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Hello it's Monday, it's 9 o'clock, I'm Victoria Derbyshire,

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This morning, children living with facial disfigurements tell us

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about the bullying they're subjected to.

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I wasn't pretty enough to be in their group, they didn't want to be

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friends with me because I was wet, I looked different and didn't match

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them. They left me and isolated me. -- I was weird.

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One child was told "I'd kill myself if I looked like you" -

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we'll get reaction and ask if schools should do

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more to educate children about facial disfigurements.

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Also on the programme, as seven football clubs are linked

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to allegations of historical child sex abuse, we ask mums and dads

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watching their children play football in one junior

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league their reaction to the revelations.

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Very sad to think that you leave your children with someone you

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trust, and they are taken advantage of. It's just dreadful, absolutely

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dreadful. Their childhood has been taken away.

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And - they're out, no more of this year's novelty acts

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When I say honey, you say G. When I say honey, you say G.

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Hello, welcome to the programme, we're live until 11 this morning.

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Throughout the programme, we'll bring you the latest breaking news

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And we're really keen to hear your views

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on all the stories we're talking about.

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After 10.30 we'll be discussing IVF -

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a new study suggests almost none of the costly "add on" treatments

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offered by fertility clinics to boost success rates are backed up

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by scientific evidence proving that they actually work.

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If you've used them, do get in touch to share your experiences -

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use the hashtag #victorialive and if you text, you will be charged

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Our top story this morning - another legal challenge over Brexit.

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Pro-EU campaigners are seeking support from judges

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for their argument that Britain has to take separate action to leave

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the European Economic Area, known as the EEA, which gives us

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access to the single market and allows the free movement

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They say the UK will not leave that automatically when it leaves

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the European Union, and it should be up to MPs to decide.

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But the government says membership of the EEA ends

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I really hope you are following this. If not, we have got Norman.

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Start from the beginning. It is complicated, but the topline is the

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country is facing a potential double legal whammy over Brexit. Ministers

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are already facing a challenge in the courts to trigger Article 50, to

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leave the EU. Now some legal eagles have come up with a second challenge

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about leaving the single market. What it all boils down to is we are

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members of the single market for two reasons. One, we are in the EU, but

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we also in this other thing, the European economic area. And the

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argument of the legal eagles is we may leave the EU but we will still

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be in the European economic area, so we will still be in the single

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market. So they are now watching a legal challenge to say, in effect,

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if we are going to leave single market, the EEA, it is going to have

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to be approved by parliament. Almost a mirror image copy over the

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challenge of Article 50. Why this matters is the danger of the

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government sinking into a legal quagmire, dragging on for months and

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months. And there is one other issue. If we stay in the single

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market, then we will have to allow free movement. In other words, it

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will put the kibosh on Mrs May's attempt to curb migration from the

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EU into Britain. So potentially this could matter big-time. Understood.

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The Polish Prime Minister is in town meeting Theresa May. What can we

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expect? It is symbolic, a big Fandango of a meeting, they have

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come over with a whole load of Cameron ministers, meeting our

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Cabinet Ministers and it is designed to send a message. The message is

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that we are still going to be friends with other countries. -- a

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whole load of Cabinet Ministers. So we can still have good relationships

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with other EU countries. There is a second part to it. We are going to

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agree to send some of our soldiers to the Polish border. A lot of

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people suspect we are giving them a nudge and a wink, saying, you know

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what, we're going to give you some troops, maybe you can cut us a deal

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when it comes to Brexit. There is a suspicion that that is what today's

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talks are about. Joanna Gosling is in the BBC

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Newsroom with a summary The people of France have a clearer

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idea of who could be their next President

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after Francois Fillon was overwhelmingly chosen

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to represent the main centre-right Mr Fillon, a former prime minister

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under President Nicolas Sarkozy, told supporters he understood

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the gravity of the crisis facing France, promising what he calls

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a complete change to He will stand in April

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against a Socialist candidate that hasn't yet been

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selected and Marine Le Pen, US President-elect Donald Trump has

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claimed that millions of people voted illegally

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in the country's recent elections. In a tweet, Mr Trump said

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he would have won the popular vote ahead of his Democratic rival

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Hillary Clinton if those He offered no evidence

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to back up his claim. Mrs Clinton gained about two million

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votes more across the country as a whole, but Mr Trump secured

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the all-important electoral college Fighting has been continuing

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in several districts of eastern Aleppo, as the Syrian army

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and their allies continue their major offensive to retake

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control of the city. Pro-government forces are seeking

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to split the rebel-held zone Activists say several

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thousand civilians have fled since Saturday,

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both to government and other A record number of inmates have

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taken their own lives in prisons in England and Wales

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so far this year. Researchers for The Howard League

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for Penal Reform, say suicides have The Ministry of Justice has already

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pledged extra officers and special A new study suggests that almost

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none of the so-called "add on" treatments offered by fertility

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clinics to boost IVF success rates are backed up

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by scientific evidence. The research was commissioned

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by the BBC's Panorama programme, and is also published

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in the British Medical Journal. It found that of the 27 different

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treatments examined, only one was supported by even

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moderate evidence that it could increase the chances

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of having a baby. The extra procedures

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can cost up to ?3,500 Fertility problems affect about one

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in seven couples in the UK and treatment when not funded

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by the NHS may run into tens Even reputable fertility clinics

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offer a wide range of additional treatments designed to improve

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the chances of IVF working and these Embryos are put in special devices,

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there are additional But Panorama, which worked

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with the University of Oxford, found nearly every enhancement

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examined lacked high-quality evidence to show it made the process

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any more likely to result Some of these treatments are of no

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benefit to you whatsoever and some I can't understand how this has been

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allowed to happen in the UK. Jessica Hepburn spent ?70,000 on 11

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failed attempts and now campaigns These are doctors, we believe

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what doctors tell us. And this is a doctor that

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holds my happiness in his hands. The fertility regulator says it only

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has limited powers to prevent the add-ons being sold

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or to control pricing. But it does publish information

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about treatments so people can But the concern is patients face

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costly decisions when they're desperate for success and they may

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be of no benefit. The UK Independence Party

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will announce its new leader Nigel Farage has been holding

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the reins as interim leader since his successor,

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Diane James, stepped down after less The three candidates are the former

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deputy leader Paul Nuttall, former deputy chairman Suzanne Evans

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and party activist John Rees-Evans. The announcement will be live

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on the BBC News channel at 11.45. The families of some of the victims

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of the Birmingham pub bombings will use a hearing later to ask

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for financial help 21 people were killed in the blasts

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in November 1974. Six men were initially found guilty

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but their convictions Inquests into the deaths are due

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to reopen next year, with families seeking government

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support similar to the funding There are calls for more to be done

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to tackle discrimination of people A leading charity has told this

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programme that discrimination could even be worse than other

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forms, including racism, as very There are now calls to roll out

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an education programme across schools to promote

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what they call Face Equality. We'll be meeting children who've

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faced their own struggles with facial disfigurement

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in a special report at 9.15am. Ed Balls has left Strictly Come

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Dancing. He was a surprise star of the series, entertaining fans with

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memorable moves despite being bottom of the scoreboard. But this week,

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the public vote failed to save him and his partner.

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If people watching have had half the fun I've had learning to dance

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with Katya then they must have had a complete blast because it's

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The judges, all the supporters, the make-up team, the wardrobe,

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in particular that band are the best in the world.

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Some comments from you on facial discrimination. Suzanne: children

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should not experienced name-calling or worse just because they are

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different. Susan: when you have anything different, someone will

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always want to use it to hurt you. What satisfaction they get, who

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knows? Some people are ignorant and nasty. Still today people will sit

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there and make comments, even if they don't know you? Why? Marion: we

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are too preoccupied with looks and this needs stamping out. Good on you

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for highlighting it. The film is coming up in the next couple of

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minutes. Now some sport. Lewis Hamilton won

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the final Formula 1 race of the season but his team-mate Nico

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Rosberg won the Drivers' Championship, although team-mates, I

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use the word loosely! It has been a fascinating battle in

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the second half of the season. They drive for Mercedes but it has been a

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fractious friendship, if you can even call it friendship. The final

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race was in Abu Dhabi and Hamilton had to win the race and he needed

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Nico Rosberg to finish in fourth all over, so Hamilton on pole was

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deliberately driving slowly in an attempt to push Nico Rosberg into

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the other drivers behind him. Hamilton was repeatedly told by his

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team to speed up. He told them, let us race. It has been described as

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dirty tactics. It didn't quite work. Nico Rosberg, celebrating becoming

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world champion for the first time in his career. Something his father did

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in 1982. Hamilton is the one people were talking about. This is Rosberg

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celebrating by doing doughnuts. It certainly meant a dramatic final

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race of the season. Rosberg winning by five points in the end. Jose

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Mourinho is in trouble again. He's like a little boy, isn't he? You

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could say that. He was sent to the stands by the referee for the second

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time in two months, this time in the 1-1 draw against West Ham. He was

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annoyed by a yellow card given to Paul Pogba, as the referee felt that

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he dived. Kicking a water bottle. That got him sent to the stands by

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John Moss, the referee. He was also dismissed last month by a different

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referee and he was banned and find after the match against Burnley. The

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yellow card means Paul Pogba is suspended for the League Cup

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quarterfinal against West Ham, the team they were playing yesterday.

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Manchester United, 11 points behind the league leaders Chelsea.

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Frustration all round. Finally tennis, a moment of compassion in a

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hard-fought Davis Cup match. If you think Andy Murray is emotional,

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watch on Martin del Potro. Great Britain won the Davis Cup last year.

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This time it was Argentina against Croatia, and the Argentina fans are

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extraordinarily passionate. It was like being at a football match, del

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Potro in the Olympics. The fans are so noisy, they don't abide by the

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rules. Among the passion, Marin Cilic's serves, he hit a ball girl

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and del Potro stopped the match to make sure she was OK. This was an

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important match, the reverse singles, Argentina were 3-1 down by

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this point. She is crying. Del Potro asks for a replacement to be brought

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on. You can see the fans really enjoying the situation. She goes

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off, and actually del Potro goes on to win the match. Argentina went on

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to win the Davis Cup for the first time in their history, 3-2 against

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Croatia. The fans loved it and there was also a special Argentine there,

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Maradona enjoyed the occasion. He went a bit bonkers at some of the

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points. Argentina winning the Davis Cup. You can see him there.

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Argentina win the Davis Cup for the first time.

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"I'd kill myself if I had a face like yours."

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What one young boy with facial disfigurements was told.

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This morning we're going to be looking at the kind of abuse

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The UK's leading charity on facial abnormalities, Changing Faces,

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has told this programme face discrimination could even be worse

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than other forms, like racism, because very little is being done

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They want to roll out an education programme across schools nationally

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Our reporter Ashley John-Baptiste has been to meet children who've

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faced their own private struggles just because of their faces.

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The twin who doesn't look like the other.

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We can hear what people say and we can see that they are looking

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When I walk into town, I get stared at a lot.

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One guy said that I would be way hotter if I didn't have

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facial palsy and he would date me if I didn't.

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Different stories, but similar experiences.

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We are going to meet the children who are stared at, laughed at,

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We want to know how they and their families cope.

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It's like a grieving process, you haven't had the child that

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And we are testing whether the ground-breaking face pulling

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lessons are changing the way that children think.

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I want to see the world through the eyes of children that

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Billy's family have struggled to even take him out in public.

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At times it can be soul destroying, it really can because as a parent

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So you can see that his head is not a normal shape.

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He is a twin and he was born with a syndrome.

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All of this part here around his nose.

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The paediatric registrar didn't even refer to Billy as a baby,

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he just said, "I have never seen anything like it before".

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You have had kids who have seen Billy and have started crying.

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Not just crying, hysterically crying.

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Because they are scared of him and they think

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Billy is still really young, he is nine years old.

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Massively, because there is so much prejudice with

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He would just say, "Why is that boy staring at me or pointing at me?"

