11/12/2016 MOTD2 Extra

Good afternoon, welcome to Match Of The Day 2 Extra on BBC Two

Joining me today are Matthew Upson, Mark Schwarzer and James Ducker.

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Over the next 45 minutes or so we will be discussing the following,

hat-trick for Jamie Vardy, Arsenal went top yesterday but Chelsea will

replace them if they avoid defeat in the early game today at home to West

Brom. We will keep you across that. Second win for Bob Radley's Swansea.

And we will be live at Old Trafford as well where it is six against

fifth, Manchester United hosting Spurs.

Jamie Vardy dominates the back pages. The Sunday people says 'Three

Vard trick trumps Pep's jokers'. The Sunday Express says Slaven Bilic has

until Christmas to turn around West Ham's fortunes, which if you

actually think about it, is not that far away! So, let's start with

Leicester's thrashing of Manchester City at the King Power. Before we

talk to everybody in the studio, here are the thoughts of Pep

Guardiola with Jonathan Pearce. Football is a game of two teams. I

think today, I will never complain to my players so I have to look

inside myself what I had to do. They have to follow me. We have problems,

a lot of problems. How long do you think it will take for the players

to really understand the Pep Guardiola way? I don't know. In the

beginning it was quickly, now it will be even longer, but I see them

every day and to change the mentality, to change what we want,

so maybe we need to leave more time. That makes complete sense, doesn't

it that they need more time? If we say Bob Bradley of Swansea needs

more time there is no reason why it Pep Guardiola should not need more

time? I completely agree. He wants to come in and change the way they

play. For a lot of players it is a new way to play. They hit the ground

running at the beginning but now they have hit a wall. The last

weekend 's game against Chelsea they should have had it dead and buried

three or four macro nil. Then once they scored the goal Manchester City

looked like they were gone. Is there a an argument that things should be

kept simple while you tried to make a foothold? Think things would be

kept simple more if there was not time that I would assume he has been

guaranteed time and rightly so to make the level of changes he is

making. Keeping it simple would probably enhance the immediate

results they would be getting but he would not be influencing the players

with his philosophy as much. The balance for him is a difficult one

but it looks like he is very heavily committed to that change. The stats

on changes are ridiculous really. They are frightening really. Has

been lot said about he made 50 changes to his starting XI in the

Premier League. For me, the bigger change is the personnel at the back.

There have been 25 personnel changes at the back. As Matthew will know,

if you look at the best sides down the years, they have had some

constituency in selection at the back. Isn't half pairing who know

each other, a goalkeeper who is experienced, -- a centre-half

pairing. We were talking of air, I feel sorry for John Stones. Two

full-backs playing alongside him in the back three. There is a lot of

talk about philosophy but for me, I think it comes down to poor

defending, some basics, players out of position, lack of concentration

and lack of aggression. But all of that adds up when you talk about

players not being focused and understanding what they need. When

you change so many things, you cannot focus on the basics. The

basics of defending, dealing with crosses, all of those things happen

when you are comfortable in your surroundings and environment and I

don't think the back four or three are at the moment. They want to play

at the back. Very rarely do you see any of their players lob it forward

and they do against Leicester when Fernando knocked a really hard ball

back to Stones on the goal-line and he had no other option, he had to

well it up the pitch. For me, you have to pick and choose when you

stay out. Sometimes you have to go right and go down the channel.

