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Hello it's Monday, it's 9 o'clock, I'm Victoria Derbyshire, | :00:07. | :00:09. | |
This morning, children living with facial disfigurements tell us | :00:10. | :00:15. | |
about the bullying they're subjected to. | :00:16. | :00:20. | |
I wasn't pretty enough to be in their group, they didn't want to be | :00:21. | :00:26. | |
friends with me because I was wet, I looked different and didn't match | :00:27. | :00:31. | |
them. They left me and isolated me. -- I was weird. | :00:32. | :00:36. | |
One child was told "I'd kill myself if I looked like you" - | :00:37. | :00:39. | |
we'll get reaction and ask if schools should do | :00:40. | :00:41. | |
more to educate children about facial disfigurements. | :00:42. | :00:43. | |
Also on the programme, as seven football clubs are linked | :00:44. | :00:46. | |
to allegations of historical child sex abuse, we ask mums and dads | :00:47. | :00:49. | |
watching their children play football in one junior | :00:50. | :00:51. | |
league their reaction to the revelations. | :00:52. | :00:54. | |
Very sad to think that you leave your children with someone you | :00:55. | :01:00. | |
trust, and they are taken advantage of. It's just dreadful, absolutely | :01:01. | :01:05. | |
dreadful. Their childhood has been taken away. | :01:06. | :01:12. | |
And - they're out, no more of this year's novelty acts | :01:13. | :01:15. | |
When I say honey, you say G. When I say honey, you say G. | :01:16. | :01:32. | |
Hello, welcome to the programme, we're live until 11 this morning. | :01:33. | :01:54. | |
Throughout the programme, we'll bring you the latest breaking news | :01:55. | :01:56. | |
And we're really keen to hear your views | :01:57. | :02:01. | |
on all the stories we're talking about. | :02:02. | :02:07. | |
After 10.30 we'll be discussing IVF - | :02:08. | :02:11. | |
a new study suggests almost none of the costly "add on" treatments | :02:12. | :02:14. | |
offered by fertility clinics to boost success rates are backed up | :02:15. | :02:17. | |
by scientific evidence proving that they actually work. | :02:18. | :02:22. | |
If you've used them, do get in touch to share your experiences - | :02:23. | :02:25. | |
use the hashtag #victorialive and if you text, you will be charged | :02:26. | :02:28. | |
Our top story this morning - another legal challenge over Brexit. | :02:29. | :02:33. | |
Pro-EU campaigners are seeking support from judges | :02:34. | :02:36. | |
for their argument that Britain has to take separate action to leave | :02:37. | :02:41. | |
the European Economic Area, known as the EEA, which gives us | :02:42. | :02:44. | |
access to the single market and allows the free movement | :02:45. | :02:46. | |
They say the UK will not leave that automatically when it leaves | :02:47. | :02:53. | |
the European Union, and it should be up to MPs to decide. | :02:54. | :02:56. | |
But the government says membership of the EEA ends | :02:57. | :02:59. | |
I really hope you are following this. If not, we have got Norman. | :03:00. | :03:16. | |
Start from the beginning. It is complicated, but the topline is the | :03:17. | :03:19. | |
country is facing a potential double legal whammy over Brexit. Ministers | :03:20. | :03:24. | |
are already facing a challenge in the courts to trigger Article 50, to | :03:25. | :03:31. | |
leave the EU. Now some legal eagles have come up with a second challenge | :03:32. | :03:37. | |
about leaving the single market. What it all boils down to is we are | :03:38. | :03:42. | |
members of the single market for two reasons. One, we are in the EU, but | :03:43. | :03:48. | |
we also in this other thing, the European economic area. And the | :03:49. | :03:52. | |
argument of the legal eagles is we may leave the EU but we will still | :03:53. | :03:56. | |
be in the European economic area, so we will still be in the single | :03:57. | :04:00. | |
market. So they are now watching a legal challenge to say, in effect, | :04:01. | :04:05. | |
if we are going to leave single market, the EEA, it is going to have | :04:06. | :04:09. | |
to be approved by parliament. Almost a mirror image copy over the | :04:10. | :04:14. | |
challenge of Article 50. Why this matters is the danger of the | :04:15. | :04:18. | |
government sinking into a legal quagmire, dragging on for months and | :04:19. | :04:22. | |
months. And there is one other issue. If we stay in the single | :04:23. | :04:27. | |
market, then we will have to allow free movement. In other words, it | :04:28. | :04:33. | |
will put the kibosh on Mrs May's attempt to curb migration from the | :04:34. | :04:38. | |
EU into Britain. So potentially this could matter big-time. Understood. | :04:39. | :04:44. | |
The Polish Prime Minister is in town meeting Theresa May. What can we | :04:45. | :04:49. | |
expect? It is symbolic, a big Fandango of a meeting, they have | :04:50. | :04:54. | |
come over with a whole load of Cameron ministers, meeting our | :04:55. | :04:57. | |
Cabinet Ministers and it is designed to send a message. The message is | :04:58. | :05:02. | |
that we are still going to be friends with other countries. -- a | :05:03. | :05:07. | |
whole load of Cabinet Ministers. So we can still have good relationships | :05:08. | :05:12. | |
with other EU countries. There is a second part to it. We are going to | :05:13. | :05:17. | |
agree to send some of our soldiers to the Polish border. A lot of | :05:18. | :05:21. | |
people suspect we are giving them a nudge and a wink, saying, you know | :05:22. | :05:25. | |
what, we're going to give you some troops, maybe you can cut us a deal | :05:26. | :05:29. | |
when it comes to Brexit. There is a suspicion that that is what today's | :05:30. | :05:32. | |
talks are about. Joanna Gosling is in the BBC | :05:33. | :05:35. | |
Newsroom with a summary The people of France have a clearer | :05:36. | :05:38. | |
idea of who could be their next President | :05:39. | :05:42. | |
after Francois Fillon was overwhelmingly chosen | :05:43. | :05:44. | |
to represent the main centre-right Mr Fillon, a former prime minister | :05:45. | :05:46. | |
under President Nicolas Sarkozy, told supporters he understood | :05:47. | :05:50. | |
the gravity of the crisis facing France, promising what he calls | :05:51. | :05:53. | |
a complete change to He will stand in April | :05:54. | :05:55. | |
against a Socialist candidate that hasn't yet been | :05:56. | :06:00. | |
selected and Marine Le Pen, US President-elect Donald Trump has | :06:01. | :06:02. | |
claimed that millions of people voted illegally | :06:03. | :06:07. | |
in the country's recent elections. In a tweet, Mr Trump said | :06:08. | :06:12. | |
he would have won the popular vote ahead of his Democratic rival | :06:13. | :06:15. | |
Hillary Clinton if those He offered no evidence | :06:16. | :06:17. | |
to back up his claim. Mrs Clinton gained about two million | :06:18. | :06:23. | |
votes more across the country as a whole, but Mr Trump secured | :06:24. | :06:26. | |
the all-important electoral college Fighting has been continuing | :06:27. | :06:28. | |
in several districts of eastern Aleppo, as the Syrian army | :06:29. | :06:36. | |
and their allies continue their major offensive to retake | :06:37. | :06:38. | |
control of the city. Pro-government forces are seeking | :06:39. | :06:41. | |
to split the rebel-held zone Activists say several | :06:42. | :06:44. | |
thousand civilians have fled since Saturday, | :06:45. | :06:50. | |
both to government and other A record number of inmates have | :06:51. | :06:52. | |
taken their own lives in prisons in England and Wales | :06:53. | :06:58. | |
so far this year. Researchers for The Howard League | :06:59. | :07:01. | |
for Penal Reform, say suicides have The Ministry of Justice has already | :07:02. | :07:03. | |
pledged extra officers and special A new study suggests that almost | :07:04. | :07:08. | |
none of the so-called "add on" treatments offered by fertility | :07:09. | :07:14. | |
clinics to boost IVF success rates are backed up | :07:15. | :07:17. | |
by scientific evidence. The research was commissioned | :07:18. | :07:20. | |
by the BBC's Panorama programme, and is also published | :07:21. | :07:22. | |
in the British Medical Journal. It found that of the 27 different | :07:23. | :07:25. | |
treatments examined, only one was supported by even | :07:26. | :07:28. | |
moderate evidence that it could increase the chances | :07:29. | :07:31. | |
of having a baby. The extra procedures | :07:32. | :07:39. | |
can cost up to ?3,500 Fertility problems affect about one | :07:40. | :07:41. | |
in seven couples in the UK and treatment when not funded | :07:42. | :07:47. | |
by the NHS may run into tens Even reputable fertility clinics | :07:48. | :07:49. | |
offer a wide range of additional treatments designed to improve | :07:50. | :07:55. | |
the chances of IVF working and these Embryos are put in special devices, | :07:56. | :07:58. | |
there are additional But Panorama, which worked | :07:59. | :08:02. | |
with the University of Oxford, found nearly every enhancement | :08:03. | :08:07. | |
examined lacked high-quality evidence to show it made the process | :08:08. | :08:10. | |
any more likely to result Some of these treatments are of no | :08:11. | :08:12. | |
benefit to you whatsoever and some I can't understand how this has been | :08:13. | :08:22. | |
allowed to happen in the UK. Jessica Hepburn spent ?70,000 on 11 | :08:23. | :08:26. | |
failed attempts and now campaigns These are doctors, we believe | :08:27. | :08:29. | |
what doctors tell us. And this is a doctor that | :08:30. | :08:35. | |
holds my happiness in his hands. The fertility regulator says it only | :08:36. | :08:39. | |
has limited powers to prevent the add-ons being sold | :08:40. | :08:41. | |
or to control pricing. But it does publish information | :08:42. | :08:45. | |
about treatments so people can But the concern is patients face | :08:46. | :08:48. | |
costly decisions when they're desperate for success and they may | :08:49. | :08:53. | |
be of no benefit. The UK Independence Party | :08:54. | :08:58. | |
will announce its new leader Nigel Farage has been holding | :08:59. | :09:00. | |
the reins as interim leader since his successor, | :09:01. | :09:05. | |
Diane James, stepped down after less The three candidates are the former | :09:06. | :09:07. | |
deputy leader Paul Nuttall, former deputy chairman Suzanne Evans | :09:08. | :09:14. | |
and party activist John Rees-Evans. The announcement will be live | :09:15. | :09:21. | |
on the BBC News channel at 11.45. The families of some of the victims | :09:22. | :09:24. | |
of the Birmingham pub bombings will use a hearing later to ask | :09:25. | :09:27. | |
for financial help 21 people were killed in the blasts | :09:28. | :09:29. | |
in November 1974. Six men were initially found guilty | :09:30. | :09:35. | |
but their convictions Inquests into the deaths are due | :09:36. | :09:37. | |
to reopen next year, with families seeking government | :09:38. | :09:43. | |
support similar to the funding There are calls for more to be done | :09:44. | :09:45. | |
to tackle discrimination of people A leading charity has told this | :09:46. | :09:51. | |
programme that discrimination could even be worse than other | :09:52. | :09:57. | |
forms, including racism, as very There are now calls to roll out | :09:58. | :09:59. | |
an education programme across schools to promote | :10:00. | :10:05. | |
what they call Face Equality. We'll be meeting children who've | :10:06. | :10:09. | |
faced their own struggles with facial disfigurement | :10:10. | :10:13. | |
in a special report at 9.15am. Ed Balls has left Strictly Come | :10:14. | :10:33. | |
Dancing. He was a surprise star of the series, entertaining fans with | :10:34. | :10:36. | |
memorable moves despite being bottom of the scoreboard. But this week, | :10:37. | :10:40. | |
the public vote failed to save him and his partner. | :10:41. | :10:44. | |
If people watching have had half the fun I've had learning to dance | :10:45. | :10:47. | |
with Katya then they must have had a complete blast because it's | :10:48. | :10:50. | |
The judges, all the supporters, the make-up team, the wardrobe, | :10:51. | :10:53. | |
in particular that band are the best in the world. | :10:54. | :10:56. | |
Some comments from you on facial discrimination. Suzanne: children | :10:57. | :11:12. | |
should not experienced name-calling or worse just because they are | :11:13. | :11:16. | |
different. Susan: when you have anything different, someone will | :11:17. | :11:20. | |
always want to use it to hurt you. What satisfaction they get, who | :11:21. | :11:24. | |
knows? Some people are ignorant and nasty. Still today people will sit | :11:25. | :11:27. | |
there and make comments, even if they don't know you? Why? Marion: we | :11:28. | :11:33. | |
are too preoccupied with looks and this needs stamping out. Good on you | :11:34. | :11:37. | |
for highlighting it. The film is coming up in the next couple of | :11:38. | :11:38. | |
minutes. Now some sport. Lewis Hamilton won | :11:39. | :11:50. | |
the final Formula 1 race of the season but his team-mate Nico | :11:51. | :11:54. | |
Rosberg won the Drivers' Championship, although team-mates, I | :11:55. | :11:54. | |
use the word loosely! It has been a fascinating battle in | :11:55. | :12:06. | |
the second half of the season. They drive for Mercedes but it has been a | :12:07. | :12:09. | |
fractious friendship, if you can even call it friendship. The final | :12:10. | :12:13. | |
race was in Abu Dhabi and Hamilton had to win the race and he needed | :12:14. | :12:19. | |
Nico Rosberg to finish in fourth all over, so Hamilton on pole was | :12:20. | :12:24. | |
deliberately driving slowly in an attempt to push Nico Rosberg into | :12:25. | :12:28. | |
the other drivers behind him. Hamilton was repeatedly told by his | :12:29. | :12:32. | |
team to speed up. He told them, let us race. It has been described as | :12:33. | :12:39. | |
dirty tactics. It didn't quite work. Nico Rosberg, celebrating becoming | :12:40. | :12:43. | |
world champion for the first time in his career. Something his father did | :12:44. | :12:48. | |
in 1982. Hamilton is the one people were talking about. This is Rosberg | :12:49. | :12:55. | |
celebrating by doing doughnuts. It certainly meant a dramatic final | :12:56. | :13:00. | |
race of the season. Rosberg winning by five points in the end. Jose | :13:01. | :13:06. | |
Mourinho is in trouble again. He's like a little boy, isn't he? You | :13:07. | :13:11. | |
could say that. He was sent to the stands by the referee for the second | :13:12. | :13:15. | |
time in two months, this time in the 1-1 draw against West Ham. He was | :13:16. | :13:19. | |
annoyed by a yellow card given to Paul Pogba, as the referee felt that | :13:20. | :13:25. | |
he dived. Kicking a water bottle. That got him sent to the stands by | :13:26. | :13:30. | |
