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Good afternoon and welcome to Match Of The Day 2 Extra on BBC Two, Radio

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5 Live and the BBC Sport website. With me for the next 45 minutes,

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Trevor Sinclair, Dean Saunders and journalist Alyson Rudd. As ever, you

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can get involved in the programme using the hashtag #bbcfootball by

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texting 85058. Coming up on the show today: Manchester City pay the

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penalty, missing twice from the spot to draw with Everton. They are now

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without a win in three games in all competitions. Theo Walcott scores

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twice as Arsenal win a sixth game in a row. Bournemouth put six past Hull

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in Mike Phelan's first match as permanent manager. And we look ahead

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to a huge game tomorrow night with Liverpool playing Manchester United.

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A number of the back pages focus on Liverpool versus Manchester United.

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The Sunday Mirror's headline is Mission Impossible, saying Jose

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Mourinho fears that Mancunian referee Anthony Taylor has an

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impossible job at Anfield tomorrow night. The Mail on Sunday leads with

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the same story and its headline is its ref justice. The Sunday Times

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has a big picture of Romelu Lukaku and the headline Spot Of Bother.

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That is where we start, because Manchester City are without a win in

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three games. They of course had to the Nou Camp on Wednesday night to

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face Barcelona. Trevor Sinclair, your former club. For somebody like

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Pep Guardiola, is this the start of a bit of a crisis, three matches

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without a win? They have not got an easy game coming up, that has got to

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be said. I think it is a blip. The players are still focused and buying

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into his philosophy. They have had some tough games. Celtic Park was a

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difficult game, which started this run, and they got a draw. Very

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entertaining for the neutrals. And then going to White Hart Lane is

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never going to be easy. They are definitely contenders this season.

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It was a difficult game. They started that game well, but Spurs

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deserved the win. And then the game at the Etihad yesterday, Ronald

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Koeman has completely revitalised them. If you get ten or 11 men

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behind the ball and they are disciplined and they make good

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decisions and they are brave when they get the ball back, it is

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difficult to break down. Manchester City need to get used to that,

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because a lot of teams are going to go to the Etihad and take on that

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style of play. They didn't quite get the breakthrough when they thought

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they could have. It looks a bit like they have run out of ideas.

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Mentally, they should have been stronger, but they showed great

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resilience to get back in the game after going behind to Lukaku's

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opener. Trevor says mentally, they could have been stronger. When you

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are on a good run and you hit a blip, do you lose confidence

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quicker? And when you have a game against a team like Barcelona, will

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they go in low on confidence? I don't think so. They missed two

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penalties yesterday. They should have won the game. Ashley Williams

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has made the difference to Everton. He made 13 clearances yesterday. At

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times, they were battering Everton. They are still getting used to the

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system. He changes during the game. Yesterday, there were two wingers.

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And he has got the centre-backs. It is all-out attack. Yesterday, they

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were unlucky. As Trevor said, Tottenham the week before, who are

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really good team. They would not surprise me if they beat Barcelona

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midweek. That would certainly get them back on track. Alyson, when you

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have seen Manchester City this season and the Guardiola, even

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though these results have been a bit sticky, do you see constant

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improvement under him, working towards this style he likes to bring

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in? He would be very cross if I were to say no, because that has been his

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mantra. I was at his press Conference on Friday and every time

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I have heard him speak, he has said it is about making sure even the

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star players like Guerra, he can be much better. He says it over and

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over again. You talked about the wingbacks. He will put someone who

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is out on the wing, under pressure, and said, stop crossing like that.

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And it might seem to be undermining him, but he says it to everybody.

