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Hello it's Monday, it's 9 o'clock, I'm Victoria Derbyshire,

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This morning, women who've been refused a life extending breast

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cancer drug called Kadcyla tell us what it means to them.

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It's the fact you know the drug is there and is good. I think if you

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knew it never existed, I wouldn't have the hope of being able to use

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it. The only time I feel really upset is when I think about what I

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won't see, the events in my daughter's lives that I won't be

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around for and when they would have liked to have had me around. I've

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seen my youngest start school, seen them go to brownies and seen them

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achieve things that I didn't think I would be here to see. You can't put

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a price on that. We'll hear from the people behind

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that decision at 9.15. Really keen to hear

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from you this morning. "It isn't the care

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that people deserve". How two relatives have described

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their experience of the NHS. Rose's son was treated

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on this makeshift bed. And Graham's dad who has

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Alzheimers was left for 36 The nurses were fantastic,

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brilliant. But I would say the main adjective I would use is worrying.

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You can't be treated with dignity and privacy in a corridor. That's

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the absolute reality. To suggest this is temporary is not true.

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We'll bring you their full story before 10.

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And, when one of the chief architects of Brexit met

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I thought the UK was so smart in getting out and you were there and

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you guys wrote it on the front-page. Yes. Trump said that Brexit was

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going to happen. Yes. Right. And it happened. Yes. That was when it was

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going to lose easily, everybody thought I was crazy, Obama said we'd

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go to the back of the line. The front of the queue? I think you are

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doing great. Hello, welcome to the programme,

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we're live until 11. Throughout the programme we'll bring

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you the latest breaking news Football coach Barry Bennell who's

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been charged with eight child sex offences appears in court

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later this morning. And as always we're really

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keen to hear from you. A little later we'll hear how half

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of working fathers apparently say they'd like a less stressful job

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so they can spend more time Get in touch, use the

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hashtag Victoria Live. If you text, you will be charged

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at the standard network rate. Donald Trump has promised a trade

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deal between Britain and the United States will be

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a priority when he takes He was speaking to the former

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justice secretary and prominent Brexit campaigner Michael Gove

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for The Times in his first British interview since becoming

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US President-elect. Here's our political

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correspondent, Vicky Young. Theresa May is about to tell us more

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about how she thinks the UK can prosper outside

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of the European Union. Her critics say the economy

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will suffer if Britain leaves the single market and is no longer

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able to trade freely with the EU. But the President-elect Donald Trump

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says he will offer Britain a quick and fair trade deal with America

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within weeks of taking office. And he contrasted his approach

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to President Obama's. I thought the UK were so smart

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in getting out and you were there and you guys wrote it and put it

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in the front page, Trumps said that Brexit is going

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to happen and it happened. That was when I was

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going to lose easily. Obama said they are going

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to the back of the line, meaning if it does happen

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and he had to retract. In other words, we're

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at the front of the queue? Mr Trump said his team will work

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very hard to get a trade deal done quickly and done properly and it

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will be good for both sides. He also predicted that other

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countries would leave to the EU, claiming it had been deeply damaged

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by the migration crisis. Countries want their own identity

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and the UK wanted its own identity. But I do believe this,

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if they had not been forced to take in all of the refugees,

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so many with all the problems that entails I think

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you would not have a Brexit. Mr Trumps' offer of a rapid

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trade deal is a boost to the Prime Minister who insists

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Britain remains open for business. The President-elect said the two

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leaders will meet right Let's chat to our political

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guru Norman Smith. This is great news for Theresa May

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isn't it? Yes. If you are going into negotiations, then boy oh boy, you

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want the most powerful man in the world on your side and that seems to

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be where the Donald is. He's signalling he's pro-Brexit, Brough

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Britain and progiving us a fast trade deal. He says he thinks it's

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good for us, he thinks the economy will grow and he shares the

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sentiments around Brexit. He is scathing about the EU and how

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bureaucratic it is. He cites an example where he tried to build

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property in Ireland but gave up because of EU regulations. He says

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the refugee crisis and immigration has fuelled this desire for national

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identity. By and large, this will be music to the ears of the Brexiteers,

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certainly was to Boris Johnson when arriving in Brussels this morning.

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Have a look. I think it's very good news that the United States of

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America wants to do a good free trade deal with us and wants to do

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it very fast and it's great to hear that from President Elect Donald

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Trump. Clearly it will have to be a deal very much in the interests of

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both sides but I've no doubt that it will be. Thank you. However a dose

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of cold water is nevertheless required, because although Mr Trump

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may promise a fast trade deal, we have to be honest, this is a new

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President, he has lots of other things to deal with. Is he really

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going to focus on a trade deal with little old Britain? It won't be top

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of his list of priorities. Trade deals with ferociously complex,

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added to which, we don't really have any trade negotiators, or not many,

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because by and large, we have relied on the EU to do our negotiating. So

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getting a good deal with America may be extraordinarily difficult and

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yes, that may take time, even though the Donald says he wants to do it

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quickly. Lastly, a bit of reality, if you look at the pound today,

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still being hit hard, it hit a three-month low against the dollar

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and a two-month low against the euro ahead of the crucial speech from

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Theresa May tomorrow amid talk of how she's going to push for what

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many categorise as a hard Brexit. Thank you.

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Joanna is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary

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The inquests into the deaths of 30 British holidaymakers killed

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in a terror attack in Tunisia are due to get

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38 people were killed by a gunman who targeted a beach near the town

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Women with terminal cancer, who were expecting to be able

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to take a life-extending drug to give them an extra 6 months life,

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have been telling this programme how they'll no longer get it.

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Kadcyla costs around 90 thousand pounds a year.

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Other life extending life drugs are usually

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NICE, the organisation which decides which drugs and treatments

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are available on the NHS in England and Wales, has ruled it

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should no longer be made available for routine use.

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One woman, Bonnie Fox, has told us she is considering trying to raise

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Taking Kadcyla away, there's nothing left for me. If I'm told the drugs

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are not working, literally the next day I'm going to need the new drug.

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If that's not there for me, what else do I do? I have to have a drug

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to stay alive so I need to find a way claysically. -- basically.

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The former Crewe Alexandra coach, Barry Bennell, is due to appear

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in court this morning charged with eight child sex offences.

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The former coach appeared via videolink at South Cheshire

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Magistrates' Court last month and was remanded in custody.

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All of the offences are alleged to have happened between 1981

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and 1985 when the alleged victim was under the age of 15.

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A Turkish cargo plane has crashed in Kyrgyzstan

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The Boeing 747, which was en route from Hong Kong,

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crashed into houses near Manas airport in the Kyrgyz

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Rescue workers say the dead included all members of the crew,

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Visibility was poor because of thick fog at the time, but the cause

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of the crash has not yet been confirmed.

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The funeral will be held today for two young cousins who died

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after being hit by a car on New Year's Eve in Oldham.

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12 Year old Helena Kot-larova and Zaneta Kro-kova who was 11,

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were holding hands as they crossed the road, when they were

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Four men have since been charged in relation to their deaths.

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Streets will close later today, for the funeral cortege

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Every picture they're on they're together. They used to go out

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together, everything. They were like soul mates and they even passed away

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together. The world's eight richest

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individuals, all men, have as much wealth as the 3.6 billion people

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who make up the poorest half The charity is calling for action

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to address what it's called a "warped" global economy as it's

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revealed that there is a much wider gap in the distribution of wealth

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than previously acknowledged. Critics have called the claims

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misleading, saying the welfare of the poor is improving every

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year. That's a summary of the latest

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BBC News, more at 9.30. Thanks for your messages on cancer

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treatment. One viewer says I've had the drug and it's given me extra

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time with my family definitely. Roy says it's about time the NHS used

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its vast spending power to force drug companies to give it better

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deals and Jerome says many treatments aren't available on the

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NHS, picking one out of context is unhelpful. Our film on Kadcyla in

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the next few minutes. Do get in touch with us

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throughout the morning - use the hashtag Victoria Live

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and If you text, you will be charged Andy Murray has been in action

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at the Australian Open. Yes, he is through to the second

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round. Had to battle though. It wasn't easy for him. He was playing

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Ukraine's Marchenko. Murray's serve wasn't as strong as it could have

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been and he struggled to find rhythm. Almost three hours on court

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in the Melbourne sunshine may have used up perhaps a bit more energy

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than he wanted. The world number one will now face Rublev of Russia.

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Better news for Dan Evans, he beat his opponent of Argentina. That is

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his first win in the Aussie Open. A good day on the whole. The women get

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in action tomorrow. It was Merseyside v Manchester

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in the title race yesterday, but surely Chelsea were

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the real winners? Chelsea ten points ahead. They

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haven't really blinked in this title race so far have they? Everton

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thrashed Manchester City. That was 4-0. Liverpool and Manchester played

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out a 1-1 draw. United boss Mourinho criticising Liverpool's defensive

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style. I should tell you though, brilliant match for Everton, 4-0

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winners they run out. Some great goals and what a moment for the

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debutant Lookman over from Charlton and scored in injury time to make it

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4-0. Brilliant win for them and Guardiola's said of that loss to

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Everton that they are out of the Premier League title race. They are

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ten points I should say behind and it's not looking good for them.

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And Premier League clubs have come in for more criticism

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Yes. They've been accused of prioritising the finances over

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improving disabled access to their stadiums and that's according to a

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result by the Culture, Media and Sport Committee. In 2015, the

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Premier League promised to improve stadium facilities for the fans by

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August of this year but several clubs, including Watford, Chelsea

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and Liverpool, are expected to miss the deadline. A statement by the

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Premier League says they are working hard to enhance disabled fan access

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and will report on each club's progress at the end of the month.

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More to come on that in the coming weeks. Thank you very much, Jess.

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Without this drug I won't see my child go to school or get married -

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the words of some women with terminal cancer, who have been

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told they will no longer have access to a life-extending drug

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Kadcyla is the most expensive cancer drug ever -

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Because of that cost, Nice, the body in charge

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of the NHS's purse strings, has decided that it should no

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longer be made available for routine use on the NHS.

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The maximum they usually spend on drugs which extend

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life is normally between ?20-30,000 per year.

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Women already on the drug will continue to receive it,

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but those who were told by medical staff that they should

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Our reporter John Owen has been to meet some of them.

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It's so frustrating, it's so upsetting, it's just...

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I think it's the fact that you know that drug is there,

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I think if it had never existed then I wouldn't be,

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I wouldn't have this hope of being able to use it.

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The only time that I feel really upset is when I think

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about what I won't see, the events in my daughters' lives

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that I won't be around for, and when they would have liked

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It's been called revolutionary and a wonder drug, but NHS patients

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who are expecting to receive the breast cancer treatment Kadcyla

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now face being told that it will be unavailable to them.

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The amount of good quality time that I thought that I would have

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and my family expected to have with me has effectively

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Recently, NICE, the body in charge of the NHS' purse strings,

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have decided that the treatment should not be made available

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At an estimated ?90,000 a year, it was considered to be just too

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expensive, far beyond NICE's usual maximum threshold of 20 to ?30,000

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At some point, there comes a limit to what the NHS can pay.

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The industry spends over $100 billion a year

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And yet it's a drug that's been clinically proven to significantly

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extend the lives of patients suffering from advanced breast

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cancer by an average of six months, with fewer side effects

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In advanced breast cancer, there are very few drugs that

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If I hadn't had access to Kadcyla, I probably wouldn't be here.

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But on the question of whether the NHS can afford it,

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We can't simply say, we will pay whatever price

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There are so many countries that are making this drug available,

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we think that there must be a way to make sure that it is

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It seems to be playing chicken, in some ways,

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NICE say the decision isn't yet final.

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It's hoping the drug company will bring down the price.

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But if that doesn't happen, patients face not having access

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In my head, I've thought about how long I can last on each drug,

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I've got kind of a rough, I guess, timescale laid out.

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"If I have this drug and then I can have this drug

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for a couple of years, then maybe this drug..."

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You bank on those years, they are so precious to you,

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it's so important that you can squeeze as much time

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as possible out of the drugs, and to have that suddenly taken

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away, it just feels so cruel, really.

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So it was explained to you presumably by your oncologist

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that these drugs only work for a certain amount of time,

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and then what did she say to you about what would happen

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She said to me that I could expect about two years,

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give or take, of life, basically, and that was factoring

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in the drug that would work once the Herceptin and the pertuzumab

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stopped working, which was going to be Kadcyla.

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And at the time she said, "Well, if Kadcyla were ever

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going to be withdrawn, people would be chaining

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themselves to railings, it's such a wonder drug,

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and it's so effective," and it was unthinkable that it

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In 2010, the coalition Government announced the Cancer Drugs Fund

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to give patients access to the most advanced cancer treatments,

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Kadcyla was one of them, and since then it's become

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indispensable for doctors in treating a particularly

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aggressive form of breast cancer known as HER2 that affects up to 25%

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Kadcyla is really a revolutionary drug, and it's like nothing

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that we've had before in breast cancer treatment.

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And it works a little bit like a heat-seeking missile

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in the sense that the antibody focuses in on the HER2 cancer cells

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and it takes the drug to them and releases

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The Cancer Drugs Fund overspent, and now NICE is looking again

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at all of the treatments it made available.

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In the case of Kadcyla, NICE has made an initial decision

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that the treatment should not be made available for routine use

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by the NHS, ahead of a final decision to be taken in March.