John Moss, the referee. He was also dismissed last month by a different | :13:31. | :13:34. | |
referee and he was banned and find after the match against Burnley. The | :13:35. | :13:40. | |
yellow card means Paul Pogba is suspended for the League Cup | :13:41. | :13:44. | |
quarterfinal against West Ham, the team they were playing yesterday. | :13:45. | :13:48. | |
Manchester United, 11 points behind the league leaders Chelsea. | :13:49. | :13:54. | |
Frustration all round. Finally tennis, a moment of compassion in a | :13:55. | :13:59. | |
hard-fought Davis Cup match. If you think Andy Murray is emotional, | :14:00. | :14:04. | |
watch on Martin del Potro. Great Britain won the Davis Cup last year. | :14:05. | :14:09. | |
This time it was Argentina against Croatia, and the Argentina fans are | :14:10. | :14:14. | |
extraordinarily passionate. It was like being at a football match, del | :14:15. | :14:18. | |
Potro in the Olympics. The fans are so noisy, they don't abide by the | :14:19. | :14:22. | |
rules. Among the passion, Marin Cilic's serves, he hit a ball girl | :14:23. | :14:29. | |
and del Potro stopped the match to make sure she was OK. This was an | :14:30. | :14:34. | |
important match, the reverse singles, Argentina were 3-1 down by | :14:35. | :14:41. | |
this point. She is crying. Del Potro asks for a replacement to be brought | :14:42. | :14:45. | |
on. You can see the fans really enjoying the situation. She goes | :14:46. | :14:51. | |
off, and actually del Potro goes on to win the match. Argentina went on | :14:52. | :14:55. | |
to win the Davis Cup for the first time in their history, 3-2 against | :14:56. | :14:59. | |
Croatia. The fans loved it and there was also a special Argentine there, | :15:00. | :15:03. | |
Maradona enjoyed the occasion. He went a bit bonkers at some of the | :15:04. | :15:08. | |
points. Argentina winning the Davis Cup. You can see him there. | :15:09. | :15:14. | |
Argentina win the Davis Cup for the first time. | :15:15. | :15:17. | |
"I'd kill myself if I had a face like yours." | :15:18. | :15:22. | |
What one young boy with facial disfigurements was told. | :15:23. | :15:24. | |
This morning we're going to be looking at the kind of abuse | :15:25. | :15:27. | |
The UK's leading charity on facial abnormalities, Changing Faces, | :15:28. | :15:35. | |
has told this programme face discrimination could even be worse | :15:36. | :15:37. | |
than other forms, like racism, because very little is being done | :15:38. | :15:40. | |
They want to roll out an education programme across schools nationally | :15:41. | :15:44. | |
Our reporter Ashley John-Baptiste has been to meet children who've | :15:45. | :15:51. | |
faced their own private struggles just because of their faces. | :15:52. | :16:04. | |
The twin who doesn't look like the other. | :16:05. | :16:09. | |
We can hear what people say and we can see that they are looking | :16:10. | :16:12. | |
When I walk into town, I get stared at a lot. | :16:13. | :16:22. | |
One guy said that I would be way hotter if I didn't have | :16:23. | :16:35. | |
facial palsy and he would date me if I didn't. | :16:36. | :16:37. | |
Different stories, but similar experiences. | :16:38. | :16:38. | |
We are going to meet the children who are stared at, laughed at, | :16:39. | :16:41. | |
We want to know how they and their families cope. | :16:42. | :16:52. | |
It's like a grieving process, you haven't had the child that | :16:53. | :16:54. | |
And we are testing whether the ground-breaking face pulling | :16:55. | :17:03. | |
lessons are changing the way that children think. | :17:04. | :17:05. | |
I want to see the world through the eyes of children that | :17:06. | :17:18. | |
Billy's family have struggled to even take him out in public. | :17:19. | :17:30. | |
At times it can be soul destroying, it really can because as a parent | :17:31. | :17:33. | |
So you can see that his head is not a normal shape. | :17:34. | :17:59. | |
He is a twin and he was born with a syndrome. | :18:00. | :18:08. | |
All of this part here around his nose. | :18:09. | :18:11. | |
The paediatric registrar didn't even refer to Billy as a baby, | :18:12. | :18:19. | |
he just said, "I have never seen anything like it before". | :18:20. | :18:24. | |
You have had kids who have seen Billy and have started crying. | :18:25. | :18:35. | |
Not just crying, hysterically crying. | :18:36. | :18:36. | |
Because they are scared of him and they think | :18:37. | :18:39. | |
Billy is still really young, he is nine years old. | :18:40. | :18:42. | |
Massively, because there is so much prejudice with | :18:43. | :18:50. | |
He would just say, "Why is that boy staring at me or pointing at me?" | :18:51. | :19:05. | |
You don't want to keep saying to him, well, your face | :19:06. | :19:08. | |
is different, that is why they are looking at you all | :19:09. | :19:11. | |
Marcus' disfigurement is just skin deep. | :19:12. | :19:24. | |
He is 12 and he is a talented trampolinist. | :19:25. | :19:26. | |
But he was born with a cleft, a gap in his face. | :19:27. | :19:33. | |
In reception, I was the boy with a face. | :19:34. | :19:43. | |
I was actually bullied because of the way that your face looks? | :19:44. | :19:46. | |
Yes, some people have called me Scarface. | :19:47. | :19:48. | |
One time, I was ten, someone came up to me and said, | :19:49. | :19:51. | |
if they looks like me, they would kill themselves. | :19:52. | :19:53. | |
After when I came home I just burst into tears. | :19:54. | :19:56. | |
I thought right I think I need to go to school and sort it out. | :19:57. | :20:02. | |
And he said, don't, you will just make things worse | :20:03. | :20:05. | |
They don't listen, I tell the teachers and nothing changes, | :20:06. | :20:08. | |
And I got in touch with Changing Faces. | :20:09. | :20:11. | |
And they came to school, and spoke to the school about how | :20:12. | :20:14. | |
The charity Changing Faces deals with face discrimination, set up | :20:15. | :20:19. | |
Every single social interaction is problematic and so is what was | :20:20. | :20:27. | |
going on here because my brain was saying people like you, | :20:28. | :20:30. | |
people like you, looking like that, don't succeed. | :20:31. | :20:34. | |
This kind of preconception about disfigurement happens | :20:35. | :20:36. | |
Impressionable minds will pick up these things very quickly. | :20:37. | :20:47. | |
This short survey is about the general public's | :20:48. | :20:57. | |
We have asked a research company to come and test year fives, | :20:58. | :21:01. | |
The children are being shown a series of faces and they have | :21:02. | :21:09. | |
to match positive words like at the unsuccessful, | :21:10. | :21:11. | |
or negative words like sad and I'm confident with the photos. | :21:12. | :21:14. | |
Because it is your brain reaction, you can't cheat it. | :21:15. | :21:19. | |
This is kind of an experiment for us. | :21:20. | :21:21. | |
This test has never been used with children before | :21:22. | :21:24. | |
and we are looking at how quickly people can associate positive words | :21:25. | :21:26. | |
with images with people with facial disfigurement. | :21:27. | :21:33. | |
Tests like this are used across the world to find out | :21:34. | :21:36. | |
what we really think on subjects such as gender, | :21:37. | :21:38. | |
People with facial disfigurements, are they as likely as being | :21:39. | :21:45. | |
disfigured against as black people, women or gay people? | :21:46. | :21:51. | |
I think that it is, as painful, but I don't think it is recognised. | :21:52. | :21:57. | |
Virtually everyone who takes this is slower to be positive | :21:58. | :22:00. | |
towards disfigured faces but the question is, | :22:01. | :22:01. | |
Although you are slower at associating positive values | :22:02. | :22:32. | |
of people with facial disfigurements is, you are only 11% slower. | :22:33. | :22:34. | |
Adults in the UK that we have tested before at a score of 27%. | :22:35. | :22:37. | |
The classes much more positive about facial disfigurement | :22:38. | :22:39. | |
than the UK in general but the children are about to get | :22:40. | :22:42. | |
We will test them tomorrow to see if there is a difference | :22:43. | :22:46. | |
Looking different is tough for any kid, especially | :22:47. | :22:53. | |
when you are a teenage girl and image is everything. | :22:54. | :22:57. | |
I have come to Somerset, to talk to a young girl, | :22:58. | :23:00. | |
that has a facial condition that means that she can't smile. | :23:01. | :23:02. | |
Mainly that I was not pretty enough to be in their group and they did | :23:03. | :23:18. | |
not want to be friends with me because I was weird or I looks | :23:19. | :23:22. | |
not want to be friends with me because I was weird or I looked | :23:23. | :23:26. | |
They just all left me and isolated me because of my face. | :23:27. | :23:30. | |
Before the surgery with a smile, you can see happy little girl. | :23:31. | :23:33. | |
Caitlin was only a little baby before she developed | :23:34. | :23:35. | |
They took the whole tumour out and while doing that, | :23:36. | :23:49. | |
they called the smiling nerve and as a result of that, | :23:50. | :23:52. | |
So the whole side of her face dropped. | :23:53. | :23:55. | |
I took are to have her photo taken with her brother | :23:56. | :24:00. | |
and the photographer said, "Mum, what is she doing with her face?" | :24:01. | :24:10. | |
And I was "what do you mean", and she said that silly face | :24:11. | :24:13. | |
that she is pulling, and that is a photographer | :24:14. | :24:15. | |
in a preschool and that is the first time that I broke down | :24:16. | :24:18. | |
The preschool leader was trying to calm it all down | :24:19. | :24:22. | |
and that is the point that I realise that nothing was going to be | :24:23. | :24:25. | |
As a 14-year-old teenage girl, how important is image to you? | :24:26. | :24:29. | |
I think very important, that is where everyone really | :24:30. | :24:31. | |
On my Instagram comments, sometimes I get oh you are ugly, | :24:32. | :24:35. | |
or you shouldn't be taking pictures like that. | :24:36. | :24:45. | |
So I started taking pictures of half of my face instead of my whole face. | :24:46. | :24:57. | |
The whole time, I put a lot of make up my eyes to distract people | :24:58. | :25:03. | |
Seeing that children have two become resilient in the face of bullying. | :25:04. | :25:07. | |
It still happens but I have my friends to help me. | :25:08. | :25:10. | |
Did you ever see people poke fun at school? | :25:11. | :25:12. | |
Yes, they were calling him Scarface but me and Connor, we back him up, | :25:13. | :25:15. | |
Yes, because I acted normal, normal to everyone else. | :25:16. | :25:21. | |
As soon as JJ said well he was the same as everybody else, | :25:22. | :25:24. | |
When people point at Billy, what do you do? | :25:25. | :25:40. | |
She's quite good with Billy because she defends him very well. | :25:41. | :25:46. | |
But for Caitlin, primary school was hard. | :25:47. | :25:48. | |
What did the school due to support you? | :25:49. | :25:52. | |
They didn't feel like it was a big enough issue. | :25:53. | :26:04. | |
If I found a magic lamp and I could have one wish, | :26:05. | :26:09. | |
I wish that I would have a normal face and that no one | :26:10. | :26:12. | |
I wish I could walk down the street without people seeing me, | :26:13. | :26:16. | |
It is one of a few in the country teaching face equality. | :26:17. | :26:24. | |
It started with the book Wonder, about a boy with a facial | :26:25. | :26:26. | |
Compared with racism or homophobia or sexism, how important is it | :26:27. | :26:30. | |
The school uses and lesson plans from Changing Faces. | :26:31. | :26:41. | |
The charity wants to see it rolled out across the country. | :26:42. | :26:46. | |
Why do you think so many schools are behind the trend in terms | :26:47. | :26:59. | |
of supporting kids with facial disfigurement? | :27:00. | :27:01. | |
It is the pressure they have got to get those academic results are, | :27:02. | :27:04. | |
that is the biggest priority for most of the school. | :27:05. | :27:06. | |
The children are also meeting markers and Caitlin. | :27:07. | :27:15. | |
Well when I first went in there was a lot staring | :27:16. | :27:17. | |
Was it kind of a bit more hard to make friends at school? | :27:18. | :27:22. | |
It wasn't hard when I first started school but as I grew up and people | :27:23. | :27:26. | |
grew up and we all started to realise I was a bit | :27:27. | :27:29. | |
Just, it is not you with the problem. | :27:30. | :27:43. | |
Once they started engaging with things that they had similar | :27:44. | :28:03. | |
charities with such as Pokemon, those barriers just | :28:04. | :28:05. | |
But has the lesson changed the views of the pupils? | :28:06. | :28:10. | |
They are taking the same test that they did yesterday | :28:11. | :28:12. | |
when they were 11% slower to match positive words | :28:13. | :28:14. | |
It's a brain reaction tests your school will not improve practice. | :28:15. | :28:24. | |
Basically we don't really notice the facial disfigurement, | :28:25. | :28:31. | |
It would suggest that the education they had after yesterday's test | :28:32. | :28:42. | |
That is a very plausible explanation. | :28:43. | :28:49. | |
Really surprised. Meeting those children, we are all the same. | :28:50. | :29:15. | |
It is part of the discrimination Act. You cannot discriminate against | :29:16. | :29:19. | |
someone with a facial disfigurement. This year I did definitely gained | :29:20. | :29:31. | |
a lot of confidence and realise that it is not Michaels | :29:32. | :29:38. | |
and if they have a problem with it How would you like | :29:39. | :29:41. | |
people to judge you? From my personality and what I do, | :29:42. | :29:45. | |
not by my face. If you want to share that full film, | :29:46. | :29:48. | |
you can find it again on our programme page: | :29:49. | :29:51. | |
bbc.co.uk/victoria. Thank you to everyone got in touch. | :29:52. | :30:00. | |
Tony says, "This needs stampling out. Education is the only way." | :30:01. | :30:06. | |
Jeanette says, "I was encouraged to return to work as a teach we are | :30:07. | :30:13. | |
severe facial palsy. I became depressed and for months suicidal | :30:14. | :30:20. | |
and I have PDST as a result." John says, "I had severe acne which left | :30:21. | :30:26. | |
me with scars. Rarely do I escape verbal abuse on a daily basis." | :30:27. | :30:36. | |
Heidi says, "Yes, schools should be making pupils aware of | :30:37. | :30:40. | |
discrimination." Another viewer says, "Everyone is different. | :30:41. | :30:43. | |
Whatever their background." Thank you. Keep them | :30:44. | :30:47. | |
In the next Keep them hour of the programme, | :30:48. | :30:49. | |