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You don't want to keep saying to him, well, your face

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is different, that is why they are looking at you all

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Marcus' disfigurement is just skin deep.

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He is 12 and he is a talented trampolinist.

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But he was born with a cleft, a gap in his face.

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In reception, I was the boy with a face.

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I was actually bullied because of the way that your face looks?

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Yes, some people have called me Scarface.

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One time, I was ten, someone came up to me and said,

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if they looks like me, they would kill themselves.

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After when I came home I just burst into tears.

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I thought right I think I need to go to school and sort it out.

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And he said, don't, you will just make things worse

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They don't listen, I tell the teachers and nothing changes,

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And I got in touch with Changing Faces.

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And they came to school, and spoke to the school about how

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The charity Changing Faces deals with face discrimination, set up

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Every single social interaction is problematic and so is what was

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going on here because my brain was saying people like you,

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people like you, looking like that, don't succeed.

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This kind of preconception about disfigurement happens

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Impressionable minds will pick up these things very quickly.

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This short survey is about the general public's

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We have asked a research company to come and test year fives,

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The children are being shown a series of faces and they have

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to match positive words like at the unsuccessful,

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or negative words like sad and I'm confident with the photos.

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Because it is your brain reaction, you can't cheat it.

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This is kind of an experiment for us.

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This test has never been used with children before

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and we are looking at how quickly people can associate positive words

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with images with people with facial disfigurement.

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Tests like this are used across the world to find out

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what we really think on subjects such as gender,

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People with facial disfigurements, are they as likely as being

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disfigured against as black people, women or gay people?

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I think that it is, as painful, but I don't think it is recognised.

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Virtually everyone who takes this is slower to be positive

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towards disfigured faces but the question is,

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Although you are slower at associating positive values

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of people with facial disfigurements is, you are only 11% slower.

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Adults in the UK that we have tested before at a score of 27%.

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The classes much more positive about facial disfigurement

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than the UK in general but the children are about to get

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We will test them tomorrow to see if there is a difference

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Looking different is tough for any kid, especially

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when you are a teenage girl and image is everything.

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I have come to Somerset, to talk to a young girl,

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that has a facial condition that means that she can't smile.

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Mainly that I was not pretty enough to be in their group and they did

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not want to be friends with me because I was weird or I looks

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not want to be friends with me because I was weird or I looked

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They just all left me and isolated me because of my face.

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Before the surgery with a smile, you can see happy little girl.

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Caitlin was only a little baby before she developed

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They took the whole tumour out and while doing that,

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they called the smiling nerve and as a result of that,

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So the whole side of her face dropped.

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I took are to have her photo taken with her brother

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and the photographer said, "Mum, what is she doing with her face?"

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And I was "what do you mean", and she said that silly face

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that she is pulling, and that is a photographer

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in a preschool and that is the first time that I broke down

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The preschool leader was trying to calm it all down

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and that is the point that I realise that nothing was going to be

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As a 14-year-old teenage girl, how important is image to you?

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I think very important, that is where everyone really

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On my Instagram comments, sometimes I get oh you are ugly,

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or you shouldn't be taking pictures like that.

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So I started taking pictures of half of my face instead of my whole face.

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The whole time, I put a lot of make up my eyes to distract people

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Seeing that children have two become resilient in the face of bullying.

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It still happens but I have my friends to help me.

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Did you ever see people poke fun at school?

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Yes, they were calling him Scarface but me and Connor, we back him up,

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Yes, because I acted normal, normal to everyone else.

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As soon as JJ said well he was the same as everybody else,

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When people point at Billy, what do you do?

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She's quite good with Billy because she defends him very well.

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But for Caitlin, primary school was hard.

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What did the school due to support you?

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They didn't feel like it was a big enough issue.

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If I found a magic lamp and I could have one wish,

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I wish that I would have a normal face and that no one

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I wish I could walk down the street without people seeing me,

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It is one of a few in the country teaching face equality.

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It started with the book Wonder, about a boy with a facial

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Compared with racism or homophobia or sexism, how important is it

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The school uses and lesson plans from Changing Faces.

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The charity wants to see it rolled out across the country.

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Why do you think so many schools are behind the trend in terms

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of supporting kids with facial disfigurement?

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It is the pressure they have got to get those academic results are,

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that is the biggest priority for most of the school.

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The children are also meeting markers and Caitlin.

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Well when I first went in there was a lot staring

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Was it kind of a bit more hard to make friends at school?

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It wasn't hard when I first started school but as I grew up and people

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grew up and we all started to realise I was a bit

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Just, it is not you with the problem.

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Once they started engaging with things that they had similar

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charities with such as Pokemon, those barriers just

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But has the lesson changed the views of the pupils?

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They are taking the same test that they did yesterday

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when they were 11% slower to match positive words

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It's a brain reaction tests your school will not improve practice.

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Basically we don't really notice the facial disfigurement,

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It would suggest that the education they had after yesterday's test

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That is a very plausible explanation.

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Really surprised. Meeting those children, we are all the same.

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It is part of the discrimination Act. You cannot discriminate against

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someone with a facial disfigurement. This year I did definitely gained

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a lot of confidence and realise that it is not Michaels

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and if they have a problem with it How would you like

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people to judge you? From my personality and what I do,

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not by my face. If you want to share that full film,

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you can find it again on our programme page:

:29:49.:29:51.

bbc.co.uk/victoria. Thank you to everyone got in touch.

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Tony says, "This needs stampling out. Education is the only way."

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Jeanette says, "I was encouraged to return to work as a teach we are

:30:07.:30:13.

severe facial palsy. I became depressed and for months suicidal

:30:14.:30:20.

and I have PDST as a result." John says, "I had severe acne which left

:30:21.:30:26.

me with scars. Rarely do I escape verbal abuse on a daily basis."

:30:27.:30:36.

Heidi says, "Yes, schools should be making pupils aware of

:30:37.:30:40.

discrimination." Another viewer says, "Everyone is different.

:30:41.:30:43.

Whatever their background." Thank you. Keep them

:30:44.:30:47.

In the next Keep them hour of the programme,

:30:48.:30:49.

we'll be speaking more people who've been discriminated because of

:30:50.:30:51.

and looking at what can be done to stop this type of bullying.

:30:52.:30:56.

UKIP will announce its new leader later this morning.

:30:57.:31:01.

As Nigel Farage stands down for the third time, we'll be joined

:31:02.:31:04.

by an audience of UKIP voters who'll tell us what they want

:31:05.:31:07.

The end of an era for Ed Balls as he finally

:31:08.:31:12.

gets booted out of Strictly - we'll be looking at his ten-week run

:31:13.:31:16.

Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

:31:17.:31:22.

Almost none of the so-called "add on" treatments offered by fertility

:31:23.:31:25.

clinics to boost IVF success rates are backed up by

:31:26.:31:27.

The study was commissioned by the BBC's Panorama programme,

:31:28.:31:34.

and is also published in the British Medical Journal.

:31:35.:31:38.

It found that only one of 27 different treatments was supported

:31:39.:31:41.

by moderate evidence that it could increase

:31:42.:31:43.

The fertility regulator said it has limited powers to stop

:31:44.:31:48.

The Government is facing more legal challenges related to Brexit,

:31:49.:31:54.

this time about whether the UK stays in the single market

:31:55.:31:57.

Lawyers will argue the UK should not also leave the European Economic

:31:58.:32:02.

Countries who are in the EEA get access to barrier-free trade,

:32:03.:32:11.

in return for paying into some EU budgets and accepting the free

:32:12.:32:13.

The Prime Minister will host a summit with her Polish counterpart

:32:14.:32:18.

in Downing Street today, with Brexit and defence

:32:19.:32:20.

The Polish Prime Minister has warned the UK

:32:21.:32:28.

will need to "compromise" in its forthcoming negotiations

:32:29.:32:30.

with the European Union, but says her country will approach

:32:31.:32:33.

the discussions in a "constructive and down-to-earth manner".

:32:34.:32:49.

More than 20 ex-players alleging they were victims of sexual abuse.

:32:50.:32:58.

The FA investigation is being led by an independent barrister.

:32:59.:33:02.

The people of France have a clearer idea of who could be

:33:03.:33:05.

their next President, after Francois Fillon

:33:06.:33:07.

was overwhelmingly chosen to represent the main centre-right

:33:08.:33:09.

Mr Fillon, a former prime minister under President Nicolas Sarkozy,

:33:10.:33:14.

will stand in April against a Socialist candidate,

:33:15.:33:16.

and Marine Le Pen, of the far-right National Front.

:33:17.:33:21.

The UK Independence Party will announce its new leader

:33:22.:33:23.

Nigel Farage has been holding the reins as interim leader

:33:24.:33:27.

since his successor, Diane James, stepped down after less

:33:28.:33:29.

The three candidates are the former deputy leader Paul Nuttall,

:33:30.:33:33.

former deputy chairman Suzanne Evans and party activist John Rees-Evans.

:33:34.:33:38.

The announcement will be live on the BBC News channel at 11.45am.

:33:39.:33:42.

That's a summary of the latest BBC News.

:33:43.:33:44.

Nico Rosberg is the new Formula 1 world champion, having finished

:33:45.:33:57.

second in the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix, the final race of the season, to

:33:58.:34:01.

Lewis Hamilton, but that was enough to take the title by five points.

:34:02.:34:05.

England are up against it in the third Test match against India.

:34:06.:34:11.

India built a first-innings lead of 134, but England have just lost

:34:12.:34:15.

their captain Alastair Cook for 12 runs. Jose Mourinho was sent to the

:34:16.:34:20.

stands for kicking a water bottle in Manchester United's draw at home to

:34:21.:34:24.

West Ham, after Paul Pogba was booked for diving. United have made

:34:25.:34:29.

their worst start in the league since 1989. Celtic have won their

:34:30.:34:35.

100th major title after beating Aberdeen 3-0 in the Scottish League

:34:36.:34:39.

Cup final, their first trophy under Brendan Rodgers. More at ten

:34:40.:34:40.

o'clock. A couple more comments on bullying

:34:41.:34:48.

that children are subjected to because of the way they look. Ashley

:34:49.:34:52.

Cole on children are taught respect by adults, who make nasty and

:34:53.:35:02.

hurtful remarks. -- Ashley:. In my adult life, although I have come to

:35:03.:35:05.

terms that I am different and accept my impediments, other people do not

:35:06.:35:08.

accept them. UKIP's new leader will be

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announced later this morning. It means Nigel Farage's third spell

:35:13.:35:14.

as leader of the party I have never been

:35:15.:35:17.

and I have never wanted to be So I feel it is right that I now

:35:18.:35:29.

stand aside as the leader of Ukip. The leader of the UK

:35:30.:35:38.

Independence Party, Diane James! Watching TV this afternoon,

:35:39.:35:45.

you'll be watching the opposition I will continue as the interim

:35:46.:35:47.

leader of Ukip and we will go I keep trying to escape

:35:48.:35:59.

and going over the wall and running for the hills and before I'm finally

:36:00.:36:06.

free they track me back. The man tipped to be Ukip's next

:36:07.:36:14.

leader is in hospital after an altercation

:36:15.:36:17.

with a colleague in There were no punches thrown,

:36:18.:36:20.

no face slapping, nothing. As people would say,

:36:21.:36:33.

it was handbags at dawn. So, who do party members and voters

:36:34.:37:02.

want to take over as the next leader, and will they have the same

:37:03.:37:06.

attraction as Nigel Farage? Here with us, the Ukip MEP for the East

:37:07.:37:12.

of England, Tim Aker, and a group of Ukip voters. Thank you. Tim Aker,

:37:13.:37:16.

who do you want to be the new leader and what should their focus be? I

:37:17.:37:21.

support Paul Nuttall, I think he has the experience within the party. To

:37:22.:37:28.

see us into our next stage. We have won the referendum, we have to make

:37:29.:37:31.

sure Brexit means Brexit, but we have to win council seats and get

:37:32.:37:36.

more MPs next time. Labour is in disarray, they would rather talk

:37:37.:37:39.

about Castro than council housing, they are not talking about the

:37:40.:37:43.

issues of working-class voters. You are in a bit of disarray yourself?

