin to imagine how terrifying it must be for those people caught

:32:42.:32:45.

in the middle of this, not able to escape. A lot of terrified civilians

:32:46.:32:49.

waving white flags in the villages that we have gone through. They look

:32:50.:32:54.

extremely grateful when the forces come in and Islamic State leave. But

:32:55.:33:00.

people are going to hedge their bets. The country has seen a lot of

:33:01.:33:08.

war over a lot of years, and people are trying to make themselves and

:33:09.:33:12.

their families safer. The situation is unpredictable, have determined

:33:13.:33:17.

are the forces you are with to get into Mosul by the end of today? I am

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amazed that we are this far forward. Nobody expected this.

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This group was much more advanced. We thought it would make them

:33:37.:33:44.

vulnerable to attack, but they decided they had momentum and they

:33:45.:33:51.

pushed on. The major is battle hardened and battle scarred.

:33:52.:33:55.

Previous campaigns against Islamic State. They lost more than a dozen

:33:56.:34:04.

men because of an attack that was launched by Islamic State. A lot of

:34:05.:34:10.

this is about payback, but also about establishing control for the

:34:11.:34:19.

Iraqi Government. When we finished speaking, he said

:34:20.:34:23.

they were going to go on the move immediately, and they did go off and

:34:24.:34:31.

have entered Mosul. He has tweeted to say the Iraqi forces have entered

:34:32.:34:36.

my soul, they are fighting on the outskirts against very stiff Islamic

:34:37.:34:39.

State resistance, and there is fierce resistance as

:34:40.:34:44.

counterterrorism forces push into Mosul, the heart of the so-called

:34:45.:34:46.

caliphate. We'll keep you updated. Honoured for their

:34:47.:34:49.

extraordinary bravery. We'll meet two winners

:34:50.:34:51.

of the Daily Mirror Pride of Britain awards, including surgeon

:34:52.:34:54.

David Nott, who risks his life And, with one in 50 children thought

:34:55.:34:56.

to be affected by severe exhaustion, we'll ask if a new therapy

:34:57.:35:00.

being trailed for the NHS can help Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom

:35:01.:35:03.

with a summary of today's news. Iraqi troops have entered Mosul, and

:35:04.:35:25.

are fighting Islamic State militants. Our correspondent

:35:26.:35:31.

embedded with special forces has tweeted that counterterrorism forces

:35:32.:35:33.

were facing stiff resistance on the edge of the city. Government it have

:35:34.:35:38.

been advancing on Mosul from the South, part of an offensive which

:35:39.:35:41.

began more than two weeks ago. Measures to protect the UK

:35:42.:35:43.

from cyberattacks are being announced by the Government

:35:44.:35:45.

in a new strategy backed up by The expected threats range

:35:46.:35:48.

from foreign states to organised Chancellor Philip Hammond will give

:35:49.:35:52.

details in a speech later. The initiative comes as two hospital

:35:53.:35:57.

trusts in Lincolnshire said they have cancelled operations

:35:58.:36:00.

after a computer virus caused A new therapy that a study suggests

:36:01.:36:03.

can successfully treat two thirds of children with chronic fatigue

:36:04.:36:10.

syndrome is being In England, up to one in 50 children

:36:11.:36:13.

have the syndrome, The online treatment trial

:36:14.:36:17.

will target more than 700 children and teenagers,

:36:18.:36:23.

many of whom live too far away from the specialist services

:36:24.:36:26.

which might help them recover. Campaigners say they'll keep

:36:27.:36:33.

fighting for an inquiry into the clashes between miners

:36:34.:36:35.

and police at Orgreave The Home Secretary Amber Rudd has

:36:36.:36:37.

ruled a formal review out because there were no deaths

:36:38.:36:43.

or wrongful convictions. Ms Rudd told MPs the incident

:36:44.:36:46.

happened too long ago and that an inquiry was not

:36:47.:36:49.

in the public interest. Those calling for a review

:36:50.:36:52.

into the actions of the police condemned the decision

:36:53.:36:55.

as an "establishment stitch-up". The Metropolitan Police has agreed

:36:56.:37:01.

to pay compensation to a gay man from London after it admitted it had

:37:02.:37:03.

failed to properly investigate his David Cary, who's 54,

:37:04.:37:07.

complained in 2007 that he'd been He sued the Met for discrimination

:37:08.:37:14.

because it failed to treat That's a summary of the latest

:37:15.:37:19.

BBC News, more at 10am. Jockey Freddie Tylicki remains

:37:20.:37:27.

in intensive care with suspected spinal injuries after a fall

:37:28.:37:34.

at Kempton yesterday. The champion jockey Jim Crowley

:37:35.:37:38.

was also hurt, but has since been The English and Scottish FAs

:37:39.:37:43.

are in talks with Fifa over whether players can wear poppies

:37:44.:37:49.

on their shirts, like those seen here in the Premier League

:37:50.:37:52.

at the weekend, for their World Cup The game's world governing

:37:53.:37:56.

body bans political, Wilfied Bony scored his first two

:37:57.:37:59.

goals for Stoke as they beat his struggling former club Swansea 3-1

:38:00.:38:07.

in the Premier League. Bob Bradley's side remain deep

:38:08.:38:10.

in the relegation zone without a win And, Wales's rugby-union captain

:38:11.:38:13.

Sam Warburton is out of their opening autumn Test

:38:14.:38:21.

against Australia Justin Tipuric is likely

:38:22.:38:23.

to replace him for the first match Some comments, on what Dell has said

:38:24.:38:45.

about postnatal depression, she said it has put her of having a second

:38:46.:38:50.

child. Emma says, many people do not realise the severity of postnatal

:38:51.:38:55.

depression. I experienced a severe psychosis after my last child was

:38:56.:38:59.

born, it took me a huge as to recover fully. I am glad Adele has

:39:00.:39:03.

spoken openly, it can be dreadful for all of those affected. On sharia

:39:04.:39:11.

law, the enquiry is under way into cancelled, one person says, tribunal

:39:12.:39:16.

is undermined the integrity and sovereignty of our judiciary system.

:39:17.:39:23.

Anthony, sharia councils have no place in England, but I think the

:39:24.:39:27.

Government might be scared of being labelled racist if they interfere

:39:28.:39:30.

too much. Keep your thoughts coming in.

:39:31.:39:33.

Campaigners are vowing to step up their efforts to secure

:39:34.:39:37.

an inquiry into the so-called Battle of Orgreave, even though

:39:38.:39:40.

Ministers argue there were no miscarriages of justice or deaths

:39:41.:39:45.

following violent clashes between police and miners picketing

:39:46.:39:47.

outside a coking plant near Rotherham in 1984.

:39:48.:39:49.

That day in June 1984 went down in history as the most violent day

:39:50.:39:58.

thousands of pickets met huge lines of police,

:39:59.:40:06.

who were brought in from all around the country,

:40:07.:40:08.

outside the Orgreave coke works near Rotherham.

:40:09.:40:09.

The miners were trying to stop lorry loads of coke

:40:10.:40:12.

They thought that would help them win their strike,

:40:13.:40:17.

but police were determined to hold them back.

:40:18.:40:19.

The stand-off escalated, and violence broke

:40:20.:40:21.

Many miners and police officers were injured.

:40:22.:40:25.

One officer said it was a "miracle" no-one was killed.

:40:26.:40:30.

The debate goes on about who acted first, but police horses were sent

:40:31.:40:33.

to charge the crowd up the field and officers

:40:34.:40:35.

Many miners and police officers were injured.

:40:36.:40:42.

The protesters argued the response had been heavy-handed and it

:40:43.:40:46.

destroyed many mining communities faith in the police.

:40:47.:40:54.

Then the year after the violence, the trial of nearly 100

:40:55.:40:58.

protesters collapsed because of "unreliable"

:40:59.:40:59.

The miners felt they'd been set up, that there had been a plan to beat

:41:00.:41:04.

them, to show them they couldn't win the strike.

:41:05.:41:07.

27 years later, a BBC investigation found that South Yorkshire Police

:41:08.:41:09.

had told officers what to write in their statements,

:41:10.:41:12.

Reading a paragraph or so from some paper, and they asked people to use

:41:13.:41:25.

that as their starting paragraph. The Orgreave Truth and Justice

:41:26.:41:30.

campaign has long campaigned for a full public inquiry

:41:31.:41:32.

into what had happened that day. But yesterday, the Home Secretary

:41:33.:41:35.

