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Hello, welcome to Match of the Day 2 Extra, we are on BBC Two and five

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live and the BBC sport web-site. I'm joined by Kevin Kilbane, Shay Given

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and Jason Burt. So over the next 45 minutes here is what we will be

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discussing. Arsenal left it late at Goodison yesterday to get a point.

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Giroud with the late equaliser. Chelsea have now won two out of two

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after beating Leicester yesterday. Three games today, including

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Manchester United going to Sunderland in the 4 o'clock game and

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tomorrow night we have the big one, between Manchester City and

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Liverpool. We also hope to be joined by Swansea's manager, Garry Monk

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after they beat Burnley yesterday to make it two wins out of two. We want

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you to be involved. Text us if you want to get involved on social media

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you can find us on Facebook. First that game at Goodison yesterday.

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Here is what both managers had to say. Well it is known as a place

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where it is difficult to come back between you're two down. We did it

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in a conVIPsing way I must -- convincing way I must say.

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Everything went against us in the first half and to concede the second

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we had a mountain to climb. But we did it with togetherness. And we

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didn't panic. We came back late, but it is a strong point for us. What

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happened is we run out of energy and it became a feeling of wanting the

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game to end. We are not that sort of side that we can just sit deep and

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defend. That is not the way we play. We need to play with the ball. I was

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delighted with the performance for 80 minutes. The first half was

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phenomenal in the way we took control of the game and we looked a

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real threat and we kept Arsenal very quiet. 2-0 is always a dangerous

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score, because the opposition will throw everything at you with hope

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and if that hope gets the back of the net, you're in a bit of trouble.

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It is just where we are in the season. We didn't have that energy

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that you need to have. In terms of first half, it gave us a perfect

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picture of what we are going to be, or what we want to be until the end

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of the season. Shay, we are early in the season, how important a point

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could that be for Arsenal as regards to the perception of the club f they

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hadn't -- if they can't come back, people would say same old Arsenal.

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Yes the first goal, Everton did switch off. It gave them that

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lifeline to get the second and the papers are saying The Fight Club. It

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was a massive turn around. On the that everton point and Roberto

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Martinez saying they got tired, that happened last season. The energy and

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the pressing they do and they found themselves 60 minutes with their

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legs tired. I they rely on McCarthy. He provides so much for the team and

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gives them belief to get on the front foot and win the ball. James

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himself looked tired towards the end. Him and Gareth Barry were

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dropping deeper on to the centre halves and Jagielka and Distin were

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dropping further. And they like to play higher up the pitch, to get the

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team up the pitch and keep possession. I think it was probably

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not happening from the last 30 minutes of the game. Do you think

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from an Arsenal point of view that understandably early in the season,

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and they have new players that Arsene Wenger might be trying to

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work out formation. Yes he started with Sanchez up front and it wasn't

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working. Everton were doing the pressing and Sanchez was trying to

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press on his own. When Giroud came on it made a difference. Cazorla,

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look at the strength in-depth in the Arsenal squad, it is better than for

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some time. There was a calmness about them. The way they worked

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their way back. They got the goals left, but you were thinking get one

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and they will get two, because ever torp were -- Everton were tiring. It

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is a strong point for Arsenal and shows the strength. Giroud made that

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difference and gave them that presence up front and he is allowed

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to hold the ball up. How do you best use Sanchez if Giroud gives them

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that presence and that is their best Sen Serce forward? -- centre

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forward. I the way he was playing for Chile, he was a kind of No 9,

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but he was floating every where. He has played on the right for Arsenal

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in the first couple of games he struggled in both games. He has not

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been involved and he is not heavily enough involved in the attacks. He

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will come up with moments of magic, but he gives the ball away at times.

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Do you think Arsenal could do with another striker? Yes he is not an

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out and out striker, Sanchez, we are wondering what is his best position.

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But he has a big price tag and possibly a No 10 off the centre

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forward. But the same as last season, I would be worried to play

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Sanchez on his own. Arsene Wenger is probably worried after yesterday.

