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Hello and welcome to Witness, with me, Tanya Beckett. I'm back at the | :00:27. | :00:35. | |
British library in London with more remarkable insight into history from | :00:36. | :00:41. | |
people who were there. This month we will hear from one of the scientists | :00:42. | :00:44. | |
who tried to contain the Chernobyl nuclear disaster. A Cuban who fought | :00:45. | :00:50. | |
at the Bay of pigs. And, the owner of the pooch that saved the day at | :00:51. | :00:57. | |
the football World Cup. First, we are going back to 1961, when the | :00:58. | :01:02. | |
Nazi war criminal Adolf Eichmann was put on trial in Israel. Gabriel Bach | :01:03. | :01:11. | |
helped to prosecute the man known as the architect of the Holocaust. | :01:12. | :01:14. | |
In the ninth week of his Jerusalem trial for the murder of 6 million | :01:15. | :01:18. | |
Jews, Adolf Eichmann takes the stand in his bullet-proof dock. | :01:19. | :01:22. | |
Eichmann was head of what is called the Jewish Department in the SS, | :01:23. | :01:25. | |
In many German documents it was called Operation Eichmann, | :01:26. | :01:34. | |
Hitler and Himmler and these people, who actually made the order to kill | :01:35. | :01:42. | |
all the Jews in 1941, they of course were more guilty. | :01:43. | :01:58. | |
But Eichmann was in charge of the whole of the carrying out | :01:59. | :02:02. | |
Eichmann, in 1960, was caught by Israeli agents in the Argentine, | :02:03. | :02:05. | |
Two days after he arrived in Israel, the Minister of Justice called me, | :02:06. | :02:11. | |
and he said Mr Bach, I imagine you will be one | :02:12. | :02:14. | |
But would you be prepared also to be in charge of the investigation? | :02:15. | :02:23. | |
The whole world spoke about it, and all the newspapers. | :02:24. | :02:27. | |
You could see that Eichmann was proud about anything he did | :02:28. | :02:30. | |
in order to prevent the saving of a single Jew. | :02:31. | :02:37. | |
TRANSLATION: And then they took my mother, | :02:38. | :02:40. | |
I put him on the stage as a witness, and then I asked him, | :02:41. | :02:57. | |
He said, well, I had no idea what Auschwitz meant. | :02:58. | :03:02. | |
And he said, my wife, when we came there, was sent to | :03:03. | :03:05. | |
the left, which was shown afterwards to the gas chambers. | :03:06. | :03:11. | |
And I had a little daughter, two and a half years old, and of | :03:12. | :03:17. | |
Then they asked me, what was your profession? | :03:18. | :03:21. | |
I said, well, I was an engineer in the army. | :03:22. | :03:30. | |
So they said, to the right, because they wanted to keep me to do | :03:31. | :03:33. | |
So the SS commander said, well, I have to talk to | :03:34. | :03:43. | |
So it took a few minutes, and then he said to the boy, | :03:44. | :03:47. | |
And I saw the witness, he was back there, with his... | :03:48. | :03:51. | |
I could see his eyes, and he said, I couldn't see my wife anymore. | :03:52. | :03:54. | |
But my little daughter, she had a red coat. | :03:55. | :04:02. | |
And that little red dot, getting smaller and smaller, this is how | :04:03. | :04:05. | |
At that time, my little daughter was exactly two and a half years old, | :04:06. | :04:13. | |
and I had bought her a red coat two weeks before that. | :04:14. | :04:16. | |
So when the witness said that about the red coat, it suddenly cut | :04:17. | :04:19. | |
Until this very day, I can be in a restaurant, | :04:20. | :04:32. | |
I can be in the street, and I suddenly feel my heart beating, and | :04:33. | :04:37. | |
I turn around, and I see a little boy or a little girl in a red coat. | :04:38. | :04:55. | |
Former Israeli prosecutor Gabriel Bach. In that same year, 1961, there | :04:56. | :05:05. | |
was an attempt by a Cuban exiled to end the Communist revolution on the | :05:06. | :05:09. | |
island. With help from Washington they sent a small army of volunteers | :05:10. | :05:13. | |
to land at the Bay of pigs and try to invade Cuba. Our next witness was | :05:14. | :05:20. | |