Amber Rudd said that wouldn't happen, to calls of "Disgrace"

:41:36.:41:42.

in the House of Commons. I have concluded that there is no

:41:43.:41:44.

case for either a statutory enquiry An astonishing and shameful

:41:45.:41:58.

decision, the Government have let those families of the garden path.

:41:59.:42:02.

Does she not understand that the disinfecting light of a enquiry is

:42:03.:42:09.

the only thing that will give those communities and families the

:42:10.:42:11.

confidence they need back in the South Yorkshire Police force? I

:42:12.:42:16.

would urge him not to leap to anger quite so quickly. This Government

:42:17.:42:23.

has taken the time, has looked at the documents. I have been in post

:42:24.:42:26.

for three months, I have met with the families, with the campaigning

:42:27.:42:32.

MPs, the fact that I have reached a different decision from the one that

:42:33.:42:36.

he holds does not mean that it is any way dishonourable. This is a

:42:37.:42:41.

difficult position to make, I have made it considering all the facts,

:42:42.:42:43.

and I believe it is the right one. We are expecting a news conference

:42:44.:42:54.

later this morning. We will bring it to you live.

:42:55.:43:01.

Adele has been speaking for the first time about suffering from

:43:02.:43:06.

postnatal depression after giving birth to her son. We will ask if her

:43:07.:43:12.

honesty will help other women. Our next guest could not be more

:43:13.:43:18.

different, a girl who has suffered a terrible accident as a cobbler, the

:43:19.:43:22.

other is a leading surgeon who risks his life to treat people in war

:43:23.:43:27.

zones. What they have in common is the most extraordinary bravery, and

:43:28.:43:30.

that courage saw them both honoured at the pride of Britain awards last

:43:31.:43:34.

night. We will talk to them both at the moment.

:43:35.:43:44.

There were many moments when I thought I was going to die. In

:43:45.:43:50.

Aleppo, David is battling to help save civilians' lives. We will

:43:51.:43:55.

operate for another 12 hours or so. This is not his day job. He normally

:43:56.:44:00.

works in NHS hospitals in London. Every year he takes two months

:44:01.:44:05.

unpaid leave to bring his surgical skills to the people who need it

:44:06.:44:10.

most. For David, it is what he lives and breathes and what he loves

:44:11.:44:16.

doing. It comes from his heart. It all began when he saw a news report

:44:17.:44:22.

about the war in Sarajevo. I was watching a man looking for his

:44:23.:44:26.

daughter amongst the rubble, and he found her and took her to a

:44:27.:44:29.

hospital, where there was no surgeon available to offer rate. My heart

:44:30.:44:35.

turned and I thought, I am going to go out and help him, I want to be

:44:36.:44:40.

that surgeon. He has spent more than 20 years crossing the globe, from

:44:41.:44:44.

war zones in Gaza and the Congo to earthquakes in Haiti and Nepal. He

:44:45.:44:48.

is driven by the difference he can make, and he understands it is

:44:49.:44:54.

dangerous, but he feels it is a GTO. Whilst operating on a patient in

:44:55.:44:57.

Syria, he was interrupted by so-called Islamic State fighters

:44:58.:44:59.

armed with Kalashnikov 's. Eventually the men turned away and

:45:00.:45:18.

left him to finish the surgery. He struggles with post-traumatic stress

:45:19.:45:26.

disorder. He always says I will go again. Even when he's back in

:45:27.:45:32.

London, he carries on his vital work, training surgeons and

:45:33.:45:44.

overseeing operations in Syria. In 2007, they had a baby girl, Tilly.

:45:45.:45:58.

Very troublesome. One morning, when Tilly was 15 months old, life for

:45:59.:46:03.

her happy family took a tragic turn. I took some washing down steers and

:46:04.:46:08.

I heard a scream. She'd been claiming on a bean bag next to the

:46:09.:46:16.

bath and fell in. She was standing in the bath with no skin on. The hot

:46:17.:46:25.

tap had been left on. I thought we had lost her there. She had burns to

:46:26.:46:36.

86% of her body surface. At the time, no child of that age had

:46:37.:46:43.

survived such a severe injury. We thought she would not make it

:46:44.:46:48.

through the night. She almost died seven times but after 12 hours of

:46:49.:46:54.

surgery, incredibly, she survived. I wish it was me and not her. Since

:46:55.:47:00.

her accident it years ago, Tilly has had over 500 operations including

:47:01.:47:08.

having to have her leg amputated. But there is no stopping this little

:47:09.:47:15.

girl. Every scar tells a story. Nothing will faze her. When she is

:47:16.:47:20.

in the hospital, it is fine, it will not hurt. She has taken on a roll as

:47:21.:47:30.

the face of the charity which sends ill and disadvantaged families and

:47:31.:47:35.

their children on holidays. I like helping other children. It shows

:47:36.:47:40.

that they can go out and be who they are. She is living life to the full.

:47:41.:47:53.

Tilly is in a band, they started when they were in hospital. They

:47:54.:48:01.

would sing and dance to Little Mix songs. My sister is the very bravest

:48:02.:48:11.

person in the whole wide world. Their shears. I'm delighted to say

:48:12.:48:14.

that Tilly is here with her. Welcome. I'm delighted to say that

:48:15.:48:23.

the surgeon David Nott is also here with us. First of all, Tilly, you've

:48:24.:48:34.

been through some difficult times. You're an incredibly brave little

:48:35.:48:40.

girl. Thank you. Everybody who knows you has known that but now the rest

:48:41.:48:44.

of us get to know it. What was it like going to be awards? Did you

:48:45.:48:52.

know people knew how brave you are? She did. I expect people tell you

:48:53.:48:56.

all the time. How does it make you feel? Happy. Tell us a bit more

:48:57.:49:01.

because you've had to be brave as well. Yes, it's been really hard.

:49:02.:49:08.

We've seen her in so much pain, go through a lot, so yes, 500

:49:09.:49:16.

operations. It is a lot. It is unimaginable. She is so brave. She

:49:17.:49:23.

will go into the room and she will be laughing with the surgeons, she

:49:24.:49:28.

loves the sleeping gas and she is really good. Is it true that you

:49:29.:49:33.

worry more about how other people are than how you are? Yes. Why is

:49:34.:49:41.

that? You just ask them. Make sure their OK. Make sure they have stuff.

:49:42.:49:52.

That's very kind and thoughtful. She will talk to children if they are

:49:53.:49:55.

scared about going into theatre. She will tell them there's nothing to be

:49:56.:50:00.

worried about. She's made them cakes, when we've been in, and

:50:01.:50:06.

handed them out. Just go round and make friends. Do you like to make

:50:07.:50:13.

cakes? Cupcakes. What flavour do you like best? Chocolate. Do you want to

:50:14.:50:22.

do that when you grown up? Making cakes would be good. You wanted to

:50:23.:50:29.

be a nurse. It changes every week. Last week she wanted to be a pop

:50:30.:50:34.

star. Now she wants to be a nurse again. I know something about you

:50:35.:50:38.

wanting to be a pop star. Look at this? What was that like? It was

:50:39.:50:46.

amazing, wasn't it? You are in a junior version of them. What do you

:50:47.:50:55.

do? Sing. What was it like when you met them? Was it amazing? It must

:50:56.:51:06.

have been a whirlwind, all of this, everybody knows what you've been

:51:07.:51:10.

through and how amazing you been, to get this recognition, what does it

:51:11.:51:17.

mean to you? It means the world. She is the bravest girl I know. For her

:51:18.:51:23.

to be rewarded, for people to see her story, it's really amazing. Do

:51:24.:51:34.

you know how brave you are? Just her! What does it mean going

:51:35.:51:44.

forward? They still don't know. She is the only child in Britain that

:51:45.:51:48.

has lived with those burns. There are still learning from her. Even if

:51:49.:51:55.

she cannot walk far, that is OK with us. It is really great to meet you

:51:56.:52:08.

both. Everybody was very emotional to see you there. It was good. Thank

:52:09.:52:13.

you very much. You should be very proud. Also with me, David Nott. We

:52:14.:52:25.

saw his story previously. His day job is one of the top vascular

:52:26.:52:29.

surgeons in the country, spends a lot of time, your own time, unpaid,

:52:30.:52:38.

going to war zones and disaster zones. That's why you've been

:52:39.:52:42.

acknowledged. Congratulations. I should say that Carol Vorderman,

:52:43.:52:56.

when she presented the award, cried. She has... I still maintain general

:52:57.:53:01.

surgery and I do cancer surgery at another hospital. I was on call the

:53:02.:53:10.

night Carol came in, she was very septic, she had a terrible

:53:11.:53:15.

infection, and it required very careful treatment for her, putting

:53:16.:53:29.

her on that. It was a very difficult operation and I still think about it

:53:30.:53:34.

to this day, somebody who was a public figure, loved by the British

:53:35.:53:37.

people on my operating table, and it's very stressful to do that sort

:53:38.:53:45.

of procedure and it took five hours to do and it was a delight to see

:53:46.:54:01.

her yesterday. You go from that to war zones, Bosnia, Iraq, Libya,

:54:02.:54:10.

