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Hello and welcome to Match Of The Day 2 Extra on BBC Two,

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Joining me today are Martin Keown, Guy Mowbray and Henry Winter.

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Use the hashtag bbcfootball on social media, or text 85058

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Over the next 45 minutes we discuss a first win for Bob Bradley at

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Chelsea stay top of the Premier League

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and heap more misery on a bad week for Spurs.

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Fourth place Arsenal will hope to keep pace with the leaders today

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when they face Bournemouth and we'll have updates from Vicarage Road

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the game kicked off at midday, it's goalless. These are the back pages.

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And the murder, on the David Manchester United meet West Ham,

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suggesting that Jose Mourinho once Dmitri Payet. We start of the

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Liberty Stadium, 24 hours ago, we might not have imagined we'd be

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doing. Swansea against Crystal Palace, 5-4. Martin, I know you are

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keeping an eye on this, for all it's a remarkable game, the defending was

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appalling. It's one of those situations you see central defenders

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go to the opposition, talking about Tompkinson winning every header. But

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in the own box they couldn't win the balls and I don't know if that's

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down to desire. When you score as a central defender, do your job first.

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The way the game went, 3-1 up, Swansea, they started to panic,

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clearing balls for fun and it ebbed and flowed. You could see both

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managers what it meant. Pardew is hanging perilously in his job

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because of that result. We will come to him in a moment but let's start

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with the positives, Swansea, let's hear from Bob Bradley. I can say it

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enough, it's a great bunch of guys, unbelievable club, I have loved

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every second of being here and I know when things are going in the

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wrong direction, it takes sometimes, real determination and courage. You

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can only repeat that message so many times, the words get old. Today I

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don't need to say much and I can let them feel good about it, they get an

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extra day off and we go back to work knowing we still have a long way to

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go. He spoke to me on five live sport yesterday and he said he wants

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to celebrate and at the same time kill some of his players after that

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performance! I liked his line, I may be stupid but I'm stubborn! That was

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it. I think we talk about Alan Pardew in a moment, the fact he

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might be under pressure. I noticed yesterday Bob Bradley before the

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game was the favourite with the bookies to lose his job. He's only

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been here five minutes, give him a chance to have a go with the players

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he inherited. They got going into real circumstances, I watched the

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highlights, I can echo what Martin said about the defending. One of

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those games, a freak. It's the kind of result that you could use to

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springboard your season, really, given they had to come back and the

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nature of that. If it had been 1-0 Swansea would it have felt like such

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a momentous victory? Bubbly not. He's an interesting character, I

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think there is a cultural snobbery towards American coaches in this

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country. I bumped into him 5-6 years ago and I said you interested in

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coming over to the Premier League and he said it's difficult, there is

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a cultural snobbery and Bruce Arena, one of the great coaches, said that

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as well. Remove the accident from Bob Bradley, he's not that different

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from other managers in pressurised situations. Just in general? From

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media, the fans? They say soccer, they said defence, things like that

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but there is a pretty experienced coach there. Does he deserve a job

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in the Premier League? That's a different argument. Its results,

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look at what he's achieved, you question is he the right man? Even

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after 3- war games? He's conceded against Man United. No character

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from his players, they lost a last-minute equaliser against

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Everton. Knocked the stuffing out of them. There is character there.

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Scratching the surface, yesterday, no doubt, the crowd played its part.

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As a player, when you leave the pitch, it feels like a double win,

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like it on you together and suddenly everything the manager says makes

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sense and it might just be the catalyst that fishes them because

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they've come off the foot of the table. Henry is spot on. I can say

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that, I am guilty. When we heard Bob Bradley speak, we smiled instantly,

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we hear an American talk about our sport but he's been around at all

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his life, knows what he is doing. For example, we get coaches who

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don't speak and dish as their first language, we don't mock them,

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because of the different terminology. We should give him

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credit. Also some of the said defence, depending what shall we are

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presenting! As far as Crystal Palace are concerned, twice every year we

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have a discussion about whether Alan Pardew might lose his job and that's

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not just a Crystal Palace, also when he was at Newcastle. Mainly because

