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Suffering a deadly form of cancer, but why was it missed by doctors

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An investigation into the handling of Julia Rogers'

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She says the eventual diagnosis was devastating.

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Yes, it is too much to bear but I don't have a choice.

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You either throw the towel hn and give up or you fight.

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Also tonight, a community in mourning.

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Kingsbridge remembers the teenager who died in thd town

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on Saturday night, as a second man is arrested in

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And the incredible story of the female spitfire pilot dubbed the

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Flying Housewife during the Second World War.

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An inquiry is under way into how the NHS missed repeated opportunities to

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Despite numerous GP and hospital visits,

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over eight months, Julia Rogers from Newton Abbot only learned she

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had advanced pancreatic cancer after paying privately for ` scan.

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Now NHS England is leading `n investigation into what went wrong.

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Here's our Health Correspondent Sally Mountjox.

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Julia Rogers is as trying to stay positive but it's hard. She recently

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discovered she has pancreathc cancer after eight months asking GPs and

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other doctors to help find the cause of her acute back and pain.

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Shameful. 17 visit and to accident and emergency visits, they still did

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not have a diagnosis, I still knew that something was very wrong. I

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felt absolutely awful and I had a lot of pain. And I could not get any

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of the doctors to take me seriously. Particularly, urgency was

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totally lacking. Mrs Rogers says between last October and thhs June,

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she went to GPs at various GP centres 17 times. Attended Torbay

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hospital emergency department twice and had an ultrasound at Totnes

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hospital which was normal btt the pancreas was not an image. She was

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eventually referred for a scan but eventually paid ?600 for a CT scan

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of the private hospital in Bristol. She was diagnosed with advanced

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inoperable pancreatic cancer. Only 4% of people who have this cancer

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survive longer than five ye`rs. Surgery is the only cure but not if

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it is detected too late. Had they done the CT scan back then, I would

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have been able to have a procedure which would have been drasthc

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surgery and it would have ghven me a far better chance than the one I

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have got now. NHS England told us, we are very sorry to hear about Mrs

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Rogers diagnosis and the difficulties she seems to h`ve

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encountered over an extended period. This clearly calls for Thurrock ``

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thorough investigations and any lessons learned would be put into

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practice without delay. Julha Rogers says she will not give into the

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disease. What you do, you ehther throw the towel in or give tp and

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you fight? It is too much to bear but I don't have a choice, H fight.

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She is now in hospital, awahting treatment that will enable her to

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start chemotherapy. Earlier I spoke to Clara Mckay from

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the charity Pancreatic Cancdr UK. I asked her why this partictlar

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cancer was lagging behind when it I think there are a number

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of reasons. Pancreatic cancer has

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a reputation of being a cancer that is difficult to diagnose,

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the symptoms can be nonspechfic the pancreas is situated

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in the body in a position that can So it's sort of fallen behind

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and we don't have any simpld blood tests or screening tools th`t would

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aid earlier detection. But because it has has

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a reputation and because it has had a legacy of neglect in terms

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of spend on research and focus in terms of government policy, and

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health policy, it has liter`lly not progressed in 40 years, where, as

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many other cancers as you'vd said, have really sprinted forward and

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cracked the early detection problem. This case is now being investigated,

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but in the meantime, what would you like to see

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the medical profession doing to address this lack of understanding

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seemingly, lack of understanding when it comes to pancreatic cancer?

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Indeed. Well, Pancreatic Cancer UK has been

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lobbying for some years now around early diagnosis

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and detection and we believd that there are a range of things that can

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be done to address this problem Including raising awareness with

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primary care professionals `s well as secondary care professionals

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about the disease and the sxmptoms. But we also believe that GPs

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in particular could be empowered to better aid them to refer patients

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more quickly who may go on to be Recently,

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the Health Secretary announced an idea of naming and shaming

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doctors who misdiagnosed or missed Indeed, Pancreatic Cancer UK has

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been calling as well for GPs to undertake annual audits

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of their cancer referral cases and this is embodied in the proposals

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that the Health Secretary h`s made. Although we understand that these

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proposals have some controvdrsy in terms of the medical profession,

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we support them, we do belidve that Thank you very much indeed

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for joining us. Tens of millions of pounds `re to be

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spent creating new businessds The Government's new Growth Deal

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money will go on a range of schemes from making Bodmin Cornwall's

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cycling capital, to training the workforce for Somerset's new

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nuclear power station. Over the next two years, Cornwall

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is to get nearly ?50 million. Devon and Somerset are

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to get ?130 million. The number of jobs

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which it's claimed will be created All of this was announced

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by the deputy prime minister in Cornwall today, from where

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our business correspondent Is this government generosity, or

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small beer? Whether or not he knew it, the vast industrial units Nick

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Clegg visited today were crdated by the old original than enemy agency,

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which this government abolished `` the old regional developer `nd

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agency. We put it to him th`t the new economic bodies they have

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created, will not have monex on the scale that will be needed to build

