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I'm not a victim I'm a survivor - Michelle Thomson stood in the House | :00:18. | :00:20. | |
of Commons reducing colleagues to tears as she told how | :00:21. | :00:22. | |
as a 14 year she was raped as she walked home. | :00:23. | :00:25. | |
In her first tv interview the MP will tell us why she decided to talk | :00:26. | :00:29. | |
about it 37 years later, after years of silence. | :00:30. | :00:35. | |
I did not tell my mother, my father, my friends. I did not tell the | :00:36. | :00:42. | |
police. I bottled it all up inside me. | :00:43. | :00:44. | |
The first report claimed that Russia has a state sponsored drugs | :00:45. | :00:46. | |
programme in sport - the second report from | :00:47. | :00:48. | |
the World Anti-Doping Agency is released this morning. | :00:49. | :00:50. | |
Historical drug tests are being rechecked and more drugs | :00:51. | :00:52. | |
In a special film for this programme we will hear the story | :00:53. | :01:03. | |
of 14-year-old Connor Lynes who went from being a healthy teenager | :01:04. | :01:06. | |
to needing constant care after a stroke which | :01:07. | :01:08. | |
You can't tell him goodbye. You are sorry. I want to talk to him and say | :01:09. | :01:22. | |
I have had a nice life. Goodbye basically. | :01:23. | :01:34. | |
Welcome to the programme, we're live until 11 this morning. | :01:35. | :01:37. | |
Lots coming up on the show for you to talk about. | :01:38. | :01:40. | |
Post natal depression is something we associate with women | :01:41. | :01:42. | |
but its claimed that one in ten dads suffer with it too. | :01:43. | :01:45. | |
We are talking to a group of men who say their lives were really | :01:46. | :01:48. | |
affected after the birth of their children. | :01:49. | :01:50. | |
We are also tell you about the lastest bombshell from Taylor Swift | :01:51. | :01:53. | |
Do get in touch on all the stories we're talking about this morning - | :01:54. | :01:58. | |
use the hashtag Victoria LIVE and If you text, you will be charged | :01:59. | :02:01. | |
83 suspects have been identified with allegations of child abuse in | :02:02. | :02:20. | |
football. 98 clubs are thought to have been affected. We will have | :02:21. | :02:26. | |
more on this breaking story later in the programme. We will keep you | :02:27. | :02:29. | |
up-to-date with that and reaction to it. | :02:30. | :02:31. | |
The body representing some of England's top private schools | :02:32. | :02:33. | |
says its members are prepared to offer up to 10,000 free places | :02:34. | :02:36. | |
It's in response to a government consultation which said independent | :02:37. | :02:40. | |
schools need to do more to justify their charitable | :02:41. | :02:42. | |
Ministers have previously called on them to help ordinary families - | :02:43. | :02:45. | |
particularly those described as "just about managing". | :02:46. | :02:47. | |
Our Political Correspondent, Ross Hawkins reports. | :02:48. | :02:53. | |
Private schools could and should do more to justify their status | :02:54. | :02:55. | |
as charities, and the tax breaks that go with it. | :02:56. | :02:58. | |
That view was made plain in a Government | :02:59. | :03:00. | |
Now the Independent Schools Council has made ministers an offer. | :03:01. | :03:13. | |
If the Government pays their schools what it would cost to educate | :03:14. | :03:15. | |
children in the state sector, about ?5,500 a year, | :03:16. | :03:18. | |
they will provide 10,000 places for pupils from low-income families | :03:19. | :03:20. | |
The proposal would be similar in scale to the assisted | :03:21. | :03:24. | |
places scheme scrapped by Tony Blair's Government | :03:25. | :03:25. | |
The Independent Schools Council estimates that it would cost them | :03:26. | :03:32. | |
?80 million, in addition to the ?350 million of bursaries | :03:33. | :03:34. | |
They are also offering to help establish new state schools. | :03:35. | :04:01. | |
But some say private schools should do much more for society, | :04:02. | :04:03. | |
like the Chief Inspector of Schools in England, Sir Michael Wilshaw, | :04:04. | :04:06. | |
if they are to deserve the charitable status that gives | :04:07. | :04:08. | |
some of Britain's most prestigious institutions big tax breaks. | :04:09. | :04:11. | |
Annita is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary | :04:12. | :04:14. | |
The Conservatives have comfortably held the Lincolnshire seat | :04:15. | :04:17. | |
of Sleaford and North Hykeham in a byelection, with Ukip | :04:18. | :04:20. | |
Doctor Caroline Johnson took 54 per cent of the vote. | :04:21. | :04:23. | |
It was a bad result for Labour, slipping from second | :04:24. | :04:26. | |
place at the 2015 general election to fourth, behind | :04:27. | :04:28. | |
Boris Johnson begins a visit to the Middle East today, less | :04:29. | :04:31. | |
than 24 hours after he was publicly rebuked by Downing Street | :04:32. | :04:34. | |
for comments he made about Saudi Arabia. | :04:35. | :04:36. | |
The Foreign Secretary accused the country | :04:37. | :04:37. | |
of engaging in "proxy wars" - prompting Number ten | :04:38. | :04:39. | |
to insist his views did not represent government policy. | :04:40. | :04:41. | |
Mr Johnson will travel to Saudi Arabia on Sunday. | :04:42. | :04:54. | |
The second and final report on state-sponsored doping in Russian | :04:55. | :04:56. | |
An interim investigation, released in July, led to more | :04:57. | :05:09. | |
than a hundred Russian athletes being banned from the Rio Olympics, | :05:10. | :05:11. | |
and the country's entire team barred from the Paralympics. | :05:12. | :05:13. | |
It was Russia on the grandest sports stage. | :05:14. | :05:16. | |
The bombastic Winter Olympics in Sochi. | :05:17. | :05:18. | |
According to Richard McLaren, the show were severely tainted. | :05:19. | :05:20. | |
His initial report found that Russian cheats had been | :05:21. | :05:22. | |
protected in a plot worthy of an espionage thriller. | :05:23. | :05:24. | |
Secret Service agents at the dead of night inside the anti-doping lab | :05:25. | :05:27. | |
were passed dirty samples through a small hole in the wall, | :05:28. | :05:30. | |
which was swapped for clean ones, and that similar cover-ups in many | :05:31. | :05:33. | |
different sports sanctioned by the state had been | :05:34. | :05:34. | |
The Russian minister of sport directed, controlled and oversaw | :05:35. | :05:45. | |
the manipulation of athletes' analytical results or sample | :05:46. | :05:47. | |
swapping, with the active participation and assistance | :05:48. | :05:49. | |
Today, further details of what he claimed was a corrupt | :05:50. | :05:58. | |
The first part caused chaos inside the IOC ahead | :05:59. | :06:01. | |
Controversially they decided not to issue a blanket ban on Russia, | :06:02. | :06:17. | |
although the track and field team remains barred from | :06:18. | :06:19. | |
Olympic leaders have indicated tougher action will be taken | :06:20. | :06:22. | |
if further evidence confirms the Canadian professor's | :06:23. | :06:24. | |
Russia insists they are doing all they can to reform, | :06:25. | :06:27. | |
although critics claim the state is still in denial over | :06:28. | :06:29. | |
The National Assembly in South Korea has voted to impeach | :06:30. | :06:38. | |
President Park Geun-hye following allegations of corruption. | :06:39. | :06:39. | |
The measure forces her to step aside as head of state | :06:40. | :06:42. | |
while the Constitutional Court decides whether to | :06:43. | :06:44. | |
She remains technically president but all power will go immediately | :06:45. | :06:47. | |
Nearly 19,000 children were admitted to hospital after self-harming last | :06:48. | :06:56. | |
year in England and Wales - a rise of 14 per cent over the past | :06:57. | :07:00. | |
three years, according to the children's charity NSPCC. | :07:01. | :07:10. | |
It said the NHS figures should be a "real wake-up call" | :07:11. | :07:12. | |
to all those who cared about young people's wellbeing. | :07:13. | :07:14. | |
Self-harming is one of the most common reasons for children | :07:15. | :07:17. | |
to contact the charity's Childline service | :07:18. | :07:18. | |
Trade associations in the food and drink industry are warning | :07:19. | :07:20. | |
of higher prices unless the UK can secure its present access to workers | :07:21. | :07:24. | |
raised their concerns about labour shortages in an open | :07:25. | :07:39. | |
Nearly four million people are employed in producing, | :07:40. | :07:42. | |
packaging, selling and serving food and drink in the UK, | :07:43. | :07:44. | |
Ministers say they're determined to get the best deal for Britian | :07:45. | :07:48. | |
The RAC Foundation says the amount of money councils in England | :07:49. | :07:52. | |
generated from parking charges and fines rose | :07:53. | :07:54. | |
The charity says that after deducting running costs, | :07:55. | :07:57. | |
local authorities made 756 million pounds. | :07:58. | :07:58. | |
This research looks at the income councils received from parking | :07:59. | :08:02. | |
charges and penalty notices and then takes away their running costs | :08:03. | :08:04. | |
According to the RAC Foundation, in the last financial year | :08:05. | :08:08. | |
that figure rose by 9%, compared with the previous year, | :08:09. | :08:10. | |
and was up by more than one third from four years ago. | :08:11. | :08:13. | |
Falling running costs and increased income are thought | :08:14. | :08:29. | |
The RAC Foundation described the surplus as eye-wateringly large | :08:30. | :08:32. | |
and said it reflected the growing competition for parking spaces | :08:33. | :08:35. | |
The Local Government Association insisted councils don't make | :08:36. | :08:38. | |
a profit from parking, and that the money is used | :08:39. | :08:40. | |
to run parking services, as well as being invested | :08:41. | :08:42. | |
The Hollywood actor Kirk Douglas is celebrating his hundredth birthday. | :08:43. | :08:51. | |
His career has spanned seven decades, and highlights have | :08:52. | :08:53. | |
included three Oscar nominations, as well as an honorary | :08:54. | :08:55. | |
Douglas is best known for his roles in "Spartacus" and "20,000 | :08:56. | :09:01. | |
President Obama has led tributes to the first | :09:02. | :09:08. | |
American to orbit the Earth, John Glenn, who has | :09:09. | :09:10. | |
Mr Obama said the former astronaut and senator was an "icon" whose | :09:11. | :09:15. | |
successful flight, in the Friendship Seven | :09:16. | :09:19. | |
capsule in 1962, showed there was no limit | :09:20. | :09:21. | |
Our Science correspondent Pallab Ghosh reports. | :09:22. | :09:29. | |
On February 20th, 1962, John Glenn began a journey | :09:30. | :09:31. | |
that would make him one of America's greatest heroes. | :09:32. | :09:37. | |
Back then, there was only room for one in the spacecraft. | :09:38. | :09:45. | |
And mission control was in a cramped room. | :09:46. | :09:49. | |
It was all so new, and astronauts were doing things | :09:50. | :09:51. | |
MISSION CONTROL: Godspeed, John Glenn. | :09:52. | :09:55. | |
Friendship 7 set off, taking the US Marine | :09:56. | :10:04. | |
He was not the first man in space, or even the first American. | :10:05. | :10:09. | |
But John Glenn's orbit was the moment the Americans finally | :10:10. | :10:14. | |
caught up with the Soviets in the space race. | :10:15. | :10:19. | |
His performance in fulfilment of this most dangerous assignment | :10:20. | :10:29. | |
reflects the highest credit upon himself and the United States. | :10:30. | :10:31. | |
And for that, President Kennedy and the nation were duly grateful. | :10:32. | :10:43. | |
John Glenn was the embodiment of America's new-found supremacy. | :10:44. | :10:47. | |
And it was only now it had found expression. | :10:48. | :10:53. | |
In 1974, John Glenn was elected to the Senate, and ten years later, | :10:54. | :10:57. | |
he tried to become the Democratic candidate for president, but failed. | :10:58. | :11:04. | |
And lift-off of Discovery with a crew of six astronaut heroes | :11:05. | :11:08. | |
In 1998, he was still blazing a trail. | :11:09. | :11:13. | |
Aged 77, he became the oldest person to go into space. | :11:14. | :11:18. | |
Yes, I am still a little round-faced here today, | :11:19. | :11:21. | |
and that comes from the fluid body shift that occurs. | :11:22. | :11:24. | |
That's something, as I understand, that goes away | :11:25. | :11:26. | |
Just a handful of minutes remain until... | :11:27. | :11:32. | |
He'll be remembered, though, for his courage | :11:33. | :11:37. | |
and bravery in the early years of America's space programme. | :11:38. | :11:41. | |
A man, they said, that had the right stuff. | :11:42. | :11:51. | |
That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 9.30. | :11:52. | :12:02. | |
Police force is reporting that 83 potential suspects have been | :12:03. | :12:10. | |
identified in their investigation into allegations of historical child | :12:11. | :12:15. | |
sexual abuse in football. The figures they are putting out | :12:16. | :12:19. | |
indicate 98 football clubs have been impacted by allegations. Does not | :12:20. | :12:27. | |
equate to 98 football club is under investigation, that the number of | :12:28. | :12:31. | |
clubs referenced when information is submitted. That is all tiers of | :12:32. | :12:37. | |
football through to Premier League clubs into amateur. The age range of | :12:38. | :12:43. | |
potential victims is spending seven years, through to 20 years. 629 | :12:44. | :12:52. | |
referrals referred by the operation investigating the allegations. | :12:53. | :12:57. | |
Coming directly from police forces and referrals from the NSPCC | :12:58. | :13:03. | |
helpline. They will not break down the figure, into exactly what it | :13:04. | :13:07. | |
means. Allegations made by potential victims or witnesses. Whether the | :13:08. | :13:15. | |
information received is new or a duplication. They will have to break | :13:16. | :13:23. | |
down those 629 referrals in terms of numbers. They went break the figure | :13:24. | :13:28. | |
down any further, they want any figure released into the public | :13:29. | :13:32. | |
domain to be completely accurate. The accurate figures they are | :13:33. | :13:36. | |
putting out this morning, the latest figures are that 83 potential | :13:37. | :13:40. | |
suspects have been identified, 98 football clubs have been impacted. | :13:41. | :13:49. | |
The indicative number of victims provided as 350, they are saying | :13:50. | :13:54. | |
that continues to apply until the process of analysing the information | :13:55. | :13:58. | |
received by operation hydrant is released. The National police Chiefs | :13:59. | :14:05. | |
Council putting out the latest figures they have. They want anyone | :14:06. | :14:12. | |
who may have been a victim of child sexual abuse to get in touch. | :14:13. | :14:28. | |