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his teams go in really streaky runs, either they win a load on the trot

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or they lose, never seems to be a great deal of in between. I look at

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the team and I wonder about the leaders. I thought he was one of

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those individuals who would rally them, would talk, which showed grit

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and determination, Delaney as well. There is a debate on the fan forum

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about whether he should come back in, because he's a gritty defender

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who will talk to them and I don't know whether it's a quiet team, you

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would have to be in the dressing room to know, but they seem to be

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lacking leadership and that's not purely Pardew. You are not sure

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which one of the players he believes in. Every player at some point has

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been axed. Jason Puncheon last year, a shocking decision. Lassie is gone.

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Who does he believe in? You have to identify players. -- Bolasie. It

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goes up and down remarkably, Pardew is not aware of it, you feel there's

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an interview he wants to have when he is on a good run and I wonder if

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at times it pulls the players apart. Maybe they have to learn from the

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situation, I feel he has a really good set of players and he's not

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getting the best from them when he has got Benteke, the players that he

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wanted, that relationship between him and Steve Parish will be tested

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because there is a loyalty there. To put it into context, 2013-14 at

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Newcastle, he won ten of his first eight team but lost 14 out of the

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last 20. He joined Crystal Palace, 110 out of 18 Premier League games

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to keep them up, 15-16 nine out of 17 but just two of the remaining 21.

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It's remarkable, like a goal-scoring streak. We've been talking about

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leaders and big players, where is Yohan Cabaye? You should be running

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that team. Alan Pardew trusts him, had him as Newcastle, brought him

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back. I don't think they'll make a decision on it soon and I don't

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think they should. They are a better squad than they are showing, I think

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results will pick up. They are going to have to. They will. People like

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Benteke's defending was called into question yesterday, didn't seem to

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be up for it. Pardew, not long ago, Premier League Manager of the Year,

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his peers voted him. At school from the bottom to the top, top Chelsea

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and Spurs. If you had to pick one thing that impressed you most about

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Antonio Conte at the start of the season, what would it be? I could

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give you five. I don't want five, I want one. Half-time at the Arsenal

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game, the Emirates, after Mezut Ozil scored, the way he changed it, about

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ten minutes into the second half, three at the back. That changed it.

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It liberated Eden Hazard, allowed Pedro and Eden Hazard to get closer

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to Diego Costa. His man management work on Diego Costa has been

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interesting. In the first half, he was the old school Diego Costa, bull

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in a china shop and he obviously got into him at half-time. You saw the

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impact. I love it the way, you go to Stamford Bridge, he energised as the

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crowd with that animated behaviour. And when he comes into the press

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conference, he is not rude to other managers, doesn't play the mind

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games that Jose Mourinho dolls, gets animated and engaged. I feel he

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doesn't get the back-up of the back four, I don't think he understands

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the system well, plays with three, knows it inside out, it's a

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variation of the Italian system, not quite the same. Making good use of

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Pedro and Eden Hazard and yesterday, I thought Tottenham were finding a

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way through that to make it difficult. The isolated David Luiz,

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I didn't think anyone else had done that. A moment yesterday from

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Pochettino, I thought that was helpful, to see the way there was an

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issue with a challenge, he thought that Conte's staff were overreacting

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and I think that's something a manager does have a say over, how

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his staff react and he went and dealt with that very well. Good to

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see that healthy -- healthiness between the managers. Seven wins on

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the bounce, outstanding. I liken him to Jurgen Klopp. Passion and

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honesty. How he is on the touchline. One of the players, Thibaut Courtois

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was asked if he liked that in training, it must be exhausting? We

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know he is, that's not an act, the way he is on the touchline, he was

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like that with Italy and Juventus. This may sound ridiculous, I

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suppose, when you talk about coaching. Not all cultures seem to

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improve players, but he appears to be a coach, for all the talk of

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systems and all that, he has improved players that he has under

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his disposal. As Martin said, it's this system that liberated the

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players as well as improve them and the liberation is seen mainly on the

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right, in Victor Moses. He has just been outstanding. Whether that's