:37:44.:37:48.

We have seen worse, we survived Kilroy. Some of our audience will

:37:49.:37:55.

not know who he is. A lot of people will. We have been winning

:37:56.:38:00.

by-elections. On the day of the altercation, we won a by-election in

:38:01.:38:05.

Hartlepool. With Paul hopefully as leader, we can march into labour

:38:06.:38:08.

areas and win council seats and be prepared for the next election. Tell

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us what you want from the next leader. I am Tricia Gulliver from

:38:13.:38:17.

Bromley, a member of the Bromley committee for Ukip. I want the next

:38:18.:38:24.

leader to unite the party, which is so very important. Is that through

:38:25.:38:29.

the charisma of their personality? Their policies? How would they do

:38:30.:38:34.

that? Strength of character and experience that they can bring. Go

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ahead. I am Matt, 24, and I joined the party in April 2000 15. I used

:38:46.:38:52.

to support Labour. Why did you switch in April 2015? They were not

:38:53.:38:58.

listening to working-class people struggling to make a living. Ukip

:38:59.:39:02.

were the only ones that work. Listening to us. -- that were

:39:03.:39:12.

listening to us. I live in Thurrock. We have had a Labour run council for

:39:13.:39:19.

a long time. Labour MPs, and now it's Conservative. I am now an

:39:20.:39:23.

activist for the party. What is the future for you? I support Paul

:39:24.:39:30.

Nuttall, I have done from the offset. The party has a great

:39:31.:39:35.

future. I have been knocking on doors since after May as well, when

:39:36.:39:41.

I stood. Knocking on doors, and our support base has been returning to

:39:42.:39:45.

us. I have been speaking to people that voted for us, saying, we're not

:39:46.:39:50.

going anywhere, we are not going to disappear. The party has a strong

:39:51.:39:53.

future, we have to keep knocking on the doors and asking important

:39:54.:39:58.

questions. What is it that people are asking you when you knock on the

:39:59.:40:03.

door? Anything. What can we do for you? We are public servants. We have

:40:04.:40:10.

to listen to the people. I was like that myself. You don't see a

:40:11.:40:13.

counsellor knocking on your door very often, only at election time,

:40:14.:40:18.

that is what is great about Ukip, out all the time, knocking on doors.

:40:19.:40:25.

I am Rebecca, from Ipswich, a Ukip voter pretty much ever since I could

:40:26.:40:29.

vote. I have always supported the party, I haven't been a member of

:40:30.:40:34.

it. My main issue has been the EU and getting out. I am incredibly

:40:35.:40:39.

happy with the result of the referendum. Ukip needs a strong

:40:40.:40:43.

leader to lead us forward and get us out of the EU, get Brexit sorted.

:40:44.:40:47.

Don't you trust Theresa made to do that? No. When she was Home

:40:48.:40:54.

Secretary, she couldn't manage the borders, so how can she manage

:40:55.:40:58.

Brexit? She said it is keeping her awake at night. There is a pamphlet

:40:59.:41:05.

on how to get us out in a week, repeal the 1972 European Communities

:41:06.:41:11.

Act, job done. She is not the reason a, she is Theresa maybe! -- she is

:41:12.:41:21.

not Theresa May. Do you not think it is slightly more complicated than

:41:22.:41:24.

you have made it sound? It is complicated because they want to

:41:25.:41:28.

make it complicated and draw it out. Frankly get on with it. For what

:41:29.:41:35.

purpose? To grind everyone down. But we are not going away.

:41:36.:41:43.

INAUDIBLE QUESTION. You think she is going to change

:41:44.:41:48.

completely? 17 million people said they wanted to leave... Yes, they

:41:49.:41:54.

did. Nigel Farage offered to help the government with the President of

:41:55.:41:58.

the US. He has the best relationship... Any incoming Prime

:41:59.:42:06.

Minister... He decided to put country before party. Their response

:42:07.:42:11.

was to laugh in the House of Commons. It seems they are willing

:42:12.:42:14.

to put party above country with this. I am Nick, a Ukip member since

:42:15.:42:25.

2002. That was when I realised Gordon Brown had trashed my pension.

:42:26.:42:29.

I started taking notice of what was going on in the world. Who do you

:42:30.:42:36.

want to lead Ukip? I voted for Paul Nuttall. On the basis of his

:42:37.:42:45.

experience. But what I have found, particularly with this referendum,

:42:46.:42:52.

both the people object into being in the EU and the people who wanted to

:42:53.:42:56.

stay in the EU, none of them had a very good idea of what the EU was

:42:57.:43:01.

all about. Quite a good example, a bit earlier in this programme, you

:43:02.:43:05.

had a chap talking about the single market. He only gave half the story.

:43:06.:43:12.

It isn't really a single market... We are not going to get into your

:43:13.:43:16.

definition of the single market, if you don't mind, we don't have time,

:43:17.:43:21.

let's hear from Josh. I have been a member of the party since 2015. Why

:43:22.:43:29.

do you support Ukip? I was half and half with the Conservative Party,

:43:30.:43:33.

but with David Cameron and Theresa May, true conservatives like

:43:34.:43:36.

Thatcher, they are very centrist, they just mumble a lot. They don't

:43:37.:43:42.

get the job done on the economy. We have had a Conservative government

:43:43.:43:46.

since 2010, and yet get in borrowing is up. Neither party has any clue

:43:47.:43:52.

how to sort out the economy, because national debt will be ?1.9 trillion

:43:53.:43:57.

by the end of the decade. Who do you support? Suzanne Evans. Have you

:43:58.:44:04.

heard her talk about reducing the deficit? She wants to focus on

:44:05.:44:11.

educating the young to do jobs so we don't have to rely on immigration.

:44:12.:44:15.

She wants a less intrusive state, cutting down on waste and NHS

:44:16.:44:20.

management, to get the deficit under control by not borrowing, like

:44:21.:44:22.

Labour would, to spend how they want. We need defence policies to

:44:23.:44:29.

make sure we stick to defence, because that is an area where we do

:44:30.:44:32.

need to spend money. She has a balanced idea of the role of

:44:33.:44:37.

government, so it is not just cutting and spending, which the

:44:38.:44:42.

other parties seem to be about. Just on point, talking about government

:44:43.:44:46.

finances, our manifesto at the last general election was the only one to

:44:47.:44:51.

be independently costed. Feted by independent experts. I understand.

:44:52.:45:00.

-- vetted. Norman Smith was talking about the government saying we will

:45:01.:45:06.

automatically come out of the European economic area when we leave

:45:07.:45:09.

the EU, but actually lawyers are saying there has to be a formal

:45:10.:45:13.

process, Parliament should be given the chance to trigger it as well. It

:45:14.:45:18.

seems to be watering down the whole process, doesn't it? Republic have

:45:19.:45:23.

spoken. Politicians are there, as Matt said... Tell me which

:45:24.:45:29.

politician is saying the public hasn't spoken? Which politician is

:45:30.:45:32.

saying we are going to ignore the public? In power... Owen Smith is

:45:33.:45:41.

not in power. Theresa May has a majority of, what, 12? There are

:45:42.:45:47.

enough hard-core remaineders to make this a messy process, just get on

:45:48.:45:52.

with it. Give us an early Christmas present, get up this week and say we

:45:53.:45:56.

are just going to do it. We are going to send the letter and start

:45:57.:46:02.

negotiations. Better still... Why does it matter, December or March?

:46:03.:46:08.

Because get on with it. The longer she leaves it, the more I have a

:46:09.:46:13.

point. They are trying for a second referendum. Clause 50 was put into

:46:14.:46:19.

the Lisbon Treaty not to allow people to leave, but to make it

:46:20.:46:23.

extremely difficult for people to leave without horrendous financial

:46:24.:46:27.

consequences. The simplest thing is to cut the Gordian knot and repeal

:46:28.:46:33.

the 1972 act. It was brought in by blatant lies by Ted Heath in

:46:34.:46:37.

Parliament to the country. Strictly speaking it shouldn't be legal.

:46:38.:46:41.

Thank you very much for coming on. Your view is welcome.

:46:42.:46:46.

News from Fifa. It is to do with the recent revelations of historic

:46:47.:46:54.

sexual abuse in football. Fifa says it is monitoring allegations of

:46:55.:46:58.

child sex abuse within English football closely. "We are aware of

:46:59.:47:02.

the allegations. Fifa considers the frOks and young people as

:47:03.:47:07.

fundamental in football and we will monitor the situation closely." Fifa

:47:08.:47:13.

saying they are aware of the allegations in British football. We

:47:14.:47:16.

are monitoring them closely and we consider the protection of children

:47:17.:47:20.

and young people fundamental in football."

:47:21.:47:24.

If you want to see our interview with the four men who were on the

:47:25.:47:30.

programme on Friday morning, former professional footballers, former

:47:31.:47:32.

junior footballers who talked very movingly about the kind of sexual

:47:33.:47:36.

abuse that they experienced as little boys, then go to YouTube and

:47:37.:47:40.

you will be able to find the full interview there.

:47:41.:47:51.

OK - spoiler alert - we're going to talk about Strictly

:47:52.:47:57.

And for both programmes it was the end of the novelty act.

:47:58.:48:03.

After ten weeks Ed Balls finally got booted out with politicians

:48:04.:48:05.

from all parties saying how much he'll be missed.

:48:06.:48:09.

His old adversary the former Prime Minister David Cameron says

:48:10.:48:11.

the programme "wouldn't be the same without him".

:48:12.:48:13.

If people watching have had half the fun I've had learning to dance

:48:14.:49:51.

with Katya then they must have had a complete blast because it's

:49:52.:49:53.

Goodness gracious, Ed Balls on fire! At least Ed Balls got to dance with

:49:54.:50:12.

our own Carol before he got booted off!

:50:13.:50:18.

And... LAUGHTER

:50:19.:50:26.

Well done. Well done. Well done. If I say honey, you say toast.

:50:27.:50:32.

Honey. Toast. It is Honey G time.

:50:33.:50:48.

# Whose hot? # Can't you hear the music?

:50:49.:50:55.

# Now, push it. # Push it good.

:50:56.:51:05.

# Push it real good. # Unemployment a record high.

:51:06.:51:11.

# Coming coming, people going and I don't know why.

:51:12.:51:14.

# Don't ask me because I don't know why, but it's like that

:51:15.:51:22.

# And that's the way it is. # No fingerprints.

:51:23.:51:27.

# Watch your back. # Come on.

:51:28.:51:35.

# When I say honey, you say G. # Honey.

:51:36.:51:44.

# When I say honey, you say go. # Honey.

:51:45.:51:56.

My friend Kathy can do the best impression of Honey G. Let's speak

:51:57.:52:20.

to Ann Widdecombe who was on Strictly this 2010. She was knocked

:52:21.:52:24.

out in week ten, that's the exact week as Ed Balls. Arc nn, good

:52:25.:52:29.

morning. Good morning. What did you think of his journey? I thought he

:52:30.:52:34.

was tremendously entertaining. He was enjoying T the first week I

:52:35.:52:37.

thought oh dear there, isn't going to work because he looked stiff and

:52:38.:52:43.

formal, but somebody gave him some good advice and from we can two

:52:44.:52:47.

onwards he really looked as if he was enjoying it. But he was

:52:48.:52:51.

improving, wasn't? That's something I could never say. But he did

:52:52.:52:57.

improve. I wonder if there are similarities with you in that,

:52:58.:53:02.

suddenly you go on Strictly as a former politician and you become a

:53:03.:53:06.

much-loved human being? Well, the thing is that people see a side of

:53:07.:53:10.

you that they never saw before and quite right, you you know, we were

:53:11.:53:19.

both doing serious jobs. Both of us were released from those

:53:20.:53:23.

responsibilities and threw ourselves into enjoying ourselves and that's

:53:24.:53:27.

infectious. Did it take you time to think I've got to, you know, get rid

:53:28.:53:32.

of any inhibitions to really go for this? Oh, I kept some inhibitions.