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They have got Campbell as well and it looks they will move on Podolski,

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there could be an opportunity to bring someone else. But they're

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talking of another defensive midfielder. In the first half they

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were outpowered by Everton. We will look back at the other games and we

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hope to be joined by Garry Monk of Swansea. For today, there are three

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games. Two you will hear on five live. The 4 o'clock game between

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Sunderland and Manchester and Spurs versus QPR. Helle against Stoke is

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the other game. But that game at Tottenham, Steve Wilson is doing

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this game and I asked him about the old boys renuance yon at -- reunion

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at the Lane. It will be an old boys' reunion? Yes some ex-Tottenham

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personnel. Harry, his first return since Tottenham got rid of him.

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Glenn Hoddle one of Spurs' best players and a former manager and Joe

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Jordan and Kevin Bond. They played OK last weekend, but lost at home to

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Hull. Harry was happy with the performance and not the result. He

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would be delighted to get something today. How would you describe Spurs'

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start to the season. Quietly efficient? Not bad. Beat West Ham

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late. One in Limassol on Thursday in difficult conditions, 38 degrees in

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Cyprus. So it was good to win. They can play better. But they have won

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war both matches. They didn't get back to England until 4am on

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Thursday. QPR will test them. But Mauricio Pochettino has totered --

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started all right and he is a good manager. Thank you. Already getting

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tweets in. Adebayor has tweeted, let's get another three points. Do

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you think things same calmer at Spurs? They need to be. They do need

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to have, to give this coach some time. They have had a huge turn

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around in managers in last ten years. I'm a big fan of Mauricio

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Pochettino, he is a strong coach and gets his team playing in a

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particular way. This group of players could be good for him. What

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I have been pleased about is they haven't chopped and changed the

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squad. They didn't need to do that. There is an argument that Mauricio

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Pochettino is alone as an Argentinian will be good for

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Lamella. He is young and it took him a long time to settle at Roma and

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this could be his season. If not they will cut their losses. That is

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a point with Lamella he is young and some players need time to settle.

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Yes very young and a huge price tag as well. I know its not the player's

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fault. But it will weigh on someone so young. Mauricio Pochettino, we

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have seen last year at Southampton, everyone was impressed with how well

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they played. I think it is time they gave him four or five years to get

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his team in there and get the best out of the players. They spent a lot

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last summer and seven or eight players and it is port they have got

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-- important they get time to bed in. As far as QPR, what will

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constituent a -- constitute a good season? To stay up. They need to get

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to that 40 point mark quickly. They have enough within the squad to do

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that. I think the personnel he brought in over the summer,

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Ferdinand, he did make a mistake for last week's goal, but he will

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provide stability and experience and professionalism. That will run

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through the squad. How interesting do you think it is that Harry

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Redknapp is secure enough to bring coaches into the club who are

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managers themselves. Whether it be Steve McClaren, or Glenn Hoddle. Not

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many managers would do that. He is secure in his own right. A lot of

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managers wouldn't do it and would feel under pressure and as soon as

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they bring in a coach. It is credit to Harry Redknapp that he can do

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that. He knows it will enhance his reputation. Harry is getting older.

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He needs somebody doing a lot of training on the pitch. But what is

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interesting, if they hadn't have got promoted, he would have gone. But as

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Kevin says, he had that confidence to think I will bring in somebody

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like Glenn Hoddle. People forget how long Glenn Hoddle has been out of

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coaching. It is good for Glenn Hoddle. He could have taken the

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Palace job. But he said QPR have given me the opportunity. But it is

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unusual. Paul Lamb Bert is doing it with Roy Keane as soon as he was

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appointed as assistant, we said, we know what will happen, he will take

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over. But it is about being secure in your position. Yes and it was

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Paul Lamb Bert's decision to bring Roy Keane in. Roy Keane is a manager

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in his own right. But it is fantastic that he believes in his

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own ability that he can bring in an ex-player, or a coach of his Cal ber

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to a-- calibre to assist him. You can hear commentary of Spurs and

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QPR. The other lunchtime game is Hull versus spoke. A lot of people

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were being positive about spoke and their transfer business. We deserved

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the three points last week. It could have been two or 3-0. Spoke will --

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Stoke will look for a response and it is a tough game with Hull winning

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last week. I will find manager to talk to you about that isn't

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surprising. Hull have had a bit of a tough week. They won at QPR, but

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they were beaten in the Europa League and the loss of Robert

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Snodgrass will be big. Yes I think Steve Bruce, he is going to be in

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the transfer market. There is talk of Jordan Rhodes going to the club.