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Janine was one of the first women in the UK to use Kadcyla,

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whilst the drug was still in its trial phase.

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I was diagnosed in 2010 with primary breast cancer.

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The following year, in 2011, I was told that my cancer had come

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back and was spreading around my body, and I was

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diagnosed with incurable secondary breast cancer.

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I was just 32, I'd just had a baby, she was eight months old,

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and I also had a three-year-old, so my family was just beginning,

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I was fortunate that I had quite a few options back in 2011 and went

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Tell me about what it meant for your treatment.

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What it meant for me was quality of life,

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and there's a lot of chemotherapies, a lot of drugs that don't give

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you that quality of life, so your hair would fall out,

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you would feel physically sick, you might have

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diarrhoea or constipation, and all of the other

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unpleasant side-effects that chemotherapy can bring.

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How do you feel about other women who are in precisely that position

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that you were in a few years ago who also have young

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children and will not have access to Kadcyla,

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It breaks my heart to know that, with this drug, it could mean

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that they will see their children go to school, that they will make

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I've seen my youngest start school whilst I was on Kadcyla.

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I've seen them go to Brownies, I've seen them achieve things that

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I really didn't think that I'd be here to see, and you can't

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My name's Gill Smith and I have stage four breast cancer.

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It had already metastasised at the time it was discovered

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to my liver, my bones, my lungs and my lymph nodes,

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which means that it's stage four and inoperable and incurable.

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The two drugs that I'm on, still on, are Herceptin and pertuzumab.

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And they are effective for about 18 months,

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but they had to be kicked off with chemotherapy.

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And what was that like, being on chemotherapy?

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And losing my hair after two weeks was just the least part of it,

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So you'd been advised that Kadcyla would be available

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for you when you needed it, and it now looks as if

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Absolutely right, so that's devastating because it means

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that the amount of good quality time that I thought that I would have

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and my family expected to have with me has effectively been cut

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It's pretty grim being told that you only probably

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have about two years, give or take, to live,

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and then the first eight months of that have been severely

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compromised by the chemotherapy, and now, if I don't have Kadcyla

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and the Herceptin and pertuzumab stop working, chances are that means

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that this was my last Christmas, and that's absolutely devastating.

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My daughter keeps saying how unfair she thinks it is, and it does,

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it does feel rather like that, because it was such

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a fantastic drug, and having cancer is hard enough but the drugs that

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are available have improved so hugely that it's quite possible

:23:36.:23:40.

to live with cancer rather than feel that you are dying from cancer,

:23:41.:23:45.

so you can have a very good quality of life for quite a long time.

:23:46.:23:50.

And to have half of that taken away would be awful.

:23:51.:23:56.

My oncologist now says that she is seeing about nine months

:23:57.:23:59.

of effectiveness of Kadcyla, really good quality of life

:24:00.:24:05.

without the side-effects, and although that might not sound

:24:06.:24:08.

like very long, if you've only got two years, nine months

:24:09.:24:13.

it's a significant part of that, and it's hugely important.

:24:14.:24:17.

My older daughter, she's 25, and I probably won't

:24:18.:24:22.

My younger daughter still lives at home with us, and she's just

:24:23.:24:32.

beginning to get established in life, and that's what I worry

:24:33.:24:35.

about most, really, how she'll manage without me.

:24:36.:24:47.

Gill is not the only patient affected by Nice's decision.

:24:48.:24:55.

My name's Bonnie Fox, I was diagnosed with both primary

:24:56.:24:58.

and secondary breast cancer when I was 37, when my little boy

:24:59.:25:01.

It makes me feel worried, it makes me feel angry and frustrated,

:25:02.:25:10.

angry with the drugs company and with the NHS that they haven't

:25:11.:25:13.

been able to find a way through to agree a way forward,

:25:14.:25:16.

It's just adding a huge amount of stress.

:25:17.:25:20.

My life is, it's already pretty stressful, I've got this

:25:21.:25:23.

enormous black cloud, I think, hanging over me,

:25:24.:25:27.

that I try to push away as best I can but it's always there,

:25:28.:25:31.

and this is just additional worry, really, additional anxiety.

:25:32.:25:33.

After speaking with these patients, I ask Carole Longson from Nice how

:25:34.:25:53.

After speaking with these patients, I ask Carole Longson from NICE how

:25:54.:25:56.

they can justify their decision to deprive these women

:25:57.:25:58.

Well, we know how important it is for people with breast cancer

:25:59.:26:03.

that they have access to life-extending treatments,

:26:04.:26:05.

but the reality is the cost of this drug, the price of this drug is too

:26:06.:26:09.

high relative to those benefits for it to be

:26:10.:26:11.

The drug company has offered a discount, but even with that

:26:12.:26:16.

discount it's still far beyond the range that we would

:26:17.:26:18.

This drug was available through a mechanism called

:26:19.:26:22.

And it seems that a lot of patients thought that,

:26:23.:26:26.

because it was available then, it would be available in the future

:26:27.:26:29.

Doesn't it seem desperately unfair that it may not be

:26:30.:26:34.

NICE needed to take another look at this drug.

:26:35.:26:42.

It has been on the Cancer Drugs Fund, as you said,

:26:43.:26:45.

for a number of years, but now we're talking

:26:46.:26:47.

about routine use in the NHS, and for that to happen we need

:26:48.:26:50.

to strike a balance between the use of money, the use of resources

:26:51.:26:54.

for this particular drug, for these particular patients,

:26:55.:26:57.

compared to what else you can do with that money.

:26:58.:27:00.

We completely understand that that means that,

:27:01.:27:02.

for those people that are already taking this drug and for those

:27:03.:27:05.

patients who are in a position where they might wish to have this

:27:06.:27:08.

drug, they might need that drug, that's a very, very

:27:09.:27:11.

What do you say to those people who say this is so immensely

:27:12.:27:26.

We live in a country with a National Health Service,

:27:27.:27:31.

a way should be found to afford these drugs?

:27:32.:27:33.

In order to extend the, "Well, let's make available everything

:27:34.:27:36.

for anybody at any cost," that leaves the NHS in a very

:27:37.:27:38.

difficult position, given that any system only has finite resources.

:27:39.:27:45.

Roche, the pharmaceutical company that makes Kadcyla,

:27:46.:27:48.

declined to be interviewed for this film, but Richard Torbett

:27:49.:27:51.

speaks on behalf of the pharmaceutical industry.

:27:52.:27:53.

What kind of responsibility do pharmaceutical companies have to

:27:54.:27:56.

ensure that new cancer medicines are priced at an affordable level

:27:57.:27:59.

so that they can be made available on the NHS?

:28:00.:28:05.

I think it's absolutely clear that pharmaceutical companies

:28:06.:28:09.

have a strong responsibility to price responsibly,

:28:10.:28:12.

and to work with the NHS to make sure that the medicines represent

:28:13.:28:15.

Because, ultimately, pharmaceutical companies are for

:28:16.:28:23.

profit, they're interested in making profits, and I think

:28:24.:28:25.

there's a suspicion that these drugs are being priced extravagantly

:28:26.:28:30.

and that companies are putting profits before ensuring

:28:31.:28:32.

that these drugs are available to the patients that need them.

:28:33.:28:35.

Well, the worst possible outcome for a pharmaceutical company

:28:36.:28:37.

is to have spent all this time and all this money producing

:28:38.:28:40.

a medicine and for it not to reach a patient,

:28:41.:28:42.

so it's absolutely clear that all pharmaceutical companies

:28:43.:28:47.

are absolutely focused on making sure that the patients get medicines

:28:48.:28:50.

The industry spends over $100 billion a year in research

:28:51.:28:58.

and development, much of that is on medicines that

:28:59.:29:01.

never reach the patient because they fail in the clinic,

:29:02.:29:05.

so obviously there's a limited period of time where prices need

:29:06.:29:08.

to be at a level to keep that research effort going.

:29:09.:29:17.

Although nobody disputes that the NHS needs to

:29:18.:29:19.

manage finite resources as fairly as possible,

:29:20.:29:20.

for some it will nonetheless seem cruel that a drug with

:29:21.:29:23.

the power to extend life will no longer be accessible to those

:29:24.:29:26.

For those patients who will soon need access to Kadcyla,

:29:27.:29:30.

Yeah, it just feels incredibly unfair when you're told that

:29:31.:29:35.

you have cancer at such a young age, you just think, "Why me?

:29:36.:29:39.

Why am I this one person that's, you know, somehow been singled out

:29:40.:29:42.

And then, yeah, to be told that a drug is taken away from you that

:29:43.:29:48.

could extend your life is just, yeah, it's unfairness on top

:29:49.:29:51.

You know, I'd like to suggest that people might reflect on,

:29:52.:29:58.

how would they feel if it was their wife, their mother,

:29:59.:30:00.

What would it mean to them to have another nine months of good-quality

:30:01.:30:06.

What would it mean, what could they do?

:30:07.:30:31.

As John said, we asked Roche for an interview

:30:32.:30:37.

They told us they have maintained an open dialogue

:30:38.:30:42.

with Nice and NHS England, and gave offered improved schemes

:30:43.:30:44.

and solutions to try to keep this medicine available to patients.

:30:45.:30:47.

Really keen to hear from you this morning -

:30:48.:30:49.

if you've been on Kadcyla or been promised it, and now won't get it,

:30:50.:30:52.

An anonymous texter said, I had a lump Equitable mist done last week,

:30:53.:31:05.

I had to wait two weeks to find out if it was cancer after the biopsy

:31:06.:31:09.

and I have to wait two more weeks for the results to see if more

:31:10.:31:12.

surgery is required. The stress of not knowing is unbelievable. Now,

:31:13.:31:16.

I've just heard that a breast cancer drug is being taken off the NHS. Do

:31:17.:31:20.

I need this extra stress at the moment? You wouldn't believe the

:31:21.:31:23.

thoughts that are going through my mind. This tweet from Ian, this is a

:31:24.:31:32.

disgrace, when are we going to help these women, rather than helping out

:31:33.:31:37.

other countries. Another texter, I'm incensed that the life-extending

:31:38.:31:43.

cancer drug is being withdrawn. Stop sending British taxpayers' billions

:31:44.:31:46.

abroad and invest the money here in the nice and social care. Thank you,

:31:47.:31:48.

keep those coming in. Later on in the programme, we'll

:31:49.:31:50.

speak to some of those affected, and from a body which represents

:31:51.:31:53.

the drugs industry. We'll hear from some of Donald

:31:54.:32:14.

Trump's supporters in Texas. Nearly half of working dads would like a

:32:15.:32:17.

less stressful job to spend more time with their kids. If you are a

:32:18.:32:21.

working father, how do you juggle a job and your children? Let me know,

:32:22.:32:25.

or have you given up work completely in order to achieve the right

:32:26.:32:27.

balance? Joanna is in the BBC

:32:28.:32:31.

Newsroom with a summary Donald Trump has promised a trade

:32:32.:32:34.

deal between Britain and the United States will be

:32:35.:32:38.

a priority when he takes He was speaking to the former

:32:39.:32:40.

justice secretary and prominent Brexit campaigner Michael Gove

:32:41.:32:44.

for The Times in his first British interview since becoming

:32:45.:32:47.

US president-elect. Mr Trump said he would ask his

:32:48.:32:48.

son-in-law Jared Kushner to negotiate a Middle East peace

:32:49.:32:52.

agreement and would seek a deal with He said it's good news for Theresa

:32:53.:33:01.

May. This is another card in the Prime Minister's hand, another arrow

:33:02.:33:06.

in her quiver, because the European Union until now has been assumed to

:33:07.:33:10.

have a better hand to play. But the Prime Minister, we now see, has

:33:11.:33:15.

actually cards in her hand, including... How do you think

:33:16.:33:21.

she's... I think she's getting a better deal. How do you think she's

:33:22.:33:25.

played her hand so far? She's done an company Blair job. -- she's done

:33:26.:33:30.

an exemplary job. The pound has fallen to a three

:33:31.:33:32.

month low against the dollar in early trading in Asia,

:33:33.:33:35.

because of speculation Some analysts predict Theresa May

:33:36.:33:37.

will use a major speech tomorrow to say she's prepared to pull out

:33:38.:33:41.

of the single market to have more Downing Street has described

:33:42.:33:45.

the reports as "speculation". The inquests into the deaths of 30

:33:46.:33:48.

British holidaymakers killed in a terror attack in Tunisia

:33:49.:33:50.

are due to get 38 people were killed by a gunman

:33:51.:33:53.

who targeted a beach near the town Organisations including

:33:54.:33:58.

the Metropolitan Police, the Foreign and Commonwealth Office

:33:59.:34:00.

and the owner of tour operator Women with terminal cancer,

:34:01.:34:05.

who were expecting to be able to take a life-extending drug

:34:06.:34:10.

to give them an extra 6 months life, have been telling this programme how

:34:11.:34:15.

they'll no longer get it. NICE, the organisation which decides

:34:16.:34:18.

which drugs and treatments are available on the NHS in England

:34:19.:34:24.

and Wales, has ruled it should no longer be made

:34:25.:34:28.

available for routine use. The maximum they usually spend

:34:29.:34:31.

on drugs which extend life is normally between 20-30 thousand

:34:32.:34:33.

pounds per year. Barry Bennell appeared via video

:34:34.:34:50.

link at south Cheshire Magistrates Court last month and was remanded in

:34:51.:34:55.

custody. All of his offences are alleged to have happened between

:34:56.:34:59.