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improving or actually he's taken the shackles off them and created that

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platform they can express themselves. Moses knows he has to

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travel with the ball as fast and quick as he can into the right-wing

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berth. When he played right he wasn't quite sure of himself, now he

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is certain of his role and responsibility. David Luiz is never

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really exposed, I isolate him? Is its simplicity of instruction that

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allows players to improve, once you get to a certain level? Do you see

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what I mean? I think people underestimate the quality of a

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really top manager. Good layers, top manager in tandem, you can almost

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achieve anything. Clear direction, they need to know, these guys know

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they are believed in by the manager and they can see on the bench. Look

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over the shoulder, he is picking me about any other. Oscar and Fabregas,

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not getting near the team. These eyes on the pitch are free in their

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minds. Totally different players. Alan says I wish people would settle

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down and stop treating Conte and Jurgen Klopp like they are the

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Messiah. Gary Lineker said last night neither club has any European

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football this season, huge advantage, with the money and squads

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they should be in the tough four now. Federico says amazing coach,

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hated him as a player but I might think he's the best around. Let's go

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to the garage road. The first goal of the day has gone on. Stoke City,

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unlike legal. Charlie Adam with a header from a corner, hit the inside

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of the post, hit Gomez and gone in. I think that will be an own goal but

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it's no more than Stoke deserve, been impressive so far, and early

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shot flashed past the post, short of 25 yards, Stoke in sky blue colours,

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leading by a goal. Don't get Guy started on teams wearing the

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wickets. Do you want to respond? Either -- I remember at the Panini

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sticker album of 1978! I must go for a pint with you sometime! As for

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Antonio Conte and Jurgen Klopp, it's a valid point, they don't have

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European football, should be pushing on. But you can pull the wool over

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the fans eyes. This club haven't particularly taken, Benitez, taken

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time to adopt, get fully behind, 1-0 up, the first chant from the Chelsea

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fans, Antonio. It was Antonio Conte who was getting the plaudits. We

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need to have a word on Spurs. The first league defeat of the season.

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If you are looking at stats. And yet they've only won one out of the last

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ten in league and cup. Is the best way to look at it somewhere in

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between? For the club of that ambition, it

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was not the greatest bench. That reflects the injuries. They're

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missing other viral, Erik Lamela. Harry Kane was over seven weeks.

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Christian Eriksen has only started to come back to form. They have had

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issues with injuries. Toby Alderweireld is a massive mess. Is

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this pivotal season for Spurs? The new stadium is going to be built,

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there are talks about Harry Kane 's contract. They missed out on Michy

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Batshuayi in the summer. Is this a big season of deciding at boardroom

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level what kind of club they are going to be? They got Vincent

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Janssen instead. Pochettino has a reputation for bringing through the

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kids. He has given Harry Winks a chance. You can see the facilities

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they have got at their training centre. They have a fantastic

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academy setup. Daniel Levy will have to break through the wage structure.

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They will have to go through the ?100,000 a week March. They have got

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that constraint. They are ten years behind Arsenal. People will love

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that. Arsenal had the new stadium situation ten years ago. It stopped

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Arsenal from buying the players they needed to to compete because of the

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expense of the stadium. Spurs are doing well to compete. The only

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embarrassment is the way they went out of the Champions League. That is

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maybe a link to the fact that, to play at Wembley, as we did, it was

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the only two seasons that Arsenal did not qualify for the latter

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stages. There is never a home game. Forget about the performances at

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Wembley. If they want to play Vilani Premier League next season, that is

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another thing to think about, it could affect them. For long periods

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yesterday, Spurs played well. Callum says that the better team lost. He

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is right. Pochettino is an intelligent, composed manager. He is

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very balanced. I expect them to finish in the top four. It will be a

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difficult situation. It is not an easy Premier League. Man United are

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already 11 points behind the top team today. Tottenham are having a

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decent season. At Anfield yesterday, Liverpool had to work hard. You were

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there. Yes, I heard lots of people complaining afterwards saying it was

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only Sunderland. Sunderland have come off the back of two victories.