Regardless of how long going to happen, get in touch, they would | :14:29. | :14:31. | |
treat all reports sensitively and seriously. Anyone with information | :14:32. | :14:36. | |
is urged to come forward. We will keep you updated on that, and bring | :14:37. | :14:41. | |
you more reaction to it, get in touch through the morning. | :14:42. | :14:45. | |
use the hashtag #VictoriaLIVE and if you text, you will be charged | :14:46. | :14:48. | |
England's batsmen managing to find form. | :14:49. | :15:03. | |
It's been a difficult tour for England so far. | :15:04. | :15:05. | |
Remember they were close to winning the first test, | :15:06. | :15:07. | |
And then they lost the next two, so they MUST win this one | :15:08. | :15:15. | |
And then they lost the next two, so they must win this one | :15:16. | :15:18. | |
England's main problem has been scoring enough runs. | :15:19. | :15:21. | |
They've really struggled against the Indian spin bowlers, | :15:22. | :15:23. | |
but they've posted a competitive total in the first innings of this | :15:24. | :15:26. | |
match They lost three wickets quite quickly at the start of today. | :15:27. | :15:29. | |
But Jos Buttler and Jake Ball put together a vital partnership. | :15:30. | :15:31. | |
Buttler made his return to the test side in the last match. | :15:32. | :15:34. | |
Up until then he spent 14 months out of the team. | :15:35. | :15:37. | |
He's seen as more of a one day specialist, but he scored 76. | :15:38. | :15:40. | |
England did manage to get a breakthrough when india batted. | :15:41. | :15:47. | |
Moeen Ali with the wicket But they've still got | :15:48. | :15:49. | |
Yep, 2-0 against Zoria Luhansk - their first away win | :15:50. | :16:07. | |
in Europe for three years - it means they're | :16:08. | :16:10. | |
through to the knockout stages of the competition. | :16:11. | :16:11. | |
They finished second in their group will go into monday's | :16:12. | :16:14. | |
draw of 32 unseeded, but they're still one | :16:15. | :16:16. | |
Interesting to see some of their big summer signings | :16:17. | :16:19. | |
finally looking at ease in a Manchester United shirt. | :16:20. | :16:21. | |
Henrik Mkhitaryan bought for ?26 million. | :16:22. | :16:36. | |
But made a slow start to life at Old Trafford was often left out | :16:37. | :16:40. | |
But he bagged his first goal was given man | :16:41. | :16:43. | |
of the match last night, his performances have | :16:44. | :16:46. | |
United fans will also be pleased with Zlatan Ibrahimovic who's | :16:47. | :16:49. | |
on a great goal-scoring run at the moment. | :16:50. | :16:51. | |
He got United's second, which was his seventh in 6 games. | :16:52. | :16:54. | |
So lots of positives for United as they go | :16:55. | :16:56. | |
into Sunday's Premier League clash with Tottenham on Sunday. | :16:57. | :17:01. | |
Not such a good night for Southampton? | :17:02. | :17:06. | |
Their 1-1 draw with Hapoel Beersheva meant | :17:07. | :17:19. | |
they could only finish third in their group Southampton | :17:20. | :17:21. | |
perhaps paid the price for their cautious approach, | :17:22. | :17:23. | |
knowing they only needed a goal-less draw to progress. | :17:24. | :17:25. | |
It all looked to be going according to plan, but with 12 minutes to go, | :17:26. | :17:28. | |
37 years of public silence ended yesterday for Michelle Thomson | :17:29. | :17:35. | |
when she stood in front of colleagues in the House | :17:36. | :17:37. | |
of Commons and described the night when she was raped | :17:38. | :17:40. | |
The independent MP for Edinburgh West talked | :17:41. | :17:42. | |
about the horror and self-loathing she felt after her ordeal, | :17:43. | :17:45. | |
and why she kept it secret for so many years. | :17:46. | :17:47. | |
We will talk to Michelle in her first broadcast | :17:48. | :17:49. | |
interview in a few minutes, but first let's have a listen | :17:50. | :17:52. | |
Today, I am going to relay an event that happened to me many years ago, | :17:53. | :17:56. | |
and I wanted to give a very personal perspective to help people in this | :17:57. | :18:00. | |
place and outside understand one element of sexual | :18:01. | :18:02. | |
As is common, it was by somebody who was known to me. | :18:03. | :18:12. | |
He had offered to walk me home from a youth event, | :18:13. | :18:15. | |
and in those days everybody walked everywhere, it was quite | :18:16. | :18:17. | |
It was early evening, it wasn't dark, I was wearing, | :18:18. | :18:22. | |
I'm imagining, I'm guessing jeans and a sweatshirt. | :18:23. | :18:27. | |
I knew my way around where I lived, I was very comfortable, | :18:28. | :18:30. | |
and we did go a slightly different way, but I didn't | :18:31. | :18:33. | |
He told me he wanted to show me something in a wooded area, | :18:34. | :18:37. | |
and at that point I must admit I was alarmed. | :18:38. | :18:41. | |
I did have a warning bell, but I overrode that warning bell | :18:42. | :18:46. | |
because I knew him and therefore there was a level of trust in place. | :18:47. | :18:51. | |
And, to be honest, looking back at that point, I don't think | :18:52. | :18:55. | |
It was not something that was talked about. | :18:56. | :19:00. | |
My mother never talked to me about it, I didn't hear other girls | :19:01. | :19:03. | |
It was mercifully quick, and I remember first | :19:04. | :19:09. | |
of all feeling surprise, then fear, then horror | :19:10. | :19:13. | |
as I realised I quite simply couldn't escape, | :19:14. | :19:17. | |
because obviously, he was stronger than me. | :19:18. | :19:20. | |
And there was no sense, even initially, of any | :19:21. | :19:23. | |
sexual desire from him, which, I suppose, looking | :19:24. | :19:25. | |
My senses were absolutely numbed, and thinking about it now, | :19:26. | :19:35. | |
37 years later, I cannot remember hearing anything when I | :19:36. | :19:39. | |
Now, as somebody who is an ex-professional | :19:40. | :19:44. | |
musician who is very, very auditory, I find | :19:45. | :19:47. | |
I now understand that your subconscious brain, | :19:48. | :19:53. | |
not your conscious brain, makes a decision on your behalf | :19:54. | :19:58. | |
as to how you should respond, whether you take flight, | :19:59. | :20:00. | |
whether you fight, or whether you freeze. | :20:01. | :20:02. | |
I was crying, I was cold and I was shivering, | :20:03. | :20:10. | |
and I now realise of course that was the shock response. | :20:11. | :20:13. | |
I didn't tell my mother, I didn't tell my father. | :20:14. | :20:16. | |
I didn't tell my friends, and I didn't tell the police. | :20:17. | :20:21. | |
I hoped, briefly and appallingly, that I might be pregnant so that | :20:22. | :20:28. | |
that would force a situation to help me control it. | :20:29. | :20:33. | |
And, of course, without support, the capacity and resources I had | :20:34. | :20:35. | |
within me to process it were very limited. | :20:36. | :20:37. | |
I was ashamed that I had allowed this to happen to me, | :20:38. | :20:43. | |
and I had a whole range of internal conversations about, | :20:44. | :20:45. | |
I should have known, why did I go that way, | :20:46. | :20:48. | |
why did I walk home with him, why didn't I understand the danger? | :20:49. | :20:51. | |
I deserved it because I was too this, too that. | :20:52. | :20:57. | |
I felt that I was spoiled and impure, and I really felt | :20:58. | :21:00. | |
I, of course, then detached from the child that up | :21:01. | :21:11. | |
And although, in reality, at the age of 14, that was probably | :21:12. | :21:16. | |
the start of my sexual awakening, at that time, remembering back, sex | :21:17. | :21:18. | |
was something that men did to women, and perhaps this incident reinforced | :21:19. | :21:21. | |
I now understand that even a brief period of hypersexuality | :21:22. | :21:30. | |
is about trying to make sense of an incident and reframe | :21:31. | :21:32. | |
My oldest friends, with whom I'm still friends, must have | :21:33. | :21:39. | |
sensed a change in me, but because I never told them, | :21:40. | :21:43. | |
they didn't know the cause, and I allowed myself to drift away | :21:44. | :21:46. | |
And indeed, I found myself taking time off school and staying at home | :21:47. | :21:53. | |
on my own, listening to music and reading and so on. | :21:54. | :21:56. | |
I did have a boyfriend in later years of school, | :21:57. | :21:58. | |
and he was very supportive when I told him about it, | :21:59. | :22:02. | |
but I couldn't make sense in my response, | :22:03. | :22:04. | |
and it is my response that gives weight to the event. | :22:05. | :22:06. | |
I carried that guilt, anger, fear, sadness and bitterness for years, | :22:07. | :22:14. | |
and when I got married 12 years later, I felt I had a duty | :22:15. | :22:17. | |
I wanted him to understand why there was a swaddled kernel | :22:18. | :22:22. | |
of extreme emotion at the very heart of me that I knew he could sense, | :22:23. | :22:26. | |
but for many years, I simply could not say the words | :22:27. | :22:30. | |
I could not say the words, and it was only in my mid-40s | :22:31. | :22:39. | |
I took some steps to go and get help with it. | :22:40. | :22:42. | |
So it had a huge effect on me and it fundamentally and fatally | :22:43. | :22:45. | |
undermined my self-esteem, my confidence, | :22:46. | :22:46. | |
Despite this, I am blessed in my life. | :22:47. | :22:53. | |
I've been happily married for 25 years, but if this | :22:54. | :22:56. | |
was the effect from one small - albeit significant - | :22:57. | :22:59. | |
event in my life stage, how must it be for these women | :23:00. | :23:02. | |
who are carrying this on a day-by-day basis? | :23:03. | :23:07. | |
And I thought carefully, should I speak about this today? | :23:08. | :23:12. | |
And that almost intake of breath - | :23:13. | :23:16. | |
"What? You are going to go and talk about this?!" | :23:17. | :23:19. | |
- was exactly the reason that motivated me to do it, | :23:20. | :23:21. | |
because there is still a taboo about sharing this kind | :23:22. | :23:31. | |
of information, and certainly for people of my generation, | :23:32. | :23:33. | |
it is truly shocking to be talking in public about this sort of thing. | :23:34. | :23:37. | |
And, as somebody remarked earlier, rape doesn't just affect the woman, | :23:38. | :23:41. | |
it affects the family as well, and before my mother | :23:42. | :23:44. | |
died early of cancer I really wanted to tell her, | :23:45. | :23:46. | |
I have a daughter, and if something happened to my daughter | :23:47. | :23:53. | |
and she couldn't share it with me, I would be appalled, | :23:54. | :23:57. | |
and so it was possibly cowardly, but it was an act of love that | :23:58. | :24:01. | |
Michelle's story reduced many of her colleagues to tears, | :24:02. | :24:05. | |
including the House of Commons Speaker, John Bercow. | :24:06. | :24:08. | |
I thank the honourable lady for what she has said | :24:09. | :24:11. | |
and the way in which she said it, which has... | :24:12. | :24:14. | |
left an indelible impression upon us all. | :24:15. | :24:20. | |
Michelle, you were talking about something so deeply personal in a | :24:21. | :24:34. | |
public forum like that, which cannot have been easy. What made you decide | :24:35. | :24:40. | |
to speak? I think it was a whole range of things. I mean obviously, | :24:41. | :24:44. | |
the debate itself was cross-party, and I had already planned to speak | :24:45. | :24:50. | |
in the debate anyway. But there is so much in the public domain at the | :24:51. | :24:56. | |
moment. Of course, your earlier right about some poor children who | :24:57. | :24:59. | |
have been abused in football clubs, it is very much in the public domain | :25:00. | :25:07. | |
and I think it is a really important part of my role as a public figure | :25:08. | :25:11. | |
to help shape and influence things in wider society. I knew that if I | :25:12. | :25:17. | |
could summon the courage to speak about this, it would get a much | :25:18. | :25:23. | |
wider resonance than one person being able to tell their friends or | :25:24. | :25:28. | |
so on, and I thought, I have to do this. Part of the thing about being | :25:29. | :25:36. | |
an MP and setting aside politics and whatnot, it is actually about giving | :25:37. | :25:40. | |
voice to people who are not able to speak out in the same way. So there | :25:41. | :25:44. | |
were a number of factors coming together. What has been -- did what | :25:45. | :25:51. | |
has been emerging over the child abuse allegations in football, and | :25:52. | :25:54. | |
hearing so movingly from men talking about their previous experiences, | :25:55. | :25:59. | |
impact on your decision? How much of a factor was that? As I said, it was | :26:00. | :26:07. | |
a range of things. You make an important point, because this kind | :26:08. | :26:10. | |
of abhorrent behaviour affects men as well. Men are subjected to rape | :26:11. | :26:19. | |
and sexual assault as well. It was more simply that the opportunity was | :26:20. | :26:23. | |
there in terms of the debate. I was going to speak in it anyway, and I | :26:24. | :26:29. | |
thought it would be useful to offer that personal perspective. You could | :26:30. | :26:34. | |
see when I was speaking that it was very real for me. All I was doing | :26:35. | :26:40. | |
was recounting what happened to me and how it made me feel, so it made | :26:41. | :26:47. | |
me very natural. The Commons feels like a very changed place these | :26:48. | :26:51. | |
days. We have heard from several MPs talking about very personal | :26:52. | :26:55. | |
experiences that have impacted deeply on their lives. We have heard | :26:56. | :27:00. | |
MPs talking about stillbirth. We have seen MPs in tears in the | :27:01. | :27:03. | |
Commons chamber. Does it now feel like the sort of environment where | :27:04. | :27:08. | |
it is right to bring up these personal experiences, because it is | :27:09. | :27:11. | |
a way of communicating with so many people out there who will be feeling | :27:12. | :27:17. | |
the same, having experienced common situations that don't get talked | :27:18. | :27:23. | |
about? Yeah, the Commons chamber can be a variety of things. Obviously, | :27:24. | :27:28. | |
everybody will see Prime Minister's Questions, when there was a lot of | :27:29. | :27:32. | |
sparring back and forth. And there are really political debates, where | :27:33. | :27:39. | |
people are taking sides. Sometimes, to be honest, you can hear behaviour | :27:40. | :27:43. | |
that is not helpful. And a bit of rudeness and argy-bargy and so on. | :27:44. | :27:50. | |
But there is also the important cross-party debates, where people | :27:51. | :27:53. | |
genuinely leave their politics at the door. It's not about politics, | :27:54. | :27:57. | |
it's about human beings and it's about providing a forum for people | :27:58. | :28:03. | |
to speak and engage on topics like this that are so important and | :28:04. | :28:06. | |