1981 and 1985 when the alleged victim was under the age of 15.

:35:00.:35:02.

He'll appear in court today. The funeral will be held today

:35:03.:35:13.

for two young cousins who died after being hit by a car

:35:14.:35:16.

on New Year's Eve in Oldham. 12 Year old Helena Kot-larova

:35:17.:35:19.

and Zaneta Kro-kova who was 11, were holding hands as they crossed

:35:20.:35:22.

the road, when they were Four men have since been charged

:35:23.:35:24.

in relation to their deaths. Streets will close later today,

:35:25.:35:28.

for the funeral cortege Every picture they're

:35:29.:35:30.

on they're together. They used to go out

:35:31.:35:33.

together, everything. They were like soul mates

:35:34.:35:35.

and they even passed away That's a summary of the latest

:35:36.:35:37.

BBC News, more at 9.30. Andy Murray has been in action

:35:38.:35:45.

at the Australian Open. Yes, he is through

:35:46.:35:53.

to the second round. Murray's serve wasn't

:35:54.:35:55.

as strong as it could have been and he struggled

:35:56.:36:03.

to find rhythm. It was Merseyside v Manchester

:36:04.:36:08.

in the title race yesterday, Premier League clubs are putting

:36:09.:36:31.

finance over needs of disabled fans. The Premier League says it's working

:36:32.:36:35.

hard on access. More on all of that just after 15. -- just A 10.

:36:36.:36:47.

A general election could be announced in Northern

:36:48.:36:49.

There was a big flaw. There was no limit to the rewards. The more heat

:36:50.:37:05.

people created from these boilers, the more they got paid. So some

:37:06.:37:12.

people started abusing the scheme, installing boilers if buildings that

:37:13.:37:15.

didn't need heating to cash in. It's thought this could cost the taxpayer

:37:16.:37:20.

nearly ?500 million. But why the crisis? The head of Northern

:37:21.:37:24.

Ireland's Government, Arlene Foster, was involved in the setting up of

:37:25.:37:28.

the heating scheme when she worked in the energy department. Will you

:37:29.:37:32.

be accepting Sinn Fein's terms of reference for an inquiry? No. Since

:37:33.:37:37.

the scandal broke, there have been calls for her to resign but she's

:37:38.:37:41.

refused. For my part I'm determined to do all I can to put right what

:37:42.:37:46.

went wrong, to find out through an investigation why things went wrong

:37:47.:37:49.

and seek to restore the credibility of Stormont in the eyes of the

:37:50.:37:51.

public. Northern Ireland is unusual -

:37:52.:38:03.

it's governed by two political parties, the DUP and Sinn Fein,

:38:04.:38:05.

and it has two leaders. They work together and share

:38:06.:38:08.

the decision-making. Last week, the other leader,

:38:09.:38:11.

Martin McGuinness from Sinn Fein, We in Sinn Fein will not

:38:12.:38:13.

tolerate the arrogance Because the two parties share power,

:38:14.:38:17.

if one leader goes, From this evening, it'll be down

:38:18.:38:21.

to the Northern Ireland Secretary, James Brokenshire,

:38:22.:38:27.

to call that election. He might try to hold off for a bit

:38:28.:38:29.

so more negotiations can take place, It means voters in Northern

:38:30.:38:33.

Ireland could be heading Now, while this was triggered

:38:34.:38:36.

by the heating scandal, Sinn Fein say their rift

:38:37.:38:40.

with the Democratic Unionist Party Has their attempted

:38:41.:38:42.

power-sharing come to an end? In Belfast is Northern Ireland

:38:43.:38:54.

historian Dr Margaret O'Callaghan, What do you think is going to happen

:38:55.:39:04.

today? In all likelihood we are heading to an election but I suppose

:39:05.:39:07.

we have until 5 o'clock, so in theory, there are a number of points

:39:08.:39:14.

during the day at which something could happen whereby Sinn Fein and

:39:15.:39:20.

the DUP put something together. At the moment, for example, the finance

:39:21.:39:27.

spokesperson is trying to put a deal together that will at least

:39:28.:39:30.

investigate this scandal. But there are a number of steps during the day

:39:31.:39:36.

but the way it looks at the moment, we are probably going for an

:39:37.:39:39.

election at 5 I think. There have been a fair few crises in

:39:40.:39:43.

Northern Ireland politics, where does this rate? Oh, this is pretty

:39:44.:39:51.

high, 9 out of 10. It's also very odd because it's come almost out of

:39:52.:39:55.

nowhere. As you know, the system we have here in Northern Ireland was

:39:56.:39:58.

set up under the Good Friday Agreement. It's mandatory coalition.

:39:59.:40:06.

All of the parties are in theory in Government but two of them have

:40:07.:40:09.

already withdrawn to form an opposition. So it's really the two

:40:10.:40:15.

hardline parties, Sinn Fein and the DUP, who've been in power. There's

:40:16.:40:20.

little love lost between them. They're seen as kind of carving

:40:21.:40:24.

things up between them, if you like. But they looked like they were doing

:40:25.:40:31.

reasonably well. But suddenly, this one issue, perhaps Arlene Foster's

:40:32.:40:35.

lack of experience, her unwillingness to stand aside for two

:40:36.:40:40.

or three weeks, all of these things together seem to have contributed to

:40:41.:40:44.

this crisis. It's also not helped by the fact

:40:45.:40:50.

that Martin McGuinness, the leading Sinn Fein politician, who's been

:40:51.:40:55.

Deputy First Minister with Paisley, with Peter Robinson and now with

:40:56.:41:00.

Arlene Foster, is very seriously ill. How are voters viewing all of

:41:01.:41:13.

this? Totally fed up. The only thing that might put pressure on Sinn Fein

:41:14.:41:16.

in particular today to pull back from the brink is the fact that the

:41:17.:41:22.

electorate really don't want an election. We've seen dropping voter

:41:23.:41:28.

participation and even if there is an election, it's pretty likely that

:41:29.:41:33.

we'll get the same result. So it's more public money, a huge kerfuffle,

:41:34.:41:39.

everything being, you know, pushed to the extremities. Also, the

:41:40.:41:45.

economy's bad here, the whole issue of Brexit affects this area given

:41:46.:41:52.

the likelihood of a border between the EU and the UK being actually on

:41:53.:41:58.

this island. So the voters do not want an election. No. From what you

:41:59.:42:04.

have said, Margaret, this element of power-sharing is dead, but

:42:05.:42:06.

power-sharing will continue when there is a new election? Well, one

:42:07.:42:12.

hopes so, but the point is, elections, I mean it's the two

:42:13.:42:20.

extreme parties on the unionist and nationalists side were primarily at

:42:21.:42:23.

issue here. They play against other parties. But the other issues have

:42:24.:42:30.

now come into play like dealing with the past, the status of the require

:42:31.:42:35.

language, respect for nationalism and once these issues come up, they

:42:36.:42:40.

polarise politics, they poison the well, they make it more and more

:42:41.:42:44.

difficult to get power-sharing up and running again. So it's a

:42:45.:42:50.

high-risk operation. It's dangerous. Has it been confirmed what Martin

:42:51.:42:55.

McGuinness's illness is? There are all kinds of press speculations.

:42:56.:42:59.

Some stories more reliable to others so I wouldn't really like to say

:43:00.:43:04.

because I'm not 100% sure but I think it's a serious health

:43:05.:43:06.

situation. Thank you very much for your time.

:43:07.:43:20.

Thank you for your comments on Kadcyla, the life-extending drug,

:43:21.:43:30.

given to women with incurable breast cancer. Claire says I've been on

:43:31.:43:34.

Kadcyla for two years, it's an amazing drug, I had to take a break

:43:35.:43:38.

from treatment to have surgery to my chest. My oncololgist and I are

:43:39.:43:42.

having to fight NHS England to go back on the drug, it's shocking.

:43:43.:43:46.

This tweet from Sue. It's difficult regarding the breast cancer drug, I

:43:47.:43:49.

feel for patients who talk about what they'll miss during the next

:43:50.:43:54.

six months, but where does the line get drawn? Roy says, I have terminal

:43:55.:43:58.

cancer myself and can't begin to believe how women with children are

:43:59.:44:01.

feeling when told they won't receive a drug because it's too expensive.

:44:02.:44:07.

Fiona says, I'm on Kadcyla and have been for 20 months, it's had an

:44:08.:44:16.

amazing impact, my lung tumours are stable and there is "no evidence of

:44:17.:44:22.

active disease now". Please stop saying Kadcyla extends life by six

:44:23.:44:28.

months, the average is months. It's six months extra when compared with

:44:29.:44:31.

another treatment which is not available on the NHS, so a totally

:44:32.:44:36.

spurious comparison. The quality of life is fantastic. I work and I'm a

:44:37.:44:41.

wife, daughter, sister, aunt step-mum and a friend. Sam says the

:44:42.:44:46.

NHS has effectively put a price on the women's heads and that is

:44:47.:44:51.

shameful. Your experiences, particularly if

:44:52.:44:54.

you have been on this drug, you have been promised this drug or you are a

:44:55.:44:58.

taxpayer and would willingly continue to pay for this drug or

:44:59.:45:02.

not. Do let me know. Get in touch in the usual ways. Later we'll hear

:45:03.:45:06.

from a representative from the drugs company industry. Still to come:

:45:07.:45:12.

Claims from Oxfam that the world's eight richest people collectively

:45:13.:45:16.

have as much wealth as the 3.6 billion people who make up the

:45:17.:45:20.

poorest half of the world. We'll examine the claims and see how true

:45:21.:45:22.

they are. Doctors are warning that some

:45:23.:45:27.

patients face "dangerous" delays in getting specialist treatment

:45:28.:45:31.

through their GP. Some UK hospitals are cancelling

:45:32.:45:35.

cancer operations due to a rise in pressure on the NHS

:45:36.:45:37.

and a shortage of beds. We know that nearly half

:45:38.:45:41.

of hospitals in England declared a major alert in the first week

:45:42.:45:44.

of January as they encountered A quarter of patients had to wait

:45:45.:45:46.

over four hours at A This follows on from claims

:45:47.:45:54.

earlier in the month from the British Red Cross

:45:55.:45:57.

that the NHS in England was facing We've been speaking to two people

:45:58.:46:00.

who've experienced shocking Rose Newman from Eastbourne,

:46:01.:46:03.

who says her one-year-old son had to wait on a make-shift bed of two

:46:04.:46:15.

chairs, almost four hours in A, after he was taken there

:46:16.:46:18.

with suspected meningitis. And in Birmingham Graeme Anderson

:46:19.:46:21.

said his dad who has Parkinson's and dementia had to wait around 36

:46:22.:46:23.

hours for a bed in a ward He was really, really hot, like,

:46:24.:46:27.

with a massive temperature, which is what we were

:46:28.:46:37.

worried about initially. And that's when the doctor

:46:38.:46:40.

noticed spots around his ankles which weren't

:46:41.:46:43.

going when you press to them. So he wasn't well at all but we were

:46:44.:46:47.

on the verge of thinking, is this something really,

:46:48.:46:50.

really serious or is this just a continuation

:46:51.:46:58.

of the tonsillitis that he had? But he had gone massively downhill,

:46:59.:47:00.

he was not in a good way at all. So you took into hospital,

:47:01.:47:04.

what was your experience? We got there just before eight

:47:05.:47:06.

o'clock and I think it was about 45 minutes for us to see

:47:07.:47:09.

the assessment nurse. And he did a really good

:47:10.:47:11.

job in trying to get us on to the children's ward,

:47:12.:47:14.

but because he was not under one, they would not take

:47:15.:47:18.

him because obviously And then later on we got

:47:19.:47:20.

put into like a side room and a nurse came

:47:21.:47:25.

in to try to get his temperature down, which was still really high

:47:26.:47:32.

and she said that a doctor would be along in a minute,

:47:33.:47:35.

she was going shift. And then we waited hours,

:47:36.:47:37.

I think we waited a total of four And obviously, there

:47:38.:47:40.

was no bed to put him in. Which is when you improvised

:47:41.:47:44.

and brought two chairs together so that Jack could lie

:47:45.:47:54.

across both of them? Initially he was sitting on our laps

:47:55.:47:56.

but we were told, we were trying to bring his temperature down

:47:57.:48:07.

and if he was sitting This was 11.30 at night

:48:08.:48:09.

and we wanted to sleep so we did not Luckily I had brought his duvet

:48:10.:48:25.

with me because we thought he would be staying overnight,

:48:26.:48:28.

that's what the doctor So we put the chairs together

:48:29.:48:31.

so that he could lie down. What did you think of the fact

:48:32.:48:34.

that there were no beds for him? Well, initially I did not think too

:48:35.:48:38.

much of it because I did not realise But a couple of nurses said to ask

:48:39.:48:42.

sorry you're having to wait a bed. And as it got on and he really

:48:43.:48:46.

needed to lie down and sleep, that's when I was really distressed

:48:47.:48:50.

because if we had not brought that duvet with us,

:48:51.:48:53.

I'm not sure what we would have done We were having to prop

:48:54.:48:56.

him up on our knee. But him not touching us so as not

:48:57.:48:58.

to take on our body heat. It was uncomfortable for him

:48:59.:49:01.

and distressing for us. Tell us what happened to your dad

:49:02.:49:03.

in the dad needed to going for a CT scan, so we went in on

:49:04.:49:08.

