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This is a specially extended BBC Newsline

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because of that momentous vote in favour

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of the United Kingdom leaving the European Union.

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The democratic decision of the people of the United Kingdom marks a

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fresh and new beginning for country, and I believe it offers us the

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opportunity to build a new hopeful and more democratic nation. It's a

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big crisis, and we have to face the reality of this crisis. There needs

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to be a resolution of that. Which is going to be very difficult, given

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the decision taken by English voters on foot of a campaign that has been

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put together with a little England mentality.

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Our political and economics editors will have their analysis,

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and we'll be hearing live from the Secretary of State,

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as well as from the DUP and Sinn Fein.

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An unscheduled meeting of the Dail on Monday,

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contingency plans but no border poll -

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I'll be live in Dublin with the latest

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So what does it mean for people from Northern Ireland

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The cost of our holiday money - how the leave vote means a trip

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Can Northern Ireland continue their amazing

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Join me live from the Parc Des Princes in Paris.

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We had thunderstorms and heavy downpours today -

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I'll have your weather details later in the programme.

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The outcome of the referendum was confirmed early this morning,

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and while the United Kingdom voted to leave, it was not a united vote.

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Northern Ireland and Scotland opted to remain.

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The First Minister Arlene Foster welcomed the result, saying people

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The Deputy First Minister Martin McGuinness said the impact

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on Northern Ireland would be profound, and there's now

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a democratic imperative for a border poll.

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Let's take a look at how the vote in Northern Ireland broke down.

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Almost 350,000 people voted to leave the European Union.

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More than 440,000 people opted to remain.

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That gave a split of 44% for leaving the EU

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The UK-wide vote painted a different picture -

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it was 51.9% for Leave and 48.1% for Remain.

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Our political correspondent Gareth Gordon has been

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So this is Belfast in the morning after the night before. On the

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surface, nothing seems to have changed. The City Hall still stands,

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the bosses still run. But we know that big change is coming. What it

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means for us, we are not sure. I knew what I was voting for, but I

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just think, what is going to happen no? It is going to be very

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unsettled. The stability is going to be quite unsettled for a while

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anyway, but no, I think we made the right decision. I'm just really not

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sure what to think. Have to see what happens. I think financially is

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taking a massive gamble, and I'm not sure we believe better off for it. A

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mix of right-wing scare tactics, just about decision. These are Leave

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campaigners at the Belfast can't do not agree. They lost the battle in

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Northern Ireland but won the war in the UK. As soon as the result was

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known, Sinn Fein was calling for another referendum, on a united

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Ireland. People say when we raise the issue of a border poll, that

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creates instability. That it will lead to fractious situation. Why

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would it? I do believe that such a border poll can be conducted in a

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civilised atmosphere. Such as the Scottish referendum was. So what has

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happened overnight is massive. We are calling for a border war because

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we are united Ireland is, but also because we want to continue with the

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improvements that have been made to the life of people -- a border poll.

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Not going to happen, said the First Minister, who backed a Leave. I

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understand the Secretary of State has already indicated the test has

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not been met to call a border poll. I suppose the call for the border

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poll was as applicable as the flowers are made. We knew it would

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come. But the test has not been met, so therefore, I do not believe it

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will happen. But wouldn't the vote cause instability, she was asked?

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People should not panic. This will take place over a long time, and I

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see it as a historic opportunity to build up this nation state again. On

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the other side of the Irish border, the Prime Minister said he was very

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sorry. I have to say that the invitations of this book for

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Northern Ireland -- the implications of this evoked and for relations

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north and south on this island will require careful consideration. This

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will be a particular coordinate for the Government here. -- a particular

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priority. Do we, do he will discuss this momentous decision with

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Northern Ireland Executive colleagues, at which times, things

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may be clearer, possibly. Our political editor Mark Devenport

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was watching the Northern Ireland We followed on the Brexit vote in a

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moment, but first, remind us how you saw the local voting, those who

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wanted to stay and those who wanted to leave. We got decorations from

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each of the constituencies so you could see the breakdown across

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Northern Ireland who were supporting which site. We had a loving

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constituencies supporting Remain and seven supporting Leave. It was very

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much an East- West divide, with the Leave voters in unionist

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constituencies. But it wasn't entirely a unionist nationalistic

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night. There were There were some exceptions -

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North Down and north Belfast, both of which have unionist MPs,

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voted for Remain. So did the westerly constituency

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of East Londonderry. One thing that was noticeable

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was that nationalists appeared to be less enthusiastic about turning out

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to vote than unionists - so, for example, West Belfast had

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the lowest turnout of less than 49%, whilst a number of unionist seats

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were in the mid 60s percentage-wise, much higher than the Assembly

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election last month where it was in the mid-50s.