affect people's lives on the day by day basis. To my mind, they are some | :28:07. | :28:15. | |
of the best debates to take part in, because if you can help change | :28:16. | :28:18. | |
things for people, that is a wonderful privilege. How much do you | :28:19. | :28:24. | |
think has changed in terms of people coming out to talk about what has | :28:25. | :28:27. | |
happened to them? We have been hearing from people who were | :28:28. | :28:31. | |
affected many years ago, you included. But looking back to the | :28:32. | :28:35. | |
14-year-old girl that you were at the time when you were struggling to | :28:36. | :28:38. | |
understand what had happened to you, you did not know what rate was and | :28:39. | :28:42. | |
you felt you couldn't talk to anybody, in the end, if it is a | :28:43. | :28:48. | |
child, those confused feelings will always be there, however much | :28:49. | :28:54. | |
awareness there is amongst others about what is going on. That is an | :28:55. | :29:00. | |
important question. How much have things really changed? The fact that | :29:01. | :29:06. | |
I was able to talk about that, obviously I have taken the time to | :29:07. | :29:13. | |
give the right information to my own daughter and we have a close | :29:14. | :29:17. | |
relationship. But I think we as a society are light years away from | :29:18. | :29:23. | |
where we should be about keeping young children, women and girls | :29:24. | :29:28. | |
safe. The statistics are huge about what many women, who incidentally | :29:29. | :29:34. | |
will not be able to speak out, are subjected to on a day by day basis. | :29:35. | :29:41. | |
I think we have so much further to go. Yes, we have clearly made | :29:42. | :29:46. | |
progress. But we are nowhere near it yet. And some of the language I was | :29:47. | :29:51. | |
using, I almost deliberately wanted to shock. I have heard some men use | :29:52. | :29:58. | |
the kind of language... Well, she must have been asking for it. I have | :29:59. | :30:04. | |
heard men say that in the last couple of years, and that is | :30:05. | :30:10. | |
outrageous. For me, it is about changing society so that it becomes | :30:11. | :30:18. | |
so completely unacceptable. Yes, we will take steps over people who have | :30:19. | :30:21. | |
been involved in the sexual abuse of children, but we have to stop it | :30:22. | :30:24. | |
happening in the first place and I think we have some way to go. | :30:25. | :30:37. | |
What about changing the law? You are in a position to campaign on that | :30:38. | :30:46. | |
platform. Do you see aspects of the law that you would like to | :30:47. | :30:51. | |
potentially campaign on? To be honest, the law is clear about what | :30:52. | :30:57. | |
is right and wrong. The difficulty is getting to a successful | :30:58. | :31:03. | |
prosecution. We know the reporting rates for rape are very low. We can | :31:04. | :31:09. | |
only guess, if people do not tell us about it. We know conviction rates | :31:10. | :31:17. | |
are also very low. In a matter of law, it is vital somebody's given | :31:18. | :31:22. | |
the premise of innocence before being proven guilty. We still have | :31:23. | :31:29. | |
some way to go before that. This is continuing the talked about. All the | :31:30. | :31:37. | |
agencies understand, and I don't think it is a matter of law, how we | :31:38. | :31:41. | |
can go forward and build knowledge so that less of this happens, and if | :31:42. | :31:48. | |
it is dealt with incredibly sympathetically. Prosecution and | :31:49. | :31:56. | |
conviction can occur. We saw John Burke a to tears when he heard you | :31:57. | :32:03. | |
speak. MPs have been tweeting about what you said, describing yourself | :32:04. | :32:08. | |
as a survivor not a victim. Johnny Mercer said carriage. Another MP | :32:09. | :32:14. | |
saying deeply inspiring speech about her ordeal. How did people react | :32:15. | :32:28. | |
around yesterday. The whole response has been completely humbling. I was | :32:29. | :32:33. | |
not really giving attention to anyone else. I was wrapped up in the | :32:34. | :32:40. | |
story I was trying to relay. Did not see the speaker until after I had | :32:41. | :32:48. | |
finished. I would like to give my thanks to the support I have | :32:49. | :32:53. | |
received. It is people in the way that community, I had a huge amounts | :32:54. | :33:04. | |
of e-mails. I am humbled. One very important thing I would stress, I | :33:05. | :33:08. | |
would seek to bring the issue and put it squarely on the table, offer | :33:09. | :33:15. | |
a personal perspective, so people understood how it affects lives. | :33:16. | :33:23. | |
Trying to feed into driving change. Thank you to everybody who got in | :33:24. | :33:27. | |
touch. What we really want to happen, is that it gives more focus, | :33:28. | :33:32. | |
we can try and help other women, who I know will be suffering in silence. | :33:33. | :33:39. | |
That is important about this. It is good to hear that you have had help. | :33:40. | :33:44. | |
You have reached the stage where you can talk about it in the way you are | :33:45. | :33:49. | |
talking about. All these years after the event, how do you feel about the | :33:50. | :33:54. | |
importance of justice? Obviously an individual matter for anybody | :33:55. | :33:58. | |
talking about historic allegations so far down the track. We have seen | :33:59. | :34:02. | |
what has happened with the historic allegations of child abuse in | :34:03. | :34:07. | |
football, what is your view on justice? We have seen everybody | :34:08. | :34:15. | |
taking their own perspective. I articulated yesterday there are | :34:16. | :34:20. | |
elements of my personality I now understand a word directly shaped by | :34:21. | :34:25. | |
that event. The fact that I now understand that, in a curious way | :34:26. | :34:29. | |
the position I have ended up in has given me strength to at least | :34:30. | :34:32. | |
understand it. What I was trying to put across what I was saying when I | :34:33. | :34:37. | |
was young, I did not have the faintest idea why I was behaving the | :34:38. | :34:41. | |
way I did. I am not doing this to try and go after somebody. Not what | :34:42. | :34:48. | |
it is about. It is about saying I am not a victim I am a survivor. Had it | :34:49. | :34:56. | |
been even ten years ago, I would have said I want to go after him. I | :34:57. | :35:02. | |
use to either lead daydream, if I could do this evening, do that, I | :35:03. | :35:08. | |
was so angry and bitter. I not now. That, I would stress is a very | :35:09. | :35:13. | |
personal perspective I am taking. Everybody must take the ring view | :35:14. | :35:23. | |
about how they want to move forward. People have been subjected to | :35:24. | :35:26. | |
terrible things, I would encourage people to do what is right for them. | :35:27. | :35:31. | |
I would like to read out some tweets and e-mails we have in getting while | :35:32. | :35:36. | |
he had been talking this morning. Glenn has said what a remarkable | :35:37. | :35:41. | |
person, such strength in dignity interactions. Well done for standing | :35:42. | :35:43. | |
up and speaking about this. Catherine had said I am 55, hearing | :35:44. | :35:48. | |
Michelle Thomson brought back painful memories. Colin tweeted, I | :35:49. | :35:53. | |
bow to you for shining a light, it will help many people. Joanna said I | :35:54. | :35:58. | |
have heard the MP talking about when she was raped I felt that shame when | :35:59. | :36:07. | |
I was raped by my stepfather at 12 years old, he is dead. It still | :36:08. | :36:12. | |
makes me cry hearing the story brings it all back. Louise has said | :36:13. | :36:18. | |
so brave from Michelle Thomson, a shame so many MPs did not bother to | :36:19. | :36:21. | |
turn up for such an important debate. I have already had so many, | :36:22. | :36:34. | |
what I would say to people I did go and get help. It took me until my | :36:35. | :36:39. | |
mid-40s. I was embarrassed, I was not even able to say the word rape | :36:40. | :36:44. | |
without welling up and crying. Never mind actually describing it. It was | :36:45. | :36:49. | |
remarkably at that point I thought, this is an issue. I am carrying | :36:50. | :36:54. | |
something. By the time I got married I knew that. I did not realise to | :36:55. | :37:00. | |
what extent, and what debt. I would encourage everyone, go and do that. | :37:01. | :37:06. | |
In a strange kind of way I have pushed back, it has set me free. It | :37:07. | :37:15. | |
has given the liberty to move in my life, that I am pleased, ultimately | :37:16. | :37:20. | |
I did go and get help. I would encourage other people to do the | :37:21. | :37:24. | |
same. Thank you very much for taking time to speak to us this morning. | :37:25. | :37:28. | |
Thank you for your comments on our interview with Michelle Thompson. | :37:29. | :37:32. | |
Still to come: The World Anti-Doping Agency releases a second report this | :37:33. | :37:34. | |
morning into state-sponsored doping in Russian sport. | :37:35. | :37:36. | |
We'll be talking to a journalist in Moscow who's been | :37:37. | :37:39. | |
Having a stroke at 14 years old is incredibly rare - | :37:40. | :37:42. | |
but Connor Lynes went from being a healthy | :37:43. | :37:44. | |
teenager to needing constant care after a stroke | :37:45. | :37:46. | |
We'll bring you a special film with his story. | :37:47. | :38:00. | |
Police forces across the country have reported that eighty-three | :38:01. | :38:07. | |
potential suspects have been identified, in connection | :38:08. | :38:10. | |
with allegations of historical child sexual abuse in football. | :38:11. | :38:14. | |
The National Police Chiefs' Council says there have been 639 referrals | :38:15. | :38:17. | |
to the nationwide police inquiry - Operation Hydrant - | :38:18. | :38:19. | |
from the NSPCC helpline - and from police forces. | :38:20. | :38:21. | |
It also says that ninety-eight clubs are thought to have been affected, | :38:22. | :38:24. | |
but that doesn't mean they are under investigation. | :38:25. | :38:40. | |
To anyone who has experienced sexual abuse as a young footballer, the | :38:41. | :38:47. | |
NSPCC has a helpline which offers advice and support. | :38:48. | :39:01. | |
The Conservatives have comfortably held the Lincolnshire seat | :39:02. | :39:03. | |
of Sleaford and North Hykeham in a byelection, with Ukip | :39:04. | :39:05. | |
Doctor Caroline Johnson took 54 per cent of the vote. | :39:06. | :39:09. | |
It was a bad result for Labour, slipping from second | :39:10. | :39:11. | |
place at the 2015 general election to fourth, behind | :39:12. | :39:13. | |
Boris Johnson begins a visit to the Middle East today, less | :39:14. | :39:18. | |
than 24 hours after he was publicly rebuked by Downing Street | :39:19. | :39:20. | |
for comments he made about Saudi Arabia. | :39:21. | :39:22. | |
The Foreign Secretary accused the country | :39:23. | :39:23. | |
of engaging in "proxy wars" - prompting Number ten | :39:24. | :39:26. | |
to insist his views did not represent government policy. | :39:27. | :39:28. | |
Mr Johnson will travel to Saudi Arabia on Sunday. | :39:29. | :39:41. | |
David Cameron has said he has no regrets about | :39:42. | :39:43. | |
He made his comments during a speech at a university | :39:44. | :39:47. | |
in the American state of Indiana, where he said he remained upbeat | :39:48. | :39:49. | |
I believe that choice will be carried through. | :39:50. | :39:54. | |
I think it's right that it is carried through. | :39:55. | :39:57. | |
And, yes, there will be difficulties along the way, | :39:58. | :40:01. | |
because it's a big change, but ultimately it can | :40:02. | :40:03. | |
Councils in England made more than 750 million pounds from parking | :40:04. | :40:07. | |
charges and fines last year - a rise of more than 60 million. | :40:08. | :40:10. | |
Research from the RAC Foundation found that the largest totals | :40:11. | :40:13. | |
The Local Government Association has insisted that councils do not make | :40:14. | :40:16. | |
England's cricketers managed to post a competitive total | :40:17. | :40:37. | |
in the fourth test against india in Mumbai Jos Buttler scored 76 | :40:38. | :40:40. | |
India are going well in reply though. | :40:41. | :40:49. | |
England must win the match if they're to stay in the series | :40:50. | :41:00. | |
Manchester United won two-nil away, at Ukrainian side Zoria Luhansk | :41:01. | :41:02. | |
to secure their place in the knock out stages of the Europa League. | :41:03. | :41:06. | |
It's their first away win in Europe for three years, | :41:07. | :41:08. | |
despite playing in frozen temperatures, on a pitch | :41:09. | :41:10. | |
manager Jose Mourinho described as "difficult". | :41:11. | :41:11. | |
But Southampton were knocked out of the competition, | :41:12. | :41:13. | |
on goal difference, after a one all draw at home to Israeli side, | :41:14. | :41:16. | |
And Laura Kenny, has been named the Sunday Times | :41:17. | :41:20. | |
It comes in the same year that she became Britain's most | :41:21. | :41:24. | |
The 24-year old led the team pursuit squad to victory in Rio, | :41:25. | :41:28. | |
and also successfully defended her omnium title. | :41:29. | :41:40. | |
Top private schools in England are to offer up to 10,000 free | :41:41. | :41:43. | |
places to low income families every year. | :41:44. | :41:44. | |
It's in response to a government consultation which said independent | :41:45. | :41:47. | |
schools need to do more to justify their charitable status | :41:48. | :41:49. | |
Our political correspondent Ross Hawkins is here. | :41:50. | :42:02. | |
What are they offering? We have had this for years, the debate about | :42:03. | :42:10. | |
some of the most prestigious and wealthy situations are charities, | :42:11. | :42:14. | |
they get big tax breaks. For years under pressure. The government has | :42:15. | :42:20. | |
said if they do not act, they were right into law exactly what they | :42:21. | :42:22. | |
have to do to justify being charities. They have said if the | :42:23. | :42:27. | |
state gives us the cost of educating a child in the state sector, we will | :42:28. | :42:33. | |
provide 10,000 places in England, paying the rest of the money and | :42:34. | :42:37. | |
making the education available. Sounds like a pretty good offer, if | :42:38. | :42:42. | |
you are on the receiving end. There are people questioning this morning | :42:43. | :42:47. | |
what effect that has if you skim out some of the most motivated children | :42:48. | :42:50. | |
from the state sector putting them into private schools. Do we want to | :42:51. | :42:55. | |
be giving potentially millions of pounds of taxpayers money to some of | :42:56. | :42:59. | |
these private is situations to educate students in the state | :43:00. | :43:05. | |
sector? Does not shut down the debate about whether they should | :43:06. | :43:09. | |
