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The call for more support for the thousands of people over 60

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here who are victims of domestic abuse.

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Also on the programme: No heating and just six toilets -

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migrants workers were crammed into a building

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The landlord pleads guilty to 12 offences.

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A decade in jail wrongly convicted of a newsagent s murder.

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A police report says there is insufficient evidence

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to charge anyone over a miscarriage of justice.A warning there's been

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a big rise in the number of emergency calls to deal with

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His body was twisting and he was swallowing his tongue. Then we

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started to panic. The search has started

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for the new manager - David Moyes, Denis Bergkamp,

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Avram Grant and Gus Pouet - just some of the names linked

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with the job. Much more needs to be done

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to support older people who are the victims

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of domestic abuse in Wales. That's according to the Older

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People's Commissioner who says the usual support services are not

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always appropriate for those over 60 More than 30,000 people

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in Wales are affected. I'll be speaking to Sarah Rochira

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in just a moment, but first this Domestic abuse affects 30,000 people

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in Wales every year. Janine is one of them. We have changed her name to

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protect her identity and her words are spoken by someone else. The bad

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times have outweighed the good times because that's all you tend to think

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about and it goes over and over in your head. I've been scared to go

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out and find somewhere. Whilst she has praised the support she has

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received, the commissioner says there are unique issues for older

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people in abusive relationships and services are not always appropriate.

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If the option you are given is to a refuge or care home, I am not sure

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many people would think that is acceptable particularly as they have

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learnt to live with the abuse. We need to find better ways of

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providing alternative support and response to older people. Some

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charities are calling the designated refuges for older people or specific

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rooms within existing refuges. Back in the day, older women but up with

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the abuse. It was eight to be the subject and there were not places

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for older women to go. Sometimes their grown-up children wouldn't

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support them, they would even blame them for the breakdown of the

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relationship or the abuse. These women in the Vale of Glamorgan

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belief -- believe abuse amongst older people is hidden. You always

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think it's amongst younger people. It's not something you hear about

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with older people. It's sad they sort of obviously love the other

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person and don't want to leave them. I think people are ashamed if it is

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happening to them and they hide their bruises and their hurt. The

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Welsh government says they've bellowed guidance and a national

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training framework. Janine has left the home she lived in for 30 years

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and is rebuilding her life. I hope is that others like her get the

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support they need as soon as possible.

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Sarah Rochira, you're the Older People's Commissioner.

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Has the abuse of over-60s been largely ignored?

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I don't think we've ignored it but we've just not recognised it for a

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number of reasons. For many it something they don't want to speak

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about as they might feel ashamed or that there is an support. Older

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people might not recognise it as abuse because when it started it

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might not have been considered as abuse. Also, for many older people

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the physical signs may well have stopped because it has been going on

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for so very long. Perhaps then eight Lance will be enough. But we need to

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recognise and address it -- perhaps a glance will be enough. What is the

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nature of the abuse we are talking about? We use the phrase domestic

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abuse and it's different for everyone. But we should use other

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words that are hard to hear. Theft, battery, sexual assault, coercion

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and imprisonment. For too many older people who are the big tins of

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domestic homicide the word we would use is death was not what is more

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worrying is that for many older people it has gone on Ford decades

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and only a tiny fraction of older people find themselves to the

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protection services. Are those services adequate? You say that

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sometimes they may not be appropriate. In what way? I have

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seen really good practice here with agencies working together and good

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fit teams support. But it is not standard practice in Wales. We have

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new legislation and I am working with the Welsh government to

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implement that. Whilst there are common issues that run across

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domestic abuse across all ages, there are issues specific to older

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people. If you are an older person being abused by your grandchildren

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all child, for example, and hard as it is to say those words, that is

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what it is. You may not want that person to be removed as you may

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still love them. But you want the abuse to stop. So we need to focus

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on restorative and family support that enables the family to stay

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together and for the older person to be safe and not be abused. Another

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example touched on in your clip is an example like where would people

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live? We need to better understand the issues relating to older people

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if we are to rescue them from the horror they live in.