we'll be speaking more people who've been discriminated because of | :30:50. | :30:51. | |
and looking at what can be done to stop this type of bullying. | :30:52. | :30:56. | |
UKIP will announce its new leader later this morning. | :30:57. | :31:01. | |
As Nigel Farage stands down for the third time, we'll be joined | :31:02. | :31:04. | |
by an audience of UKIP voters who'll tell us what they want | :31:05. | :31:07. | |
The end of an era for Ed Balls as he finally | :31:08. | :31:12. | |
gets booted out of Strictly - we'll be looking at his ten-week run | :31:13. | :31:16. | |
Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news. | :31:17. | :31:22. | |
Almost none of the so-called "add on" treatments offered by fertility | :31:23. | :31:25. | |
clinics to boost IVF success rates are backed up by | :31:26. | :31:27. | |
The study was commissioned by the BBC's Panorama programme, | :31:28. | :31:34. | |
and is also published in the British Medical Journal. | :31:35. | :31:38. | |
It found that only one of 27 different treatments was supported | :31:39. | :31:41. | |
by moderate evidence that it could increase | :31:42. | :31:43. | |
The fertility regulator said it has limited powers to stop | :31:44. | :31:48. | |
The Government is facing more legal challenges related to Brexit, | :31:49. | :31:54. | |
this time about whether the UK stays in the single market | :31:55. | :31:57. | |
Lawyers will argue the UK should not also leave the European Economic | :31:58. | :32:02. | |
Countries who are in the EEA get access to barrier-free trade, | :32:03. | :32:11. | |
in return for paying into some EU budgets and accepting the free | :32:12. | :32:13. | |
The Prime Minister will host a summit with her Polish counterpart | :32:14. | :32:18. | |
in Downing Street today, with Brexit and defence | :32:19. | :32:20. | |
The Polish Prime Minister has warned the UK | :32:21. | :32:28. | |
will need to "compromise" in its forthcoming negotiations | :32:29. | :32:30. | |
with the European Union, but says her country will approach | :32:31. | :32:33. | |
the discussions in a "constructive and down-to-earth manner". | :32:34. | :32:49. | |
More than 20 ex-players alleging they were victims of sexual abuse. | :32:50. | :32:58. | |
The FA investigation is being led by an independent barrister. | :32:59. | :33:02. | |
The people of France have a clearer idea of who could be | :33:03. | :33:05. | |
their next President, after Francois Fillon | :33:06. | :33:07. | |
was overwhelmingly chosen to represent the main centre-right | :33:08. | :33:09. | |
Mr Fillon, a former prime minister under President Nicolas Sarkozy, | :33:10. | :33:14. | |
will stand in April against a Socialist candidate, | :33:15. | :33:16. | |
and Marine Le Pen, of the far-right National Front. | :33:17. | :33:21. | |
The UK Independence Party will announce its new leader | :33:22. | :33:23. | |
Nigel Farage has been holding the reins as interim leader | :33:24. | :33:27. | |
since his successor, Diane James, stepped down after less | :33:28. | :33:29. | |
The three candidates are the former deputy leader Paul Nuttall, | :33:30. | :33:33. | |
former deputy chairman Suzanne Evans and party activist John Rees-Evans. | :33:34. | :33:38. | |
The announcement will be live on the BBC News channel at 11.45am. | :33:39. | :33:42. | |
That's a summary of the latest BBC News. | :33:43. | :33:44. | |
Nico Rosberg is the new Formula 1 world champion, having finished | :33:45. | :33:57. | |
second in the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix, the final race of the season, to | :33:58. | :34:01. | |
Lewis Hamilton, but that was enough to take the title by five points. | :34:02. | :34:05. | |
England are up against it in the third Test match against India. | :34:06. | :34:11. | |
India built a first-innings lead of 134, but England have just lost | :34:12. | :34:15. | |
their captain Alastair Cook for 12 runs. Jose Mourinho was sent to the | :34:16. | :34:20. | |
stands for kicking a water bottle in Manchester United's draw at home to | :34:21. | :34:24. | |
West Ham, after Paul Pogba was booked for diving. United have made | :34:25. | :34:29. | |
their worst start in the league since 1989. Celtic have won their | :34:30. | :34:35. | |
100th major title after beating Aberdeen 3-0 in the Scottish League | :34:36. | :34:39. | |
Cup final, their first trophy under Brendan Rodgers. More at ten | :34:40. | :34:40. | |
o'clock. A couple more comments on bullying | :34:41. | :34:48. | |
that children are subjected to because of the way they look. Ashley | :34:49. | :34:52. | |
Cole on children are taught respect by adults, who make nasty and | :34:53. | :35:02. | |
hurtful remarks. -- Ashley:. In my adult life, although I have come to | :35:03. | :35:05. | |
terms that I am different and accept my impediments, other people do not | :35:06. | :35:08. | |
accept them. UKIP's new leader will be | :35:09. | :35:12. | |
announced later this morning. It means Nigel Farage's third spell | :35:13. | :35:14. | |
as leader of the party I have never been | :35:15. | :35:17. | |
and I have never wanted to be So I feel it is right that I now | :35:18. | :35:29. | |
stand aside as the leader of Ukip. The leader of the UK | :35:30. | :35:38. | |
Independence Party, Diane James! Watching TV this afternoon, | :35:39. | :35:45. | |
you'll be watching the opposition I will continue as the interim | :35:46. | :35:47. | |
leader of Ukip and we will go I keep trying to escape | :35:48. | :35:59. | |
and going over the wall and running for the hills and before I'm finally | :36:00. | :36:06. | |
free they track me back. The man tipped to be Ukip's next | :36:07. | :36:14. | |
leader is in hospital after an altercation | :36:15. | :36:17. | |
with a colleague in There were no punches thrown, | :36:18. | :36:20. | |
no face slapping, nothing. As people would say, | :36:21. | :36:33. | |
it was handbags at dawn. So, who do party members and voters | :36:34. | :37:02. | |
want to take over as the next leader, and will they have the same | :37:03. | :37:06. | |
attraction as Nigel Farage? Here with us, the Ukip MEP for the East | :37:07. | :37:12. | |
of England, Tim Aker, and a group of Ukip voters. Thank you. Tim Aker, | :37:13. | :37:16. | |
who do you want to be the new leader and what should their focus be? I | :37:17. | :37:21. | |
support Paul Nuttall, I think he has the experience within the party. To | :37:22. | :37:28. | |
see us into our next stage. We have won the referendum, we have to make | :37:29. | :37:31. | |
sure Brexit means Brexit, but we have to win council seats and get | :37:32. | :37:36. | |
more MPs next time. Labour is in disarray, they would rather talk | :37:37. | :37:39. | |
about Castro than council housing, they are not talking about the | :37:40. | :37:43. | |
issues of working-class voters. You are in a bit of disarray yourself? | :37:44. | :37:48. | |
We have seen worse, we survived Kilroy. Some of our audience will | :37:49. | :37:55. | |
not know who he is. A lot of people will. We have been winning | :37:56. | :38:00. | |
by-elections. On the day of the altercation, we won a by-election in | :38:01. | :38:05. | |
Hartlepool. With Paul hopefully as leader, we can march into labour | :38:06. | :38:08. | |
areas and win council seats and be prepared for the next election. Tell | :38:09. | :38:12. | |
us what you want from the next leader. I am Tricia Gulliver from | :38:13. | :38:17. | |
Bromley, a member of the Bromley committee for Ukip. I want the next | :38:18. | :38:24. | |
leader to unite the party, which is so very important. Is that through | :38:25. | :38:29. | |
the charisma of their personality? Their policies? How would they do | :38:30. | :38:34. | |
that? Strength of character and experience that they can bring. Go | :38:35. | :38:45. | |
ahead. I am Matt, 24, and I joined the party in April 2000 15. I used | :38:46. | :38:52. | |
to support Labour. Why did you switch in April 2015? They were not | :38:53. | :38:58. | |
listening to working-class people struggling to make a living. Ukip | :38:59. | :39:02. | |
were the only ones that work. Listening to us. -- that were | :39:03. | :39:12. | |
listening to us. I live in Thurrock. We have had a Labour run council for | :39:13. | :39:19. | |
a long time. Labour MPs, and now it's Conservative. I am now an | :39:20. | :39:23. | |
activist for the party. What is the future for you? I support Paul | :39:24. | :39:30. | |
Nuttall, I have done from the offset. The party has a great | :39:31. | :39:35. | |
future. I have been knocking on doors since after May as well, when | :39:36. | :39:41. | |
I stood. Knocking on doors, and our support base has been returning to | :39:42. | :39:45. | |
us. I have been speaking to people that voted for us, saying, we're not | :39:46. | :39:50. | |
going anywhere, we are not going to disappear. The party has a strong | :39:51. | :39:53. | |
future, we have to keep knocking on the doors and asking important | :39:54. | :39:58. | |
questions. What is it that people are asking you when you knock on the | :39:59. | :40:03. | |
door? Anything. What can we do for you? We are public servants. We have | :40:04. | :40:10. | |
to listen to the people. I was like that myself. You don't see a | :40:11. | :40:13. | |
counsellor knocking on your door very often, only at election time, | :40:14. | :40:18. | |
that is what is great about Ukip, out all the time, knocking on doors. | :40:19. | :40:25. | |
I am Rebecca, from Ipswich, a Ukip voter pretty much ever since I could | :40:26. | :40:29. | |
vote. I have always supported the party, I haven't been a member of | :40:30. | :40:34. | |
it. My main issue has been the EU and getting out. I am incredibly | :40:35. | :40:39. | |
happy with the result of the referendum. Ukip needs a strong | :40:40. | :40:43. | |
leader to lead us forward and get us out of the EU, get Brexit sorted. | :40:44. | :40:47. | |
Don't you trust Theresa made to do that? No. When she was Home | :40:48. | :40:54. | |
Secretary, she couldn't manage the borders, so how can she manage | :40:55. | :40:58. | |
Brexit? She said it is keeping her awake at night. There is a pamphlet | :40:59. | :41:05. | |
on how to get us out in a week, repeal the 1972 European Communities | :41:06. | :41:11. | |
Act, job done. She is not the reason a, she is Theresa maybe! -- she is | :41:12. | :41:21. | |
not Theresa May. Do you not think it is slightly more complicated than | :41:22. | :41:24. | |
you have made it sound? It is complicated because they want to | :41:25. | :41:28. | |
make it complicated and draw it out. Frankly get on with it. For what | :41:29. | :41:35. | |
purpose? To grind everyone down. But we are not going away. | :41:36. | :41:43. | |
INAUDIBLE QUESTION. You think she is going to change | :41:44. | :41:48. | |
completely? 17 million people said they wanted to leave... Yes, they | :41:49. | :41:54. | |
did. Nigel Farage offered to help the government with the President of | :41:55. | :41:58. | |
the US. He has the best relationship... Any incoming Prime | :41:59. | :42:06. | |
Minister... He decided to put country before party. Their response | :42:07. | :42:11. | |
was to laugh in the House of Commons. It seems they are willing | :42:12. | :42:14. | |
to put party above country with this. I am Nick, a Ukip member since | :42:15. | :42:25. | |
2002. That was when I realised Gordon Brown had trashed my pension. | :42:26. | :42:29. | |
I started taking notice of what was going on in the world. Who do you | :42:30. | :42:36. | |
want to lead Ukip? I voted for Paul Nuttall. On the basis of his | :42:37. | :42:45. | |
experience. But what I have found, particularly with this referendum, | :42:46. | :42:52. | |
both the people object into being in the EU and the people who wanted to | :42:53. | :42:56. | |
stay in the EU, none of them had a very good idea of what the EU was | :42:57. | :43:01. | |
all about. Quite a good example, a bit earlier in this programme, you | :43:02. | :43:05. | |
had a chap talking about the single market. He only gave half the story. | :43:06. | :43:12. | |
It isn't really a single market... We are not going to get into your | :43:13. | :43:16. | |
definition of the single market, if you don't mind, we don't have time, | :43:17. | :43:21. | |
let's hear from Josh. I have been a member of the party since 2015. Why | :43:22. | :43:29. | |
do you support Ukip? I was half and half with the Conservative Party, | :43:30. | :43:33. | |
but with David Cameron and Theresa May, true conservatives like | :43:34. | :43:36. | |
Thatcher, they are very centrist, they just mumble a lot. They don't | :43:37. | :43:42. | |
get the job done on the economy. We have had a Conservative government | :43:43. | :43:46. | |
since 2010, and yet get in borrowing is up. Neither party has any clue | :43:47. | :43:52. | |
how to sort out the economy, because national debt will be ?1.9 trillion | :43:53. | :43:57. | |
by the end of the decade. Who do you support? Suzanne Evans. Have you | :43:58. | :44:04. | |
heard her talk about reducing the deficit? She wants to focus on | :44:05. | :44:11. | |
educating the young to do jobs so we don't have to rely on immigration. | :44:12. | :44:15. | |
She wants a less intrusive state, cutting down on waste and NHS | :44:16. | :44:20. | |
management, to get the deficit under control by not borrowing, like | :44:21. | :44:22. | |
Labour would, to spend how they want. We need defence policies to | :44:23. | :44:29. | |
make sure we stick to defence, because that is an area where we do | :44:30. | :44:32. | |
need to spend money. She has a balanced idea of the role of | :44:33. | :44:37. | |
government, so it is not just cutting and spending, which the | :44:38. | :44:42. | |
other parties seem to be about. Just on point, talking about government | :44:43. | :44:46. | |
finances, our manifesto at the last general election was the only one to | :44:47. | :44:51. | |
be independently costed. Feted by independent experts. I understand. | :44:52. | :45:00. | |
-- vetted. Norman Smith was talking about the government saying we will | :45:01. | :45:06. | |
automatically come out of the European economic area when we leave | :45:07. | :45:09. | |
the EU, but actually lawyers are saying there has to be a formal | :45:10. | :45:13. | |
process, Parliament should be given the chance to trigger it as well. It | :45:14. | :45:18. | |
seems to be watering down the whole process, doesn't it? Republic have | :45:19. | :45:23. | |
spoken. Politicians are there, as Matt said... Tell me which | :45:24. | :45:29. | |
politician is saying the public hasn't spoken? Which politician is | :45:30. | :45:32. | |
saying we are going to ignore the public? In power... Owen Smith is | :45:33. | :45:41. | |
not in power. Theresa May has a majority of, what, 12? There are | :45:42. | :45:47. | |
enough hard-core remaineders to make this a messy process, just get on | :45:48. | :45:52. | |