:53:33.:53:36.

There were things I wouldn't do and made that very clear from the start!

:53:37.:53:40.

I'm sure the same was true of Ed. He probably said, I will do this, but I

:53:41.:53:48.

won't do that and that's acceptable. All they want is for to you feel

:53:49.:53:53.

comfortable about what you're doing. Who was your partner? It was Anton

:53:54.:53:59.

Du Beke! How could I forget that? Peu would! Do you think they put him

:54:00.:54:04.

with you or you with him? Yes. If you think about the height

:54:05.:54:08.

difference, normally they wouldn't have made that pairing. But I think

:54:09.:54:13.

they made it because he is very good with the duffers, he is good with

:54:14.:54:17.

the old ladies. I think it was, they got it right. Did you see Ed Balls

:54:18.:54:33.

gangnam style? He was hugely entertaining and huge fun and when

:54:34.:54:36.

that happens the public will vote for you to come back. If the

:54:37.:54:42.

programme was about dancing, you wouldn't have people like me and Ed

:54:43.:54:47.

in it in the first place. Thank you for talking to us. Bye-bye.

:54:48.:54:56.

Thank you for your messages about the film we ran earlier about the

:54:57.:55:03.

child with facial disfigurements. This tweet from Boss 77. "Great is

:55:04.:55:11.

getting coverage. People are so judgemental qments, "Some of us have

:55:12.:55:17.

been bullied, stared at and picked on. I'm 56 and I cannot remember a

:55:18.:55:21.

day when I have not been subject to some form of abuse. Maybe that's a

:55:22.:55:27.

lie, a few of those days I may not have even left the house." Lleyton

:55:28.:55:31.

says, "This shows how essential good education is for a caring society.

:55:32.:55:36.

We must balance academic education with social education. Children

:55:37.:55:42.

learn best when they have not learnt stereotypical attitudes." John on

:55:43.:55:46.

e-mail, "I support your programme about childhood discrimination. Can

:55:47.:55:52.

I ask you to say a word of support for the small child. I was tiny. I

:55:53.:56:00.

was always picked on at school and called names of which Titch was the

:56:01.:56:04.

nicest. Other children who were having a bad time always took it out

:56:05.:56:09.

on me." We will have the layest news and

:56:10.:56:13.

sport in a moment. Phil is here. We've got the Weather Watchers have

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been at it again. Brave souls that they are! You have to be in some

:56:20.:56:24.

spots of the British Isles. Nothing unusual. This is up in a wee village

:56:25.:56:29.

in the north of Scotland. This captured how frosty and how foggy it

:56:30.:56:33.

was this morning. Temperature here #34i news seven Celsius or so. Not

:56:34.:56:38.

extraordinary for the time of year, and if you think that's a long way

:56:39.:56:41.

in Scotland, it is coming further south. This was the glorious scene

:56:42.:56:46.

captured by a less brave soul, one of our Weather Watchers Trish in

:56:47.:56:52.

London. We have a mishmash. A week ago it was Storm Angus and now it is

:56:53.:56:58.

quieter. We have got an area of high pressure and that's drawing in the

:56:59.:57:01.

colder air which is showing itself across the eastern side of the

:57:02.:57:04.

British Isles as clearer skies and we're going to push that a little

:57:05.:57:07.

bit further towards the north and west through the course of the day.

:57:08.:57:13.

We will have a glorious prospect of sunshine in the afternoon.

:57:14.:57:16.

Temperatures not really responding to the sun sheuvenlt it is on the

:57:17.:57:22.

cool side or the time of year and if you're exposed to the breeze, you

:57:23.:57:25.

will feel it cold. We will keep the cloud across Northern Ireland for a

:57:26.:57:30.

good part of the day and further north, the temperatures locked two,

:57:31.:57:33.

three, four, five Celsius something of that order, but there will be

:57:34.:57:36.

sunshine, and variable amounts of cloud. As soon as the sun goes down,

:57:37.:57:40.

the temperatures are going to fall away. I was talking about minus

:57:41.:57:45.

seven Celsius in the north of Scotland. Even in the towns and the

:57:46.:57:50.

cities, we will be looking at temperatures really falling away and

:57:51.:57:52.

that's the picture in the countryside. Somewhere in the

:57:53.:57:58.

Midlands, southern Midlands, minus seven and minus eight. For Scotland

:57:59.:58:01.

and Northern Ireland, you may have a wee touch of frost, but this cloud

:58:02.:58:04.

associated with the weather front comes in and there will be rain for

:58:05.:58:11.

the western northern isles and it tends to fizzle further south and

:58:12.:58:14.

into Scotland and Northern Ireland. A slow process here so it doesn't

:58:15.:58:17.

get into the borders until late on and having had a cold start, you

:58:18.:58:21.

will be scraping your cars across England and Wales. The temperatures

:58:22.:58:25.

never really recover. Three, four, five Celsius and that's if you can

:58:26.:58:28.

get rid of the fog. There will be a wee bit of fog around and it will

:58:29.:58:32.

dent the temperatures further. Tuesday and into Wednesday, high

:58:33.:58:35.

pressure that was over the North Sea comes over towards the Republic of

:58:36.:58:40.

Ireland and that has the effect of stopping the Continental air coming

:58:41.:58:43.

at us and it is more maritime air with more moisture. We have got more

:58:44.:58:47.

in the way of cloud. It will stay dry, but the high pressure just not

:58:48.:58:52.

quite keeping those fronts away from the northern parts of Britain so

:58:53.:58:54.

into Scotland and Northern Ireland. There will be spells of rain at

:58:55.:58:58.

times, but the themes of the week, because of the high pressure, a lot

:58:59.:59:00.

of dry weather, but is it warm? No! Good morning. It is Monday. This

:59:01.:59:12.

morning children living with facial disfigurements tell us about the

:59:13.:59:15.

bullying they experience on a daily basis.

:59:16.:59:20.

One time I was ten, and someone came up to me and said if they look like

:59:21.:59:28.

me, I would -- they would kill themselves. After, I came home and

:59:29.:59:30.

burst into tears. Also on the programme,

:59:31.:59:33.

as seven football clubs are linked to allegations of historical child

:59:34.:59:35.

sex abuse, we ask mums and dads watching their children play

:59:36.:59:38.

football in one junior league their reaction

:59:39.:59:40.

to the revelations. Very sad to think that you leave

:59:41.:59:42.

your children with someone you trust, and they are

:59:43.:59:45.

taken advantage of. It's just dreadful,

:59:46.:59:48.

absolutely dreadful. Research suggests most costly add-on

:59:49.:00:04.

treatments offered by fertility clinics to increase the chance of

:00:05.:00:08.

birth are not backed by scientific evidence. If you have been through

:00:09.:00:12.

IVF: tell us your experiences this morning.

:00:13.:00:16.

Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

:00:17.:00:24.

Almost none of the so-called add-on treatments offered by fertility

:00:25.:00:30.

clinics to boost IVF success rates are backed by scientific research

:00:31.:00:32.

according to findings. The research was commissioned

:00:33.:00:35.

by the BBC's Panorama programme, and is also published

:00:36.:00:38.

in the British Medical Journal. It found that of the 27 different

:00:39.:00:40.

treatments examined, only one was supported by even

:00:41.:00:42.

moderate evidence that it could increase the chances

:00:43.:00:44.

of having a baby. The fertility regulator says it has

:00:45.:00:50.

limited power to stop clinics offering add-ons.

:00:51.:00:57.

The Government is facing more legal challenges related to Brexit,

:00:58.:00:59.

this time about whether the UK stays in the single market

:01:00.:01:02.

Lawyers will argue the UK should not automatically leave

:01:03.:01:07.

the European Economic Area when it leaves the EU.

:01:08.:01:10.

Countries who are in the EEA get access to barrier-free trade,

:01:11.:01:13.

in return for paying into some EU budgets and accepting the free

:01:14.:01:16.

Fifa is monitoring allegations of child abuse in English football

:01:17.:01:27.

closely after 20 ex players allege they were victims of abuse as

:01:28.:01:31.

youngsters. The claims relate to seven different clubs. The FA has

:01:32.:01:35.

launched its own investigation into the allegations, being led by an

:01:36.:01:37.

independent barrister. US President-elect Donald Trump has

:01:38.:01:39.

claimed that millions of people voted illegally

:01:40.:01:41.

in the country's recent elections. In a tweet, Mr Trump said

:01:42.:01:46.

he would have won the popular vote ahead of his Democratic rival

:01:47.:01:49.

Hillary Clinton if those He offered no evidence

:01:50.:01:51.

to back up his claim. Mrs Clinton gained about two million

:01:52.:01:54.

votes more across the country as a whole, but Mr Trump secured

:01:55.:01:57.

the all-important electoral college There are calls for more to be done

:01:58.:02:00.

to tackle discrimination of people A leading charity has told this

:02:01.:02:11.

programme that discrimination could even be worse than other

:02:12.:02:15.

forms, including racism, as very There are now calls to roll out

:02:16.:02:17.

an education programme across schools to promote

:02:18.:02:21.

what they call Face Equality. And we'll be meeting children who've

:02:22.:02:24.

faced their own struggles with facial disfigurement a little

:02:25.:02:26.

later in the programme. For some, it's taken the fun out

:02:27.:02:32.

of their Saturday nights, for others, it should

:02:33.:02:35.

have come sooner. Ed Balls has left

:02:36.:02:37.

Strictly Come Dancing. The former Labour shadow chancellor

:02:38.:02:39.

was the surprise star of this series, entertaining fans

:02:40.:02:42.

with his memorable moves despite often being at

:02:43.:02:44.

the bottom of the scoreboard. But this week the public vote failed

:02:45.:02:46.

to save him and his If people watching have had half

:02:47.:02:49.

the fun I've had learning to dance with Katya then they must have had

:02:50.:02:55.

a complete blast, because it's The judges, all the supporters,

:02:56.:02:58.

the make-up team, the wardrobe, in particular that band

:02:59.:03:03.

are the best in the world. That's a summary of

:03:04.:03:06.

the latest BBC News. Julie: if Strictly was all about

:03:07.:03:22.

contestants like Ed Balls, I would watch it all the time. Ed was ace.

:03:23.:03:25.

Now the spot. Nico Rosberg is the new Formula 1

:03:26.:03:35.

world champion. He finished second behind his Mercedes team-mate and

:03:36.:03:38.

championship rival Lewis Hamilton at the season-ending Abu Dhabi Grand

:03:39.:03:43.

Prix. Hamilton had tried to slow down Rosberg so Sebastian Vettel and

:03:44.:03:47.

Max Verstappen could push him back into fourth but Rosberg came through

:03:48.:03:50.

and won the World Championship by just five points. That was

:03:51.:03:54.

definitely not the most enjoyable race I have ever had. With those

:03:55.:04:01.

guys coming up at the end, not very enjoyable, the last laps. Very glad

:04:02.:04:08.

it is over. Ecstatic. I want to say a big thank you to everyone who

:04:09.:04:12.

supported us this weekend. Thank you so much. I love you guys. Thank you

:04:13.:04:19.

to my family for their support am especially to the team doing such a

:04:20.:04:24.

great job. England are up against it in the third Test match against

:04:25.:04:30.

India. India built a lead of 134, and then got the England captain

:04:31.:04:36.

Alastair Cook for 12. 19-year-old Haseeb Hameed has been unable to bat

:04:37.:04:40.

because of an injured finger and England have lost Moeen Ali to a

:04:41.:04:44.

terrible shot after scoring just five runs. England 48-2, trailing by

:04:45.:04:50.

