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Good evening and welcome to BBC Look North.

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Guilty - a court decides a 15-year-old girl murdered

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Elizabeth Edwards and her d`ughter Katie in Spalding.

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The girl will be sentenced `long with a 15-year-old boy

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who pleaded guilty to the mtrders which shocked a community.

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I hope he gets locked up and they throw the key away. I will be

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honest, I really do. She did not deserve that, she was a nicd lady.

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A huge rise in ambulances having to queue

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When we cannot release ambulance crews in a timely manner thdre is a

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direct impact on the servicd and of course in the community.

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Dawn chorus - the birdwatchdrs flocking to the Lincolnshird coast

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More showers in the forecast tomorrow as well. I will be back

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later with all the details. This is Elizabeth Edwards

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and her 13-year-old daughter Katie. Both were murdered as they slept

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in their beds Today at Nottingham Crown Court

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a 15-year-old girl was found guilty of their murder along

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with her former boyfriend who'd Both were just 14 at

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the time of the killings. Tonight we'll be live with our

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reporter Leanne Brown, who's been in court throughout

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the five day trial. These murders were born out of an

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intense relationship and carefully planned...

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where the town is still tryhng to come to terms with what happened

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People tell me they are the shops now as they were back in April when

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they learned the full horror of what happened here.

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And we'll be asking a criminologist why such young teenagers cotld have

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been driven to commit such violent crimes.

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We start tonight though at Nottingham Crown Court

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The girl showed no emotion `t all when the verdict was read ott but

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there were cries and gusts from the public gallery. The jury took only

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2.5 hours to reach the verdhct, one of guilty on two counts of lurder. I

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have been here throughout this five-day trial at Nottinghal Crown

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Court in which the jury heard graphic details about what happened

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to Elizabeth Edwards and her 13-year-old daughter, Katie. It was

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the boy who carried out the act stabbing them in the throat and

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targeting their voice boxes so they would not scream. He smothered them

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with a pillow as well. The court heard she was the driving force

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helping to plan it and watch it It was a crime that has shocked on many

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levels, not only because of their age, but the brutality and the fact

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that even today no remorse has been shown. The lives of a loving mother

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and daughter destroyed by two teenage killers. Liz was st`bbed

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eight times and her daughter twice with a 20 centimetre kitchen knife.

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It was then left in Katie's bedroom. In an interview the 15-year,old girl

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revealed there was a bag of knives. She said a gun would have bden

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easier but we do not really have many in this country, so knhves were

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the easier option. I picked up the medium knife...

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The boy carried out the att`ck but the pair plans the killings together

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on the 10th of April. They `ttempted to carry them out on Monday and

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Tuesday but it was not until Wednesday night the murders took

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place. On Thursday, friends and the police visited the house, btt there

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was no response. Police rettrned again on Friday the 15th of April

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and found both of them dead in their beds. They had been there for around

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36 hours before they were discovered. Described as rational

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and cold, what happened had a devastating effect on the f`mily.

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What makes this case even more shocking is that these two were 14

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years of age when they planned and committed these callous, senseless

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and unprovoked attacks on Elizabeth and Katie. This case has left a

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number of lives in ruins. After the killings of the girl was sedn by a

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sick are dressed. She told him, iPod laid-back about what we had done...

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It was also revealed her relationship with the boy w`s a

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ticking time bomb and Doctor Joseph said if they had not...

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The jury heard how the teen`ged couple had a bath and watch the

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vampire film Twilight after the killings. They now have the

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notoriety of being labelled the youngest ever British coupld to be

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convicted of a double murder. The pair cannot be named for legal

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reasons. They have been rem`nded in secure accommodation and will be

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sentenced in November. In wrapping up proceedings today the judge

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thanked the jury for their service and said it had been an excdptional

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case in many ways. The Brown reporting.

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Spalding is a quiet market town in Lincolnshire which has bden left

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stunned by the killings of Elizabeth Edwards

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Our reporter Kate Sweeting is there this evening.

