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that attracted 10,000 pilots and some strange aircraft. | :00:00. | :00:00. | |
with Aaron and World Business Report. | :00:00. | :00:13. | |
Watch out for a hard landing in China. | :00:14. | :00:16. | |
Yes, one of the world's leading economists tells us, | :00:17. | :00:19. | |
the BBC, that he's worried about a slowdown in China. | :00:20. | :00:24. | |
In fact, he tells us it's the great threat to our global economy. | :00:25. | :00:27. | |
And as India prepares to launch its latest satellite | :00:28. | :00:33. | |
with five other countries piggy-backing on the same lift-off, | :00:34. | :00:35. | |
we're asking could rockets like this one be money-making machines | :00:36. | :00:38. | |
If you're tuning in for the first time, stay where you are because I'm | :00:39. | :00:59. | |
only asking for about eight minutes. This is a bite-size exciting | :01:00. | :01:02. | |
snapshot of the latest in business and money with lots going on. We | :01:03. | :01:07. | |
will talk about the India launch and oil and OPEC, does OPEC have any | :01:08. | :01:12. | |
power left? I don't know, we have an expert in the studio waiting right | :01:13. | :01:13. | |
over there. The former chief economist | :01:14. | :01:14. | |
of the International Monetary Fund has said that a slowdown in China | :01:15. | :01:17. | |
is the greatest threat Ken Rogoff said that a calamitous | :01:18. | :01:19. | |
hard landing for one of the main engines of global growth could not | :01:20. | :01:24. | |
be ruled out and that China has been slowing down faster | :01:25. | :01:28. | |
than official fugures suggest. So what is happening | :01:29. | :01:30. | |
with China's economy? China's borrowings hit $25.6 | :01:31. | :01:32. | |
trillion at the end of 2015. This figure includes government, | :01:33. | :01:35. | |
corporate and household borrowings. China's debt is now nearly 250% | :01:36. | :01:37. | |
greater than the value of what it produces | :01:38. | :01:39. | |
every year, or its GDP. This is due to Beijing's | :01:40. | :01:58. | |
repeated use of cheap credit This has unleashed a huge, | :01:59. | :02:03. | |
debt-fuelled spending binge. Ken Rogoff has been speaking | :02:04. | :02:18. | |
to our economics editor, There's no question it's really | :02:19. | :02:32. | |
China. China has been the engine of global growth, the US is picking up | :02:33. | :02:37. | |
but China has been really important and China is going through a big | :02:38. | :02:41. | |
political revolution, there's no question about that. The economy has | :02:42. | :02:45. | |
slowed down much more than the official official figures show and | :02:46. | :02:49. | |
if you want to look at a part of the world that has a debt problem, look | :02:50. | :02:53. | |
at China, they've had a credit fuelled growth and these things | :02:54. | :02:57. | |
don't go on forever. Everyone says China's different, the state owns | :02:58. | :03:01. | |
everything, they can control it but only to a point. I definitely worry | :03:02. | :03:06. | |
about China, a hard landing in China. We're having a pretty sharp | :03:07. | :03:11. | |
landing already and I worry about China becoming more of a problem. | :03:12. | :03:18. | |
We've taken it for granted that whatever Europe's doing, Japan's | :03:19. | :03:21. | |
doing, at least China is moving along and there isn't really a | :03:22. | :03:24. | |
substitute for China. I think India may come along some day, it's doing | :03:25. | :03:29. | |
better but it's fallen so far behind in size that it's not going to | :03:30. | :03:32. | |
compensate. That's definitely the area of the world I worry most | :03:33. | :03:37. | |
about. What could mitigate the risk of a Chinese hard landing, what | :03:38. | :03:42. | |
could China do and what could the rest of the world do? That's a | :03:43. | :03:46. | |
really tough question! Ideally you would like to regenerate growth and | :03:47. | :03:54. | |
be more on your feet when this happens so that when China starts | :03:55. | :03:57. | |
slowing down, Europe's doing better, the US is already doing better, | :03:58. | :04:00. | |
maybe some emerging markets doing better. You would like the rest of | :04:01. | :04:04. | |
the world not to be so dependent on China. But the IMF has marked down | :04:05. | :04:09. | |
its forecast of global growth nine years in a row, and certainly the | :04:10. | :04:13. | |
rumour is they are about to do it again in this forecast. In the early | :04:14. | :04:18. | |
stage it was the advanced countries, but for some time now it's been | :04:19. | :04:22. | |
China. And there are limits to what you can do when a country that big | :04:23. | :04:27. | |
is slowing down, and it can slow down a lot when it's growing that | :04:28. | :04:29. | |
fast, so there are limits. Ken Rogoff, one of the world's | :04:30. | :04:32. | |
leading economists. The world's top oil producers must | :04:33. | :04:37. | |
take a decision to stabilise prices according to Algeria's | :04:38. | :04:40. | |
energy minister, Members of the oil cartel OPEC | :04:41. | :04:41. | |
are in Algiers today for an energy conference, | :04:42. | :04:45. | |
ahead of informal talks I think it could be happening | :04:46. | :04:47. | |
tomorrow. Not too sure but we think. This gathering is significant, | :04:48. | :04:58. | |
because the last time members of the organisation | :04:59. | :05:01. | |
of Petroleum Exporting Countries met in Doha in April, | :05:02. | :05:03. | |
they failed to reach Oil prices have generally been | :05:04. | :05:05. | |
depressed after two years of oversupply, thanks in part | :05:06. | :05:17. | |
to deep disagreements between OPEC There are concerns that failing | :05:18. | :05:20. | |
to agree on a production freeze Colin Smith is the director of oil | :05:21. | :05:32. | |