Monday afternoon and unfortunately they could not do the CT

:49:09.:49:11.

scan until Tuesday. But one of the complications

:49:12.:49:14.

with dad when he is like this, he has got Parkinson's

:49:15.:49:18.

and other complications, and is very So actually staying in A overnight

:49:19.:49:21.

was about the worst place that he could have been in terms of him

:49:22.:49:25.

being calm and settled. Because it's busy and people

:49:26.:49:28.

are in and out the whole time and in a different

:49:29.:49:30.

states of distress? And when we walked in,

:49:31.:49:32.

there were 15 people at least on They were the people who had been

:49:33.:49:36.

brought in from ambulances, All the way through the staff have

:49:37.:49:45.

been fantastic with my dad. But clearly they were running over

:49:46.:49:51.

capacity, and again, the problem, like your other guest said,

:49:52.:49:54.

was that they were just waiting for beds, the system was blocked up

:49:55.:49:57.

because they were waiting for beds In the end it was 36 hours

:49:58.:49:59.

before your dad got a bed and what state

:50:00.:50:03.

was he and by then? To be fair, they treated him

:50:04.:50:06.

medically and he got better in terms of the immediate

:50:07.:50:09.

problems that he had. The distressing thing for him

:50:10.:50:10.

was just that he was really confused and didn't know what was going on,

:50:11.:50:13.

and as his family, we were unsure about what the next steps

:50:14.:50:17.

would be, to be honest. Worcester Acute Hospitals told

:50:18.:50:21.

us, we can't comment They say, "We do accept

:50:22.:50:26.

that some patients spending longer than we would

:50:27.:50:32.

like in our A department. We apologise for this,

:50:33.:50:34.

we are experiencing pressures in all parts of the system

:50:35.:50:36.

and are working with partners to make sure that waits

:50:37.:50:39.

are kept to a minimum". And they are doing

:50:40.:50:41.

their best, I'm sure. However, the system

:50:42.:50:43.

is running overcapacity. They have got buzzers for patients

:50:44.:50:52.

lined up on the walls So it's clear that they

:50:53.:50:54.

are getting used to the fact that people will

:50:55.:50:58.

be seen in corridors. And again, the staff have been

:50:59.:51:00.

fantastic with my dad. But clearly, there

:51:01.:51:06.

isn't the capacity at the moment in Worcester

:51:07.:51:09.

to give equal the treatment that they deserve and

:51:10.:51:11.

that the staff would like to give Rose, in your case, the hospital

:51:12.:51:15.

in Hastings told us, Jack was assessed

:51:16.:51:41.

for his temperature, Due to the volume of other

:51:42.:51:50.

patients being seen - I mean, do you accept

:51:51.:51:55.

that it was just mad This was a Wednesday,

:51:56.:51:59.

it was not even a weekend. So it was way busier than

:52:00.:52:02.

what I thought it was going to be. What words would you use

:52:03.:52:14.

to describe your experience The nurses were fantastic,

:52:15.:52:16.

they were brilliant. But the main adjective I would use

:52:17.:52:19.

is worrying because it was a worry to find out from a doctor

:52:20.:52:22.

whether Jack's condition And if it had been serious

:52:23.:52:25.

and you had waited four Graeme, what words would you use

:52:26.:52:28.

to describe your dad's experience I think that the staff

:52:29.:52:32.

are doing their very best. It isn't the care

:52:33.:52:35.

that people deserve. You can't be treated with dignity

:52:36.:52:37.

and privacy if you're And to suggest this

:52:38.:52:42.

is temporary is not true. We went through A with dad

:52:43.:52:50.

in October and he waited overnight on a trolley in October,

:52:51.:52:53.

waiting for a bed. Undoubtedly we will probably

:52:54.:52:55.

end up in A again. Anyone can come and see what's going

:52:56.:52:59.

on if they want to come with me, but that's the reality of what's

:53:00.:53:03.

going on at the moment. Rose, your little boy's case

:53:04.:53:05.

was raised by Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn

:53:06.:53:07.

in Prime Minister's Questions last week - I want to ask you,

:53:08.:53:09.

which party do you trust most Well, I mean, based on my personal

:53:10.:53:12.

experience, like Jeremy Corbyn thinking it's important enough

:53:13.:53:20.

to raise in Prime Minister's Questions, my sister,

:53:21.:53:23.

who works for the NHS, And then he followed up with a phone

:53:24.:53:25.

call to me to see how Jack was, and to thank me

:53:26.:53:33.

for raising my story. And in contrast, Theresa May trying

:53:34.:53:36.

to say this is just a small number of incidences,

:53:37.:53:39.

which is not true at all, I'd say, you know, I trust

:53:40.:53:42.

Jeremy Corbyn in this situation. And obviously, for our audience,

:53:43.:53:47.

I need to ask you, are you a Labour I mean, as of this, yes, I will be

:53:48.:53:53.

a Labour supporter, I would say! What did Jeremy Corbyn say

:53:54.:53:58.

to you on the phone? When I picked it up,

:53:59.:54:00.

I thought it was the journalist from The Mirror, and he said,

:54:01.:54:07.

"Hello, it's Jeremy Corbyn". He just said thank you for raising

:54:08.:54:10.

awareness through my sister. And he said that he really

:54:11.:54:13.

appreciated us sharing the story and then he was asking about Jack

:54:14.:54:16.

and whether he had been back to nursery yet,

:54:17.:54:19.

whether he was well enough to do all the normal things

:54:20.:54:22.

he normally does. Over the weekend we were able

:54:23.:54:23.

to take him to his swimming lesson and things he has not been able

:54:24.:54:30.

to do for a couple of weeks. So he's definitely back

:54:31.:54:34.

to normal which is great. Thank you both very much,

:54:35.:54:36.

I really appreciate your time. An e-mail from Rob. He says he had

:54:37.:54:55.

to rush his two-year-old daughter to a French hospital by ambulance

:54:56.:54:59.

because she had a high fever. Rob said before I was allowed into the

:55:00.:55:05.

hospital, I paid the 440 euro ambulance bill. On departure I paid

:55:06.:55:11.

the 90 euro consultation charge. Because neither me or my extended

:55:12.:55:16.

family had not paid tax in France, I had to issue. I would be keen to now

:55:17.:55:24.

how many EU and non-EU members had treatment at the NHS this year? This

:55:25.:55:29.

was addressed maybe the poor women could be offered the cancer drug and

:55:30.:55:32.

a toddler wouldn't have to sleep on plastic chairs.

:55:33.:55:37.

Stewart says, "Whilst I know the NHS is under pressure, please remember

:55:38.:55:41.

it saves lives every day and it is important not to just report

:55:42.:55:47.

negative stories." Clare says, "Norfolk Hospital was brilliant when

:55:48.:55:52.

I needed a bed." Another viewer says, "The system is clogged up with

:55:53.:55:56.

nonemergency or alcohol and drug related problems." Keep those

:55:57.:56:00.

experiences coming. We will feed them into our conversation

:56:01.:56:04.

throughout the morning. Coming up to 10am, we will bring you

:56:05.:56:07.

latest news and sport. Now the weather. Is it milder or is it my

:56:08.:56:13.

imagination? Well, it is becoming milder. It is already milder. We

:56:14.:56:16.

have got a lot of cloud around today. I have got a treat for you. I

:56:17.:56:21.

have got a couple of Weather Watcher photos which I know you like. In

:56:22.:56:27.

north-west Wales, there is a lot of cloud around. Under the cloud, the

:56:28.:56:30.

temperatures are higher. Look at this... It's gorgeous. A Weather

:56:31.:56:38.

Watcher sent this in. There is cloud and breaks and that's reflected in

:56:39.:56:41.

the temperatures. So another treat for you. I'm pulling all the stops

:56:42.:56:47.

out today. These are the current temperatures in Dover.

:56:48.:56:51.

The same with Hull and London where we have got drizzle, but push

:56:52.:56:54.

further north and west, where we've got more cloud around, the

:56:55.:56:57.

temperature is that bit higher. So it is quite a cloudy start to the

:56:58.:57:04.

day rather like this more many of us. No snow, it is too mild and in

:57:05.:57:11.

fact, today, by day and by night too, the temperatures won't vary too

:57:12.:57:16.

much and that's quite nice actually. Turn the heating down a bit. Yeah,

:57:17.:57:21.

exactly. So what we're looking at today is a weather front that's

:57:22.:57:24.

draped across the central swathe of England. It moved further east

:57:25.:57:27.

taking rain with it. Most of the rain is light, but we are looking at

:57:28.:57:32.

the odd moderate burst. Later on, another weather front will come in

:57:33.:57:36.

across north-west Scotland slow deucing more rain. There is a the lo

:57:37.:57:39.

of cloud around. Here is what we've had this morning. So it is more

:57:40.:57:44.

nuisance rain. It is constant, persistent light and drizzly and it

:57:45.:57:47.

will in this way as we go through the morning, but there will be some

:57:48.:57:53.

sunshine. Somewhere in East Anglia, perhaps west Sussex towards Kent

:57:54.:57:56.

could see sunshine, but a lot of cloud out towards the west. Some

:57:57.:58:01.

breaks across Angus and Fife, but through the afternoon, we will see

:58:02.:58:04.

the next weather front coming our way. So it is quite a cloudy, but as

:58:05.:58:09.

Victoria said, mild picture that we're looking at today. There is

:58:10.:58:12.

hill fog around and where we have got the weather front we continue

:58:13.:58:15.

with the light and at times, patchy rain and drizzle. Further east, some

:58:16.:58:21.

breaks in the cloud. A little bit of sunshine. In the South East, it is

:58:22.:58:26.

only six Celsius. In the south-west, on the other side of the weather

:58:27.:58:29.

front which is a warm front, we are looking at highs of ten Celsius.

:58:30.:58:32.

Again, quite a bit of cloud around with one or two breaks as we have

:58:33.:58:36.

across Wales, but the emphasis really is on cloud. For Northern

:58:37.:58:41.

Ireland, you too have got a fairly cloudy day ahead and by the

:58:42.:58:44.

afternoon we will see the edge of the rain affecting Scotland and

:58:45.:58:47.

clipping north western parts of Northern Ireland. Now, through the

:58:48.:58:50.

evening and overnight, the rain will push south across Northern Ireland

:58:51.:58:53.

and parts of Scotland and into Northern England and North Wales.

:58:54.:58:56.

Elsewhere, the rain that we have will tend to fizzle and in the South

:58:57.:59:00.

East and East Anglia under clearer skies we are looking at a touch of

:59:01.:59:05.

frost and also patchy fog, but there shouldn't be problems with frost

:59:06.:59:08.

elsewhere, but we will have some hill fog around. Tomorrow, here is

:59:09.:59:13.

our weather front continuing its decent, weakening all the time

:59:14.:59:15.

across Northern England and into North Wales, you can see across the

:59:16.:59:19.

Midlands, we will see drizzly bits and pieces. The South East seeing

:59:20.:59:22.

the sunshine, but only four to six Celsius and parts of Eastern

:59:23.:59:25.

Scotland favoured for sunshine. It won't feel too bad. Aberdeen getting

:59:26.:59:31.

up to ten Celsius. As we move from Tuesday and into Wednesday, high

:59:32.:59:34.

pressure dominates itself across the UK. We've got a squeeze on the

:59:35.:59:40.

isobars in the north. We've got a weather front flirting with the far

:59:41.:59:44.

north of Scotland and at times it will introduce spots of rain.

:59:45.:59:48.

Another cloudy day, the best chance of seeing sunshine across Southern

:59:49.:59:51.

England and into the south-west, parts of the Midlands, but

:59:52.:59:55.

temperatures no great shakes. If you finally take a look at what's

:59:56.:59:58.

happening on Thursday, again there will be brighter skies, but there

:59:59.:00:01.

will be a fair bit of cloud around and that could produce just the odd

:00:02.:00:08.

shower, weather front not too far from the north and temperatures

:00:09.:00:10.

between seven and eight Celsius. Hello it's Monday 16th

:00:11.:00:14.

January, it's 10 o'clock, This morning, women who've been

:00:15.:00:17.

refused a life extending breast cancer drug called Kadcyla tell us

:00:18.:00:21.

what it means to them. It's the fact you know the drug is

:00:22.:00:29.

there and you know it's good. If it never existed, I wouldn't have this

:00:30.:00:32.

hope of being able to use it. The only time I feel really upset is

:00:33.:00:40.

when I think about what I won't see; the events in my daughters' lives

:00:41.:00:45.

that I won't be around for and when they would have liked to have had me

:00:46.:00:51.

around. I've seen my youngest start school while on Kadcyla, I've seen

:00:52.:00:56.

them go to brownies, achieve things that I really didn't think I would

:00:57.:01:00.

be here to see. You can't put a price on that.

:01:01.:01:11.

Thank you to those who've got in touch about this this morning. Keep

:01:12.:01:16.

sharing your experiences. And, when one of the chief

:01:17.:01:18.

architects of Brexit met President I thought the UK was so smart. You

:01:19.:01:33.

guys were there and put it in the front-page, Trump said Brexit was

:01:34.:01:36.

going to happen, right and it happened. That is when I was going

:01:37.:01:41.

to lose easily. Everyone thought I was crazy. Obama said they'll go to

:01:42.:01:45.

the back of the line, meaning if it does happen. He had to retract that.