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Is he worth ?10 million or whatever Blackburn ask? Mac-Cormack moved for

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11, I think he is in that sort of bracket. What if Balotelli goes for

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15. That makes his deal. Shane Long is going for 12 million and they

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played 10 million for Rhodes, he does haven't that much experience.

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West Brom only paid six million for Shane Long. But the market has

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changed and that is where we are at. The clock is ticking and we have a

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week to go. He has got to do something and the price goes up for

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these players. Clubs know you need to do that. It is odd how it works,

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if you went back before they sold Shane Long to Southampton, even said

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it has been a good summer for Steve Bruce, but then one injury and one

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transfer out and they're looking thin. They made five and a half

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million on Shane Long in six months. That is good business for a guy who

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scored four goals last season. If they spend it all on Jordan Rhodes,

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will that work. They're different players and Rhodes is a natural goal

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scorer. Shane Long has so much all round ability. It is, they could hit

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a good combination with Jelavic. Or it could be the same player. Let's

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talk about some of the other transfers. If you look at the Sunday

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morning papers there is one transfer in particular that is dominating.

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The express saying Louis van Gaal closing on in Angel. United win ?50

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million race to snap up Di Maria. And the Sunday Telegraph, they close

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in on a record ?60 million deal for de Maria. Call oh and Shalott says

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Di Maria has not trained with those today. -- Ansel Lotti. He says, we

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are thankful for what he has done, there is nothing official but it is

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being sorted out. But if you look at social media this morning, there are

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rumours Real Madrid have added ?20 million on the price in 24 hours

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which is even better business. What they are trying to do is create a

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market. They had a deal in place with Paris St Germain which they

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walked away from. There is an understanding they approached

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Manchester City to see if they were interested so they are trying to

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tell Manchester United there is a market but if Manchester United

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going with ?60 million, that should make the deal happen. I think it

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will happen this week if those figures can be reached. It smacks a

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bit... They will say it is a great signing, to me, it is a bit

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desperate for a club who promised so much more. They will say, you do not

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sign up a great player like Di Maria in one week but this is not how it

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was supposed to be at Manchester United this summer. Is the problem

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that Real Madrid do not have to create a market because Manchester

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United are desperate and that desperation means... It can increase

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the desperation. If they say you have to bit higher than Paris. But

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at the same time, Real Madrid could say, we know how desperate you are

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to sign a player so it is irrelevant who else wants him, you have to pay

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it. But maybe they are also desperate to sell. I think so

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because the President said he was desperate to leave. I was surprised

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at Manchester United, we said it would not leave it till the last

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week of the men don't -- of the window because they will have

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business done in the summer, they are such a big club, but now Madrid

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can as such a big amount and Manchester will have to pay it. --

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can demand such a big amount. Where can he play? He played deep for

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Madrid in the midfield last season. And he also played on the left side

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for Madrid last season so he can play in a couple of positions at it

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depends. If you are playing three at the back, this could cause problems.

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At the quality and the running ability he has, he will fit into

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Manchester and they need this. What is interesting is that I think he

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fits in to a 4-3-3 and it went Louis Van Gaal wants to play that -- and I

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think. But he cannot do that because he already has Wayne Rooney and

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Robin Van Persie so who is his main man? He is playing that system to

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accommodate those players. And naturally, he would rather play

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for-3-3. Messages coming again on the other big transfer about Mario

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Balotelli -- coming in on. Balotelli, why not? If he helps to

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get us into the Champions League, why not? For the price tag, is there

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a risk which gave Mark not when we are talking about ?60 million for de

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Maria and ?60 million for Mario Balotelli. I was with him and a lot

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of the stuff you lead is not true. -- is there a risk arrest remarked

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was he a problem to the players? Not at all, he is a big kid and he does

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silly things in the changing room and he wins people up and the media

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make a big thing about that. But the ?16 million, it is a bargain.

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Characters are out of the draw now, there are no characters in the

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dressing rooms, very robotic -- are out of the draw -- not in the game.