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Even if the journalists say it was a ten out of ten performance, he will

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say they can be better. So the answer to your question is yes, they

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are improving. But if you take a group of players, it will affect

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them in different ways. Some of them will find it difficult to

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acclimatise to, the sense that they are not gods on earth and that they

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need to improve. So for the next few months, I think you will see

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creaking as the layers get used to such a demanding manager. As you

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say, players will react differently to being expected to do better. That

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is where the management will come into play and he has that good

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relationship with individuals. He also puts pressure on himself to

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improve, so I feel that if you do that as a leader with a group of

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men, and then you question others, that is normal. Because he questions

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himself, the lads will feel it is fair. He was coached by Johan

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Cruyff, and he said to Pep Guardiola, you're not good enough,

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you could be better. And he said, if I hadn't been told that, I wouldn't

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be any good. So if he turns to a player and says, this is why I am

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telling you this, if you have any sense, you will accept that.

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Guardiola played with the back three yesterday. He even put Vincent

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Kompany upfront for a. While Do you think he's trying to find the best

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ways to win games in this Premier League, which is a new environment

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for him? Little changes like he did yesterday make a whole difference to

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the Outlook on the team. If you put zapper letter and Kolarov at

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wingback, that is getting a result away from home. If you swap the two

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wingbacks with wingers, they are not going to run back like defenders and

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that becomes all-out attack, especially if you have ballplaying

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centre-backs, which he has. He had Kesey and stones yesterday. When he

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has got the fire power he has upfront like he has with Aguero,

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they will be hard to stop. So they will get stopped in their tracks now

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and again or they will have bad luck, but they will out power teams.

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Be a lot has been made of the change in formation. I don't think the

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squad are worried about it. This is normal for pep. He looks at the

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opposition, he takes them into consideration and if he feels he has

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the team and the player power to dictate to the opposition, he will

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play whatever he wants. But if he respects certain attributes from the

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opposition, he will make adjustments. That is just adapting.

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He does that during the game, but what has to happen before that, you

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have to do the training so that players understand what is expected

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if the formation changes. The players need to practise that.

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Hiwula said the players, 11 versus 11, we have five minutes, we are 1-0

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down and we have five minutes to score. We are going to play like

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this. Then he will say, have a drink, back on the pitch. I have

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made two substitutions and we are going to defend for five minutes

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like this. Then they understand the advantages and disadvantages. So

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when it comes to Saturday, they know what they are doing. Ronald Koeman

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said yesterday it was the best team he had come across in his managerial

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career. He was able to stop them a bit in their tracks, but let's talk

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about Ross Barkley. He wasn't used at all yesterday. Alyson, how do you

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feel they have handled Ross Barkley's situation? Is too much

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pressure being put on him? He is still only 22, which I was surprised

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by as he has played so much football already. It is an interesting one.

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I'm guessing everyone around this table would have thought he was

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going to be a superstar when he first broke into the Premier League.

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And he will not have stopped being a classy player with an eye for a

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goal. The trouble is, football has become so disciplined. The managers

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want you to do exactly what they say. They don't want you to do

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things on the hoof, to be overly expressive. You are in a system, and

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you play to that system. I suspect when Ross Barkley gets out there, he

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sometimes... Overexcited sounds patronising, but he doesn't always

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stick to the plan. It is easy for a manager to think, I will have a

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break from him now, because it is mucking things up. I remember Roy

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Hodgson absolutely losing it with Ross Barkley for England because he

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was not doing as he was told. Maverick. Don't you feel it is

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harder to be a maverick? It is, yeah. Deano has more managerial

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experience, but as a manager, when you get into that technical area,

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you want to know what you are getting from a player. If someone

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has their own agenda, it becomes more difficult to put them into a

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team structure. So I feel that Ross does come into that type of player,

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where he will go on his own. But if he's going to do stuff on his own

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and be successful, you would take him all day long. But when he is not

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successful, that is the problem. You have got the whole team. If he has

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played poorly week in, week out and he's still playing, the rest of the

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players will question you as a manager. So he has had to give a

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rest and hopefully, he can rekindle what he is about. He is similar to

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Daniel Sturridge with Liverpool. They have a pressing situation going

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on, and Daniel is not as good as some of the other players, so he has

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not played as much football. When they haven't got the ball, I don't

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think doing enough, Ross. I think the manager is saying, sit and

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watch. I can't play you in a two because you run all over the place.