Sierra Leone, Syria... You are always travelling. What was it that

:54:11.:54:14.

made you decide that was how you wanted to use your talents to good

:54:15.:54:18.

effect? It started a long time ago when I become a consultant. I

:54:19.:54:26.

watched the film called Killing Fields, and the surgeon doing under

:54:27.:54:32.

duress, helping people, and I thought, I want to be the person

:54:33.:54:37.

that can do that. I started in Sarajevo, it lit a fire in my heart.

:54:38.:54:50.

I go off to places. I feel you can do so much by crossing that little

:54:51.:54:55.

line, going across it to help people. It means so much to them. I

:54:56.:55:07.

leave them with the legacy and that is what it is all about. You're

:55:08.:55:15.

putting yourself into very dangerous environments. Tell us about some of

:55:16.:55:23.

the experiences you've had. I know there was a time when you were

:55:24.:55:27.

operating on a little girl and the advice was that you've got to leave

:55:28.:55:31.

the hospital because you were in immediate danger. I was in Gaza and

:55:32.:55:39.

there was a little girl who'd come in, terrible fragmentation wounds,

:55:40.:55:46.

she was on my operating table and I was preparing her for surgery and

:55:47.:55:49.

all of a sudden somebody came into the operating theatre and said,

:55:50.:55:54.

you've got to go because the hospital is going to be blown up. I

:55:55.:56:04.

thought, when I'd done this job for a long time, the passion for it, I

:56:05.:56:14.

thought, I'm not going to leave her, I stood in the operating theatre,

:56:15.:56:20.

everybody else went out, the anaesthetist looked at me and I

:56:21.:56:24.

said, you can go, I'm staying. He said, I will stay with you. I

:56:25.:56:32.

prepared her, he anaesthetised. I picked up a scalpel, started

:56:33.:56:35.

operating, waiting for the time when it was all going to be over, but

:56:36.:56:39.

amazingly, nothing happened, we waited and waited, and I was just

:56:40.:56:44.

thinking, it'll happen any moment now, I finished off the operation

:56:45.:56:49.

and the little girl did really well, three days later I had my photograph

:56:50.:56:52.

taken with her and it was an absolute joy. That was what it was a

:56:53.:56:58.

boat. You cannot leave those environments and leave everything

:56:59.:57:03.

behind. What is the residue in you? The residue in me to go to these

:57:04.:57:09.

places is such that I'm able to go and leave a legacy of training for

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the doctors that are there, and I enjoy doing that, and it is a

:57:15.:57:18.

passion and I cannot let it go, to be honest. There is another time

:57:19.:57:21.

when you were operating on an Islamic State fighter and other

:57:22.:57:27.

Islamic State fighters came into the operating theatre. Do you ever get

:57:28.:57:34.

frightened? Of course I do! I have a strong Christian conviction and I

:57:35.:57:37.

pray a lot, I don't pray all the time, but I sometimes talk to God. I

:57:38.:57:46.

don't talk to him all the time but occasionally I need to go on the

:57:47.:57:50.

right frequency to discuss things. That particular time, I was

:57:51.:57:55.

operating in Aleppo and suddenly the doors of the operating theatre flew

:57:56.:57:58.

open and a lot of Islamic State fighters came in because I was

:57:59.:58:03.

operating on an Islamic State fighter. My legs turned to jelly,

:58:04.:58:09.

and I thought, God, protect me here. This is a very difficult and

:58:10.:58:15.

dangerous situation. I prayed and hoped, I concentrated on what I was

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doing, they left after 20 minutes, the senior guy left after that, and

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all was well. But it was a tense moment. This award is about

:58:28.:58:33.

recognising your bravery. Does that cross your mind? I don't really

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know. Obviously, what people feel about themselves is often different.

:58:42.:58:46.

I don't feel like that, to be honest. It was a shock to receive

:58:47.:58:51.

this award. It was a great thing to be able to do. My wife, who is my

:58:52.:58:59.

best friend, she set up our foundation, and it goes out to

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trained doctors all around the world, so it is a great legacy that

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we are doing, and giving back to war zones and people like that. It is

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absolutely great to be able to talk to you, David, and to both of you. I

:59:15.:59:21.

want to read one e-mail, this person says, Tilly, you are a fantastic

:59:22.:59:29.

little girl, you've been through a tremendous amount of suffering, and

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you continue to be brave. And he says, David, an absolute hero and a

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star. That sums it up, I think. Thank you for your company. The

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Daily Mirror pride of Britain awards are on ITV tonight at 10pm. Now the

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weather. How are things looking? We've had a lot of fog around, what

:59:55.:00:02.

you will find is through the day it will lift into low cloud. The other

:00:03.:00:06.

end of the country is beautiful and sunny. Really nice. It is confusing

:00:07.:00:11.

what to wear at the moment. It will turn colder.

:00:12.:00:21.

We are looking at this weather front, which is sinking South, a

:00:22.:00:27.

line of demarcation between the old air and milder conditions in the

:00:28.:00:32.

South. Dense fog across East Wales, and some southern counties. It will

:00:33.:00:38.

lift into low cloud. It will be thick enough to produce spots of

:00:39.:00:42.

rain or drizzle. To the north of it, we are looking at a cooler day, but

:00:43.:00:47.

a sunny one, with a peppering of showers and some coastal gales.

:00:48.:00:54.

Yesterday we hit 22.2 in West Wales, so the temperature is coming down.

:00:55.:01:03.

It will continue to do so this evening and overnight as the weather

:01:04.:01:07.

front clears. It will get rid of the cloud and the mist and fog. The wind

:01:08.:01:13.

changes for north-westerly, which is a call direction, so a widespread

:01:14.:01:21.

rural frost this evening. That is how we start tomorrow. There will be

:01:22.:01:27.

crisp, autumnal sunshine around, if you showers in the North, if you

:01:28.:01:32.

around the Irish Sea. It will be dry. The temperatures will be back

:01:33.:01:36.

down. Britain under attack in cyberspace.

:01:37.:01:40.

if you've just joined us. The Government warns of a growing

:01:41.:01:47.

threat from hackers, criminals and foreign states

:01:48.:01:49.

and says new measures are needed With up to 50,000 children

:01:50.:01:53.

thought to miss school because of severe exhaustion,

:01:54.:01:58.

we'll ask if a new therapy being And, Adele speaks candidly

:01:59.:02:03.

about postnatal depression, saying it's left her scared

:02:04.:02:09.

to have another baby. We'll ask if her honesty

:02:10.:02:11.

will help other women. Here's the BBC Newsroom

:02:12.:02:23.

with a summary of today's news. Elite Iraqi troops have entered

:02:24.:02:29.

the outskirts of the city of Mosul, where they're engaging in fierce

:02:30.:02:32.

fighting with Islamic State militants they're

:02:33.:02:34.

trying to drive out. Government troops have been

:02:35.:02:36.

advancing on Mosul from the south. They are part of a major offensive

:02:37.:02:39.

which began more than two weeks ago. Our international correspondent

:02:40.:02:43.

Ian Pannell and cameraman Darren Conway are travelling

:02:44.:02:45.

with the Iraqi special forces, We are on the fringes of Mosul, not

:02:46.:03:04.

into the city proper. Surrounded by armoured Humvees, thanks to my left,

:03:05.:03:10.

there has been a lot of incoming fire, pinning down these troops.

:03:11.:03:16.

They have been moving rather rapidly much faster than people expected.

:03:17.:03:21.