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That said, this is ultimately fairly academic as the winning margin

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of Leave across the UK was in the end greater

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than all the voters on the electoral register here.

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Looking at the business of the modern Ireland Executive, what our

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priorities for ministers no? -- the Northern Ireland Executive.

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I think on the surface we may continue to see the major parties

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pulling in different directions as they obviously disagree

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About whether a border poll is the way to go whether they should grasp

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this chance to build a new future outside the EU as the DUP would say.

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That will play out when the Assembly meets on Monday. But under the

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surface the Assembly has a job to do to find practical ways it can get

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involved in the negotiating process that will happen around Brexit.

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David Cameron said he wants to see Northern Ireland involved. I would

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not be surprised if we sought some ministers who will be at the sharp

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edge, like the finance, agriculture, Infrastructure Minister getting

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involved perhaps to form some sort of a group who could feed into those

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Brexit negotiations, either with the even with counterparts in London or

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in Dublin. How likely is a border poll? We see that Sinn Fein is

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pressing for it, but as we will see later in the Secretary of State

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Theresa Villiers is already ruling it out. She says that under the Good

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Friday Agreement she only has to convert if she thinks people are

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changing their view on what should be the constitutional status quo.

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Recent polls have shown that you do not have at majority to change it.

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The question is will this be a gamekeeper? In Scotland, we think it

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well, Nicola Sturgeon fixer well. Here it is less certain, so it seems

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unlikely in the short-term. -- Nicola Sturgeon thinks it will.

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What does all of this mean for the pound in our pocket?

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Our business and economics editor John Campbell is with me.

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What's the first thing we will notice?

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There has been huge turmoil on stock markets today. The Footsie plunged

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this morning, but actually made up most of that growing by the end of

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the day. The biggest thing people will notice is what has happened on

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foreign exchange markets in terms of what the pound is worth. It fell

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massively today against the dollar and the euro. The biggest one-day

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fall in the pound in my lifetime. People will notice that when they go

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to get their holiday money. The amount of euros or dollars you will

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get for your buying today is much less than it would have been

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yesterday. That has other effects potentially on our economy. It makes

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imports more expensive, particularly thinking about oil. Oil is always

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traded in dollars. If the pound is weaker against dollars, it will be

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more expensive to import oil, and we are already seen suggestions from

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the fuel industry that we are likely to see petrol prices going up, if

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not this weekend then early next week. We are also hearing today

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about inflation and interest rates rises. How realistic is any of that?

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If we think about what will happen if there is a weak pound, if we are

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importing oil and food, for example, that is more expensive, and could

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push up inflation. Inflation is very low, nowhere near the 2% Bank of

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England targets, but if it should start accelerate rapidly, the Bank

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of England may have to think about putting up interest rates, other the

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that is likely. In fact, many of the expert today and the markets are

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saying what is to happen is you will get what is the demand shock in the

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economy. Businesses. Spending because they worry about the

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uncertainty, and the Bank of England may even have to cut interest rates,

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and the current rate of 0.5% may be down to zero, which with the

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presidency. What about jobs, that's what the people we will be worried

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about? One of the issues is access to the European single market.

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Foreign direct investors may like our workforce, our cost, what we

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plan to do with tax, but if they are uncertain about what sort of market

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access may well have, they may choose to delay investment, not to

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come here, to go to the Republic. Some economists have raised that

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fear, that it could stymie investment into Northern Ireland.

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They have sought to play that down, saying that investors will still be

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interested, but there will be uncertainty. We cannot get away from

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that. There will be a couple of years will not knowing that they

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what are trading relations will be with Europe or the rest of the

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world. First the referendum result,

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the the Prime Minister's announcement of his resignation

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in October. Our political correspondent

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Stephen Walker watched the dramatic With his voice faltering, David

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Cameron signalled that his premiership was in its final days.

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He took the decision to resign despite the fact his colleagues,

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including Leave support to lead the killers, had hoped he may stay. --

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Leeds supporter to Reza Villers. I think he has been a great Prime

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Minister, and I would have very much liked to see him lead the party on

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22020, but sadly it is not to be. As Theresa Villiers enjoyed her day,

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those who had campaigned to remain in the EU founding result painful.