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this kind of facility today. I think they have a lot more freedol, to

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borrow and raise money, so for example the business rate that at

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generated by businesses in Cornwall, because of changes that we have made

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and I have insisted on, half of the and I have insisted on, half of

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rates will be dispatched in Cornwall, rather than back to the

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Treasury. When you look at the local economy that has been back on its

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knees for sale years, more freedom is nowhere near as good as lore

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money. I strongly disagree with you. At the moment, until we makd this

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change, there was no incenthve to create business in Cornwall because

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none of the money generated was kept in Cornwall. Some of the money

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announced in Cornwall today was already promised, did that lean that

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the news today was smoke and mirrors? I asked one of the

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recipients. No, only 10 million was known of 49 million, today. That is

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20%. Yes, but that idea that we would have got it anyway was not

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right, we had to write a pl`n and then compete with the other 38 areas

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for the pool of money and wd have got more than our fair shard. A fair

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share, but of a pot which is certainly not used to be. `` not

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what it used to be. In a moment we will hear from the

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Economist Professor Peter Gripaois with his assessment, but today our

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political editor is with me today. Behind this is the political

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battlefield? Yes, as the government was finalising the details of this

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announcement, Labour was publishing its own grand design and on the face

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of it, there are a lot of similarities. They both talk about

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handing powers down from Westminster and Whitehall, and they both

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commissioned a member of thd house of lords to write a report `bout how

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this could be achieved, Lord Heseltine from the government, and

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Lord Adonais from Labour. L`bour think they can offer ?30 billion of

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funding across the country throughout the next Parliamdnt which

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they say is three times what the government is putting in. And they

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say that they would let loc`l authorities keep total revenue from

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business rates as opposed to just some of it as we had Nick Clegg say

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in that report. There is a big disagreement over the side of local

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authorities? This is a long`standing gulf between the coalition parties

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and labour. In 2010, we had a regional development agency and a

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regional assembly, a super tear from local covenant, which stretched from

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Cornwall to Gloucestershire. The government said this was too big and

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bossy, abolish those and to be left with local authorities and

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enterprise partnerships which focus on smaller areas. The government

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says, Labour think that sizd matters. It is not trying to impose

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the old regional bodies that it is trying to encourage area to combine

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into city or county regions. This needs to be a bottom`up rather than

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a top`down approach. We are not being prescriptive in terms of the

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formation of the new super local authorities or how the enterprise

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partnerships increase in size, everybody at except `` except that

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these are far too small. Thdy do not have the capacity and cloud, they

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are not strategic. The government does not accept that. Less than a

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year away from a general eldction, which of these visions prev`ils is

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up for grabs. To Professor Peter Gripaois who is

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at Plymouth science Park, which is due to benefit from this money. So

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all the parties involved in the announcement today have madd a

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determined fist of saying that this is a real boost for economic growth

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in the region, would you agree with that? Know, if ever there w`s a case

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of smoke and mirrors, this hs it. Most of the money has come from

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existing government departmdnts in fact all of it has come frol the

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transport Department and I think it will be small projects which will

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not have affect on the economy. How will this compare to the money that

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we have been offered here in the past? There was a much biggdr

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allocation in the south`west in total with a regional development

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agencies, next year is an election year, so there will be a big boost

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then and then boost the year after that then the money tails off. It is

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not a major cash injection. Most of it has come from existing government

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budgets. It is just going to be spent differently, or distrhbuted

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differently, this time throtgh local authorities and enterprise

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partnerships. Cornwall has not done relatively well relative to the

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share of the population of Dngland, it has got a small part of the

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budget. Devon, Somerset and Dorset have done better. Would you say

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briefly that we have come off worse compared to other parts of the

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country? Well, I think all governments look after their own

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supporters. It seems that rtle areas have done well, which could have

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someone to do with the fact that they have a big share of

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conservative and liberal voters Thank you for joining us.

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Police say a teenager who dhed in Kingsbridge in South Devon

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suffered a serious wound in the neck possibly caused by a glass bottle.

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A second man has been arrested in the murder investigation

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into the death of 17 year old Alex Peguero Sosa on Sunday.

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All day, they came to remember Alex Peguero Sosa.

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The words of one memento sahd it all, playing for the dream team now.

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Another message read simply, love forever, Mum and Dad.

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It's true, he was a really popular person.

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I think he deserves all these flowers

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I've known him since preschool and we were really close.

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There was one time he came over to my house in primary school,

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we dressed up as fairies in tutus and he jumped out of the cupboard.

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And that will always be my favourite memory of him.

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This afternoon, a specialist police team did a fingertip search

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at the bus stop where Sundax morning's attack happened.

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The police say Alex sustaindd a serious wound to the neck

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which may have been caused by glass, possibly a bottle.

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Alex was studying English, psychology and PE at Kingsbridge

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The flag flew at half`mast in tribute.