86. Jose Mourinho's temper got the better of him again at Old Trafford,

:04:51.:04:54.

sent off for the second time in four weeks as Manchester United drew 1-1

:04:55.:04:58.

with West Ham in the time you leak. Paul Pogba was booked for diving,

:04:59.:05:05.

prompting an outburst in the FA will decide on further action. -- in the

:05:06.:05:11.

Premier League. He was sent to the stands. United are 11 points behind

:05:12.:05:14.

the leaders Chelsea, their worst start in the league since 1989.

:05:15.:05:20.

Arsenal remain in fourth and keeping pace with their title rivals after a

:05:21.:05:24.

3-1 win at home to Bournemouth. Alexis Sanchez scored twice to leave

:05:25.:05:29.

them only three points behind Chelsea. Elsewhere, wins for

:05:30.:05:35.

Southampton and Stoke. Celtic lifted their 100th major trophy with a

:05:36.:05:39.

comfortable win over Aberdeen in the Scottish League Cup final. The 16th

:05:40.:05:44.

time Celtic have won this competition, and a first piece of

:05:45.:05:47.

silverware at the club for manager Brendan Rodgers. Six months and a

:05:48.:05:54.

week to the day since I came in. We talked about what we wanted to

:05:55.:05:59.

achieve and how we wanted to do it. We are certainly well on our way to

:06:00.:06:03.

that. Very, very pleased with the performance. Five-time champion

:06:04.:06:08.

Ronnie O'Sullivan eased into the third round of the snooker UK

:06:09.:06:13.

Championship in York with a second successive 6-0 whitewash, this time

:06:14.:06:17.

against Scotland's Rhys Clark, although he had a bit of luck to win

:06:18.:06:22.

the match with a break of 131, his second flute in that frame.

:06:23.:06:26.

Afterwards, he said he feels like he is blagging it as a snooker player.

:06:27.:06:31.

As many as seven professional football clubs are now embroiled

:06:32.:06:36.

in the historic child sex abuse scandal.

:06:37.:06:40.

All the cases of sexual abuse in football revealed so far go back

:06:41.:06:44.

decades, but the trigger for the latest revelation came just a week

:06:45.:06:48.

Andy Woodward was the first to come forward, speaking

:06:49.:06:53.

publicly for the first time about the abuse he received

:06:54.:06:56.

in the 1980s as a boy at Crewe Alexandra.

:06:57.:06:58.

All I wanted to do was be a footballer,

:06:59.:07:01.

it was my dream, it was something I had always wanted to do.

:07:02.:07:06.

He threatened me in a way that that was going to

:07:07.:07:08.

He was abused by his former coach, Barry Bennell,

:07:09.:07:15.

a man who later went to prison three times for child sex offences.

:07:16.:07:23.

Bennell worked as a scout or coach for a number

:07:24.:07:25.

of clubs in the north-west of

:07:26.:07:28.

England including Stoke, Crewe Alexandra and Manchester City.

:07:29.:07:33.

As well as showing them skills and explaining the game to

:07:34.:07:41.

them, we show them that there is more to it than coming here one hour

:07:42.:07:44.

Some others came forward saying that Barry Bennell had abused them too.

:07:45.:07:53.

At the end of last week, four of his victims decided to speak out

:07:54.:07:56.

All of this has got to be rectified as soon as possible.

:07:57.:08:04.

More footballers came forward, this time saying

:08:05.:08:08.

they were abused not by Barry Bennell but different coaches.

:08:09.:08:12.

Former England international Paul Stewart said that he was assaulted

:08:13.:08:14.

But I felt that I needed to do this so that other people will come out.

:08:15.:08:33.

As of today, four different police forces say that they are

:08:34.:08:36.

investigating cases of historical sex abuse in football.

:08:37.:08:44.

Northumbria, Cheshire, Hampshire and the Met Police in London.

:08:45.:08:47.

A special NSPCC hotline has taken more than

:08:48.:08:49.

The head of the Professional Footballers Association

:08:50.:08:57.

said yesterday that allegations had also been made against other clubs.

:08:58.:09:02.

has now said there will be an independent review

:09:03.:09:06.

and what actions clubs should and could have taken at the time.

:09:07.:09:14.

This programme has been contacted by a number of former players

:09:15.:09:18.

who also allege abuse since our interview

:09:19.:09:21.

with Chris Unsworth, Jason Dunford, Steve Walters and Andy Woodward.

:09:22.:09:26.

We hope to talk to some of those over the coming weeks and months,

:09:27.:09:29.

but here's a reminder of that interview which prompted such

:09:30.:09:32.

It began... He used to pick me up. I was probably one of the closest lads

:09:33.:09:47.

that lived to his house. In the Peak District. He used to pick me up and

:09:48.:09:56.

the abuse started in the car. He used to touch. We used to play games

:09:57.:10:01.

in the car. And that's when it all started. And that would be on the

:10:02.:10:07.

way to training? On the way to training and on the way back. And

:10:08.:10:12.

then he invited you to stay over at his house? That happened a little

:10:13.:10:19.

bit later, but not long after. At first, it was, you know, two, three

:10:20.:10:26.

or four lads who used to stay there. There was always two or three... And

:10:27.:10:34.

I'm going to ask you, Chris, what he did to you. At first it started, you

:10:35.:10:42.

know, the games used to start. It was hands everywhere, then down the

:10:43.:10:47.

pants. And then, later, it got more serious. In the bedroom. Where there

:10:48.:10:56.

was penetration. Things like that. What age were you? I was about nine.

:10:57.:11:03.

And if you want to watch that full interview,

:11:04.:11:06.

you can find it on YouTube or our programme page,

:11:07.:11:08.

just type Victoria Derbyshire and football into YouTube

:11:09.:11:10.

Since that interview, Andy Woodward tweeted,

:11:11.:11:19.

"Just had a message someone was going to take her life and saw

:11:20.:11:23.

She now wants to live. We will survive and fight it."

:11:24.:11:32.

We have been overwhelmed with e-mails and text messages from you.

:11:33.:11:40.

I'm going to read a couple, no names. The revelations from the

:11:41.:11:44.

footballers on your programme has been incredibly difficult for me to

:11:45.:11:49.

watch. As a six-year-old boy, I was sexually abused once by a male

:11:50.:11:53.

neighbour. Just once. It's had a massive impact on my life since. I

:11:54.:11:59.

cannot imagine what repeated abuse must be like. And this, from another

:12:00.:12:05.

viewer. I watched your programme and cried many tears with your guests,

:12:06.:12:09.

because it brought back so much hurt, which still feels so raw. I

:12:10.:12:18.

was also a victim of Barry Bennell at Butlins, I didn't even connect

:12:19.:12:24.

him but I looked at photos of him with the dreaded Man City top on

:12:25.:12:28.

that I will always see him wearing in the indoor soccer school. Thank

:12:29.:12:32.

you for your programme, and I have now contacted the number you gave

:12:33.:12:35.

and had an hour-long conversation with them. I am passing on all the

:12:36.:12:39.

information to the relevant police authorities. Thank you for those.

:12:40.:12:50.

And if you've been affected by any of the issues you can find a list

:12:51.:12:53.

of helplines on the BBC's Action Line.

:12:54.:12:55.

All four men we spoke to in that exclusive interview say

:12:56.:13:00.

they were abused by a man called Barry Bennell,

:13:01.:13:03.

who worked at a number of clubs, including Crewe as a youth coach.

:13:04.:13:06.

Bennell has been imprisoned three times in total for child sex

:13:07.:13:09.

offences, including one spell in an American jail.

:13:10.:13:12.

Dario Gradi, who was Crewe Alexandra's manager for more

:13:13.:13:14.

than 24 years between 1983 and 2007, and is now their director

:13:15.:13:19.

of football and academy director, has offered "sympathy to the victims

:13:20.:13:22.

He said he knew nothing about Bennell's abuse of young

:13:23.:13:29.

footballers until his arrest in the US in 1994.

:13:30.:13:34.

He was questioned about it in a documentary for Channel 4

:13:35.:13:38.

This is what he said when questioned by the reporter about children

:13:39.:13:42.

Did you know some boys were staying virtually every weekend, every

:13:43.:13:50.

school holiday, spending a huge amount of time at his house? Yes,

:13:51.:13:56.

but they all seemed to be happy and quite contented kids. Did any of

:13:57.:13:59.

them tell you they were sleeping in his bed? No. Not at all. Presumably

:14:00.:14:06.

something the club would not approve of? Definitely not. Bearing in mind

:14:07.:14:15.

there is testimony of him abusing before he was here, he has pleaded

:14:16.:14:19.

guilty to abusing after he was her, do you believe it is possible he was

:14:20.:14:23.

abusing the boys while he was at Crewe? Of course I think it's

:14:24.:14:28.

possible, but I don't think at the time we had any cause for concern.

:14:29.:14:31.

That was in 1996. Like hundreds of parents up and down

:14:32.:14:34.

the country I spend quite a few Sunday mornings during the football

:14:35.:14:37.

season watching my young boys play Yesterday I asked other mums

:14:38.:14:40.

and dads supporting their children on the touchline, how they'd reacted

:14:41.:14:43.

the revelations of the last week or so, and whether they think

:14:44.:14:46.

it could happen now. I felt physically sick. I heard it

:14:47.:14:57.

on the radio. I was sick. Why did you have such a visceral reaction? I

:14:58.:15:04.

think because the abuse of authority, and that relationship, I

:15:05.:15:09.

can't imagine anyone actually ever doing that. What can I say? Just

:15:10.:15:16.

shocked. You have a young boy who plays football in a local team. Yes.

:15:17.:15:23.

Did it make you think again about what he does every weekend, the

:15:24.:15:27.

coaching and the training? Yes, I'm afraid it did. I don't think it's a

:15:28.:15:33.

position to be alone with a coach for anything to happen... It did

:15:34.:15:37.

make me think again, absolutely right. Just because you don't know,

:15:38.:15:43.

that it's not happening, doesn't mean it isn't. Do you think it could

:15:44.:15:50.

happen now? Yes. Really shocking, to be honest. Upsetting. I just feel

:15:51.:15:55.

sorry for every victim that's been abused. Have you got your own

:15:56.:16:00.

children who play football for a local club? No, I have a

:16:01.:16:08.

three-year-old daughter. Gymnastics, things like that. So I haven't. But

:16:09.:16:14.

it's an issue for any parent whose kids do any kind of sport,

:16:15.:16:18.

safeguarding their future? It's massive. I don't even know... You

:16:19.:16:24.

would like to think that doesn't go on any more. I've heard a few

:16:25.:16:33.

people's views. One of them said that's what he felt he had to do to

:16:34.:16:37.

get in the starting line-up, everything like that. Yeah, I hope

:16:38.:16:44.

it doesn't go on. I initially thought the guy who came out was

:16:45.:16:49.

really brave. It was fantastic, asking, because what he's done can't

:16:50.:16:57.

change the past, but what's happening now... It will be

:16:58.:17:02.

scrutinised. And hopefully the kids and everyone involved will be a lot

:17:03.:17:06.

safer. Hopefully the people who are doing the coaching in football are

:17:07.:17:10.

not going to be looked on in the wrong way. But hopefully... The kids

:17:11.:17:19.

will be safer. What was your initial reaction? Obviously you feel sorry

:17:20.:17:28.

for the guy, but it's a good thing that everyone's been made aware of

:17:29.:17:34.

the situation. As John says, hopefully it makes our kids a lot

:17:35.:17:38.

safer. Very sad to think that you leave your children with someone you

:17:39.:17:44.

trust, and they are taken advantage of. It's just a dreadful, absolutely

:17:45.:17:48.

dreadful. Their childhood has been taken away. And also it makes you

:17:49.:17:55.

feel really mistrustful of men who work with children, which is such a

:17:56.:18:01.

shame. The vast majority of intentions will be good, but it

:18:02.:18:05.

makes you not want to leave your children with anyone. That's really

:18:06.:18:10.

sad, actually. A sad indictment. You are supporting your boys, they play

:18:11.:18:14.

every Sunday morning with loads of other boys. Up and down the country

:18:15.:18:18.

this goes on. Do you think it could happen now? I think parents are a

:18:19.:18:24.

lot more aware of making their children aware of what is right and

:18:25.:18:29.

wrong. Making sure that if anything like that happens, that they would

:18:30.:18:33.

never ever get into trouble, they would say straightaway, no one has

:18:34.:18:36.

the right to touch them if they don't want to be touched. Just

:18:37.:18:40.

protect them. You have to be open and honest with them and encourage

:18:41.:18:45.

them to talk, if they feel like anything untoward is going on. They

:18:46.:18:49.

have to be able to open up and talk about it.