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So it is frowned upon and he is an impact straightaway. It might be

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what Liverpool needs. He is still young, 24, 25, Italy's main striker.

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That is a great deal. The Sunday Times had a great article by Graeme

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Souness. He talked about the Italian coach, a good coach, he worked very

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hard to get a la telly on the straight and narrow -- Mario

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Balotelli. He did his best to get him playing at the World Cup and he

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asked what his one regret was and it was picking Mario Balotelli. I hope

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it works at Liverpool, it could be a good club and Brendan Rodgers could

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be a good manager for him. There is a reason it is ?60 million. Do they

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not all have problems with him after a certain amount of time? He would

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not have said the same thing about Mario Balotelli after the Euro

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tournament. But you could argue he cost the manager his job at the

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World Cup. You could argue that Italians also did that so if you

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bring it back to his personality is a big kid, after a couple of years

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of playing for your country and at a club, what if he gets bored? And he

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is getting to that age. Maybe he needs to grow up and focus on his

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football. I think Brendan Rogers is a great manager and he will be the

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right man to sort him out. Brendan Rodgers has experience and a track

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record of turning boys into men. The amount of characters he will have

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had in Chelsea in the youth team, the amount of dysfunctional kids he

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has had to nurture. He has had experience. Luis Suarez last season

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was suspended for the first part of the season and he had the rest

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season of his career. Daniel Sturridge, there are questions about

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him. And Raheem Sterling. They did a documentary and one of the first

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episodes was... That is why we hope this is the right club because we

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want Mario Balotelli to be a success because we need stars in the Premier

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League and it is great to have them in England. The comparison with him

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and Luis Suarez is not right, Mario Balotelli has been more of a

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liability on the pitch than Suarez. I watched him play against West

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Bromwich and he got box. The manager was trying to get him off the pitch

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but he got a second yellow card before he got the chance. -- he got

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blocked. At Milan, the manager asked him not to get sent off again, there

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was a booking in the first half. At half-time, he said, do not do

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anything else. He gets a second yellow card and he has to go off.

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Hopefully he will grow up and this is the right club but there is a

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risk. In America, Brendan Rodgers said he categorically would not be

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signing Mario Balotelli. Something has changed, it is a good price, he

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is a good player. Every transfer is a risk, especially with the inflated

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market now. Sanchez. There is a risk on every transfer. There are two

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sides with a 100% record in the Premier League, one is Chelsea and

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we will hear from Jose Mourinho, the other in Swansea. This is Garry Monk

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who joins us live. Good afternoon. Thank you for joining us. What did

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you work on this week from winning at Manchester United to taking on

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Burnley at home? Was it a mental thing not to Garrett -- not to get

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carried away Mr Mark very much so. -- carried away? Trying to get the

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players to focus and in situations like that, it is about attitude. It

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is a difficult start to the season when you lost your first game away

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at Manchester United and your first home game is against a promoted side

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and we knew it would be a tough game, they are full of confidence

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and energy. We played well first half and in the second half, they

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had nothing to lose and they went for it but our attitude got us

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through it and three points. This was your first preseason at the

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club, getting the team prepared, how difficult has it been to prepare

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your side especially going into that Manchester United side and the

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season ahead? I have had a plan and divided not have that and a way of

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working to put across to the players, it would have been a

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struggle. It has been hard and you learn by your mistakes but we had a

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good pre-season and we went to America and we came back and did

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some good work. It is always nice when players feel especially against

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Manchester United, that some of the stuff we were working on, we had

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success. That is important when you are trying to show them how to do

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it. They believe in it more when they have success which was crucial

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against Manchester and hopefully that set us up for the season. In

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terms of the pre-season, of course it is hard and it is new, but I just

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followed the plan and I made sure I stuck to it. As far as players

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coming and going, is that finished? Are you happy or do you expect more

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movement? Hopefully, we probably need two more signings to secure the

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squad for a hard and long season. Two more would be great and we are

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working on that this week and hopefully we can get them. If we get

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injuries, we become quite thin on the ground. As Swansea are an

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established Premier League club, I thought what Shaun Dykes said was

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interesting about being promoted. -- Didier Drogba. But sometimes it

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takes a while for players to believe they belong -- Sean Dyche. When we

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got promoted, we played with freedom. We did not fear anything. I

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spoke to him after the game and he spoke about it in the first half

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that they were playing a bit with fear. The second half was extremely

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difficult, they just let it go. They played with an attitude and nothing

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to lose and we did that when we first came in. I said, it if you do

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that for the majority of the game, you always have a chance -- if you

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do that. And when people write you off, it gives you the motivation to

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do that in every game. Thank you for your time, enjoy your afternoon.

