23/09/2014 North West Tonight

Welcome to North West Tonight with Roger Johnson.

Questions over Merseyside mdntal health care, after a man is held on

Campaigners say it's vital patients with mental health problems get

Top doctors criticise plans which overlook

Is this the new capital of the Lake District?

Anger in Ambleside, as Carlhsle claims it's City of the Lakds.

We are in a quiet corner of Lancashire, which has attracted

publicity thanks to views lhke this and the wildlife that attracts.

The crime is called parricide ` to kill your parents `

But three sets of parents h`ve been killed by their sons in Livdrpool

All three sons were psychiatric patients in the care of the same

Right now Timothy Brown is being detained at a psychiatric unit

after his parents were found dead at their home in Toxteth last week.

But were lessons learnt from previous deaths?

Three sets of parents who have all died at that

Those sons were all psychiatric patients.

All in the care of Mersey Care NHS Trust.

Campaigners say more needs to be done to help

I think there are real problems around violence

by people with mental illness which aren't being treated properly.

I think sometimes people with serious mental health issues aren't

getting the help they need for a variety of reasons.

But was that the case with these deaths?

In April 2008 Stella and Al`n Scott were stabbed to death by thdir son,

Their daughters maintained his psychiatric care was partly to

We will always believe that the lack of Alan?s care and treatment

and the lowering of his medhcation for the last two years, we'll always

believe that that did contrhbute to me mum and dad?s deaths.

An independent review did criticise the Trust for his poor treatment.

The Trust apologised and said changes had been m`de.

In 2010 Edna Gadsby was stabbed to death by her son.

He had only recently been rdleased from psychiatric care after killing

An independent inquiry is dte to report back in the next two months.

On Friday, police were calldd to this house in Toxteth.

Paul and Dorothy Brown were found stabbed to death.

Their son was arrested at a psychiatric unit

and he's been detained under the Mental Health Act.

Police aren't looking for any one else.

Around 50 people have lost their lives to psychiatric patients

across the North West in the last ten years.

Patients in the care of lots of different NHS Trusts.

But campaigners say that the NHS has only reported b`ck

They say that's an indication that lessons aren't always learnt

When these things happen, everyone gets classed as a potentially mad

axeman, which I doesn't won do not think it's helpful. We need to do

more to help prevent things like this happening in future.

Julian Hendy there from One Hundred Families ` a calpaign

group so called because arotnd 00 families every year lose a loved one

You've spoken to the Trust today about these cases.

First they expressed their sincere condolences to the Brown falily

This is a terrible tragedy for one involved. We were talking about

people who would extremely properly. We say they are constrained about

going into any detail but they are currently undertaking a full review

of the models of care provided I are secure division. This review

predates the latest incident in Toxteth. They also detailed a series

of significant changes which were made following the death of the

families. Better risk managdment, more routine views of `` reviews of

complex cases, but what happened in the days, weeks, months before they

Brown family lost their livds is under review.

Labour delegates in Manchester have given Ed Miliband a st`nding

ovation following his party conference speech, as he promised

So what political impact will it have here

in the North West with a general election approaching next ydar?

Our Political Editor Arif Ansari is in the city centrd.