:01:46.:01:48.

That was a bad statement. Now it's the front of the queue? You are

:01:49.:01:50.

doing great. all men, have as much wealth

:01:51.:01:52.

as the 3.6 billion people who make up the poorest half

:01:53.:01:59.

of the world's population. Good Morning, here's

:02:00.:02:10.

Joanna in the BBC Newsroom Donald Trump has promised a trade

:02:11.:02:12.

deal between Britain and the United States will be

:02:13.:02:16.

a priority when he takes He was speaking to the former

:02:17.:02:19.

justice secretary and prominent Brexit campaigner Michael Gove

:02:20.:02:22.

for The Times - in his first British interview since becoming

:02:23.:02:29.

US president-elect. Mr Gove says the president-elect's

:02:30.:02:31.

comments are good news This is another card in the Prime

:02:32.:02:42.

Minister's hand, another arrow in her quiver, because the European

:02:43.:02:46.

Union until now has been assumed to have a better hand to play. But the

:02:47.:02:51.

Prime Minister, we now see, has actually cards in her hand,

:02:52.:02:56.

including candidate Trump which will enable her I think to be able to

:02:57.:02:59.

secure a better deal. How do you think she's played her hand so far?

:03:00.:03:03.

She's done an exemplary job. Meanwhile, the pound has fallen

:03:04.:03:06.

to a three month low against the dollar in early trading

:03:07.:03:08.

in Asia, because of speculation Some analysts predict Theresa May

:03:09.:03:11.

will use a major speech tomorrow to say she's prepared to pull out

:03:12.:03:16.

of the single market to have more Downing Street has described

:03:17.:03:20.

the reports as "speculation" The inquests into the deaths of 30

:03:21.:03:23.

British tourists killed in Tunisia in June 2015 will open

:03:24.:03:26.

in the next hour. They were killed by a lone

:03:27.:03:28.

gunman at a 5 star beach It remains the deadliest

:03:29.:03:31.

terror attack on Britons The victims, who were aged

:03:32.:03:35.

between 19 and 80, included three Women with terminal cancer,

:03:36.:03:42.

who were expecting to be able to take a life-extending drug

:03:43.:03:48.

to give them an extra 6 months life, have been telling this programme how

:03:49.:03:52.

they'll no longer get it. Kadcyla costs around 90

:03:53.:03:55.

thousand pounds a year. NICE, the organisation which decides

:03:56.:03:58.

which drugs and treatments are available on the NHS in England

:03:59.:04:01.

and Wales, has ruled it should no longer be made

:04:02.:04:04.

available for routine use. One woman, Bonnie Fox, has told us

:04:05.:04:07.

she is considering trying to raise Taking Kadcyla away, there isn't a

:04:08.:04:23.

next step for me in place. So if I'm told my drugs aren't working, the

:04:24.:04:27.

next day I'm going to need that new drug. If that's not there, what else

:04:28.:04:32.

do I do? I have to have a drug to stay alive, so I need to find a way

:04:33.:04:34.

basically. And Victoria will have

:04:35.:04:36.

much more on this story Unconfirmed reports are saying five

:04:37.:04:48.

people have been killed after a gunman fired through an open window

:04:49.:04:56.

at the Blue Parrot Club in Playa Dell Carmen.

:04:57.:05:00.

The former Crewe Alexandra coach, Barry Bennell, is due to appear

:05:01.:05:03.

in court this morning charged with eight child sex offences.

:05:04.:05:06.

The former coach appeared via videolink at South Cheshire

:05:07.:05:08.

Magistrates' Court last month and was remanded in custody.

:05:09.:05:12.

All of the offences are alleged to have happened between 1981

:05:13.:05:15.

and 1985 when the alleged victim was under the age of 15.

:05:16.:05:26.

That's a summary of the latest BBC News, more at 10.30.

:05:27.:05:30.

An e-mail from Esther. Anyone diagnosed with cancer will know that

:05:31.:05:35.

the news currenth turns your world upside down. Drugs may cost a lot

:05:36.:05:38.

but you simply cannot put a price on life. I was diagnosed in 2013 and

:05:39.:05:44.

like one of your viewers waiting for the biopsy results was agonising.

:05:45.:05:47.

Anything that can help to extend life a little will give a tiny bit

:05:48.:05:49.

of hope to those on that journey. Do get in touch with us

:05:50.:05:52.

throughout the morning - use the hashtag Victoria Live

:05:53.:05:55.

and If you text, you will be charged Andy Murray has got his

:05:56.:05:58.

Australian Open campaign He beat Ukraine's Illya Marchenko

:05:59.:06:05.

in straight sets, although the world number one was made to battle

:06:06.:06:10.

by the world number 95. The match took two hours and 48

:06:11.:06:13.

minutes in the Melbourne heat. Murray faces Russia's Andrey

:06:14.:06:16.

Rublev in round two. Dan Evans is also through

:06:17.:06:18.

to the second round. Marchenko played well. He was

:06:19.:06:37.

playing very fast out there. I found it hard, but managed to get through.

:06:38.:06:44.

Dan Evans is also through to the second round.

:06:45.:06:46.

He beat Argentina's Facundo Bagnis in straight sets and is up

:06:47.:06:49.

against seventh seed Marin Cilic next.

:06:50.:06:52.

But British number four Aljaz Bedene is out.

:06:53.:06:54.

Pep Guardiola says Manchester City are out

:06:55.:06:59.

City lost 4-0 to Everton yesterday and are now three points behind

:07:00.:07:04.

second place Tottenham and 10 points behind league leaders Chelsea.

:07:05.:07:07.

Liverpool missed the chance to go second after a late equaliser

:07:08.:07:16.

The second one is three points. We have to see. I spoke to my players

:07:17.:07:31.

the last three weeks, forget about it, forget about the table, focus

:07:32.:07:35.

and try to do our best, try to make what you want to do to win the games

:07:36.:07:43.

and after that, we are going to weigh up how was our level of

:07:44.:07:48.

performance and then we'll have to decide.

:07:49.:07:49.

Liverpool missed the chance to go second after a late equaliser

:07:50.:07:52.

from Zlatan Ibrahimovic held them to a 1-1 draw against

:07:53.:07:54.

Jurgen Klopp's side are level on points with Tottenham.

:07:55.:08:02.

80 minutes, high intense football, it's really hard. When I saw the

:08:03.:08:07.

boys, I hope we had a little bit of luck. Unfortunately we had maybe one

:08:08.:08:13.

situation, then the next situation we did not.

:08:14.:08:15.

Premier League clubs have been accused of

:08:16.:08:17.

prioritising their finances, over improving disabled

:08:18.:08:20.

access in their stadiums, according to a report

:08:21.:08:22.

by the Culture Media Sport Committee.

:08:23.:08:24.

In 2015 the Premier League promised to improve stadium facilities

:08:25.:08:26.

for disabled fans by August of this year.

:08:27.:08:28.

But several clubs including the likes of Watford,

:08:29.:08:31.

Chelsea Liverpool are expected to miss that deadline.

:08:32.:08:33.

A statement by the Premier League says they are working hard

:08:34.:08:37.

to enhance disabled fan access will report on each club's progress

:08:38.:08:40.

This morning we've heard how some women with terminal cancer

:08:41.:08:55.

who were expecting to be able to take a life-extending drug to

:08:56.:08:59.

give them an extra 6 months life - have now been told they'll no

:09:00.:09:02.

The drug is called Kadcyla - it costs ?90,000 a year,

:09:03.:09:07.

far more than the ?20-?30,000 normally spent on

:09:08.:09:10.

NICE, the body in charge of the NHS's purse strings,

:09:11.:09:15.

has decided it can no longer fund the drug.

:09:16.:09:20.

Bonnie Fox says she was "completely devastated" on finding Kadcyla

:09:21.:09:24.

was no longer available on the NHS, she's considering trying to raise

:09:25.:09:28.

It's so frustrating, it's so upsetting, it's just...

:09:29.:09:38.

I think it's the fact that you know that drug is there,

:09:39.:09:41.

I think if it had never existed then I wouldn't be,

:09:42.:09:47.

I wouldn't have this hope of being able to use it.

:09:48.:09:56.

My name's Bonnie Fox, I was diagnosed with both primary

:09:57.:10:02.

and secondary breast cancer when I was 37, when my little boy

:10:03.:10:07.

We'd tried for quite a while to have him, as well,

:10:08.:10:12.

so it was quite a long road to have him.

:10:13.:10:15.

So, yeah, we finally thought, we'd moved house,

:10:16.:10:19.

finally got pregnant, I spent my pregnancy quite

:10:20.:10:23.

anxious thinking something was going to go wrong,

:10:24.:10:26.

and then he was finally delivered safely.

:10:27.:10:28.

And you think, "Finally, everything's going in our favour,"

:10:29.:10:31.

and then, yeah, a few months down the line you get told

:10:32.:10:34.

so you just kind of think, "Seriously, what else?!

:10:35.:10:40.

What have I done to deserve all this rubbish," basically.

:10:41.:10:50.

I'm hoping I get to see him go to school, but I don't really even

:10:51.:10:54.

let my mind kind of wander even further, exams, university,

:10:55.:11:00.

I've just assumed that I'm not going to be here for things

:11:01.:11:07.

like that so I try not to think about them, I guess,

:11:08.:11:10.

There's no way to describe it, really, it's just feeling

:11:11.:11:19.

heartbroken, I think, that's the only way to describe it.

:11:20.:11:27.

And you're at a point now where the drugs you're currently taking,

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you know at some point they're going to become ineffective,

:11:32.:11:36.

and that's when the next course of treatment would be Kadcyla?

:11:37.:11:39.

We found out recently that this is probably no longer going to be

:11:40.:11:44.

How did you feel when you first heard that news?

:11:45.:11:49.

It makes me feel worried, it makes me feel angry and frustrated,

:11:50.:11:52.

angry with the drugs company and with the NHS that they haven't

:11:53.:11:55.

been able to find a way through to agree a way forward,

:11:56.:11:59.

In my head, I've thought about how long I can last on each drug,

:12:00.:12:07.

I've got kind of a rough, I guess, timescale laid out.

:12:08.:12:09.

"If I have this drug and then I can have this drug

:12:10.:12:12.

for a couple of years, then maybe this drug..."

:12:13.:12:14.

And you kind of bank on those years, they're so precious to you,

:12:15.:12:18.

it's so important that you can squeeze as much time as possible out

:12:19.:12:21.

of the drugs, and to have that suddenly taken away...

:12:22.:12:26.

I mean, everything feels really cruel as it is,

:12:27.:12:31.

but to have that taken away from me when I'm really depending

:12:32.:12:35.

on those extra years, it's just adding a huge amount

:12:36.:12:39.

of anxiety onto already an incredibly anxious situation.

:12:40.:12:43.

And I think that's the hardest thing, I can't begain to explain how

:12:44.:12:47.

it feels when you go for scan results, it's the worst kind

:12:48.:12:51.

of anxiety, and my life is, it's already pretty stressful,

:12:52.:12:55.

I've got this enormous black cloud, I think, hanging over me,

:12:56.:12:58.

that I try to push away as best I can but it's always there,

:12:59.:13:02.

and this is just additional worry, really, additional anxiety.

:13:03.:13:05.

Taking Kadcyla away, there isn't a next step for me in place,

:13:06.:13:19.

so if I'm told that my drugs aren't working, then literally the next day

:13:20.:13:23.

I'm going to need that new drug, and if that's not there for me,

:13:24.:13:27.

I have to have a drug to stay alive, so I need to find

:13:28.:13:39.

Do you think about having to raise the money yourself

:13:40.:13:44.

Yeah, that's always in the back of my mind,

:13:45.:13:49.

When you're told that you have cancer at such a young age,

:13:50.:13:54.

Why am I this one person that's, you know, somehow been singled out

:13:55.:13:59.

And then, yeah, to be told that a drug is taken away from you that

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could extend your life is just, yeah, it's unfairness on top

:14:06.:14:07.

It's just making you feel even more cheated then you already do, really.

:14:08.:14:20.

Breaking news. Former football coach Barry Bennell has pleaded not guilty

:14:21.:14:28.

in the last few minutes to eight child sex offences, appearing at

:14:29.:14:33.

Chester Crown Court. He's 63. He's a former football coach and he's

:14:34.:14:38.

pleaded not guilty to eight child sex offences at Chester Crown Court.

:14:39.:14:42.

That's in the last few minutes. Barry Bennell, former football coach

:14:43.:14:46.

pleading not it will be to eight child sex offences, appearing at

:14:47.:14:53.