with it. Give us an early Christmas present, get up this week and say we | :45:53. | :45:56. | |
are just going to do it. We are going to send the letter and start | :45:57. | :46:02. | |
negotiations. Better still... Why does it matter, December or March? | :46:03. | :46:08. | |
Because get on with it. The longer she leaves it, the more I have a | :46:09. | :46:13. | |
point. They are trying for a second referendum. Clause 50 was put into | :46:14. | :46:19. | |
the Lisbon Treaty not to allow people to leave, but to make it | :46:20. | :46:23. | |
extremely difficult for people to leave without horrendous financial | :46:24. | :46:27. | |
consequences. The simplest thing is to cut the Gordian knot and repeal | :46:28. | :46:33. | |
the 1972 act. It was brought in by blatant lies by Ted Heath in | :46:34. | :46:37. | |
Parliament to the country. Strictly speaking it shouldn't be legal. | :46:38. | :46:41. | |
Thank you very much for coming on. Your view is welcome. | :46:42. | :46:46. | |
News from Fifa. It is to do with the recent revelations of historic | :46:47. | :46:54. | |
sexual abuse in football. Fifa says it is monitoring allegations of | :46:55. | :46:58. | |
child sex abuse within English football closely. "We are aware of | :46:59. | :47:02. | |
the allegations. Fifa considers the frOks and young people as | :47:03. | :47:07. | |
fundamental in football and we will monitor the situation closely." Fifa | :47:08. | :47:13. | |
saying they are aware of the allegations in British football. We | :47:14. | :47:16. | |
are monitoring them closely and we consider the protection of children | :47:17. | :47:20. | |
and young people fundamental in football." | :47:21. | :47:24. | |
If you want to see our interview with the four men who were on the | :47:25. | :47:30. | |
programme on Friday morning, former professional footballers, former | :47:31. | :47:32. | |
junior footballers who talked very movingly about the kind of sexual | :47:33. | :47:36. | |
abuse that they experienced as little boys, then go to YouTube and | :47:37. | :47:40. | |
you will be able to find the full interview there. | :47:41. | :47:51. | |
OK - spoiler alert - we're going to talk about Strictly | :47:52. | :47:57. | |
And for both programmes it was the end of the novelty act. | :47:58. | :48:03. | |
After ten weeks Ed Balls finally got booted out with politicians | :48:04. | :48:05. | |
from all parties saying how much he'll be missed. | :48:06. | :48:09. | |
His old adversary the former Prime Minister David Cameron says | :48:10. | :48:11. | |
the programme "wouldn't be the same without him". | :48:12. | :48:13. | |
If people watching have had half the fun I've had learning to dance | :48:14. | :49:51. | |
with Katya then they must have had a complete blast because it's | :49:52. | :49:53. | |
Goodness gracious, Ed Balls on fire! At least Ed Balls got to dance with | :49:54. | :50:12. | |
our own Carol before he got booted off! | :50:13. | :50:18. | |
And... LAUGHTER | :50:19. | :50:26. | |
Well done. Well done. Well done. If I say honey, you say toast. | :50:27. | :50:32. | |
Honey. Toast. It is Honey G time. | :50:33. | :50:48. | |
# Whose hot? # Can't you hear the music? | :50:49. | :50:55. | |
# Now, push it. # Push it good. | :50:56. | :51:05. | |
# Push it real good. # Unemployment a record high. | :51:06. | :51:11. | |
# Coming coming, people going and I don't know why. | :51:12. | :51:14. | |
# Don't ask me because I don't know why, but it's like that | :51:15. | :51:22. | |
# And that's the way it is. # No fingerprints. | :51:23. | :51:27. | |
# Watch your back. # Come on. | :51:28. | :51:35. | |
# When I say honey, you say G. # Honey. | :51:36. | :51:44. | |
# When I say honey, you say go. # Honey. | :51:45. | :51:56. | |
My friend Kathy can do the best impression of Honey G. Let's speak | :51:57. | :52:20. | |
to Ann Widdecombe who was on Strictly this 2010. She was knocked | :52:21. | :52:24. | |
out in week ten, that's the exact week as Ed Balls. Arc nn, good | :52:25. | :52:29. | |
morning. Good morning. What did you think of his journey? I thought he | :52:30. | :52:34. | |
was tremendously entertaining. He was enjoying T the first week I | :52:35. | :52:37. | |
thought oh dear there, isn't going to work because he looked stiff and | :52:38. | :52:43. | |
formal, but somebody gave him some good advice and from we can two | :52:44. | :52:47. | |
onwards he really looked as if he was enjoying it. But he was | :52:48. | :52:51. | |
improving, wasn't? That's something I could never say. But he did | :52:52. | :52:57. | |
improve. I wonder if there are similarities with you in that, | :52:58. | :53:02. | |
suddenly you go on Strictly as a former politician and you become a | :53:03. | :53:06. | |
much-loved human being? Well, the thing is that people see a side of | :53:07. | :53:10. | |
you that they never saw before and quite right, you you know, we were | :53:11. | :53:19. | |
both doing serious jobs. Both of us were released from those | :53:20. | :53:23. | |
responsibilities and threw ourselves into enjoying ourselves and that's | :53:24. | :53:27. | |
infectious. Did it take you time to think I've got to, you know, get rid | :53:28. | :53:32. | |
of any inhibitions to really go for this? Oh, I kept some inhibitions. | :53:33. | :53:36. | |
There were things I wouldn't do and made that very clear from the start! | :53:37. | :53:40. | |
I'm sure the same was true of Ed. He probably said, I will do this, but I | :53:41. | :53:48. | |
won't do that and that's acceptable. All they want is for to you feel | :53:49. | :53:53. | |
comfortable about what you're doing. Who was your partner? It was Anton | :53:54. | :53:59. | |
Du Beke! How could I forget that? Peu would! Do you think they put him | :54:00. | :54:04. | |
with you or you with him? Yes. If you think about the height | :54:05. | :54:08. | |
difference, normally they wouldn't have made that pairing. But I think | :54:09. | :54:13. | |
they made it because he is very good with the duffers, he is good with | :54:14. | :54:17. | |
the old ladies. I think it was, they got it right. Did you see Ed Balls | :54:18. | :54:33. | |
gangnam style? He was hugely entertaining and huge fun and when | :54:34. | :54:36. | |
that happens the public will vote for you to come back. If the | :54:37. | :54:42. | |
programme was about dancing, you wouldn't have people like me and Ed | :54:43. | :54:47. | |
in it in the first place. Thank you for talking to us. Bye-bye. | :54:48. | :54:56. | |
Thank you for your messages about the film we ran earlier about the | :54:57. | :55:03. | |
child with facial disfigurements. This tweet from Boss 77. "Great is | :55:04. | :55:11. | |
getting coverage. People are so judgemental qments, "Some of us have | :55:12. | :55:17. | |
been bullied, stared at and picked on. I'm 56 and I cannot remember a | :55:18. | :55:21. | |
day when I have not been subject to some form of abuse. Maybe that's a | :55:22. | :55:27. | |
lie, a few of those days I may not have even left the house." Lleyton | :55:28. | :55:31. | |
says, "This shows how essential good education is for a caring society. | :55:32. | :55:36. | |
We must balance academic education with social education. Children | :55:37. | :55:42. | |
learn best when they have not learnt stereotypical attitudes." John on | :55:43. | :55:46. | |
e-mail, "I support your programme about childhood discrimination. Can | :55:47. | :55:52. | |
I ask you to say a word of support for the small child. I was tiny. I | :55:53. | :56:00. | |
was always picked on at school and called names of which Titch was the | :56:01. | :56:04. | |
nicest. Other children who were having a bad time always took it out | :56:05. | :56:09. | |
on me." We will have the layest news and | :56:10. | :56:13. | |
sport in a moment. Phil is here. We've got the Weather Watchers have | :56:14. | :56:19. | |
been at it again. Brave souls that they are! You have to be in some | :56:20. | :56:24. | |
spots of the British Isles. Nothing unusual. This is up in a wee village | :56:25. | :56:29. | |
in the north of Scotland. This captured how frosty and how foggy it | :56:30. | :56:33. | |
was this morning. Temperature here #34i news seven Celsius or so. Not | :56:34. | :56:38. | |
extraordinary for the time of year, and if you think that's a long way | :56:39. | :56:41. | |
in Scotland, it is coming further south. This was the glorious scene | :56:42. | :56:46. | |
captured by a less brave soul, one of our Weather Watchers Trish in | :56:47. | :56:52. | |
London. We have a mishmash. A week ago it was Storm Angus and now it is | :56:53. | :56:58. | |
quieter. We have got an area of high pressure and that's drawing in the | :56:59. | :57:01. | |
colder air which is showing itself across the eastern side of the | :57:02. | :57:04. | |
British Isles as clearer skies and we're going to push that a little | :57:05. | :57:07. | |
bit further towards the north and west through the course of the day. | :57:08. | :57:13. | |
We will have a glorious prospect of sunshine in the afternoon. | :57:14. | :57:16. | |
Temperatures not really responding to the sun sheuvenlt it is on the | :57:17. | :57:22. | |
cool side or the time of year and if you're exposed to the breeze, you | :57:23. | :57:25. | |
will feel it cold. We will keep the cloud across Northern Ireland for a | :57:26. | :57:30. | |
good part of the day and further north, the temperatures locked two, | :57:31. | :57:33. | |
three, four, five Celsius something of that order, but there will be | :57:34. | :57:36. | |
sunshine, and variable amounts of cloud. As soon as the sun goes down, | :57:37. | :57:40. | |
the temperatures are going to fall away. I was talking about minus | :57:41. | :57:45. | |
seven Celsius in the north of Scotland. Even in the towns and the | :57:46. | :57:50. | |
cities, we will be looking at temperatures really falling away and | :57:51. | :57:52. | |
that's the picture in the countryside. Somewhere in the | :57:53. | :57:58. | |
Midlands, southern Midlands, minus seven and minus eight. For Scotland | :57:59. | :58:01. | |
and Northern Ireland, you may have a wee touch of frost, but this cloud | :58:02. | :58:04. | |
associated with the weather front comes in and there will be rain for | :58:05. | :58:11. | |
the western northern isles and it tends to fizzle further south and | :58:12. | :58:14. | |
into Scotland and Northern Ireland. A slow process here so it doesn't | :58:15. | :58:17. | |
get into the borders until late on and having had a cold start, you | :58:18. | :58:21. | |
will be scraping your cars across England and Wales. The temperatures | :58:22. | :58:25. | |
never really recover. Three, four, five Celsius and that's if you can | :58:26. | :58:28. | |
get rid of the fog. There will be a wee bit of fog around and it will | :58:29. | :58:32. | |
dent the temperatures further. Tuesday and into Wednesday, high | :58:33. | :58:35. | |
pressure that was over the North Sea comes over towards the Republic of | :58:36. | :58:40. | |
Ireland and that has the effect of stopping the Continental air coming | :58:41. | :58:43. | |
at us and it is more maritime air with more moisture. We have got more | :58:44. | :58:47. | |
in the way of cloud. It will stay dry, but the high pressure just not | :58:48. | :58:52. | |
quite keeping those fronts away from the northern parts of Britain so | :58:53. | :58:54. | |
into Scotland and Northern Ireland. There will be spells of rain at | :58:55. | :58:58. | |
times, but the themes of the week, because of the high pressure, a lot | :58:59. | :59:00. | |
of dry weather, but is it warm? No! Good morning. It is Monday. This | :59:01. | :59:12. | |
morning children living with facial disfigurements tell us about the | :59:13. | :59:15. | |
bullying they experience on a daily basis. | :59:16. | :59:20. | |
One time I was ten, and someone came up to me and said if they look like | :59:21. | :59:28. | |
me, I would -- they would kill themselves. After, I came home and | :59:29. | :59:30. | |
burst into tears. Also on the programme, | :59:31. | :59:33. | |
as seven football clubs are linked to allegations of historical child | :59:34. | :59:35. | |
sex abuse, we ask mums and dads watching their children play | :59:36. | :59:38. | |
football in one junior league their reaction | :59:39. | :59:40. | |
to the revelations. Very sad to think that you leave | :59:41. | :59:42. | |
your children with someone you trust, and they are | :59:43. | :59:45. | |
taken advantage of. It's just dreadful, | :59:46. | :59:48. | |
absolutely dreadful. Research suggests most costly add-on | :59:49. | :00:04. | |
treatments offered by fertility clinics to increase the chance of | :00:05. | :00:08. | |
birth are not backed by scientific evidence. If you have been through | :00:09. | :00:12. | |
IVF: tell us your experiences this morning. | :00:13. | :00:16. | |
Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news. | :00:17. | :00:24. | |
Almost none of the so-called add-on treatments offered by fertility | :00:25. | :00:30. | |
clinics to boost IVF success rates are backed by scientific research | :00:31. | :00:32. | |
according to findings. The research was commissioned | :00:33. | :00:35. | |
by the BBC's Panorama programme, and is also published | :00:36. | :00:38. | |
in the British Medical Journal. It found that of the 27 different | :00:39. | :00:40. | |
treatments examined, only one was supported by even | :00:41. | :00:42. | |
moderate evidence that it could increase the chances | :00:43. | :00:44. | |
of having a baby. The fertility regulator says it has | :00:45. | :00:50. | |
limited power to stop clinics offering add-ons. | :00:51. | :00:57. | |
The Government is facing more legal challenges related to Brexit, | :00:58. | :00:59. | |
this time about whether the UK stays in the single market | :01:00. | :01:02. | |
Lawyers will argue the UK should not automatically leave | :01:03. | :01:07. | |
the European Economic Area when it leaves the EU. | :01:08. | :01:10. | |
Countries who are in the EEA get access to barrier-free trade, | :01:11. | :01:13. | |
in return for paying into some EU budgets and accepting the free | :01:14. | :01:16. | |
Fifa is monitoring allegations of child abuse in English football | :01:17. | :01:27. | |
closely after 20 ex players allege they were victims of abuse as | :01:28. | :01:31. | |
youngsters. The claims relate to seven different clubs. The FA has | :01:32. | :01:35. | |
launched its own investigation into the allegations, being led by an | :01:36. | :01:37. | |
independent barrister. US President-elect Donald Trump has | :01:38. | :01:39. | |
claimed that millions of people voted illegally | :01:40. | :01:41. | |
in the country's recent elections. In a tweet, Mr Trump said | :01:42. | :01:46. | |
he would have won the popular vote ahead of his Democratic rival | :01:47. | :01:49. | |
Hillary Clinton if those He offered no evidence | :01:50. | :01:51. | |
