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Good afternoon and welcome to MOTD2 Extra. On BBC Two, Radio 5 Live and

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BBC online. Joining me... The former Liverpool and Ireland defender Mark

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Lawrenson, Trevor Sinclair and food all right Neil Custis. Lots to talk

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about. You can get involved. Coming up... Leicester can go ten

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points clear for a couple of hours at least. With victory at Sunderland

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in the lunchtime kick-off. Tottenham face Man United at 4pm, looking to

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maintain pressure on the leaders. Asked's title hopes are surely over

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after they were held to a thrilling draw at West Ham and Newcastle

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suburb another blow in their fight for survival. The back pages this

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morning... Not a prayer, the headline on the back of the Sun

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newspaper. The Sunday mercy is Yaya Toure will hope to buy himself out

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of the final Europe is contract if Man City tried to make him see it

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out and the Express newspaper has this...

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Only one place to start. At the Stadium Of Light. Sunday host

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Leicester, a huge game at both ends of the table. Steve Wilson will

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commentate and he joins us. Four 1-0 wins for Leicester, they would take

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another one today? Absolutely, if they can extend that gap to ten

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points and exert pressure on Spurs in the Late Kick Off there will be

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huge celebrations. Great discipline from Leicester over recent weeks.

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The time for winning 3-2 and all of that is all gone. Only conceding

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seven goals in the last 15 Premier League games, absolutely magnificent

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at this stage. It's unquestioningly there is to lose. For Sunderland,

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four draws in a row, not really enough, they need wins. I don't

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know... They need to keep in touch with Norwich, an enormous game next

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weekend at Carrow Road against Norwich City and the outcome today

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might decide on who needs what. A drop might suit Norwich a little

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better if Sunderland don't get anything today but if they do,

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Norwich might need more than a draw. It will be absolutely crucial, the

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game at Carrow Road but what we know, if Sunderland win today they

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will only be a point behind Norwich as they go to Carrow Road and they

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will have a game in hand. I think Sunderland Boswell in January. The

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drawers will be frustrating to some Allardyce but the important thing,

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their level of performance has been quite high, Kershaw has been

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excellent. You don't have to have a name beginning with the letter K to

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win but it helps. I still quite fancy Sunderland to get themselves

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out of this but I think it will be them or Norwich. A consequence of a

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Sunderland win will be Aston Villa relegated today because of the fact

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Sunderland play Norwich next weekend. Three points per Sunderland

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today and the awful season for Aston Villa reaches its inevitable

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conclusion, they would be relegated this afternoon. Thank you. Mark

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Lawrenson, for Leicester... They haven't conceded in six and a half

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hours of football at 1-0 wins, it's not comparable. It is if you win and

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there is nothing wrong with it. It is how you win the league. It's not

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about winning games I three goals, it's winning when you don't play

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especially well. They have the good, defence platform. Everyone keeps

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talking about the two centre-backs... The protection in

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front, I think they enjoyed offending. When they play that way

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and they can break quickly, absolutely perfect. Only lost three

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games all season, staggering. Incredible, and what's coming out of

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the dressing room is no pressure. But as it gets close to that point,

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it must be building. But I think Claudio Ranieri has done a great

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job, he makes the players concentrate on the next game, a lot

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of players or three games ahead, but they have to beat Sunderland or not

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lose away to Sunderland. You have a lot of selfless players in that

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group, not bothering about getting the limelight, happy to work hard,

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keep a clean sheet, a couple of special players, they have not been

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scoring as freely as they were earlier in the season but a couple

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of very talented players. Look at the expansive football that

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Liverpool play. They were favourites to win the league, winning 3-2, you

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don't win the league like that, you keep clean sheets, getting drawers

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if you need to away from home and winning games by the odd goal and

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that's what they are doing. The Italian heritage of the managers

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coming through. I expect that to continue. Trevor mentioned this

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letter players, Jamie Vardy, Riyad Mahrez, but defensively so solid.