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The Swansea manager. Let's hear from the other side with a 100% record,

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Chelsea and Jose Mourinho. I love my players and I respect them

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a lot. But I try always to be superb fashion all and to think about my

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club -- to be very professional. If I can be great to the club and the

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players, that is the perfect situation for a manager. If I have

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to choose between the club and the players, it have to choose always

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the club. -- I have two. The point is not always the quality, Peter is

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an amazing goalkeeper. What made me make this decision was the fact that

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he is 22. He cannot lose that we cannot lose this player because we

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do not give him the chance to play for ours -- we cannot lose this

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player. If he does not play for Chelsea, he is a free agent. I made

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a decision for the team and he is playing well, and Peter the same,

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because he is a professional. He will lay. From September. -- he will

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play. We will have competitions and matches every three days. Two

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fantastic goalkeepers we have and I think Chelsea has two of the three

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best. Kevin said, who is that? What was he

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talking about? Jose Mourinho, Chelsea manager, talking about Peta

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check and Thibaut Courtois. This message says, I feel sorry for the

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Chelsea goalkeeper, he is still one of the best. What he has to look at

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the future. to get into Peter's head, because he

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is one of best in the world and he will want to play first team

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football. Did you feel the same when it was you at Joe Hart at City. Yes,

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I wasn't entirely happy about the situation and hence I moved. Being a

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professional, you want to play matches. Cech is a top keeper. Is it

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different as a keeper, because keepers tell me that you can't be

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rotated in the same way full-backs can. Mourinho did mention they have

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the European games and the League Cup and things, but I just think

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there is not enough football for the two. Courtois is a fantastic keeper

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and Mourinho had to make that decision ten years ago when Cech and

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Cudicini were involved. He said Cech was the future. It is different both

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were on a different level to Cudicini. Cech is on a different

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level to what Cudicini was and he is still one of top keepers in the

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world. We were quizzing Mourinho about this and he said this is a

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good decision to have. It is a decision every club would want. We

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can keep them both, because we are Chelsea. I think it will be

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difficult to keep Cech. He op has two years -- only has two years s

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left on his contract and he is one of the top keepers and Mourinho said

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it is Courtois and Cech. Why would you want to have the best two

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keepers and keep one on the bench? The problem Cech has, there is a

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young phenomenon and I think Courtois will be the best keeper in

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the world and Cech will probably have to go at some stage. Harry

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said, Di Maria is a top signing and just what Manchester United have

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needed since Ronaldo. Manchester United at the Stadium Of Light

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today. The 4 o'clock game. Guy Mowbray is doing it for movtd 2

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later. - Match of the Day later. And Gus Poyet, he has been talking about

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the psychology of football and Sunderland shouldn't feel

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comfortable that they have, well that they have got used to beating

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Manchester United? They are used to it after last season. Winning at Old

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Trafford for the first time since 1968 was a big deal and played a

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part in them staying up. I remember the words he used before that game,

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he said he needed a miracle to stay up last season and Louis van Gaal is

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using the same word about a miracle for Manchester United to win the

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league. Sunderland are comfortable. I have been around this club for

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many years and they want to be more than comfortable. I look at their

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squad and I find it such a contradiction all the way through. I

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look at the striker, women Whickham and Fletcher. I think good but will

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they get a bucket full of goals. There is no top match winner in

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midfield. I look at the defence and wonder about the fitness of Brown

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and O'Shea. I think the keepers are all right. But surely Sunderland

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won't be in a relegation scrap. Will Manchester United look fair to

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middling this afternoon? Still plenty of players missing and their

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new signing does haven't a work permit. No, there has been an issue

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with the Marcus Rojo. So we won't see him today. But it is a play hear

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the is needed. I saw them play Swansea and they weren't great. It

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underlined the work that Louis van Gaal has got to do with United.