to back up his claim. Mrs Clinton gained about two million | :01:52. | :01:54. | |
votes more across the country as a whole, but Mr Trump secured | :01:55. | :01:57. | |
the all-important electoral college There are calls for more to be done | :01:58. | :02:00. | |
to tackle discrimination of people A leading charity has told this | :02:01. | :02:11. | |
programme that discrimination could even be worse than other | :02:12. | :02:15. | |
forms, including racism, as very There are now calls to roll out | :02:16. | :02:17. | |
an education programme across schools to promote | :02:18. | :02:21. | |
what they call Face Equality. And we'll be meeting children who've | :02:22. | :02:24. | |
faced their own struggles with facial disfigurement a little | :02:25. | :02:26. | |
later in the programme. For some, it's taken the fun out | :02:27. | :02:32. | |
of their Saturday nights, for others, it should | :02:33. | :02:35. | |
have come sooner. Ed Balls has left | :02:36. | :02:37. | |
Strictly Come Dancing. The former Labour shadow chancellor | :02:38. | :02:39. | |
was the surprise star of this series, entertaining fans | :02:40. | :02:42. | |
with his memorable moves despite often being at | :02:43. | :02:44. | |
the bottom of the scoreboard. But this week the public vote failed | :02:45. | :02:46. | |
to save him and his If people watching have had half | :02:47. | :02:49. | |
the fun I've had learning to dance with Katya then they must have had | :02:50. | :02:55. | |
a complete blast, because it's The judges, all the supporters, | :02:56. | :02:58. | |
the make-up team, the wardrobe, in particular that band | :02:59. | :03:03. | |
are the best in the world. That's a summary of | :03:04. | :03:06. | |
the latest BBC News. Julie: if Strictly was all about | :03:07. | :03:22. | |
contestants like Ed Balls, I would watch it all the time. Ed was ace. | :03:23. | :03:25. | |
Now the spot. Nico Rosberg is the new Formula 1 | :03:26. | :03:35. | |
world champion. He finished second behind his Mercedes team-mate and | :03:36. | :03:38. | |
championship rival Lewis Hamilton at the season-ending Abu Dhabi Grand | :03:39. | :03:43. | |
Prix. Hamilton had tried to slow down Rosberg so Sebastian Vettel and | :03:44. | :03:47. | |
Max Verstappen could push him back into fourth but Rosberg came through | :03:48. | :03:50. | |
and won the World Championship by just five points. That was | :03:51. | :03:54. | |
definitely not the most enjoyable race I have ever had. With those | :03:55. | :04:01. | |
guys coming up at the end, not very enjoyable, the last laps. Very glad | :04:02. | :04:08. | |
it is over. Ecstatic. I want to say a big thank you to everyone who | :04:09. | :04:12. | |
supported us this weekend. Thank you so much. I love you guys. Thank you | :04:13. | :04:19. | |
to my family for their support am especially to the team doing such a | :04:20. | :04:24. | |
great job. England are up against it in the third Test match against | :04:25. | :04:30. | |
India. India built a lead of 134, and then got the England captain | :04:31. | :04:36. | |
Alastair Cook for 12. 19-year-old Haseeb Hameed has been unable to bat | :04:37. | :04:40. | |
because of an injured finger and England have lost Moeen Ali to a | :04:41. | :04:44. | |
terrible shot after scoring just five runs. England 48-2, trailing by | :04:45. | :04:50. | |
86. Jose Mourinho's temper got the better of him again at Old Trafford, | :04:51. | :04:54. | |
sent off for the second time in four weeks as Manchester United drew 1-1 | :04:55. | :04:58. | |
with West Ham in the time you leak. Paul Pogba was booked for diving, | :04:59. | :05:05. | |
prompting an outburst in the FA will decide on further action. -- in the | :05:06. | :05:11. | |
Premier League. He was sent to the stands. United are 11 points behind | :05:12. | :05:14. | |
the leaders Chelsea, their worst start in the league since 1989. | :05:15. | :05:20. | |
Arsenal remain in fourth and keeping pace with their title rivals after a | :05:21. | :05:24. | |
3-1 win at home to Bournemouth. Alexis Sanchez scored twice to leave | :05:25. | :05:29. | |
them only three points behind Chelsea. Elsewhere, wins for | :05:30. | :05:35. | |
Southampton and Stoke. Celtic lifted their 100th major trophy with a | :05:36. | :05:39. | |
comfortable win over Aberdeen in the Scottish League Cup final. The 16th | :05:40. | :05:44. | |
time Celtic have won this competition, and a first piece of | :05:45. | :05:47. | |
silverware at the club for manager Brendan Rodgers. Six months and a | :05:48. | :05:54. | |
week to the day since I came in. We talked about what we wanted to | :05:55. | :05:59. | |
achieve and how we wanted to do it. We are certainly well on our way to | :06:00. | :06:03. | |
that. Very, very pleased with the performance. Five-time champion | :06:04. | :06:08. | |
Ronnie O'Sullivan eased into the third round of the snooker UK | :06:09. | :06:13. | |
Championship in York with a second successive 6-0 whitewash, this time | :06:14. | :06:17. | |
against Scotland's Rhys Clark, although he had a bit of luck to win | :06:18. | :06:22. | |
the match with a break of 131, his second flute in that frame. | :06:23. | :06:26. | |
Afterwards, he said he feels like he is blagging it as a snooker player. | :06:27. | :06:31. | |
As many as seven professional football clubs are now embroiled | :06:32. | :06:36. | |
in the historic child sex abuse scandal. | :06:37. | :06:40. | |
All the cases of sexual abuse in football revealed so far go back | :06:41. | :06:44. | |
decades, but the trigger for the latest revelation came just a week | :06:45. | :06:48. | |
Andy Woodward was the first to come forward, speaking | :06:49. | :06:53. | |
publicly for the first time about the abuse he received | :06:54. | :06:56. | |
in the 1980s as a boy at Crewe Alexandra. | :06:57. | :06:58. | |
All I wanted to do was be a footballer, | :06:59. | :07:01. | |
it was my dream, it was something I had always wanted to do. | :07:02. | :07:06. | |
He threatened me in a way that that was going to | :07:07. | :07:08. | |
He was abused by his former coach, Barry Bennell, | :07:09. | :07:15. | |
a man who later went to prison three times for child sex offences. | :07:16. | :07:23. | |
Bennell worked as a scout or coach for a number | :07:24. | :07:25. | |
of clubs in the north-west of | :07:26. | :07:28. | |
England including Stoke, Crewe Alexandra and Manchester City. | :07:29. | :07:33. | |
As well as showing them skills and explaining the game to | :07:34. | :07:41. | |
them, we show them that there is more to it than coming here one hour | :07:42. | :07:44. | |
Some others came forward saying that Barry Bennell had abused them too. | :07:45. | :07:53. | |
At the end of last week, four of his victims decided to speak out | :07:54. | :07:56. | |
All of this has got to be rectified as soon as possible. | :07:57. | :08:04. | |
More footballers came forward, this time saying | :08:05. | :08:08. | |
they were abused not by Barry Bennell but different coaches. | :08:09. | :08:12. | |
Former England international Paul Stewart said that he was assaulted | :08:13. | :08:14. | |
But I felt that I needed to do this so that other people will come out. | :08:15. | :08:33. | |
As of today, four different police forces say that they are | :08:34. | :08:36. | |
investigating cases of historical sex abuse in football. | :08:37. | :08:44. | |
Northumbria, Cheshire, Hampshire and the Met Police in London. | :08:45. | :08:47. | |
A special NSPCC hotline has taken more than | :08:48. | :08:49. | |
The head of the Professional Footballers Association | :08:50. | :08:57. | |
said yesterday that allegations had also been made against other clubs. | :08:58. | :09:02. | |
has now said there will be an independent review | :09:03. | :09:06. | |
and what actions clubs should and could have taken at the time. | :09:07. | :09:14. | |
This programme has been contacted by a number of former players | :09:15. | :09:18. | |
who also allege abuse since our interview | :09:19. | :09:21. | |
with Chris Unsworth, Jason Dunford, Steve Walters and Andy Woodward. | :09:22. | :09:26. | |
We hope to talk to some of those over the coming weeks and months, | :09:27. | :09:29. | |
but here's a reminder of that interview which prompted such | :09:30. | :09:32. | |
It began... He used to pick me up. I was probably one of the closest lads | :09:33. | :09:47. | |
that lived to his house. In the Peak District. He used to pick me up and | :09:48. | :09:56. | |
the abuse started in the car. He used to touch. We used to play games | :09:57. | :10:01. | |
in the car. And that's when it all started. And that would be on the | :10:02. | :10:07. | |
way to training? On the way to training and on the way back. And | :10:08. | :10:12. | |
then he invited you to stay over at his house? That happened a little | :10:13. | :10:19. | |
bit later, but not long after. At first, it was, you know, two, three | :10:20. | :10:26. | |
or four lads who used to stay there. There was always two or three... And | :10:27. | :10:34. | |
I'm going to ask you, Chris, what he did to you. At first it started, you | :10:35. | :10:42. | |
know, the games used to start. It was hands everywhere, then down the | :10:43. | :10:47. | |
pants. And then, later, it got more serious. In the bedroom. Where there | :10:48. | :10:56. | |
was penetration. Things like that. What age were you? I was about nine. | :10:57. | :11:03. | |
And if you want to watch that full interview, | :11:04. | :11:06. | |
you can find it on YouTube or our programme page, | :11:07. | :11:08. | |
just type Victoria Derbyshire and football into YouTube | :11:09. | :11:10. | |
Since that interview, Andy Woodward tweeted, | :11:11. | :11:19. | |
"Just had a message someone was going to take her life and saw | :11:20. | :11:23. | |
She now wants to live. We will survive and fight it." | :11:24. | :11:32. | |
We have been overwhelmed with e-mails and text messages from you. | :11:33. | :11:40. | |
I'm going to read a couple, no names. The revelations from the | :11:41. | :11:44. | |
footballers on your programme has been incredibly difficult for me to | :11:45. | :11:49. | |
watch. As a six-year-old boy, I was sexually abused once by a male | :11:50. | :11:53. | |
neighbour. Just once. It's had a massive impact on my life since. I | :11:54. | :11:59. | |
cannot imagine what repeated abuse must be like. And this, from another | :12:00. | :12:05. | |
viewer. I watched your programme and cried many tears with your guests, | :12:06. | :12:09. | |
because it brought back so much hurt, which still feels so raw. I | :12:10. | :12:18. | |
was also a victim of Barry Bennell at Butlins, I didn't even connect | :12:19. | :12:24. | |
him but I looked at photos of him with the dreaded Man City top on | :12:25. | :12:28. | |
that I will always see him wearing in the indoor soccer school. Thank | :12:29. | :12:32. | |
you for your programme, and I have now contacted the number you gave | :12:33. | :12:35. | |
and had an hour-long conversation with them. I am passing on all the | :12:36. | :12:39. | |
information to the relevant police authorities. Thank you for those. | :12:40. | :12:50. | |
And if you've been affected by any of the issues you can find a list | :12:51. | :12:53. | |
of helplines on the BBC's Action Line. | :12:54. | :12:55. | |
All four men we spoke to in that exclusive interview say | :12:56. | :13:00. | |
they were abused by a man called Barry Bennell, | :13:01. | :13:03. | |
who worked at a number of clubs, including Crewe as a youth coach. | :13:04. | :13:06. | |
Bennell has been imprisoned three times in total for child sex | :13:07. | :13:09. | |
offences, including one spell in an American jail. | :13:10. | :13:12. | |
Dario Gradi, who was Crewe Alexandra's manager for more | :13:13. | :13:14. | |
than 24 years between 1983 and 2007, and is now their director | :13:15. | :13:19. | |
of football and academy director, has offered "sympathy to the victims | :13:20. | :13:22. | |
He said he knew nothing about Bennell's abuse of young | :13:23. | :13:29. | |
footballers until his arrest in the US in 1994. | :13:30. | :13:34. | |
He was questioned about it in a documentary for Channel 4 | :13:35. | :13:38. | |
This is what he said when questioned by the reporter about children | :13:39. | :13:42. | |
Did you know some boys were staying virtually every weekend, every | :13:43. | :13:50. | |
school holiday, spending a huge amount of time at his house? Yes, | :13:51. | :13:56. | |
but they all seemed to be happy and quite contented kids. Did any of | :13:57. | :13:59. | |
them tell you they were sleeping in his bed? No. Not at all. Presumably | :14:00. | :14:06. | |
something the club would not approve of? Definitely not. Bearing in mind | :14:07. | :14:15. | |
there is testimony of him abusing before he was here, he has pleaded | :14:16. | :14:19. | |
guilty to abusing after he was her, do you believe it is possible he was | :14:20. | :14:23. | |
abusing the boys while he was at Crewe? Of course I think it's | :14:24. | :14:28. | |
possible, but I don't think at the time we had any cause for concern. | :14:29. | :14:31. | |
That was in 1996. Like hundreds of parents up and down | :14:32. | :14:34. | |
the country I spend quite a few Sunday mornings during the football | :14:35. | :14:37. | |
season watching my young boys play Yesterday I asked other mums | :14:38. | :14:40. | |
and dads supporting their children on the touchline, how they'd reacted | :14:41. | :14:43. | |
the revelations of the last week or so, and whether they think | :14:44. | :14:46. | |
it could happen now. I felt physically sick. I heard it | :14:47. | :14:57. | |
on the radio. I was sick. Why did you have such a visceral reaction? I | :14:58. | :15:04. | |
think because the abuse of authority, and that relationship, I | :15:05. | :15:09. | |
can't imagine anyone actually ever doing that. What can I say? Just | :15:10. | :15:16. | |
shocked. You have a young boy who plays football in a local team. Yes. | :15:17. | :15:23. | |
Did it make you think again about what he does every weekend, the | :15:24. | :15:27. | |
coaching and the training? Yes, I'm afraid it did. I don't think it's a | :15:28. | :15:33. | |
position to be alone with a coach for anything to happen... It did | :15:34. | :15:37. | |
make me think again, absolutely right. Just because you don't know, | :15:38. | :15:43. | |
that it's not happening, doesn't mean it isn't. Do you think it could | :15:44. | :15:50. | |
happen now? Yes. Really shocking, to be honest. Upsetting. I just feel | :15:51. | :15:55. | |
sorry for every victim that's been abused. Have you got your own | :15:56. | :16:00. | |
children who play football for a local club? No, I have a | :16:01. | :16:08. | |
three-year-old daughter. Gymnastics, things like that. So I haven't. But | :16:09. | :16:14. | |
it's an issue for any parent whose kids do any kind of sport, | :16:15. | :16:18. | |