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They frustrated them with their game plan. It took them ages, but they

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still broken down. They will not win the league with performances like

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that, people say. They will not have to play like that. They missed

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Coutinho. The scan is a massive thing. He left the ground on

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crutches. He is a super player. Probably a top three performance in

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the Premier League this season. He came on and had an impact. There

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will be worried people about it in you. Let's hear from Jurgen Klopp.

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You spoke to him afterwards. This interview has been picked up

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everywhere. When you read it it implies one thing. When you hear

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that it is something else. We will get your interpretation later. This

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was maybe the most defensive team I ever saw in my life. Sunderland

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always plays and defensive style. That is OK. We forced them to be

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very defensive. Victor Anichebe has played the left fullback. They had

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one striker and nine defenders if you want. That is the most thing in

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world football, to come through. We had our chances, we stayed cool, we

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stayed concentrated. We worked for the moment. We got the moment and we

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deserved the three points. Explain how you interpret that? If you read

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that, you think, they parked the bus, how dare they? I do not think

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he meant that, but that is the headline. I think it was purely an

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observation. How difficult the challenge was? Sunderland have

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played a big team and sat back because they did not have the

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quality to match them like-for-like. I do not think it was meant. It may

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have been a little bit, but it was not meant as a pop. It was going off

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on the touchline during the game. Maybe he was agreed that that. He

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has got to get used to that. He said, it is OK, that is absolutely

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OK. They had 72% possession. Remarkable. Sunderland did not start

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that way. They had chances. In the first 20 minutes they try to have a

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go. But as the game went on, Liverpool had so much of the ball.

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It was a natural reaction. For the teams that are challenging, you will

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have to break down what is in front of you. Coutinho is a big mess.

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Lallana needs to come back quickly as well. He scores the goals, it is

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remarkable. The chances that he misses. Jurgen Klopp creates an

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energy. These are outstanding managers. It is great to see them

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plying their trade in our Premier League. Yesterday, he virtually went

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into the crowd. They had to pull him out. He wanted more from the Anfield

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faithful. If you are a supporter, do not underestimate what you bring to

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the party. The atmosphere is outstanding. He is adding to that.

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He gets a performance from his team and he celebrates. As long as there

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is control, I love to see it. He has to be careful his team do not go too

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far. He only knows one way to behave, does his team only know one

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way how to play? They can go a long way if they can control it,

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Liverpool. Klopp improves players. He has raced Adam Lallana. I thought

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that Adam Lallana was a 67 minute player, fantastic on highlights. Now

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he is scoring late on, he has sustained stamina. He has influence

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and he does practical things, like playing James Milner at left back.

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He had to do it, but he has been outstanding, James Milner. They like

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penalty taking fullbacks in Liverpool. He will become a legend.

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I like the energy he has. He has seen through the Punch and Judy

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approach that the English have to football. It is always about

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individuals rather than philosophy and tactics. His interview with you

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is a case in point. He was making some cam, tactical points. It does

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not have to be a dig at the opposition, it could be something he

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has observed. If we're going to keep that going, does David Moyes deserve

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credit for how he employed Jason deny yesterday, trying to sniff out

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Coutinho? If we're going to go big on the foreign manager coming in are

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doing brilliantly with this tactic, and this tactic, I know David Moyes

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lost 2-0, but did he get his tactics right? In the first 20 minutes,

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Jason Denayer was following Coutinho wherever he went. We did not expect

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that. When Coutinho went off, Jason Denayer did not know who to follow

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for a while. He had the game plan and it newly worked. That said,

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Sadio Mane missed chances. Other chances went by the wayside. On

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another day it could have been four, a different game. Shane has said,

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what did you expect from Sunderland? We do not have the luxury of players

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like Divock Origi, Sadio Mane or Coutinho. We will sit back and

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defend. Jurgen Klopp, let's see what you could do with a team like ours.

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If we had played attacking football we would have been torn apart.

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Talking about the influence of fans, when I used to go do, what did that

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do? It made me play better. You are a Manchester United fan. I would

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have bid you whoever I supported. Let's come on to Manchester City and

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Burnley. Manchester City went with a sturdier team. There was Fernando,

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Yaya Toure. Players were left out. That is what I like about Guardiola.