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Because I can see in these early weeks there is pressure on the front

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players, the Mata, van Persie, Rooney triangle. Van Persie will be

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back, but they have to perform. It just doesn't look all that great

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when you look at that three and four in front of De Gea, who is an

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excellent keeper. Mata, van Persie and Rooney are key and Mata

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particularly. I didn't think he influenced the game. He didn't get

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into the game with Swansea. He has got to have a big game today. Thank

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you. To be fair to the Manchester United manager, before the season

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started, Jason Burt, he did say my first three months at most clubs

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expected to be, it is rough. So Manchester United fans expect it to

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be rough. Yes, that is true. If you go back over his record at Munich

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and Barcelona, it was a slow start. Munich in particular, he almost lost

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his job in the autumn and there was talk of him going and they turned it

:35:35.:35:38.

around and won the lying. The problem in the Premier League is

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something Alex Ferguson mentioned, when Mourinho has almost changed the

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lapped scape -- landscape, you can't play yourself into the league. You

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have got to hit the ground running. Mourinho came in and won the league

:35:51.:35:56.

and Chelsea were into their straps and up and running. Manchester

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United have changed the way they play. Alex Ferguson had to change

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the way the team played. He can't play himself into the league. Does

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that mean if you can't ease yourself into a league, it is whatrd to

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develop -- it is hard to develop youngsters if you're craving

:36:16.:36:21.

immediate success. Manchester rut always craving success. They done so

:36:22.:36:26.

well pre-season. Maybe some supporters thought it was just the

:36:27.:36:31.

Louis van Gaal effect. But the wake up call was Swansea. They do need I

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don't know how many players, four or five, six players to come in. If

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they don't, then it will be another long slog for them. One thing you

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hear from various people about the Manchester United way, I think every

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club, 91 other clubs have tried to play the Manchester United way. When

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you're a kid growing up you look at Giggs and Scholes and even Paul Ince

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and Roy Keane. Now Manchester United may have to get real in the next

:37:07.:37:10.

year or two and think we are going to make signings, but it must be

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progression, not instant success. It won't come overnight for Louis van

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Gaal and he is right in saying that. It will take time. What did you make

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of Guy's club talking about Sunderland and saying he can't see

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how it fits together. At Sunderland? Yes. I thought the job Gus Poyet did

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last year was a minimiracle to get them out of the trouble they were.

:37:38.:37:43.

He said he needs some more players. I think they have got a lot of

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experience in the Premier League and maybe a few are ageing, but I think

:37:47.:37:49.

they should be all right. I don't think they will be top half. But I

:37:50.:37:55.

don't think they will be near the relegation zone. If Gus Poyet gets

:37:56.:38:01.

the players he wants. Will be a big week for Sunderland in the transfer

:38:02.:38:08.

mshg -- market. The Borini deal they thought was done. I am sure Brendan

:38:09.:38:15.

Rodgers will sit down with Porrini -- Borini and say you have to go.

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That is a good deal for Liverpool. If they can get 14 for Borini, 16

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for Balotelli coming in, that is a good deal. It minimises the risk

:38:27.:38:37.

more. Let's go back to White Hart Lane. Ian Brown has the team nows t

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-- news. Tottenham are back from the heat of Cyprus where they played on

:38:43.:38:46.

Thursday. A few of the star turns didn't travel there. So they should

:38:47.:38:53.

be fresh. Adebayor and Ericsson among them. Two changes. Vertonghen

:38:54.:38:58.

be fresh. Adebayor and Ericsson comes in and Chadly is in. QPR make

:38:59.:39:06.

three changes and there are two newcomers, Isla comes in and Fer,

:39:07.:39:12.

signed from Norwich, is in the midfield. Phillips start. Simpson

:39:13.:39:25.

and Faulene on bench. You can listen to that on Five Live. Now more about

:39:26.:39:30.

Balotelli and Liverpool, Manchester City against Liverpool is the big

:39:31.:39:35.

game tomorrow. The greater question about Balotelli is how he would fit

:39:36.:39:40.

into this Liverpool team. There is probably a question mark over a

:39:41.:39:44.

couple of Liverpool players. Who would you have a question mark over?