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Thank you very much. It was described as "uninhabitable",

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but migrant farm workers from eastern Europe were crowded

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into a former warehouse The landlord has admitted 12 housing

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offences More than 100 workers,

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including a child, were living in the property in Flintshire,

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sharing just six toilets. These pictures capture the moments

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shortly after the property was raided. Migrants can be seen milling

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around the place they were supposed to think of as their home. The

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Ambulance Service was there in case anyone suffering from injuries.

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Luggage on the pavement, the raid came after an anonymous tip-off.

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Things were so for -- Paul the inhabitants were thought of as at

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risk. Some returned to Eastern Europe. In court at Wrexham, the

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landlord, John Russell Brown, admitted 12 housing charges and was

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said to be taking ?23,000 a month in rent. When we revisited the

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warehouse site today, mattresses could still be seen through a

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window. Officers found 107 people, including an eight-year-old child,

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crammed into small rooms. They all shared just six toilets and six

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showers. There was no heating and hardly any light. This place was

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uninhabitable the court was told. At Wrexham Logistics caught the

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prosecution said they would look to recoup their legal costs as well as

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the cost of the investigation, a total of around ?53,000. Russell

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Brown will be sentenced next month. 19 people have been arrested

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by Wales' four police forces over the past nine months for downloading

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obscene images of children. Police have confirmed three of those

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arrested were in a position of trust, and four children have

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now been safeguarded. The National Crime Agency says more

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than 680 people were detained across the UK as part

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of Operation Notarise. Two men from Wiltshire have been

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charged following a tipper truck crash in which four people died,

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including three men 19-year-old Phillip Potter has been

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charged with causing death by dangerous driving

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and 29-year-old Matthew Gordon with aiding and abetting

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dangerous driving. Robert Parker from Cwmbran,

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Phil Allen from Loughor and Stephen Vaughan from Swansea

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died when their car was hit Four-year-old Mitzy

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Steady was also killed. An investigation into the murder

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of Phillip Saunders, which resulted in the wrongful

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conviction of three men from Cardiff, has failed to uncover

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any instances of perjury Michael O'Brien, Ellis Sherwood

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and Darren Hall spent more than a decade in jail for a murder

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they were innocent of. Twenty-eight years on,

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the real killer still hasn't been Michael O'Brien lives a quiet life

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now away from the city where he was handed a killer and jailed for over

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11 years for a murder he didn't commit. I am moving on with my life.

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Today's final report into his allegations surrounding the

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investigation that resulted in him and two others being wrongly jailed

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concluded there was no perjury, no false evidence and no threatening of

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witnesses. I'm disappointed because there have been plenty of programmes

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made. The evidence was good enough to get us out of the Court of Appeal

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and prove our innocence but not strong enough to bring charges. It

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is absurd in the least. The men were 19 when Philip Saunders was robbed

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and murdered. That killing was back in 1987. One year later the

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so-called Cardiff newsagent three were found guilty of murder. It was

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almost a decade before it was looked at by the criminal cases review

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commission and in 2000 their convictions were quashed. The case

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was reopened three years later that no new evidence was found. Three

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years ago, the Crown Prosecution Service ruled there was insufficient

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evidence to charge anyone with perjury. This report has the same

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conclusion. What they say now is that there are safeguards in place

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so that it won't happen again, hopefully. But it doesn't take away

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a bitter pill that the three wrongly accused men have got to swallow and

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got to sustain them. After their arrest, Michael O'Brien and Ellis

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Sherwood were held here. The detective Inspector claimed he

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overheard a conversation which seemed to implicate them and he

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wrote it down on the back of an expenses borne full top Michael

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O'Brien says he can't hold out for much longer -- expenses form.

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I stand by the fact that that conversation did not happen. That

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conversation was allegedly overheard in these cells. But like the police

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station, the note is now gone. It mysteriously went missing with case

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papers after the original trial. Michael O'Brien said it was

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fabrication and this latest report concedes that cannot be an entirely

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accurate record but it concludes there is insufficient evidence to

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charge anyone with perjury or perverting the course of justice.

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This results in the culmination of several years of investigative work.