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He is not disciplined enough. When I play you at Number Ten, you drift

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out of games for half an hour. I don't mind you doing that, provided

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that when we lose the ball, you work your socks off. I have seen Ross do

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a couple of post-match interviews and been quite concerned at how

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heavily he was breathing. So there are maybe fitness issues. Or he

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smokes. Let's not get involved with that! That is one thing I would

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question. He is a strong looking boy, but maybe not as fit as he

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could be. The dynamics are so different. Aguero looks like he has

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lost half a stone. The players look so much fitter. I'm not sure if Ross

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is as fit as he could be. A quick word on penalties. Dean, you are

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striker. Manchester City, four out of eight penalties this season they

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have scored, which is not a great return. I have scored lots of

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penalties and I have missed loads. Both penalties were similar, and the

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perfect height for a goalkeeper to save. Most goalkeepers dive down,

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they don't dig up in the air. If that penalty is not right in the

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corner, they are on the way down, and if you ask them where they would

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want you to put it, they would want you to put it there. I have tried

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doing it in training where you don't even look at the ball, they are

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looking at the goalkeeper. Aguero take three steps, looks at the

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goalkeeper, and he's waiting for the goalkeeper to dive. He doesn't even

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look at the ball. I have tried it. It is difficult. You have to give

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credit to Stekelenburg. He anticipated it right. That draw at

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Manchester City means that Arsenal went level at the top of the table

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with their win over Swansea yesterday. It is their sixth league

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win in a row. And Theo Walcott's two goals means he has scored five in

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eight games. Alyson, you were at the Emirates yesterday. We will chat

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about Theo Walcott, because it was the good and the bad, perhaps. Two

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goals, but it could have been three or four. Policy of. Even when he has

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a good game, one shot hits the upright and skids across. That

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happens to the best of players. That doesn't make him poor. Then there

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was the glaring miss at the end, but again, it keeps the woodwork. We are

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talking a matter of inches. It is not like it looked really stupid. It

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just seems to be the way it goes for Theo. Even when he plays well,

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something happens to him that makes people say he is not as good as he

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could be. He is 27. This could be his season. He spoke very well

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afterwards. Nice level of self-confidence. Some players say

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the right words and you don't think they mean it. I felt he meant, I am

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in a good place at the moment. He's working hard for the team. At times,

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Arsenal looked a bit like the German national team, in that you don't

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know who is going to score the goal. Anyone could score, and every player

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on the pitch by the keeper looks like they could get forward to score

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the goal, and they are in tune with each other. It didn't last the whole

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game, but there were moments when it was like that and Theo works well in

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that sort of free-flowing system where he is allowed to move where he

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wants. You mentioned this could be the

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season... You heard it before. We've heard it for the last four or five

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years. Where do you feel on him's I think he was poor last year and lost

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his focus for whatever reason. I was a big fan of his. He's probably not

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got the most amount of guile for a player. His pace, his enthusiasm and

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the way he dedicates himself to the game, he's been brilliant, but I

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just feel last season he lost his focus, lost a lot of confidence and

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he was playing poorly. I saw him at Old Trafford and they might as well

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have played with ten men, Arsenal, cos he was that poor on the pitch

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but I think the way he's reacted, left out of the euro squad for the

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summer, he's reacted in the right way. He looks fitter than he is

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looked for a long time and books like he's got that zest back for the

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game. He is playing well and scoring goals. He hit one post and it nearly

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had the other post it that was so one lucky. He have scored six. If

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you get the chances, you get yourself in them positions, you will

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score goals. There was element is where you just think, he really is

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getting towards his best. And as a player, about 28 or 29 is when you

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reach your pick. He has already equalled what he managed in the

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whole of last season in terms of goals. Only once has he broke a

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double figures barrier. He wants to play through the middle. Is he

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somebody that Arsenal can rely on to get the goals or is that why he's