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Disappointing result across the whole of the UK. Obviously Northern

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Ireland voted to remain, but across the whole of the UK we voted to come

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out, so it is very disappointing. We are going to have to consider how we

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know that forward -- how we now move forward, and a calm, reasonable,

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responsible way to try and deal with some of the issues that inevitably

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will arise as a result of the boat that was taken yesterday. You now

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have the answer to one burning question - this result poses many

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more. What will make the lake outside the European Union? Will

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better off? What effect will this result have on Northern Ireland? I

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don't think it can be good news for Northern Ireland in particular. We

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are a very difficult place, the only land you border of the United

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Kingdom and some distance from London, with Scotland and uncertain

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Britain's event in the future of the United Kingdom and the EU. -- and

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uncertain advertisement in the future. But the Secretary of State

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insist that the result was the right one. I am really delighted that the

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people of the UK have voted for that outcome. There are countries all

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around the world who control their own destiny and manage their own

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affairs and do not subject themselves to the kind of trappings

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that come with the EU. When people remember this day, they will not

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just recall the result but the drama and speed of events that turned the

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24th of June into one of the most dramatic days in British political

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history. Theresa Villiers joins me know from

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Westminster. It does not feel like a very United Kingdom tonight. I think

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what is important now is to reflect on what motivated people to vote

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Leave, but also those who are motivated to vote Remain. I think it

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is very important in her excellent negotiations to do everything we can

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to demonstrate that we are committed to the UK as a trading, aggregate

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the nation, doing lots of business with the EU for free trade

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agreement. -- in our exit negotiations. We are not pulling up

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the drawbridge or anything like that. We will have a successful

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relationship with the EU. We will just no longer be subject to the

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political controls that stifled us and meant we were unable to take our

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own decisions and our own national interest. What about the competition

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question for people in Northern Ireland? They are looking at

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Scotland and saying they are likely to get a second referendum, but

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people who voted to remain in the EU are expected to accept that. There

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is absolutely no certainty on a second Scotland referendum. I think

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that the Scotland referendum that took place on independence settled

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the question, so I don't think anybody should be rushing to further

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referendum. The fact is that it is the United Kingdom that is a member

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of the EU. We voted one United Kingdom. But I do fully recognise

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that those who voted Remain in the Ireland do have concerns, and I

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think it will be very important to demonstrate that Northern Ireland

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will face a very bright future outside of the European Union. It

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will still be a huge success, and sure, in attracting inward

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investment, just as it does today, because it is in the interest of the

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EU to reach a good free trade deal with us, because they sell much more

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to us than we do to them. So it is in their interest to reach a

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sensible deal with us which enables people to come to Northern Ireland,

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set up business, and export into the rest of the EU. You said nor to

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border are poor, but you think this brings it one step closer? -- you

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said no to a border Paul. I don't think so. For me to be required to

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call a border Paul, it has required that I think there is a majority in

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favour of a united Ireland. I do not linger is and therefore a border

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Paul would divisive. It is distracting when we have to deal

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with the economy,... If some of the disastrous economic consequences

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come to pass, while you kill any personal responsibility for that? I

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do not think we will see the kind of economic crisis some predicted. Even

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if we saw some of these worst-case scenarios, all of those reports

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confirmed we would continue to grow. The debate was by how much. I

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believe the United Kingdom and Northern Ireland in particular is a

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great country. We have a huge amount going for us. At the heart of what

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Remain said was the idea that we were too small a week to stand our

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own feet and run our own democracy. I think that is wrong and I think we

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will be a great success, and certainly continue not only to do a

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huge amount of business with the EU, but taking control over trade means

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new opportunities around the rest of the world, and growing markets like

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India and China. Our Dublin correspondent

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Shane Harrison has been What was the initial

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reaction to the result? This is clearly not the result the

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Irish Government wanted. It campaigned for a Remain vote among

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Irish citizens in the UK. The Republic of course is staying in the

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European Union. There are real fears hear about the falling value of

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sterling, and how it might affect trade between the two states,

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estimated to be valued at around 1 billion euros a week. So there are

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concerns about that here, it has to be said. The Taoiseach has already

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ruled out holding holes for a border poll with regard to Northern

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Ireland, but there are worries about whether there would be a hard soft

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border between the European Union and the UK. If there is, will it be

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at for example airports and ports are on roads and motorways? These

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are real issues that will have to be addressed, and maybe the first

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discussion on this will take place at the ministerial Council meeting

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on Monday week. Later in the programme will be talking to people

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who have concerns who live in Newbury and along the border there.