one of the supporters of Fidel Castro lying in wait. | :05:21. | :06:06. | |
Cuban revolutionary troops such as these have invaded Castro's leftist | :06:07. | :06:13. | |
island fortress. The rebels have struggled along the coast within 90 | :06:14. | :06:14. | |
miles of Havana. In 1990, after the fall of the | :06:15. | :09:11. | |
Berlin Wall, journalists were allowed to report freely in Romania | :09:12. | :09:15. | |
for the first time. They discovered that thousands of children had been | :09:16. | :09:18. | |
living in terrible conditions in orphanages set up by the notorious | :09:19. | :09:26. | |
Ceausescu regime. Our next witness was one of those orphans. | :09:27. | :09:39. | |
So in 1989 Communism fell, and the world went to Romania to | :09:40. | :09:44. | |
There were some medias that actually found institutions, institutions | :09:45. | :09:49. | |
that weren't meant to be discovered by the public and the outside world. | :09:50. | :09:53. | |
It left the world in shock that such conditions even existed. | :09:54. | :10:00. | |
Those of us who visited these institutions | :10:01. | :10:03. | |
built by the Communist regime are unlikely ever to forget them. | :10:04. | :10:07. | |
Hundreds of children, not so much cared for, as contained. | :10:08. | :10:16. | |
Well, at the age of six months old I became ill, | :10:17. | :10:18. | |
and my parents took me to a hospital to be treated for my illness. | :10:19. | :10:22. | |
But instead of finding healing at the hospital, I actually ended | :10:23. | :10:25. | |
My parents took me to a different hospital, in Sighetu Marmatiei. | :10:26. | :10:32. | |
So the state put me in an institution | :10:33. | :10:37. | |
for handicapped children, an orphanage known as a hospital | :10:38. | :10:39. | |
What's in this room, no-one could prepare for. | :10:40. | :10:48. | |
These boys are the most difficult cases. | :10:49. | :10:57. | |
From the moment that we can remember for ourselves, that's all we knew. | :10:58. | :11:06. | |
We didn't have compassion, we didn't have feelings or emotions. | :11:07. | :11:09. | |
We were just wild animals that needed to be caged up, is what | :11:10. | :11:21. | |
I grew up there until I was 11 years old. | :11:22. | :11:27. | |
Romania has precious little that the world wants, accept its children. | :11:28. | :11:31. | |
These are the children soon to start a new | :11:32. | :11:34. | |
Some orphanages have been emptied already. | :11:35. | :11:38. | |
I was adopted by a family in southern California, in San | :11:39. | :11:41. | |
It was difficult pretty quickly, actually. | :11:42. | :11:46. | |
I could not adapt into a family environment. | :11:47. | :11:48. | |
My mind was just so used to living in the institution, I was desperate | :11:49. | :11:52. | |
I even wrote letters asking the workers if they would let me stay | :11:53. | :12:00. | |
Each and every single one of them said no. | :12:01. | :12:07. | |
I went to meet my birth family, to search for answers. | :12:08. | :12:12. | |
We also went back to the institution where I grew up. | :12:13. | :12:15. | |
I tried to get to know her, but unfortunately not every parent | :12:16. | :12:21. | |
If I had never come to America, I would either be | :12:22. | :12:26. | |
There are so many kids who are just kicked out of the system. | :12:27. | :12:33. | |
Every city I went to, to Romania, or every county, when you see a grown | :12:34. | :12:37. | |
adult, sitting or standing, rocking back and forth, or doing something | :12:38. | :12:42. | |
that only an institutionalised person would do, you can instantly | :12:43. | :12:46. | |
recognise that person grew up in an orphanage. I do miss | :12:47. | :12:54. | |
the institution sometimes, and people don't understand that, | :12:55. | :12:57. | |
It's what we're used to, that's where we grew up. | :12:58. | :13:01. | |
Remember, you can watch Witness every month on the BBC News channel, | :13:02. | :13:23. | |
or you can catch up on over 1000 radio programmes in our online | :13:24. | :13:32. | |
archive. It is 30 years since one of the units at the Chernobyl plant in | :13:33. | :13:37. | |