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being forced out? I think Sanchez is better than him. Sanchez has had a

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problem when he was put up as a lone striker, he was getting deep

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midfield. Walcott was playing wide. I think it helps Walcott, playing

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with Sanchez at the middle. I've always felt, when he gets in on goal

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along that byline, he gets it wrong too many times the player of his

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ability and it does help the striker you play with making the right runs

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for you. I think Sanchez has grown into that role. Is realising that

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he's got to be on the end of the last pass and Walcott is looking

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better for it. It was Bradley's first game in charge yesterday at

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Swansea. What did you make of the team that he put out and how he set

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up? He's not had a huge amount of time with the players but there were

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certainly moments when they looked very good and they did challenge

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Arsenal. First of all, Bradley is a very lucky manager because he has

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inherited Sikhism, who I think is one of the best in the Premier

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League. -- Goodridge Sigurdsson. He went four for two, which was brave.

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I was slightly worried about what that would mean for Goodridge

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Sigurdsson's roll. You don't want him isolated but he got very

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involved. His athleticism, the way he bails people out, he will get the

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tackle in. So as long as he appreciates that he's got one of the

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best players in the league, he will be all right but he has come in with

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lots of conspiracy theories. Why is an American with no Premier League

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experience who has come from France, why is he taking over a Premier

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League club? He's got a reputation for being a bit of a Sergeant Major

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and yet he has taken over at a club with a reputation for. Football so

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that it felt wrong but he has said all the right things - I'm here to

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learn, not to tell people what to do. I want to apply discipline. A

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lot of people have come out of the woodwork and said that on Dirk

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wheedling training was a bit lax. He wants to make training exciting

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again. They've played nicely but not had that grit and determination. It

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is too early to make the judgment call on Bradley, the manager, except

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that he decided it was time to change the web addresses. What is

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the chat back in Wales about this appointment and where Swansea are

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and what they can achieve because Theo Walcott said he thought they

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were a very underrated side. They The manager got sacked the next day

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after it was made 2- to. I don't commission of change the manager.

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There was no panic. I'm a Swansea fan. Staying in the Premier League,

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I'm happy with that. 11 years ago, we were a goal away from the

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Conference going into that league so sucking the manager... And I didn't

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like the bit where they interviewed the night before the Liverpool game

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and he was still the manager, so what would have happened if they'd

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equalised against Liverpool? He stays in the job. I don't think

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there was any need to panic. They could have waited and especially

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letting him go to Arsenal on his first game... They could've left

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lasted another week. They are playing Watford. No disrespect but

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it is an easy game, especially after two toff once. But we've got to get

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behind him now and hopefully he does the job but I didn't think there was

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any need to panic. Watford on Stoke are the next two games for Swansea.

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That will probably be more of a test of what Bradley can achieve on a

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trip to the Emirates. Although they've got a good record against

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Arsenal. I do feel the philosophy of Swansea City doesn't fit well with

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Bradley. He has... The way you've seen managers come to Swansea and

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get headhunted, I'm not sure this is going to be the case for Bradley but

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American owners have different ideas and it is their club. I just hope

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the fans get what they expect, good football, good philosophy. They've

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lost the main man, Ashley Williams. The captain in the dressing room. He

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was like the manager, the leader. He is gone to Everton and doing great

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it up they will miss him badly. They will. There are two games in the

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Premier League today, Southampton against Burnley at 4pm, but first

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Middlesbrough against Watford at 1:30pm. Both games are live on Radio

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5 live and Alan Greene is at the Riverside. Both teams today have

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made a couple of changes. Middlesbrough's the more

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interesting. They bring back Negredo and Ramires, the attacking duo who

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have been left out for the last league game. They are chosen ahead

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of roads and Fisher. Negredo is the out and out striker, Ramires is

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playing behind him, otherwise Middlesbrough are unchanged. Ighalo

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is in Nigeria after the death of his father and it is another Nigerian

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who replaces him, the young Isaac Success who cost 12.5 million, so