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Absolutely, they defend. They do the job. They enjoyed offending, it

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looks so solid over recent weeks. -- they enjoyed defending. Each game

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seems to have been like the one they need to win the title and they have

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been clinging on. Sweaty palms and the crowd and everything!

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Eventually, you wonder, does the will take its toll? I can see this

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being a draw today and Tottenham beating Man United and then comes

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the test. That is the first time people will say, right, we are

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coming back, Tottenham are coming back at you, can you handle it? And

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that's when you find out what the team is about but it has the

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ingredients to handle it because of the atmosphere, certainly. The

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spirit within the team. And the manager. He has done the most

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remarkable job. People have been trying to make comparisons with

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knots Forest, this would be the greatest story ever because

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everything in football nowadays is set up for Leicester not to win, the

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financial reward for how how you finish, Champions League money,

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everything is set up for them not to win the title and that's why this

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would be the greatest. They are living the dream. They have put

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pressure on other clubs. The reason Martinez may be getting stick at

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Everton... Why are we down here, there will be thinking. Other clubs

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are under pressure. They have adapted well, men behind the ball.

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At times, they have had more possession than the opposition and

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they played Tic Tac... It's not about defending, being tied. They

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have adapted well in certain games, I wouldn't be surprised if they had

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most possession today against Sunderland, away from home. That

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might help with the pressure not on them as much. They've all be able to

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play a little more freely and that could help. They are quite physical.

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Very physical. A lot of things they seem to get away with. It is a tough

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game. Sunderland look like a team that wants to stay up, you can say

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that about Newcastle. Sam has done a great job since he has gone in

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there. He is recruiting as it is every work, it has been excellent,

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adding to what they have and he has lifted everything, unlucky not to

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have about four more points. I was at the game against West Brom last

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week and they battered them. The head in three games before that,

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drawing the last four, getting the goal ahead doesn't seem to be the

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problem that holding onto it. The performances have been better.

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Absolutely. The Man City game, they should have won but they lost. They

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have got goals. More goals in them than those around them. Look at the

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players Sam brought in. They needed more defensively. Cats three, look

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at Defoe... A great finisher but he needs someone to supply it. Not the

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finished article, as fit as he wants to be, but he's made a difference,

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he's brought creativity to the team. Yes. You know... Sam used to get

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criticised by managers like Arsene Wenger, saying it will all

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physicality and the long ball. Bolton were a much better team than

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that. You don't play the long ball all the time. There is a lot more to

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Sam Allardyce and everywhere he has been, the club has been resolved

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when he leaves. The question... Mark... Do Sunderland stay up? Yes.

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Trevor? Yes. I would swap Sunderland and Norwich, I think. I can see

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Sunderland getting the result next week. The experience of the manager,

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Alex Neil has done a fantastic job at the experience of the manager and

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the players at his disposal, Sam has a better squad, a couple of games in

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hand. In the long run, the middle of May, they will have more points. A

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bit of a feel-good factor about them. All clubs under threat, seems

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to be more positivity around Sunderland than everyone else.

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Norwich put in a good stint at Crystal Palace yesterday but they

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could have got something, it would have been huge for them. They should

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have got the penalty. Let's move to the other end of the table, Arsenal

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ten points behind Leicester following the brilliant 3-3 draw at

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West Ham, great viewing. Not so great for Arsenal, here's Arsene

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Wenger, speaking to Jonathan Pearce. For about ten minutes, the defence

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was wobbly. You are powerless to stop them, it is up to the players

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themselves? Look... I am not here after the game to blame absolutely

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the players. I think we were disappointed to have conceded three

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goals, when you are 2-0 up, and I think we were especially look at

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ourselves on that. It is a shame. Because it was a good football game

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but not the result we wanted. Trevor, two goals up, they blew it,

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didn't they? Does that sum up their season? They have had lots of

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opportunities, look at the squad they have. The situation at

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Leicester, what they have put themselves in, Arsenal will be