Everyone wants to see perfect football. If you look at the average

positions of Manchester City players in the first half, and they did say

last night, it was difficult to work out for a example where Zabaleta was

playing, you can see their, Matthew, that Kolarov is a long way away from

John Stones and Bacary Sagna. He is further forward. You can feel sorry

for John Stones, you can. He is so isolated. As a young player he will

have his own development programme going on as well. Although they have

paid 50 million pounds for him here still a young player and learning

the game. To be in that situation when you have two possible

full-backs playing quite high up at the back, there are three at

Leicester who are very direct, very physical, a lot of pace in the team,

it is always going to be a difficult afternoon. Can you both talk to me,

Guardiola talked about he is not a coach who does tackling. Have you

been in squads where tackling is coached. There is an argument to

agree with Guardiola, that by the time you are a professional

footballer you probably ought to know how to tackle. You should know

and do my hole professional career I did think I was ever taught a

tackling drill. Obviously, you do one-on-ones where it is part of the

drill, but not just tackling. The last time I ever saw it happen was

when I was a kid in a local football club. Most managers would talk about

tackling as a mentality and as an attitude of the individual or the

team and we need to roll our sleeves up today and get stuck into the

team, which will mean anticipating second balls, tackling and being

physical. It is more a mentality than a technical skill than having

to teach a player how to tackle. I sometimes wonder if Guardiola thinks

it is a dirty word! Early in the season David Silva was brought into

central midfield and was very effective. He was not diving in and

lunging recklessly but he was very effective at winning the ball. I

think maybe in this country we have a certain view of it. I think for me

there is pressure on the ball, there is being sensible, there is not

diving in. Nicolas Otamendi was suspended yesterday. He does this a

lot. Just to play devils advocate with you. He has had players

tackling at Bayern Munich and Barcelona in the past. He has had

players who have been very effective at it. He has had players who have

allied a silky side with an aggression. Even some of his most

creative players had a steely side. It is such a great part of the game.

You sit at a football stadium, what gets the biggest cheer, a goal or a

tackle? You want to see someone commit to a tackle 100%. The teams

he has generally managed don't have to tackle. If they were more precise

and effective with their possession they should not have to tackle very

much. He is not used to having a group of players where he have to

start working on being defensive and tackle a little bit and being more

organised. He wants to have the ball. He wants to be organised with

the ball. How much of his training in the week will focus on out of

position tackling? Zero! We're back to talking about when you change

something, you cannot focus on every aspect of the game. He's picking

something which is when they are in possession and the other side...

That is the difference, coaching out of possession is something that

would regularly happen? Shyama Perera. Rather than coaching

tackling? Most managers would look at the club and seeing how solid

they are. When we were at Chelsea we were talking about playing

Manchester United or Spurs and if you come up against certain threats,

you'd say this is what we have to do, this is how we have to engage

them at certain points. They tuck in really deep and narrow and they

switch the ball quickly. They do it at clubs like Chelsea. Obviously,

this is your patch, James, Manchester City's hierarchy, the

situation in the central defence and full-backs has been a regular

discussion with Manchester City for maybe a couple of years is the first

point so should they have sorted it out? And secondly, they might have

known they were getting Guardiola for a year or 18 months, I don't

know, you will have heard different things, could they have put players

in place to suit what Guardiola wants to do in advance of him

arriving? They thought they were doing that with Mangala who cost ?40

million and Nicolas Otamendi who cost ?32 million and they have had

sent halves before that who have not come off. They wanted to sign the

Athletic Bilbao centre-half. I was surprised he did not bring at least

one full-back in. There is a lot of focus on the front half of the team.

It is an issue that they have been trying to address for some time.

They have thrown a lot of money at the problem and it is yet to

materialise. In the next couple of transfer windows you will see on or

to full-backs coming in. There has been a big issue with Vincent

Kompany. He offers a level of organisation at the back which they

have not had and they are desperately trying to find someone

who offers that and who is good enough on the ball. He is

desperately searching for players. Cass says Guardiola is a football

Guru who is more accessible of style than results. Another person says he

achieves milestone is most can only dream of that he must realise he is

on a different turf... This is very west side story, something needs to

change otherwise things may go horribly wrong. I am well aware

Leicester fans we have not given Leicester any credit whatsoever in

that ten minutes of the show. Would you like to say something? I would

love to. I thought they were fabulous. Could it change their

season? At is a difficult question to answer. It potentially could.