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What's been the reaction to today's verdict.

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As you say, this is a rural market town in Lincolnshire which has heard

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graphic details about the mtrder of a well liked mother and daughter.

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They were murdered by two children growing up in the town, a ghrl and

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boy, and we heard the girl had a grudge against one of her vhctims,

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the 49-year-old Elizabeth Edwards. Some of the people I've spoken to

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have been hostile to the media attention and you could say

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understandably so because it is a quiet place to live, now thrust into

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the media spotlight for the worst possible reason. What has h`ppened

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in this house has shocked at the local community. 49-year-old

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Elizabeth Edwards and her 13-year-old daughter Katie were

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stabbed in the neck and smothered while they slept. She was a lovely

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woman. I could not fault her in any way. I am not the only person that

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says that, loads of people say that. A young girl like that, she is

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lovely, a stunning girl. Th`t is how her life ended, should not have

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ended like that. Sheena and Susan have set up a memorial wherd

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residents can remember a popular mother and daughter. Just for me she

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was funny and she did not know she was funny. You never saw Katie

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without a smile. Never saw her miserable. Always smiling. Dlizabeth

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was a dinner lady and this primary School. When she do not turn up for

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work concern was raised. Shd would always drop a letter in with one of

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the mums going by and say, just drop that into the school, she would

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always let people know. I w`s a bit concerned she had not been hn but

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not actually realising how serious it was. The pair lay dead for a day

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and a half before they were discovered by police. Jane was a

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friend but also knew the tednagers who killed them. Scum. I have got

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nothing to say. I hope they get locked up and they throw thd key

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away. I'll be honest, I really do, she was a nice lady, did not deserve

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that. They have got to be accountable for what they h`ve done.

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Erasing the tragedy of what happened will be difficult but residdnts are

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determined to remember Liz `nd Katie as a kind, funny and loving mother

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and daughter. As you saw in my report fridnds and

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family of lives and Katie h`ve put up memorial plaques in this garden

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where they can come and remdmber them. From your friends fordver in

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our hearts, Katie is singing and playing with the angels. We heard

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Katie loved singing and lovd drama. This is a tragedy which will stay in

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the minds of people here for a long time to come. Thank you, Kate in

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Spalding. Earlier I spoke to Dr Franchs Pakes,

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a criminologist who specialhses in youth crime, and asked hhm how

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two young people who'd been together for less than a year could conspire

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to commit such an act? It is quite an extraordinarx set of

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events. It is something which is so uncommon that at first it bdggars

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belief. It does make you wonder about the extraordinary

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interpersonal dynamics which must have taken place. Can being in a

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pair or a group be different in what people will do to... Compardd to

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being on your own? Behaviour in a group is essentially differdnt from

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individual behaviour becausd of the dynamics between the individuals.

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One of the psychological phdnomenon I was reminded in learning `bout

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case is the so-called risky shipped, that small groups can come to

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decisions and behaviours whhch are simply more extreme and dangerous

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than individuals by themselves. How shocked are you by the eviddnce by

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the psychiatrist that the ghrl showed absolutely no remorsd, or did

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not look upset in the conversation? It is quite extraordinary. This

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whole case is of an extraordinary nature and that makes it very

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difficult to understand. I understand there was a cert`in calm

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in the planning and preparation of the event and a sense of relief and

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calm on behalf of the defendant afterwards. That is the last you

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would expect, particularly from individuals as young as in this

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case. Everybody watching tonight will be asking, they will bd

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staggered that a 14-year-old girl, or boy, could do something like

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this. We must remember how extraordinary this is. It is not

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that children never kill because on occasions they do. They tend to be a

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few cases each year in this country. We know in principle they are

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capable. What is even more rare is this calm preparation and the sense

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of calm and emotion being lhmited to relief. It suggests even at this

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young age these individuals have felt a strong sense of alienation

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from mainstream values and alienation from society as ` whole.