safeguarding their future? It's massive. I don't even know... You | :16:19. | :16:24. | |
would like to think that doesn't go on any more. I've heard a few | :16:25. | :16:33. | |
people's views. One of them said that's what he felt he had to do to | :16:34. | :16:37. | |
get in the starting line-up, everything like that. Yeah, I hope | :16:38. | :16:44. | |
it doesn't go on. I initially thought the guy who came out was | :16:45. | :16:49. | |
really brave. It was fantastic, asking, because what he's done can't | :16:50. | :16:57. | |
change the past, but what's happening now... It will be | :16:58. | :17:02. | |
scrutinised. And hopefully the kids and everyone involved will be a lot | :17:03. | :17:06. | |
safer. Hopefully the people who are doing the coaching in football are | :17:07. | :17:10. | |
not going to be looked on in the wrong way. But hopefully... The kids | :17:11. | :17:19. | |
will be safer. What was your initial reaction? Obviously you feel sorry | :17:20. | :17:28. | |
for the guy, but it's a good thing that everyone's been made aware of | :17:29. | :17:34. | |
the situation. As John says, hopefully it makes our kids a lot | :17:35. | :17:38. | |
safer. Very sad to think that you leave your children with someone you | :17:39. | :17:44. | |
trust, and they are taken advantage of. It's just a dreadful, absolutely | :17:45. | :17:48. | |
dreadful. Their childhood has been taken away. And also it makes you | :17:49. | :17:55. | |
feel really mistrustful of men who work with children, which is such a | :17:56. | :18:01. | |
shame. The vast majority of intentions will be good, but it | :18:02. | :18:05. | |
makes you not want to leave your children with anyone. That's really | :18:06. | :18:10. | |
sad, actually. A sad indictment. You are supporting your boys, they play | :18:11. | :18:14. | |
every Sunday morning with loads of other boys. Up and down the country | :18:15. | :18:18. | |
this goes on. Do you think it could happen now? I think parents are a | :18:19. | :18:24. | |
lot more aware of making their children aware of what is right and | :18:25. | :18:29. | |
wrong. Making sure that if anything like that happens, that they would | :18:30. | :18:33. | |
never ever get into trouble, they would say straightaway, no one has | :18:34. | :18:36. | |
the right to touch them if they don't want to be touched. Just | :18:37. | :18:40. | |
protect them. You have to be open and honest with them and encourage | :18:41. | :18:45. | |
them to talk, if they feel like anything untoward is going on. They | :18:46. | :18:49. | |
have to be able to open up and talk about it. | :18:50. | :18:53. | |
And if you want to contact the dedicated NSPCC helpline | :18:54. | :18:55. | |
to report abuse, you can call it 24 hours a day on: 0800 023 2642. | :18:56. | :19:08. | |
The UK's leading charity for people with facial disfigurements has told | :19:09. | :19:10. | |
this programme "face bullying" in schools could be a bigger problem | :19:11. | :19:13. | |
than racism or homophobia because it's not as recognised. | :19:14. | :19:16. | |
The facial disfigurement charity Changing Faces has introduced lesson | :19:17. | :19:18. | |
plans in a small number of schools, to challenge perceptions that people | :19:19. | :19:22. | |
who don't look like most other people are unsuccessful, | :19:23. | :19:24. | |
They now want to roll out their education programme, | :19:25. | :19:30. | |
to tackle what is feels is a hidden problem, | :19:31. | :19:36. | |
which leads to misery and even mental illness for some children | :19:37. | :19:39. | |
Our reporter Ashley John Baptiste has been to meet three | :19:40. | :19:45. | |
children who've suffered prejudice and bullying | :19:46. | :19:46. | |
We played you his full film earlier in the programme. | :19:47. | :19:50. | |
Every face tells a story. The twin who doesn't look like the other. | :19:51. | :20:05. | |
The boy scarred from birth. The girl who can't smile. | :20:06. | :20:12. | |
Different stories, but similar experiences. Billy's family have | :20:13. | :20:17. | |
struggled to even take him out in public. At time it can be soul | :20:18. | :20:23. | |
detroug it really can. Because as a parent you just want to protect your | :20:24. | :20:28. | |
child. How do you feel about that? Annoyed. He gets annoyed. Do you | :20:29. | :20:35. | |
feel annoyed? Billy is nine. He is a twivenlt he was born with Apert's | :20:36. | :20:39. | |
syndrome. It is a cranial facial condition. The paediatric registrar | :20:40. | :20:45. | |
didn't even refer to Billy as a baby. He just said, "I have never | :20:46. | :20:52. | |
seen anything like it before." Marcus is 12 and a talented | :20:53. | :20:57. | |
trampolinist, but he was born with a cleft, a gap in his face. Some | :20:58. | :21:03. | |
people called me Far Face and one times I was like ten and someone | :21:04. | :21:07. | |
came up to me and said, "If they looked like me, they would kill | :21:08. | :21:12. | |
themselves." Looking different is tough for any | :21:13. | :21:16. | |
kid, but especially when you are a teenage girl and image is | :21:17. | :21:19. | |
everything. I've come to Somerset to meet a young girl who has a facial | :21:20. | :21:23. | |
condition that means she can't smile. Caitlin was only a baby when | :21:24. | :21:29. | |
she developed a large benign tumour on the side of her face. They took | :21:30. | :21:34. | |
the whole tumour out and while doing that, they caught the smiling nerve | :21:35. | :21:39. | |
and as a result of that, she came round with facial palsy. When did | :21:40. | :21:43. | |
people start to bully you? When I was seven, I think, that's when it | :21:44. | :21:47. | |
all started. What sort of things did people say? Mainly that I wasn't | :21:48. | :21:51. | |
receipty enough to be in their group and they didn't want to be friends | :21:52. | :21:55. | |
with me because I was weird or I looked different. What did the | :21:56. | :21:58. | |
school do to support you? Nothing. Literally nothing. This school in | :21:59. | :22:03. | |
London is pretty rare. It is one of the few in the country teaching face | :22:04. | :22:09. | |
equality. Why do you think so many schools are behind the trend when it | :22:10. | :22:13. | |
comes to supporting kids with facial disfigurement? Think it is the | :22:14. | :22:20. | |
pressures they have got to get the academic results up. That's the | :22:21. | :22:23. | |
biggest priority for most of the schools. The schoolchildren are | :22:24. | :22:28. | |
meeting Marcus and Caitlin? Was it more hard to make friends at school? | :22:29. | :22:34. | |
It wasn't hard when I first started school, but as I grew up and people | :22:35. | :22:38. | |
grow up and we started to realise I was a bit different so I think, | :22:39. | :22:44. | |
yeah. You shouldn't really care. Just, it is not you with the | :22:45. | :22:48. | |
problem, it's the people that bully you. Let's talk to Billy Mitchell | :22:49. | :23:06. | |
who has Apert's syndrome. And his twin sister, Lois. | :23:07. | :23:08. | |
Let's talk now to James Partridge the founder of Changing Faces. | :23:09. | :23:12. | |
Joan Norris who opposes distinct curriculum for targeting | :23:13. | :23:14. | |
Chelsea Burger who has had facial palsy since birth. | :23:15. | :23:25. | |
Tell us what Billy's school has done to tackle bullying and prejudice | :23:26. | :23:32. | |
because of the way Billy looks? We were quite proactive as parents with | :23:33. | :23:36. | |
Billy and we wanted from the outset's Billy's school life to be | :23:37. | :23:40. | |
really just the same as Lois' was going to be. So we asked Changing | :23:41. | :23:47. | |
Faces to come and do a whole class assembly, a whole school assembly | :23:48. | :23:51. | |
more about facial disfigurement which they came in and did. And they | :23:52. | :23:56. | |
also took some time out to talk to the teachers in the school about how | :23:57. | :24:02. | |
to deal with bullying and unwanted attention, you know, that Billy was | :24:03. | :24:06. | |
to get say they were out on a school trip or something like that. And how | :24:07. | :24:09. | |
much difference has that made to Billy's quality of life at school? | :24:10. | :24:15. | |
Massively actually. His peers, they just see Billy as Billy. They look | :24:16. | :24:20. | |
beyond the face and see, you know, Billy for the child who he is. His | :24:21. | :24:26. | |
face doesn't define Billy at all. And he is treated very well. His | :24:27. | :24:31. | |
school is very inclusive and you know the leadership team have been | :24:32. | :24:35. | |
fantastic. Billy, how much do you enjoy school? Very much. Do you? | :24:36. | :24:39. | |
Yeah. What's your favourite subject? Maths. Is it? Clever little boy. | :24:40. | :24:44. | |
Lois, what have you done in the past when people have been mean to your | :24:45. | :24:50. | |
brother? When they make fun of him, I stand in front of him so I can | :24:51. | :24:55. | |
block their view. Do you? Yeah. What do you think about that, Billy? | :24:56. | :25:02. | |
Good. Well done you Lois. Really well done. Chelsea, tell us what | :25:03. | :25:08. | |
facial palsy is. Basically, facial palsy is a weakness on one of the | :25:09. | :25:12. | |
sides of your face. It is just nerves aren't quite strong enough. | :25:13. | :25:18. | |
And it can affect you by closing your eyes, watery eyes and even | :25:19. | :25:21. | |
eating sometimes. Sometimes speaking as well. When you're tired it does | :25:22. | :25:28. | |
get worse as it goes on. What sort of bullying have you experienced? | :25:29. | :25:32. | |
Name calling. People pinching my things. Is this just at school or as | :25:33. | :25:38. | |
an adult? Well, it was worse when I was at school even physical | :25:39. | :25:41. | |
sometimes, but as I got older I thought it is going to stop. It is | :25:42. | :25:45. | |
going to stop. I did my dream job and it didn't. A lady started | :25:46. | :25:50. | |
bullying me again and inn my dream job and I thought when am I going to | :25:51. | :25:54. | |
get out of it? I moved away from that job and now I don't get any | :25:55. | :25:59. | |
bother anymore. I found Facial Policy UK website where there is a | :26:00. | :26:04. | |
lady called Karen and she talks to you 24 hours a day. If you're | :26:05. | :26:07. | |
feeling down, she talks to you and that helps a lot, but there is a | :26:08. | :26:14. | |
reminder on Snapchat. There is a filter that makes your face go side | :26:15. | :26:19. | |
ways. It is horrible. It needs to be stopped. Why? It just, I think, it | :26:20. | :26:26. | |
is like yes, we have facial palsy, a few of the girls have been getting | :26:27. | :26:32. | |
Snapchats of lads taking the mick saying, "This is what you look like. | :26:33. | :26:38. | |
" What kind of comments have people made to you about your face? | :26:39. | :26:47. | |
Monster. You shouldn't be alive. It is not nice. Not nice at all. That's | :26:48. | :26:52. | |
unbelievable. It is just vile. It is. It is. James, tell us why you | :26:53. | :26:59. | |
think specific education about facial disfigurement in classrooms | :27:00. | :27:02. | |
would be really useful? Well, clearly, we have to support and | :27:03. | :27:06. | |
empower kids and young people themselves to deal with this stuff | :27:07. | :27:12. | |
when it happens. But our view is that actually, this subject has been | :27:13. | :27:19. | |
so pushed away and neglected in the ethos setting of the school that we | :27:20. | :27:23. | |
need to bring it up. Hopefully over a five year period perhaps. It will | :27:24. | :27:30. | |
become normal or obvious, but I think at this stage, we think we | :27:31. | :27:37. | |
need to push face equality up into being not just sort of oh, | :27:38. | :27:44. | |
Euro-sceptics it is a nice add-on, but integral in the Respect Agenda | :27:45. | :27:49. | |
that all schools should have, but also teaching kids that you can | :27:50. | :27:56. | |
interact normally and positively and inclusively with all kids, you | :27:57. | :28:01. | |
notion unusual appearance or not. I think that's, that needs to be done | :28:02. | :28:06. | |
as a measure for at least five years because what we're hearing is this | :28:07. | :28:09. | |
is too common. This shouldn't be happening. There is a rudeness | :28:10. | :28:14. | |
culture which we need to attack. Does it not come under the general | :28:15. | :28:19. | |
umbrella of bullying though which is what you feel Joan? My feelings are | :28:20. | :28:24. | |
it should be part of the general ethos of the school. So it is about | :28:25. | :28:30. | |
feeling that, you have a bullying policy, but you have to think every | :28:31. | :28:34. | |
single day what does that mean within your school and that's within | :28:35. | :28:38. | |
the whole school community? Children will come into the classroom with | :28:39. | :28:43. | |
all sorts of issues, whatever that might be, and teachers need to be | :28:44. | :28:48. | |
skilful at spotting all of that and certainly if they feel that there is | :28:49. | :28:51. | |
bullying going on or name calling or whatever, they need to have the | :28:52. | :28:56. | |
equipment to deal with that instantly. You want something more | :28:57. | :29:00. | |
specific, James, don't you? You see our view is disfigurement has been | :29:01. | :29:05. | |
covered as a protected character Starc in the Equality Act, but it | :29:06. | :29:11. | |
hasn't been given the same attention that racism and sexism and so on has | :29:12. | :29:16. | |
been and so what we're seeking is to raise this and make sure that | :29:17. | :29:22. | |
schools, under their public sector duty, their equality duty, actually | :29:23. | :29:25. | |
have to show that they are taking this seriously. That face equality | :29:26. | :29:30. | |
is embedded and you're right, we must make sure that the policing of | :29:31. | :29:35. | |
it, the policies and the practise to stamp it out are there too. So | :29:36. | :29:40. | |
parents actually have the sort of assurance that they need that their | :29:41. | :29:44. | |
children are safe and this is a safety issue, as much as anything. | :29:45. | :29:48. | |
What do you think, Denise? I totally agree. Education is really, really | :29:49. | :29:53. | |
the most important thing to promote face equality. I think if we hadn't | :29:54. | :29:59. | |
had Changing Faces go into the school, the cranial facial nurse | :30:00. | :30:04. | |
from great or Monday street, Billy's life might have been a lot | :30:05. | :30:08. | |
different. I really fear for his secondary school in particular. Do | :30:09. | :30:11. | |
you? Yeah, I do, much more so. I think you really need to get | :30:12. | :30:17. | |
children in their formative years, not just once, keep on and on, | :30:18. | :30:21. | |
educating them and bringing it to the fore front and for schools to be | :30:22. | :30:25. | |
