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Decision day in Westminster as MPs are asked to make up their minds

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The debate is underway in the House of Commons with the result of the

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My strong view is that this House should make clear that we will take

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up our responsibilities rather than pass them off

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and put our own national security in the hands of others.

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Public opinion is moving increasingly against what I believe

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to be an ill thought out rush to war and he wants to hold this vote

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before the opinion grows further against it.

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Six typhoons and two tornados are ready to be deployed if Mps vote

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in favour of bombing the Islamic State group in Syria.

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We'll bring you the latest from Westminster

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as the debate unfolds and we'll be talking to our correspondent

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Also on the programme this lunchtime:

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The Facebook founder Mark Mark Zuckerberg greets

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the birth of his baby with a ?30 billion gift to the world.

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Four men in their 30s have been arrested in Luton on suspicion

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Wartime speeches and letters to Stalin penned by Sir

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Winston Churchill are given to the UN's Memory of the World Register.

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The mayor says Londoner's won't be any more at threat from terrorism as

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And a report into hospital closures in north west

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London says the proposals are flawed and could make things worse.

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Good afternoon and welcome to the BBC News at One.

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MPs are debating now whether to authorise RAF air strikes

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against the Islamic State group in Syria with a vote expected

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David Cameron has been trying to persuade MPs that it's in the UK's

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national interest to extend its current bombing campaign

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All the arithmetic suggests the Government will win the vote, but

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there are still concerns from MPs across all parties about the scope

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of air strikes and their likely impact on the future of Syria.

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We'll have the latest from Damascus in a moment and from RAF Akrotiri

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on Cyprus where those British fighter jets are based.

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But first let's cross to Ben Brown who's in Westminster.

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Yes, that debate has now been underway for an hour and a half.

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It was opened by the Prime Minister, who's been arguing that

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the fight needs to be taken to IS in Syria because that's where attacks

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He says attacks will reduce the threat to the UK.

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Needless to say, that's a point of view rejected by other MPs,

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Our first report this lunchtime is from our political correspondent,

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It is the biggest decision a Prime Minister makes. This morning David

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Cameron left for the Commons to make his case, confident he has the

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support in Parliament for UK military action.

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The RAF is already dropping bombs on IS targets in Iraq and the

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Government says that must be extended across the border joining

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countries including the United States and France already attacking

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IS in Syria. At a private meeting of Conservative MPs last night, the

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Prime Minister branded opponents of action terrorist similar thighsers,

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words that infuriated Labour and some of his own MPs. Well, I think

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it is a ridiculous way of putting it and it is offensive. One of the

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people who will be in the lobby clearly was spent much of his career

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fighting terrorism in Northern Ireland. Others of us have been on

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terrorist death lists, I don't want to take lex ture. The Labour leader,

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Jeremy Corbyn is opposed to military, but his party is at war

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over the issue. The divisions are deep and as MPs poured into

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Parliament this morning, a big question was how many Labour MPs

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would back military action? The Prime Minister. Opening the debate

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in a packed Commons Chamber, David Cameron said there was no simple

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answer, but the choice was clear. This threat is very real and the

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question is this - do we work with our allies to degrade and destrou

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this threat and do we go after these terrorists in their heartlands from

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where they are plotting to kill British people? Or do we sit back

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and wait for them to attack us? Mr Cameron was challenged to apologise

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for his remarks last night. The Prime Minister is facing an

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amendment which was signed by 110 members of this House from six

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different political parties. I have examined the list carefully. I

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cannot identify a single terrorist sympathiser among the list. Will he

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now apologise for his deeply insulting remarks?

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I have made very clear, this is about how we fight terrorism and

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there is honour in any vote that honourable members make. Several

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opposition members stood up to demand an apology too. The Prime

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Minister was then asked about the risk of civilian casualties. I'm not

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standing here and saying there are no casualties in war, of course,

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there are. This is a very, very difficult situation we are putting

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ourselves into. It is hugely complex. It is a difficult argument

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in many ways to get across, but its heart is a simple point will we in

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the long-term be safer and better off if we can get rid of this

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so-called caliphate which is radicalising Muslims, turning people

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against us and plotting atrocities on the streets of Britain? The

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Government doesn't pretend bombing alone will feet IS, the strategy

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relies on around 70,000 Syrian opposition forces fighting the group

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on the ground. But a civil war has been raging in the country since

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2011 and MPs on both sides of the Commons question how plausible that

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part of the strategy is. What concerns many of us is a lack of a

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comprehensive strategy both military and non-military including an exit

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strategy. The Prime Minister insisted there was a strategy.