have charitable status? No prospect of that debate being shut down. They | :43:10. | :43:15. | |
say they do much more by the way of charitable bursaries, help for | :43:16. | :43:19. | |
individual students than they benefit from the tax break status. | :43:20. | :43:24. | |
They think they are making the sort of size of Arthur of a scheme got | :43:25. | :43:29. | |
rid of by Tony Blair back in 1997, when he came in with new Labour. | :43:30. | :43:34. | |
Something of that scale already existed. They said they want to | :43:35. | :43:40. | |
recreate something on that scale. Aiming it at lower income families. | :43:41. | :43:45. | |
They hope it will give Theresa May an opportunity to say we are putting | :43:46. | :43:49. | |
the squeeze on elite institutions, helping some of those people just | :43:50. | :43:54. | |
about managing, in her phrase, we are miles away from seeing a precise | :43:55. | :43:58. | |
design, and the government signing up to do this. Miles away from when | :43:59. | :44:03. | |
it would start. They say if they got the green light, could be up and | :44:04. | :44:08. | |
running in a couple of years. Regarding the argument about | :44:09. | :44:11. | |
concerns of skimming out the most motivated and able pupils from the | :44:12. | :44:20. | |
state sector. Who is raising the issue, and what are the private | :44:21. | :44:27. | |
school saying? Estelle Morris, who got rid of the scheme in the 1980s, | :44:28. | :44:36. | |
she is saying this scheme will not be just aimed at the brightest | :44:37. | :44:39. | |
students. You do just that the test to get in. When they do, there is a | :44:40. | :44:46. | |
way to design it so you are not just going after the very brightest. Not | :44:47. | :44:50. | |
taking kids at to go to private school, potentially taking kids to | :44:51. | :44:55. | |
go to a new grammar school, become offensive left with those who | :44:56. | :45:00. | |
remain. They say they can design it correctly. They're waiting for the | :45:01. | :45:03. | |
government to come to them and give them a hint as to how this would | :45:04. | :45:08. | |
work. Certainly standing pretty ready to do something. If the | :45:09. | :45:12. | |
charitable status was taken away, it would be a real blow to some of the | :45:13. | :45:15. | |
smaller and less famous institutions. | :45:16. | :45:17. | |
Pop stars Taylor Swift and Zayn Malik are collaborating | :45:18. | :45:20. | |
on a new song for the soundtrack to the upcoming film | :45:21. | :45:22. | |
We'll be looking at the wild reception this news has | :45:23. | :45:26. | |
A major report into the use of banned drugs in Russian sport | :45:27. | :45:35. | |
It's the second report on the subject commissioned | :45:36. | :45:40. | |
The first part claimed that Russia had a state-sponsored | :45:41. | :45:50. | |
drugs programme in sport, and it resulted in hundreds of | :45:51. | :45:52. | |
the nation's athletes being banned from the Rio Olympics this summer. | :45:53. | :45:57. | |
Since then, historical drug tests have been checked again, | :45:58. | :45:59. | |
including some from the 2012 Olympics, with several Russian | :46:00. | :46:01. | |
athletes stripped of major medals after positive results. | :46:02. | :46:03. | |
Here's a reminder of how the scandal unfolded. | :46:04. | :46:06. | |
It's the worst doping scandal in history, but how did we get here? | :46:07. | :46:09. | |
Talk of Russian doping has been around for years. | :46:10. | :46:12. | |
Just days before the Beijing Olympics, seven athletes | :46:13. | :46:15. | |
were suspended for providing fake urine samples. | :46:16. | :46:20. | |
Four years later in London, Russia had a successful Games, | :46:21. | :46:24. | |
a total of 71 medals in what was called | :46:25. | :46:26. | |
In 2014, a German TV station broadcast claims that most Russian | :46:27. | :46:37. | |
athletes were using banned substances, and that Russian | :46:38. | :46:41. | |
officials could make positive tests disappear for cash. | :46:42. | :46:44. | |
The World Anti-Doping Agency set up an independent commission | :46:45. | :46:51. | |
to look into the claims, headed by this man, its former | :46:52. | :46:54. | |
The same TV station and the Sunday Times then | :46:55. | :46:58. | |
this time claiming that so-called blood doping is rife in athletics, | :46:59. | :47:03. | |
with 80% of Russian medal winners under suspicion. | :47:04. | :47:05. | |
It said the sport's governing body, the IAAF, had done next | :47:06. | :47:07. | |
The then frontrunner to lead that organisation, Lord Coe, | :47:08. | :47:11. | |
I don't think anybody should underestimate the anger that is felt | :47:12. | :47:18. | |
in our sport in the portrayal in the last few days | :47:19. | :47:20. | |
of a sport that has done, historically, absolutely nothing. | :47:21. | :47:28. | |
We've led the way on this, and that in some way, we sit | :47:29. | :47:31. | |
on our hands at best, and at worst are complicit | :47:32. | :47:33. | |
in a cover-up, that just is not borne out by anything we have done | :47:34. | :47:37. | |
A few months later, Wada's independent commission | :47:38. | :47:40. | |
Russia was guilty of systemic state-sponsored doping. | :47:41. | :47:46. | |
Then, more confirmation - the International Olympic Committee | :47:47. | :47:50. | |
said it had retested frozen samples from the Beijing | :47:51. | :47:53. | |
31 athletes from Beijing failed those retests - | :47:54. | :47:57. | |
23 athletes from London also failed - eight of those | :47:58. | :48:03. | |
Another round of retesting found another 45 positive | :48:04. | :48:08. | |
Russian track and field athletes were banned | :48:09. | :48:13. | |
from the Rio Olympics, and all athletes | :48:14. | :48:16. | |
The independent report by Canadian Professor Richard McLaren | :48:17. | :48:21. | |
being released today is expected to give details of doping at | :48:22. | :48:24. | |
Let's talk now to Andrew Steele, a British Olympic athlete - | :48:25. | :48:40. | |
Dimitry Babich from the Sputnik News Agency in Moscow - | :48:41. | :48:42. | |
and in Sheffield, Dr Tom Bassindale a forensic toxicologist. | :48:43. | :48:52. | |
Tom, we don't know what will be in this report today, but there has | :48:53. | :48:57. | |
already been a lot of evidence stacked up against Russia. How do | :48:58. | :49:01. | |
you see the allegations that we are hearing? The main thrust of | :49:02. | :49:06. | |
today's's report will probably be on the athletes themselves. The first | :49:07. | :49:13. | |
reports of there were 600 or so samples that had simply disappeared | :49:14. | :49:19. | |
and not been analysed. And there were 60 or so samples where the | :49:20. | :49:25. | |
results had been changed. So the thrust of this report will be naming | :49:26. | :49:28. | |
those people and trying to get to the bottom of what they used and | :49:29. | :49:32. | |
maybe seeing if they can go back and test historical samples from those | :49:33. | :49:39. | |
athletes. Andrew, you have felt the effect of competing against athletes | :49:40. | :49:44. | |
who have been cheating because when you were in the 2008 Olympic relay, | :49:45. | :49:49. | |
you've finished fourth. You subsequently were told you should | :49:50. | :49:52. | |
have had the third-place medal, because the Russians who won the | :49:53. | :49:57. | |
bronze were cheating. Tell us about how you discovered this. Well, we | :49:58. | :50:01. | |
finished fourth some eight years ago in Beijing. We had a Russian team, | :50:02. | :50:05. | |
and one of the athletes has since been implicated in this retest. They | :50:06. | :50:10. | |
retest of the samples eight years later and an adverse analytical | :50:11. | :50:16. | |
findings showed up in that. So by default, the Russian team lose that | :50:17. | :50:20. | |
third place and the British team, the fourth placed team, upgraded in | :50:21. | :50:25. | |
theory to third place. So in some way, we have had a more successful | :50:26. | :50:33. | |
result that we had at the time. But so long after the event. How do you | :50:34. | :50:38. | |
feel about it? Well, either happy to be able to say, we were the rightful | :50:39. | :50:43. | |
third-place finishers. But it is a shame to have missed out on the | :50:44. | :50:46. | |
opportunity to stand on the podium. In my career, that was the closest I | :50:47. | :50:52. | |
got. So it was a real shame to not experience that at the time. Do you | :50:53. | :50:56. | |
think it had an impact on your career? As an athlete, when you can | :50:57. | :51:01. | |
present the fact that you have secured an Olympic medal, do other | :51:02. | :51:04. | |
things follow from that and if you don't get one, do you lose out? I do | :51:05. | :51:09. | |
believe that sporting success is built on small changes in a | :51:10. | :51:13. | |
trajectory when things go well or don't go well. As you can see, when | :51:14. | :51:18. | |
somebody wins, winning begets winning. I do believe it would have | :51:19. | :51:22. | |
been an important factor for me going forward, especially to the | :51:23. | :51:25. | |
London 2012 games four years after Beijing, if I had been able to say I | :51:26. | :51:29. | |
had come back from my first Olympic Games with a medal. That would have | :51:30. | :51:35. | |
helped my performance. Dmitry from the Sputnik newsagency in Moscow, | :51:36. | :51:38. | |
Russia has paid the price this summer for what went on at Rio. Is | :51:39. | :51:46. | |
this an issue of national shame? I think it should be an issue of | :51:47. | :51:51. | |
national shame for Britain, the United States and Canada. While I | :51:52. | :51:54. | |
understand that I am speaking against everything you have said in | :51:55. | :51:57. | |
the last ten minutes, you simply didn't mention a lot of facts. All | :51:58. | :52:04. | |
the Russian track and field federation were banned from | :52:05. | :52:06. | |
participating in the Rio Olympics. I think that is a shame, because the | :52:07. | :52:12. | |
responsibility should be individual. You are trying to turn it around on | :52:13. | :52:16. | |
other countries, but it is Russia that has been found to have that | :52:17. | :52:20. | |
state-sponsored doping programme going on. It has meant that athletes | :52:21. | :52:28. | |
like Andrea lost out. Let me finish. If you look at what happened, the | :52:29. | :52:32. | |
whole Russian team of track and field were not allowed to go to Rio, | :52:33. | :52:40. | |
despite having a majority of athletes who never failed that the | :52:41. | :52:45. | |
ping tests. And there were some American and British athletes who | :52:46. | :52:48. | |
had failed that test before, but who still went to Rio. You can obviously | :52:49. | :52:54. | |
debate the scale of the punishment and whether the punishment fits the | :52:55. | :52:57. | |
crime and clearly you don't think so, but in terms of what Russia was | :52:58. | :53:04. | |
doing, how wrong was that? I am try to speak, and you interrupt me. The | :53:05. | :53:18. | |
problem is the fact that British athletes spoke for disqualification | :53:19. | :53:21. | |
of the full Russian team. That had never happened before. Politics were | :53:22. | :53:26. | |
involved in sports before. There are all these terrible boycotts of the | :53:27. | :53:30. | |
Olympic Games in Moscow in 1980, or the games in Los Angeles in 1984. | :53:31. | :53:34. | |
But at least we were always friends with each other. There were problems | :53:35. | :53:40. | |
between Carter and Brezhnev, but no problems between athletes. The fact | :53:41. | :53:43. | |
that now, British athletes, the whole team asked for the whole | :53:44. | :53:45. | |
Russian team to be disqualified, that is a shame that is how it is | :53:46. | :53:51. | |
understood in Russia. The allegations against Russia are not | :53:52. | :54:02. | |
of individuals doping off their own bat in an unlinked way, the | :54:03. | :54:05. | |
allegations against Russia are of a state-sponsored programme of doping. | :54:06. | :54:08. | |
Isn't that different from what has been alleged elsewhere? When you | :54:09. | :54:17. | |
check an athlete, if you find in his blood the remnants of doping, then | :54:18. | :54:21. | |
he is guilty. It doesn't matter if it was the state or another | :54:22. | :54:24. | |
individual who infected him with that doping. In this report, he said | :54:25. | :54:33. | |
he thought the Russian state was involved. He spoke about certain | :54:34. | :54:39. | |
scratches on urine tests. We have never even seen the photos of these | :54:40. | :54:44. | |
scratches, let alone the scratches themselves. All his accusations are | :54:45. | :54:59. | |
based on the testimony of one individual who | :55:00. | :54:59. | |
fled to the United States and immediately started to make | :55:00. | :55:04. | |
accusations, probably under duress from the American side. I want to | :55:05. | :55:11. | |
get Andrew to respond to what you are saying. Dmitry is saying that | :55:12. | :55:15. | |
the Russians feel they have been unfairly punished. What do you think | :55:16. | :55:20. | |
about the fact that a whole team was banned for what happened? I agree it | :55:21. | :55:23. | |
is a terrible shame. It should not be something that is celebrated, and | :55:24. | :55:27. | |
I am not celebrating the fact that there was a team ahead of me that | :55:28. | :55:31. | |
were then subsequently banned. There were athlete in that four by 400 | :55:32. | :55:35. | |
metre team that did not fail that test in, so they lose out, which is | :55:36. | :55:39. | |
somewhat unfair. However, my opinion is that if the system itself is | :55:40. | :55:44. | |
doing Russian athletes wrong, how else are we to elicit change unless | :55:45. | :55:50. | |
there is a large-scale move made in order to create a consequence to | :55:51. | :55:53. | |
this? I don't believe it should just be on Russia. The equivalent of this | :55:54. | :55:59. | |
McLaren report should go for every federation there is. Why don't we | :56:00. | :56:03. | |
investigate that? Or the importance should be put on this level of | :56:04. | :56:06. | |
in-depth investigation into every governing body that puts a team | :56:07. | :56:14. | |
forward for a major championship. Dr Tom Baxendale, the spotlight has | :56:15. | :56:18. | |
been shone on what is going on. How much have things changed? Well, you | :56:19. | :56:22. | |
heard there that Russia are denying that there was really a problem. No, | :56:23. | :56:31. | |
you are misquoting me. The Russian officials said there was a problem | :56:32. | :56:36. | |
and they set up an independent commission, headed by Olympic | :56:37. | :56:39. | |
champion which is now checking or the actions of the anti-doping | :56:40. | :56:46. | |
agency in Russia. So that is not true, we did not deny that there was | :56:47. | :56:52. | |
a problem. But the whole team, the collective punishment, that was | :56:53. | :56:56. | |
unfair. In that case, the investigation needs to be taken out | :56:57. | :56:59. | |