the Soviet Union exploded, causing the worst nuclear accident in | :13:38. | :13:43. | |
history. Our next guest was a young chemist who joined the thousands of | :13:44. | :13:47. | |
so-called liquidators sent in to try to clean up the area. He told | :13:48. | :13:49. | |
Witness his story. Everything was huge, everything was | :13:50. | :14:01. | |
epic, a huge nuclear power plant, a huge exploded unit. Workers at the | :14:02. | :14:07. | |
Chernobyl nuclear power plant, near Kiev, took pictures of a thick plume | :14:08. | :14:11. | |
of smoke coming from one of the reactors. It was the first | :14:12. | :14:16. | |
indication of what was to become the world's worst civil nuclear | :14:17. | :14:20. | |
accident. Everyone living within a 20 mile radius of Chernobyl was | :14:21. | :14:27. | |
evacuated. The first information about the disaster appeared several | :14:28. | :14:33. | |
days after the disaster. It was pre-empted in the main Soviet | :14:34. | :14:40. | |
newspaper, and it was a small announcement, like two x two inches, | :14:41. | :14:45. | |
and then nobody could imagine that this is an event of such global | :14:46. | :14:51. | |
scale. When I read in the newspaper about this event, I was not worried | :14:52. | :14:59. | |
at all. Nobody was worried at all. Because the nuclear energy was | :15:00. | :15:03. | |
considered as absolutely safe. At the time of the disaster, I was a | :15:04. | :15:12. | |
senior chemist. I joined the regiment, the 25th Brigade of | :15:13. | :15:18. | |
radiation and chemical detection. Only 2.5 miles after the explosion. | :15:19. | :15:24. | |
The first priority was to make the reactors safe. A small army of | :15:25. | :15:27. | |
helpers was recruited and brought in to help with the immediate task of | :15:28. | :15:32. | |
sealing off the plant. The first shift of the mitigation workers did | :15:33. | :15:39. | |
the most crucial efforts of not letting it to increase in its scale. | :15:40. | :15:44. | |
I consider them real heroes, I don't consider myself a hero, what they | :15:45. | :15:50. | |
are real heroes. Because they were exposed to very large doses of | :15:51. | :15:57. | |
radiation. A noticeable share of them developed acute radiation | :15:58. | :16:04. | |
sickness. My job was to lead the quorum of armed reconnaissance | :16:05. | :16:10. | |
patrol vehicles into the zone in the morning, then to do my own mission | :16:11. | :16:19. | |
with my own crew. After dinner, me and my officers were to sit in the | :16:20. | :16:26. | |
tent and to do piles and piles of paperwork, to sum up as a result of | :16:27. | :16:33. | |
the day. Our crews were the last to make the final check before the | :16:34. | :16:41. | |
government commission was to decide whether to evacuate the village or | :16:42. | :16:48. | |
not. And you can imagine, you know, this crying and suffering and pain, | :16:49. | :16:52. | |
and you know it, and you can do nothing about it. And you can... You | :16:53. | :17:00. | |
cannot help these people. The overall health effect on the health | :17:01. | :17:07. | |
of the population is enormous. And of course, it is negative. The | :17:08. | :17:14. | |
acknowledged effect of Chernobyl radiation is an increase of their | :17:15. | :17:23. | |
cellular cancers in the children of Belarus and most of Ukraine. And it | :17:24. | :17:29. | |
pained me a lot. It's still pains me. Sergii Mirnyi, who now runs | :17:30. | :17:41. | |
tours of Chernobyl for visitors. And finally, the early 1966, when | :17:42. | :17:45. | |
excitement was building in England about the foot or World Cup. The | :17:46. | :17:50. | |
organisers decided to put the famous Jules Rimet Trophy on display in | :17:51. | :17:56. | |
London. But, to their consternation, it went missing. Enter Pickles | :17:57. | :18:04. | |
mongrel, and this owner David Corbett. We were told when the cup | :18:05. | :18:08. | |
went in Hill that the most stringent security precautions were being | :18:09. | :18:13. | |