inclusive as well. What difference would this have made to you at | :30:26. | :30:28. | |
primary school, Chelsea? A hell of a difference. It wasn't just kids in | :30:29. | :30:32. | |
school. I think if the parents told them it wasn't right, if they were | :30:33. | :30:38. | |
guided how to approach us, we are normal people. We shouldn't be | :30:39. | :30:42. | |
treated any different. I do think it would have made a hell of a | :30:43. | :30:48. | |
difference. Some comments from people watching around the country. | :30:49. | :30:52. | |
"Christian on Facebook. I love these kids. Talking about you, Billy. And | :30:53. | :31:01. | |
Lois. Concern, "As the mother of a child who suffered facial palsy, I | :31:02. | :31:07. | |
support programmes like this. In schools, in social clubs, I'm not | :31:08. | :31:11. | |
bothered where, but as adults we are responsible for making sure every | :31:12. | :31:16. | |
child feels special. Those two children, Billy and Lois, are brave | :31:17. | :31:23. | |
and mature and beyond their years and a huge high five to them for | :31:24. | :31:28. | |
standing up for every child who has suffered like them and my daughter. | :31:29. | :31:32. | |
Something like facial palsy is frightening enough for the child to | :31:33. | :31:35. | |
come to terms with without there being a bullying problem to cope | :31:36. | :31:39. | |
with. My daughter has been lucky. Despite being only eight, her | :31:40. | :31:42. | |
friends have been amazing and helped her cope. Children who say mean | :31:43. | :31:50. | |
things and stare are afraid. Keep up the good work those who are involved | :31:51. | :31:54. | |
in this project." The website is really good and there | :31:55. | :31:58. | |
is support for teachers there. So teachers need to be able to have | :31:59. | :32:03. | |
resources and access to places where they can get more information and | :32:04. | :32:05. | |
know how to deal with things. I hope that by creating a face | :32:06. | :32:16. | |
equality Day, as we will next year, we will make sure this is raised on | :32:17. | :32:19. | |
to the agenda of teachers in schools. And also start to reassure | :32:20. | :32:27. | |
parents. Social goodness is at the root of an awful lot of this, and we | :32:28. | :32:34. | |
need to give skills to all kids and teachers to deal with unusual | :32:35. | :32:40. | |
appearance, and parents, in a very civilised way. Thank you for coming | :32:41. | :32:47. | |
on. Chelsea, Billy, well done. Love you! Inset day today? They love it, | :32:48. | :32:55. | |
we can't be doing with them! Thank you. | :32:56. | :32:57. | |
Costly add-on treatments offered by UK fertility | :32:58. | :33:01. | |
clinics to increase the chance of a birth are not backed by good | :33:02. | :33:05. | |
scientific evidence they work, according to research. | :33:06. | :33:09. | |
And we look ahead to the French presidential election and ask what | :33:10. | :33:18. | |
it could mean for us in the UK. Almost none of the so-called "add | :33:19. | :33:21. | |
on" treatments offered by fertility clinics to boost IVF success rates | :33:22. | :33:27. | |
are backed up by scientific The study was commissioned | :33:28. | :33:29. | |
by the BBC's Panorama programme, and is also published | :33:30. | :33:33. | |
in the British Medical Journal. It found that only one of 27 | :33:34. | :33:36. | |
different treatments was supported by only moderate evidence that it | :33:37. | :33:41. | |
could increase the chances The fertility regulator says it has | :33:42. | :33:44. | |
limited powers to stop Football's world governing body FIFA | :33:45. | :33:48. | |
says it is monitoring allegations of child sexual abuse | :33:49. | :33:53. | |
within English football closely. It comes after more than 20 | :33:54. | :33:59. | |
ex-football players alleged they were victims of | :34:00. | :34:01. | |
abuse as youngsters. The Professional Footballers' | :34:02. | :34:03. | |
Association says the claims relate Meanwhile, the FA has | :34:04. | :34:05. | |
launched its own investigation into the allegations which is being | :34:06. | :34:10. | |
led by an independent barrister. The Government is facing more legal | :34:11. | :34:14. | |
challenges related to Brexit, this time about whether the UK stays | :34:15. | :34:17. | |
in the single market Lawyers will argue that the UK does | :34:18. | :34:19. | |
not automatically leave the European Economic Area | :34:20. | :34:24. | |
when it leaves the EU. Countries who are in the EEA get | :34:25. | :34:28. | |
access to barrier free trade, in return for paying into some EU | :34:29. | :34:31. | |
budgets and accepting the free The UK Independence Party | :34:32. | :34:34. | |
will announce its new leader in just Nigel Farage has been holding | :34:35. | :34:40. | |
the reins as interim leader since his successor, | :34:41. | :34:45. | |
Diane James, stepped down after less The three candidates are the former | :34:46. | :34:47. | |
deputy leader Paul Nuttall, former deputy chairman Suzanne Evans | :34:48. | :34:52. | |
and party activist John Rees-Evans. The announcement will be live | :34:53. | :34:59. | |
on the BBC News channel at 11.45am. For some, it's taken the fun out | :35:00. | :35:02. | |
of their Saturday nights, for others, it should | :35:03. | :35:05. | |
have come sooner. Ed Balls has left | :35:06. | :35:07. | |
Strictly Come Dancing. The former Labour shadow chancellor | :35:08. | :35:09. | |
was the surprise star of this series, entertaining fans | :35:10. | :35:12. | |
with his memorable moves despite often being at | :35:13. | :35:14. | |
the bottom of the scoreboard. But this week the public vote failed | :35:15. | :35:17. | |
to save him and his That's a summary of the latest news, | :35:18. | :35:20. | |
join me for BBC Newsroom There is a new Formula 1 world | :35:21. | :35:37. | |
champion and it is Nico Rosberg. He finished second in the Abu Dhabi | :35:38. | :35:41. | |
Grand Prix, the final race of the season, behind Lewis Hamilton, but | :35:42. | :35:44. | |
that gave him enough points to win the world title for the first time. | :35:45. | :35:49. | |
England are struggling in the third Test match against India. India | :35:50. | :35:54. | |
built a first innings lead of 134, England have lost three wickets in | :35:55. | :35:57. | |
their second innings, including Moeen Ali for just five, they are | :35:58. | :36:03. | |
70-3. Jose Mourinho was sent to the stands for kicking a water bottle in | :36:04. | :36:06. | |
Manchester United's draw at home to West Ham after Paul Pogba was booked | :36:07. | :36:11. | |
for diving. He will miss their next game. Celtic have won their 100th | :36:12. | :36:16. | |
major title, beating Aberdeen 3-0 in the Scottish League Cup final, their | :36:17. | :36:23. | |
first trophy under Brendan Rodgers. More | :36:24. | :36:25. | |
a message from a lady on Facebook, she has had IVF... I have been | :36:26. | :36:32. | |
through IVF twice, I try to get pregnant after I got married at 25, | :36:33. | :36:37. | |
twice it didn't work, a miscarriage the first time in the second time I | :36:38. | :36:41. | |
didn't get pregnant at all. I was told by my consultant I couldn't get | :36:42. | :36:45. | |
pregnant without treatment. In two weeks at the end of June, I went on | :36:46. | :36:49. | |
holiday and came back to find I was pregnant without IVF, I think | :36:50. | :36:53. | |
because I wasn't thinking about it, I changed my diet, I wasn't | :36:54. | :36:57. | |
stressed, we were enjoying each other's company. Before that, I was | :36:58. | :37:02. | |
trying herbal and natural stuff. Now I have my new arrival coming soon, I | :37:03. | :37:07. | |
would never recommend IBS unless you have tried everything else. It takes | :37:08. | :37:13. | |
a toll on you, the pain. -- IVF. You can end up causing problems in your | :37:14. | :37:18. | |
marriage. We are going to talk about it more in ten minutes, particularly | :37:19. | :37:21. | |
about the add-ons that certain clinics will offer and say will help | :37:22. | :37:27. | |
you get pregnant. Scientific research suggests that's not | :37:28. | :37:28. | |
necessarily the case. We now know who two | :37:29. | :37:31. | |
of the three main candidates for the French presidential | :37:32. | :37:33. | |
elections in April will be. Francois Fillon was last night | :37:34. | :37:35. | |
overwhelmingly chosen to represent the main centre-right Republican | :37:36. | :37:39. | |
party in the forthcoming election. He will stand against Marine Le Pen, | :37:40. | :37:41. | |
of the far-right National Front, and a Socialist candidate that | :37:42. | :37:44. | |
hasn't yet been selected, but could be Francois Hollande, | :37:45. | :37:47. | |
the current President who's fairly So who are the contenders? | :37:48. | :37:51. | |
What do they stand for? And what will a victory for any | :37:52. | :37:58. | |
of the candidates mean for the UK? We can speak to Jacques Myard, | :37:59. | :38:08. | |
a member of the Republicans Party. And Agnes Poirier, | :38:09. | :38:11. | |
a political commentator. Tell the British audience what | :38:12. | :38:17. | |
people in France were voting for yesterday. First of all, it was the | :38:18. | :38:23. | |
first time the French right were holding primaries. Secondly, it was | :38:24. | :38:29. | |
not just for the people on the right... In a way it's very exciting | :38:30. | :38:37. | |
as a democratic exercise. There were two rounds. The people who voted, a | :38:38. | :38:45. | |
lot of people, want to... INAUDIBLE. | :38:46. | :38:52. | |
I'm so sorry to interrupt. It is a really bad line, I'm so sorry. While | :38:53. | :38:58. | |
we sort that out, I'm going to bring in Jack. Tell us about Francois | :38:59. | :39:04. | |
Fillon. What is he promising? First of all, I would say that this | :39:05. | :39:11. | |
exercise was a big success. It is true that many French rotas came and | :39:12. | :39:17. | |
voted. Not only on the right-hand side of the political scene. -- | :39:18. | :39:22. | |
French voters. They wanted Alain Juppe instead of Francois Fillon. | :39:23. | :39:27. | |
Francois Fillon is a man of experience, but he has something | :39:28. | :39:32. | |
more. Of course he has a project in terms of cutting expenses, cutting | :39:33. | :39:39. | |
the Secret Service... You know, he wants to get rid of 500,000 civil | :39:40. | :39:44. | |
servants. He will go step-by-step and it will not be a shock, you | :39:45. | :39:51. | |
know, in one shot. But it has something more. I think he has been | :39:52. | :39:57. | |
succeeding because he is of a quiet strength, he appears as a man of | :39:58. | :40:01. | |
calm and serenity. When Juppe was very excited... This is what I | :40:02. | :40:10. | |
think, he forces confidence. I think this is one of his main, you know, | :40:11. | :40:15. | |
strengths, main argument to win. But of course it is not yet finished. | :40:16. | :40:22. | |
How will Mr Fillon go about trying to beat Marine Le Pen from the | :40:23. | :40:27. | |
National Front, and whoever the Socialist candidate will be? Yes, | :40:28. | :40:33. | |
well, I think he has a good chance. I think Le Pen, of course she now | :40:34. | :40:41. | |
has a challenger. She will very likely be in the second round of the | :40:42. | :40:45. | |
presidential election. But I don't think that she has a good chance to | :40:46. | :40:50. | |
win, because there are many, many, let's say a huge majority of the | :40:51. | :40:55. | |
French who would like to have her as a president. But she will be in the | :40:56. | :40:59. | |
second round, it's likely. The strength of Fillon, he also attracts | :41:00. | :41:09. | |
people who have voted for Le Pen in the past election. Because, you | :41:10. | :41:12. | |
know, he has the support of a great part of the conservative Catholics, | :41:13. | :41:17. | |
for instance, who sometimes have been voting for the extreme right. I | :41:18. | :41:21. | |
believe they will come back to Fillon. Agnes, what is Marine Le Pen | :41:22. | :41:32. | |
promising voters should she win? INAUDIBLE. | :41:33. | :41:37. | |
She will go through to the second round, it is almost a mathematical | :41:38. | :41:41. | |
fact, because the left is so fragmented. Francois Hollande and | :41:42. | :41:49. | |
his Prime Minister, to be chosen at the next primaries... | :41:50. | :41:57. | |
INAUDIBLE. The most likely to win against | :41:58. | :42:01. | |
Marine Le Pen in the second round, that is the question. Francois | :42:02. | :42:08. | |
Fillon, perhaps. A lot of people on the left think that Fillon... | :42:09. | :42:13. | |
I'm so sorry, it is just a horrible line, really sorry about that. We | :42:14. | :42:20. | |
persist, because we don't like to give up, but I am afraid on that we | :42:21. | :42:24. | |
are just giving up, I am really sorry. | :42:25. | :42:27. | |
When you make the decision to try IVF to have a baby | :42:28. | :42:34. | |
you are vulnerable, both emotionally, financially, with each | :42:35. | :42:36. | |
round of treatment for those not eligible for NHS funding costing | :42:37. | :42:39. | |
Many UK fertility clinics also offer "add-on" fertility | :42:40. | :42:46. | |
treatments which can cost anything up to ?3,500 on top of | :42:47. | :42:48. | |
But this evening's Panorama suggests that | :42:49. | :42:55. | |
almost none of these "add-on" treatments are backed up by high | :42:56. | :42:58. | |
Of the 27 different treatments available, the study found only one | :42:59. | :43:02. | |
was supported by even moderate evidence that it could help women | :43:03. | :43:05. | |
We can talk to Professor Carl Heneghan from Oxford University's | :43:06. | :43:12. | |
Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine, who conducted the research | :43:13. | :43:14. | |
Juliet Tizzard is from the Human Fertilisation | :43:15. | :43:19. | |
and Embryology Authority, which regulates IVF. | :43:20. | :43:24. | |
And parents Frankie and Tom Wheeler, who paid approximately ?6,000 | :43:25. | :43:28. | |
for a number of "add-on" fertility treatments, on top of | :43:29. | :43:30. | |
And joining us from Nottingham is Dr Simon Fishel, founder | :43:31. | :43:35. | |
And we haven't introduced this delightful little baby here. | :43:36. | :43:49. | |
Bridget. She is seven months. Congratulations. Welcome to the | :43:50. | :43:54. | |
programme. Professor, when we say add-on treatments, what are we | :43:55. | :44:00. | |
talking about? A cycle of IVF includes using the embryo and | :44:01. | :44:03. | |
implanting it, plus some drugs, but beyond that there are add-on | :44:04. | :44:08. | |
treatments you can be offered at the clinic. We have found there is | :44:09. | :44:12. | |
considerable variation across the UK in who offers what. No consistency. | :44:13. | :44:17. | |
That shows a problem immediately, because if it is an evidence-based | :44:18. | :44:21. | |