of the hands of the Russians. It needs to go to an independent body. | :57:00. | :57:03. | |
That is what this report might tell us today. The World Anti-Doping | :57:04. | :57:09. | |
Agency needs to be independent. Currently, the World Anti-Doping | :57:10. | :57:12. | |
Agency is funded by the Olympic Committee and the national sponsored | :57:13. | :57:14. | |
federations and national governments. So clearly, they have | :57:15. | :57:20. | |
slight conflict-of-interest in place there. A third of the wider members | :57:21. | :57:24. | |
are members of the International Olympic Committee. So if you want to | :57:25. | :57:28. | |
make it fully independent, the World Anti-Doping Agency needs funding and | :57:29. | :57:32. | |
it needs to be left to do its own independent reports. I agree that a | :57:33. | :57:36. | |
McLaren type report could be undertaken on many more countries if | :57:37. | :57:40. | |
that were the case, but it needs a lot more finance and more | :57:41. | :57:43. | |
independents together to do that. Thank you all very much, thank you | :57:44. | :57:52. | |
for your views on this. You can watch live coverage of the report as | :57:53. | :57:56. | |
it is released from 11.15 on the BBC News Channel. | :57:57. | :58:00. | |
Still to come: Postnatal depression is often seen as a illness | :58:01. | :58:02. | |
which affects new mums, but around one in 10 | :58:03. | :58:04. | |
With no support for men under the NHS guidelines, | :58:05. | :58:07. | |
we'll be asking just after 10 if men are suffering in silence. | :58:08. | :58:16. | |
Let's get the latest weather update. | :58:17. | :58:24. | |
We have some slightly cooler weather on the way this weekend, but today | :58:25. | :58:30. | |
is mild again. The winds are from the south or Southwest, blowing in a | :58:31. | :58:34. | |
lot of cloud and perhaps some rain. We have had some cracking sunrise | :58:35. | :58:40. | |
pictures this morning. Lovely, colourful skies. | :58:41. | :58:52. | |
You can see the extent of the cloud we have got, most of it coming in on | :58:53. | :58:57. | |
these weather fronts. It is producing some drizzle and outbreaks | :58:58. | :59:02. | |
of rain. The main area of wetter weather stretches across parts of | :59:03. | :59:06. | |
Wales and northern England, then heading across Northern Ireland and | :59:07. | :59:11. | |
into Scotland. Diddy south of that, it is dull, drizzly and misty. Slow | :59:12. | :59:18. | |
improvements across the Midlands and East Anglia. It should brighten up | :59:19. | :59:23. | |
as the cloud lifts, boosting temperatures. Further north across | :59:24. | :59:27. | |
England and into the north and west of Wales, we will have a zone of | :59:28. | :59:30. | |
much more cloud that will bring rain at times. It will turn wetter in the | :59:31. | :59:39. | |
afternoon for Northern Ireland. Northern Scotland may see a glimpse | :59:40. | :59:46. | |
of sunshine. It becomes dry overnight across Scotland and | :59:47. | :59:50. | |
Northern Ireland. Our main rain and trickles southwards. A lot of low | :59:51. | :59:55. | |
cloud. A bit misty in the south-east, where winds are lighter. | :59:56. | :00:06. | |
Here, we will catch a few blustery showers tomorrow. So does the north | :00:07. | :00:11. | |
and west of Scotland. But for much of England and Wales, cloud will be | :00:12. | :00:15. | |
thickening. Rain will debate developing through the day. A | :00:16. | :00:27. | |
miserable, wet afternoon. As we head into the second half of the weekend, | :00:28. | :00:31. | |
we are all going to get into some cooler and fresh air. That is behind | :00:32. | :00:35. | |
that weather frontage eventually takes the rain away from England | :00:36. | :00:39. | |
overnight. Over the top of that area of high pressure, we get a westerly | :00:40. | :00:44. | |
breeze. These are the temperatures in the towns and cities, not | :00:45. | :00:51. | |
desperately cold, but chillier than it has been. We follow that with a | :00:52. | :00:55. | |
bright and breezy day on Sunday. Some rain across the north and west | :00:56. | :00:59. | |
of Scotland. Temperatures will be a bit lower than today. | :01:00. | :01:06. | |
Hello I'm Joanna Gosling, welcome to the programme if you've | :01:07. | :01:11. | |
In the past hour police forces have announced that they've identified | :01:12. | :01:17. | |
eighty three potential suspects and ninety eight clubs in connection | :01:18. | :01:20. | |
with the ongoing child sexual abuse scandal in football. | :01:21. | :01:23. | |
Over six hundred referrals from a NSPCC helpline have | :01:24. | :01:25. | |
also been received - we'll be bringing you all | :01:26. | :01:27. | |
Post natal depression is often seen as a illness | :01:28. | :01:31. | |
which affects new mums - but around one in ten | :01:32. | :01:33. | |
With no support for men under the NHS guidelines we'll be | :01:34. | :01:37. | |
asking just after ten - are men suffering in silence? | :01:38. | :01:44. | |
And - an early Christmas present for music fans. | :01:45. | :01:46. | |
Taylor Swift and Zayn Malik have announced they've got together | :01:47. | :01:56. | |
"Fifty Shades Darker" - it's sent social media into a spin. | :01:57. | :01:58. | |
Taylor gave fans a taste of the song on her Twitter and Instagram feeds. | :01:59. | :02:11. | |
Police forces across the country are saying that eighty-three | :02:12. | :02:28. | |
potential suspects have been identified, in connection | :02:29. | :02:30. | |
with allegations of historical child sexual abuse in football. | :02:31. | :02:46. | |
also says there have been 639 referrals | :02:47. | :02:54. | |
to the nationwide police inquiry - Operation Hydrant - | :02:55. | :02:56. | |
from the NSPCC helpline - and from police forces. | :02:57. | :02:58. | |
It says that ninety-eight clubs, from premier to amateur, | :02:59. | :03:00. | |
have been referenced but are not necessarily under investigation. | :03:01. | :03:02. | |
we will speak to Richard Conway on this in a few minutes time. | :03:03. | :03:08. | |
Some of the top public schools in England are to offer up to 10,000 | :03:09. | :03:11. | |
free places to low-income families each year. | :03:12. | :03:18. | |
It's part of proposals being put to the government, | :03:19. | :03:21. | |
which is currently holding a consultation on the | :03:22. | :03:23. | |
Ministers have previously called on independent schools to do more | :03:24. | :03:26. | |
to benefit ordinary families, in order to justify their tax breaks | :03:27. | :03:29. | |
Police in Scotland will contact MP Michelle Thomson after she revealed | :03:30. | :03:32. | |
The independent MP told the House of Commons she was attacked | :03:33. | :03:37. | |
in a wooded area 37 years ago by someone she knew. | :03:38. | :03:40. | |
This morning, she's told this programme why | :03:41. | :03:41. | |
It is an important part of my role as a public figure to help shape and | :03:42. | :03:59. | |
influence things in wider society. I knew if I could summon the courage | :04:00. | :04:02. | |
to speak about this it would get a much wider resonance than one person | :04:03. | :04:08. | |
being able to tell their friends and so one. I sort of thought I have to | :04:09. | :04:15. | |
do this. Part of the thing about being an MP, setting aside politics, | :04:16. | :04:22. | |
it is actually about giving voice to people who are not able to speak out | :04:23. | :04:23. | |
in the same way. The Conservatives have comfortably | :04:24. | :04:26. | |
held the Lincolnshire seat of Sleaford and North Hykeham | :04:27. | :04:28. | |
in a byelection, with Ukip Doctor Caroline Johnson took 54 | :04:29. | :04:30. | |
per cent of the vote. It was a bad result for Labour, | :04:31. | :04:33. | |
slipping from second place at the 2015 general | :04:34. | :04:36. | |
election to fourth, behind Sir Malcolm Rifkind said the jury is | :04:37. | :04:53. | |
out on whether Boris Johnson can stay in the job. | :04:54. | :04:59. | |
He begins a visit to the Middle East today, less | :05:00. | :05:01. | |
than 24 hours after he was publicly rebuked by Downing Street | :05:02. | :05:04. | |
for comments he made about Saudi Arabia. | :05:05. | :05:05. | |
Malcolm Rifkind said he should not have made a statement completely out | :05:06. | :05:10. | |
of accordance with government lines. A major report into the use | :05:11. | :05:20. | |
of banned drugs in Russian sport It's the second report | :05:21. | :05:23. | |
on the subject commissioned The first part claimed that Russia | :05:24. | :05:26. | |
had a state-sponsored drugs programme in sport, | :05:27. | :05:30. | |
and it resulted in hundreds of the nation's athletes being banned | :05:31. | :05:32. | |
from the Rio Olympics this summer. A lot of people getting in touch | :05:33. | :05:39. | |
after the interview with Michelle Thompson he said in the Commons | :05:40. | :05:45. | |
yesterday she had been raped. It moved some MPs to tears yesterday. | :05:46. | :05:50. | |
Sandra has e-mailed to say is I never told anybody I was raped at 13 | :05:51. | :05:56. | |
for 30 years. I told my sister, she could not believe I had not told | :05:57. | :06:00. | |
her. I did not what my family to know, because they would feel they | :06:01. | :06:03. | |
could not protect me and would feel guilty. Cathy said I have seen | :06:04. | :06:09. | |
Michelle Thomson's interview, I had a similar experience at the age of | :06:10. | :06:13. | |
13. I have a personal story that is sad, but the speech was a comfort. | :06:14. | :06:18. | |
We must educate young men not to do this. Obviously our thoughts go out | :06:19. | :06:24. | |
to you if you have suffered experiences like that. Get in touch | :06:25. | :06:26. | |
throughout the morning. The Fourth Test is evenly poised, | :06:27. | :06:33. | |
as the the second day between England India draws | :06:34. | :06:44. | |
to a close in Mumbai. England must win the match remember | :06:45. | :06:53. | |
if they're to stay in he series. Earlier Jos Buttler helped his side | :06:54. | :06:57. | |
post a competitve 400 all out. Buttler shared a vital partnership | :06:58. | :07:00. | |
with tail-ender Jake Ball England Buttler shared a vital partnership | :07:01. | :07:05. | |
with tail-ender Jake Ball. England managed to get | :07:06. | :07:10. | |
a breakthrough when India batted - Moeen Ali with the wicket of opener | :07:11. | :07:12. | |
Rahul since then though, the hosts have recovered | :07:13. | :07:15. | |
and are looking set for a big total A few moments ago | :07:16. | :07:17. | |
they were 104 for 1. Manchester United are into the knock | :07:18. | :07:23. | |
out stage of the Europa League. They needed a draw in Ukraine, | :07:24. | :07:26. | |
to be sure of progression, Henrikh Mkhitaryan got his first | :07:27. | :07:41. | |
goal for United. Zlatan Ibrahimovic scored his second in the final | :07:42. | :07:45. | |
minutes. If you look at the numbers, playing in the opponent's half, it | :07:46. | :07:52. | |
was a team to win. Yes, I have to say they were good enough to give us | :07:53. | :07:56. | |
a difficult match. The match was difficult. | :07:57. | :07:59. | |
But Southampton are out, after a one all draw | :08:00. | :08:02. | |
All the Saints needed was a goal-less draw, | :08:03. | :08:05. | |
so Saints' late equaliser proved irrelevant as they finished third | :08:06. | :08:08. | |
Anthony Joshua makes the second defence, | :08:09. | :08:16. | |
of his IBF World Heavyweight title tomorrow, when he fights | :08:17. | :08:18. | |
Joshua is undefeated in 17 professional bouts. | :08:19. | :08:21. | |
Former champion Wladimir Klitschko, who the British figther is expected | :08:22. | :08:23. | |
to fight in the spring, will be ringside. | :08:24. | :08:30. | |
I have two beat Molina in good fashion, to go on and beat | :08:31. | :08:41. | |
Klitschko. I will not make him look like a novice. Every is step up, he | :08:42. | :08:43. | |
is adding to the progression. Laura Kenny has been named | :08:44. | :08:46. | |
the Sunday Times Sports-woman of the Year It comes in the same | :08:47. | :08:49. | |
year she became Britain's most The 24-year old, who recently | :08:50. | :08:52. | |
married fellow cyclist Jason Kenny, led the team pursuit squad | :08:53. | :08:55. | |
to victory in Rio and also successfully | :08:56. | :08:57. | |
defended her omnium title. Paracyclist champion | :08:58. | :08:59. | |
Dame Sarah Storey, came second, with Olympic taekwondo gold | :09:00. | :09:01. | |
medallist Jade Jones third. Roughly one in five mothers have | :09:02. | :09:19. | |
post-natal depression, but it's claimed up to one in ten | :09:20. | :09:21. | |
dads suffer from it too. Today, there's an international | :09:22. | :09:24. | |
event looking at myths, facts and realities surrounding | :09:25. | :09:26. | |
post-natal mental health But only one speaker will be talking | :09:27. | :09:28. | |
about the mental health of fathers. Despite studies suggesting many men | :09:29. | :09:33. | |
live with post-natal depression, campaigners say there is no support | :09:34. | :09:35. | |
for men under the NHS guidelines - So are these fathers | :09:36. | :09:38. | |
suffering in silence? Lloyd Philpott, is an expert | :09:39. | :09:51. | |
in post natal depression from University College Cork, | :09:52. | :09:57. | |
Matt Padley, suffered from PND and Jessica Warne is a mother who did | :09:58. | :10:00. | |
too - she founded a charity, Thank you for joining us. Mark, you | :10:01. | :10:14. | |
suffered from postnatal depression, you campaign about it. Not something | :10:15. | :10:19. | |
I have ever heard of, postnatal depression in men, tell us about | :10:20. | :10:24. | |
your experiences, when you realise you had a problem? I had never | :10:25. | :10:30. | |
suffered from a depression, 30 years of age, my wife had a dramatic | :10:31. | :10:35. | |
birth. I had a panic attack, I thought my wife and the baby would | :10:36. | :10:39. | |
die in the labour ward. From that, my wife had severe postnatal | :10:40. | :10:43. | |
depression. I had to give up work to look after her. I love my work, | :10:44. | :10:48. | |
there was no money coming in, we had a mortgage. The stigma, telling my | :10:49. | :10:54. | |
best friends and family. All in the short space of time. I started to | :10:55. | :10:59. | |
get suicidal thoughts. When you say you had to give up your job, was | :11:00. | :11:03. | |
there because of the matter support you had to get your wife, or because | :11:04. | :11:07. | |
you are struggling and could not cope? Mobley was talking about | :11:08. | :11:16. | |
postnatal depression, let alone father's. I was worried about my | :11:17. | :11:22. | |
wife, I could not tell her, I wanted her to get better, suffered for six | :11:23. | :11:27. | |
years. I was not diagnosed, but I would have been to date. It got so | :11:28. | :11:31. | |
bad, you said you considered taking your own life? I never made a plan. | :11:32. | :11:41. | |