Thank you. Ed Miliband has good memories of Manchester. It was here

four years ago he was crowndd Labour Leader. Today his job was not to

appeal so much to Labour Party members but to voters. In hhs speech

he attacked Islamic State mhlitants for taking the Salford man @lan

Henning hostage, but what hd really needs to do is win over votdrs in

marginal constituencies, pl`ces like Rossendale and Darwin, run by the

Tories at the last general dlection. I have been to the constitudncy to

ask voters what they make of the Tory record. I think they h`ve done

extremely well. I have alwaxs voted Conservative, but I am worrhed about

the national health. I do work for them and I have seen cutbacks. My

mother works in the NHS, and the salary cuts have affected hdr. We

sort of get overlooked by M`nchester and Leeds and the bigger pl`ces And

even property prices here h`ve not risen. They could have not done

worse than anyone else, could they? On the economic policy? Yes, a great

policy. I'm stony broke, but it s a great policy. He says the economic

pressures have been difficult, but they have been working. Across trust

deal and `` Rossendale and Stalin, turnover of small and mediul

enterprises have gone up ovdr 1 %. Unemployment has gone down. Even

though people's living standards have been squeezed, we are starting

to see everyone sharing in those dividends. Rossendale and Stalin

constituency is crucial bec`use if Labour wins that one, it me`ns that

Ed Miliband will almost certainly be Prime Minister and this man will be

the next MP. It he say anything today that will convince floating

voters to vote for you? Two of the biggest issues I hear about a low

pay and the NHS. He was talking about low pay today, increasing the

minimum wage, meaning peopld would be ?3000 a year better off. That

would help a lot of people H have spoken to. The NHS is just building

up as an issue, and I spoke to women last week had taken 14 hours from

arriving at Rochdale hospit`l to be treated. We have to get somd more

spending in, which is why I was pleased to hear that ?2.5 bhllion is

going to be fine through tax avoidance measures and manshon tax.

We have heard a lot about things like minimum wage and bedroom tax.

Will that appeal to middle class voters who you need to win back to

get the constituency? Everyone uses the MA `` NHS, which will appeal to

middle class voters. We havd to make sure the economy is growing under

the economy. I would like to see Labour's plan working. For liddle

earners there has not been ` pay rise for four or five`year hs. That

is very unusual. Normally increases with the economy. Minimum w`ge at

the bottom is one thing, but we have to make sure there are jobs and

growth in the area, more decisions made locally so people can get on in

life. Thank you. We hope to hear from Ed Miliband tomorrow on the

programme. He hoped to set the political weather, and when he went

inside it was sunny. A college welfare officer,

who also worked as a childrdn's football coach, has been jahled for

a year after downloading thousands 36`year`old Daniel Dawson

from Stalybridge was arrestdd after an investigation in C`nada

uncovered his online activities Detectives say there's no evidence

of contact offences against A Liverpool fan who survived

the Hillsborough disaster h`s told the inquests he watched polhce push

supporters back into the Leppings Lane terrace

as they tried to escape the crush. Ian Devine said officers were just

standing, looking at the crowd, 96 Liverpool fans were fatally

injured in the crush in 1988. Consultants at Wythenshawe was

little say it should have bden automatically chosen as a specialist

centre under plans to reorg`nise care in Manchester. The proposals

suggest that they should de`l with the most burly patients and the

decision about other local hall hospitals should promote in

consultation. But the staff at web ensure think their services have

been overlooked. Whythenshawe Hospital deals

with traumas 24 hours a day. The air ambulance brings

in a critically ill patient. Within minutes she'll be sedn

by a team of surgeons. We have a helicopter pad, which is

just seconds away from the drama department. We have had a ?02

million investment into the emergency department, which helps.

In the burns unit, the team are trying to stabilise a man who has

been badly injured. Consultants here believe

the infrastructure of the hospital is crucial in delivering care,

and feel services have been When you consider the movemdnt of

specialised staff, and we are surrounded by the other specialties

we need to support us, means that unless one is put into a situation

of being surrounded by thosd services also, we have a significant

problem in continuing to deliver. The countdown for the decishon on

the future has begun. The hdalthier together consultation is thd biggest

reorganisation of accident `nd emergency in over 70 years.

Wythenshawe has good motorw`y links tram stop. One of the biggest

concerns in the waiting rool is having to travel further th`n the

local accident and emergencx. It can deliver `` difficult for patients

who have large distances to travel. It should be a specialist hospital.

The consultation ends on thd 30th of September.

As you saw in Elaine's report, the North West Air Ambulancd

Service brings its patients to Wythenshaw because

it is the only hospital between Preston and Staffordshire that has

This allows patients to be transferred quickly to

With us now is Jenny Haskey from the North West Air Ambtlance.

What is it going to mean for your service for the air Ambulance

Service and its patients if Wythenshawe does not become a

specialist hospital? Our prhority is to get the patients to the right

hospital for the treatment `s quickly as possible. Losing

specialist status will mean, as you have said, between Preston `nd

Staffordshire, there will bd nowhere the helicopter, and next `` can land

next to this specialist centre. So, it Salford becomes a specialist for

trauma and you pick up a patient that needs urgent trauma care, what

would happen? We would not be able to land, we would have to l`nd up a

second or the site, and wait for a land ambulance to arrive to transfer

the patient. It is adding on that time which is really crucial and

critical for patients. The `ir ambulance has not been constlted

separately about the propos`ls. If you had been, what would yot

suggest? With the glove, in an ideal world, if the specialist centre to

have a helipad on site next to their emergency department. We re`lise

these things are very expensive but it is really important. You would

not be able to do your job because you would not be able to get the

patient to the specialist cdntre. Yes, anything that adds timd onto

getting a patient to the spdcialist centre is difficult. Will you now be

talking to them to get your point across? Yes, most definitelx.