There are so many positive things from that match. It looked like them

on song all season last season. The breakdown of possession on the edge

of their own box, one or two passes and all of a sudden Jamie Vardy is

scoring. Two goals in five minutes, you will release the shackles and

play free football which they did. It is good to see Leicester back to

doing what they do best in the Premier League. We will go to old

Trafford. One of two games which kick off at two o'clock. All the

highlights on Match of the Day to later. Guy Mowbray will be

commentating. Good afternoon. Welcome to Old Trafford. I have been

joined by Mark Lawrenson. I am sure you follow his predictions on the

BBC website. You have gone on - one. That will not suit the home crowd.

You can understand why I did. Manchester United have to start

winning games. It is nine points from fourth place. Mourinho says he

is happy. He does not look happy most of the time. He says he is

happy with performances. Is he right to be happy? No, because you have to

start winning games. Slowly but surely he might be finding his best

team. I would expect results to improve. Performances are key but it

is all about results as we know. His best result may be Eric Bailly.

Spurs's team and utterly includes Toby Alderweireld. Powell big are

both of those sites? Both very important. Old or old is a

cornerstone -- older Wirral is a cornerstone of their defence. I

would add it looks like to add to Pep Guardiola's worries and it looks

like Mark Lawrenson has the same jumper as him! Let's start with Toby

Alderweireld. He has an attacking weapon with his deep cross ball.

A position in a field. I do not think Eric Dier has been as

effective. He's better as a midfielder. Having Alderweireld

Bachini squad is going to bring that unity back. It will bring solidity

and give you that extra weapon, being able to distribute and change

defence to attack quickly. Our Spurs favourites for this game? I think

so. I think they will have a good performance today. I love the way

the club goes about achieving what it wants. They are very different to

United or City or Chelsea. They are developing players, giving younger

players an opportunity. They are not spending the same level of money but

they are rubbing shoulders with them at the top of the league. That tells

me the manager and the club have a good formula. And yet, is Jose

Mourinho starting to develop a formula? I think they have played

pretty well in the last six weeks. Some performances have been better

than others. The big issue is they have been wasteful in front of goal.

They are bottom of the table in chance conversion this season.

Stoke, Burnley, they should have won handsomely. It has cost them dearly.

Arsenal, they were the better side. Everton, they should have seen that

out. West Ham was maybe a fair result. Lots of the United fans are

cautiously optimistic about what they are seeing. They have to win.

For me, if you look back, they go nine points behind Spurs, and

obviously City in fourth and fifth. This could be a real swing moment

for them. Scoring goals has been the biggest problem. Know that

Ibrahimovic is back to scoring goals, that is massive. Hopefully

that will continue, they will need him to lead the line. He is still

missing chances. This is one of the big issues. His goal ratio is pretty

good but in the game against Liverpool, Chelsea, Stoke, Arsenal,

the chances he missed cost them victory. I do not believe Harry

Kane, Diego Costa or Sergio Aguero would have missed those chances.

Then there is the argument, it is not all down to one person.

Liverpool have had 13 different scorers are something like that this

season. I cannot remember. It is not down to one man, even if it is

Ibrahimovic. He likes playing that role and he is a focal point of the

team with his personality and present on the pitch. Everyone

around him has to start taking part in contributing to the goals. It

would make them such a stronger team, all the way throughout.

Including set pieces. Defender scoring that adds to a better team.