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How concerned in particular do think the Irish Government is on the

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damage this because North South relations and the trade, the strong

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link between North and South? There was a special Cabinet meeting called

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because of the referendum result this morning to discuss contingency

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plans, and opposition leaders have been bright. There will be a special

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sitting of the Dail on Monday. That all suggest there is some degree of

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concern. The Taoiseach Enda Kenny today suggested he envisaged a

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longer drawn-out process of divorce between the EU and the UK, than

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perhaps some senior figures in Brussels were imagining it would be.

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But we are as John Campbell said very much in uncharted territory,

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and these are very, located political and legal matters that

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will have to be resolved over the coming months if not years. -- very

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complicated matters. You're watching a specially

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extended BBC Newsline. Euro 2016 reaches the knockout

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phase this weekend - I'll have the latest

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from the Parc Des Princes in Paris ahead of Northern

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Ireland's clash with Wales. Declan Kearney, Sinn Fein's

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national chairperson, What effect, if any, do you think

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the vote will have on the Good Friday Agreement and its workings?

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If you wouldn't mind repeating her answer their, we did not get it.

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What effect the Brexit will have on the workings of the Good Friday

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Agreement. I do think it will have ramifications for the entire

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political process. What has happened during the course of the evening is

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a complete subversion of the democratic mandate and will of the

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people of Northern Ireland, and I think it is quite ridiculous and

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scandalous for Theresa Villiers to suggest that the requirement known

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for a border poll would represent a diversion and become divisive, when

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in actual fact, the referendum which greeted this set of circumstances

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should never have happened in the first place. -- which created this

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set of circumstances. It arose from divisions in the Conservative Party

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to which she belongs, between one right-wing faction and another. Sinn

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Fein seems to be the only party in favour of a border Paul and says

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that today's vote strengthens the case for a border poll, but

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realistically when would that happen and who would be involved? Would it

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be only Northern Ireland or an all Ireland vote? To allow me to finish

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my point, Theresa Villiers attempted to suggest that would be a divisive

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process. No more divisive than the approach that has been taken by the

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British date in addition to this referendum, where the vast majority

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of people in Northern Ireland have voted to remain within Europe, and

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know as a direct result of a vote taken in England we are being

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dragged out of the European Union. The need for a border poll arises

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from the fact that we have dramatically changed the political

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and economic circumstances here in the north. What we now need to see

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is an inclusive discussion about the constitutional future of the island

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as a direct result of these very compelling material change to the

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political circumstances of the North. We are now into uncharted

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waters. Sorry to interrupt you. Let me finish this point. What we now

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see is that Brexit is the price of partition. We have what we have

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today, and looking at the workings and then of the Northern Ireland

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Executive, your core partners in Government, the DUP, are firmly of

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the opinion that Northern Ireland can survive outside of the European

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Union. How can you know work with that party for the benefit of

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Northern Ireland? There is absolutely no economic rationale or

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objective analysis that system is that position. I am quite astounded

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at the fact that the DUP allowed themselves to be led by the this

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internal conflict within the British Conservative Party. And that they

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have no effectively become cheerleaders for the subversion of

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democracy in Northern Ireland, a position that was adopted by all

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sectors of our community, to remain in the European Union, involved

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promises, catholic, people of all political affiliations and none. So

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we now need to face the prospect of a new British Government emerging,

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and more right wing British Government, and across the political

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divide and across civic society we need to come together, unite,

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prepare to face the prospect of increase of 30 that will be

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inflicted upon our people. Stand together and refused to accept those

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circumstances. -- the prospect of increased circumstances. I'm afraid

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we have to leave it here. And we'll hear from the DUP

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later in the programme. For people from Northern Ireland

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living and working in other parts of Europe, the Brexit vote

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could have implications in terms BBC Newsline's Mark Simpson

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is in Paris where he's Mark, today you've been speaking

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to people from Belfast Yes, there is a small community from

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Northern Ireland year in Paris, just as there are small communities from

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Northern Ireland and other European cities like Germany, the

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Netherlands, Spain. They all add up. We are talking a significant number

:25:55.:25:58.

of people, and they have a lot of questions today. What about, if they

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have a British passport, will they still qualify for one of these? The

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answer is, we will have to wait and see. And each IC card. Everybody

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gets on when they go on holiday. Will people with a British passport

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be able to travel with one of these in the coming years? -- a European

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health insurance card. People have questions about money, travel

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arrangements for going home. Lots of questions, and they are waiting here

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in places like Paris for of answers. Is there any sense that other EU

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countries are looking at the relationship with the EU? There is a

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new word being formed here in France in recent weeks, and that is Frexit,

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the French equivalent of Brexit. Just like the UK, they will

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