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Alongside the 70,000 there are, some 20,000 Kurdish fighters with whom we

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can also work. Now, I'm not arguing, this is a crucial point, I'm not

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arguing that all the 70,000 are somehow ideal partners. Some left

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the Syrian army because of Assad's brutality and they clearly can play

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a role in the future of Syria. The Government is confident of winning

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tonight's vote because it has support from the Lib Dems and the

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DUP and dozens of Labour, but not its antiwar leader who said this is

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one of the most serious decisions politicians make. The Prime

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Minister's attempt to brand those who plan to vote against the

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Government as terrorist sympathisers, both demeans the

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office of the Prime Minister and I believe undermines the seriousness

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of the deliberations we're having today. If the Prime Minister now

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wants to apologise for those remarks, I would be happy to give

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way to him to do so. The Prime Minister refused the

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invitation and Jeremy Corbyn then got to the heart of his argument.

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Whether it is a lack of strategy worth the name, the absence of

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credible ground troops, the missing diplomatic for a settlement, or the

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refugee crisis and civilian casualties, it is becoming

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increasingly clear that the Prime Minister's proposals for military

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action simply do not stack up. The third largest party in the Commons,

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the SNP, will vote against military action. But if the Government wins

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tonight's vote, these planes at this RAF base maybe heading to the

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region. Let's go live to Norman Smith who is

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following it all for us. Norman, your thoughts on the debate so far.

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It has been pretty bad tempered at times? Ben, I'm sure Mr Cameron

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still expects to win tonight's vote, but there is no doubt he made his

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task harder by his refusal to say a single word, sorry. His repeated

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refusal to offer an explicit apology for dubbing opponents of military

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action terrorist sympathisers incensed many. Some Labour figures

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say they are not going to back Mr Cameron even though there is an

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element of political posturing here. I don't think anyone seriously

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believes Mr Cameron believes his critics are terrorist sympathisers.

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These were remarks at a private meeting. He was playing to the

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gallery. He was trying to allude to Jeremy Corbyn's previous ties with

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Sinn Fein and Hamas. Nevertheless, his refusal to accept some motherly

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advice from one Labour female MP, who urged him to think again, I

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think has cost him a lot of goodwill in this debate. On top of which he

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came under renewed pressure on his Achilles heel in the whole argument,

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namely the issue of ground troops, who are the forces that are going to

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take on IS on the ground? Mr Cameron stuck by his assertion there are

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70,000 moderate Syrian opposition forces. Ben, may Cameron maybe on

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course to win, but there remain difficult questions and doubts and

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real unhappiness at his handling and his tone during the debate. Norman,

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thank you very much indeed. Another nine hours or so of debate lie ahead

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and the critical vote at 9pm. A momentous and historic day at

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Westminster. Sophie. Ben, thank you.

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The Syrian president Bashar al-Assad has credited Russia's entry

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into the war in his country with changing the balance on

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the ground saying a year of Western air strikes had failed to stop the

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Mr Assad said that since the Russians' intervention, the jihadist

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Our chief international correspondent, Lyse Doucet,

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President Assad has little good to say about the West's campaign,

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and that is pretty much inkeeping with what his line has been

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He criticises the West repeatedly, and so do all the senior officials

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here, for backing the groups that he calls "terrorist."

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They tend to dismiss with the same brush all

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of the opposition groups fighting against Syrian government forces.

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When it comes to the intensified campaign

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against the so-called Islamic State, he made it clear that he felt they

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Recruits from around the world have increased.

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While since the participation of Russia in the same fight,

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so called against terrorism, Isis has been shrinking,

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Russia is not just targeting positions of IS it has been

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targeting the areas held by Syrian opposition forces to try to bolster

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the position of the Syrian army on some key front lines and Russia's

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approach here seems to be two-fold. One is to fight Islamic State as are

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many other countries, but largely from the west, but also to bolster

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President Assad and at the same time it has been made clear do him, we

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understand, that he has to make a greater effort to find a political

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solution and negotiate a way out of this war, but the president's

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comment yesterday underlines again the contempt with which senior

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Government officials hold the opposition, they always say they are

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ready to go to any talks and there is discussion again, about possible

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talks between the Government and the opposition early next year, but they

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basically feel that the opposition as it exists does not represent any

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significant percentage of the Syrian people and therefore, they have made

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it clear they don't take them seriously, but the pressure will be

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on President Assad to show he is committed to some kind of a new

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political arrangement. Lyse Doucet reporting from

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Well, any RAF air strikes will involve planes taking off from

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Our correspondent, Richard Galpin, is there.