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this is his debut for Watford. The other alteration is in their

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defence, there is no Zuniga. Britos comes into the centre of defence and

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we think Kabul will be at the right back. A big game in the

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championship. Huddersfield can return to the top with a win over

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Sheffield Wednesday. Kicked off at midday and Alistair Yearwood is

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watching. It is nil nil at the moment. Sheffield Wednesday hit the

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crossbar off David Jones for the home side have grown into this and

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Kasey Palmer, the England U21 international on loan from Chelsea,

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highly promising, produced a beautiful shot and really tested

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Keiren Westwood, the Republic of Ireland international goalkeeper but

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without with about seven minutes to go, it is still 0-0. Let's turn our

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attention to tomorrow night. Simon Stone has been speaking to

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Manchester United and England winger Jesse Lingard header that big match

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against Liverpool. Liverpool is the main game of the

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season. A tough side, especially now they have a different way of

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playing. It is a great place to play. The fans are always behind us

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on the awaydays so a great experience for us. We are going to

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be working hard to get the win. The team has changed a little bit since

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last season, with the flat and, Paul Pogba, obviously. You know him so

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well from when he was here before. Did you keep in touch with him when

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he was in Italy and is it good to have him back? Of course I kept in

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touch with him. It's like he's been away and he's come back, like he's

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been on holiday and has come back. He is still the same as when he was

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18. He has not changed one bit. Still feet on the ground and

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level-headed. He is a good lad. Liverpool against Manchester United

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is live on Radio 5 live tomorrow night and you can see highlights on

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that of the day two, which is on tomorrow night on BBC One. -- Match

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of the Day to. Alison Rodger alongside me, is this just Mourinho

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being Mourinho and drawing attention to the fact that there is a referee

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from the greater Manchester area refereeing this match or is this a

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legitimate problem something they should be concerned about? As soon

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as a referee becomes part of the story, as the manager you have to

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make sure that is to your advantage so it is in Mourinho's interests to

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suggest that Anthony Taylor is going to feel the need to overcompensate,

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so the fact that he was born very close to Manchester means he might

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therefore feel obliged to be extra strict with decisions that might

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have gone for Manchester. It is ridiculous. But that's what you have

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to do if you are the manager. This is a nonstory because the one thing

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we do have in this country are referees who wouldn't be in the

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slightest bit corrupt it up they may not be very good at the job but they

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are not corrupt. There is no way Anthony Taylor is going into that

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game thinking, "I really love Manchester but I want Liverpool to

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get one over on Manchester because I'm an Altrincham fan". It doesn't

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work that way so it is a nonstory but soon as it becomes one, you will

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find any asked about it will think how they can make it to their

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advantage and make out they will have to think again. Goal but you

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can understand why., from the Manchester area, it is like when you

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referee again frock -- a game for your son, you are going to be harsh.

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He is going to be in a position where he feels he has to be harsh

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against Manchester United. He is saying, you can't give us anything

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so it is going to be scrutinised so what is going to Anthony Taylor's

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mind? Has been precedents in this. Liverpool versus Manchester and

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Brendan Rodgers, who was fined for his comments after the match and

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said, "I hope never again do we see a referee from Greater Manchester

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referee a Liverpool/ Manchester game". Is this something that

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authorities have to look at, those that appoint referees? Does anything

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need to happen or is it just something that we have a certain

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number of referees in this country that can referee the top-level

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games. Referees have to say who they supported when they were growing up,

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where their affiliations are, and then they don't referee that team.

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You can't start saying, where were you born? How many Manchester United

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fans were born in London? It doesn't mean anything where you were born at

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all. It matters a lot to some people, who will only support that

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team. What you do if you are a referee and you live in London? You

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can't referee any gains in London? So what we're actually saying is

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that they're a little bit corrupt, by all this conversation, but

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they're not. They're not. Let's get the actual football which is what we

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will hopefully be talking about after the match on Monday. A huge

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game for both managers and teams in terms title ambitions. Absolutely.