There have been weapons fired out and some weapons fired in, rocket

:03:22.:03:27.

propelled grenades, mortars, we know that snipers are out there as well,

:03:28.:03:32.

and in the last few moments there was an aerial strike from coalition

:03:33.:03:37.

jets. The air is thick with dust and the smell of smoke. It is a very

:03:38.:03:42.

confused situation, but we are sitting still before they try and

:03:43.:03:43.

get in to Mosul. Measures to protect the UK

:03:44.:03:45.

from cyberattacks are being announced by the Government

:03:46.:03:47.

in a new strategy backed up by The expected threats range

:03:48.:03:50.

from foreign states to organised Chancellor Philip Hammond will give

:03:51.:03:56.

details in a speech later. The initiative comes as two hospital

:03:57.:04:01.

trusts in Lincolnshire said they have cancelled operations

:04:02.:04:04.

after a computer virus caused A new therapy that a study suggests

:04:05.:04:07.

can successfully treat two thirds of children with chronic fatigue

:04:08.:04:14.

syndrome is being In England, up to one in 50 children

:04:15.:04:17.

have the syndrome, The online treatment trial

:04:18.:04:21.

will target more than 700 children and teenagers,

:04:22.:04:26.

many of whom live too far away from the specialist services

:04:27.:04:29.

which might help them recover. Campaigners say they'll keep

:04:30.:04:35.

fighting for an inquiry into the clashes between miners

:04:36.:04:37.

and police at Orgreave The Home Secretary Amber Rudd has

:04:38.:04:40.

ruled a formal review out because there were no deaths

:04:41.:04:45.

or wrongful convictions. Ms Rudd told MPs the incident

:04:46.:04:48.

happened too long ago and that an inquiry was not

:04:49.:04:50.

in the public interest. Those calling for a review

:04:51.:04:54.

into the actions of the police condemned the decision

:04:55.:04:57.

as an "establishment stitch-up". And we're expecting a news

:04:58.:05:01.

conference later this morning from the Orgreave Truth

:05:02.:05:03.

and Justice Campaign, The Metropolitan Police has agreed

:05:04.:05:05.

to pay compensation to a gay man from London after it admitted it had

:05:06.:05:11.

failed to properly investigate his David Cary, who's 54,

:05:12.:05:15.

complained in 2007 that he'd been He sued the Met for discrimination

:05:16.:05:21.

because it failed to treat That's a summary of

:05:22.:05:26.

the latest BBC News. People look out for that news

:05:27.:05:43.

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:05:44.:05:45.

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:05:48.:05:51.

The Women's Super League came to a close last weekend.

:05:52.:05:55.

Manchester City Women were crowned champions after an incredible

:05:56.:05:58.

16 games they played, winning 13 of them,

:05:59.:06:03.

and conceding just four goals, thanks in part to my guests,

:06:04.:06:07.

It was only two years ago that Manchester City Women

:06:08.:06:15.

You won the League Cup in your debut season,

:06:16.:06:19.

now you're winning the league and playing in the Champions League.

:06:20.:06:21.

How has this incredible rise come about?

:06:22.:06:27.

Through hard work and having a club that is so supportive of every

:06:28.:06:33.

player, to try to give them the best chance of being the best player they

:06:34.:06:38.

can be. I have been there for three years, the Amos to win as many

:06:39.:06:42.

trophies as possible, and to be able to win a double this season is

:06:43.:06:47.

unbelievable. I am so glad you have brought the trophy along. Tell us

:06:48.:06:52.

about the club and the setup. You fully under the men's umbrella. It

:06:53.:06:56.

seems to be bringing about results on the pitch. We get a lot of

:06:57.:07:02.

support off the pitch from the whole club, we are treated the same as

:07:03.:07:06.

anyone else, from the boys to the first team, we train on all the

:07:07.:07:11.

pitches, we have the same staff members, a beautiful stadium, just

:07:12.:07:15.

like the men, we get a lot of support, and it has helped us this

:07:16.:07:20.

year and in previous years. It has set the standard for women's

:07:21.:07:24.

football in the world, a lot of clubs will want to replicate

:07:25.:07:29.

something similar. That is interesting, it was Arsenal that

:07:30.:07:32.

dominated the women's game for so long. Is it your time now? Arsenal

:07:33.:07:40.

were a great football club, we try to be like them, but now we are now

:07:41.:07:47.

setting the standard, we full-time professionals, fantastic facilities,

:07:48.:07:50.

everything a female footballer could want. We have been successful, and

:07:51.:07:56.

now it is all about maintaining these trophies come up with a view

:07:57.:08:01.

more to come. The queue row championships are coming up, you are

:08:02.:08:06.

on an unbeaten run, nine games, so you must be feeling positive,

:08:07.:08:09.

especially because you had such a great World Cup, finishing third?

:08:10.:08:15.

Definitely. We just play differently against France, one of the teams to

:08:16.:08:19.

beat, and we drew with them, we could have picked a winner in the

:08:20.:08:23.

end. We are getting good results, it is good confidence. We topped our

:08:24.:08:28.

group. The draw is next week, so hopefully we get an exciting draw.

:08:29.:08:32.

Loads of friendlies coming up next year, so we will be the best paired

:08:33.:08:36.

we have ever been for a tournament, so hopefully that brings success.

:08:37.:08:41.

You are playing the hosts, the Netherlands, at the end of next

:08:42.:08:45.

month, so all the best for that. The Champions League coming up next

:08:46.:08:48.

week, so all the best for that as well.

:08:49.:08:51.

It's a little-understood condition which can have devastating effects.

:08:52.:08:55.

Chronic fatigue syndrome, also known as ME, is thought

:08:56.:08:58.

to affect one in 50 children, leading to mental-health

:08:59.:09:00.

Those affected suffer from severe exhaustion and often struggle

:09:01.:09:05.

Now, a therapy that successfully treats two thirds of children

:09:06.:09:10.

with chronic fatigue syndrome is being trialled for NHS use.

:09:11.:09:14.

The trial will use a form of behavioural therapy to adjust

:09:15.:09:19.

Let's talk now to Professor Esther Crawley in Bristol,

:09:20.:09:25.

who is leading this trial, Mary-Jane Willows,

:09:26.:09:30.

from the charity AYME, which supports young ME sufferers,

:09:31.:09:34.

Lizzie Horgan, who was diagnosed last year with ME and has since been

:09:35.:09:38.

able to return to work after receiving CBT treatment,

:09:39.:09:42.

and Jane Colby, the executive director of Tymes Trust,

:09:43.:09:45.

which helps young CFS sufferers, and who does not agree that this

:09:46.:09:50.

is the right form of treatment for the condition.

:09:51.:09:59.

You were diagnosed, a year ago, tell us what happened. I was diagnosed

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last March. At the very end of February was when my symptoms

:10:16.:10:21.

reached a peak. I became really unwell and I was diagnosed in March.

:10:22.:10:27.

What were the symptoms? I have been feeling incredibly exhausted,

:10:28.:10:29.

despite living a really healthy lifestyle, I love my job, my social

:10:30.:10:35.

life, going to the gym, and despite trying to find every single way to

:10:36.:10:42.

boost my energy levels, every day I was waking up feeling completely

:10:43.:10:46.

un-arrested after sleep. That is how it began. I started to feel faint,

:10:47.:10:50.

noxious and dizzy. I suffered with brain fog, I struggled to put my

:10:51.:10:56.

thoughts in order. I was terrified I had no idea what was happening to

:10:57.:11:01.

me. I came home after work one day with an incessant muscle ache, I

:11:02.:11:06.

went to bed, I woke up in the morning and went to my bathroom and

:11:07.:11:09.

passed out. My mum came in and found me. I was unable to but any coherent

:11:10.:11:18.

thought together. I found it really difficult to move my limbs with any

:11:19.:11:24.

ease at all. You have to stop work. Straightaway. I was devastated. Look

:11:25.:11:32.

at you now. What happened? You had CBT. Both at the first form of

:11:33.:11:41.

treatment you had? The first thing I did was to cut back on everything I

:11:42.:11:47.

was doing, I had no choice but to lie in bed, sitting up in bed was

:11:48.:11:52.

enough to make me incredibly notions and faint and dizzy. I was told

:11:53.:12:02.

about CBT by my GP. At first I was quite reluctant, because I could not

:12:03.:12:04.

understand how something that I thought of as behavioural was going

:12:05.:12:10.

to help illness that is so obvious as being biological. The CBT really

:12:11.:12:15.

helped me to distinguish a difference between myself and the

:12:16.:12:21.

illness. I was lazy with an illness, it was not a part of who I was. --

:12:22.:12:30.

Lizzie. And it helped me manage the boom and bust cycle, you feel so

:12:31.:12:34.

guilty about doing nothing, as soon as you feel a tiny bit better, you

:12:35.:12:40.

plan to do things, and you end up back at square one. You end up in

:12:41.:12:43.

this horrible pattern where your symptoms gradually become worse.

:12:44.:12:45.

Professor Crawley, you are heading up this study, what is your goal?