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Everyone thought it was going to be beautiful football, Barcelona in the

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north-west, but he can mix it up. Gritty performances. At the end of

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this season, people will not necessarily remember the beauty of

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games in this period, but they are picking up points. He's turning them

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into your machine. You can question the marking, but Aguero is always

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there. He can give you a threat. That is why he is so clever. Two

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similar away games they have had Palace and Burnley away. They have

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had to begin. Guardiola has spoken about how he keeps learning,

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understanding. When he was manager at Barcelona, we said, how weak they

:25:18.:25:22.

cope with Stoke? He's doing it. He is making sure that the centre

:25:23.:25:27.

Discover. Great to see Yaya Toure feature in both of those games. He

:25:28.:25:33.

plays both sides of the game, nitty-gritty stuff. If they had

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taken him at Arsenal ahead of Patrick Viera, it could have been

:25:38.:25:42.

very different for Arsenal. He is a wonderful player, Yaya Toure. Great

:25:43.:25:46.

to see him back. They have patched up their differences and we can see

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him every week. Guardiola has controlled that situation well. Yaya

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Toure's agent was making these comments. Guardiola said, I am going

:25:56.:26:00.

to play you when I think you're ready, when you're fit. When your

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agent has come down. Guardiola has controlled that situation

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brilliantly. If I was to play devil's advocate, could he have

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sorted it out sooner, so that Yaya Toure was available before the

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middle of November? Possibly. Maybe he thought he was not fit enough.

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Now he is lean and ready to go. To come back and play that well so

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quickly, it shows you the classy player has. When you see the players

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celebrating with him, it seems to have pulled the group together. He

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has come in from the cold. It has helped them. We talk about intensity

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with Klopp and Conte. It is a different sort of intensity with

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Guardiola. I get the feeling they never sleeps. It is like he spends

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every second thinking about football. On match days years on

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edge. It looks like he has his Dover sole about midnight. Can you imagine

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your roll full working day without eating? It is not the healthiest.

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Arsene Wenger is the Arsenal manager, he manages everything to do

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with that football club. I think it is the same with Guardiola. I have

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got to speak about the back page on the Mirror. Some of the gestures

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from the family section of Burnley to Raheem Sterling were out of

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order. I would agree. Nice of you to cover that up in case anyone can

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see. Let's go from City to United. They play West Ham at Old Trafford

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this afternoon. Mourinho thinks they are still in the title race.

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When I won the last title 18 years ago...

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Sorry, 18 months ago, I had a ten point advantage

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and then in one month I had the same points as Man City.

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During the season there are moments everything goes against you,

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or everything goes in your favour so we know it is not over.

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There is a distance and many quality teams, so it is a difficult

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competition, but let's see what happens.

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Is he right, Henry Winter? He is a good manager. They are 12 points

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away from the top. When you look at the squad, the players, the

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potential of Rashford, the experience of Wayne Rooney, Zlatan

:28:52.:28:53.

Ibrahimovic who has won titles everywhere. He has been unfortunate

:28:54.:28:59.

with some injuries, particularly defensively. Phil Jones has stepped

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in. The amount of money that squad is being paid, they should be

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competing for the title. He is what journalists call an optician.

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Everything is either, I. You would not have got Arsene Wenger doing

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that. He is bringing in the players. He has handled the Rooney situation

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well by stamping down on the FA, backing Wayne Rooney. Everything

:29:28.:29:33.

tends to end up with the Mourinho headline, but if Rooney scores today

:29:34.:29:38.

and equal Sir Bobby Charlton's record, or if he scores twice and

:29:39.:29:42.

eclipses it, it will be difficult for Mourinho to gate-crash that

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headline. It is about getting results. You did pick up on what he

:29:45.:29:50.

was saying. He said, I won this, I won that. As a manager and players,

:29:51.:29:59.

you win or lose together. In that situation, he could not necessarily

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say we. He has now the Manchester United manager. I was a part of a

:30:04.:30:09.

very successful situation. It was not just me. That is how he manages.