If I asked you to mention a few place names from the Lake

District you might say Winddrmere, Ambleside ` maybe Hawkshead.

But Carlisle probably wouldn't come readily to mind.

Yet the city has now declardd itself City of the Lakes,

even though it's miles away from the nearest body of water!

Some in the Lake District are far from

this is a district with a lot of lakes. I know many of them `re not

lakes, but the fact is it h`s some beautiful bodies of water,

surrounded by stunning scendry. TARDIS has a cathedral and ` castle,

but it is pretty short on bodies of water. However, it has now named

itself the city of the lakes. This is about raising the profild of

Carlisle, and what better w`y than to highlight its proximity to one of

the world's great attractions? Meanwhile, in the Lake District not

everyone is impressed. It whll not do them any good because yot can

imagine tourists arriving at Carlisle, imagining they will find

themselves in the Lake District but they are 40 miles away. He has a

point. The nearest lake is 40 miles `` 28 miles as the crow flids. It is

29 miles if you drive. If you want to go to Windermere, it is 49 miles.

Carlisle doesn't even come hnto the equation. Now, it is not considered

part of the Lake District. The subject has certainly been buzzing

on Twitter. Carlisle, city of the lakes? You might as well call

Birmingham the city of Hadrhan s Wall. There are others who `re less

bothered if this. Are some people, the appeal of the city offer that

they have an complement what we have in the country. Whatever thd new

strapline, there is only ond Lake District. It is like when Croydon

claimed to be the real Lake District the couple of years ago bec`use it

has more lakes. Cricket now, and Lancashire have

made a good start in their crucial county chalpionship

relegation decider against Liddlesex Lancashire need to win

decisively to stay up. Stuart Pollitt is there and, Stuart,

they've boosted Yes, before this lovely auttmnal

rain came down at Old Trafford, Lancashire had a very good day

indeed. They flew in a Pakistani fast bowler for this, but in the end

they relied on two Lancastrhans Both of those boulders took four

wickets to ball out Middlesdx. That gives Lancashire a really good

chance of avoiding relegation. The nights are drawing in, then the

liked is artificial for the final chapter of the cricket season. If

Lancashire are to spend the winter as a Division 1 side, they lust

catch and overtake opponents Middlesex. It is a huge club with a

huge following, a wonderful cricket ground, so hopefully we shotld hold

our state is. It is going to be difficult, we know that. I think the

players are excited about these days because they could achieve something

special. `` our status. Do the supporters believe they can overcome

longer rods this time to kedp First Division cricket here at Emhrates

Old Trafford? When we held the championship it was great, so

hopefully we'll will see solething similar. Who's going to survive this

weekend? It will be very difficult for Lancashire. I think Lancashire

are going to go down. It will be difficult for them, but nevdr mind.

BBC Radio 4 commentator has seen a lot of them over the season. What

would relegation mean? The players do not want to be in division two.

Bigger and better counties `re in division one. But it still leans a

lot. Lancashire are on top, but avoiding relegation still looks like

mission improbable. Lancashhre need to score at least 350 in thdir first

innings tomorrow and win thd game to stay up. The batsmen have only

managed more than 350 on three occasions this season. But hf the

tough order comes good, thex have a good chance of beating Middlesex if

they can also beat the weather. It is forecast that the forecast will

be coming later on. And by the look of it, not a very good one coming.

given permission to increasd Anfield's capacity by nearlx 14 000

extra seats. It's part of a ?10 hundred million expansion plan,

afternoon. Construction will begin next year for completion

Today is officially the first day of autumn, the leaves are f`lling

off the trees ` and the nights are well and truly drawing in.

And an idyllic quiet corner of Lancashire is about to gdt

The RSPB's Leighton Moss Nature Reserve will play host to the BBC's

Autumnwatch nature programmd next month for the second year rtnning,

and Peter Marshall is there to see how preparations are coming along.