:18:50.:18:53.

And if you want to contact the dedicated NSPCC helpline

:18:54.:18:55.

to report abuse, you can call it 24 hours a day on: 0800 023 2642.

:18:56.:19:08.

The UK's leading charity for people with facial disfigurements has told

:19:09.:19:10.

this programme "face bullying" in schools could be a bigger problem

:19:11.:19:13.

than racism or homophobia because it's not as recognised.

:19:14.:19:16.

The facial disfigurement charity Changing Faces has introduced lesson

:19:17.:19:18.

plans in a small number of schools, to challenge perceptions that people

:19:19.:19:22.

who don't look like most other people are unsuccessful,

:19:23.:19:24.

They now want to roll out their education programme,

:19:25.:19:30.

to tackle what is feels is a hidden problem,

:19:31.:19:36.

which leads to misery and even mental illness for some children

:19:37.:19:39.

Our reporter Ashley John Baptiste has been to meet three

:19:40.:19:45.

children who've suffered prejudice and bullying

:19:46.:19:46.

We played you his full film earlier in the programme.

:19:47.:19:50.

Every face tells a story. The twin who doesn't look like the other.

:19:51.:20:05.

The boy scarred from birth. The girl who can't smile.

:20:06.:20:12.

Different stories, but similar experiences. Billy's family have

:20:13.:20:17.

struggled to even take him out in public. At time it can be soul

:20:18.:20:23.

detroug it really can. Because as a parent you just want to protect your

:20:24.:20:28.

child. How do you feel about that? Annoyed. He gets annoyed. Do you

:20:29.:20:35.

feel annoyed? Billy is nine. He is a twivenlt he was born with Apert's

:20:36.:20:39.

syndrome. It is a cranial facial condition. The paediatric registrar

:20:40.:20:45.

didn't even refer to Billy as a baby. He just said, "I have never

:20:46.:20:52.

seen anything like it before." Marcus is 12 and a talented

:20:53.:20:57.

trampolinist, but he was born with a cleft, a gap in his face. Some

:20:58.:21:03.

people called me Far Face and one times I was like ten and someone

:21:04.:21:07.

came up to me and said, "If they looked like me, they would kill

:21:08.:21:12.

themselves." Looking different is tough for any

:21:13.:21:16.

kid, but especially when you are a teenage girl and image is

:21:17.:21:19.

everything. I've come to Somerset to meet a young girl who has a facial

:21:20.:21:23.

condition that means she can't smile. Caitlin was only a baby when

:21:24.:21:29.

she developed a large benign tumour on the side of her face. They took

:21:30.:21:34.

the whole tumour out and while doing that, they caught the smiling nerve

:21:35.:21:39.

and as a result of that, she came round with facial palsy. When did

:21:40.:21:43.

people start to bully you? When I was seven, I think, that's when it

:21:44.:21:47.

all started. What sort of things did people say? Mainly that I wasn't

:21:48.:21:51.

receipty enough to be in their group and they didn't want to be friends

:21:52.:21:55.

with me because I was weird or I looked different. What did the

:21:56.:21:58.

school do to support you? Nothing. Literally nothing. This school in

:21:59.:22:03.

London is pretty rare. It is one of the few in the country teaching face

:22:04.:22:09.

equality. Why do you think so many schools are behind the trend when it

:22:10.:22:13.

comes to supporting kids with facial disfigurement? Think it is the

:22:14.:22:20.

pressures they have got to get the academic results up. That's the

:22:21.:22:23.

biggest priority for most of the schools. The schoolchildren are

:22:24.:22:28.

meeting Marcus and Caitlin? Was it more hard to make friends at school?

:22:29.:22:34.

It wasn't hard when I first started school, but as I grew up and people

:22:35.:22:38.

grow up and we started to realise I was a bit different so I think,

:22:39.:22:44.

yeah. You shouldn't really care. Just, it is not you with the

:22:45.:22:48.

problem, it's the people that bully you. Let's talk to Billy Mitchell

:22:49.:23:06.

who has Apert's syndrome. And his twin sister, Lois.

:23:07.:23:08.

Let's talk now to James Partridge the founder of Changing Faces.

:23:09.:23:12.

Joan Norris who opposes distinct curriculum for targeting

:23:13.:23:14.

Chelsea Burger who has had facial palsy since birth.

:23:15.:23:25.

Tell us what Billy's school has done to tackle bullying and prejudice

:23:26.:23:32.

because of the way Billy looks? We were quite proactive as parents with

:23:33.:23:36.

Billy and we wanted from the outset's Billy's school life to be

:23:37.:23:40.

really just the same as Lois' was going to be. So we asked Changing

:23:41.:23:47.

Faces to come and do a whole class assembly, a whole school assembly

:23:48.:23:51.

more about facial disfigurement which they came in and did. And they

:23:52.:23:56.

also took some time out to talk to the teachers in the school about how

:23:57.:24:02.

to deal with bullying and unwanted attention, you know, that Billy was

:24:03.:24:06.

to get say they were out on a school trip or something like that. And how

:24:07.:24:09.

much difference has that made to Billy's quality of life at school?

:24:10.:24:15.

Massively actually. His peers, they just see Billy as Billy. They look

:24:16.:24:20.

beyond the face and see, you know, Billy for the child who he is. His

:24:21.:24:26.

face doesn't define Billy at all. And he is treated very well. His

:24:27.:24:31.

school is very inclusive and you know the leadership team have been

:24:32.:24:35.

fantastic. Billy, how much do you enjoy school? Very much. Do you?

:24:36.:24:39.

Yeah. What's your favourite subject? Maths. Is it? Clever little boy.

:24:40.:24:44.

Lois, what have you done in the past when people have been mean to your

:24:45.:24:50.

brother? When they make fun of him, I stand in front of him so I can

:24:51.:24:55.

block their view. Do you? Yeah. What do you think about that, Billy?

:24:56.:25:02.

Good. Well done you Lois. Really well done. Chelsea, tell us what

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facial palsy is. Basically, facial palsy is a weakness on one of the

:25:09.:25:12.

sides of your face. It is just nerves aren't quite strong enough.

:25:13.:25:18.

And it can affect you by closing your eyes, watery eyes and even

:25:19.:25:21.

eating sometimes. Sometimes speaking as well. When you're tired it does

:25:22.:25:28.

get worse as it goes on. What sort of bullying have you experienced?

:25:29.:25:32.

Name calling. People pinching my things. Is this just at school or as

:25:33.:25:38.

an adult? Well, it was worse when I was at school even physical

:25:39.:25:41.

sometimes, but as I got older I thought it is going to stop. It is

:25:42.:25:45.

going to stop. I did my dream job and it didn't. A lady started

:25:46.:25:50.

bullying me again and inn my dream job and I thought when am I going to

:25:51.:25:54.

get out of it? I moved away from that job and now I don't get any

:25:55.:25:59.

bother anymore. I found Facial Policy UK website where there is a

:26:00.:26:04.

lady called Karen and she talks to you 24 hours a day. If you're

:26:05.:26:07.

feeling down, she talks to you and that helps a lot, but there is a

:26:08.:26:14.

reminder on Snapchat. There is a filter that makes your face go side

:26:15.:26:19.

ways. It is horrible. It needs to be stopped. Why? It just, I think, it

:26:20.:26:26.

is like yes, we have facial palsy, a few of the girls have been getting

:26:27.:26:32.

Snapchats of lads taking the mick saying, "This is what you look like.

:26:33.:26:38.

" What kind of comments have people made to you about your face?

:26:39.:26:47.

Monster. You shouldn't be alive. It is not nice. Not nice at all. That's

:26:48.:26:52.

unbelievable. It is just vile. It is. It is. James, tell us why you

:26:53.:26:59.

think specific education about facial disfigurement in classrooms

:27:00.:27:02.

would be really useful? Well, clearly, we have to support and

:27:03.:27:06.

empower kids and young people themselves to deal with this stuff

:27:07.:27:12.

when it happens. But our view is that actually, this subject has been

:27:13.:27:19.

so pushed away and neglected in the ethos setting of the school that we

:27:20.:27:23.

need to bring it up. Hopefully over a five year period perhaps. It will

:27:24.:27:30.

become normal or obvious, but I think at this stage, we think we

:27:31.:27:37.

need to push face equality up into being not just sort of oh,

:27:38.:27:44.

Euro-sceptics it is a nice add-on, but integral in the Respect Agenda

:27:45.:27:49.

that all schools should have, but also teaching kids that you can

:27:50.:27:56.

interact normally and positively and inclusively with all kids, you

:27:57.:28:01.

notion unusual appearance or not. I think that's, that needs to be done

:28:02.:28:06.

as a measure for at least five years because what we're hearing is this

:28:07.:28:09.

is too common. This shouldn't be happening. There is a rudeness

:28:10.:28:14.

culture which we need to attack. Does it not come under the general

:28:15.:28:19.

umbrella of bullying though which is what you feel Joan? My feelings are

:28:20.:28:24.

it should be part of the general ethos of the school. So it is about

:28:25.:28:30.

feeling that, you have a bullying policy, but you have to think every

:28:31.:28:34.

single day what does that mean within your school and that's within

:28:35.:28:38.

the whole school community? Children will come into the classroom with

:28:39.:28:43.

all sorts of issues, whatever that might be, and teachers need to be

:28:44.:28:48.

skilful at spotting all of that and certainly if they feel that there is

:28:49.:28:51.

bullying going on or name calling or whatever, they need to have the

:28:52.:28:56.

equipment to deal with that instantly. You want something more

:28:57.:29:00.

specific, James, don't you? You see our view is disfigurement has been

:29:01.:29:05.

covered as a protected character Starc in the Equality Act, but it

:29:06.:29:11.

hasn't been given the same attention that racism and sexism and so on has

:29:12.:29:16.

been and so what we're seeking is to raise this and make sure that

:29:17.:29:22.

schools, under their public sector duty, their equality duty, actually

:29:23.:29:25.

have to show that they are taking this seriously. That face equality

:29:26.:29:30.

is embedded and you're right, we must make sure that the policing of

:29:31.:29:35.

it, the policies and the practise to stamp it out are there too. So

:29:36.:29:40.

parents actually have the sort of assurance that they need that their

:29:41.:29:44.

children are safe and this is a safety issue, as much as anything.

:29:45.:29:48.

What do you think, Denise? I totally agree. Education is really, really

:29:49.:29:53.

the most important thing to promote face equality. I think if we hadn't

:29:54.:29:59.

had Changing Faces go into the school, the cranial facial nurse

:30:00.:30:04.

from great or Monday street, Billy's life might have been a lot

:30:05.:30:08.

different. I really fear for his secondary school in particular. Do

:30:09.:30:11.

you? Yeah, I do, much more so. I think you really need to get

:30:12.:30:17.

children in their formative years, not just once, keep on and on,

:30:18.:30:21.

educating them and bringing it to the fore front and for schools to be

:30:22.:30:25.

inclusive as well. What difference would this have made to you at

:30:26.:30:28.

primary school, Chelsea? A hell of a difference. It wasn't just kids in

:30:29.:30:32.

school. I think if the parents told them it wasn't right, if they were

:30:33.:30:38.

guided how to approach us, we are normal people. We shouldn't be

:30:39.:30:42.

treated any different. I do think it would have made a hell of a

:30:43.:30:48.

difference. Some comments from people watching around the country.