approach and it is shown to make a difference, you will offer the | :44:22. | :44:24. | |
treatment to everyone. That is the standard way we work in clinical | :44:25. | :44:29. | |
practice. If you are not quite sure, you may offer it in some way, some | :44:30. | :44:33. | |
clinics are using this to say, we are better than another clinic, we | :44:34. | :44:37. | |
have an advantage because of this, trying to do their own little | :44:38. | :44:40. | |
studies based on their own data, and then say, well, in the last ten | :44:41. | :44:44. | |
babies we have delivered, they had this treatment. And then you said at | :44:45. | :44:49. | |
the beginning, you get the situation where the motive... It is very | :44:50. | :44:54. | |
difficult to get a balanced decision based on the evidence. One of the | :44:55. | :44:59. | |
treatments you looked at, PGS involves screening the embryo for | :45:00. | :45:06. | |
abnormalities. That is the really interesting one. The first version | :45:07. | :45:10. | |
of it was shown to reduce your chance of having a baby. For every | :45:11. | :45:15. | |
thousand women who had this treatment, there was 147 less babies | :45:16. | :45:21. | |
born. It took ten years to do the trials. Until we discovered that. | :45:22. | :45:28. | |
And then in about 2008, everyone said, OK, this is not a good thing | :45:29. | :45:33. | |
to do, let's stop doing it. The problem is, we now have PGS version | :45:34. | :45:40. | |
two, with newer tests. They are doing them in the light of poor | :45:41. | :45:44. | |
quality evidence. Offering them to couples at high costs. Hello, | :45:45. | :45:51. | |
Doctor, you have found Care fertility clinics. You offer PGS at | :45:52. | :45:58. | |
your clinics. How much does it cost? About ?2500, added onto the IVF | :45:59. | :46:04. | |
procedure. Poor quality evidence for offering it, according to the | :46:05. | :46:08. | |
Professor? Of course, unfortunately, the professor is talking about a | :46:09. | :46:12. | |
study that was done ten years ago. The study itself was widely | :46:13. | :46:17. | |
criticised as being flawed. There is indeed some very difficult problems | :46:18. | :46:22. | |
about getting the evidence. So the European Society of human | :46:23. | :46:25. | |
reproduction decided it needed to conduct a trial. It has been | :46:26. | :46:29. | |
undertaking that trial for six years. It hasn't been able to | :46:30. | :46:34. | |
recruit. It will probably not ever published the trial. So why are you | :46:35. | :46:37. | |
offering this until we have the evidence? Let me tell you, when it | :46:38. | :46:43. | |
does publish this trial, it is two generations of technology out of | :46:44. | :46:46. | |
date. We are now in a situation where we have moved on in the field | :46:47. | :46:51. | |
and we have technology to overcome a real clinical problem. 70% of | :46:52. | :46:55. | |
embryos do not make babies. One of the biggest causes of the problem is | :46:56. | :47:00. | |
chromosomal errors that arise in those embryos. And we now have the | :47:01. | :47:05. | |
technology, and we know from the US recently, none of this is covered or | :47:06. | :47:08. | |
considered in the Oxford academic paper. 140,000 embryos were tracked | :47:09. | :47:19. | |
last year in America. Those which used PGS, they had 12% higher live | :47:20. | :47:27. | |
birth rate. It is an extra 16,000 babies because PGS was used. What do | :47:28. | :47:33. | |
we say to a 35-year-old woman, a couple who want a baby? They have | :47:34. | :47:38. | |
had a miscarriage, they may have tried IVF and it doesn't work. 35, | :47:39. | :47:45. | |
36, 37 years old. Do we say we have this technology at the moment, this | :47:46. | :47:48. | |
is the limited evidence we have available... Do you accept that, | :47:49. | :47:54. | |
Professor? You are giving couples a choice? I accept completely that you | :47:55. | :47:59. | |
give couples a choice, but you give them a choice based on the best | :48:00. | :48:03. | |
available evidence. You tell them the benefits and the harm in effect. | :48:04. | :48:08. | |
You want to know that and then you should take the information away and | :48:09. | :48:11. | |
discuss it and come to a balanced decision. At the moment there is an | :48:12. | :48:16. | |
overrepresentation of the benefits, many of the studies don't report the | :48:17. | :48:22. | |
harm. PGS, if it did give you that benefit, we would want to know that | :48:23. | :48:25. | |
because we would want to make that available to everyone because it | :48:26. | :48:27. | |
would reduce the number of cycles. It is difficult to get an insight | :48:28. | :48:36. | |
into how challenging it can be. You were doing this for seven years. | :48:37. | :48:40. | |
Give us a flavour of what that time was like. Challenging is the right | :48:41. | :48:46. | |
word. Life changing. Your whole life gets put on hold whilst you're going | :48:47. | :48:54. | |
through it because you just, all you're after is a baby. Your life | :48:55. | :48:58. | |
becomes about babies and putting your life on hold until you get a | :48:59. | :49:02. | |
baby. We're very, very fortunate that we were lucky enough to have | :49:03. | :49:07. | |
Brigitte. You enter this point of desperation and despair and you | :49:08. | :49:12. | |
become open to anybody stacking an extra 1% or 2% in your favour. We | :49:13. | :49:18. | |
were given advice and we had to make calls on things which were unproven | :49:19. | :49:21. | |
and untested and fortunately, we did seem to get it right. How much did | :49:22. | :49:28. | |
you spend on add-ones? The last cycle, when we won, we did an extra | :49:29. | :49:31. | |
five or six I would think at least. Add-ones? Yes. Costing in total? | :49:32. | :49:40. | |
?5,000 or ?6,000. But it was including the pregenetic screening. | :49:41. | :49:45. | |
That was our last resort. We wanted to test our embryos. We went to our | :49:46. | :49:49. | |
clinic and said this is what we want to do. Of course, you would say | :49:50. | :49:54. | |
every penny was worth it? You can't put a price on it. It is a fairly | :49:55. | :49:59. | |
unbiassed opinion. Did you ever feel without naming names or referring to | :50:00. | :50:03. | |
clinics, did you ever feel exploited? Not with our clinic at | :50:04. | :50:07. | |
all. Previous advice, we had spoken to a lot of clinics and we can tell | :50:08. | :50:12. | |
there is an element of being exploited, I think, but we were | :50:13. | :50:15. | |
fortunate with our clinic. Firstly, we were under informed of informed | :50:16. | :50:21. | |
it was very difficult to find the information ourselves. It is such a | :50:22. | :50:26. | |
small niche market. Simon, do you ever exploit couples who come to | :50:27. | :50:30. | |
you? Well, I would certainly hope not. It is very important that we | :50:31. | :50:34. | |
professionally give patients written information and we do that and I | :50:35. | :50:38. | |
agree entirely with the professor, the information that patients are | :50:39. | :50:41. | |
given, it is extremely important. What they didn't do in their study | :50:42. | :50:45. | |
unfortunately was to seek the information directly from clinics, | :50:46. | :50:48. | |
not their websites, on what written information is given to patients to | :50:49. | :50:53. | |
allow them to make an informed consent. We give as much information | :50:54. | :51:01. | |
as is available to the medical specialist as to the patients. It is | :51:02. | :51:07. | |
extremely important. They have hard choices, but they are trying very | :51:08. | :51:10. | |
hard to sift through this information. Juliette, what do you | :51:11. | :51:16. | |
think? Well, I'm not surprised by this, but I'm dismayed by what I | :51:17. | :51:20. | |
have heard about the study. What can you do? Well, the approach that | :51:21. | :51:26. | |
we're take as the regulator of IVF, but not unfortunately a number of | :51:27. | :51:29. | |
these add-ones is to speak to patients like Frankie and Tom and to | :51:30. | :51:34. | |
give them the information... What bit do you regulate and you can't | :51:35. | :51:39. | |
regulate the add-on bit? It depends on the add-on. We have some | :51:40. | :51:44. | |
regulated control over PGS and we expect clinics to give certain | :51:45. | :51:48. | |
information. Why can't you regulate the lot? Because we don't regulate | :51:49. | :51:53. | |
drugs and surgical procedures and we could try to acquire those powers, | :51:54. | :51:58. | |
but I think for us the important thing is to help patients who feel | :51:59. | :52:02. | |
really at sea in all of this and really confused by the conflicting | :52:03. | :52:04. | |
information. There is often, they are not sure who to trust, they | :52:05. | :52:08. | |
phone us and say, "Is there anywhere we can get information that's | :52:09. | :52:14. | |
unbiassed. " The we are the only place you can get that. We're using | :52:15. | :52:18. | |
our scientific advice and we will be look ago the this study to give good | :52:19. | :52:22. | |
information to patients via our website and to appeal to clinics to | :52:23. | :52:27. | |
ability responsibly. Maybe if there is limited evidence you shouldn't be | :52:28. | :52:30. | |
charging for this, maybe it should be part of a trial. If there is good | :52:31. | :52:34. | |
he have, information is great. That's all patients want is good | :52:35. | :52:38. | |
information. There is more on Panorama tonight on | :52:39. | :52:40. | |
BBC One at 8.30pm. She's one of the biggest selling | :52:41. | :52:44. | |
artists of her generation. Alicia Keys has been talking | :52:45. | :52:47. | |
to Babita Sharma for Alicia Keys welcome to the 100 | :52:48. | :53:08. | |
Women. What happened with you with the decision to say, "I'm not going | :53:09. | :53:15. | |
to wear make-up anymore." I was becoming overly concerned with other | :53:16. | :53:18. | |
people's opinions of me. To the point where I would be freaked out | :53:19. | :53:21. | |
because I was leaving the house and I didn't have make-up on and I was | :53:22. | :53:25. | |
just realising there was so much that, so much that I had learned and | :53:26. | :53:30. | |
that I think we all learn as specially as women, you know, and | :53:31. | :53:34. | |
girls from the second they were born, from before we even come out, | :53:35. | :53:40. | |
you know, there is all of these images and these expectations and | :53:41. | :53:48. | |
all of these, you know, particular pressures that have made us to think | :53:49. | :53:54. | |
this is what beauty. This is what a successful woman is or this is what | :53:55. | :53:58. | |
a famous woman is. What do you think we as women can do to push against | :53:59. | :54:03. | |
that? What should we be telling our daughters? I'm one just for variety. | :54:04. | :54:09. | |
That's my thing, you know, I just want myself and my daughter, if I | :54:10. | :54:15. | |
had one and my sons, you know, to see a variety of what people look | :54:16. | :54:21. | |
like. Here is what people look like. You know what I mean? We look a vast | :54:22. | :54:28. | |
array of ways and it is really not about make-up or no make-up or | :54:29. | :54:32. | |
anything like that, it is about what makes you comfortable and it is also | :54:33. | :54:35. | |
about being able to explore different versions of what makes you | :54:36. | :54:38. | |
comfortable and seeing what happened. You should be able to | :54:39. | :54:42. | |
without your dad, your girlfriend, your boyfriend, your husband, | :54:43. | :54:49. | |
saying, "Stop. Quiet. Just just give me a second to have my whole | :54:50. | :54:53. | |
experience. It is all you, regardless and even for myself, when | :54:54. | :54:57. | |
I want to wear make-up, that's my choice. I can wear make-up and no | :54:58. | :55:01. | |
one should be able to say, "Didn't you say you were never going to. No, | :55:02. | :55:09. | |
that's not what I was saying. Congratulations on your new albumt. | :55:10. | :55:16. | |
Thank you. One track stood out for me, Girl Can't scab. Herself. -- | :55:17. | :55:34. | |
Girl Can't Be Herself. My favourite part says when a girl can't be | :55:35. | :55:40. | |
herself no more, I just want to dry. I just want to cry for the world. | :55:41. | :55:48. | |
When a girl can't be herself no more, I just want to cry. I just | :55:49. | :55:59. | |
want to cry for the world. It is so beautiful. It also is quite sad for | :56:00. | :56:06. | |
me. Sad that has to be out there. They message has to be given to | :56:07. | :56:11. | |
girls? Yeah, it is sad actually. It is sad that girls can't be | :56:12. | :56:17. | |
themselves. It's sad that, you know, sad that through this whole election | :56:18. | :56:23. | |
process in America that, you know, because Hillary was so strong and | :56:24. | :56:32. | |
clear and tough, you know, how much unnecessary things were said about | :56:33. | :56:36. | |
her being a woman, you know. It is like we as women, we can be any way. | :56:37. | :56:41. | |
We can be many ways and it is sad when you can't be yourself, you | :56:42. | :56:45. | |
know. Whoever that self is, whatever that is. And that's, you know, | :56:46. | :56:51. | |
that's a problem with girls all over the world, you know and there is so | :56:52. | :56:55. | |
much oppression for women and there is so much oppression for girls and | :56:56. | :56:59. | |
there is so many, you know, unequal opportunities for girls and for | :57:00. | :57:04. | |
women. And it is sad. We've gone through one of the most bitterly | :57:05. | :57:10. | |
fought elections in America's history. You've said in the past | :57:11. | :57:14. | |
about Donald Trump that you don't listen to anything that he says and | :57:15. | :57:17. | |
you said you don't care about what he thinks about women. He's going to | :57:18. | :57:23. | |
be your next president, 45th president of the United States of | :57:24. | :57:29. | |
America. How do you feel about that? I'm disappointed. I'm disappointed | :57:30. | :57:39. | |
that so much hateful rhetoric and sexism and bigotry and racial slurs | :57:40. | :57:49. | |
and intolerance would be rewarded with a presidency. | :57:50. | :57:54. | |
Alicia Keys, thank you for being part of our 100 Women Season on the | :57:55. | :57:59. | |
BBC. Thank you very much, it is my pleasure. | :58:00. | :58:03. | |
# When a girl can't be herself no more. | :58:04. | :58:06. | |
# I just want to cry. # I just want to cry for the world. | :58:07. | :58:14. | |
# When a girl... ... # More on the 100 Women season on the | :58:15. | :58:17. | |
BBC News website. This e-mail is from someone who | :58:18. | :58:27. | |
says, "For most days she would go home from school crying and had few | :58:28. | :58:31. | |
friends because of it. Thank you very much | :58:32. | :58:34. | |
He's a scientist. Brilliant, apparently. | :58:35. | :58:36. |