A beautiful view. It seems that Autumnwatch cannot resist this

either. If you have a look through here, you will understand why. 70

acres and all the wildlife that this attract. What more could prove ramp

`` programme producers want? It seems that Autumnwatch is attracted

by Leighton Moss as its manx visitors. It is a place to come to

see a part of nature, reallx. There is a lot of wildlife, it is really

accessible, baby easy, and there it is. It is nice! When you get to my

age it is lovely to sit anywhere! Last medal got this real gel.

Interesting behaviour. The BBC nature programme will return at the

end of October. Drawn by thd variety of wildlife attracted to its

reedbeds. We might have a flock of birds here next week, but when we

returned in May not be here. They have to tailor what they tr`nsmit on

what is here at the time. That is one of the exciting, unpredhctable

elements of Autumnwatch. But it is not just about birds. You are also

likely to spot something larger The publicity generated by Autulnwatch

will benefit not only Leighton Moss. Leighton Moss is an area of

outstanding natural beauty, so having Autumnwatch showcasing the

area will benefit local bushnesses because visitors come to thd area to

see the wildlife, and there is just so much to see here. It is

absolutely fantastic. Last xear s visit soccer visitors incre`sed by

70%. Another airing could provide a similar boost. Autumnwatch starts on

Tuesday, October the 28th, `nd runs until the Friday. It is on BBC Two

at eight o'clock. The producers could not ask for more than this,

but they will be asking for more cake in the canteen because

apparently the crew just loves it! Be looks very at home they `re. ``

Peter looks very at home. across the region reeling! Look at

the size of this ` it's a 90 pound common carp, caught by an alateur

angler from Denton in Greatdr Manchester. Warren Harrison caught

it during a fishing holiday earlier this month. It's believed to be the

largest of its kind in the world. And that's not all he caught `

they get bigger! 91 English pounds. What a fhsh. What

a fish indeed. Back home after a two week fishing holiday, the sdventh of

the year. But it was seventh time lucky. I have chased the big fish in

Europe, and I have been tryhng to catch a fish over ?90, and H have

actually done it. And this was the heaviest. At ?94, this was his catch

of the day. The fish was in charge, and I slowly but surely got an inch,

an inch, and it was 30 minutes later that I put the net under it and it

was massive. I was elated. Unbelievable. Every dream h`d come

true. And then there was thd baby of the bunch. Heavy perhaps, btt the

lightest of them, tipping the scales at a mere 87 pound. As you can see,

he spent decades waiting to make the monster catch, and denied hd has

done it there is no stopping him. I am now under the hundred potnd carp.

I think I will do it, my luck is in. He's rapidly becoming a big fish in

a small pond. What if it had jumped out of his

hands? They are really slippery.

Can anyone spot a bit of a wardrobe clash?

There is no talking before we go on air.

By the time I realised you were winning it, it had taken me ten

minutes to get into it and H did not have ten minutes to get back out of

it! Do leaving. I have some good news

for you. After a very dismal day today, tomorrow is fine and dry

Eventually the afternoon will be the best part of the day. This line of

rain that has moved just about everywhere through the afternoon has

made a dismal end to the dax, and it is not over yet. Some areas look

better now, but we have mord rain to come as we head through the evening

and overnight. They will merge over the top of us, so there is lore

waiting in the wings, and it will move everywhere. For many of us it

will water the garden, but the good news is that is coming in over

night, where it tends not to bother to many of us. The cloud cover run

dream means it is not cool, it is 1213. Might be a NEET here `nd

there, but that does not fedl too bad. When you get up tomorrow, there

will be some showers around. They will move away relatively qtickly,

and you can see that... You will see some spells of sunshine. As we get

into the afternoon, it will be much brighter and it is a real nhce

difference from the morning to the afternoon. When the weather fronts

come through, we get a change in the wind direction. It will be cooler

and fresher, so you will have hours of sunshine, but the best

temperatures we can expect ` 16 degrees. You can feel that. It will

feel fairly cold. Not a bad day Not too bad for the start of autumn.

The cricketers will be pleased if it does not rain. We need good weather

for the next few days. I wotld be interested to see what you board

where tomorrow morning. Will we wear purple tomorrow? Have a

lovely evening. Thanks for watching.