:30:49.:30:52.

"Christian on Facebook. I love these kids. Talking about you, Billy. And

:30:53.:31:01.

Lois. Concern, "As the mother of a child who suffered facial palsy, I

:31:02.:31:07.

support programmes like this. In schools, in social clubs, I'm not

:31:08.:31:11.

bothered where, but as adults we are responsible for making sure every

:31:12.:31:16.

child feels special. Those two children, Billy and Lois, are brave

:31:17.:31:23.

and mature and beyond their years and a huge high five to them for

:31:24.:31:28.

standing up for every child who has suffered like them and my daughter.

:31:29.:31:32.

Something like facial palsy is frightening enough for the child to

:31:33.:31:35.

come to terms with without there being a bullying problem to cope

:31:36.:31:39.

with. My daughter has been lucky. Despite being only eight, her

:31:40.:31:42.

friends have been amazing and helped her cope. Children who say mean

:31:43.:31:50.

things and stare are afraid. Keep up the good work those who are involved

:31:51.:31:54.

in this project." The website is really good and there

:31:55.:31:58.

is support for teachers there. So teachers need to be able to have

:31:59.:32:03.

resources and access to places where they can get more information and

:32:04.:32:05.

know how to deal with things. I hope that by creating a face

:32:06.:32:16.

equality Day, as we will next year, we will make sure this is raised on

:32:17.:32:19.

to the agenda of teachers in schools. And also start to reassure

:32:20.:32:27.

parents. Social goodness is at the root of an awful lot of this, and we

:32:28.:32:34.

need to give skills to all kids and teachers to deal with unusual

:32:35.:32:40.

appearance, and parents, in a very civilised way. Thank you for coming

:32:41.:32:47.

on. Chelsea, Billy, well done. Love you! Inset day today? They love it,

:32:48.:32:55.

we can't be doing with them! Thank you.

:32:56.:32:57.

Costly add-on treatments offered by UK fertility

:32:58.:33:01.

clinics to increase the chance of a birth are not backed by good

:33:02.:33:05.

scientific evidence they work, according to research.

:33:06.:33:09.

And we look ahead to the French presidential election and ask what

:33:10.:33:18.

it could mean for us in the UK. Almost none of the so-called "add

:33:19.:33:21.

on" treatments offered by fertility clinics to boost IVF success rates

:33:22.:33:27.

are backed up by scientific The study was commissioned

:33:28.:33:29.

by the BBC's Panorama programme, and is also published

:33:30.:33:33.

in the British Medical Journal. It found that only one of 27

:33:34.:33:36.

different treatments was supported by only moderate evidence that it

:33:37.:33:41.

could increase the chances The fertility regulator says it has

:33:42.:33:44.

limited powers to stop Football's world governing body FIFA

:33:45.:33:48.

says it is monitoring allegations of child sexual abuse

:33:49.:33:53.

within English football closely. It comes after more than 20

:33:54.:33:59.

ex-football players alleged they were victims of

:34:00.:34:01.

abuse as youngsters. The Professional Footballers'

:34:02.:34:03.

Association says the claims relate Meanwhile, the FA has

:34:04.:34:05.

launched its own investigation into the allegations which is being

:34:06.:34:10.

led by an independent barrister. The Government is facing more legal

:34:11.:34:14.

challenges related to Brexit, this time about whether the UK stays

:34:15.:34:17.

in the single market Lawyers will argue that the UK does

:34:18.:34:19.

not automatically leave the European Economic Area

:34:20.:34:24.

when it leaves the EU. Countries who are in the EEA get

:34:25.:34:28.

access to barrier free trade, in return for paying into some EU

:34:29.:34:31.

budgets and accepting the free The UK Independence Party

:34:32.:34:34.

will announce its new leader in just Nigel Farage has been holding

:34:35.:34:40.

the reins as interim leader since his successor,

:34:41.:34:45.

Diane James, stepped down after less The three candidates are the former

:34:46.:34:47.

deputy leader Paul Nuttall, former deputy chairman Suzanne Evans

:34:48.:34:52.

and party activist John Rees-Evans. The announcement will be live

:34:53.:34:59.

on the BBC News channel at 11.45am. For some, it's taken the fun out

:35:00.:35:02.

of their Saturday nights, for others, it should

:35:03.:35:05.

have come sooner. Ed Balls has left

:35:06.:35:07.

Strictly Come Dancing. The former Labour shadow chancellor

:35:08.:35:09.

was the surprise star of this series, entertaining fans

:35:10.:35:12.

with his memorable moves despite often being at

:35:13.:35:14.

the bottom of the scoreboard. But this week the public vote failed

:35:15.:35:17.

to save him and his That's a summary of the latest news,

:35:18.:35:20.

join me for BBC Newsroom There is a new Formula 1 world

:35:21.:35:37.

champion and it is Nico Rosberg. He finished second in the Abu Dhabi

:35:38.:35:41.

Grand Prix, the final race of the season, behind Lewis Hamilton, but

:35:42.:35:44.

that gave him enough points to win the world title for the first time.

:35:45.:35:49.

England are struggling in the third Test match against India. India

:35:50.:35:54.

built a first innings lead of 134, England have lost three wickets in

:35:55.:35:57.

their second innings, including Moeen Ali for just five, they are

:35:58.:36:03.

70-3. Jose Mourinho was sent to the stands for kicking a water bottle in

:36:04.:36:06.

Manchester United's draw at home to West Ham after Paul Pogba was booked

:36:07.:36:11.

for diving. He will miss their next game. Celtic have won their 100th

:36:12.:36:16.

major title, beating Aberdeen 3-0 in the Scottish League Cup final, their

:36:17.:36:23.

first trophy under Brendan Rodgers. More

:36:24.:36:25.

a message from a lady on Facebook, she has had IVF... I have been

:36:26.:36:32.

through IVF twice, I try to get pregnant after I got married at 25,

:36:33.:36:37.

twice it didn't work, a miscarriage the first time in the second time I

:36:38.:36:41.

didn't get pregnant at all. I was told by my consultant I couldn't get

:36:42.:36:45.

pregnant without treatment. In two weeks at the end of June, I went on

:36:46.:36:49.

holiday and came back to find I was pregnant without IVF, I think

:36:50.:36:53.

because I wasn't thinking about it, I changed my diet, I wasn't

:36:54.:36:57.

stressed, we were enjoying each other's company. Before that, I was

:36:58.:37:02.

trying herbal and natural stuff. Now I have my new arrival coming soon, I

:37:03.:37:07.

would never recommend IBS unless you have tried everything else. It takes

:37:08.:37:13.

a toll on you, the pain. -- IVF. You can end up causing problems in your

:37:14.:37:18.

marriage. We are going to talk about it more in ten minutes, particularly

:37:19.:37:21.

about the add-ons that certain clinics will offer and say will help

:37:22.:37:27.

you get pregnant. Scientific research suggests that's not

:37:28.:37:28.

necessarily the case. We now know who two

:37:29.:37:31.

of the three main candidates for the French presidential

:37:32.:37:33.

elections in April will be. Francois Fillon was last night

:37:34.:37:35.

overwhelmingly chosen to represent the main centre-right Republican

:37:36.:37:39.

party in the forthcoming election. He will stand against Marine Le Pen,

:37:40.:37:41.

of the far-right National Front, and a Socialist candidate that

:37:42.:37:44.

hasn't yet been selected, but could be Francois Hollande,

:37:45.:37:47.

the current President who's fairly So who are the contenders?

:37:48.:37:51.

What do they stand for? And what will a victory for any

:37:52.:37:58.

of the candidates mean for the UK? We can speak to Jacques Myard,

:37:59.:38:08.

a member of the Republicans Party. And Agnes Poirier,

:38:09.:38:11.

a political commentator. Tell the British audience what

:38:12.:38:17.

people in France were voting for yesterday. First of all, it was the

:38:18.:38:23.

first time the French right were holding primaries. Secondly, it was

:38:24.:38:29.

not just for the people on the right... In a way it's very exciting

:38:30.:38:37.

as a democratic exercise. There were two rounds. The people who voted, a

:38:38.:38:45.

lot of people, want to... INAUDIBLE.

:38:46.:38:52.

I'm so sorry to interrupt. It is a really bad line, I'm so sorry. While

:38:53.:38:58.

we sort that out, I'm going to bring in Jack. Tell us about Francois

:38:59.:39:04.

Fillon. What is he promising? First of all, I would say that this

:39:05.:39:11.

exercise was a big success. It is true that many French rotas came and

:39:12.:39:17.

voted. Not only on the right-hand side of the political scene. --

:39:18.:39:22.

French voters. They wanted Alain Juppe instead of Francois Fillon.

:39:23.:39:27.

Francois Fillon is a man of experience, but he has something

:39:28.:39:32.

more. Of course he has a project in terms of cutting expenses, cutting

:39:33.:39:39.

the Secret Service... You know, he wants to get rid of 500,000 civil

:39:40.:39:44.

servants. He will go step-by-step and it will not be a shock, you

:39:45.:39:51.

know, in one shot. But it has something more. I think he has been

:39:52.:39:57.

succeeding because he is of a quiet strength, he appears as a man of

:39:58.:40:01.

calm and serenity. When Juppe was very excited... This is what I

:40:02.:40:10.

think, he forces confidence. I think this is one of his main, you know,

:40:11.:40:15.

strengths, main argument to win. But of course it is not yet finished.

:40:16.:40:22.

How will Mr Fillon go about trying to beat Marine Le Pen from the

:40:23.:40:27.

National Front, and whoever the Socialist candidate will be? Yes,

:40:28.:40:33.

well, I think he has a good chance. I think Le Pen, of course she now

:40:34.:40:41.

has a challenger. She will very likely be in the second round of the

:40:42.:40:45.

presidential election. But I don't think that she has a good chance to

:40:46.:40:50.

win, because there are many, many, let's say a huge majority of the

:40:51.:40:55.

French who would like to have her as a president. But she will be in the

:40:56.:40:59.

second round, it's likely. The strength of Fillon, he also attracts

:41:00.:41:09.

people who have voted for Le Pen in the past election. Because, you

:41:10.:41:12.

know, he has the support of a great part of the conservative Catholics,

:41:13.:41:17.

for instance, who sometimes have been voting for the extreme right. I

:41:18.:41:21.

believe they will come back to Fillon. Agnes, what is Marine Le Pen

:41:22.:41:32.

promising voters should she win? INAUDIBLE.

:41:33.:41:37.

She will go through to the second round, it is almost a mathematical

:41:38.:41:41.

fact, because the left is so fragmented. Francois Hollande and

:41:42.:41:49.

his Prime Minister, to be chosen at the next primaries...

:41:50.:41:57.

INAUDIBLE. The most likely to win against

:41:58.:42:01.

Marine Le Pen in the second round, that is the question. Francois

:42:02.:42:08.

Fillon, perhaps. A lot of people on the left think that Fillon...

:42:09.:42:13.

I'm so sorry, it is just a horrible line, really sorry about that. We

:42:14.:42:20.

persist, because we don't like to give up, but I am afraid on that we

:42:21.:42:24.

are just giving up, I am really sorry.

:42:25.:42:27.

When you make the decision to try IVF to have a baby

:42:28.:42:34.

you are vulnerable, both emotionally, financially, with each

:42:35.:42:36.

round of treatment for those not eligible for NHS funding costing

:42:37.:42:39.

Many UK fertility clinics also offer "add-on" fertility

:42:40.:42:46.

treatments which can cost anything up to ?3,500 on top of

:42:47.:42:48.

But this evening's Panorama suggests that

:42:49.:42:55.

almost none of these "add-on" treatments are backed up by high

:42:56.:42:58.