Chester Crown Court. -- pleading not guilty. Let's return to the cancer

:14:54.:15:00.

stories. Here to talk about this this

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morning is Mani Coulter - she was diagnosed with breast cancer

:15:02.:15:04.

in 2002 and didn't expect to live to see her daughter

:15:05.:15:07.

go to primary school - her daughter is currently

:15:08.:15:10.

taking her GCSE. Gill Smith is in Belfast,

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she was recommended the drug when she was first diagnosed

:15:14.:15:16.

with breast cancer. She has now been told

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she won't recieve it. Dr Anna Rigg is an oncologist

:15:19.:15:20.

specialising in breast And we can get some

:15:21.:15:22.

insight into this decision from Richard Torbett

:15:23.:15:31.

from the Association of the British Pharmaceutical Industry

:15:32.:15:33.

and Richard Sullivan Rirp ard has NICE made the right

:15:34.:15:50.

decision? Unfortunately, they have. I feel sorry for patients who are

:15:51.:15:54.

stuck in the middle of this. NICE was created to make sure we have

:15:55.:15:58.

fair and proportional prices for our cancer drugs and for all medicines

:15:59.:16:03.

across the NHS and many, many companies price their cancer drugs

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in a way that ensures they get NICE approval. So, in a sense, it is not

:16:07.:16:11.

rocket science if you price your drug accordingly for the impact it

:16:12.:16:14.

is going to make on the outcomes and quality of life for patients, you

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get authorisation from NICE and patients have been stuck in the

:16:20.:16:22.

middle. The really is the price has been set is too high for ofs NHS, it

:16:23.:16:30.

is not a fair price. Richard, why is this drug so expensive? Well, I

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think the first thing to clarify is I don't think this is a final

:16:36.:16:40.

decision yet by NICE on Kadcyla. I have got a couple of statements from

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NICE and from Roche which makes it sounds there is potential for some

:16:46.:16:49.

kind of solution, but why is it so expensive? That's true. Medicines

:16:50.:16:56.

are often expensive for a limited period of time whilst the medicine

:16:57.:17:02.

is protected by patents after which they become very cheap, indeed. So

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it could go from ?90,000 to what? It could be substantially lower. If we

:17:08.:17:14.

had been having this conversation in the 1990s, we were worried that

:17:15.:17:18.

statins were going to bankrupt the NHS. Now a month's supply of a

:17:19.:17:23.

statin costs less than a cup of coffee. What's the patent time frame

:17:24.:17:30.

then? When does that run out? Often medicines are protected by this

:17:31.:17:34.

period for in practise between eight and ten years on the market. That's

:17:35.:17:38.

a long time when you have got terminal breast cancer. It is a long

:17:39.:17:44.

time, companies put in, companies spend over $100 billion every year

:17:45.:17:52.

researching new medicines and the, there is a need to have a certain

:17:53.:17:56.

higher price for a limited period of time in order to make sure that that

:17:57.:18:01.

research effort to make progress can continue. Now, that doesn't mean

:18:02.:18:06.

that the price should be limitless and in practise there needs to be

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and indeed is a very tough negotiation between pharmaceutical

:18:12.:18:14.

companies and the NHS through NICE. The ?90,000 that we hear in this

:18:15.:18:18.

case and in fact, many of the prices, most of the prices, that are

:18:19.:18:23.

discussed publicly are the starting point of the negotiation. These are

:18:24.:18:28.

list prices, not the real prices. Is it true that roach gave a discount

:18:29.:18:32.

to NICE. What was the discount? What did it bring down to? I don't work

:18:33.:18:46.

for Roche. It won't be shared. It is a substantial discount. We are

:18:47.:18:51.

asking NICE and Roche to take action. We believe there are

:18:52.:18:55.

decisions that NICE made when appraising the treatment which made

:18:56.:18:59.

it hard tore get through that might otherwise have been. Mani, professor

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of cancer Richard Sullivan said that NICE made the right des, what do you

:19:07.:19:11.

say? I definitely don't agree with that. I was on Kadcyla five years

:19:12.:19:19.

ago. So when they banned six month increase survival rate, I'm five

:19:20.:19:22.

years progression free since being on that drug. I was on it for three

:19:23.:19:27.

years. The point, when I started Kadcyla, I was desperate. There were

:19:28.:19:31.

no options for me at all. The cancer was on my skin. It was travelling

:19:32.:19:37.

rapidly and there was nothing else and I was lucky I enrolled on to a

:19:38.:19:43.

clinical trial for Kadcyla, so I as on it for nearly three years, but it

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didn't just buy me three years, it gave me opportunity to go on to

:19:49.:19:53.

another drug that wasn't available when I applied for the Kadcyla.

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So... Do you accept that it can extend women's life for longer than

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the six months and the communications I have had today are

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from women who are still here... This is an important drug. We need

:20:08.:20:11.

new drugs in the treatment of cancer. The issue and you've run the

:20:12.:20:18.

story today, the information is under phenomenal budgetary patients.

:20:19.:20:21.

We have patients in our waiting rooms and on trolleys, the reality

:20:22.:20:25.

is we need to get fair prices for the medicines, whether they are

:20:26.:20:28.

cancer drugs or drugs for dementia into the NHS and at the moment the

:20:29.:20:32.

price which has been put forward even with the discount was clearly

:20:33.:20:40.

not a fair price. Ann Rigg, you work in the NHS, is Richard right? No, I

:20:41.:20:45.

disagree with him. I think encology is a speciality which is driven by

:20:46.:20:50.

evidence. I think there is very good evidence from the original clinical

:20:51.:20:54.

trials that were done with this drug and in fact, it was so good that it

:20:55.:20:58.

was approved in many countries including Britain and was funded by

:20:59.:21:03.

the Cancer Drugs Fund. So in fact, myself and my counterparts around

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the country have been using this drug since 2014. So as well as the

:21:07.:21:10.

original trial evidence we now have at least two years of experience of

:21:11.:21:14.

treating women with this medicine. How does it work? Why is it so good?

:21:15.:21:20.

It is a very unusual drug. It is a combination of two drugs which have

:21:21.:21:25.

been chemically linked together. One is a molecule which when you inject

:21:26.:21:29.

it into the body, travels round and will try and find cells which have

:21:30.:21:37.

got this HER2 protein and it seeks them out and most of your normal

:21:38.:21:42.

cells don't have the protein. The manufacturers have linked a

:21:43.:21:47.

chemotherapy drug on to the molecule so that it takes the chemotherapy to

:21:48.:21:54.

where it is needed. It does have some side-effects, but my experience

:21:55.:21:57.

and the experience of my counterparts is that it is very well

:21:58.:22:01.

tolerated and perhaps you can talk about that. Let me ask Gill about

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that. You were told, Gill you would be able to get Kadcyla. As it stands

:22:08.:22:11.

at the moment, that is not going to be the case, is it? Well, let's hope

:22:12.:22:17.

that it will be the case because let's hope that some kind of

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agreement can be reached between Roche and NICE. The point that I'd

:22:21.:22:27.

like to make is that, it is a crazy system when the drugs companies

:22:28.:22:32.

invest a vast amount of money into developing a revolutionary new drug

:22:33.:22:36.

which everybody agrees is phenomenally successful and gives

:22:37.:22:39.

great quality of life for a substantial period of time and then

:22:40.:22:41.

it is not available in this country to the people who need it. It is

:22:42.:22:45.

available in other countries, it is not funded here. So, there is a real

:22:46.:22:51.

failure of imagination, I think, on behalf of the policy makers to fail

:22:52.:22:58.

to find some sort of way of funding these new drugs on which other drugs

:22:59.:23:02.

will be developed in the future. We need people like me to be on the

:23:03.:23:09.

drugs so that lessons can be learnt and more people in future will be

:23:10.:23:14.

able to get even better drugs. Do you want to respond? I couldn't

:23:15.:23:19.

agree more. All needs need to work together and indeed, we are working

:23:20.:23:22.

together to try and make sure that there is a better and better, faster

:23:23.:23:27.

and faster way of making good deses for the NHS. -- decisions for the

:23:28.:23:36.

NHS. The NHS budget is tight. We have to, NICE's role is important in

:23:37.:23:41.

holding us to account as an industry to make sure that the medicines we

:23:42.:23:46.

bring to market are value for money. We need to make that conversation

:23:47.:23:49.

happen as quickly as possible for Kadcyla so that patients can get

:23:50.:23:53.

access as quickly as possible. You are an advocate, your charity is an

:23:54.:23:56.

advocate for women with breast cancer, but you must accept, don't

:23:57.:24:01.

you, that clearly, you know, finances, that there is not a

:24:02.:24:04.

bottomless pit of money when it comes it the NHS? We do accept that.

:24:05.:24:09.

We feel in this instance there are things that could have been done in

:24:10.:24:13.

the process that would make the drug available and what's distressing for

:24:14.:24:17.

women in this situation, the drug has been available on the NHS. Women

:24:18.:24:22.

who thought they were going to get this treatment, they thought they

:24:23.:24:26.

would have extra time with their families and good quality of life,

:24:27.:24:30.

are seeing this cruelly being withdrawn from them and that's

:24:31.:24:35.

heartbreaking for them. Let me read the statements from NICE and Roche.

:24:36.:24:40.

We asked both for an interview and Roche said, "They're maintaining an

:24:41.:24:43.

open dialogue with NICE and NHS England have offered improved

:24:44.:24:47.

schemes and solutions to try to keep this medicine available to patients.

:24:48.:24:50.

This is not the end of the line for patients. We want to get back around

:24:51.:24:54.

the table with NICE to turn this preliminary decision around and

:24:55.:24:58.

ensure we all do the right thing for patients and their families.

:24:59.:25:02.

Families." Does that suggest there will be a major discount? Well, I

:25:03.:25:05.

would hope there will be a proper conversation between Roche and

:25:06.:25:09.

NICE... Is that what that statement sounds like. If we have to read

:25:10.:25:13.

between the lines. There is no other way of reading that. I know you're

:25:14.:25:19.

not speaking on behalf of a Roche. You as a man with a brain? There is

:25:20.:25:25.

a real question about how NICE has examined the medicine. Their

:25:26.:25:30.

analysis is based on a comparison with a medicine that is not the

:25:31.:25:35.

standard treatment of breast cancer patients in the UK. Not available in

:25:36.:25:39.

the NHS. So I think there is a question. There is some questions

:25:40.:25:42.

for NICE to answer here. And questions probably for the company

:25:43.:25:45.

as well and that discussion needs to happen in private. A brief final

:25:46.:25:50.

word, go on. Yes, I mean, I represent a group called the UK

:25:51.:25:57.

Breast Cancer Group and we are intending to lobby NICE and 200 of

:25:58.:26:06.

us treat breast cancer patients. Can I just say? When you've got

:26:07.:26:12.

incurable cancer, things happen fast. So we can't, you know, we need

:26:13.:26:16.

decisions made very quickly. Otherwise people will die. A final

:26:17.:26:21.

point from Gill in Belfast. What sort of system allows it to be

:26:22.:26:28.

available funded previously by the breast cancer fund, and maybe when

:26:29.:26:32.

the patent comes out, but for those of us caught in the middle, we don't

:26:33.:26:36.

get it. What a ridiculous system. Thank you very much. We will see

:26:37.:26:37.

what happens. Thank you. Barry Bennell pleaded not guilty to

:26:38.:26:49.

eight sexual offence charges dating back to between 19.81 and 1985. Our

:26:50.:26:54.

correspondent Andy Swiss is at Chester Crown Court where the

:26:55.:26:58.

hearing has taken place. Andy, tell our audience the details.

:26:59.:27:04.

Well, Barry Bennell pleaded not guilty to eight charges of sexual

:27:05.:27:09.

assault against a boy aged under 15 years of age. These offences are

:27:10.:27:15.

alleged to have taken place between 19.81 and 1985 at three separate

:27:16.:27:20.

locations in Derbyshire, at Nantwich in Cheshire and also at a but lin's

:27:21.:27:26.

holiday camp. He was charged following an investigation by

:27:27.:27:29.

Cheshire Police which was completed in September last year. Now, Barry

:27:30.:27:34.

Bennell didn't appear in court in person as at his previous hearing in

:27:35.:27:42.

Crewe last month, he appeared viedia a video Lunning. He was wearing a

:27:43.:27:49.

blue jumper and spoke only to confirm his name and not guilty

:27:50.:27:53.

pleas. He is a youth coach. Perhaps best known for his work with Crewe

:27:54.:28:00.

Alexander. He worked for Manchester City and Stoke City. He has been

:28:01.:28:05.

remanded in custody until his next hearing which will take place on at

:28:06.:28:10.

Chester Crown Court on 20th March. Thank you very much, Andy Swiss

:28:11.:28:12.

reporting. Next - claims from Oxfam

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that the world's eight richest people have as much wealth

:28:19.:28:20.

as the 3.6 billion people who make Next - claims from Oxfam

:28:21.:28:23.

that the world's eight richest Those richest eight billionaires

:28:24.:28:28.

are Bill Gates, the co-founder of Microsoft who is worth $75

:28:29.:28:30.

billion, Amancio Ortega, the founder of Inditex, which owns clothes store

:28:31.:28:33.

Zara amongst others - Warren Buffett,

:28:34.:28:35.

the largest shareholder in conglomerate Berkshire Hathaway,

:28:36.:28:42.

who's worth $60.8 billion. Carlos Slim Helu, the owner

:28:43.:28:47.

of another conglomerate called Grupo Carso, who's

:28:48.:28:49.

worth $50 billion. A conglomerate by the way

:28:50.:28:52.

is a number of corporations The fifth richest billionaire

:28:53.:28:55.

is Jeff Bezos, the founder and chief executive of Amazon,

:28:56.:28:58.

who's worth $45.2 billion. the boss of Facebook

:28:59.:29:00.

who is worth $44.6 billion. Then Larry Ellison, the co-founder

:29:01.:29:07.

and chief executive of Oracle, a computer technology corporation,

:29:08.:29:09.

who is worth $43.6 billion. And finally,

:29:10.:29:13.

the eighth-richest billionaire is Michael Bloomberg, who owns

:29:14.:29:16.