The second time, when I had a full on breakdown, my coping skill was | :11:42. | :11:45. | |
drinking. The first year, my personality change, I was angry, | :11:46. | :11:51. | |
busted my hand, totally out of character. Six years I suffered, | :11:52. | :11:57. | |
really I was put on medication and counselling. You said you felt you | :11:58. | :12:02. | |
had to support your wife, how vulnerable did that make you? Even | :12:03. | :12:10. | |
now, thinking about it, 12 years ago, I think of that time, horrible | :12:11. | :12:17. | |
experience for us. A lot of families break up. I mentioned, you have | :12:18. | :12:25. | |
struggled with postnatal depression. You have three children. Tell us | :12:26. | :12:32. | |
your experiences? My experience postnatal depression came after the | :12:33. | :12:35. | |
birth of our second child. Our first son. I struggled after the birth of | :12:36. | :12:42. | |
our daughter, the eldest child. Feeling I was not living up to my | :12:43. | :12:46. | |
own expectations of being a dad. Falling short of what other people | :12:47. | :12:51. | |
expected of me. Finding things everybody else found straightforward | :12:52. | :12:57. | |
difficult. Getting your children to go to sleep. I know that is not an | :12:58. | :13:03. | |
easy task, many people struggle. Having to be the provider. Having to | :13:04. | :13:08. | |
be strong, because I have not been through the physical changes, coping | :13:09. | :13:12. | |
with all of that. Rather like Mark I reached a point after the birth of | :13:13. | :13:19. | |
our second child, it's all got too much for me to cope with. To the | :13:20. | :13:25. | |
point, where something straightforward snapped. I came home | :13:26. | :13:30. | |
from work curled up in a ball in bed, my wife came home, finding me | :13:31. | :13:39. | |
there. From there, the story has been more positive, up until that | :13:40. | :13:42. | |
point, did not feel like I could talk to anyone about it. Did you | :13:43. | :13:49. | |
think postnatal depression? Not something associated. I had some | :13:50. | :13:57. | |
contact with two GPs. I reached a point where I decided I needed to do | :13:58. | :14:01. | |
something about it. A male GP dismissed the comments told me to | :14:02. | :14:11. | |
man up. -- dismissed it, told me to man up. Told me to pull it together, | :14:12. | :14:19. | |
essentially, that I chose to have children, that is my responsibility, | :14:20. | :14:22. | |
get on with it. As you could imagine, not an honestly helpful. I | :14:23. | :14:31. | |
went to see a second GP. Who took the time to have a chat with me, | :14:32. | :14:36. | |
find out what is going on. Whilst she did not diagnosed me as having | :14:37. | :14:40. | |
postnatal depression, she drew a very clear link between what I was | :14:41. | :14:45. | |
feeling, how I was feeling about life, not just about being a dad, | :14:46. | :14:48. | |
everything else, and the birth of our second child. You said you would | :14:49. | :14:54. | |
look at other people, thinking they were coping. Everybody else's baby | :14:55. | :15:00. | |
was sleeping through the night. Everyone will totally identify with | :15:01. | :15:04. | |
that feeling. Everybody else's coping brilliantly, you are not. As | :15:05. | :15:08. | |
men, how much harder is it to speak up? Women do not always, but within | :15:09. | :15:14. | |
the health service, when you go for postnatal checks, questions are | :15:15. | :15:18. | |
asked. Questions are not specifically asked of dads. I don't | :15:19. | :15:23. | |
remember anybody asking me how I was feeling, how it was doing poster. | :15:24. | :15:30. | |
Certainly I felt I did not have the right to even talk about it. Did not | :15:31. | :15:35. | |
have the right to complain. As a dad, it is your job. We're in an | :15:36. | :15:40. | |
interesting period, there is a desire for lots of dads to be far | :15:41. | :15:43. | |
more involved children than they have been historically. We have not | :15:44. | :15:48. | |
worked out as a society what we do about that, how we talk about it. If | :15:49. | :15:53. | |
your mates had asked you how you were doing, all you had known each | :15:54. | :15:59. | |
other, or having made to suffer the same feelings, but did not speak | :16:00. | :16:06. | |
openly, would you have responded differently? If someone asked you | :16:07. | :16:12. | |
how you are feeling? The time I opened up after the breakdown is to | :16:13. | :16:15. | |
a gentleman you have the same experience. We were in the gym, | :16:16. | :16:19. | |
side-by-side. That is how I started the organisation. I realised more | :16:20. | :16:24. | |
fathers were going through the same experience as me. I did not know but | :16:25. | :16:31. | |
depression was. 12 years ago the stigma was there. The education | :16:32. | :16:38. | |
behind it, I could not tell my best friends at that time. Really hard. | :16:39. | :16:44. | |
When you did start talking to them...? Best thing I have done. | :16:45. | :16:52. | |
Seeking help in the first place. Matt, it is awful to hear that you | :16:53. | :16:56. | |
were effectively told to man up when you first talk somebody about it. | :16:57. | :17:01. | |
Did you subsequently start talking to friends, and how did they | :17:02. | :17:05. | |
respond? I am fortunate to be surrounded by a good group of male | :17:06. | :17:09. | |
friends, but even talking to them, I was hesitant to use the word | :17:10. | :17:15. | |
postnatal. We were talking about this before. There is still a kind | :17:16. | :17:23. | |
of, postnatal and men, it gets a reaction. I was talking about how I | :17:24. | :17:28. | |
was feeling, but it was only a few years down the line that I started | :17:29. | :17:31. | |
to talk about it being postnatal depression rather than just | :17:32. | :17:39. | |
depression. I do mean just, but yes. Jessica, you set up a charity to | :17:40. | :17:43. | |
help women with postnatal depression, and what we are hearing | :17:44. | :17:47. | |
from Mark and Matt is something that women who have experienced it would | :17:48. | :17:53. | |
complete jabber defy with. Is male postnatal depression something you | :17:54. | :17:58. | |
have come across? Absolutely. We as a charity support the family as a | :17:59. | :18:02. | |
whole, so we look at both the mum and dad and if there are any older | :18:03. | :18:06. | |
siblings, if they need support as well. Dads are something we come | :18:07. | :18:10. | |
across a lot. We have a number of dads using our services, receiving | :18:11. | :18:16. | |
counselling throughout charity and also accessing peer support via our | :18:17. | :18:23. | |
charity. And very recently, in the last few weeks, we have had our | :18:24. | :18:28. | |
first referrals of dads from health professionals, which is a fantastic | :18:29. | :18:31. | |
move. And hopefully, it will keep increasing. Lloyd Philpott, you are | :18:32. | :18:37. | |
an academic who has done studies on postnatal depression. And to hear | :18:38. | :18:42. | |
that health authorities are starting to refer men for treatment, tell us | :18:43. | :18:48. | |
about the scale of male postnatal depression from what your research | :18:49. | :18:53. | |
has found? We have found that over the last ten years, there has been | :18:54. | :18:58. | |
an increase in academics looking at the mental health of fathers. There | :18:59. | :19:08. | |
is a prevalence of approximately 10% of fathers who have been trusted | :19:09. | :19:12. | |
postnatal depression. We are struggling to hear you a bit. We | :19:13. | :19:16. | |
will try and come back to you if we can improve the line. I just want to | :19:17. | :19:21. | |
read out a few e-mails. Angela says, my ex-husband had bad postnatal | :19:22. | :19:25. | |
depression. He could not sleep at night and through embarrassment | :19:26. | :19:29. | |
would not go back to work even when the foreman came to the house to | :19:30. | :19:33. | |
talk to him. This resulted in us losing our house. I never found out | :19:34. | :19:37. | |
the facts until years later. We had no support and it was a factor in | :19:38. | :19:41. | |
our later divorced. Paul says, postnatal depression can affect men, | :19:42. | :19:46. | |
but it is not recognised by most medical professionals. Rosie says | :19:47. | :19:49. | |
one in five mums suffer postnatal depression. One in ten dads will | :19:50. | :19:53. | |
suffer postnatal depression. There must be support for both. And James | :19:54. | :20:00. | |
says Domino support for males suffering from postnatal depression. | :20:01. | :20:03. | |
Mark and Matt, women tend to be good at talking to each other, although | :20:04. | :20:07. | |
not in all cases do they reveal when there are struggling because of | :20:08. | :20:11. | |
exactly what you were saying about always imagining others are coping | :20:12. | :20:18. | |
better. Do men need to get better at talking to each other? We know about | :20:19. | :20:22. | |
suicide rates among men. I would like to see more research into this. | :20:23. | :20:29. | |
I think you feel the same, Matt, yeah? Do we need to get better at | :20:30. | :20:36. | |
talking to each other? I think as a society, we have got better at | :20:37. | :20:39. | |
talking about mental health, but there is still a barrier for lots of | :20:40. | :20:44. | |
men in opening up and being seen to be vulnerable in a society that | :20:45. | :20:49. | |
still doesn't really think that is acceptable. So I think there needs | :20:50. | :20:55. | |
to be a societal change. It is not just about men changing, it is about | :20:56. | :21:00. | |
how we respond as a society to mental health more broadly, but in | :21:01. | :21:05. | |
particular for men and what they struggle with. Lloyd Philpott, what | :21:06. | :21:09. | |
would you identify as the ways of getting to grips with this and | :21:10. | :21:17. | |
providing help? We have to increase awareness among the general public | :21:18. | :21:19. | |
and among mental health professionals. In a wider context, | :21:20. | :21:27. | |
we started by introducing paternity leave, which has been shown to | :21:28. | :21:32. | |
increase fathers' involvement and decrease depression in them. It | :21:33. | :21:39. | |
starts with health care professionals, especially screening | :21:40. | :21:44. | |
fathers who are at high risk. When a mother is diagnosed with postnatal | :21:45. | :21:47. | |
depression, the father or partner has a higher risk. Following on from | :21:48. | :21:57. | |
that, when we screen, we need a referral programme. We certainly | :21:58. | :22:00. | |
need to increase awareness among health care professionals. What Matt | :22:01. | :22:06. | |
said his GP said, that is what tends to happen in society. Men are taught | :22:07. | :22:13. | |
to be self-reliant. So while society wants us to be more open, we need | :22:14. | :22:21. | |
more gender equality by increasingly support to fathers and the mother | :22:22. | :22:35. | |
and the baby. Lloyd Philpott, thank you. Thank you also, Mark Williams | :22:36. | :22:38. | |
and Matt and Jessica. We've had this comment for NHS | :22:39. | :22:46. | |
England - a statement reads: We know that men with mental health | :22:47. | :22:49. | |
conditions face barriers to accessing care due to stigma | :22:50. | :22:51. | |
surrounding mental illness. A serious illness like a stroke can | :22:52. | :23:12. | |
devastate a person's life for ever. But what happens when you're fit | :23:13. | :23:15. | |
and healthy one day, to then being told you'll have | :23:16. | :23:17. | |
to face a life-saving operation and will need constant care, | :23:18. | :23:20. | |
at the age of just 14? Strokes in children | :23:21. | :23:23. | |
are incredibly rare - affecting around five out of every | :23:24. | :23:24. | |
100,000 children a year in the UK. But Connor Lynes was determined | :23:25. | :23:27. | |
to use his experience of a stroke The doctor came home, | :23:28. | :23:30. | |
and said if you don't get him down to surgery right now, | :23:31. | :23:44. | |
it could be fatal, You can't tell them goodbye, | :23:45. | :23:46. | |
you can't tell them, I just want to talk to them and say, | :23:47. | :23:55. | |
yeah, I've had a nice life, it's been a good run, | :23:56. | :24:02. | |
and bye, basically. As a little boy, he was quiet, | :24:03. | :24:06. | |
he was loving, and he was just Connor lost his dad, aged one, | :24:07. | :24:14. | |
and after that there was a few issues with mum, | :24:15. | :24:23. | |
hence why Connor came Without rugby in my life, | :24:24. | :24:26. | |
I probably would have done something stupid, | :24:27. | :24:34. | |
because I probably wouldn't have Rugby's, like, got rid | :24:35. | :24:39. | |
of the aggression, it was like a protection in a kind | :24:40. | :24:45. | |
of way, because you're getting off the streets, | :24:46. | :24:47. | |
you're getting away from people you don't want to hang around with, | :24:48. | :24:50. | |
and it's getting rid of that anger He was out five nights | :24:51. | :24:53. | |
a week training. He was always out with his mates, | :24:54. | :24:57. | |
kicking a ball about. He slept with a rugby ball, | :24:58. | :25:02. | |
you know, everything It was a dream, because any normal | :25:03. | :25:04. | |
kid of my age from Hull would want to be part of, | :25:05. | :25:08. | |
like, the Rovers. It was just an ordinary Saturday | :25:09. | :25:17. | |
morning, the boys got on the pitch, About ten minutes from the end, | :25:18. | :25:20. | |
Connor called for the ball, ran the ball in, but he ran into two | :25:21. | :25:28. | |
bigger lads, and There was nothing there | :25:29. | :25:32. | |
to raise any warning signs Well, I woke up, and I heard Connor | :25:33. | :25:37. | |
going across the landing and I shouted through to Connor, | :25:38. | :25:53. | |
and I heard this, like, all I can describe it was | :25:54. | :25:55. | |
like a wailing sound, and I knew then instantly | :25:56. | :25:58. | |
there was something not So I got to the bathroom, | :25:59. | :26:00. | |
and my daughter was behind me, and he was just slumped over, | :26:01. | :26:05. | |
and one side of the body was just slumped, and there was like fluid | :26:06. | :26:09. | |
coming out of his mouth. He couldn't talk, he | :26:10. | :26:12. | |
couldn't raise his arms. I think in the back of my mind | :26:13. | :26:14. | |
I thought, he's having a stroke, and then again I thought, | :26:15. | :26:17. | |
he's too young. The doctor came home, | :26:18. | :26:26. | |
and said it could be fatal, He started moving his arms and legs, | :26:27. | :26:28. | |
he was able to write his name, What basically made me get out | :26:29. | :26:52. | |
of bed is because I wanted to be and walk, and, yeah. | :26:53. | :26:58. | |
for my kids, so just try When they told us that I couldn't | :26:59. | :27:18. | |
play rugby again, it was just like, it felt like you were outside | :27:19. | :27:21. | |
of the room, you were not hearing And it did hurt, but you just | :27:22. | :27:25. | |