:12:46.:12:57.

Indications are this can help two thirds of people. Why does it work?

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What a perfect description from Lizzie about this awful illness.

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What we do is we work very hard to change both the sleep and the

:13:14.:13:19.

activity that people do. It has a potent biological effect. View

:13:20.:13:24.

change sleep, you change how the brain produces cortisol, you change

:13:25.:13:27.

the hormones and a lot of biology for that person. With changing them

:13:28.:13:32.

doing a lot of exercise one day and not much the next, that seems to be

:13:33.:13:38.

extremely effective. It is much more effective in children than in

:13:39.:13:43.

adults. The tragedy in the UK, most children do not have access to

:13:44.:13:46.

treatment. The implications when you talk about CBT, that it might

:13:47.:13:55.

indicate that it has psychological causes rather than biological, but

:13:56.:13:59.

what you are describing is talking about changing the chemicals in your

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body as a result of changing your behaviour, somehow does the jigsaw

:14:05.:14:11.

fit together? I think it is a biological illness, we know that

:14:12.:14:15.

children are vulnerable to getting it, so we know it runs in families,

:14:16.:14:18.

identical twins are much more likely to get it than siblings. In children

:14:19.:14:25.

in particular it is triggered by a virus or bacterial infection. The

:14:26.:14:29.

evidence is it is not a particular book that is important, but how bad

:14:30.:14:34.

the infection is. That feels quite biological to me. It is true that

:14:35.:14:39.

the illness is so devastating and awful for teenagers that about a

:14:40.:14:44.

third end up getting fed up and anxious. My surprise when I see how

:14:45.:14:49.

will these children are, it is not more than that. Why does it work in

:14:50.:14:53.

some people but not in others? We think the syndrome is several

:14:54.:14:58.

different illnesses with different underlying biology and different

:14:59.:15:02.

mechanisms. The message that is really important is that teenagers

:15:03.:15:05.

have the right to different types of treatment. What we need to do is

:15:06.:15:12.

find out which treatments are effective, said teenagers throughout

:15:13.:15:15.

the UK can have access to anything that might help them. You don't like

:15:16.:15:27.

this idea of CBT treatment. Why is that? I love think it as simple as

:15:28.:15:34.

that. The fact someone has got a serious physical illness, I've been

:15:35.:15:44.

there myself as a result of complications, they are completely

:15:45.:15:47.

bedridden, may be hardly able to eat or move or have to be tube fed,

:15:48.:15:51.

seriously ill people, and if you give people like that some kind of

:15:52.:15:57.

CBT which encourages them to feel their illness belief is wrong, which

:15:58.:16:00.

tends to happen with a number of people who deliver CBT, you

:16:01.:16:14.

encourage them to do too much. They are dealing with this and MP was

:16:15.:16:23.

initially defined as an illness were making a little bit of effort would

:16:24.:16:29.

make you a lot worse. -- ME. It was defined as very variable with an

:16:30.:16:32.

alarming tendency to become chronic and that has been backed up by the

:16:33.:16:37.

American Institute of medicine. I think people who've got these

:16:38.:16:42.

classic cases of very severe ME are different from those who have other

:16:43.:16:44.

types of fatiguing illness. The umbrella is pulling in people with

:16:45.:16:53.

these classic illnesses which is not a mixture of illnesses. We know this

:16:54.:17:05.

is heterogeneous. You need to be very careful what you are doing with

:17:06.:17:07.

the patient selection. You've had CBT yourself. What do you

:17:08.:17:26.

think about it? I am the chief executive of this organisation and

:17:27.:17:29.

nobody is saying it will help everybody. We are seeing the

:17:30.:17:33.

opposite. The previous study helped 68% and if we could achieve anything

:17:34.:17:37.

like that it would be something. What would be wrong would be to not

:17:38.:17:42.

deliver anything to those children whilst we wait to find out more. If

:17:43.:17:49.

we could help 60% of children we should go ahead and do that. Of

:17:50.:17:55.

course we need more research but this is not targeted as those, many

:17:56.:18:05.

of those I support, I go to their homes, help them get medical care

:18:06.:18:12.

and treatment. It is devastating, but these children are the ones that

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can access CBT. Do you think if treatment was done early enough it

:18:18.:18:24.

might stop those kids who end up bedridden, or is it effectively a

:18:25.:18:29.

completely different strain of the disease? We don't know the answer to

:18:30.:18:39.

that but if we can offer treatment earlier we. Children getting really

:18:40.:18:44.

sick. To come back on something Jane said, she implied doing CBT made

:18:45.:18:50.

children do more. Children with chronic fatigue syndrome, most of

:18:51.:18:54.

the ones who come, it is exactly what she says, we are trying to stop

:18:55.:19:00.

them from being in this position, and that varies depending on how

:19:01.:19:07.

severe they are. Children with chronic fatigue syndrome want to get

:19:08.:19:12.

back to school and get back to their life, we should be offering

:19:13.:19:16.

treatment throughout the UK. Responding to that, does that

:19:17.:19:21.

persuade you? I can see the point cheesemaking. That's not the point

:19:22.:19:29.

I'm making. I'm seeing if these children and their parents are told

:19:30.:19:32.

this is probably going to help and then it doesn't help, they are not

:19:33.:19:39.

believed very often. What is happening but we see happening a

:19:40.:19:43.

lot, unfortunately, is when this doesn't improve the condition, then

:19:44.:19:49.

the parent gets accused of making the child ill, or the child is made

:19:50.:19:54.

to feel it is their fault. It leads to these erroneous

:19:55.:20:10.

allegations of child abuse against the parents. We have seen many cases

:20:11.:20:17.

of this and not one of them has been proven to be child abuse. This

:20:18.:20:22.

happens when psychological treatment is given and it does not work. We

:20:23.:20:33.

are almost out of time. We support those families as well. My belief is

:20:34.:20:39.

it comes from a lack of awareness and understanding and hopefully

:20:40.:20:42.

programmes like this will raise awareness and understanding because

:20:43.:20:47.

at the moment teachers and GPs and families do not understand it and

:20:48.:20:50.

these cases are happening but in the meantime we need to help children

:20:51.:20:57.

and young people. We've got to go to that news conference. Campaigners

:20:58.:21:07.

seeking judicial review of the decision to rule out an enquiry. The

:21:08.:21:14.

truth and Justice campaign are holding a news conference right now

:21:15.:21:15.

and we can go there alive. I don't know what's been said

:21:16.:21:30.

already so I may be repeating some of the things but the news yesterday

:21:31.:21:37.

was devastating and shocking. We've tried and tried to get advance

:21:38.:21:40.

notice of that announcement and the Home Office would not play ball with

:21:41.:21:46.

us at all. They've treated us in a disgraceful way, after the meeting

:21:47.:21:53.

in September which we regarded as positive and constructive, we came

:21:54.:22:01.

out of that on a high, thinking we were going to get something. A

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couple of days later we received an e-mail from Nicky Burgess, and

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Barada's Private secretary, very positive, -- Amber Rudd's private

:22:16.:22:21.

secretary. It said how interesting it was to hear the stories and how

:22:22.:22:29.

impressed Amber Rudd was... We unfortunately have a technical issue

:22:30.:22:33.

with our line to that news conference. We will try to fix it

:22:34.:22:38.

and go back as soon as we can. That news conference under way into that

:22:39.:22:42.

position for the not to be an enquiry into what happened at

:22:43.:22:57.

Orgreave. Now to American politics. Hillary Clinton says she is

:22:58.:23:02.

confident an FBI investigation will find she has no case to answer.

:23:03.:23:06.

Opinion polls suggest this announcement has boosted support for

:23:07.:23:08.