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Very good to talk to you tonight. Thank you for your time. Other

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news... Staff in Immingham and Hull

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are waiting to hear whether they'll be affected by job losses at DB

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Cargo. The company is planning

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to make almost 900 workers Unions say they want

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to speak to the management DB Cargo has blamed a fall hn rail

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freight traffic for its dechsion. The first phase of a new flood

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defence system designed to protect A 520 metre glass wall has been

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built to defend the village It's part of a three

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and a half million pound project to ease the risk of floods

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across Hull and the East Riding It protects the people of Paull

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from tidal events on the Hulber We had a recent one in 2013

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which was a close shave. This hopefully now provides

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the protection and the reassurance for the community but it is also

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part of a wider package. It's never enough,

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you can always do more, But from what we can see

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at the moment this protects An MEP from the East Midlands has

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defended a Hull based UKIP politician over claims

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he punched a rival. Steven Woolfe left UKIP yesterday

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after claiming he was hit during a row with Mike Hookdm,

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who represents Yorkshire Mr Hookem told the BBC he h`dn't

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landed a punch and that's bden I did not see the actual

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action because it was in I was in the room when

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the meeting was taking placd. Steven Woolfe returned

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to the meeting. He sort of fell into the room

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but he immediately got up, resumed his seat, talked normally

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and I personally could see no sign The number

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of ambulances waiting over `n hour And the early bird catches the worm

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- birdwatchers flock to the Lincolnshire coast to see

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a special migration. Keep your photographs coming into

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night. That was taken by Andrew sunset at the Humber Bridge. Thank

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you very much indeed for th`t. One minute they blackened night and then

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the sun is out. Let's get the forecast. Also quite cold, wasn t

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it, Peter? Chile and autumn`l and heavy downpours. We will sthll have

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some shelves tomorrow. Most focused in eastern areas. -- showers. A

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number of rainbows. High prdssure will build from the West through the

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week but low-pressure sitting out to the east, meaning along the coast we

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could get this from BC, quite breezy and showery and inland we whll have

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some pleasant autumnal days, cool and misty mornings and dry `nd

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bright afternoons. We can sde on these pictures, this will p`ss

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through and we have got this big area of showers really giving

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downpours, they will continte to clear up this evening. Tonight is

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not bad at all, dry, fine and broken cloud, wind lightening a little and

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allowing shallow mist patchds to develop. Cooler in the countryside.

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A chilly start I think to the day tomorrow, particularly relate. The

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sun will rise in the morning at 737, setting at 554, high water times of

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this evening... We starts tomorrow on a pleasant note and throtghout

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there will be a good deal of dry bright weather with spells of

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sunshine. You can see as it progresses some showers cropping up,

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hit and miss for the inland areas, on the coast when it is windy, you

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are more likely to catch a number of showers but we will have gaps and

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sunshine in between. Temper`ture is perhaps a touch higher than today,

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getting up to around 12 or 03 degrees, 13 is 55 Fahrenheit. The

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coast this week, always mord risk of catching windy conditions and some

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showers, and further inland you are, a bit more in the way pleas`nt

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autumnal sunshine. Thank yot very much indeed.

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The number of patients being kept waiting for more than an hotr

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in ambulances outside A h`s more than trebled in two years at some

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hospitals in our area according to new figures obtained

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Ambulances should be able to hand over patients to A staff

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Hospital managers say they're working hard to tackle the delays

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as our health correspondent, Vicky Johnson now reports.

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Ambulances queueing up outside our hospitals,

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an increasingly common sight as emergency departments get

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The government target for handovers is

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15 minutes and hospitals face penalties of up to ?1,000 for every

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It is not a good experience for the patients

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ambulance or on a trolley in hospital waiting to be handdd over

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but more importantly we havd patients in the community w`iting

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for an ambulance response and clearly

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we are unable to respond in

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the timeframe we are required to do so.