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They recognise that in spite of the passage of time it has had a lasting

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impact. They suffered a miscarriage of justice but the newsagent, Philip

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Saunders, has been denied justice. Who killed him 28 years ago? That

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still remains unsolved. Still to come: there's about 40

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boxes full of toiletries and nonperishable food.

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Some of the thousands of boxes for a Christmas appeal for homeless people

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in Swansea. It's the cold days more than anything. Especially if you are

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in it all day long. There's been a significant rise

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in the number of 999 calls related This year the Welsh Ambulance

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Service says it's dealt with 222 emergency calls involving these

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substances, compared to 31 in 2013. And one charity says it knows

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of children as young They're not illegal under current

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drugs laws but these so-called psychoactive or mind-altering

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substances are putting pressure Chloe John saw firsthand how

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paramedics struggled to deal with an adverse reaction

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to legal highs. She and friends smoked too much

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of a drug bought in a shop in His whole body started twisting

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and he was swallowing his tongue. We panicked thinking this

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isn't normal or right. When we called emergency services

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he had been having a panic attack Paramedics took the drug

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away for analysis. Her friend made a full recovery

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but Chloe says seeing him almost die has turned her against

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legal highs for good. We actually thought

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he was going to die. We panicked so much

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that we couldn't do anything. At the Welsh Ambulance Service call

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centre they are dealing with emergencies like that more

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than ever before. Even though they make up a small

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number of the total calls they receive, emergencies

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involving legal highs can be Those calls would come in generally

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during the night-time economy when we do tend to be busy so it may

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well have more of an impact on us than some other types

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of overdose calls. These calls can be more challenging

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because the substance is unknown. You don't know what the patient

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will be like, how they will present. They might not even be

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there when we get on scene or be complete the erratic and

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unmanageable. Most of these types of calls

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involving young person. The younger start around 11

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but those are extreme cases been normalised in a home

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environment or strong peer pressure. That's probably the youngest we'd

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see. I'm sure there are younger

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and that the mean average is towards the middle teens but 11

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would not be as common The government plans to have a total

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ban in place by February but some charities fear that could drive

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the trade in legal Over 6,000 homes will be built

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in Wales over the next five years as part of the Welsh

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Government's Help to Buy scheme. It's claimed the investment

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of around ?290 million will boost the building industry here and help

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thousands of families Since the scheme was launched last

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year, nearly 2,000 people have been given an interest free loan

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of up to 20% of the value Many people tell me they would not

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have been able to buy their house without this scheme. It's important

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for the economy and job creation also. The latest at Swansea city

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now. Garry Monk has spoken for the first

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time since being sacked saying he's sad to leave the club. As for a

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successor? It's been a day of rumour and speculation. There were more

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departures today though. His assistant and two coaches followed

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their former colleague out of the club.

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The search for a new manager has started. Tipped by bookmakers, the

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former Man United boss and David Bergkamp are favourites. Tonight,

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out of nowhere, Grant is second favourite. He has huge experience of

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English foot wall. Then there is Gus Poyet who used to be at Sunderland.

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But who do the fans want? I would like to see Brendan Rodgers

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comeback. He would fit back in and he knows what it's about. We

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shouldn't have got rid of Monk. This man is expected to be in charge for

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Saturday's game. The long-time coach has stepped in before 11 years ago.

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That was in the old third division. The longer it goes without somebody

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coming in it will be difficult. Results might get worse before then.

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Hopefully that's not the case but December will be massive force on

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the city. -- massive for Swansea city. Fresh from picking up his OBE,

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the chairman is heading the recruitment drive now and a final

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decision will be taken by the board. He will no doubt do a lot of talking

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to give candidates but it is the tours' decision. Roberto Martinez

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played with and managed Gary Monk and he says his sacking is part of

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the modern game. You want to see managers having a long-term project

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and have the opportunity to take them into place. Decisions like this

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happen. Since being promoted to the Premier League four years ago,

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Swansea city has seen its revenue what -- rocket and they another 29th

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and in club in the world with revenues of over ?98 million, more

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than Porto. It's remarkable when you consider the club was scrapping in

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the lower leagues 14 years ago and sold for just ?1. The reason for

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this? Television. Next year and new deal with sky and 80 starts with

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more than ?5 billion. -- and BT. It means the champions next season will