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But he is right. When you are at the top of the table, you never know if

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you're going to win the Championship. There is

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inconsistency. That is the landscape. There is no excellence

:30:22.:30:29.

from anybody. When he was at Chelsea, if you lost again, you

:30:30.:30:34.

could not recover. Now you can. In the Sunday Times today, Graeme

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Souness has done his column on Manchester United and West Ham. He

:30:38.:30:41.

says he is not sure that probably knows what he's doing in that

:30:42.:30:47.

midfield. Does he know his role? He also says, maybe West Ham have seen

:30:48.:30:49.

the best of Dimitri Payet. You can argue both of those. Pogba

:30:50.:30:55.

has had a more defined role. Michael played on Saturday and Thursday. I

:30:56.:31:08.

can't see him bringing Schneiderlin back in. It may be that he will have

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to change rules slightly again today. I disagree rather with

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Martin. I don't think anybody is out of the title race. We have to call

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it around October, November. Until after Christmas, when Man City won

:31:27.:31:31.

the league in 2012, they were eight points behind with eight games to

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play. Look at that fully fit squad, potentially a bench with Rooney,

:31:39.:31:42.

unbelievable talent on the bench, waiting to play. They have got to

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win today. Do you think in recent games, a lot of United fans say the

:31:49.:31:53.

performances have been better than the results in the last month? And a

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lot of fans will tell you that's because Michael Carrick has come

:31:59.:32:05.

back in, the shape he is provided, he is very much the sitting

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midfielder and what's interesting, a couple of occasions when Valencia

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was pushing up and Carrick would slot in at right back. He has that

:32:14.:32:19.

housing range. He invariably looks forward and I think as you say, he's

:32:20.:32:26.

improved Pogba, Juan Mata playing well, Ander Herrera. I think they've

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been slightly unfortunate not getting points. You mention Herrera

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and character, coming from behind, not first choices. You identify the

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players who will do the best job for you straightaway. Isn't that the

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sign of a good manager? Carrick was in starting, Ander Herrera, I agree

:32:48.:32:51.

you can rewind and say he should have made those decisions first but

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he reacted to an initial mistake. If he'd done it before, you could argue

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he didn't see that early enough within the squad and people being

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shelved and not used. We perceive him as dogmatic and not changing.

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The ones who have come in, the ones he wanted to play didn't necessarily

:33:14.:33:16.

do the business so it'll be interesting to see what he does

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today with Rashford, Rooney. Ibrahimovic has been offered a new

:33:21.:33:24.

contract. I think that's a good move, he's a good person to have

:33:25.:33:29.

around those young players but Anthony Martial, it looks as if they

:33:30.:33:33.

are unsure. You have to manage it in a way you see fit but we judging by

:33:34.:33:38.

results and at the moment they are a long way from winning the Premier

:33:39.:33:42.

League. West Ham in a moment playing Manchester United and Arsenal next

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week, just above the bottom three. The half-time whistle has gone at

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Vicarage Road, a good first for the visitors. Stoke City leading by 1-0,

:33:52.:33:59.

Watford had a chance to go six in the table but they are fluffing the

:34:00.:34:04.

lines so far. You can hear booing in the background for the referee Bobby

:34:05.:34:10.

madly, who has made a range of decisions upsetting the home camp.

:34:11.:34:15.

Charlie Adams heading from a corner, hit the inside of the post,

:34:16.:34:20.

ricocheted in off a radio Gomez, into the net. Some nice touches

:34:21.:34:29.

shown for Stoke. A final word for West Ham, they have got Man United

:34:30.:34:39.

midweek, then Arsenal next week. With all due respect to the EFL cup,

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this is the one that matters, Perl is the close to the bottom three. We

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talk about Alan Pardew, where is Slaven village? He acknowledges he

:34:49.:34:53.

has to get results quickly, I can't see them getting anything today, it

:34:54.:34:57.

would be a big surprise if they win today. He's an outstanding manager.