Donald Trump. Here is what we know. What does this disgraced congressmen

:23:09.:23:29.

have to do with Hillary Clinton's chance of winning the White House,

:23:30.:23:35.

it comes down to one thing, e-mails. This is when she was the top

:23:36.:23:39.

diplomat. She was offered an official e-mail address. She decided

:23:40.:23:44.

not to use it. She instead used her personal e-mail through a private

:23:45.:23:49.

server. She says it was all a matter of convenience and that that was

:23:50.:23:56.

easier, using one e-mail account on one smartphone. It would have been

:23:57.:24:00.

better if I'd simply used a second e-mail account and carried a second

:24:01.:24:04.

phone that at the time this did not seem like an issue. But it's against

:24:05.:24:09.

state Department protocol because government e-mails are considered

:24:10.:24:12.

official documents and they need to be archived. Another concern about

:24:13.:24:16.

this was whether Hillary Clinton was, by using her personal e-mail

:24:17.:24:19.

server, compromising government secrets. There is evidence they were

:24:20.:24:27.

extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive classified

:24:28.:24:34.

information. The FBI cleared her of criminal charges but that's not the

:24:35.:24:38.

end of it. It comes back to the sky, the disgraced congressmen. They

:24:39.:24:56.

found e-mails belonging to his wife. She is the Democratic nominee's top

:24:57.:25:03.

aide. The FBI are investigating the e-mails. We don't know if these are

:25:04.:25:13.

linked to Hillary Clinton but either way, e-mails are dominating the

:25:14.:25:17.

campaign. Let's take you back to the news

:25:18.:25:40.

conference. Seriously injured at Orgreave. So long as she didn't die,

:25:41.:25:47.

that's OK. She said there had been no miscarriage of justice. What was

:25:48.:25:58.

the trial about? There was a third thing that I just cannot think what

:25:59.:26:09.

it is. Had there been no convictions? There were no

:26:10.:26:14.

convictions because the trial collapsed. The state had their

:26:15.:26:22.

opportunity to prove miners were violent and they failed. So we've

:26:23.:26:28.

regarded the campaign is our opportunity to prove police

:26:29.:26:43.

violence. I was shocked, I was devastated, and I really pressed her

:26:44.:26:49.

on what she was saying to me. In a way you're just going through the

:26:50.:26:54.

motions because they will not change their mind. You are just holding the

:26:55.:27:10.

line in some way. But I got robbed from Channel 4 who was waiting in my

:27:11.:27:17.

living room. And Tom who was there from look North. I was aware that

:27:18.:27:20.

the media were downstairs and none of this was anticipating I would

:27:21.:27:26.

receive that phone call whilst the media was there. I was desperate to

:27:27.:27:38.

get off the phone without crying in front of Amber Rudd. This has been

:27:39.:27:52.

for years of hard work -- four years of hard work, it has taken over our

:27:53.:27:57.

lives. We've driven this issue from nothing on to the deaths of two home

:27:58.:28:01.

secretaries. We started off under a coalition government, now we are

:28:02.:28:11.

under a Tory led government. We've survived a change of Home Secretary

:28:12.:28:13.

from Theresa May to Amber arrived and you've got to keep rebuilding

:28:14.:28:20.

relationships -- trees are to Amber Rudd. We've survived three changes

:28:21.:28:28.

Shadow Home Secretary as well from Yvette Cooper to Andy Burnham and

:28:29.:28:35.

Diane Abbott. The campaign is still standing.

:28:36.:28:49.

That is Barbara Jackson speaking on behalf of those who want there to be

:28:50.:28:59.

an enquiry into the violence between police and striking miners at

:29:00.:29:03.

Orgreave. Seeking a judicial review of the government decision not to go

:29:04.:29:09.

ahead with an enquiry. Let's bring you some breaking news about the

:29:10.:29:17.

situation in Mosul. We've been telling you that Iraqi troops have

:29:18.:29:22.

entered and there are reports coming through that on Monday, Islamic

:29:23.:29:33.

State troops tried to take civilians from one area to Mosul. 25,000

:29:34.:29:47.

civilians tried to be taken on Monday but they were partly

:29:48.:29:59.

prevented by coalition aircraft. Spokesman saying there were reports

:30:00.:30:09.

of mass killings around Mosul. A reporter is on the move with Iraqi

:30:10.:30:16.

troops, embedded with them. We heard that Iraqi troops have entered Mosul

:30:17.:30:22.

but, separately, we are getting word from the United Nations about what

:30:23.:30:25.

Islamic State has been doing, and there are more reports of killings

:30:26.:30:33.

around Mosul and that report of an attempt to take 25,000 civilians

:30:34.:30:40.

forcibly into Mosul. They were partly prevented but that implies

:30:41.:30:44.

some civilians were taken in. Obviously a large number inside. We

:30:45.:30:46.

will keep you updated. The Chief of MI5 warns

:30:47.:30:49.

against Russia's "increasingly aggressive ways"

:30:50.:30:53.

involving espionage, Adele has opened up about her battle

:30:54.:30:56.

with postnatal depression after the birth of her son

:30:57.:31:01.

Angelo, saying it left We'll ask if her honesty

:31:02.:31:04.

will help other women. We will talk to some women who have

:31:05.:31:17.

experience of the condition. Let us know your thoughts as well.

:31:18.:31:19.

With the news, here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom.

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Elite Iraqi troops have entered the outskirts of the city of Mosul,

:31:22.:31:24.

where they're engaging in fierce fighting with Islamic

:31:25.:31:26.

Government troops have been advancing on Mosul from the south.

:31:27.:31:33.

The United Nations have received reports of mass killings by Islamic

:31:34.:31:38.

State around the city. Government troops have been

:31:39.:31:40.

advancing on Mosul from the south. They are part of a major offensive

:31:41.:31:43.

which began more than two weeks ago. Our international correspondent

:31:44.:31:46.

Ian Pannell and cameraman Darren Conway are travelling

:31:47.:31:48.

with the Iraqi special forces, We are on the fringes of Mosul, not

:31:49.:32:01.

into the city proper. I am surrounded by armoured Humvees,

:32:02.:32:03.

thanks to my left, there has been a lot of incoming fire from the

:32:04.:32:08.

Islamic State position, pinning down these troops. They have been moving

:32:09.:32:13.

rather rapidly into cities much faster than many people had

:32:14.:32:19.

expected. A lot of weapons fired out, and some fired in, rocket

:32:20.:32:23.

propelled grenades, mortars, snipers are out there as well. In the last

:32:24.:32:29.

few moments, there was an aerial strike from coalition jets. The air

:32:30.:32:34.

is thick with dust and the smell of smoke will stop it is a confused

:32:35.:32:39.

situation, but we are sitting still before they try to get into Mosul.

:32:40.:32:42.

Measures to protect the UK from cyber attacks are being

:32:43.:32:44.

announced by the government in a new strategy, backed up

:32:45.:32:48.

by nearly ?2 billion worth of funding.

:32:49.:32:50.

The expected threats range from foreign states to organised

:32:51.:32:52.

Chancellor Philip Hammond will give details in a speech later.

:32:53.:32:57.

The initiative comes as two hospital trusts in Lincolnshire said

:32:58.:33:00.

they have cancelled operations after a computer virus caused

:33:01.:33:03.

A new therapy that a study suggests can successfully treat two thirds

:33:04.:33:09.

of children with chronic fatigue syndrome is being

:33:10.:33:12.

In England, up to one in 50 children have the syndrome,

:33:13.:33:17.

The online treatment trial will target more than 700

:33:18.:33:21.

children and teenagers, many of whom live too far away

:33:22.:33:25.

from the specialist services which might help them recover.

:33:26.:33:30.

A major teaching hospital in London is to be placed

:33:31.:33:33.

in to special measures, after inspectors rated the NHS Trust

:33:34.:33:36.

as inadequate when it came to safety and leadership.

:33:37.:33:40.

Criticisms of St George's University Hospitals included

:33:41.:33:43.

poor infection control, operating theatres in disrepair

:33:44.:33:46.

and a danger that water could become contaminated.

:33:47.:33:50.

It will become the 18th NHS Trust to be in special

:33:51.:33:52.

A gang of bikers has caused traffic chaos during a Halloween ride around

:33:53.:34:01.

The group of around 50 off-road motorcycles and quad bikes

:34:02.:34:05.

brought Kirkstall Road, a major route into Leeds,

:34:06.:34:07.

Witnesses posted videos on Twitter and described the scenes

:34:08.:34:11.

as being similar to those in the Mel Gibson film Mad Max.

:34:12.:34:15.

Police closed the road until the group had dispersed.

:34:16.:34:21.

That's a summary of the latest news, join me for BBC

:34:22.:34:24.

Jockey Freddie Tylicki remains in intensive care with suspected

:34:25.:34:33.

spinal injuries after a fall at Kempton yesterday.

:34:34.:34:37.

The champion jockey Jim Crowley was also hurt, but has since been

:34:38.:34:41.

The English, Welsh and Scottish FAs are in talks with Fifa over

:34:42.:34:48.

whether players can wear poppies on their shirts, like those seen

:34:49.:34:51.

here in the Premier League at the weekend, for their World Cup

:34:52.:34:54.

The game's world governing body bans political,

:34:55.:34:57.