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earn ?150 million. Finish bottom and you'll pocket at least ?90 million

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and that is why the stakes could not be higher. Many next season means

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it's imperative they stay in the Premier League. The managerial

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appointment is therefore is crucial to save their season and for the

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longer term future of the club will Wales' players and the Football

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Association of Wales have resolved the dispute about their bonus

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payment for qualifying There had been a disagreement

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after the FAW offered a seven-figure bonus - shared among the players -

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which was lower than the offer Rugby and Defence coach

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Shaun Edwards has signed a new deal keeping him with Wales

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until after the next He had been linked with a role

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with England but will remain in the job he took-up under

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Warren Gatland seven years ago. Jamie Rogers got injured in the

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Varsity match. The 29-year-old Doctor saw his side lose 12-6 to

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Oxford. He has played 74 times for Wales and he is the current

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international to feature in the game for six years. We will bring you any

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development from Swansea city later. Homelessness is an issue in our

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towns and cities all year round but during the festive period effort are

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often stepped up. In Swansea, a Christmas shoe box appeal has been

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organised and the response is said to have been overwhelming. Ben Price

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has found out more. When I met 31-year-old team he had

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been offered a room at a hostel run by a homeless charity. He's

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experienced homelessness for years on and off having been eaten up one

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night recently in Swansea he told me he had been praying for this game to

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come. I started crying because it was overwhelming. I am safe and I'm

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out of the way. They couldn't do more for me. He says it's never easy

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sleeping rough but it's an even greater challenge this time of year.

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It's the cold more than anything especially if you are out in it all

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day long. It gets you down and gets your mental health down. You get

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depressed and you start thinking that nothing is worth it. You'd tend

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to mope around all day long. Homelessness can refer to anyone

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without a stable roof over their heads and then there are those on

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the streets. Around 250 people were sleeping rough in Wales according to

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a snapshot censors last winter, but it's believed it could be much

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higher than that. In an effort to reach out to people, three friends

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from the Swansea area have spent the past few weeks collect ten shoe

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rocks is full of various items. There are about 40 boxes here full

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of toiletries, nonperishable food, hats, scarves and anything to keep

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people warm and give them something nice to help them look after

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themselves. Through the power of social media, this has attracted an

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overwhelming response with around 2500 bags and ox is being donated.

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People have been amazingly generous. -- boxes. Many have been delivered

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to the hostel. But it is hoped that other charities will also be

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prepared to receive donations. A lot of the shoe boxes will be spread

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around different organisations around Swansea because there are

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probably about another seven or eight hostel is full. These boxes

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might just be a small gesture of kindness, but it appears to be an

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awful lot to those who might have gone without this Christmas. Oh!

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And now for the weather forecast. How is it looking?

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The rain is easing but after those heavy downpours there are flood

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warnings in place. Full details on those on the website below:

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this cold front will dominate the weather for the next few days.

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Turning increasingly windy this evening with showers pushing

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through. Clear spells overnight. Colder in the North. Thicker cloud

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is courtesy of that front hovering to the south of the UK and waving

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back and forth over the next few days. The odd shower possible

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tomorrow, but Chile and blustery for most with sunny spells. That front

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is never too far away. Risk, westerly winds behind that front.

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Tomorrow night starts clear and dry -- bright but turning cloudy from

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the South West with the band of rain pushing back in. Colder where it is

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clear in the north-east and the risk of frost. After hanging around for a

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couple of days, that same weather system meanders northwards through

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Saturday and Sunday bringing further rain at times. Transient snow on

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high ground but quickly turning to rain again and a strong southerly

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wind. Because of the ongoing flood risk, we Met Office has issued an

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early warning for rain on Saturday. Particularly in the North.

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Eventually, this feature will ease on Sunday. Chile and brighter

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tomorrow and colder overnight into Saturday with rain moving northwards

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and easing on Sunday. Much more needs to be done to

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support older people who are fit teams of domestic abuse In Wales,

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According To The older people's Commissioner. She says services are

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not always appropriate for those elderly people in services. We will

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be back with you with a quick update at eight o'clock. From all of us,

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thank you for your company and have a very good evening.

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