Arsenal are top after their victory against all back. Chelsea are

goalless against West Brom. They will go to the top if they avoid

defeat. Ian Wright was not getting carried away on Match Of The Day

last night. They probably did not play the best style of football that

we used to seeing Arsenal play. In years gone by, this is the period of

time when Arsenal tend to drop away. I like the fact they are not playing

well but there are still winning game comfortably. It goes to show,

they have a different type of mentality this time around. In the

past, they have been seen as lightweight, mentally weak. They

seem to have overcome that hurdle. I was there yesterday. You talk about

the players being a bit weak sometimes, but if they had gone 1-0

down to Stoke last season in November, I think I would have

sensed panic going around the Emirates. The fans starting to get

worried. That did not seem to be the case yesterday, even though they

were a goal down. It felt like there was a sense of belief among the fans

that they would be all right and turn this around. You can see why

Ian Wright is saying I am not getting carried away. I do not think

any Arsenal fan, given the last few seasons, can get carried away. They

are near the top of the league. They are playing well. Historically, it

has not ended well for them even though they always qualify for the

Champions League and hit the top four. It is an amazing achievement

but they want to see that next step, the title trophy again. Like Mark

says, they are not playing great at times but their winning matches.

They look like they have that ability to grind out a result, more

than in the past, which could lead them to the title. The problem they

have got is Mustafi is injured. He has been a big part of them being

solid. Having Hector Bellerin back makes a difference. Definitely. From

a defensive point of view, the relationship between Koscielny and

Mustafi has been excellent. He has looked at home. There has been

questions asked about him. Is he ?30 million worth. Will he settle? He

has shown he is more than capable. There are lots of new managers at

the top clubs. Arsene Wenger has that consistency, they are probably

the most stable club of the top five or six. You just wonder, they were

the aeroplane, if that will a difference. The attention is away

from them, to agree, and away from Arsene Wenger. Quietly going about

their business, sneaking along. They could be a team that people did not

expect to take it. They have got to keep Sanchez fit, very much like

Diego Costa at Chelsea. Were you watching social media last night,

and the Arsenal and Stoke fans? Arsenal fans were accusing Charlie

Adam of stamping Alexis Sanchez. Did you see this? No. Stoke fans were

saying, why were you slowing it down to see what is happening there, you

should be celebrating that you are top? I have mentioned this. It just

seemed like a very odd incident. There was this battle on social

media. If you slow things down, you can find things. It is nice that

Arsenal fans are worried about something other than the result.

Normally they are moaning about the result and performance. Now they

will have another go. I was at the game when they got knocked out in

the EFL Cup against Southampton. They were not very good. There was

brewing around the stadium. Is this the tipping point? Are they going to

go on a run of defeats, dropping points at this time of year. They

have not, they have bounced back. Finishing top of their group in the

Champions League was a massive boost. That psychological boost

going forward into this period. Did Charlie Adam stamp on someone? In

the build-up to the third goal, Sanchez was felled. The referee

played on, the kind of play on that make Dean would have celebrated when

the goal went in. Lee Mason. If you slow it down, it looked like the

foot of Charlie Adam went on to Sanchez's like, before it went to

Alex Iwobi. So it is not stamping? I am not a pundit. What are you

saying? In trying to appease both Arsenal and Stoke fans by bringing

it up, I have made it worse. I will stay off Twitter this afternoon.

Let's talk about Swansea and Sunderland. 3-0 four Swansea. The

interesting thing with that game yesterday, afterwards, Bob Bradley

talked about the identity of the club, Leon Brittan, Angel Rangel,

Gylfi Sigurdsson. One of the accusations about Swansea is they

have lost their identity? It was a massive result of them. People who

looked at the 5-4 victory against Palace thought it was a possible

turning point. I looked at the did -- I looked at the defence and

thought, there are more questions than answers. There are people who

have been a long time, who understand club. Sigurdsson has been

key for them. Everything they do well goes through him. Maybe David

Moyes would argue that Sunderland do not have that as much. It is an

issue. You need those players, particularly when it is difficult.

You can turn to them. Angel Rangel is one of them. Sigurdsson is the

talisman. He will have to be consistent if they are going to stay

up. I was chatting to a Southampton fan who was upset about the way they

are club was being run. You look at Southampton and think it is this

great model of Premier League success, the way they have recruited

players and managers and sold them for a profit. He was upset that the

fans had no permanent players to latch onto and develop relationships

with. They were being successful and moving on. What the supporters want

from their club, to be successful to have the same group of players to

connect with, that is an interesting question. You want both, really.

