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A decisive vote by Scotland - it's no to independence.

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Jubilation and relief among those who campaigned to

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We're staying part of the United Kingdom which is what

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Despair and disbelief among those who'd fought

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I wanted our own government, to look after our own race,

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rather than having Mr Cameron, who doesnae care about scotland,

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Alex Salmond calls on Scotland to accept the result but says he'll

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resign as First Minister and leader of the Scottish National Party.

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For me, as leader, my time is nearly over, but for Scotland the campaign

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continues and the dream will never die.

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The referendum result means changes are on the way for how the rest

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So now it is time for our United Kingdom to come together

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A vital part of that will be a balanced settlement,

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fair to the people of Scotland, and importantly to England,

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We'll bring you the full analysis of the historic result, what it means

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for Scotland and what constitutional changes are now likely for the rest

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As Scotland votes no, the calls for London to get greater

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And police find a bike belonging to a convicted

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murderer wanted in connection with the disappearance of Alice Gross.

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Good evening and welcome to the BBC News at Six from Edinburgh,

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where this afternoon Scotland's First Minister, Alex Salmond,

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has announced his resignation, just hours after the people of

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It followed two years of campaigning and a final two weeks

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of frenetic political activity, with all the Westminster party leaders

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travelling here to make a last impassioned plea to keep the union.

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In the end, the result was more decisive than

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Just over 1.6 million voted yes, while the no side won with more

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That's 45% voting yes with 55% voting no.

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The turnout was very high at nearly 85%.

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The Prime Minister, David Cameron, has welcomed the result

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and announced not only that substantial powers will pass

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from London to Edinburgh, but that changes must be made, too,

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in the government of the whole of the rest of the United Kingdom.

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Tonight we'll have the reaction from voters and campaigners,

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analysis of the result, and the very latest on moves towards potentially

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far reaching constitutional changes for the entire UK.

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Nick Robinson has our first report tonight, on the day

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Put away the flag is, stop the campaigning, the great national

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debate is over. More people cared, more people believed, more voted for

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independence than ever before, but for now that dream is dead. Scotland

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has voted no in this referendum on independence. The result in Fife has

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taken the no campaign over the line and the official result of this

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referendum is a no. The final result, 45% yes, 55% no, was clearer

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than most had predicted. This morning, Alex Salmond put a brave

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face on defeat, accepting what he called the democratic verdict. But

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this afternoon he called the media to the First Minister's office in

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Edinburgh and announced that he would test -- soon quit the job. For

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me, my time as leader is nearly over. But for Scotland the campaign

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continues, and the dream shall never die. The real guardians of progress

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are no longer politicians at Westminster, or even at Holyrood.

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But the energised activism of tens of thousands of people who I predict

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will refuse to meekly go back into the political shadows. We have now

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the opportunity to hold a Westminster's feet to the fire on

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the bow that they have made to devolve further meaningful power to

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Scotland. This places Scotland in a bridge strong position. The story of

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the night was clear almost from the very first result at 1:30 a.m.. No,

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19,000. 19,036. The no campaign, subdued for so long, celebrated as

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result after result in 28 out of 32 areas had them winning. In Glasgow,

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Nicola Sturgeon, Alex Salmond's deputy, and surely his successor

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now, knew it was all over. Yes, 194,000. No, 169,347. The news from

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Scotland's biggest city, a consolation prize. Not so long ago,

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few would have believed they would do this well or come this close, but

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for Alex Salmond, as he left home in the early hours, it simply was not

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close enough. For them, those who had fought for Scotland to remain in

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the UK, the relief was palpable. The people of Scotland have spoken. We

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have chosen unity over division and positive change rather than needless

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separation. APPLAUSE Today is a momentous result

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for Scotland and also for the United Kingdom as a whole. By confirming

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our place within the union, we have reaffirmed all that we have in

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common. Those watching outside Scotland had simply had to hold

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their breath. The Prime Minister watched for much of the night, aware

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that a yes vote would destroy not just his country but his reputation.

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The people of Scotland have spoken, and it is a clear result. They have

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kept our country of four nations together. And like millions of other

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people, I am delighted. The debate was settled for a generation, he

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said. There could be no disputes, no reruns. Scotland would get more

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power but change would go much further than that. Just as the

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people of Scotland will have more power over their affairs, so it

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follows that the people of England, Wales and Northern Ireland must have

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a bigger say over theirs. The rights of these voters need to be

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respected, preserved and enhanced. The Tory leader revived an old,

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undelivered manifesto promise, to ensure that English laws are made

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only by English votes. I have long believed that a crucial part missing

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from this national discussion is England. We have heard the voice of

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Scotland, and now the millions of voices of England must also be

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heard. Somewhere ask, why on earth are politicians talking about

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constitutional change on the very day when the Scottish people have

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rejected independence? The answer is clear and it is here in Glasgow. The

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people of this great city voted by a majority to leave the UK. The anger

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they feel that the way Westminster currently runs things is felt up and

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down what remains our United Kingdom. Thank you very much indeed.