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Damascusment If there is a vote in favour of

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carrings out airstrikes over Syria, the RAF planes at this base or

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British drones based in Kuwait could be in action over the skies of Syria

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quickly. Indeed, there are indications it could come within

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hours of the vote being held. RAF Tornados heading off from

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their base here in Cyprus today on Over the past year

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the RAF has carried out almost 400 air strikes, hitting the militant

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group Isis so far only in Iraq. But if Parliament gives

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its assent today the RAF is ready to More planes, including six Typhoons,

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are on stand-by to fly out from Britain to Cyprus,

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along with another two Tornadoes. Which would double

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the strikeforce in Akrotiri. Officials insist it would amount to

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a significant contribution to Not least because the RAF has this

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particularly sophisticated missile, the Brimstone,

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which can hit moving targets. According to the government, all

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this is vital to keep Britain safe. They're going after us

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and the only way we can protect ourselves is fighting back,

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hitting back at them, degrading them, reducing their capacity to

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plan and plot attacks against us. But many are questioning whether

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launching air strikes from this RAF base here in Cyprus really is the

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right strategy for defeating Isis, particularly as the United States

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and several coalition partners have been bombing Isis targets in Iraq

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and Syria for more than a year. And yet the militant group remains

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a potent force. Intervention from the air is one

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thing, helping with intelligence is another, but the issue will be

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decided, as all these issues are, Of course this brings

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into question the whole issue of boots on the ground and that

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brings the question into focus as to But so far at least, the government

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is only prepared to commit British warplanes in a combat role

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against Isis in Iraq and Syria. Military experts are saying ground

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forces are needed to defeat Isis. It is dubious as to whether there is

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any local force in Syria which is united enough or cohesive enough to

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carry out that task. Well David Cameron argues that

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action needs to be taken against the Islamic State group to counter the

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threat of attacks here in the UK. So will RAF air strikes diminish

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the threat? Let's speak to our security

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correspondent, Frank Gardner. Let's look at where if the boat is

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yes, where the strikes would be? There are is a map we can look at.

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In yellow is Isis that so-called Islamic State. And Raqqa up there in

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the North, so if the boat is yes then the RAF will join existing US

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air strikes and French ones and probably Russian ones in hitting

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targets like Raqqa. For the moment we're not allowed across the Iraqi

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border. They are allowed to do surveillance flights in Syria but

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not air strikes. But the government argues is that is where the command

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and control centres, the sort of people who planned the Paris

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attacks, are hanging out. Those against Wood said they are embedded

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with the civilian population and you would be very lucky to catch a

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terrorist in a car. Which occasionally happens. With no

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civilians around. And the Brimstone missile can go through the roof of a

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car. But most times there will be civilians around so it will

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potentially increase the risk of innocent people being hurt. And a

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lot of talk in the debate in the comments already about exit

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strategies, the need for fighters on the ground, these 70,000 fighters

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David Cameron spoke of, who are they? I really pressed people on

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this, drilled into it. These are not jihadists, not even some of the

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people who would be considered extreme who were invited to Saudi

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Arabia for a conference. There are up to 110 different factions but the

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big blocks the northern and southern blocks, the biggest complement is

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the free Syrian army. But they spent the last four years fighting the

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Syrian regime. So to turn their guns against Isis and to get them to

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think that is the main problem will be very difficult. They're not a

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cohesive fighting force, there is no one general in charge of them. And

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frankly after four years of civil war in Syria I'm not sure there is

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such a thing as moderate. Everyone is very polarised and getting them

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to accept the pluralistic government will be very difficult.

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We'll have more on our main story at the end of the programme.

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And you can keep up with the debate throughout the day

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on the BBC News Channel, and there's full, uninterrupted,

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And, of course, there's in depth analysis on the BBC News website.

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MPs are debating now on whether to authorise air strikes

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The Prime minister says it's in the national interest.

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My strong view is that this House should make clear that we will take

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up our responsibilities rather than pass them off,

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and put our own national security in the hands of others.

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Public opinion is moving increasingly

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against what I believe to be an ill-thought out rush to war and

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he wants to hold this vote before the opinion grows even

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Another young person stabbed on the capital's streets.

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This year's seen the highest number of teenage deaths since 2008.

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And voting for a clean up - how one street in London is experimenting

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The founder of Facebook, Mark Zuckerberg, and his wife,

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have announced the birth of their first child and vowed to give away

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most of their multi-billion pound fortune to to make the world a

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As our technology correspondent, Rory Cellan-Jones reports,

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the news was broken - fittingly - in a post on his Facebook page.