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The East Midlands service s`y over 6,000 patients were

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left waiting more than one hour outside emergency

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Latest figures show the number had trebled to more than 18,000.

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In the same period the Yorkshire ambulance

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service report there were

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1,400 patients waiting more than 60 minutes,

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Managers at Lincoln County say some of the delays were because of a

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shortage of beds elsewhere in the hospital.

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Today we've got about 40 patients on-site medically fit for

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discharge who could go to another place of care if there was capacity

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All that culminated in a problem with a and E

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were the bottleneck is

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and why we sometimes see people waiting.

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Here in Scunthorpe staff introduced a handover system six months ago.

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You're met by a nurse who can do a handover,

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do a quick assessment and

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initiate initial treatment or assess if patients

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go to a specialist unit or if they need to see

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We used to have around six patients a day

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waiting over the 60 minutes, that is right down to one.

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In times obviously when we `re busy it is difficult.

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Paramedics from East Midlands service say

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difference in turnaround tiles at Northern Lincolnshire hospitals and

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say they hope the scheme will soon be adopted

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We will ask for your views on this one in just a moment.

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Jon Ashworth is the Shadow Health Secretary.

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I spoke to him earlier and `sked him why he was describing

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I think it indicates the crhsis in a and E departments where it has got

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massive pressure because of the financial mismanagement of the NHS

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and also because of issues `ffecting the social care sector. Last week an

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independent report said it was on the verge of tipping point. What we

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are saying is these ambulance waiting times are not on, not what

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patients expect. We want ministers to get a grip quickly. When Labour

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left power you are putting just 100 billion into the NHS and last year

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the Conservative government put 120 million. -- just 100 million. It is

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not just money. Is that the point you were trying to make? It is not

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just how the money is managdd but also the fact that the Consdrvatives

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in six years cut quite deeply into the social care budgets thex give to

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the local councils. But thex are putting more into the NHS. Hn the

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last election they promised more money than Labor Day. How would you

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do things differently and m`ke it right? -- Labour Party did. I'm not

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making a political point. I making a point on the behalf of patidnts

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waiting for more than one hour. If you cut as the Conservative

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government has done that will impact on the NHS because people nded to

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leave their hospitals and bdds and moved to the social care sector but

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the capacity is not there bdcause of the deep cuts we have seen hn social

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care. More broadly, the govdrnment say they will be making ?22 billion

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of efficiencies, but in a lot of cases it means cuts. A government

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minister yesterday was talkhng about cutting many community pharlacies

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across Yorkshire and Humber. -- ministers were talking about. A cut

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would be governed are going to introduce will probably havd a

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greater financial impact on the NHS. These are the decisions we want them

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to think again upon. What would you do differently if you were `ctually

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the health secretary? We have got to look at how the finances ard

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managed. Would you put more money into the NHS than you did l`st time?

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Because last time you were being beaten by the Conservatives. There

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is no question the NHS needs more money. A lot of senior Consdrvative

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ministers in the cabinet did tell us some weeks ago we would get 350

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million for the NHS... That was not my question... I understand that,

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I'm asking if you would put more money in than the Conservathves if

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you were in power. We think the NHS needs greater financing than it has

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at the moment. Thank you very much indeed. The shadow health mhnister

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talking to me earlier. Let us know what you

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think about this story. What's the solution to treating

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ambulance patients more quickly Is there ONE simple fix to this

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or is it a combination of m`ny This is how to get in touch. Is

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money the answer or is it a vicious circle leading to more problems The

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address is there. The text number... Or follow me on Twitter... Nice and

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quick on that story and we will have some before we finish at seven

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o'clock. Thanks to everyone who's bedn

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in touch about the business leaders in East Yorkshire claiming that

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small firms are being let down by the rapid

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closure of bank branches. The Federation of Small Bushnesses

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has warned that small and medium sized businesses -

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many of which deal in cash and cheques -

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face tough challenges as br`nches Always a very emotive issue. Thank

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you very much for those. Hull trains has won

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the Rail Operator of the Ye`r award The company, which launched

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in the year 2000, says it's down to continual investment

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in its trains and improvements We knew we had a business and

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product performing for the customers but winning it is unusual. We are a

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relatively small business for the rail industry, up against l`rge

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franchises, government franchises, so winning something when wd are a

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much smaller business is a great endorsement to our people and great

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for the city as well. It certainly is, congratulations Hull tr`ins

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In football, Scunthorpe United could go seven points clear

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Athletic is on Radio Humberside from 7:45.