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kicking themselves. They have the players to have mounted a proper

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challenge the title this they should be in front, the top of the league,

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but players, at the wrong moment, not producing the goods, it's always

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the big games. If Arsenal win this you think they will be flying and

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they always seem to fail at the last hurdle. 2-0 up at Upton Park, West

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Ham doing well this year, 2-0 up, they should be able to see the game

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out, scoring 3-0 away from home, the defence had not stood up to the

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test. Defensively, decisions that Arsene Wenger made, Per Mertesacker

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on the bench, not coming on and playing any part... But at 2-0 up,

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he made a great decision. That was the Arsenal of the last five

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seasons, in the 90 plus minutes, everything that is good about them,

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lots of things, bad against them. It will be another season of glorious

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failure, I am afraid. I believe Arsene Wenger came out and didn't

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realise Andy Carroll was playing. If he thought there was a problem,

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having Andy Carroll playing against two central defenders come he

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could've changed. For me, playing against Andy Carroll, he is, at

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times, the right ball going into the box, he can be unplayable. Per

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Mertesacker may have helped playing Petr Cech may have helped even more,

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but a player of his ability in the error, you have got to either stop

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the ball going wide, going into the box or stop across us. He did

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neither and they were punished severely. Tactically, if you cannot

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stop that, forget about the manager. As a team, taking the

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responsibility, we cannot let the ball going to the box, let's get

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closer, it's not good enough. I agree. Because the third goal, the

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equaliser, was sensational. A goal only Arsenal could probably score

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because it was sensational. That is what they are about, that is the

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frustration. Again, the banners about Arsene Wenger, the age-old

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question, be careful what you wish for, the consistency is incredible,

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all of this, but you will not know what Arsenal can do unless... You

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make the change and do something. Is this the season to do that? It's

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been more stark this time because of the challenge, not coming from the

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big powers. Arsenal, Man City, even Man United, are going to be kicking

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themselves at the end of the season, no matter what happens. What, Andy

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Carroll... Talk about the Arsenal deficiency but Andy Carroll was

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sensational. He should be a 50 cap England star, regarded as one of the

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best strikers in Europe, but the manager Slaven Bilic alluded to it,

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about questioning how dedicated he is to his job as a footballer. And

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the question now is should he go away with England? No. The reason I

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would say no is because I think he has the ability and defences would

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hate being against him... He would have to change the way he plays. He

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will get fouls against him all the time. He is way down the list of

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strikers. England have a luxury of strikers. But not who can do what he

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does. But how often does he do it? I'll often is he playing for West

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Ham? You are going back to the dark ages. People said Jack Wilshire

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should be playing but if you say how often does he play? But I don't

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think he should go anyway! That is fine and I appreciate that. I am

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with that, playing week in and week out, you should be considered. Not

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playing but you have done something in the past to get into the

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tournament, then why would you be considered if you have not played

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all season? Not only considered but played when it comes to the big

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game, not relying on what people have done, you are informed.

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Do West Ham have to get to the FA Cup final for him to go? If he has a

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big season does he then go? If he played like he did yesterday, I

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think he should go. Because he brings something different. On the

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floor, he is superb. He has a very good touch. He doesn't play.

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Exactly, but that is not his fault. He is now a father, I think he is

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taking the game more seriously and hopefully West Ham will see him

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more. I do not think he goes. Lots of opinions on Andy Carroll, let's

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hear what Slaven Bilic had to say. Andy Carroll, the decision to bring

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him back in, strong, powerful, took his goals. Everything. It is

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impossible to stop him. Just watch his work great, watch how he tries

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to get a ball from them, keeping the ball, laying it off. The third goal,

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a great example, he got the ball, 50 yards, got the far post and scored

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the goals. With headers he is the best in the world may be. It is not

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only heading, he has got to stay away from those injuries and live.