Bloomberg LP and is Bloomberg is a financial software,

:29:17.:29:18.

data, and media company. So, eight billionaires, all men,

:29:19.:29:24.

six of them American, whose combined wealth is estimated

:29:25.:29:27.

at over $427 billion. But are they really worth more

:29:28.:29:32.

than half of the world? Anthony Reuben has been checking

:29:33.:29:51.

this out. Dot figures add up? It is hard to measure the wealth of very,

:29:52.:29:55.

very rich people and very poor people. Oxfam haven't done it

:29:56.:30:00.

themselves. They have got figures from Credit Suisse and Forbes and

:30:01.:30:04.

what they concluded this figure of eight having the same wealth as the

:30:05.:30:10.

poorest half, is it exactly eight? We're not sure. They have had to

:30:11.:30:14.

make assumptions along the way about whether being in debt makes you

:30:15.:30:18.

poorer than somebody who has nothing because clearly there are some

:30:19.:30:22.

people who are in debt and who have decent lifestyles, but it is fair to

:30:23.:30:27.

say that there are a lot of very, very poor people and there are a

:30:28.:30:30.

small number of people with extremely large amounts of wealth.

:30:31.:30:33.

What's difficult to say, is whether this is getting better or worse

:30:34.:30:38.

because the data sources that Credit Suisse use change each year and they

:30:39.:30:42.

have more information particularly about the poorest people. There is

:30:43.:30:46.

also an argument about whether wealth is what matters? We do have a

:30:47.:30:50.

fairly good idea that the income of the poorest people has been getting

:30:51.:30:54.

better, but I'm sure Oxfam will be keen to explain why wealth is

:30:55.:30:55.

important as well. Cheers, Anthony. With us in the studio

:30:56.:31:00.

is Katy Wright from Oxfam, and Kate Andrews from the free

:31:01.:31:02.

market think-tank the Institute Katy Wright, what is the point then

:31:03.:31:14.

of this? The point of this is really to show you and me how we are living

:31:15.:31:19.

in a world of vast economic inequality, an inequality crisis

:31:20.:31:22.

where you have got, as has been said, eight people who have the same

:31:23.:31:27.

wealth as 3.6 billion others. The point for Oxfam actually is to say

:31:28.:31:31.

that it's not just that there's this gross disparity of wealth but it's

:31:32.:31:34.

the same economic system and policies that are causing this

:31:35.:31:39.

extreme wealth that are also perpetuating poverty and we won't

:31:40.:31:43.

overcome poverty unless we tackle inequality. So the system has to

:31:44.:31:48.

change? Exactly. There seems to be little

:31:49.:31:52.

referencethe fact that in 2016 alone, over 100 million people were

:31:53.:31:57.

brought out of absolute poverty, specifically in China and India.

:31:58.:32:01.

Those are systems that have embraced the free market and capitalism

:32:02.:32:05.

because it's the best provider of wealth and income for everyone

:32:06.:32:08.

across-the-board. I'm not so bothered about the ratio between the

:32:09.:32:11.

rich and poor, I care most about the poor and how well they are faring.

:32:12.:32:16.

Why do you laugh when she says that? Well, because I mean it's just the

:32:17.:32:21.

classic bunk that we hear to justify this. Let's talk about how the

:32:22.:32:26.

poorest have fared right. Since 1988, the poorest 10% of the plan

:32:27.:32:33.

vet got richer by about $3 a year so for all the great economic stories

:32:34.:32:37.

of growth, getting what you and I might spend on a coffee every day a

:32:38.:32:43.

year, you know, 700 million more people could have been brought out

:32:44.:32:46.

of poverty had we had more equal growth. To celebrate some people

:32:47.:32:52.

having crumbs when everyone else is enjoying the whole cake... Is that a

:32:53.:32:57.

fair point? It's the case where some people haven't seen as much growth

:32:58.:33:01.

in wealth as they could have, usually because the Governments

:33:02.:33:05.

prevent it. The issue of croneyism is problematic. Where we do see

:33:06.:33:09.

people coming out of poverty, this is where they are embracing

:33:10.:33:15.

capitalism, in China and India. We need to tackle the dictatorships,

:33:16.:33:22.

that are keeping people living on less than $3. Oxfam's report, they

:33:23.:33:27.

are trying to suggest that the aggregated net wealth of a person is

:33:28.:33:34.

what is going to determine their wealth. So you are saying that a

:33:35.:33:48.

Harvard graduated student is graduating with $100,000 a year so

:33:49.:33:55.

he looks poorer than an Indian farmer. People show up poor even

:33:56.:33:59.

though they may be potentially going to have quite high earnings, the

:34:00.:34:04.

classic one is the Harvard graduate. Let's be clear, this is a tiny

:34:05.:34:10.

number of people. The average of the 3.6 billion people live in really

:34:11.:34:15.

poor places. But the... One second. The debt is showing up in poor

:34:16.:34:19.

countries as well. That is not people with student loans, that is

:34:20.:34:22.

people borrowing because the harvests are failed, going from

:34:23.:34:25.

money lender to money lender to money lender, people selling what

:34:26.:34:30.

they have to pay for medical costs, as we were speaking to people in

:34:31.:34:34.

Vietnam the other way. We've got to leave it there, but thank you very

:34:35.:34:35.

much. Donald Trump will be sworn

:34:36.:34:37.

in as the 45th president This morning he's been setting

:34:38.:34:41.

out some of his views. We'll hear from him and some

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of his supporters in Texas. And nearly half of working fathers

:34:46.:34:47.

would like a less stressful job so they can spend more time caring

:34:48.:34:50.

for their children. We speak to working dads,

:34:51.:34:53.

who have given up or are thinking about quitting high powered jobs

:34:54.:34:56.

to achieve a better Donald Trump has promised that a

:34:57.:35:20.

trade deal will be his priority when he takes off on Friday. He spoke to

:35:21.:35:25.

Michael Gove for the Times in his first British interview since

:35:26.:35:28.

becoming US President Elect. He also said he'd ask his son-in-law to

:35:29.:35:31.

negotiate a Middle East peace agreement and would seek a deal with

:35:32.:35:38.

Russia to reduce nuclear weapons. The former craics coach Barry

:35:39.:35:42.

Bennell has pleaded not guilty to eight child sex offences during a

:35:43.:35:45.

plea hearing at Chester Crown Court this morning -- Crewe Alexandra. All

:35:46.:35:50.

the offences are alleged to have happened between 1981 and 1985 when

:35:51.:35:55.

the alleged victim was under 15. Unconfirmed reports say five people

:35:56.:35:58.

have been killed after a gunman opened fire at a music event in

:35:59.:36:04.

Mexico. Eyewitnesses say the gunman fired through an open window at a

:36:05.:36:13.

Club. It was opening a party for a festival. Join me nor BBC newsroom

:36:14.:36:16.

live at 11, see you then. Andy Murray has got his

:36:17.:36:23.

Australian Open campaign The world number one beat

:36:24.:36:26.

Illya Marchenko in straight sets. He's attempting to win his first

:36:27.:36:31.

Australian Open title Dan Evans is also through

:36:32.:36:33.

to the second round. He beat Facundo Bagnis in straight

:36:34.:36:37.

sets and will play Marin Cilic next. Pep Guardiola says Manchester City

:36:38.:36:40.

are out of the title race. They lost 4-0 to Everton yesterday

:36:41.:36:44.

to leave them ten points Liverpool go third after a 1-all

:36:45.:36:47.

draw at Manchester United. This picture shows Michael Gove,

:36:48.:37:00.

former Justice Secretary and Brexit campaigner,

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with the next US Just behind Michael Gove,

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you might be able to see a picture of a Playboy magazine cover

:37:06.:37:13.

featuring Donald Trump on the cover. I thought the UK was so smart

:37:14.:37:20.

in getting out and you were there and you guys wrote it and put it

:37:21.:37:23.

on the front page. Trump said that Brexit

:37:24.:37:26.

was going to happen. That is when it was

:37:27.:37:28.

going to lose easily. Obama said they'd go go

:37:29.:37:33.

to the back of the line. And the UK wanted its own identity,

:37:34.:37:37.

but I do believe this - if they hadn't been forced to take

:37:38.:37:52.

in all of the refugees, so many, with all the problems that it

:37:53.:37:56.

entails I think you wouldn't Donald Trump also revealed

:37:57.:38:00.

his and his mother's The UK, my mother was very

:38:01.:38:25.

ceremonial. I think that's why I got this aspect because my father was

:38:26.:38:30.

bricks and mortar and my mother sort of had a flair. She loved the Queen,

:38:31.:38:34.

she loved anything, she was so proud of the Queen. She loved the

:38:35.:38:40.

ceremonial and beauty, because nobody does that like the English

:38:41.:38:44.

and she had great respect for the Queen and liked her. Any time the

:38:45.:38:48.

Queen was on television, an event, my mother would be watching.

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Trump supporters see this as a triumph for those who're

:38:58.:39:02.

antiestablishment. Critics worry about democracy. Newsbeat's

:39:03.:39:07.

political team Jonathan Blake and Declan Harvey travelled 2,000 miles

:39:08.:39:11.

around Texas to speak to voters putting their trust in Donald Trump.

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# I was born to lead # The land of the free...

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The Americans who voted for Donald Trump

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weren't just the people you saw on the news.

:39:26.:39:27.

Supporters believed only the Donald could make America

:39:28.:39:37.

I needed and wanted to see jobs coming back to America.

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God has a big thing to do with it in my

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That war will go up so fast, your head will

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We are on a 2,500 mile road trip round the great state of Texas

:39:52.:39:56.

to hear why so many have put their trust in Donald Trump.

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We are in Austin this morning, and off to meet

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a young lady called Hannah, who voted for Donald Trump.

:40:26.:40:29.

It will be really interesting to hear her

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reasons for voting for him, and particularly as a woman, I guess,

:40:33.:40:36.

because we know the things he's said, his attitudes to women have

:40:37.:40:39.

But it with just be interesting to see whether that

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swayed her at all, and the reasons she gives for still supporting him.

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# If Donald Trump had said all the things he said he said...

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Small minority in Austin because he is a

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trump voter and he does not have a lot of support here,

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I was kind of laughing and crying at the same

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I was like, I don't know what's happening any more because I

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obviously did not expect him to win the code you were surprised?

:41:24.:41:26.

I want to see jobs coming back to America.

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It is an important issue for me, which true me to him.

:41:32.:41:34.

Our jobs are being stolen like own from a baby.

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Our jobs are being stolen like candy from a baby.

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It's not going to happen any more, folks.

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That is an issue, looking for more full-time

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And I keep getting told after the fourth

:41:54.:41:56.

interview, we liked you, we loved your interview, but we went with

:41:57.:41:59.

somebody who was willing to take a $10,000 pay cut and who has been

:42:00.:42:02.

He's been criticised for the comments he has

:42:03.:42:06.

made about women, being able to grab a woman

:42:07.:42:08.

and do what you want and

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other things - were you worried at all about what that said about him

:42:11.:42:13.

I listened listen to rap music, I listen to Wu-Tang Clan!

:42:14.:42:21.

You walk by smelling like water melon...

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I can't be ideological consistent and say that that bothers

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So what three things are you trusting Donald Trump to do in order

:42:30.:42:33.

to make sure that you don't regret voting for him?

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Right, do three things that I am trusting Donald

:42:37.:42:38.

Trump to do are to build the wall, as he said he would, to bring jobs

:42:39.:42:42.

back to the US, and to increase the growth of the economy.

:42:43.:42:44.

And then to appoint Supreme Court justices who

:42:45.:42:46.

are going to uphold the constitution in a strict way.

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Which particular bits of the constitution are you

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concerned about and you would like to see upheld?

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So, the laws regarding free speech are important

:42:55.:42:56.

to me, and the laws that protect that free speech, our right to

:42:57.:43:00.

If you're worried about paying your bills at the end of the month, then

:43:01.:43:07.

She's struggled to find a job since college, and when it comes

:43:08.:43:14.

down to it, she's voted for the guy who he says can improve her

:43:15.:43:17.

And I think if you combine that with the social issues

:43:18.:43:21.

that are in court to people, things like abortion and immigration,

:43:22.:43:23.

managed to achieve the level of support he did.

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# Don't sit around and cry # Just roll me up and

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So, we headed more into the centre of Texas.

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And we're going to meet a 26-year-old who's never been

:43:52.:43:55.

involved in politics before, but he said Donald Trump made him

:43:56.:43:58.

# Just roll me up and smoke me when I die.

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So, the night of the election, were you watching

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the results come in, and what was your reaction?

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God has a big thing to do with it in my life,

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but I think he took care of it, in my opinion.

:44:29.:44:31.

Were there things that Donald Trump specifically

:44:32.:44:32.

said that you thought, yes, that's why he'll get my vote?

:44:33.:44:35.

They're bringing crime, they're rapists, and some

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There are so many people in this country living for free,

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and I'm paying for them, and that's very aggravating for me.

:44:44.:44:48.

Because taxes, I'm feeding people's families that aren't even

:44:49.:44:51.

Prisons, they're full of illegal immigrants as well.

:44:52.:44:58.