Ideally, that is what you want. You certainly do. Like Bob Bradley said,

it is key for Swansea. There has been a period of time where there

have been unhappy people at the club. It is key that he gets those

players on board. Almost putting more pressure on them, saying, you

are the club, what the fans associate with. The pressure is on

you. I will give you the responsibility. Not just Leon

Brittan, because he is winning the armband. It is Sigurdsson and Lucas

Fabianski, to a degree. These players have more of an affiliation

with the club, and they can drag the other players with them. It was a

vital victory for them. Early on, Sunderland had some chances,

particularly with Jermain Defoe. If one of goes -- if one of those goes

in, you wondered what you would see from Swansea. They wrote that out.

In many ways, it is admired a ball that they rode out that early

period. We often flagged up the six pointers and the home side are often

under more pressure, particularly of the home side get off to a good

start. The home fans are expecting to win. You wonder if the Crystal

Palace game had some sort of bidding on their defensive concerns. It

looked like a game that could go either way. Even though it was 3-0

in the end, for a period, it could have gone either way. Sunderland,

the lapses that they are having defensively, it is really costing

them. That was the difference yesterday. You'll get that game

against Palace. 4-3, you have conceded lots of goals. In that

position, it is about getting three points to begin with. Get the three

points on the board and build from there. You gain confidence from the

victory and move on. They were beaten convincingly at Spurs but

they have picked themselves up. There will be game where they get

beat. Is how they react afterwards. This is the best response. The game

could have gone either way but it did not. It shows they have

character. Lots of clubs down there will have to accept they will lose

games this season. If you change it back to Sunderland and David Moyes,

they have been on an oche run, three victories out of four, before this

game. You do not overreact to this defeat. No. I think there will be a

massive rotation of positions at the bottom over the course of the

season. We are always keen to discuss who is going down. These are

definitely going down. If you look at the last five years, there has

been a lot of change in the bottom position. No one will get too

concerned. Not long ago, Sunderland looked completely bereft. Three

victories from four changes things. They are still bottom but the

situation is not as bleak. Whenever I talk about Sunderland, I think

about Jermain Defoe. The impact he has is massive. His form as some of

the best I have seen in his career. He looks like a threat every week.

For them, it is priceless. Hull were 3-2 going up into the last minute

when Fraizer Campbell scored his equaliser. Lots of attention on

Robert Snodgrass for the penalty that he won. He then conceded a

penalty. In his radio interview last night, Alan Pardew said that Robert

Snodgrass had cheated. OK. After the stamping comment, I am playing at

right back to you. I do not look at social media, but he came out and

apologised. He said, I was anticipating getting a touch.

Therefore, I went down. That classic. I said sorry. If you look

at the replies, why did you not tell the referee that, or why did you not

miss the penalty? He put his hand up. You can understand the replies

as well. Yes. As a spectator and someone playing the game, for me,

you do not want to see it. Not on any level, shape or form. You do not

want to see people pretending or diving. It is not nice to play

against our watch. It is horrible. There is no rule for it. The only

way you can look at it, it is the desperation they have to get a

result. Maybe it clouds your moral judgment and you do whatever it

takes to win the match. I think we've got to to a point where

reaction -- where action is taken against diving. All the changes that

has been brought into the game, I do not know how we're in a situation

where if a player has not been booked for a clear dive, then the FA

cannot punish them. If heavier punishments are meted out over time,

it will gradually, maybe not immediately, but it will slowly

eradicate the problem. You watch things every week on slow motion, at

different angles. You see all sorts of things and sometimes you cannot

tell if it was a dive or if there was a touch. In clear instances, I

think they should. Watching things in slow motion is one of the biggest

problems in sport, not just football. Rugby union have been

saying, start playing replays in slow motion on big screens because

tackles look worse. They should not show it on a big screen. There

should be a couple of referees in a room in the stadium watching. They

should say to the referee, that was a dive. I think we should use

technology as much as possible. Look at Leicester against Manchester City

last night. The Jamie Vardy third goal probably would not have been

given. The referee would have had to make a decision. The linesman would

not have seen it from his angle. With the referee have made the right

decision, who knows? Snodgrass is in a great area. He has drawn a

defender to ground in the box and missed the ball.