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But this great national debate will now happen without him leading

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Scotland. More than 3.5 million

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Scots voted yesterday. The turnout was the highest

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for any UK election since 1951. The vote

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against independence was larger in the more rural parts of Scotland and

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among older voters, with resounding noes from Edinburgh, Dumfries and

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Galloway, and the Orkney Islands. For cities that voted yes, such as

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Glasgow and Dundee, the dream that Allan Little has been analysing what

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tipped the balance for the voters against independence,

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in favour of a United Kingdom. The burden of proof from the

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beginning lay mostly with the yes campaign. To too many voters, their

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blueprint for independence seemed incomplete, unready. Particularly on

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what currency and independent Scotland would use. Edinburgh, home

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to Scotland's financial services industry, voted 61-39 to stay in the

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UK. This is quite a well-off country and a lot of people felt we had a

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lot to lose. I do not think it is surprise where parts where people

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did not have so much to lose would vote yes. Even here, more than one

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in three voted yes. I am devastated. I have been up all might. But also

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inspired because we know that half the people get it. That is nice. It

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is weird knowing that half the people are ready for change and half

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are scared to do it. Overall, it has been very beneficial to Scotland,

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despite the fact that we did not win. Although I was a no vote, when

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I heard the results I started crying, because relieved, but also

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kind of worried about what happens now. In less prosperous places, more

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voters favoured yes. Scotland's biggest city, Glasgow, voted for

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independence, as did Dundee. Here, Labour voters who crossed in large

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numbers were decisive. Will they return to the Labour fold after this

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experience? I am devastated. The sole reason was that I wanted more

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than anything a yes vote. A change. Labour's policies close to Tory

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policies for me. After what happened with Tony Blair, I don't think the

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working-class trust Labour any more. They have gone over to the SNP. In

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this, the intervention in the last stages of the campaign by a

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seemingly rejuvenated Gordon Brown may have helped to stem the flow of

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Labour voters to the yes camp. The margin of victory for the union was

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clear and decisive and beyond dispute. Does that mean the job is

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done, the union saved? 45% of the population of the country on a high

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turnout voted to end United Kingdom statehood in Scotland. That would

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have been unthinkable even 15 years ago when the Scottish Parliament was

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first set up. Remember that 1.6 million people of our fellow

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citizens voted to leave the United Kingdom. A majority in Glasgow, a

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large majority in Dundee. The really important thing to do at the moment

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is to try and understand and then respond adequately and effectively

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to the reasons why people voted yes. The Anglo Scottish union has

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survived the greatest challenge to its existence in 300 years. Scotland

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has settled the question peacefully and democratically, but the popular

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challenge to the UK's legitimacy in Scotland has not gone away.

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Brian Taylor is at Ute house, the official residence of the First

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Minister of Scotland. Alex Salmond has announced he is going to be

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standing down. We heard strong emotions among his supporters. Where

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does his decision leaves them and their desire for change? The

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argument that Alex Salmond will advance is that the campaign for

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independence, the cause he has espoused for his political life, is

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bigger than one individual. I think there are two motivations behind his

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decision. First, the personal one. He has been leader for 20 years.

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Rather a decent shift at the coal face, as he said himself. Secondly,

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however satisfactory 45% is, it is not a victory, and Mr Salmond is

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associated by definition with defeat on this particular referendum for

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the independence cause. He believes there is still an opportunity for

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the SNP and the independence movement, but he believes it would

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be best done by someone else. I would characterise him as having

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transformed the SNP, from a party which, after the 1979 devolution

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referendum, almost fell apart, to a situation where now they are

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sufficiently strong and mature and above all sufficiently a party of

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government, that I believe they will survive this and perhaps be able to

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use, as Alex Salmond has put it, the opportunity of driving forward to

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independence. Of course, there will be introspection, but I believe they

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will advance with a new leader and I believe that will be Nicola

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Sturgeon, his deputy. Thank you.

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Within the last few minutes, a statement from the Queen has been

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published. Nicholas Witchell has the details at Balmoral for us. What

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does it say? I am sorry, we seem to have a few difficulties getting hold

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of Nicholas Witchell in Balmoral. Apologies. So, the vote here in

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Scotland could have a profound impact on government across the UK,

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with new powers for England, Wales and Northern Ireland, as well as

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here in Scotland. With no cross-party agreement on

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constitutional change, an ambitious timetable and a general election

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coming, how realistic is a major shake-up? James Landale is at

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Westminster. James, many changes ahead and many potential obstacles.