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I'm sure Dean is really excited for the game at Anfield. The new

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standards erected and it is probably the biggest gain since the new stand

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has been erected at Anfield and I feel Liverpool will be looking

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forward to this more than Manchester United, the way they've started,

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what they've got going forward, that front six, the creativity they've

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shown and the way they've been pressing teams and putting teams to

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the sword. I feel they'll do that to stay united and it is going to be a

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very difficult evening for Manchester United. You mentioned the

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forward players. Manchester has a huge character in the forward line

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but which forward players excite you most in terms of Liverpool and

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Manchester? I think Liverpool are playing well. The whole game is

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going to be brilliant. The two managers are characters, their

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personalities standout. The club has got everyone behind them. The

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supporters love the manager. Mourinho was like public and in the

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number one in Liverpool. -- public enemy. But up the front, Manet is

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like lightning. He and his team-mate looked like they can create when

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teams play against them and they can counterattack so it is going to be

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tough for Manchester United but they've got class players as well.

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Mourinho will get it right eventually and once he gets it

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right, they've got class players and they can beat anybody on the day. We

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talk about title ambitions, obviously it is very early in the

:30:07.:30:09.

season, but Liverpool have a good record against Chelsea, they've

:30:10.:30:13.

drawn with Cheltenham and beaten Arsenal, beaten Leicester. When it

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comes with those round about them, Liverpool are certainly holding

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their own. Absolutely. But already, there have been jokes from Jurgen

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Klopp about... There is this theory now, starting day one of the season,

:30:27.:30:30.

that Liverpool won't be able to keep it going all season. How can you

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keep up that relentless, pressing... Even their relentless attitude, in a

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way? How can you keep that up for the whole season? It is not a stupid

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idea to question whether they have that ability but I would say, he's

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been there exactly a year now. We knew he did it in Germany, he kept

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unfashionable clubs going and going. He's got much better players at

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Liverpool, so why can't he keep it going all season? He has proved it

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is possible. I think that has been the most fascinating thing about

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clock and Liverpool is the fact that it has to implode at some point, but

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I respect it doesn't have to. We haven't seen it before. We haven't

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seen someone take that Borussia Dortmund approach to football and

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make it happen here. Liverpool made a profit over the

:31:27.:31:35.

summer. He hasn't brought in amazing talents. If he wins the title, it

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will be because of his strategy and style. It is the formula. Why is

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Daniel Sturridge not playing? For me, his ability is up there with

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Aguero when he has got the ball. When he hasn't got the ball, he is

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not fitting into the formula. It is the attitude that the players who

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are fit and those who fit his style of the ones who are going to play.

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At Dortmund, he had a steady change of players. The minute you drop of

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what he wants you to do, there is only so bad you can be. The formula

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is based around getting the ball back when you have not got the ball.

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There is only so bad you can be. Talking about Sturridge not playing

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for Liverpool, Rooney is the one who has been missing out for Manchester

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United. A huge week for them. They have Fenerbahce at home on Thursday

:32:45.:32:50.

and then bring placed Chelsea again at the weekend. Where does Rooney

:32:51.:32:54.

fit in this week? You would have to ask Jose Mourinho that. He has

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watched him day in, day out in training. He knows what his form is

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like. And if he is good enough, he will play. But as we have seen,

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Rooney's performances have not been anywhere near as good as the

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standards he set for himself. He is not playing well, but class lasts

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and if he works hard to get the form back, it will come back. At the

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moment, he has not got the form. But it may come back in training and

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Mourinho might feel he has got over his blip. What do you mean by his

:33:31.:33:36.

form, though? He's not going to be as fast or strong as he was. Rooney

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wants to be somebody else. That can happen. If you look at what John

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Barnes did, a team-mate of Dean's, he was the action forward and had

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agility and mobility and he used to win games. In the end, John Barnes

:33:57.:33:59.

dropped back and ended up being a playmaker in midfield. Wayne Rooney

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has the all-round ability to adapt. I have seen him train and play and I