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He is a professional, but he has to be totally dedicated to the career,

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to football. That is Slaven Bilic's thoughts, plenty coming in on social

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media. Luke says Andy Carroll is so much more inconsistent than Daniel

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Sturridge and way more injury prone. Another says I did not see him for

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the first 43 minutes, but I would take him if only as a sub. Daniel

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says we should not get carried away by his hat-trick, he may have a dry

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spell between now and the end of the season. You are the anyone who

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thinks he should not go to the Euros. There are better players in

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front of him. Is he not developed enough? He does not play another. Is

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that down to him? Yes, he is injury prone. How many games as he started

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for West Ham? Not that many. Harry Kane, Jamie Vardy, Rooney,

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Sturridge, Danny Welbeck. They are better players, the game is

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completely different, it is not just whack it into the middle and fight.

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He is not just that though. When has he ever been outstanding? I would

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take him over Danny Welbeck. Good luck with that one. There are still

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more games to go. Let's have a look at it at the end of the season.

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Let's judge him then, if he scores six or seven goals towards the end

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of the season, he has to be considered. He brings a different

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game plan to the England squad. We will see what Roy Hodgson thinks. We

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will go back to the Stadium Of Light and get the team news for the game

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between Sunderland and Leicester from Ian Dennis. Both teams are

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unchanged. Sunderland are looking to close the gap on Norwich, four

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points adrift with two games in hand. They play at Carrow Road next

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weekend. Aston Villa are relegated because of the match in East Anglia.

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Leicester City, six points required the Champions League football and 12

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points required for the title from the remaining six games. An

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unchanged side. Updates of that match on radio five live and you can

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hear at four o'clock, Tottenham against Manchester United. Tottenham

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are chasing Leicester at the top, what impact will Leicester's result

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have on Tottenham players as they head out? It depends what it is. It

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does matter. If Leicester win today, it is like crikey. Manchester United

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are better against the top teams, I am just getting over Sam Wood the

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shades when he got off the bus! -- Sam with the shades. On a penalty

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shoot out, do you go first or second, I go first. If you score,

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you put the other team under pressure. If you miss, you put the

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other team under pressure. If Leicester can get the result and

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win, it puts Tottenham under pressure. Even if they lose, it is

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still pressure. Tottenham have to make up for that and beat Manchester

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United at home, a big task. Tottenham play after Leicester

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almost every game this season, how big an advantage is that for

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Leicester? As Marcus said, if they get the win... If they go ten points

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ahead, it could be dispiriting for Tottenham. When they drew at

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Liverpool, it was not a points dropped, they drew at Liverpool, it

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was a good result. Whatever they do, it is not making an impact because

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Leicester keep on doing it. If Leicester win today, it is

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dispiriting, that will have an effect on them. If they lose, they

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will come out fine. They are not playing the best United team ever.

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They have had a few clean sheets, this is far from a good Manchester

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United team they are playing. Do you try to hide the result if you are

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the Tottenham manager? You can't, it is impossible. Social media,

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totally. Impossible, can't do it. I remember when United and city were

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going at it for the title and they were actually watching the Everton

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game on the television on the bus on the way to Wolves and they saw

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Everton get the latest two goals and they knew it was in their hands and

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that had a huge impact on them. You do not need a team talk. It is done.

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There was cheering on the bus and they were flying. It was not because

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they got any cake! Laughter it was a big game for Manchester United. How

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vital is it for Louis van Gaal? I still think there will be a change

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in the summer, but he does not want to leave with them outside the top

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four, he would love to leave with the FA Cup. No matter what happens

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between now and the end of the season, Manchester United fans

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cannot forget what they have had to watch over the last 18 months. It is

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some of the worst football they have played for three decades. They have

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not forgotten that. They think if we win, we will be stuck with him next

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season, that is how they are thinking. I do not think United fans

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will stand for having him again next season. What about Tottenham's

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standard of play? He came out with this bizarre... If David Moyes had

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said some of the things that Louis van Gaal had said... About Harry

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Kane all Rooney? He said that the teams at the bottom park the bus.