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That's right, normally Reform Act Westminster takes years, David

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Cameron is trying to do it in months and there is precious little sign of

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cross-party agreement. What we are talking about is not just changing

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the constitution, it is about power and who holds it.

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It was a solemn vow by the leaders of the UK's largest parties, a vow

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to devolve more power to Scotland and protect its public funding.

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But is it a vow that Westminster can keep?

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Today, the Prime Minister promised to honour the commitment in full,

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and he went further, promising radical constitutional

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Just as Scotland will vote separately

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in the Scottish Parliament on the issues of tax, spending and

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welfare, so too England, as well as Wales and Northern Ireland, should

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And all this must take place in tandem with, and at the same pace

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So, what is the Government's timetable?

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It is hoping to agree it's plan for UK wide evolution by November,

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publish draft laws in January and introduce the changes after it has

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Labour say they will move quickly on devolution to Scotland.

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But they want a national debate on English devolution

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before holding a constitutional convention in the autumn of next

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One lesson we know is that we can't do this as a knee jerk, quick fix

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way. We've got to do it in the right way. The most important thing is

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that it can't just be stitched up in Westminster. I don't think people

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would stand for that. We need to start with people and the change

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they want to see. Labour see the plans as a trap. They fear that

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curbing the powers of Scottish MPs, most of whom are Labour, would make

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it harder for Ed Miliband, as Prime Minister, to get his legislation and

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budget through the Commons. None of this constitutional change is going

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to come easy. David Cameron does not have the full support of Labour and

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he also has trouble in his own ranks, many of whom think that

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Scotland is being offered too much, too fast. Extensive promises have

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been made to the Scottish people which will assume that Scottish

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politicians can continue to adjudicate on taxes raised on

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English taxpayers and also assume that English taxpayers will continue

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to shore up the whole settlement, with extensive transfers of funds.

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UKIP leader wrote to all Scottish MPs asking them to stop voting on

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English issues now. The English need to be able to vote and debate on

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their issues in the House of Commons. If Scottish MPs agree to do

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that, that will be a significant set forward. Across Scotland, there are

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reminders that this parliament represents all four corners of the

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UK, including Northern Ireland and Wales. Scotland has been offered

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first-class devolution, there is a risk that Wales will get second or

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third class, and we need to make sure our settlement is as good, if

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not better, than what they get in Scotland. The stakes could not be

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higher. Honouring this vow could transform the constitutional

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settlement. Breaking it could lead to another breach interest in

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politics. Already, agreement looks harder to find. -- in trust.

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So what do voters in other parts of the UK make of the promise

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Previous attempts at extending regional control have

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We asked our UK Affairs Correspondent Reeta Chakrabarti to

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The people of Lincoln had no say in Scotland's decision, but that did

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not mean they did not care. Many were watching nervously. Today, we

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felt immense relief. What does it mean to you, why are you relieved?

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We are the United Kingdom. Yes, we are Better Together, that says it

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all. I think we would be losing something if we split Scotland away

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from the UK. I think it has been done the right way, and they chose

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for themselves. The main response on this English High Street is one of

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relief that Scotland has voted to stay. People's thoughts are now

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turning to where the union goes here. Something definitely needs to

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change. We have the same system for quite a few years and it perhaps

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needed to evolve. This ancient cathedral city is home to one of the

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few copies of Magna Carta, the 800-year-old document that limited

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the King's powers. With a transfer of power over tax, spending and

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welfare about to take place to Scotland, where does that leave the

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rest of the UK? I think it is right that the Scots do have devolved

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powers. I also think it is right that the English, the Welsh and the

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Northern Irish do as well. I think there has been an unequal balance

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between Scotland having more powers. It gets more money through subsidies

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than English people and I think that is not fair, and we deserve the same

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powers, maybe even an English Parliament. Many understand it is

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not just Scotland likely to change. Let's try to talk again to Nicholas

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Witchel at Balmoral. The Queen has published a statement in the last

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few minutes. What has she had to say? Yes, this is the statement just

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issued, this is what the Queen says. For many in Scotland and

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elsewhere today there will be strong feelings and contrasting emotions

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amongst family, friends and neighbours. That is the nature of

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the robust, democratic... Have no doubt's the emotions will be

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tempered by... I'm so sorry for that, despite our

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best efforts, we are not managing to talk to Nicholas Witchel in

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Balmoral. As we heard earlier, Scotland's

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First Minister is to step down. It comes after 20 years as leader of

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the SNP and seven years as first minister. He said he decided to go

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this morning but will stay on until mid-November. James Cook reports on

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the resignation of one of Scotland's most charismatic

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political figures. Too many people, Alex Salmond is the

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Scottish National Party. He hails from Linlithgow, a traditional

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Labour stronghold in central Scotland. His rise and battle

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Scottish National is are inextricably linked. Alex Salmond

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went to Westminster in 1987, a Democratic insurgent, determined to