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have seen the impact he has had on football in the last 15 years in

:34:08.:34:11.

this country. If he starts dropping back, there is a sense of mistake

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people don't want to talk about him as a midfielder. It happens to all

:34:17.:34:20.

players. They come have that speed for the whole of their careers. If

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they are good enough, and Wayne is, he's good enough to drop deeper and

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play as a midfielder in the right formation. And I agree with you,

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Alyson, he's never going to have the same pace and intensity he had ten

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years ago. So he needs to adapt. His manager says he is only going to

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play him up front. I disagree. I don't feel when has the ability to

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play that role so well any more. Not against the top teams. I think he is

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getting too much stick. I do. Mourinho takes the flak sometimes.

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He will say, have a go at me, so the talking point will be about him. I

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think when we'll be saying, don't worry, I have got broad shoulders.

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When we are winning, all this .. I know he is not as quick as he was,

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but he is class. Of course he is. It seems like there is a vendetta

:35:27.:35:30.

against him. He's having a bit of a bad time, big deal. He has been top

:35:31.:35:35.

of the game for 15 years. Players have dipped in form. I remember

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Manchester United doing Ryan Giggs, when he nearly went to Inter Milan.

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He found himself being a club legend and staying for many years, so I am

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sure when can do that, but he will have to adapt. Ryan Giggs adapted

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his role as well. It will be a very interesting match between Liverpool

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and Manchester United, which is live on BBC radio 5 Live. Let's go to

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Alistair Yeomans at that match between Huddersfield and Sheffield

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Wednesday, where it is half-time. Yes, you were talking about the

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Jurgen Klopp way. Here, they have had five wins at the John Smith's

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stadium, all by a single goal margin. So perhaps not surprisingly,

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this game against Sheffield Wednesday has been very tight. It is

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0-0. We were talking about Manchester United's trip to

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Liverpool. After that, they go to Chelsea, who played the league

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leaders yesterday and were comfortable 3-0 winners. Let's start

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by talking about Leicester. It seems something has gone wrong for them,

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Alyson, four games away from home without a win, really looking to

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struggle to contain Chelsea. It is not the Leicester we saw last

:36:54.:36:57.

season. This is what happens when you win the title while you are in

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the kitchen. I think they have started this season in a slight

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bubble of, did that really happened? They have also put a lot of emphasis

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on doing well in Europe, which they are. They are certainly saving their

:37:22.:37:25.

best performances for the European competition. You could argue that

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the teams playing in Europe have never come across Leicester before,

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the same way no one in the Premier League took Leicester seriously last

:37:35.:37:42.

season until it was too late. I was in Bruges for Leicester's first

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Champions League game, and the people of Bruges were really annoyed

:37:46.:37:49.

that it was only Leicester they were getting as the seeded team. They

:37:50.:37:52.

wanted a big club with big stars. No one had heard of Leicester, so they

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couldn't sell enough tickets. They don't have the reputation. But they

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have already lost more games this season than they did in the whole of

:38:05.:38:09.

last season. They are not looking like title challengers. The irony is

:38:10.:38:14.

that many airy was known as the tank and in his first incarnation in the

:38:15.:38:17.

Premier League. He is having to learn how to tinker all over again.

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I watched the goalless draw against Southampton and afterwards, Ranieri

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said, I got that wrong. I should have rested players. I need to work

:38:26.:38:30.

out what to do. Then he probably rested too many good players for the

:38:31.:38:35.

game at Stamford Bridge. He has not got the balance right yet. I don't

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think anyone in Leicester will mind if they do well in the Champions

:38:39.:38:46.