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Look at what they did last season. I think you can point the finger at

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some of the players, we talked about Dmitri Payet, linked with a move to

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Manchester United. By one of the papers. I am sure there is substance

:35:13.:35:19.

in it but he needs to start delivering to justify headlines and

:35:20.:35:23.

potential moves. Payet was outstanding last season but he

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doesn't look 100% focused. Let's move to Arsenal against Bournemouth.

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I tell you what, we hear from Nathan Aki first of all. He's on loan at

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Bournemouth from Chelsea. We hear him now. Have you had much contact

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with Antonio Conte? What's the relationship like? Not with the

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manager, no. But I keep in contact with people like Eddie Newton, they

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help you, try to see the games and save what they think. They try to

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help you, try to improve, let them make you ready. Arsenal at the

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weekend, Arsen Wenger in one technical area, Eddie Howe in

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another, people suggesting that Eddie Howe might fit the Arsenal

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technical area well in the future? Do you see him as an Arsenal

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manager? Yes, I think he's a good manager, why not? He plays good

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football, expressive, he wants to play attacking, attractive football

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and I think Arsenal does that as well.

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I would argue that snye on an impossible question for a player on

:36:40.:36:43.

loan from Chelsea to Bournemouth to be asked about whether he could be

:36:44.:36:46.

the next Arsenal manager? How do you answer that? Yes, he should go to

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Arsenal. No, he's not a good manager. Where do you go with that?

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I know you are a massive Eddie Howe fan and youth trumped him for

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England and everything. This is a test of his credentials? Yes but he

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seems to keep us in these tests. The players like him, his tactics are

:37:09.:37:13.

good, good with the media, for many people that's important. He's been

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linked with the Arsenal job, quite substantial step. What has been

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interesting, how he has worked with Jack Wilshere. I think if Jack had

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played, he would have given 100%. Do you think you should be allowed to

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play? Absolutely. Absolutely. I was watching the Bournemouth players

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arrive. Forgive me. Should players who are on loan be allowed to play

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the parent club? Yes. No. Back to your point. I can't remember what it

:37:47.:37:55.

was. Jack has been good at Bournemouth, great work by the

:37:56.:37:57.

scientists and sports and his determination to play these

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back-to-back games. But I think it's important, significant for Eddie

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Howe because it shows he can work with her named players because

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that's the issue. Going to Arsenal might be more of a test ban going to

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England, you feel it should be an Englishman managing England, as we

:38:17.:38:19.

found out with Gareth Southgate who should be appointed in the next 72

:38:20.:38:23.

hours. I can see Eddie Howe longer term. But he's a pretty special

:38:24.:38:32.

young man. Career-wise? We talked earlier, that's bigger than the

:38:33.:38:36.

England job, Eddie Howe going to Arsenal. We've not got many

:38:37.:38:41.

candidates. Gareth Southgate is one step ahead of Eddie Howe. But in the

:38:42.:38:45.

future, I am sure Eddie Howe will be someone that England and the FA

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would look to. Going back to Jack was sure, people seem to have

:38:50.:38:53.

forgotten, when he plays for Arsenal he has to play every three days and

:38:54.:38:57.

he's not in contention to be selected, when he said Bournemouth,

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it's every seven days. It's easier for Eddie Howe to get him onto the

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pitch than Arsen Wenger. IC a route back for Jack was sure at the end of

:39:10.:39:14.

the season. Wenger wants him. Would you advise him to sign a new

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contract? There would need to be reassuring says he will feature. And

:39:20.:39:24.

if he didn't get those? Would you say stay you are? He'll be given

:39:25.:39:28.

those and I feel that Arsen Wenger will do that, honestly, but he's

:39:29.:39:35.

allowed Jacqueline this what Arsenal fans after the draw with PSG during

:39:36.:39:41.

the week were saying, Wenger, then Santi Cazorla isn't there, Wenger

:39:42.:39:47.

doesn't seem to know what his best midfield two is and that's a

:39:48.:39:54.

problem. That isn't going to be good, that uncertainty. For Jack,

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it's about proving fitness, part of that, go on loan to Bournemouth.