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rest Scotland from London's grasp. He was already shaking up what had

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been a rather eccentric party when, three years later, he was elected

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for his first stint as leader. His gradual approach to the pursuit of

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independence nearly paid off, first campaigning for a Scottish

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parliament, celebrating alongside his political rivals when this

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referendum, at least, went his way. I think they have better sit up and

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take notice something is changing in Scotland. It was common he stood

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down and back again. Alex Salmond MP, 75% of the vote. In the end, he

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served two decade-long stints as SNP leader. The last ten years saw

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stunning success. He took his party to Holyrood and then went one

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better. I heard a rumour. I think we won the election! Ayes winning a

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second term, with a majority most said was impossible. It gave him a

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mandate to pursue his life's goal. Two years ago, he shook hands with a

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Conservative Prime Minister on an agreement to put his dream to the

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test. But after pouring his heart and soul into the campaign over the

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last few weeks and months, he had to admit his dream was not shared by

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all. I believed there was great possibilities in the campaign.

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Obviously I would not have made the decision had there been a Yes Vote.

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I think in the circumstances of the vote we have, galvanising,

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wonderful, empowering and massive though it is, I think it is my

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judgement that someone else would be best placed to take that forward.

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Alex Salmond has always divided opinion. But everybody seems to have

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an opinion, and he did come closer than anybody else to winning

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independence for Scotland. Let's talk to Nick Robinson in

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Glasgow. The end of a momentous 24 hours. You followed it all the way

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through. How do you assess the significance for the whole of the

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United Kingdom? I have never experienced a day quite like this

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one. A vote in Scotland to reject massive constitutional change has

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actually triggered a debate throughout the United Kingdom about

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just that. The man without whom it would never have happened, Alex

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Salmond, has stood down so that debate will happen without him. The

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people that lined the streets of this city in Dundee, Perth, they

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wave their flags, chanted and protested, they lost, and yet there

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is just the slightest sense they might get a little bit of what they

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wanted to bring about. What is the reason for this? I think it is this.

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This referendum started out as simply a choice about independence,

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about self-government and national identity. But it quickly became

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clear to everybody that travelled here, everybody that lived here

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that, in reality, it was a vote on the way power is used and who has

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power in this country. It was the shock of their lives for the

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political establishment in Westminster to realise that they

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might well lose. As a result, now, all of the leaders are promising

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more power, yes, year in Scotland, more in Wales, more in Northern

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Ireland, more for the English people as well. It doesn't mean it will

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happen, but it means a previously dull subject for many,

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constitutional change, the thing that political bores go on about,

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suddenly comes to the centre of a series of election campaigns. They

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will argue in Scotland, England, Wales and Northern Ireland about

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which party will really deliver for you. Perhaps it is fitting that Her

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Majesty gets the final word, one that Nicholas Witchel could not

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quite get out. She talked about the insuring love of Scotland, strongly

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held opinions, and yet people could now come together, said Her Majesty,

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in mutual respect. It's pretty misty in Edinburgh.

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Let's see how the rest of the weather is doing.

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We will clear away a week's with of mist and drizzle. We will also get

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rid of the storms that have been affecting parts of England and

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Wales. This is how it has been today, some work up to flooding,

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others had sleep disturbed by thunder. The heat triggered

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thunderstorms to the north and east of London into Suffolk and Norfolk.

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There will be thunderstorms rumbling around parts of England in

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particular. Not for everyone, but where they develop they could cause

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some disruption, with surface water flooding, and Hale. Clearer skies

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into north-west Scotland, turning a bit cooler here than it has been on

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recent nights going into Saturday morning. For England and Wales

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tomorrow, plenty of cloud again. There will be some showers, even

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from the word go in England. A few developing in southern England. It

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could be thundery, not as warm or muggy, but the odd shower moving

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through Scotland and Northern Ireland. The big change will be to

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the north-east of the UK. Eastern Scotland, north-east England, after

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a mere quay week, the weather front will clear the air and we will see

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brighter, fresh air, better visibility, some welcome blue sky.

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It is this sort of air that will spread across the UK as the week

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goes on. It means a chilly start across the northern half of the UK.

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We could see a touch of ground frost in places. 4-part two of the

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weekend, sunny spells. Most places dry, temperatures not as high as

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they have been, but humidity is much lower. The storms have gone. That is

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one part of the story. The other part is clearer air to where we have

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had so much cloud and reduced humidity.

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news: The people of Scotland have decisively rejected independence. In

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a moment we will join the BBC News teams were you are. We will leave

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you with the key images and voices of this historic vote.

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The BBC forecasts now is that Scotland has voted no to

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independence. Now it is time for our United

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Kingdom to come together and move forward.

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As leader, my time is nearly over. But for Scotland, the campaign

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continues. The dream shall never die.

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