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Teams have been parking the bus against Manchester United for 30

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years. The top teams used to park the bus against Manchester United,

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they do not now, because they are easier to beat. It is a bizarre

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thing to say, he says it in a confident way and you walk on and

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then you think what is he on about? If you are a top team and you are

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playing a lesser team, of course they will play at the bottom,

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individually the players are not good enough to compete. They parked

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the bus, they play on the counterattack. I don't think they

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park the bus at matched United, they have a go, because they know they

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can win. At Old Trafford it has ever been easier to go and play. The fear

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factor is gone. Completely gone. I remember David Moyes actually saying

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when you used to go to Old Trafford, you wanted to get out of there with

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something without being humiliated. Without being smashed. Teams would

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be destroyed in the opening few minutes. Norwich went there this

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season and had a go from the start. They did not park the bus, they know

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they can score. Manchester United, a couple of wins, they have the FA Cup

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against West Ham, the replay. Could this in no way define their season

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this week coming up? Absolutely, a huge game today. If they go to White

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Hart Lane and not lose, that is a really good result. The results

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against the top teams suggest that they could get something. Midweek

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against West Ham at Upton Park, a very difficult game. I watch the

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game at Old Trafford in the first game. Before the replay. They were

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lucky to get anything out of that game, a great free kick. They got

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themselves back in the game. This next two games could define how

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their season pans out. Neil has already said you do not think Louis

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van Gaal will be here next season, what about you, Trevor and Mark,

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does he stay? If he finishes top four and gets the FA Cup, it is

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difficult to get rid of him. Being honest, the fans have given him a

:26:10.:26:13.

chance, they wanted to like him. I do not think they appreciate the

:26:14.:26:16.

football he has brought to Old Trafford, but the results of recent

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weeks and months have not been too bad. They have put themselves in a

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position where they could make the top four and they can win the FA

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Cup. If they could get the semifinal of the FA Cup and it may go right to

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the wire, you would expect him to stay. If they get in the top four

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and they win a major trophy, it would be difficult to get rid of

:26:38.:26:42.

him. I think he will be out with the empties to be honest. The whole

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thing about Renee, if he has not been told of getting the job, why

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isn't his agent pushing him for other jobs. -- about Jose Mourinho.

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It has gone so quiet. If they pass up this chance to get him as when

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Sir and retired, it will not come around again. Whatever you say about

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him, people say he will not bring the youth through, he is a winner.

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-- when Sir Alex retired. They are up against Pep Guardiola. They have

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got to get him or I think there will be a mess. You can see that match

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between Manchester United and West Ham in the FA Cup replay on BBC TV

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on Wednesday night. You can listen on BB see radio five live -- BBC.

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Here is Rafa Benitez. Normally when you are in the position that we are,

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it is more difficult, especially at the start of the games. You have

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this situation that you are under pressure, you make more mistakes. It

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is normal to make mistakes, but we need to show more character in the

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second half. The only positive is we have four games at home and the team

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is reacting, it is reacting late, but it is reacting. We have to make

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sure the team will start the game is in the same way we finished the game

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is and hopefully we will have chances to win. Big words from

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inside the dressing room after that game. They need to play with more

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heart, they do not show an assist -- show enough desire, some of the

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comments. I think it is pathetic. It is the worst team I have seen from

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Newcastle in terms of passion, dedication, effort. The recruitment

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has been terrible, they are bringing in players and telling them it could

:28:50.:28:54.

be a stepping stone to something else, how they can be dedicated to

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Newcastle I do not know. The sad thing is you still get the 55,000

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going, we have mentioned every week, but I think they go as a social

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thing, they don't go to watch the football, they go to see their

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mates. You go every other week. It is pathetic. Those players will go

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down in information the way they have adapted to this season. It has

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been pathetic. The white fight has waived, at 2-0, the white flag was

:29:26.:29:29.

waived. They started to show some fight when they were 3-0 down. That

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tells you everything about them, we can play now, because the pressure

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is off. That is what Aston Villa did at Manchester City the other week,

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no chance. One point from the last 21 available, it is relegation for

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them. It is relegation. We will not sit here and pretend it is easy.