taken to protect it. Today, somehow, they failed. It was top news, and in | :18:14. | :18:20. | |
the morning the paper's headlines, World Cup stolen, and some critics | :18:21. | :18:24. | |
say the best police force in the world had lost the cup. We found out | :18:25. | :18:29. | |
that the security was really sparse. It was 170 odd-year-old guard | :18:30. | :18:35. | |
looking after it, and he had gone to his dinner break. -- one | :18:36. | :18:43. | |
70-year-old. I'm afraid that this present moment I am unable to make | :18:44. | :18:46. | |
any statement. I'm sure you appreciate the amount of pressure I | :18:47. | :18:49. | |
have been under. Once I have had the chance to gather my faculties, I | :18:50. | :18:54. | |
will talk with you and tell you everything I possibly can. Low back | :18:55. | :18:59. | |
the general feeling that the people had, that the police were not going | :19:00. | :19:06. | |
to find this cup. I took my dog Pickles out for a walk, and he | :19:07. | :19:13. | |
scooted round the front of the house, and he went over to the front | :19:14. | :19:18. | |
of my neighbour's car, and he was sniffing around. So I walked over to | :19:19. | :19:22. | |
put the lead on him, I noticed there was a package on the floor, wrapped | :19:23. | :19:27. | |
in newspaper, very tightly bound with string, all the way up. So | :19:28. | :19:33. | |
curiosity obviously, I bent down and picked it up, and I saw a bit of the | :19:34. | :19:39. | |
newspaper off, and I saw Brazil, Germany... Being a football fan, and | :19:40. | :19:46. | |
all the publicity going on about the cup, my heart started thumping, | :19:47. | :19:52. | |
bang. It is the World Cup! I said I'll take it up to the police | :19:53. | :19:59. | |
station. I jumped in the car, I've got these lax on in the top, and | :20:00. | :20:03. | |
slippers, I can remember pushing the doors open and going straight | :20:04. | :20:07. | |
through, and there is the sergeant standing behind the big, polished | :20:08. | :20:12. | |
desk, and I say to him, I think I have found the World Cup. And this | :20:13. | :20:17. | |
boss comes, and he says Wright, take up to Scotland Yard. And suddenly it | :20:18. | :20:23. | |
dawns me that I am number one suspect. After a couple of days, the | :20:24. | :20:26. | |
police came down, questioned me again, after that it stopped and | :20:27. | :20:32. | |
then I became a witness when the prosecution was brought against the | :20:33. | :20:39. | |
guys that stole it. It's all a bit bewildering for Pickles. For the | :20:40. | :20:41. | |
suddenly world-famous pooch, there is more glamour to follow. The | :20:42. | :20:46. | |
National sporting cloud honoured the finders, David Corbett and Pickles. | :20:47. | :20:51. | |
David Corbett uncovered a special treat for Pickles, but it is Turkey | :20:52. | :20:55. | |
or nothing these days. To honour David Corbett, a reward check for | :20:56. | :21:00. | |
?1000, resented by the cloud to Pickles and this owner. After the | :21:01. | :21:13. | |
game when we won the cup, we were invited to the reception in London, | :21:14. | :21:16. | |
and we drove up to the hotel, the road was completely blocked with | :21:17. | :21:18. | |
people, and there was a sort of big alchemy out the front of the team | :21:19. | :21:34. | |
out there. We went out with them, and Bobby Moore picked him up, and | :21:35. | :21:36. | |
the crowd was really, really excited for me. I think it's really exciting | :21:37. | :21:41. | |
for the whole country. Pickles helped me by this house, and he is | :21:42. | :21:47. | |
buried out of my garden, and a nice summer nights I go out there with a | :21:48. | :21:50. | |
nice glass of white wine and have a little talk to him, and cheers, | :21:51. | :21:58. | |
thanks, Picks. And that's all from Witness from this month. We will be | :21:59. | :22:03. | |
back with more stories of our Times told by people who were there. But | :22:04. | :22:07. | |
from me and the rest of the Witness team, goodbye. | :22:08. | :22:28. | |
With plenty of dry, occasionally sunny weather to come this weekend, | :22:29. | :22:34. |