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BBC Radio Lincolnshire has Lincoln City's FA Cup

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They've also got reports from the FA Cup replay featuring Stamford.

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Cleethorpes has reached the finals of the great

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Sea View street is in the top three in the coastal community category,

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out of dozens of entries from across the country.

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Organisers are encouraging people to vote online

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It's just wonderful news for Cleethorpes.

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It's a great opportunity for us to showcase just

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how good Seaview Street is and Cleethorpes as a whole,

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There are no chains along hdre, it is boutique style.

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If you feel a little bit we`ry, pop inside

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and have a cup of coffee or sandwich at the lovely bistros

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You can't go to a better place for your shopping.

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Starting in Wales and Falmotth in is also on the short list. So,

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Cleethorpes is up there. Yot can vote for Cleethorpes online.

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It was an early start this lorning for hundreds of bird watchers

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who gathered on the East Co`st for a special event organisdd

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The 'High Tide Breakfast' at Gibraltar Point near Skegness

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was organised to allow people to see some of the tens of thousands

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of migrating birds which are currently feeding

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Our Environment Correspondent Paul Murphy was there.

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Dawn over the Lincolnshire wash an area renowned for birdlife `nd as

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high tide coincided with first light, the bird-watchers were here,

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as well. They were hoping for a glimpse of something special. The

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birds we have seen and weather flocks... They migrate all the way

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from the Arctic, which is astonishing and I find it

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astonishing. They sometimes spend winter in the Wash. They spdnt high

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tide out there in big numbers. Possibly anything up to abott 8 ,000

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birds. 80,000? 80,000, coming at the height of the tide. The event

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organised at the Gibraltar point visitors centre is called the high

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tide breakfast. It has provdd popular. The weather has turned a

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little bit for the worse. It was cold earlier and now it is cold wet

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and windy but it is great bdcause we can come to the centre, warl up

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again and enjoy breakfast. Ht is the peak time of year for bird

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migration. This has been ond of the highest tides of the year and it has

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come in over thousands of acres of mud flat and driven migrating birds

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inland. Unfortunately it is also brought the rain with it. Bhrds are

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expected to continue flocking here throughout the winter months. The

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wildlife trust said the new visitor centre has played a big part in

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bringing many more people into the special place.

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Let's get a recap of the national and regional headlines

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A 15-year-old girl is found guilty of murdering

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Elizabeth Edwards and her daughter Katie in Spalding.

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The teenager will be sentenced along with a 15-year-old boy who pleaded

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guilty to the murders which shocked a community.

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The weather tomorrow - plenty of dry weather

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through the morning with sunny spells.

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Showers will develop though, most frequent in eastern ardas

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That is 55 Fahrenheit. We are talking about the waiting thme for

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ambulances outside accident and emergency. Responses are coling in.

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Carol, if they sorted it out properly and put money in instead of

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cutting budgets and closing care homes, and respite places, they

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might be able to organise hospitals better. Steve, it is a growhng

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population, not just the elderly. We need to admit immigration is also a

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factor. Finally, Margaret, how on earth does anybody expect this

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situation to improve when wd have a rapidly growing population but not

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enough hospital staff? An elotive issue, still coming in, thank you

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for them and thank you for watching. Have a nice evening. Join us later

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if you can at half past ten, if not, I will see you tomorrow night at

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half past six as usual. Goodbye for now.

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