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When he comes back to Arsenal, he has to play every three days, can

:40:03.:40:07.

he? That will be the challenge. Step one would be proved and what's

:40:08.:40:14.

surprising, they paid 35 and for another who isn't playing. Is it a

:40:15.:40:18.

case of waiting for him to be ready but if I was Jack, I'd be thinking I

:40:19.:40:23.

need to get back at some point, it is unfinished business. On Jack

:40:24.:40:28.

Wilshere, the conundrum for Arsenal, if he has a good season with

:40:29.:40:33.

Bournemouth and decides to end his loner, go back to Arsenal, there

:40:34.:40:38.

will be so many clubs interested in Jack Wilshere and they'll see an

:40:39.:40:43.

opportunity to try and get him and what do Arsenal do? We are not going

:40:44.:40:48.

to send you back on loan to the club like Bournemouth, no disrespect. I

:40:49.:40:55.

tell you what. Put yourself in his position, if he's got bigger clubs,

:40:56.:40:59.

Champions League clubs coming for him, what's he going to do? It's

:41:00.:41:05.

taken note of Arsenal's cans. It is Jack's while Emma, he has to give up

:41:06.:41:08.

the team of history was to go somewhere else, which is best,

:41:09.:41:12.

bigger, to play run the risk and go back to Arsenal but I feel Wenger

:41:13.:41:15.

would let him go if he wasn't going to play. To a potential rival? If he

:41:16.:41:21.

would secure the value of the player. But ultimately, if he's not

:41:22.:41:26.

playing Jack Wilshere, he'll allow him to leave, just as he allowed him

:41:27.:41:31.

to go on long. I enjoy this tennis but we spent three minutes talking

:41:32.:41:35.

about one player, to go back to your earlier point, this is why I'd love

:41:36.:41:37.

to see him play against Arsenal today. Why can't we? If they are big

:41:38.:41:48.

enough to let him go on long... Maybe, I don't know, the end of the

:41:49.:41:54.

season, two games to go is that right? I don't thinks so. Let's talk

:41:55.:41:58.

Southampton Everton to finish with, Ronald Koeman going back to St Mary

:41:59.:42:02.

is, said he hopes the fans will respect him. Southampton could go

:42:03.:42:07.

within two points of Everton, sticky situation, one went out of seven.

:42:08.:42:11.

There is still a buzz about the place. You see the work they are

:42:12.:42:15.

doing, the kids they have coming through. This is and this was and

:42:16.:42:24.

has been going for a while, they are thinking long term. I am sure it

:42:25.:42:30.

will be some doing there but he is a good manager. The great thing about

:42:31.:42:37.

him, he won't agree. He's one of the toughest, self-confident individuals

:42:38.:42:41.

I have ever met stop up there with Jose Mourinho and he's done it as a

:42:42.:42:45.

player. His personal ambition took away from Southampton, he was doing

:42:46.:42:50.

a great job and he sees himself alongside the likes of Guardiola and

:42:51.:42:54.

he thinks he can do that with Everton. That is a sleeping giant,

:42:55.:42:59.

having played there, money being ploughed on, the next transfer

:43:00.:43:02.

window will be interesting. Not much between the teams. Henry made the

:43:03.:43:08.

key point, he won't care but on the other side, from the fans point of

:43:09.:43:12.

view, they will view it as, hang on, a bit of a snob. And when he starts

:43:13.:43:19.

to take some Southampton players in January they will dislike him even

:43:20.:43:24.

more. Thank you for all of your comments, plenty on Jack was sure.

:43:25.:43:30.

Looks as five waste him as a player, he won't achieve potential because

:43:31.:43:35.

of injuries. Janus says lay-off Jack, he had the courage to leave

:43:36.:43:39.

and get more playing time and get himself fit and sharp after injury.

:43:40.:43:45.

Thank you to die, Henry and Martin, four games today, five live sports

:43:46.:43:48.

extra as coverage of the second half had been Watford and Stoke, still

:43:49.:43:55.

bleeding 1-0. We'll see you for Match of the Day to an BBC One

:43:56.:44:01.

later. Good wife. -- goodbye.

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