don't want to cry to A lot of people looked at Connor, | :27:26. | :27:32. | |
and think, he's fine, he's doing very well, | :27:33. | :27:36. | |
but in reality he's He's still got a blood clot | :27:37. | :27:38. | |
on his brain, he's got a narrowing They can't stent it, and they can't | :27:39. | :27:42. | |
remove the blood clot, So every day, Connor lives | :27:43. | :27:46. | |
with the fear of having another COMMENTATOR: And this is a lovely, | :27:47. | :27:52. | |
lovely touch by the Rovers, Connor Lynes, he has been signed | :27:53. | :27:56. | |
by Hull Kingston Rovers, and he takes squad number 41 | :27:57. | :28:00. | |
for this, and the rest He's gone from wanting | :28:01. | :28:02. | |
to play rugby to now just wanting to help others, | :28:03. | :28:13. | |
and he said to me, he used to get a buzz out of scoring tries | :28:14. | :28:17. | |
at rugby, but now he gets a buzz out I said to Sara one day, | :28:18. | :28:20. | |
I want to help people who have helped me, and she went, | :28:21. | :28:24. | |
OK, well, how do And I went charity work, | :28:25. | :28:27. | |
because it's probably the main thing how to help people who have got | :28:28. | :28:30. | |
learning difficulties When I'm with a kid like Jack, | :28:31. | :28:33. | |
it's amazing, he smiling, and he's knowing who you are, | :28:34. | :28:44. | |
it's like a boost to carry on, It's just gone from strength | :28:45. | :28:48. | |
to strength, he just comes up with his own ideas, | :28:49. | :28:51. | |
like designing his own rugby ball, and rugby shirt, and he did that, | :28:52. | :28:54. | |
and he puts it out there on social media, and people have really | :28:55. | :28:57. | |
bought into the idea. For someone to be so young and to be | :28:58. | :29:14. | |
able to go out and explain and teach the younger children about brain | :29:15. | :29:18. | |
injury, and what the effects This is a picture of you presenting | :29:19. | :29:20. | |
us with the cheque for ?1,000, which we are so gratefully | :29:21. | :29:30. | |
appreciative of. He is the most inspirational young | :29:31. | :29:34. | |
man that I've ever met. Sometimes I say, why is it me, | :29:35. | :29:51. | |
it's always me, because I've just had so much to cope with, | :29:52. | :29:54. | |
more than obviously a lot of 14-year-olds have had to deal | :29:55. | :29:58. | |
with in their entire life. It is hard times, but you just try | :29:59. | :30:10. | |
and get out of bed and make something of what you've been given, | :30:11. | :30:14. | |
like, because you just don't want to waste life, | :30:15. | :30:16. | |
because you don't know One Connor Lynes, there's | :30:17. | :30:18. | |
only one Connor Lynes! Southern Railway's owners lose their | :30:19. | :30:37. | |
High Court case to stop a series of strikes by train drivers. We will | :30:38. | :30:41. | |
look at the continuing impact on long-suffering travellers. Plus pop | :30:42. | :30:45. | |
stars tell us was done Zayn Malik are collaborating on a new song for | :30:46. | :30:51. | |
the soundtrack of the film British egg starker. It is generating a lot | :30:52. | :30:56. | |
of excitement. -- from the film 50 shades darker. is the | :30:57. | :31:14. | |
Police forces across the country are saying that eighty-three | :31:15. | :31:16. | |
potential suspects have been identified, in connection | :31:17. | :31:18. | |
with allegations of historical child sexual abuse in football. | :31:19. | :31:20. | |
also says there have been 639 referrals | :31:21. | :31:23. | |
to the nationwide police inquiry - Operation Hydrant - | :31:24. | :31:25. | |
from the NSPCC helpline - and from police forces. | :31:26. | :31:27. | |
It says that ninety-eight clubs, from premier to amateur, | :31:28. | :31:30. | |
have been referenced but are not necessarily under investigation. | :31:31. | :31:32. | |
we will speak to Richard Conway on this in a few minutes time. | :31:33. | :31:43. | |
only have been getting glimpses of how big this may be. The figures to | :31:44. | :31:50. | |
days seem to give us a clearer sense of the scale? They do, the numbers | :31:51. | :31:59. | |
described by the NSPCC as shocking. They say they revealed the deeply | :32:00. | :32:06. | |
disturbing extent of the abuse going on. The football hotline that was | :32:07. | :32:11. | |
launched, with the support of the FA, the NSPCC said they have had a | :32:12. | :32:19. | |
staggering amount of calls. People can come forward in confidence, they | :32:20. | :32:25. | |
will be listened to and supported. Those figures outlining the scale of | :32:26. | :32:32. | |
the problem facing football. 83 potential suspects. 98 football | :32:33. | :32:42. | |
clubs impacted. To anyone who has experienced sexual abuse as a | :32:43. | :32:47. | |
footballer, the NSPCC has a free helpline offering advice and | :32:48. | :32:47. | |
support. Some of the top public schools | :32:48. | :32:56. | |
in England are to offer up to 10,000 free places to low-income | :32:57. | :32:59. | |
families each year. It's part of proposals | :33:00. | :33:01. | |
being put to the government, which is currently holding | :33:02. | :33:03. | |
a consultation on the Ministers have previously called | :33:04. | :33:05. | |
on independent schools to do more to benefit ordinary families, | :33:06. | :33:09. | |
in order to justify their tax breaks The Conservatives have comfortably | :33:10. | :33:11. | |
held the Lincolnshire seat of Sleaford and North Hykeham | :33:12. | :33:26. | |
in a byelection, with Ukip Doctor Caroline Johnson took 54 | :33:27. | :33:28. | |
per cent of the vote. It was a bad result for Labour, | :33:29. | :33:32. | |
slipping from second place at the 2015 general | :33:33. | :33:34. | |
election to fourth, behind The number of beds closed in English | :33:35. | :33:49. | |
hospitals because of suspected Nora virus were higher than average. 655 | :33:50. | :33:55. | |
beds close each day between the 1st of December and the 4th of December, | :33:56. | :34:00. | |
an increase in 16.5% of last winter. Higher than average for the last | :34:01. | :34:07. | |
five years. 19,000 people were admitted to hospital after self | :34:08. | :34:09. | |
harming in England and Wales last year. A rising 14% over the last | :34:10. | :34:17. | |
three years according to the NSPCC. The NHS figures should be a real | :34:18. | :34:21. | |
wake-up call to all those who cared about young people's well-being. It | :34:22. | :34:27. | |
is one of the most common reasons for children to contact the service. | :34:28. | :34:40. | |
The RAC Foundation says the amount of money councils in England | :34:41. | :34:43. | |
generated from parking charges and fines rose | :34:44. | :34:45. | |
The charity says that after deducting running costs, | :34:46. | :34:48. | |
local authorities made 756 million pounds. | :34:49. | :34:55. | |
England's cricketers managed to post a competitive total in the fourth | :34:56. | :35:08. | |
test against india in Mumbai They made exactly 400 , | :35:09. | :35:10. | |
but India are looking set to make a big first innings | :35:11. | :35:13. | |
England must win the match if they're to stay in the series. | :35:14. | :35:30. | |
Manchester United won 2-0 away, at Ukrainian side Zoria Luhansk | :35:31. | :35:32. | |
to secure their place in the knock out stages of the Europa League. | :35:33. | :35:35. | |
It's their first away win in Europe for three years, | :35:36. | :35:38. | |
despite playing in frozen temperatures, on a pitch | :35:39. | :35:40. | |
manager Jose Mourinho described as "difficult". | :35:41. | :35:41. | |
But Southampton were knocked out of the competition, | :35:42. | :35:43. | |
on goal difference, after a 1-1 draw at home to Israeli side, | :35:44. | :35:46. | |
And Masters champion Danny Willett shot a four-under-par 66 to move | :35:47. | :35:49. | |
five strokes behind leader Rafa Cabrera-Bello | :35:50. | :35:51. | |
Willett - who dropped out of the world's top ten last month - | :35:52. | :35:55. | |
That is all the sport. More on the BBC News Channel through the day. | :35:56. | :36:01. | |
When the Foreign Secretary, Boris Johnson, makes his speech | :36:02. | :36:03. | |
in Bahrain later to mark the beginning of a visit | :36:04. | :36:06. | |
to the Middle East there will be great interest. | :36:07. | :36:08. | |
And that is because of what he's said about Saudi Arabia, | :36:09. | :36:11. | |
and the way he's been slapped down by the Prime Minister Theresa May. | :36:12. | :36:14. | |
He's accused the country of engaging in "proxy wars", | :36:15. | :36:16. | |
which didn't go down too well in Number 10. | :36:17. | :36:18. | |
Let's get more now with our Political | :36:19. | :36:20. | |
Not the greatest prelude to a trip for the Foreign Secretary. I think | :36:21. | :36:39. | |
he will certainly be under pressure to employ some of those diplomatic | :36:40. | :36:43. | |
skills which have not been at the forefront for the last few days. | :36:44. | :36:49. | |
Boris Johnson, it emerged, had said he believed Saudi Arabia along with | :36:50. | :36:54. | |
Iran had been puppeteering, employing proxy wars through the | :36:55. | :36:59. | |
region. He said there was a lack of leadership, leading to a lot of | :37:00. | :37:05. | |
problems in the region. Just after the Prime Minister had been out in | :37:06. | :37:11. | |
the Gulf, unprecedented honour of attending a meeting of the Gulf | :37:12. | :37:14. | |
cooperation Council. Meeting the King of Saudi Arabia. Announcing new | :37:15. | :37:19. | |
security cooperation. Talking about how important Saudi Arabia was in | :37:20. | :37:24. | |
terms of cooperation, and countering terrorism. Downing Street made it | :37:25. | :37:32. | |
clear his comments were not the policy of the government. | :37:33. | :37:36. | |
Interesting she also said this weekend he would be expected to | :37:37. | :37:43. | |
express the views of the government. Downing Street's irritation very | :37:44. | :37:47. | |
clear. It seems as if Boris Johnson is carrying on. He still has the | :37:48. | :37:52. | |
confidence of the Prime Minister. Does not seem to be facing much | :37:53. | :37:55. | |
pressure at all to stand down, despite the fact he may have ruffled | :37:56. | :38:01. | |
a few feathers. He will have to smooth them down this weekend in the | :38:02. | :38:05. | |
region. What is the relationship like between him and Theresa May? | :38:06. | :38:15. | |
There is a tension there. Downing Street and Theresa May cracking | :38:16. | :38:19. | |
jokes Boris Johnson's expense. Questioning at the party conference | :38:20. | :38:25. | |
whether she will get through the week with him staying on message. | :38:26. | :38:29. | |
Cracking a joke at his expense at an awards ceremony. Theresa May is | :38:30. | :38:34. | |
somebody who likes to keep things very calm, very control. Boris | :38:35. | :38:40. | |
Johnson is a flamboyant, outspoken character. It is clear they have not | :38:41. | :38:46. | |
seen eye to why on all these things. There is a tension. Interesting to | :38:47. | :38:52. | |
hear Sir Malcolm Rifkind saying he felt the jury was out as to whether | :38:53. | :38:59. | |
Boris Johnson could continue in that role. If he was not able to stick to | :39:00. | :39:03. | |
the script, perhaps you might be better rough in another high-profile | :39:04. | :39:08. | |
position. I'm sure Boris Johnson would not agree with that. He | :39:09. | :39:12. | |
clearly has a lot of support in the party. Interesting to hear quite a | :39:13. | :39:16. | |
few members of the foreign affairs select committee saying they believe | :39:17. | :39:21. | |
too much fuss has been made. Perhaps Downing Street was to | :39:22. | :39:27. | |
-- was a bit too swiftly slapping down. Perhaps they seek there was | :39:28. | :39:31. | |
some truth in what saying. The owners of Southern Railway have | :39:32. | :39:39. | |
lost their High Court case to stop a series of strikes | :39:40. | :39:41. | |
by train drivers. All Southern services will be hit | :39:42. | :39:43. | |
for three days next week and six days in January, | :39:44. | :39:46. | |
in a dispute about Also strike days next week, three | :39:47. | :39:48. | |
straight days. So how's it going to go | :39:49. | :40:11. | |
down with commuters, let's talk to Kim Walker | :40:12. | :40:18. | |
in Brighton, she was platform and says she's not been | :40:19. | :40:21. | |
able to travel for several weeks. And Andrew Elliott - | :40:22. | :40:25. | |
he commutes daily from Crowborough and says constant delays | :40:26. | :40:27. | |
and cancelled trains is having a big thank you both. Tell us what | :40:28. | :40:36. | |
happened to you, Kim? I was on the front of the platform, somebody | :40:37. | :40:41. | |
pushed from behind, very crowded. To stop myself falling onto the tracks, | :40:42. | :40:46. | |
I had to stretch one of my legs out, pushing backwards, in doing so, I | :40:47. | :40:52. | |
injured my hip and back. How crowded does it get? It gets very crowded. | :40:53. | :41:00. | |
All you need is one of the two trains going up and down the | :41:01. | :41:04. | |
Brighton line to be cancelled, you can have over 1000 people squeezing | :41:05. | :41:08. | |
onto one train. It gets completely mad. How do you feel about it all? | :41:09. | :41:17. | |
I'm feeling desperate and frustrated. All I want to be able to | :41:18. | :41:22. | |
do is go to work, not be worried about how it is going be, how long | :41:23. | :41:29. | |
it is going to take, am I going to sit down, am I going to have to | :41:30. | :41:34. | |
squeeze in and stand? If I get a direct train it will take one hour, | :41:35. | :41:39. | |
ten minutes. Unless I buy a first-class ticket I don't get a | :41:40. | :41:43. | |
seat. There are stories of people losing jobs because of the problems | :41:44. | :41:48. | |
this is causing. What impact has it had on your work commitments? | :41:49. | :41:57. | |
Everything else going on. I have not been able to get into my office in | :41:58. | :42:02. | |
London for one month because injury. Yesterday my Doctor signed me from | :42:03. | :42:09. | |
for another month. I cannot go into my office until January. Very | :42:10. | :42:14. | |
fortunate my employers are really understanding and generous. I can | :42:15. | :42:18. | |
work from home. Most of my work. Some of it is not getting done. Do | :42:19. | :42:24. | |
you know others whose work has been affected? Friends unable to get to | :42:25. | :42:29. | |
work, employers not quite so understanding. I know somebody | :42:30. | :42:36. | |
self-employed, losing contracts, and a huge amount of money, because she | :42:37. | :42:40. | |
was constantly turning up late for meetings in the city. I know another | :42:41. | :42:45. | |
lady who took early retirement, she could not cope with the stress. | :42:46. | :42:50. | |
Three hour commutes all the time. Which is what it is taking us. Most | :42:51. | :42:56. | |
days at the moment. Three hours, what should it be. It should take? | :42:57. | :43:06. | |