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Like many a young couple Mark and Priscilla took to Facebook to

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celebrate the birth of their daughter. But they had other news.

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In a video recorded just weeks before the arrival of Max, the

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couple gave a hint of their plan. Having this child has made us think

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about all the things that should be improved in the world. And the

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Facebook founder and his wife now made it clear that will involve

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giving away most of their huge fortune. In a letter to their

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daughter they said they will donate 99% of their Facebook shares over

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the course of their lives to promote good causes, from better health and

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education to greater equality. To have that kind of wealth and you can

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give away 46 billion, you should be giving away a lot of your money. But

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I think it is good to set a standard and model for other people to give.

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Mark Zuckerberg and Priscilla Chan join other billionaires in giving

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away much of their wealth. Bill and Melinda Gates have donated over ?21

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billion so far. Warren Buffett has given 15 billion and investor George

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Soros has donated ?7 billion so far to charity. Mark Zuckerberg started

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Facebook when he was aged 24 years later had already turned down a

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lucrative offers to buy it. That was a mistake, I suggested in 2008. 24,

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when you could basically have retired, that never entered your

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mind, you thought I will carry on? What would I do! That is just not

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what I care about. What the Facebook founder does care about is his

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single-minded mission to change the way the world communicates. That has

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turned out to be good for his business and for the causes that he

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and his wife support. The trial three men accused of the

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Hatton Garden burglary has heard how the break-in over Easter was only

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discovered by a security guard two days after it has happened. We can

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cross to Daniel Sanford at Woolwich Crown Court. Alice more about what

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was said in court. We heard from Kevin Stockwell, a security guard

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who worked at the Hatton Garden safe deposit for 20 years. He described

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how he locked up as usual on the evening of Maundy Thursday before

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the bank holiday weekend and had gone home as normal. He was woken

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soon after midnight with the message that the alarm had gone off at the

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building. He went to the building and check the front door to the

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building and the fire exit at the rear. But unaware that the burglars

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were inside, he then told one of the owners of the business that he

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thought the place was secure and the owner said to him you might as well

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go home. On the Tuesday after the bank holiday weekend he came to work

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at just after eight o'clock in the morning to find one of his

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colleagues saying he thought they had been burgled. When he looked

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through the door he could see on the floor drills, cutting material, the

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lights were on in the second door, bars were lifted up and indeed they

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had been burgled and he went to call the police.

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Four men have been arrested in Luton on suspicion of committing offences

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Seven properties in the town, and a number of vehicles,

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Detectives say it's part of an ongoing investigation, and not

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Our Home Affairs Correspondent, June Kelly, is with me.

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What more do we know? These were early morning raids, someone

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claiming to be involved twisted, I have been raided by anti-terror

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police at 5:40am this morning a completely innocent of any crime.

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The four men arrested are in their 30s, we have seven address being

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search. A mixture of homes and businesses. We understand that while

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these arrests are described as significant, they're not linked to

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any lot to attack the UK, not links to the Paris attacks as you say and

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not linked to travel to Syria. This has been we understand a

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long-running covert police operation involving officers from Scotland

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Yard counterterrorism unit and counterterrorism officers covering

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Blue Jumeriah. No firearms officers were deployed in the arrest this

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morning so that gives an indication of how police view of the suspects.

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And the four men are now in custody at a London police station.

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The manuscripts of some of Winston Churchill's most famous

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wartime speeches have been given United Nations protection.

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The archive also includes more personal letters,

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including one written to his mother when he was just seven

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Churchill's dispatch box when he was serving as Secretary of State

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Just one of the treasures held in the strongroom at Churchill

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College, the home of an archive that runs to some 1 million documents.

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Churchill's post 1945 papers were passed to the college by his widow

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The earlier papers joined them here in the early '70s.

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And this is the broadcast that he made in the

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Something that he'd waited two years for.

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And you can see at the top here he has written,

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I have never promised anything but blood, tears, toil and sweat.

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And if we turn over you can see here we've got the famous passage,

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It is not even the beginning of the end.

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But it is perhaps the end of the beginning.

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By contrast, a doctor's prescription, written in

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prohibition era New York in 1932 while he was recovering from a

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He's actually prescribing him alcohol.

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It says here, the post accident convalescence of

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the Honourable Winston S Churchill necessitates the use of alcoholic

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The quantity is naturally indefinite,

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but the minimum requirements would be 250 cubic centimetres.

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This is one of the earliest things in the archive.