You are at leaving yourself open to be exploited. But then he pulled his

foot away. I know that seeing that in real time is difficult for a

referee or a linesman. That is why they should use technology. The

referee's job is the hardest in the world. Who wants to do it? No one

wants to do it. In Alan Pardew's interview he said I feel sorry for

the referee in that situation but there are a couple of other cases

where we should have had a penalty. Given that games now virtually every

team will have a player who has dived at some point, it makes it

nigh on impossible for the referee to judge. And watching video replays

as well makes it difficult to see if it was or was not a dive. We have

got to find a balance. In rugby, they have got the system in place

and at times they can still get it wrong. It is something we need to

evolve. To is hard to know what is the most important thing to focus

our attention on. Maybe because it was easier we focused on whether the

ball was over the line or not over the line and I know that is the

difference between a goal and not a goal and it is easy to do because

you can fix a camera to the goalpost. But this is an important

issue that we maintain. Unless a referee is dead certain it is a

penalty and he blows for a penalty, in that moment of time when play is

stopped anyway they could be reviewing the footage. If he is not

sure, someone could be checking it when the game continues to flow and

say it is a penalty. I don't like criticism of referees because of the

things that are discussed that I think if you speak to them in their

private moments, they say it is getting to the point where we do

need a lot more help in the game. There have been so many marginal

calls this season but there have also been some blatant ones that if

you look at maybe the position of the referee at the time wasn't so

bad, but it is very, very difficult to judge it. I don't think

refereeing standards are bad at all. It is a very difficult sort of

period. I think refereeing standards are very, very good. I have played

all over the world. Some are very substandard. In the Premier League

we have some of the best referees. Even to bring it in as a deterrent.

I know we are talking about how much it could disrupt the flow of the

game but once people can see there is that edge on them and they can go

back and check if it is a dive or not you would cut the people

simulating by 50% said they would not be that much interruption. Let

me give you a stat. The attacking is good and the

defending is poor. There have been some thrill a minute games. There

seemed to have been so many 3-3 and 3-2 at the moment. It is certainly

entertaining. Yesterday, it we looked at the Sunderland defending,

we have talked about Manchester City, the standard, some of the poor

decision-making, the lack of concentration and effort has been

the concern. A large number of individual errors. More goals per

game than any other season in the Premier League. What is the score at

half-time at Stamford Bridge? 0-0. Chelsea have kept this well oiled

machine under control. Ben Foster has not had much to do in the West

Brom goal. There was a David Luiz free kick. At the moment, West Brom

are halfway to ending Chelsea's winning wrong at eight Premier

League games that Tony Pulis will no concentration will be paramount

throughout. Cave says there needs to be a panel form so action can be

taken. Your first instinct as a player should be to stay on your

feet and not go to ground. We'll says you have given Guardiola and

easy ride. 85058 and #bbcfootball if you want to get in touch with us.

One man not getting an easy ride at the moment is Ronald Koeman. Beaten

at Watford three goals to two. One win in ten for the club. I think we

can hear from him. I did not expect an easy job in Everton. I know the

expectation. I know the critics about the last few seasons and when

I signed this contract, I did not expect an easy job. I expect a

difficult job because of the history of the club, the expectations for

the club, but you need time for this. You cannot change everything

that we need to change to improve and what we need to change in a

better team will stop a more competitive team and to make

everybody happy in six months. -- than six months. You were there

yesterday doing that game for BBC Radio 5 Live. What did you think? I

think Everton did OK. There was a great ball from Gareth Barry. Lukaku

got on the end of it. From that point onwards, they were pretty much

second-best to everything. They got bullied all over the pitch. They

lacked leadership, they lacked organisation. It was interesting to

see them. They looked flat as well. I was really surprised. Normally you

are used to the team who are unbeaten. They did not seem

competitive yesterday. He mentioned a lot of change as two reasons why

they are underperforming but what kind of changes is he making? I do

not see drastic changes. He's alluding that he wants to make

changes and has not made the changes that he wants to make. He played

till a few yesterday who I thought played well he played this season.