:39:45.:39:53.

I mean how he will fit the players, the Ricky Lamberts and others. Will

:39:54.:40:00.

this push him further down the pecking order and it is interesting

:40:01.:40:05.

to see how he will use the players. Against Southampton, they were poor

:40:06.:40:07.

in the second half and Southampton should have won the game. They lost

:40:08.:40:11.

it in the end, but they should have got something from the game. There

:40:12.:40:16.

will be a few questions that will be asked of Liverpool over the next few

:40:17.:40:20.

weeks if they're not getting results. Danny Murphy said he

:40:21.:40:25.

thought they needed another midfielder. The problem they have a

:40:26.:40:31.

bit, but they overachieved last year and now expect wakeses has gone --

:40:32.:40:36.

expectations has gone through the roof and if they get in the top

:40:37.:40:41.

four, I think it will be a UK is Cescful season. -- it will be a

:40:42.:40:48.

successful season. It is fitting the right people in the right positions

:40:49.:40:54.

and if Balotelli comes in will it be a swap for Luis Suarez and the

:40:55.:40:59.

others around them. Luis Suarez could play on the left and right. I

:41:00.:41:04.

don't think see that from Balotelli and I don't think Sturridge is keen

:41:05.:41:10.

on doing that. They're both want to be the target man. This is the

:41:11.:41:16.

dilemma that he will have. He is a very different player from Luis

:41:17.:41:19.

Suarez. Going back to the original point. It is more about getting in a

:41:20.:41:25.

good experienced striker, Champions League striker to bolster the squad.

:41:26.:41:31.

Would you bring in a midfielder? I thought Lucas was going to go this

:41:32.:41:34.

summer. I think at the moment, I'm surprised he started last week. But

:41:35.:41:40.

that is an area they do need to look at. He is a good player. He will be

:41:41.:41:50.

another addition. Manuel Pellegrini has told his players these games are

:41:51.:41:56.

the six pointers. Your title rivals at home, you can put a big gap

:41:57.:42:01.

between you and your rivals. They look like they were in cruise

:42:02.:42:05.

control at Newcastle last week. Yes, it was a great start. A lot of the

:42:06.:42:08.

players were away at the World Cup too and there were question marks

:42:09.:42:12.

about how they would start the season. But it was a well deserved

:42:13.:42:16.

victory. Tomorrow will be interesting, it is a shame Balotelli

:42:17.:42:20.

isn't signed for that game. It would add that extra spice going back to

:42:21.:42:24.

Manchester City. But you know it is even's probably building it up to be

:42:25.:42:28.

one of the games of season and hopefully it will be. Sometimes you

:42:29.:42:32.

can build them up too much. The players they bring in at City seem

:42:33.:42:37.

to hit the ground running. Fernandinho did it last season.

:42:38.:42:43.

Fernando did it last week, he came in and was calm and settled as if he

:42:44.:42:47.

had been there for years. You go back to comparison with Manchester

:42:48.:42:52.

United, City have done a lot of their business early. The two big

:42:53.:43:01.

deals of Fernando and Eliaquim Mangala. Fernando is a perfect

:43:02.:43:05.

player for them. They have done the deals early. People say Manchester

:43:06.:43:11.

City had a quiet summer, they haven't, they picked up players.

:43:12.:43:17.

Manchester City have filmed in the dpap -- filled in the gaps

:43:18.:43:26.

snoochltty key play fore-- - The key player is that he makes it easier to

:43:27.:43:32.

integrate players. He also wants the ball and makes it easier for the

:43:33.:43:36.

opposition to find opponents, for team-mates to find him and that is

:43:37.:43:40.

the reason why all these players seem to go in and find it easy,

:43:41.:43:46.

because of Silva. Thank you all very much. Kevin, Shay and Jason. The

:43:47.:43:50.

athletics is on BBC Two this afternoon and the football all

:43:51.:43:56.

afternoon on Five Live and Match of the Day 2 tonight on BBC1. We will

:43:57.:43:58.

see you next week. Old friends John Thomson

:43:59.:44:09.

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