League. When did Wes Morgan ever lose a striker from a corner like

:38:47.:38:53.

that last season? He stood there looking at the ball. Vokes gets down

:38:54.:39:02.

with the one-two for the next goal. That never happened last season. I

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know they have lost Kante and Drinkwater has been injured, but

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little things are going on. You can see Ranieri saying it as well. This

:39:14.:39:20.

is not the team from last season. I don't think anyone in the game is

:39:21.:39:24.

surprised that they are going to struggle this year. They had an

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amazing story last year. Does lightning strike twice for a team

:39:30.:39:32.

like Leicester? I don't think it does. I think it was a one-off. But

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isn't it quite canny than for Ranieri to prioritise the Champions

:39:41.:39:46.

League? Absolutely. Let's have another bit of romance, but do it in

:39:47.:39:51.

Europe this time. The same could be said for Chelsea, but in a positive

:39:52.:39:56.

way. A change of formation, and Eden Hazard looked superb yesterday. Yes.

:39:57.:40:01.

At the beginning of the season, I put Chelsea down as winning the

:40:02.:40:06.

league. I thought, they are not in Europe. Their players will not turn

:40:07.:40:11.

into bad players overnight. They had a bad season. They have a good

:40:12.:40:21.

manager who could stamp his authority on the players. They

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needed a strong character coming in as the leader, and they have got

:40:25.:40:27.

that. He has changed a few at the back, and that suits Chelsea. As

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long as you can get very energetic wingbacks who know when to join in,

:40:41.:40:44.

they have a fantastic formula. That was a test yesterday. Costa played

:40:45.:40:57.

really well. They broke away. He has to slip the ball to his right, he

:40:58.:41:05.

doesn't. The manager shouts to him, and Costa gives him that one take me

:41:06.:41:12.

off. Then he has a dilemma. As a manager, if your top scorer is doing

:41:13.:41:15.

that in front of everybody, do you bring him straight off or deal with

:41:16.:41:18.

it after the game? I imagine he would have called him in and said,

:41:19.:41:23.

if you ever do that to me again... He is a hothead. He has got to deal

:41:24.:41:35.

with that. He has to look after him, because he needs him at least until

:41:36.:41:43.

the January transfer window. I would have brought him straight off. You

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would not have thought, I'm going to show him who the manager is

:41:49.:41:52.

afterwards? That is why I am sat here! I have the under 18s and the

:41:53.:41:57.

U21s to think of and the rest of the squad. If he can do it, they all

:41:58.:42:02.

start doing it. In the heat of the moment, if you have made a decision,

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Costa would have known he made the wrong decision. You don't mean not

:42:08.:42:17.

to pick that pass out. That is where your assistant manager comes in. He

:42:18.:42:20.

should be greeting him as he comes off the pitch and saying, go and

:42:21.:42:25.

apologise to the manager. Lets end on a positive. Bournemouth, six

:42:26.:42:31.

goals, what a result. Fantastic stuff for them. A terrible afternoon

:42:32.:42:38.

for Hull. Top manager. He leads by example. The lads are fit as a

:42:39.:42:46.

fiddle. He never criticises the players on a match day, as in giving

:42:47.:42:53.

them a hard time. In training, here's hard as nails. He sees a

:42:54.:42:57.

snapshot of who is going to play well, he picks those players, and

:42:58.:43:02.

they perform. Rob has to say falling just served up by Eddie Howe. Five

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Englishmen scored yesterday for Bournemouth. When did that last

:43:08.:43:12.

happened? That is a good question. And Mel says stop looking at our

:43:13.:43:16.

manager, how about some of the players for an England call-up? Any

:43:17.:43:20.

chance of that, Alyson? I would be all for building England around an

:43:21.:43:25.

unfashionable club like Bournemouth. It is not working by picking players

:43:26.:43:34.

from around Europe. Sorry to put dampener on it, but Hull City's

:43:35.:43:41.

defending was horrific yesterday. Well, we will try to end on a high,

:43:42.:43:46.

Bedene has just ruined it. Thank you very much to Trevor, Dean and

:43:47.:43:50.

Alyson. Match Of The Day 2 is on tomorrow night, with highlights from

:43:51.:43:54.

Liverpool against Manchester United, and we will be back next week. Hope

:43:55.:43:56.

to see them. Goodbye now.

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