:29:52.:29:55.

When you are down there and fighting for your survival in the Premier

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League, it is difficult, I have been there and done it. It does not come

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down to ability, it comes down to what is in your heart. Your

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mentality. Looking at the effort and commitment, the desire. Players like

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that are milky players, Fairweather players. I like my tea brew stroll

:30:15.:30:22.

and -- brewed strong. Too much milk in their team. When it is not going

:30:23.:30:28.

well, the players go missing, they - the ball and they do not have what

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it takes. Stephen Tapper did not play well yesterday, he would be the

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first to admit that, but he is a player who I would look at and say

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he would want him next year. They did not show that yesterday, he made

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a mistake. Janmaat. I am not sure if he came off because his pride was

:30:51.:30:55.

hurt. That is just me, we have conceded the goal, I would have to

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get stretchered off to come off, I would be embarrassing, off.

:30:59.:31:08.

Neil will know this, have they got clauses in their contract, if they

:31:09.:31:14.

go to the championship, they get cut up their money? He is someone... If

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you are having a red scrap, he can have a tackle. -- if you are having

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a right scrap. I am not sure his heart is in the game for Newcastle.

:31:31.:31:36.

Over three transfer windows, they spent 120 million quid, you can't

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point the finger at Mike Ashley and say he hasn't invested. You can add

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agreement car, spent 120 million, not one decent goal-scorer. -- you

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can point the finger at Graham car. Tactically, early doors, four

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players, squeezing against Newcastle. Try to play couple of

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times, the defence... I think at Dagenham Redbridge would have done

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yesterday, no disrespect to them. You mentioned Rafael Benitez... John

:32:15.:32:18.

Carver... Three manager since the end of last season, none of them

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have been able to get the team going, izzard managers or players?

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Neil? I would point the finger at recruitment, the recruitment of

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players has been awful. No players who would fight for Newcastle,

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again, the theory about the transfers, bringing them in young,

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we can sell them on... Aston Villa tried that. We saw how well that has

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gone. It's the recruit and. Looking at the pictures... Southampton have

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done it. Because the recruitment has been better. By dumping Steve

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McClaren is a bad manager... He's more passionate about Newcastle than

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John Carver. Rafa Benitez has come into a situation for the first time

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in his career, he has seen players who are not listening. Steve

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McClaren was having a crisis meeting every two weeks. That tells you

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everything. Open letters to the fans. It tells you everything about

:33:20.:33:28.

the players. Look at Cissokho. He is six foot two, everything you want as

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a player, where is he? Jonjo Shelvey... I have not seen anything

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from him. Look at the goal that Townsend scored, fantastic

:33:39.:33:40.

individual goal but it's not enough. You need more from the team, the

:33:41.:33:47.

team spirit and I don't censored. Crystal Palace all but secured their

:33:48.:33:51.

survival yesterday with a 1-0 over Norwich, here's Alan Pardew.

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You skipped into the injured crew room with a big smile in your step

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and a smile on your face, tell us how you feel. -- a big jump. I don't

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normally get tense but I could censored, sometimes the media can

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keep reminding you, trailing it into you and into you and in the end, you

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have got to carry it. That big burden, the run of games. I wanted

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to give them a steady hand today and can then down a little bit at

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half-time. And they delivered. We were better second half, great goal.

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I was pleased to see we handled the last period of the game very well.

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The first league win of the year for Crystal Palace. A golfer Jason

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Puncheon, we spoke about the lack of hard at Newcastle, Jason Puncheon in

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tears about goal, that is the desire you want, Trevor? He loves that

:34:52.:34:54.

club, he's from the area, his family live there. His second game back. He

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is desperate to get a result then that's his first game this season,

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great timing, great technique. Break it down, great touch. Steady finish.