It should take one hour, 45 minutes door-to-door. Almost doubling. | :43:07. | :43:12. | |
Because of the unreliability, having to change trains. That sort of | :43:13. | :43:21. | |
thing. Andrew. You Jimmy Daley from Crowborough. What is your | :43:22. | :43:28. | |
experience? -- YouTube meet daily. Very similar. Or service for the | :43:29. | :43:33. | |
last 18 months, two years. Now the strikes have come in, exasperating | :43:34. | :43:39. | |
the issues. Going home particularly, a bit of a lottery. You cannot rely | :43:40. | :43:46. | |
on the Twitter feed from Southern, it is inaccurate. The feed in the | :43:47. | :43:54. | |
website not quite accurate. You have to pitch up in the station, hoping | :43:55. | :44:01. | |
the train is running. I had one instance where the train was | :44:02. | :44:05. | |
cancelled midway through the route. Lead driver to pick it up half. | :44:06. | :44:12. | |
Effectively did not operate halfway down the line. That is not uncommon. | :44:13. | :44:23. | |
Your commute is extended. You miss things like putting your kids to | :44:24. | :44:28. | |
bed. Helping my partner, my wife, getting them bathed and fed. You | :44:29. | :44:32. | |
miss the quality time. It does have an effect on family life. You | :44:33. | :44:38. | |
question why you do it. The role I have with my family comedy | :44:39. | :44:51. | |
experience the industry, I don't have... We are having to cancel | :44:52. | :45:00. | |
meetings, we cannot rely on the train service getting us there on | :45:01. | :45:04. | |
time. Getting us around the country. Frustrating. Doesn't seem to be an | :45:05. | :45:15. | |
-- seem to be in end in sight. A lot of posturing. We just want something | :45:16. | :45:21. | |
to happen. You said your job is where it is, you live where you left | :45:22. | :45:24. | |
me cannot change those. Have you considered changing one of the | :45:25. | :45:29. | |
elements, to try and get rid of the issue? It is not incumbent on me to | :45:30. | :45:39. | |
do that. I pay for a service to Southern, they do not deliver. When | :45:40. | :45:45. | |
you hear people saying why don't you move? Why and how I can sell my | :45:46. | :45:51. | |
house. I moved there because of the train station. How my game and get | :45:52. | :45:56. | |
someone else to buy the house? Not incumbent on me to do that. They | :45:57. | :46:01. | |
should deliver the service we pay for. | :46:02. | :46:07. | |
Southern rail say they have made many compromises with the RMT union | :46:08. | :46:13. | |
and they say the dispute is not their fault. Talks have been going | :46:14. | :46:17. | |
on and we have made a number of compromises. They came out in our | :46:18. | :46:20. | |
8-point plan that we put the RMT. The RMT did not put the plant of | :46:21. | :46:24. | |
their members, so we would like them to do that. We have been listening | :46:25. | :46:28. | |
to people and try to find a compromise. But we will not come | :46:29. | :46:40. | |
from eyes on our desire to improve the way we operate our service for | :46:41. | :46:43. | |
our customers. A quick final thought from you, Andrew. They say they are | :46:44. | :46:46. | |
doing what they can. When you look at the issues that this strike is | :46:47. | :46:48. | |
over, the work-to-rule, do you have sympathy with the side that? I did, | :46:49. | :46:54. | |
but sympathy has run out. That only addresses a small part of some of | :46:55. | :47:00. | |
the underlying issues that Southern rail have, you know, the faulty | :47:01. | :47:08. | |
trains, their information service is poor. There are a number of facts | :47:09. | :47:11. | |
that go towards the issues they are suffering. The main ones are that | :47:12. | :47:17. | |
their conductors and drivers are now disputing with them. But there are a | :47:18. | :47:24. | |
number of issues. They talked a lot of words, but we don't see much | :47:25. | :47:28. | |
coming from them in terms of action. This has been going on for a long | :47:29. | :47:33. | |
time now. Thank you all for joining us. If you are affected by any of | :47:34. | :47:42. | |
those issues, let us know your experiences. There are going to be | :47:43. | :47:45. | |
three days of strikes next week, so it will be an ongoing issue next | :47:46. | :47:50. | |
week and beyond. Six days of strikes are planned in January. Get in touch | :47:51. | :47:55. | |
and if you are happy for us to talk to you, let us know about that. | :47:56. | :48:01. | |
We heard earlier from an MP who spoke in the Commons yesterday about | :48:02. | :48:07. | |
the fact that she was at raped at the age of 14. After that, 37 years | :48:08. | :48:13. | |
of public silence ended yesterday for the independent MP for Edinburgh | :48:14. | :48:16. | |
West, Michelle Thompson, when she stood in front of colleagues in the | :48:17. | :48:19. | |
House of Commons and described the night when she was raped as a | :48:20. | :48:20. | |
14-year-old girl. Speaking to me a little earlier, | :48:21. | :48:23. | |
Michelle said it was still far too hard for victims of sexual violence | :48:24. | :48:26. | |
to come forward. The fact that I was able to talk | :48:27. | :48:33. | |
about that, obviously I've taken the time to give the right | :48:34. | :48:38. | |
information to my own daughter to keep her safe | :48:39. | :48:41. | |
and we have a close relationship. But I think we as a society | :48:42. | :48:46. | |
are light years away from where we should be | :48:47. | :48:53. | |
about keeping young children, The statistics are huge | :48:54. | :48:55. | |
about what many women, who incidentally won't be able | :48:56. | :49:01. | |
to speak out, are subjected I think we've got so | :49:02. | :49:04. | |
much further to go. And some of the language | :49:05. | :49:12. | |
I was using, I almost I have heard some men use | :49:13. | :49:21. | |
the kind of language... "Well, she must have | :49:22. | :49:26. | |
been asking for it". I have heard men say that | :49:27. | :49:31. | |
in the last couple of years, For me, it's about changing | :49:32. | :49:34. | |
society so that it becomes Yes, we will take steps over people | :49:35. | :49:43. | |
who have been involved in sexual abuse of children, | :49:44. | :49:52. | |
but we have to stop it happening in the first place, and I think | :49:53. | :49:55. | |
we've got some way to go. When you talk about change, | :49:56. | :50:02. | |
I presume you're talking about changing society, having more | :50:03. | :50:04. | |
transparency, more openness. You're in a position | :50:05. | :50:06. | |
to campaign on that platform. Do you see aspects of the law | :50:07. | :50:15. | |
that you would like to To be honest, the law is clear | :50:16. | :50:18. | |
about what is right and wrong. The difficulty is not with the law, | :50:19. | :50:25. | |
the difficulty is getting We know the reporting rates | :50:26. | :50:28. | |
for rape are very low. We can only guess, if people | :50:29. | :50:35. | |
don't tell us about it. We know conviction rates | :50:36. | :50:43. | |
are also very low. In a matter of law, it is vital | :50:44. | :50:50. | |
that somebody's given the premise of innocence | :50:51. | :50:57. | |
until being proven guilty. But we still have some | :50:58. | :51:02. | |
way to go in that. All the agencies understand, | :51:03. | :51:05. | |
but I don't think it is a matter of law, it's about how we can | :51:06. | :51:12. | |
go forward and build of this happens, and if it | :51:13. | :51:15. | |
does happen, it is dealt and a prosecution and | :51:16. | :51:19. | |
conviction can occur. We saw John Bercow moved to tears | :51:20. | :51:25. | |
when he heard you speak. MPs have been tweeting | :51:26. | :51:30. | |
about what you said, describing yourself | :51:31. | :51:32. | |
as a survivor, not a victim. Another MP saying deeply inspiring | :51:33. | :51:38. | |
speech about her ordeal at 14. How did people react | :51:39. | :51:49. | |
around you yesterday? The whole response has been | :51:50. | :51:54. | |
completely humbling. When I was giving my speech, | :51:55. | :51:58. | |
I was not really giving I was very much wrapped up | :51:59. | :52:01. | |
in the story I was trying to relay. I did not see the Speaker | :52:02. | :52:11. | |
until after I had finished. I would like to give my thanks | :52:12. | :52:25. | |
for the support I have received. It is also people in | :52:26. | :52:34. | |
the wider community, I had huge amounts of | :52:35. | :52:36. | |
e-mails and messages. But one very important | :52:37. | :52:38. | |
thing I would stress to bring the issue and put it | :52:39. | :52:47. | |
squarely on the table, and offer a personal perspective, | :52:48. | :52:51. | |
so people understood how so that that could try to feed | :52:52. | :52:53. | |
into driving change. Thank you to everybody | :52:54. | :52:57. | |
who got in touch. But what we really want to happen | :52:58. | :53:01. | |
is that it gives more focus. We can try and help other | :53:02. | :53:04. | |
women who I know will be That is the important | :53:05. | :53:07. | |
thing about this. Of course, Michelle Thomson does | :53:08. | :53:18. | |
have a right to anonymity, but she waved that right in talking to us. | :53:19. | :53:23. | |
If you have been affected by any of the issues we have been talking | :53:24. | :53:26. | |
about, you can find a list of helplines at the BBC action line. | :53:27. | :53:31. | |
Taylor Swift and Zayn Malik have just dropped a big surprise to music | :53:32. | :53:34. | |
fans by announcing they've got together on a new song | :53:35. | :53:37. | |
for the soundtrack to the upcoming film Fifty Shades Darker. | :53:38. | :53:43. | |
I Don't Wanna Live Forever unexpectedly appeared in the US | :53:44. | :53:45. | |
iTunes Store just before midnight Friday US eastern time. | :53:46. | :53:47. | |
And it's sent social media into a spin. | :53:48. | :53:50. | |
Taylor herself gave fans a taste of the new collaboration | :53:51. | :53:52. | |
# Just lost the love of my life. # Baby, baby, I feel crazy. | :53:53. | :54:13. | |
# Up all night, all-night. # I gave you something, but you gave | :54:14. | :54:18. | |
me nothing. # What is happening? | :54:19. | :54:21. | |
# I don't want to live for ever #. Let's get the lowdown | :54:22. | :54:27. | |
on this new collaboration. Alicia Adejobi is the senior | :54:28. | :54:30. | |
entertainment reporter for International Business Times | :54:31. | :54:31. | |
just us via webcam. Well, they know how to play their | :54:32. | :54:41. | |
fans and get media attention, don't they? They definitely do. It came as | :54:42. | :54:47. | |
a huge surprise to us here at the International business Times. As far | :54:48. | :54:51. | |
as we know, Taylor and Zayn Malik have never worked together in music | :54:52. | :54:54. | |
before and we have never seen them hang out together, so it came as a | :54:55. | :54:59. | |
surprise and fans are loving it. As far as we know, the connection seems | :55:00. | :55:06. | |
to be Suzy Habib, who is best friends with Taylor Swift and is | :55:07. | :55:11. | |
currently Zayn Malik. So maybe not such an unexpected collaboration. | :55:12. | :55:21. | |
Maybe not now, but previously, Zayn was obviously a member of One | :55:22. | :55:25. | |
Direction and Taylor was rumoured to be dating Harry Styles, so it is a | :55:26. | :55:28. | |
big surprise that she has aligned herself with another One Direction | :55:29. | :55:34. | |
star. ITunes describe it as two of pop's brightest stars teaming up for | :55:35. | :55:43. | |
a sure-fire hit. It is already a hit. It has reached number one on | :55:44. | :55:49. | |
the iTunes chart and fans have given it prose. Taylor Swift sounds | :55:50. | :55:52. | |
amazing and Zayn sounds good as well. When you have 82.5 million | :55:53. | :55:59. | |
followers on Twitter, as Taylor Swift has, and you put something out | :56:00. | :56:03. | |
that you are doing on your Twitter feed, you are inevitably going to go | :56:04. | :56:07. | |
into the stratosphere with it pretty quickly. Definitely, and Taylor | :56:08. | :56:12. | |
Swift is one of the biggest stars in the world, so anything she does | :56:13. | :56:15. | |
pretty much turns to gold. And Zayn Malik is at the top of his game at | :56:16. | :56:19. | |
the moment as well, so it is a match made in pop heaven. Is this going to | :56:20. | :56:26. | |
be a new way... We are seeing all the time has liberties communicate | :56:27. | :56:31. | |
with their fans directly via Twitter. Is this the way it is going | :56:32. | :56:34. | |
to be when they have these huge followings, as it cuts through | :56:35. | :56:38. | |
everything else? It definitely does. It is a way of giving back to their | :56:39. | :56:43. | |
fans directly, and it cuts out the middleman. It is easier for them to | :56:44. | :56:47. | |
do it themselves. Like you say, when you have a reach as big as Taylor | :56:48. | :56:51. | |
Swift of 80 million plus followers, it makes sense to premiere your | :56:52. | :56:54. | |
music through that channel. And even though she has that many followers, | :56:55. | :56:58. | |
I guess when you are following her and you get a tweet from her, it | :56:59. | :57:04. | |
feels like a personal connection. Definitely. Taylor has so many fans | :57:05. | :57:08. | |
and she is known for having a close relationship with her fans. She | :57:09. | :57:12. | |
often invites them to her house when she is promoting something. So there | :57:13. | :57:15. | |
is definitely a good connection there. What do you think of the | :57:16. | :57:21. | |
song? On the first listen, I was a bit unsure, but now it has grown on | :57:22. | :57:25. | |
me. It is definitely going to be a grower for a lot of people and it is | :57:26. | :57:32. | |
definitely going to be a hit. Who do you think has influenced who more in | :57:33. | :57:36. | |
it? From the sounds of it, it sounds as though Zayn has tailored himself | :57:37. | :57:44. | |
more to Taylor Swift. His voice sounds higher and I think it is | :57:45. | :57:48. | |
something Taylor Swift would have released, not so much Zayn. So he | :57:49. | :57:52. | |
has probably taken her lead on this. Thank you very much for joining us. | :57:53. | :58:01. | |
A couple of quick comments on the Southern rail issues we were talking | :58:02. | :58:06. | |
about earlier. Julia says, I am 62 and I have Parkinson's and I have no | :58:07. | :58:09. | |
choice but to sit on the luggage rack whilst travelling to Brighton. | :58:10. | :58:13. | |
And another tweet says, I am a mother and commute to London for | :58:14. | :58:18. | |
work. I have to pay so much in extra charges for childcare and also | :58:19. | :58:23. | |
losing quality time. They are going to have three days of strikes on | :58:24. | :58:26. | |
Southern rail next week. We will have full coverage. | :58:27. | :58:27. | |
I went on television in the January of 1975. | :58:28. | :58:34. | |
Welcome to Comic Relief! CHEERING | :58:35. | :58:41. |