Of the 27 different treatments available, the study found only one

:42:59.:43:02.

was supported by even moderate evidence that it could help women

:43:03.:43:05.

We can talk to Professor Carl Heneghan from Oxford University's

:43:06.:43:12.

Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine, who conducted the research

:43:13.:43:14.

Juliet Tizzard is from the Human Fertilisation

:43:15.:43:19.

and Embryology Authority, which regulates IVF.

:43:20.:43:24.

And parents Frankie and Tom Wheeler, who paid approximately ?6,000

:43:25.:43:28.

for a number of "add-on" fertility treatments, on top of

:43:29.:43:30.

And joining us from Nottingham is Dr Simon Fishel, founder

:43:31.:43:35.

And we haven't introduced this delightful little baby here.

:43:36.:43:49.

Bridget. She is seven months. Congratulations. Welcome to the

:43:50.:43:54.

programme. Professor, when we say add-on treatments, what are we

:43:55.:44:00.

talking about? A cycle of IVF includes using the embryo and

:44:01.:44:03.

implanting it, plus some drugs, but beyond that there are add-on

:44:04.:44:08.

treatments you can be offered at the clinic. We have found there is

:44:09.:44:12.

considerable variation across the UK in who offers what. No consistency.

:44:13.:44:17.

That shows a problem immediately, because if it is an evidence-based

:44:18.:44:21.

approach and it is shown to make a difference, you will offer the

:44:22.:44:24.

treatment to everyone. That is the standard way we work in clinical

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practice. If you are not quite sure, you may offer it in some way, some

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clinics are using this to say, we are better than another clinic, we

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have an advantage because of this, trying to do their own little

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studies based on their own data, and then say, well, in the last ten

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babies we have delivered, they had this treatment. And then you said at

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the beginning, you get the situation where the motive... It is very

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difficult to get a balanced decision based on the evidence. One of the

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treatments you looked at, PGS involves screening the embryo for

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abnormalities. That is the really interesting one. The first version

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of it was shown to reduce your chance of having a baby. For every

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thousand women who had this treatment, there was 147 less babies

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born. It took ten years to do the trials. Until we discovered that.

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And then in about 2008, everyone said, OK, this is not a good thing

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to do, let's stop doing it. The problem is, we now have PGS version

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two, with newer tests. They are doing them in the light of poor

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quality evidence. Offering them to couples at high costs. Hello,

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Doctor, you have found Care fertility clinics. You offer PGS at

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your clinics. How much does it cost? About ?2500, added onto the IVF

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procedure. Poor quality evidence for offering it, according to the

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Professor? Of course, unfortunately, the professor is talking about a

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study that was done ten years ago. The study itself was widely

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criticised as being flawed. There is indeed some very difficult problems

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about getting the evidence. So the European Society of human

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reproduction decided it needed to conduct a trial. It has been

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undertaking that trial for six years. It hasn't been able to

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recruit. It will probably not ever published the trial. So why are you

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offering this until we have the evidence? Let me tell you, when it

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does publish this trial, it is two generations of technology out of

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date. We are now in a situation where we have moved on in the field

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and we have technology to overcome a real clinical problem. 70% of

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embryos do not make babies. One of the biggest causes of the problem is

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chromosomal errors that arise in those embryos. And we now have the

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technology, and we know from the US recently, none of this is covered or

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considered in the Oxford academic paper. 140,000 embryos were tracked

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last year in America. Those which used PGS, they had 12% higher live

:47:20.:47:27.

birth rate. It is an extra 16,000 babies because PGS was used. What do

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we say to a 35-year-old woman, a couple who want a baby? They have

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had a miscarriage, they may have tried IVF and it doesn't work. 35,

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36, 37 years old. Do we say we have this technology at the moment, this

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is the limited evidence we have available... Do you accept that,

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Professor? You are giving couples a choice? I accept completely that you

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give couples a choice, but you give them a choice based on the best

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available evidence. You tell them the benefits and the harm in effect.

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You want to know that and then you should take the information away and

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discuss it and come to a balanced decision. At the moment there is an

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overrepresentation of the benefits, many of the studies don't report the

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harm. PGS, if it did give you that benefit, we would want to know that

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because we would want to make that available to everyone because it

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would reduce the number of cycles. It is difficult to get an insight

:48:28.:48:36.

into how challenging it can be. You were doing this for seven years.

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Give us a flavour of what that time was like. Challenging is the right

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word. Life changing. Your whole life gets put on hold whilst you're going

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through it because you just, all you're after is a baby. Your life

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becomes about babies and putting your life on hold until you get a

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baby. We're very, very fortunate that we were lucky enough to have

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Brigitte. You enter this point of desperation and despair and you

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become open to anybody stacking an extra 1% or 2% in your favour. We

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were given advice and we had to make calls on things which were unproven

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and untested and fortunately, we did seem to get it right. How much did

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you spend on add-ones? The last cycle, when we won, we did an extra

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five or six I would think at least. Add-ones? Yes. Costing in total?

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?5,000 or ?6,000. But it was including the pregenetic screening.

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That was our last resort. We wanted to test our embryos. We went to our

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clinic and said this is what we want to do. Of course, you would say

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every penny was worth it? You can't put a price on it. It is a fairly

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unbiassed opinion. Did you ever feel without naming names or referring to

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clinics, did you ever feel exploited? Not with our clinic at

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all. Previous advice, we had spoken to a lot of clinics and we can tell

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there is an element of being exploited, I think, but we were

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fortunate with our clinic. Firstly, we were under informed of informed

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it was very difficult to find the information ourselves. It is such a

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small niche market. Simon, do you ever exploit couples who come to

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you? Well, I would certainly hope not. It is very important that we

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professionally give patients written information and we do that and I

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agree entirely with the professor, the information that patients are

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given, it is extremely important. What they didn't do in their study

:50:42.:50:45.

unfortunately was to seek the information directly from clinics,

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not their websites, on what written information is given to patients to

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allow them to make an informed consent. We give as much information

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as is available to the medical specialist as to the patients. It is

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extremely important. They have hard choices, but they are trying very

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hard to sift through this information. Juliette, what do you

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think? Well, I'm not surprised by this, but I'm dismayed by what I

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have heard about the study. What can you do? Well, the approach that

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we're take as the regulator of IVF, but not unfortunately a number of

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these add-ones is to speak to patients like Frankie and Tom and to

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give them the information... What bit do you regulate and you can't

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regulate the add-on bit? It depends on the add-on. We have some

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regulated control over PGS and we expect clinics to give certain

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information. Why can't you regulate the lot? Because we don't regulate

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drugs and surgical procedures and we could try to acquire those powers,

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but I think for us the important thing is to help patients who feel

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really at sea in all of this and really confused by the conflicting

:52:03.:52:04.

information. There is often, they are not sure who to trust, they

:52:05.:52:08.

phone us and say, "Is there anywhere we can get information that's

:52:09.:52:14.

unbiassed. " The we are the only place you can get that. We're using

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our scientific advice and we will be look ago the this study to give good

:52:19.:52:22.

information to patients via our website and to appeal to clinics to

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ability responsibly. Maybe if there is limited evidence you shouldn't be

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charging for this, maybe it should be part of a trial. If there is good

:52:31.:52:34.

he have, information is great. That's all patients want is good

:52:35.:52:38.

information. There is more on Panorama tonight on

:52:39.:52:40.

BBC One at 8.30pm. She's one of the biggest selling

:52:41.:52:44.

artists of her generation. Alicia Keys has been talking

:52:45.:52:47.

to Babita Sharma for Alicia Keys welcome to the 100

:52:48.:53:08.

Women. What happened with you with the decision to say, "I'm not going

:53:09.:53:15.

to wear make-up anymore." I was becoming overly concerned with other

:53:16.:53:18.

people's opinions of me. To the point where I would be freaked out

:53:19.:53:21.

because I was leaving the house and I didn't have make-up on and I was

:53:22.:53:25.

just realising there was so much that, so much that I had learned and

:53:26.:53:30.

that I think we all learn as specially as women, you know, and

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girls from the second they were born, from before we even come out,

:53:35.:53:40.

you know, there is all of these images and these expectations and

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all of these, you know, particular pressures that have made us to think

:53:49.:53:54.

this is what beauty. This is what a successful woman is or this is what

:53:55.:53:58.

a famous woman is. What do you think we as women can do to push against

:53:59.:54:03.

that? What should we be telling our daughters? I'm one just for variety.

:54:04.:54:09.

That's my thing, you know, I just want myself and my daughter, if I

:54:10.:54:15.

had one and my sons, you know, to see a variety of what people look

:54:16.:54:21.

like. Here is what people look like. You know what I mean? We look a vast

:54:22.:54:28.

array of ways and it is really not about make-up or no make-up or

:54:29.:54:32.

anything like that, it is about what makes you comfortable and it is also

:54:33.:54:35.

about being able to explore different versions of what makes you

:54:36.:54:38.

comfortable and seeing what happened. You should be able to

:54:39.:54:42.

without your dad, your girlfriend, your boyfriend, your husband,

:54:43.:54:49.

saying, "Stop. Quiet. Just just give me a second to have my whole

:54:50.:54:53.

experience. It is all you, regardless and even for myself, when

:54:54.:54:57.

I want to wear make-up, that's my choice. I can wear make-up and no

:54:58.:55:01.

one should be able to say, "Didn't you say you were never going to. No,

:55:02.:55:09.

that's not what I was saying. Congratulations on your new albumt.

:55:10.:55:16.

Thank you. One track stood out for me, Girl Can't scab. Herself. --

:55:17.:55:34.

Girl Can't Be Herself. My favourite part says when a girl can't be

:55:35.:55:40.

herself no more, I just want to dry. I just want to cry for the world.

:55:41.:55:48.

When a girl can't be herself no more, I just want to cry. I just

:55:49.:55:59.

want to cry for the world. It is so beautiful. It also is quite sad for

:56:00.:56:06.

me. Sad that has to be out there. They message has to be given to

:56:07.:56:11.

girls? Yeah, it is sad actually. It is sad that girls can't be

:56:12.:56:17.

themselves. It's sad that, you know, sad that through this whole election

:56:18.:56:23.

process in America that, you know, because Hillary was so strong and

:56:24.:56:32.

clear and tough, you know, how much unnecessary things were said about

:56:33.:56:36.

her being a woman, you know. It is like we as women, we can be any way.

:56:37.:56:41.

We can be many ways and it is sad when you can't be yourself, you

:56:42.:56:45.

know. Whoever that self is, whatever that is. And that's, you know,

:56:46.:56:51.

that's a problem with girls all over the world, you know and there is so

:56:52.:56:55.

much oppression for women and there is so much oppression for girls and

:56:56.:56:59.

there is so many, you know, unequal opportunities for girls and for

:57:00.:57:04.

women. And it is sad. We've gone through one of the most bitterly

:57:05.:57:10.

fought elections in America's history. You've said in the past

:57:11.:57:14.

about Donald Trump that you don't listen to anything that he says and

:57:15.:57:17.

you said you don't care about what he thinks about women. He's going to

:57:18.:57:23.

be your next president, 45th president of the United States of

:57:24.:57:29.

America. How do you feel about that? I'm disappointed. I'm disappointed

:57:30.:57:39.

that so much hateful rhetoric and sexism and bigotry and racial slurs

:57:40.:57:49.

and intolerance would be rewarded with a presidency.

:57:50.:57:54.

Alicia Keys, thank you for being part of our 100 Women Season on the

:57:55.:57:59.

BBC. Thank you very much, it is my pleasure.

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# When a girl can't be herself no more.

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# I just want to cry. # I just want to cry for the world.

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# When a girl... ... # More on the 100 Women season on the

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BBC News website. This e-mail is from someone who

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says, "For most days she would go home from school crying and had few

:58:28.:58:31.

friends because of it. Thank you very much

:58:32.:58:34.

He's a scientist. Brilliant, apparently.

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