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Look at the emotion afterwards. It shows you how much it means to him

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and the players. Both sides played with more desire, more effort, more

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desperation, the realisation of the situation by Newcastle. The castle

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could take a leaf out of the books of both teams. Former Newcastle

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manager Alan Pardew, safe now with Crystal Palace? As we often say,

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there is one that suddenly drops into it and they were looking like

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that. They haven't won a game this year, only winning ten all season.

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It was vital for them, had they not one that, it would start to play on

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our minds, are we the team that will drop? The unwanted party at the

:35:54.:35:57.

bottom. But there was a clear penalty. The other team were

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unfortunate, a big moment. Palace got a big colt last week at West

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Ham. Maybe the luck is changing. I am not sure. The one yesterday?

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Delaney... It was not as clear. If that was on you you would be

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screaming for it. It was not as clear as the one on mine Gala. He

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was kind of going in ten, a little bit on the shoulder. I think it is a

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foul anywhere on the pitch. He barged into him. A little bit more

:36:33.:36:37.

from the side. Doesn't matter if you knock it over. You are allowed to

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shoulder charge. The ball wasn't under control, it was coming into

:36:44.:36:49.

him. Some people could say he has gone through the back of him but I

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don't think he did, the manager said it was one of them... You would have

:36:53.:36:56.

felt partially done to you that was a game against you. Tough for

:36:57.:37:01.

Norwich, Sunderland next. Is that a decider? Not necessarily the

:37:02.:37:05.

decider, we don't know what the result will be today. An

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unbelievably massive game, the irony as well, the game against Newcastle

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last week, it was mad, wasn't it? 2-2, going on to win the game. A

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massive game. They are showing some great. At the right time. I think

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so, a couple of good wins recently. Alex Neil, definitely deserves some

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credit. For or five weeks ago I thought they were dead and buried.

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-- four. The energy from the manager wasn't inspiring the players, for

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some unknown reason, you have got to credit the character of Alex Neil,

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he found it within himself to lift himself and the players, get

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performances. Unfortunate at Selhurst Park not to come away with

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anything. Playing well enough to give them hope. Should have had a

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penalty as well. Apparently not, according to Trevor. I am not sure

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how many games they have left at home but Carol Road is atmospheric.

:38:08.:38:12.

Not a big round. No negativity from the fans. They know they have been

:38:13.:38:17.

in a scrap, not pointing the finger is, they are really behind that team

:38:18.:38:22.

and I think the games at Carol Road could prove crucial. From a players

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point of view, it's miles away from every club. For every club who goes

:38:29.:38:33.

there, it's a sleepover, it does affect players. The preparation... I

:38:34.:38:38.

used to cover them for the local paper and it was a six-hour round

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trip for a local derby. In the top league. You are right, takes ages.

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But it's likely only... We are starting to feel sorry for them. A

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sleepover! This round trip... It's what happens, isn't it? That is

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life. The Norwich when having an impact on the table, Aston Villa

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live to fight another day, it might be... I know that... They were

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beaten by Bournemouth yesterday, did you see any signs of improvement?

:39:10.:39:17.

These last five games, it's embarrassing, they gave up the ghost

:39:18.:39:20.

two months ago, goodness knows what will happen in these last games. It

:39:21.:39:24.

is pathetic, what they have done. I have never known three clubs of this

:39:25.:39:30.

size in the bottom three, we were talking about the combined

:39:31.:39:38.

attendance... It shouldn't... But again... Aston Villa, like Newcastle

:39:39.:39:42.

in terms of recruitment and people meddling with the manager and

:39:43.:39:46.

telling him what players he should take, Tim Sherwood, they had a good

:39:47.:39:49.

manager there. It messed about with him. I have to say that, I am on

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with him later. If you don't give the manager full responsibility of

:39:57.:40:00.

the recruit and, the players that he brings in, how can you hold him

:40:01.:40:05.