Wilfied Bony scored his first two goals for Stoke,

:34:58.:35:03.

as they beat his struggling former club Swansea 3-1 in

:35:04.:35:06.

Bob Bradley's side remain deep in the relegation zone,

:35:07.:35:10.

without a win since the opening day of the season.

:35:11.:35:13.

And Wales' rugby-union captain Sam Warburton is out

:35:14.:35:21.

of their opening autumn Test against Australia

:35:22.:35:23.

Justin Tipuric is likely to replace him for the first match

:35:24.:35:26.

More sport on the BBC News channel through the day.

:35:27.:35:38.

The chief of MI5 has warned that Russia is adopting an "increasingly

:35:39.:35:41.

aggressive" approach to pursuing its foreign policy

:35:42.:35:44.

goals, including propaganda, spying and cyberattacks.

:35:45.:35:45.

In an interview with the Guardian newspaper, the security

:35:46.:35:48.

service's director general Andrew Parker said Russia had been

:35:49.:35:50.

a "covert threat" for decades but there were now more methods

:35:51.:35:54.

This is really interesting, what is he saying? The job of MI5 for

:35:55.:36:14.

decades is to hunt for spies, look at what foreign intelligence

:36:15.:36:16.

services are trying to do in Britain. It has done that

:36:17.:36:21.

traditionally for a long time, but Andrew Parker is pointing to

:36:22.:36:24.

increasingly aggressive Russian spying, using different techniques.

:36:25.:36:30.

Russia has always spied on Britain, but if you things have changed.

:36:31.:36:33.

Cyberspace, the ability to reach into businesses and Government in a

:36:34.:36:40.

different way, because of the Internet, to steal secrets. That is

:36:41.:36:44.

traditional espionage done in a new way. We have also seen more

:36:45.:36:47.

aggressive Russian behaviour in the last few years. Not so much in

:36:48.:36:53.

Britain, and in other countries, where they have used cyber attacks

:36:54.:36:56.

to switch off power in some countries. We have seen it in the

:36:57.:37:02.

American election, allegedly to hack the e-mails of Hillary Clinton and

:37:03.:37:06.

see them released. Using intelligence and information more

:37:07.:37:08.

aggressively as well as doing more of it using cyberspace. It is naive

:37:09.:37:13.

to think that this does not go on, but why is it going on? You have

:37:14.:37:20.

given some examples. Espionage has gone on through the ages. The bit

:37:21.:37:24.

about stealing secrets has been going on for a long time, and is

:37:25.:37:29.

done by Britain and America, we try to steal Russian secrets, they try

:37:30.:37:33.

similar techniques. Where it is different is we have seen this more

:37:34.:37:39.

aggressive use of spying and technology, releasing information,

:37:40.:37:41.

hacking systems to take them off-line. That is emblematic of the

:37:42.:37:48.

poor relations between the West and Russia recently. It shows, a lot of

:37:49.:37:54.

analysts believe, Russia pushing to see how far it can go to see what it

:37:55.:37:59.

can do to disrupt and cause trouble. And to use it as a tool of its wider

:38:00.:38:04.

interests to assert its own power and the Minish id adversaries. This

:38:05.:38:09.

has become used more aggressively, especially in the last couple of

:38:10.:38:16.

years by Russia, as relations have deteriorated. How good are and what

:38:17.:38:19.

authorities at protecting us? That is what this announcement is about

:38:20.:38:26.

today. Philip Hammond talking about building defences better, GCHQ and

:38:27.:38:34.

its new national centre defending businesses and Government at scale

:38:35.:38:36.

better, increasing the skills in the country, so we have more people

:38:37.:38:42.

capable of doing the defence, and raising public awareness, because

:38:43.:38:44.

some attacks will come through people clicking on an e-mail, not

:38:45.:38:48.

updating their computer systems, so there is a role for businesses and

:38:49.:38:52.

people to try and defend themselves better against some of the cyber

:38:53.:38:55.

attacks which come from all kinds of countries and actors, criminals as

:38:56.:39:01.

well as states. I will speak later to somebody from a hospital which is

:39:02.:39:05.

currently under cyber attack and it is causing all sorts of problems

:39:06.:39:10.

there. And I will talk to a cyber security expert.

:39:11.:39:14.

And, the Government says the UK will strike back if it comes under cyber

:39:15.:39:18.

attack. As I mentioned, we will talk a bit more about the package of

:39:19.:39:23.

measures that Gordon mentioned to defend against hackers and online

:39:24.:39:29.

threats. Stay with us for that. Let us know if you have had any

:39:30.:39:34.

experiences of anything like that. Two school friends have become an

:39:35.:39:36.

Internet sensation after they created some special Halloween

:39:37.:39:44.

costumes. One of them, Jewish, and another, a Muslim, teamed up and

:39:45.:39:48.

gained tens of thousands of likes and retweet. One of the fathers said

:39:49.:39:58.

how proud he was of them. My daughter is 13. Her friend is

:39:59.:40:06.

also 13. She has been raised Jewish, her friend is raised Muslim. For

:40:07.:40:11.

Halloween they decided to be the Juslims. It was not a political or

:40:12.:40:16.

social statement or a stance. It was not in the name of ridges pride or

:40:17.:40:18.

America's diversity... Lot of you getting in touch on the

:40:19.:41:30.

conversation about CBT and is being used to treat ME. Barbara says, CBT

:41:31.:41:39.

and nice thoughts are not the answer, it is more about attention

:41:40.:41:44.

to relaxation, like time away from mobile phones, which drains brain

:41:45.:41:49.

energy. Margaret says, so pleased this condition is being discussed,

:41:50.:41:53.

my daughter suffered in 1990. She spent six months in bed or stop at

:41:54.:41:59.

that time it was not recognised as the debilitating condition it is,

:42:00.:42:03.

and it was an extremely worrying time, as support. Available. Mark

:42:04.:42:09.

says, this suggests it is in the mind and not a physical illness.

:42:10.:42:14.

This infuriates sufferers. One person says, I have had it since I

:42:15.:42:19.

was a teenager, but nothing was that for me. I was tired all the time as

:42:20.:42:23.

a child and young adults but was told I was just lazy and stupid. I

:42:24.:42:29.

would like to know if there is going to be any help for people who only

:42:30.:42:32.

found out recently that they have the illness. Keep your comments

:42:33.:42:37.

coming through. Also on the next conversation.

:42:38.:42:38.

Adele has revealed that she suffered with post-natal depression

:42:39.:42:44.

after giving birth to her son four years ago.

:42:45.:42:46.

She says that at the time it made her feel like she'd made

:42:47.:42:49.

the worst decision of her life, even though she was

:42:50.:42:51.

And that the experience has now left her "too scared"

:42:52.:42:55.

Speaking candidly to Vanity Fair magazine, the usually-private singer

:42:56.:42:59.

The 28-year-old songstress says she managed to deal with the

:43:00.:43:25.

mental-health problem by taking time out for herself

:43:26.:43:28.

and after her partner advised her to talk to other mothers.

:43:29.:43:34.

Adele admits that the depression "lifted" once she confided

:43:35.:43:36.

in a friend who had a child and realised she wasn't alone.

:43:37.:43:42.

Jessica suffered with postnatal depression after she had her first

:43:43.:43:47.

child for years ago. She has set up an online group to help other

:43:48.:43:50.

mothers. Bethany had postnatal depression with her first son and

:43:51.:43:54.

antenatal depression with her second child. Amanda is a consultant

:43:55.:44:01.

perinatal psychotherapist, the clinical lead for payment and infant

:44:02.:44:05.

mental health services at North East London NHS Foundation Trust.

:44:06.:44:11.

Jessica, you had a difficult experience yourself. When you hear

:44:12.:44:15.

Adele talking about this, does it give you some comfort? Yes, it helps

:44:16.:44:22.

that it is in the spotlight, because as she says, a lot of people don't

:44:23.:44:26.

talk about it. Sometimes it is to be. I am glad that she is speaking

:44:27.:44:32.

out about it. I am quite open about my experience will stop it helps

:44:33.:44:37.

other mothers when I talk to them about my experience. You said it is

:44:38.:44:41.

still to be. Like with anything which is common, it is strange to

:44:42.:44:47.

think that it is so little talked about. Why did you think it is? What

:44:48.:44:52.

are the pressures on new mothers and the difficulties in raising a flag

:44:53.:44:56.

when it is difficult? You are expected to know what to do, to curb

:44:57.:45:06.

straightaway. I felt I was a strong person, I never thought I would get

:45:07.:45:13.

anything like that. I doubted I had anything, I doubted I was up for

:45:14.:45:16.

four months until I finally accepted it. I did not tell anybody about it.