He seemed up for it and got great crosses over the goal. But Lukaku is

not one who wants to get on the end of it too often. The one was Ross

Barkley leaving him out. There was an incident before the game that

Koeman said Ross needs to work hard and learn and become a better player

on the training field. He alluded to the fact that he was not doing that

at the moment. He was pretty blunt with his comments and he came on

late in the game. They are chasing the game and he didn't really have a

chance to affect it either. The lack of leadership is an interesting

point because you think there are a lot of leaders in there, Baines,

Jagielka, Gareth Barry. I think flat is very much the word. I look at

someone like Lukaku is someone who has scored goals but you look at his

skill set and he is so aggressive. He has certainly got the ability to

be that at times he looked a little bit too nice. Are you willing to

believe that centre-half? I think they have other issues on the pitch.

If you look at your Southampton side, very nimble front six, he has

gone a different way with Everton. He likes to play with wide players.

Bolasie wasn't yesterday. I think he has struggled to begin with. He

seems to be scratching around really to find a form at the moment. I

think one of the problems is their Sony players in that side -- so many

players in that side. They were so poor on defending yesterday. All

three goals came from wide areas. Two set pieces. And physically being

dominant and getting up against people and marking them in the box,

it was nonexistent against Everton. Watford to their credit, you have to

say they really got at it. The one person who really got them going was

Okaka. He was buoying up the players it is kind of what you expect from

Troy Deeney. He lifted the whole stadium and the whole team. Arsenal

have... There is the Merseyside derby next Monday night. Liverpool

play West Ham. But is at 4:30pm kick-off. Graeme Souness has written

if Liverpool set out to entertainers, they will end up

winning nothing. That is probably a fair comment. You look at Pep

Guardiola as well. Do they want to entertain us? Their first priority

is to play entertaining football. With Liverpool there is that element

of concern as well. The biggest miss is Coutinho. He is the one who makes

them tick and he is missed. And also Sturridge. He has had injuries and

has not been in the side that often and that has probably affected his

confidence and his relationship with Jurgen Klopp. Do they set out to be

entertainers? His way of playing is fast, front foot football. Which it

is. It happens to be very entertaining. I think Liverpool, if

they have an Achilles heel this season which will cost them the

title, it may well be the defences and the goalkeeper. I still think

he's trying to put the building blocks in place. Matic started

really well. James Milner has been a revelation at left-back and Klein

has been affected at right back. I think it is just the way they play.

He wants to play on the front foot. They are the most entertaining team

out of possession and that may be a reason why people look at them and

say the intensity that they harass and press the ball is great to

watch. It is nice to see that side of the game executed really well. I

think that is the biggest change that Klopp has brought to Liverpool.

Do you give West Ham a hope this afternoon? Not the way they are

playing. Going back to Liverpool and Jurgen Klopp, I think it is part of

the DNA. He wants them to be entertaining by virtue of the way

they play, it gets the fans up and the manager the way he carries on on

the sideline as well. He wants everyone to be engaged and fully

involved in the team. As usual when we discussed diving there are views

on both sides. PJ says Snodgrass's team are in a relegation battle.

Yes, he dived, he's not going to say no to a penalty when some points are

desperately needed. Thank you to all your points this afternoon. The

second half of Chelsea West Brom is on 5 Live now and we will see you

for Match of the Day two later. Goodbye.