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This is actually a letter to his mother, written from Harrow.

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And he has done this wonderful drawing of himself in his school

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My dearest Mama, you can't think what a ripping piece

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So of course here he is as a young man going to the theatre,

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perhaps learning some of his later technique.

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The collection, including letters to US presidents

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and other world leaders, now joins UNESCO's International

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This collection, the Churchill papers, they have been purchased for

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the nation and this confirms that they're not just a national resource

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but they are an international resource and have universal value.

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The Archive Centre says this recognition will spirit on to

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share its material with everyone who wants to come here and see it.

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More now on our main story - the House of Commons is debating

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whether to authorize air strikes against IS targets in Syria.

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A vote is expected at around ten o'clock tonight.

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Let's cross to Westminster and our Assistant Political Editor,

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You have been listening to the debate. Your assessment? It is

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striking that again and again MPs come back to the issue of ground

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troops. Who is going to take on Islamic State on the ground, who are

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these 70,000 troops that David Cameron talks about, will they work

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together, can they be relied upon, I be interested in fighting Isis or

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with a carry on fighting President Assad. The response from David

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Cameron was to save not all ideal partners but many of them are

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reliable, they are former members of the Syrian army. He also suggested

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there are some 20,000 Kurdish Peshmerga forces and he suggested in

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time there could be reconstructed Syrian army, in other words

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President Assad's former forces who could also join in a ground

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offensive against Islamic State. But one Conservative MP Alan Duncan, a

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committed supporter of air strikes, a member of the intelligence

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committee, he said the idea that there were 70,000 ground troops was

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an act of faith and we want we risk flying into a mess. The issue of

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ground troops is absolutely pivotal. And there is no escaping the fact

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that although MPs may vote for action, many are very dubious that

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they will be ground troops to take on Islamic State. And of course you

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can follow the debate throughout the day on the BBC News channel.

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A record-breaking dull November for many so nice to see the sunshine out

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today. This was the scene this morning. But

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it is not sunny everywhere, we still have a thick band of cloud.

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Yesterday that moved north across the UK but overnight and this

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morning the band of cloud has pushed back south into the UK. That marks

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the boundary between some warm and mild weather in the south and cold

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air tucking into the north west behind the band of cloud which are

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still producing some rain. That rain clearing away from the East of

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Scotland but the band of rain getting stuck across North Western

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areas and Wales. I decided that some sunshine, in the sunshine in the

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East Midlands and East Anglia, temperatures around 40 degrees but

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getting colder in spite of the sunshine across Scotland and

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Northern Ireland. A pleasant afternoon at getting chilly

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overnight tonight. Southern England, further south, pushing the rain

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north again. Across Wales and clearing away from the Midlands

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later on, moving north back into the North of England, not quite reaching

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Scotland and Northern Ireland overnight. By the morning

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rush-hour, beginning to cloud over across Scotland and Northern Ireland

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so chilly start. We start in the North of England with cloud and

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rain, but it was North Wales, mid and South Wales and the Midlands dry

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by the end of the night. Generally try but mild across southern England

:29:50.:29:55.

to start the day. Heading through the day this band of cloud and rain

:29:56.:30:00.

will sneak further north towards southern Scotland and maybe Northern

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Ireland and then through the afternoon it turns wetter across

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Wales and the South West. The East Midlands, Lincolnshire, the

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south-east of England dry and mild again at the club pushing back into

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Scotland and Northern Ireland, cold here but mild further south at

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around 15 degrees. The rain gets its act together tomorrow evening,

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sweeping east across England and Wales, maybe parts of Scotland as

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well. Dusty wintertime, one by Freddie morning. Looks like a good

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day for many especially towards the south-east where we get the

:30:31.:30:34.

sunshine. The wind picking up in the north-west during the day and we

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have cloud increasing the temperature still above average for

:30:38.:30:41.

the time of year. That sets us up for a disappointing weekend,

:30:42.:30:43.

especially wet and windy on Saturday. A little better across

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northern parts of the UK at least on Sunday. Still not so good in the

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South. Now a reminder

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of our top story this lunchtime. MPs debate whether to authorise

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British air strikes against The Prime Minister says it is in the

:30:55.:30:56.

national interest. My strong view is that this house

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should make clear that we will take up our responsibilities rather than

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pass them off, and put our own national security

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in the hands of others. Public opinion is moving

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increasingly against what I believe to be an ill thought out Rush to

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war. He wants to hold this vote before opinion grows even further

:31:31.:31:31.

against him. That's all from us,

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now on BBC One it's time

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