:45:17.:45:24.

I felt almost ashamed that I felt angry and my child, because my child

:45:25.:45:28.

would not sleep or feed properly, and rip at myself, almost like a

:45:29.:45:30.

mother. What was your experiences? I'm

:45:31.:45:43.

pretty much in agreement with everything you said. I felt like I

:45:44.:45:46.

had to be perfect at something I'd never done before. I had a high

:45:47.:45:50.

needs baby who cried, had colic, it was a struggle and if you don't have

:45:51.:45:56.

friends who are in the same position as you, you're on your own. It's

:45:57.:46:04.

hard. There was very little support for me when I had my first son. It's

:46:05.:46:13.

hard. You've got this tiny little baby and you should be overjoyed

:46:14.:46:19.

with it, and actually you are tired, you cannot wash your hair without

:46:20.:46:22.

your baby crying, you feel like you're failing. It needs to be

:46:23.:46:28.

talked about more. Mums need to talk to each other. It is normal. I

:46:29.:46:32.

thought it was something someone else gets. Actually, it's a mental

:46:33.:46:39.

health problem. It's something everybody else can get. Regardless

:46:40.:46:51.

of background or will you come from. And Adel talking about it is the

:46:52.:46:55.

point you're making. What do you think about that? Anything that can

:46:56.:47:07.

lessen a mother's sense of shame, somehow feeling in a way they should

:47:08.:47:16.

not feel, the guilt, also, what is so helpful for mothers is not to

:47:17.:47:23.

feel isolated. I think it's such a common problem. When you were

:47:24.:47:27.

talking about having a high needs baby, they've got such overwhelming

:47:28.:47:31.

emotions, if you are on your own, struggling to try and make sense of

:47:32.:47:36.

how your baby is communicating, it can feel really heartbreaking. I

:47:37.:47:41.

think those points have been well made about the isolation. The other

:47:42.:47:48.

thing Adele said is interesting, but one in particular, when she said,

:47:49.:47:55.

when she started speaking about it she discovered she had for friends

:47:56.:48:00.

-- four friends who were going through it, if you start assuming

:48:01.:48:05.

everyone else is fine, you will never find out you're all

:48:06.:48:13.

experiencing the same thing. You are nodding. When you started speaking,

:48:14.:48:21.

did you find that? I felt isolated, and when I came back from the

:48:22.:48:27.

doctor, I set up a Facebook group for local mums for support in

:48:28.:48:35.

general, with raising children, and out of that there was a group for

:48:36.:48:46.

mums like me suffering from postnatal depression. I found out I

:48:47.:48:54.

was not strange, other people, they came up and talked to me, I thought

:48:55.:49:07.

I was struggling but it is good to know there was another one out

:49:08.:49:16.

there. We did not need to talk about how we were struggling today. One of

:49:17.:49:27.

the other things Adele said helped was giving herself an afternoon off

:49:28.:49:33.

a week from the baby and one friend said, don't you feel bad about it,

:49:34.:49:38.

and she said, yes, but not as bad as if I did not have that time off.

:49:39.:49:48.

What would your advice be to that? There is that saying that it takes

:49:49.:49:56.

five adults to raise a child, that family context, being able to share

:49:57.:50:04.

the responsibility is really important. Thinking about the

:50:05.:50:09.

isolation, if you don't feel you've got that really strong family system

:50:10.:50:24.

to support the mother, it's really difficult. I think Adele is talking

:50:25.:50:27.

about her situation but in the service were I work, we get

:50:28.:50:37.

thousands of referrals. We cannot accept all those referrals but we

:50:38.:50:42.

can accept a great deal of them and the point I'm making, that is 10% of

:50:43.:50:50.

the women being identified and that is not as many as are out there.

:50:51.:51:01.

They are getting some very good psychological treatments which they

:51:02.:51:05.

deserve to have access to, sometimes antidepressants medication can be

:51:06.:51:11.

very helpful. The less it is stigmatised and the more mothers

:51:12.:51:15.

feel able to say they are feeling ill at a time when they need to be

:51:16.:51:24.

there for their baby, she needs to have prompt referral, it should not

:51:25.:51:36.

be left to community support. It's great to talk to you all. Thank you

:51:37.:51:43.

for sharing your advice. Gratitude to Adele for sharing her experience

:51:44.:51:54.

and standing up to the stigma. One person says it is nice to hear this

:51:55.:51:59.

get coverage. They had never heard it was a real condition and so they

:52:00.:52:04.

just felt like a terrible mother. This would be very helpful to many

:52:05.:52:08.

mothers. Thank you to those comments. As the government prepares

:52:09.:52:15.

to unveil measures about cyber attacks, one hospital trust is being

:52:16.:52:22.

affected right now. They've been forced to cancel procedures after

:52:23.:52:27.

they were hit by a cyber attack. We can speak to the medical director.

:52:28.:52:33.

We've got to speak to him on the phone because his video line from

:52:34.:52:38.

the hospital has been taken out in the attack. Tell us when it started

:52:39.:52:46.

and what it is doing. This started on Sunday evening when we started to

:52:47.:52:53.

notice several pieces of our software did not work, they were

:52:54.:53:03.

getting slower and slower. We got our IT teams in and they thought it

:53:04.:53:08.

could be a virus so we brought in a cyber team to look through the

:53:09.:53:13.

software and they were able to establish that yes, indeed, we did

:53:14.:53:21.

have a virus. On the recommendation from our experts, to clean this

:53:22.:53:28.

effectively we would have to shut down virtually every piece of IT

:53:29.:53:33.

software throughout the organisation. We spent most of

:53:34.:53:38.

yesterday working out what that would mean and late yesterday

:53:39.:53:41.

morning we started shutting down just about everything so they could

:53:42.:53:52.

start cleaning it. Is there any suggestion about who would attack

:53:53.:53:56.

the hospital and why? Our priority is getting the system back up and

:53:57.:54:08.

running. As I understand it, viruses may be released into the Internet

:54:09.:54:13.

and spin around all the time. Whether we've been directly targeted

:54:14.:54:21.

or just unlucky, we don't know at the moment. Clearly that will be

:54:22.:54:25.

something of huge interest once we get our position recovered but at

:54:26.:54:30.

the moment it is not clear where this has come from, the exact point

:54:31.:54:35.

of origin. Thank you for joining us, hope you get it all up and running

:54:36.:54:40.

as quickly as possible. It indicates how dependent we all are on

:54:41.:54:48.

computers. The top story, Iraqi forces have entered Mosul. Our

:54:49.:54:55.

defence correspondent is here. Donovan. -- Jonathan, tell us what

:54:56.:55:04.

is going on with Mosul because we know the Iraqi forces have gone in.

:55:05.:55:08.

We are separately hearing from the United Nations about what is

:55:09.:55:19.

happening on the ground. What we now Noel is -- what we know is they've

:55:20.:55:21.

entered the eastern limit of the city. This is one unit. There are

:55:22.:55:27.

lots of Iraqi units around. Some of them have advanced further. What

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we're hearing is the fighting is intensifying, as you would expect.

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The US has offered concerns about families being taken as human

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shields. They will use civilians as the fighting enters the city. It

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will be much harder than we've seen before. They will surround the city,

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the defences will be much tougher to breach as well. They will be

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roadside bombs, there will be suicide bombs, the fighting will

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intensify. How close will this contact be? You can expect it will

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be clearing streets. In that situation it is much harder to

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fight. You'd expect them to take more casualties. The question is,

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can they sustain the fight? That intensified fight inside the city.

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That is one of the concerns about the logistics, the weapons they

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have, the tanks reuse. Clearly, it will be a more difficult job. You've

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recently been embedded yourself. Yes, you've got to look at the

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Golden division brigade. The special forces are elite troops. Not all the

:57:19.:57:26.

Iraqi forces are going to be in the same state. There will be questions

:57:27.:57:35.

when other units reach the city limits. What we've seen in the past

:57:36.:57:42.

with Iraqis, these special forces tend to push away into the city

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centre and then ran out to clear the area. This is going to take some

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time. You can expect it to take much longer depending on whether they

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flee. Remember, this is the last major city that Islamic State have

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held. The question is whether they will fight to the last man. Thank

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you. Plenty of coverage of that coming up. That is coming up next.

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Thank you for your company today. We will hopefully see you at the same

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time tomorrow. He's a scientist,

:58:24.:58:32.

brilliant apparently.

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