and gas research at Panmure Gordon. Great to have you in, thanks for | :05:33. | :05:48. | |
coming in at this ungodly hour. OPEC, we keep hearing about the | :05:49. | :05:52. | |
gathering, they are having a sideline meeting of a sideline | :05:53. | :05:56. | |
meeting we keep hearing. My point is OPEC, who are they any more? It's | :05:57. | :06:01. | |
almost an organisation that was once mighty and powerful but has no power | :06:02. | :06:06. | |
today. OPEC could have the power but the policy was changed in 2014 in | :06:07. | :06:10. | |
November and there's no sign of that changing. While that stays the same | :06:11. | :06:16. | |
and OPEC isn't active then that's a problem. Remind people, why did | :06:17. | :06:21. | |
Saudi change the policy? They are the biggest member and they produced | :06:22. | :06:26. | |
the most. They are a third of OPEC production and they are the most | :06:27. | :06:29. | |
important member. They changed the policy because they could seek non- | :06:30. | :06:34. | |
production rising rapidly and they thought they had to take a stand. | :06:35. | :06:39. | |
I'm no expert, you are the expert, but didn't they get a bit miffed | :06:40. | :06:42. | |
about the Americans doing fracking and producing cheap oil in the | :06:43. | :06:47. | |
States and they wanted to price out the Americans? America was the | :06:48. | :06:51. | |
largest piece of incremental oil supply. Choosing a lower oil price | :06:52. | :06:56. | |
path was certainly intended or expected to put pressure on the | :06:57. | :07:00. | |
Americans and it has. US oil production is down about 1 million | :07:01. | :07:05. | |
barrels a day year-on-year, but one of the things causing OPEC some | :07:06. | :07:09. | |
banks at the moment is this loss of OPEC production is slowing down and | :07:10. | :07:12. | |
perhaps we will see an increase next year. The whole idea the market | :07:13. | :07:16. | |
might come in to balance this year now looks like it is fading into | :07:17. | :07:21. | |
next year, and that splitting extra pressure on the organisation, | :07:22. | :07:26. | |
especially the weaker members. And they are suffering, Russia, | :07:27. | :07:29. | |
Venezuela, because oil is in the price it used to be when they were | :07:30. | :07:35. | |
living off the land on it -- there's nothing going to happen in this, | :07:36. | :07:39. | |
they can't get to an agreement, can they? The Saudis, who took Iran... | :07:40. | :07:48. | |
Correct me if I'm wrong, when Iran was blacklisted, the Saudis came in | :07:49. | :07:52. | |
and they were happy to take Iran's market share, now the Saudis are | :07:53. | :07:56. | |
saying we will cut production if Iran does. Poor old Iran, they just | :07:57. | :08:01. | |
got back into the picture and they need to build up their economy. | :08:02. | :08:06. | |
Saudi Arabia isn't offering to cut production. Sorry, freeze it. What | :08:07. | :08:10. | |
we possibly got is a freeze but you're right, it's difficult to see | :08:11. | :08:13. | |
the policy conditions have changed but the big differences are that | :08:14. | :08:17. | |
Iran will be present at this meeting, it wasn't present at Doha | :08:18. | :08:22. | |
so when the Saudis effectively renege on what everybody thought was | :08:23. | :08:27. | |
going to be a reasonably common central outcome, Iran is here this | :08:28. | :08:31. | |
time around and on top of that, you have oil prices continuing to stay | :08:32. | :08:36. | |
very low -- consensual. We are down $10 year-on-year on average compared | :08:37. | :08:42. | |
to last year and it looks like market rebalancing will take another | :08:43. | :08:45. | |
year and there's more pressure in OPEC to see something done. I agree, | :08:46. | :08:50. | |
it's very hard to see a deal coming out of this. We will wait and see | :08:51. | :08:53. | |
but don't hold your breath. Colin, always a pleasure. Thank you, my | :08:54. | :08:55. | |
friend. Let's talk about this, putting | :08:56. | :09:02. | |
satellites into orbit. We know it's expensive but in India, India is | :09:03. | :09:06. | |
doing it cheaper than any other country. Their space agency ISRO has | :09:07. | :09:11. | |
found a way to make money by allowing followed, or in satellites | :09:12. | :09:15. | |
to piggyback off its launch vehicles. This is going up, five | :09:16. | :09:25. | |
other countries are piggybacking off the back, it's amazing how cheaply | :09:26. | :09:29. | |
they can do it but this is a bit of two of a money now? Yes. I spoke to | :09:30. | :09:36. | |
the head of India's space agency a month ago and he says they plan on | :09:37. | :09:42. | |
having one launch every month. -- bit of a moneyspinner now. We had | :09:43. | :09:46. | |
five foreign satellites go up today along with the main Indian | :09:47. | :09:51. | |
satellite. But in June there were 17 foreign satellites that went up into | :09:52. | :09:56. | |
space along with three other Indian satellite. What the space agency is | :09:57. | :10:00. | |
saying is that at the moment they've made more than $120 million from it. | :10:01. | :10:05. | |
They are trying to make their operations cost effective so | :10:06. | :10:07. | |
obviously there is a national requirement to send satellites to | :10:08. | :10:11. | |
space for Indian purposes, whether it is mapping walking indications, | :10:12. | :10:16. | |
but they're trying to make those operations more cost-effective and | :10:17. | :10:18. | |
that's good news for a country that's often been criticised for | :10:19. | :10:22. | |
spending money on a space programme when it's got so many other | :10:23. | :10:26. | |
problems. Short and sweet, I wish I had more because I've got lots of | :10:27. | :10:31. | |
other questions. That's it for now, though. I will be back with Adnan to | :10:32. | :10:37. | |
talk about the newspapers from around the world. Goodbye. | :10:38. | :10:39. |