And that's more money going down the drain from me

:44:59.:45:04.

and from our country, because we're putting it in, too.

:45:05.:45:06.

Your father came to this country illegally from Central America -

:45:07.:45:09.

did that have any impact on how you voted for what you feel

:45:10.:45:12.

My dad, in the '80s, he immigrated to this country illegally.

:45:13.:45:23.

But the thing that differentiates him from the average

:45:24.:45:25.

fella on the street is, he actually did it the right way.

:45:26.:45:29.

He started working, worked hard, and he came up from nothing.

:45:30.:45:35.

He became legal as soon as he could, once he got everything established.

:45:36.:45:38.

He took the steps and he did it the right way.

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When there's so many people that are just living in the shadows

:45:45.:45:47.

and doing everything sketchy, in my opinion -

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that's a weird word, but it's just not right.

:45:50.:45:51.

Are you expecting Donald Trump to literally build a wall now,

:45:52.:45:54.

or did you see it as more a metaphor, to say, we're

:45:55.:45:57.

Are you expecting him to put bricks down?

:45:58.:46:02.

Barack Obama said he was going to step up border enforcement,

:46:03.:46:09.

And personally I've been down to the border on hunting trips.

:46:10.:46:15.

And it's just crazy, the amount of tax dodgers you see

:46:16.:46:17.

running around that part of the country, down

:46:18.:46:19.

I mean, every two miles you drive, you see a US border patrol truck,

:46:20.:46:24.

If that money was filtered into a physical wall,

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like you're saying, laying bricks down, that could make

:46:30.:46:31.

a definite impact on the situation in some areas.

:46:32.:46:35.

But some areas are so impassible, that a wall, it's not feasible

:46:36.:46:38.

What are you then trusting Donald Trump to deliver on, now that

:46:39.:46:47.

We're going to get rid of the criminals and stuff like that.

:46:48.:46:51.

And hopefully, just bring the country together,

:46:52.:46:55.

and that's going to make America great, or...

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When was the last time America was great?

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That was around the time your dad came, yes.

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There's no getting away from the fact that his dad walked

:47:18.:47:20.

for three days across the desert to illegally come to

:47:21.:47:23.

the US during the 1980s, and one generation on,

:47:24.:47:27.

he's voting primarily to stop that immigration and others

:47:28.:47:29.

But you know, he didn't vote for Donald Trump

:47:30.:47:33.

because he literally expected a wall.

:47:34.:47:38.

I think we're so used to, in politics, people

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But this is different, they don't expect Donald Trump

:47:41.:47:45.

to deliver word for word, they just generally like

:47:46.:47:49.

what he's saying and if he comes kind of close to that,

:47:50.:47:51.

then that might be good enough for them.

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We've come south to San Antonio to meet a more reluctant Trump voter.

:47:58.:47:59.

So, Donald Trump won, how did you feel when you saw the result?

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I'm not jumping up and down elated that he's the president.

:48:04.:48:06.

But I am jumping up and down elated that Hillary Clinton isn't, I guess!

:48:07.:48:10.

Religious freedom is very important to me.

:48:11.:48:12.

And Hillary Clinton has already pretty much declared

:48:13.:48:13.

Cultural codes, religious beliefs, have to be changed.

:48:14.:48:20.

So that's just one thing, just the fact that if you feel

:48:21.:48:23.

like you can take away one of our rights, you feel

:48:24.:48:26.

The things he said about women, the things he said

:48:27.:48:31.

about black people, does any of that worry you and did

:48:32.:48:33.

Trump has definitely said some negative things about black people,

:48:34.:48:47.

But personally, my identity comes from so much more than being black.

:48:48.:48:52.

I have a military background, my dad was in the Air Force for 20

:48:53.:48:55.

years, I'm a Christian, I was home-schooled.

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And these are all values that are very, very important to me.

:48:58.:48:59.

What three things are you now trusting Donald Trump to do,

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now that you voted for him and he's been elected president?

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I'm trusting Donald Trump first off to take our national security

:49:06.:49:08.

I'm trusting him to protect all of our rights in the Bill of Rights,

:49:09.:49:12.

the right to bear arms, the rights to freedom

:49:13.:49:14.

And I'm trusting him to protect parents' rights to make decisions

:49:15.:49:18.

regarding their children's health and education and

:49:19.:49:20.

Everyone I think without fail who we've met that voted for Trump

:49:21.:49:27.

spoke really strongly about how much they don't like Hillary Clinton.

:49:28.:49:30.

There is no middle ground, you either love her or you hate her.

:49:31.:49:33.

They don't like her more than they DO like HIM,

:49:34.:49:36.

One more stop, and that's to meet a member of Donald

:49:37.:49:40.

Were you always a supporter of him, did you always have a good feeling

:49:41.:49:51.

Donald Trump was probably the bottom of my list.

:49:52.:49:57.

I've seen a genius in him that must also reflect well

:49:58.:50:03.

Many people will feel like they haven't seen any signs

:50:04.:50:09.

of genius - can you explain to them what genius you're seeing?

:50:10.:50:21.

The only true genius I think is not how much talent you have,

:50:22.:50:24.

but using what's around you, using your personal resources,

:50:25.:50:26.

going through and figuring out who can do the jobs that you can't.

:50:27.:50:29.

Was there anything that he did during the campaign that made

:50:30.:50:32.

Well, it's hard to say, because there were certain things

:50:33.:50:35.

He didn't go into abortion, we hardly heard a word about it.

:50:36.:50:41.

He didn't say anything about homosexuality, hardly,

:50:42.:50:42.

and those issues are pretty important to the social

:50:43.:50:44.

If you're a social conservative, a Bible-believing Christian,

:50:45.:50:48.

you believe that God is on the throne, not man.

:50:49.:50:50.

Why does God keep coming up in politics here?

:50:51.:50:52.

I'm sure he's not evangelical or a Bible student, but I think

:50:53.:51:00.

lately, he's starting to wake up a little bit.

:51:01.:51:02.

You've seen his language change somewhat.

:51:03.:51:04.

Do you think he's in the process of finding God as he becomes

:51:05.:51:07.

I don't know if in his position he would be able to pursue Christ

:51:08.:51:14.

as a humble person - it would be very difficult as president.

:51:15.:51:17.

Also with his track record, he hasn't demonstrated much poverty

:51:18.:51:19.

I think that is an issue with many conservatives,

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that's why he didn't do so well in Texas the first time.

:51:26.:51:28.

So, what are you trusting Donald Trump to do, then?

:51:29.:51:30.

I'm trusting him to build a coalition.

:51:31.:51:32.

He's not going to be able to lead if he doesn't have the right people,

:51:33.:51:40.

because he's brand-new to the process.

:51:41.:51:41.

With the benefit of hindsight, which is a wonderful thing, not

:51:42.:51:49.

surprising that Donald Trump won this election, and won convincingly.

:51:50.:52:02.

Not only has Donald Trump become president - there were other

:52:03.:52:05.

elections going on at the same time for the Senate and the House

:52:06.:52:08.

of Representatives, America's parliament.

:52:09.:52:12.

And the Republican Party now has complete control,

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which will make Donald Trump's life a lot easier in terms of passing

:52:15.:52:17.

If you want to watch that film again, you can find

:52:18.:52:35.

Nearly half of working fathers would like a less stressful job

:52:36.:52:40.

so they can spend more time caring for their children.

:52:41.:52:44.

A study for the charity working families says about a third of dads

:52:45.:52:48.

would take a pay cut to achieve a better work-life balance.

:52:49.:52:50.

Martin Daubney is a dad of two and former editor

:52:51.:52:54.

He resigned from his job after the birth of his

:52:55.:52:57.

Mohsin Jameel, a dad of three who run his own company

:52:58.:53:00.

but wants to spend more time to with his children.

:53:01.:53:03.

He quit his job two years ago to work from home so he could look

:53:04.:53:08.

Right, just briefly describe the kind of work you're in and why you

:53:09.:53:19.

need to be there 24/7? I'm running a financial services firm which is

:53:20.:53:24.

boutique. We are dealing in the foreign exchange market and we allow

:53:25.:53:28.

the trade tors deal on different stocks and shares. This is my

:53:29.:53:32.

business to be honest. I'm heading the business for the last six years.

:53:33.:53:37.

It is my own business. I feel that I have been occupied with my business

:53:38.:53:41.

inside out for the last six years and I have given too much time. Of

:53:42.:53:44.

course, when you start a business, there is a lot of input which comes

:53:45.:53:50.

from the owner's side. So travelling, putting my head down

:53:51.:53:54.

with the business, since it is a 24 hour market I have to be vigilant on

:53:55.:53:59.

that side. It is in a fraction of a second you are on the other side of

:54:00.:54:03.

the game and you lose the business completely. How old are your

:54:04.:54:07.

children? I've got three. The older one is nearly 13 now and I have

:54:08.:54:10.

another son who is ten and a daughter who is eight. We are just

:54:11.:54:14.

seeing a picture of them now, you would like to spend more time with

:54:15.:54:17.

them? I would like to spend more time with them. You can see how he

:54:18.:54:23.

needs to be there and vigilant with his business. What advice would you

:54:24.:54:29.

give to him? You're realising the richness of spending time with your

:54:30.:54:36.

children which is a richness beyond salary or remuneration, when I

:54:37.:54:40.

jacked my job in, when I was working 70 hours a week and not only seeing

:54:41.:54:45.

my child at bath time and story time, but not seeing my wife, it was

:54:46.:54:51.

making me miserable. I thought what's my life about? Is it about

:54:52.:54:55.

success as a business person or success as a human? And I just... I

:54:56.:55:00.

mean, again, this is the kind of thing we used to say to women, can

:55:01.:55:03.

men have it all? Are you saying you can't now? Today's report pointed

:55:04.:55:08.

out something really interesting and that's while more men are prepared

:55:09.:55:12.

to admit they want to spend more time which by is a beautiful thing,

:55:13.:55:19.

we aren't supported through shared parental leave. We get two weeks

:55:20.:55:23.

statutory minimum pay and that's it, so we have to go back to work when

:55:24.:55:28.

we don't want to. So we are seeing men down skilling because they want

:55:29.:55:32.

that balance. So we are seeing this fatherhood gap emerging. Tom, do you

:55:33.:55:38.

agree there is a fatherhood gap? I would agree with that view, yeah.

:55:39.:55:44.

It's very difficult. Workplaces don't, they still don't understand

:55:45.:55:47.

what it can be like for working parents who also happen to be male,

:55:48.:55:52.

yes. So, do you think men can have it all? A fulfilling successful job

:55:53.:55:57.

and all that time with the kids that they want? I don't know about having

:55:58.:56:03.

it all! I do often say thave' got the best of both worlds though so

:56:04.:56:07.

maybe I'm contradicting myself. Because you work from home? It is

:56:08.:56:11.

not perfect, but yeah, so I work from home so I get more time with

:56:12.:56:16.

the kids and my wife and I get to do my work as well. It's stressful like

:56:17.:56:21.

any other existence, but it is certainly better than my previous

:56:22.:56:24.

existence for sure. What are you going to do then? What changes are

:56:25.:56:28.

you going to make or are you considering making? As my son is

:56:29.:56:32.

growing, he has gone it a secondary school. There he looks at me as a

:56:33.:56:36.

mentor, as someone who can come forward and spend time with him, you

:56:37.:56:39.

know. I realised it quite late. There is two things to it, one,

:56:40.:56:43.

being a father and wanting to give the best of the best to my kids. You

:56:44.:56:47.

work hard and you start earning money, but then the other, the dark

:56:48.:56:50.

side sud can't give time to your kids. So what are you going to

:56:51.:56:56.

change, if anything? I'm going to take a break off my work and slow

:56:57.:57:00.

down on my job side and take it easy and probably employ someone else to

:57:01.:57:05.

perform the role and give me time to my kids. Because my kid is going to

:57:06.:57:09.

a secondary school, he needs me. Since I have taken a break, I have

:57:10.:57:13.

realised spending time with my kids, they need me right now. They need

:57:14.:57:17.

someone to guide them, you know. This is the time. If I don't give

:57:18.:57:23.

time then you know... You'll never get it back again. Is he doing the

:57:24.:57:29.

right thing? You can see the genuine happiness that this brings him when

:57:30.:57:33.

he mentions it. It is progressive that men are admitting this. We

:57:34.:57:37.

don't have to be like our fathers and work nonstop. My dad was a coal

:57:38.:57:41.

miner and I never saw him apart from the weekends. He was a working dad

:57:42.:57:47.

and I became that dad. We're unlearning to become more like our

:57:48.:57:51.

mums and more like our partners want to be. Rather than being yesterday's

:57:52.:57:55.

men where you never see your kids and you just never get that time

:57:56.:57:59.

back. Last Saturday, I spent time with my son. I went out to watch a

:58:00.:58:06.

movie alone and to have dinner. Just him and you? Just me and my son. I

:58:07.:58:11.

realised that, you know, he wanted to say a lot of things to me and we

:58:12.:58:16.

shared a lot of stuff about school, about our daily stuff. I want to

:58:17.:58:22.

play football, papa. I want to go here and I want to go there. Thank

:58:23.:58:28.

you, gentlemen. Have a good day. We're back tomorrow at 9am. Have a

:58:29.:58:29.

good day. 20th of January, the day of

:58:30.:58:34.

the inauguration of Donald Trump

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