accountable? You cannot. Remi Garde could not buy a player in January,

:40:06.:40:10.

what was that about? The writing was on the wall, conceding 64 goals,

:40:11.:40:14.

tempered people, they could get relegated today, he could have got

:40:15.:40:18.

relegated yesterday. It's imperative they get a manager in shortly, he

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will have four or five games to work out who he wants to get out the

:40:25.:40:28.

door. Why is that taking so long? The same with Newcastle, they are

:40:29.:40:33.

down there because they are not doing well. You don't expect them to

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be world beaters but what you expect, as soon as they crossed the

:40:39.:40:43.

flightline, to give everything, blood, sweat and tears and I didn't

:40:44.:40:48.

see that yesterday. Players, 19 and 20, giving him his debut, Eric

:40:49.:40:53.

Black, the caretaker manager, giving him the debut in a game like that, I

:40:54.:40:58.

don't fancy my debut in a game like that, the fans are walking out.

:40:59.:41:03.

Forgettable occasion. Possibly not one for him to remember but we

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should credit or not. I have to admit, I didn't think they would

:41:09.:41:12.

survive this season, but they are a fantastic. Most of us were that way,

:41:13.:41:17.

we thought, Bournemouth Whidbey last year's Burnley and we were all

:41:18.:41:20.

patting them on the head and saying you have done really well. The great

:41:21.:41:27.

thing is the manager hasn't changed his philosophy or the way he plays

:41:28.:41:31.

football and he has brought players into play that particular way and

:41:32.:41:34.

all the players who have come through the divisions, how well have

:41:35.:41:39.

they done? They are almost as big a story as Leicester. There was a

:41:40.:41:43.

stage of the season they could have wobbled. I think again, the game at

:41:44.:41:53.

Bournemouth, they played Aston Villa, first game of the season,

:41:54.:41:56.

they played well, there were signs they could do well. They have not

:41:57.:42:00.

change the philosophy, still play the game that Eddie Howe wants them

:42:01.:42:05.

to play, pressing game, the second fittest team in the Premier League.

:42:06.:42:09.

The play football and when they had an injury to Wilson, they adapted,

:42:10.:42:13.

brought in players that they needed to go to the next level. They've

:42:14.:42:17.

done that, Fairplay to the entire club. They deserve credit. Great to

:42:18.:42:22.

see Callum Wilson back on the pitch. That's finished by talking about

:42:23.:42:28.

Everton, drawing 1-1 at Watford, banners in the crowd saying Roberto

:42:29.:42:31.

Martinez should be sacked, he is under pressure, what's your

:42:32.:42:36.

thoughts? The problem is they keep losing in front of most of their

:42:37.:42:39.

fans which is at home. Look at the away record, tremendous, they keep

:42:40.:42:43.

losing at home. I think that is unfair. They could be in the FA Cup

:42:44.:42:52.

final. In the semifinals of the FA Cup but at home, they've been bad. I

:42:53.:42:56.

said earlier, Everton fans are looking at what the likes of

:42:57.:42:58.

Leicester and Tottenham are doing and the players they have got and

:42:59.:43:02.

thinking, why are we doing the same and I think they are starting to

:43:03.:43:05.

appreciate the organisation David Moyes brought to a team which they

:43:06.:43:10.

haven't got now. Which they didn't have under Martin is at Wigan,

:43:11.:43:15.

either. And I think they are looking at that and appreciating it. A

:43:16.:43:18.

couple of my mates are big Evertonians and they say we are like

:43:19.:43:23.

Wigan but that players. That is what they say. They go every single week.

:43:24.:43:29.

I did not say that, they did. I do not think the banner is unfair. We

:43:30.:43:35.

have a democracy. Look at the gold thread Everton have, the

:43:36.:43:39.

midfielders... You should not be in the position they are in. Martin is

:43:40.:43:45.

could do with a little bit of help. Thank you very much. That is all we

:43:46.:43:49.

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