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Our message to the students is now is the time for them to comd

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together, to support one another, for us to act as a communitx and get

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Police said a second man, aged 22 from Kingsbridge,

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had been arrested on suspichon of assisting an offender and

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A 42`year`old man has also been arrested.

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Both men are being held at Torquay police station.

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Later in Spotlight, we'll hdar how an endangered species from

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the other side of the world is being helped by a project in Cornwall

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The amazing memoir of a Second World War female Spitfire phlot

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And the cup final beckons for Somerset's visually imp`ired

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Police are investigating an allegation of fraud

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in connection with a fund sdt up after the death of a schoolgirl

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Nicole Hartup died in May after falling from a wall at

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the Phoenix Youth Centre in Exeter, while watching a football m`tch

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An internet fundraising pagd set up in her memory said more

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Jackie actually flew more hours in more planes than anyone dlse

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She ticked them off in a book, often with pithy comments.

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A20 havoc, she said, a nice aircraft, except the bits

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She met her husband in the war and found that flying was a gre`t way to

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keep romance alive, dropping love notes wrapped in chocolate bars

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And it would say, whoever finds this, please dat

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the chocolate, please delivdr the note to Captain Moggridge,

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By the end of the war, Jackie received the

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Afterwards, she continued flying for colmercial

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She was told not to speak over the intercom,

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her first officer had to spdak for her, because the passengers might be

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Fittingly, her ashes were scattered over an airfield from the Spitfire

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An agricultural college in Cornwall is helping to save

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an endangered species from the other side of the world.

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The Seychelles millipede is in decline on the Indian Ocdan

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But Duchy College's Rosewarne campus has succesfully bred hundreds

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and Spotlight's David Georgd has been to see them.

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These are probably not the kind of animals you expect to find

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That's Churchill, the bearded dragon.

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Locusts, beetles and the sotnd of crickets fills the air.

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They are in this tank which isn't brilliant for tdlevision

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It feels like sort of living piece of Velcro going across your hand.

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In their native Seychelles, these guys are on the vulnerable list

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They have problems with rats over there eating them.

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Also traffic and people unfortunately.

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Because there, as soon as they get on the floor, on the ground,

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They have found the numbers have deteriorated over time.

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The first Seychelles millipddes here came

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The breeding success seems to be down to the habitat.

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Chemical free peat, freeze sterilised bark

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People thought they had 1000 legs, but they haven't?

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A few poor souls have had to count them.

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They have around 100 to 250, but they have pairs, so each segment

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And they work in a motion of a Mexican wave.

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That's a lot of legs. It is!

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It's no use students and st`ff in this place being afraid

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I don't mind handling any one of them, to be honest.

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I was less confident at first but now I've got more confident

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I can handle different types of creepy crawlies, as you say!

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Millipedes from Cornwall will now be offered to

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other breeding programmes across the country and perhaps even sent

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There's no shortage of volunteers amongst the staff here to t`ke them!

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I'm I need to follow that up in the Seychelles. I might need code to!

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Even though I don't like crdepy corgis!

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A Cornwall golfer has qualified for this month's Open at Hoxlake

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26 year old Rhys Enoch, who's a life member at Truro Golf

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Club, makes his debut in thd event which starts in ten days' thme.

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Rhys was on course to qualify two years ago, but glandular

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He's attached to the Keltic Manor club in Wales which hosted the

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Contracts have been signed to turn Truro City's football ground

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The deal for Treyew Road has been struck between the Southern League

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club, the current ground owner and developer Helical Retail.

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It claims the park could brhng in ?16 million and create 140 jobs.

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Under the deal the firm must develop a new club

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While Somerset strive for their first ever County

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Championship cricket title this summer, another of their te`ms is

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The Somerset visually impaired team has reached the National Cup Final

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and, as Spotlight's Dave Gibbins reports, their achievement has gone

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These players proudly represent Somerset can to cricket club.

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Affiliated to the full`time professional setup in the ground in

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Taunton, this team do themsdlves justice in another form of the

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sport. There are three playdrs who are completely blind, the rdst have

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various levels of sight. How dangerous can these levels of

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cricket be? To someone like me who has no site, you have got to be

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around of your Soraya `` aw`re of your surroundings, who is around

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you, you have got to be judging about the ball and how far `nd high

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it is, it is a lot of practhce but it is worth it. They had just

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reached the final of the knockout cup, beating last year's National

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league, knockout cup and Twdnty 0 winners, Leicestershire. ``

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Warwickshire. A real feather in the cup as they try to make people aware

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of their club. People say, xou are silly, how can you play cricket

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There are some talented plaxers here. But to get noticed is very

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difficult. We are starting to grow, very slowly. We have come ldaps and

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bounds over the last two ye`rs. Trying to get our names out there,

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recruit more players and get interest in the game. There is an

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international setup for the Blind game. You have one England

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international? We do, and a few more attending training sessions and

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hopefully they will get somd recognition for the World Ctp which

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is in South Africa this year. I haven't a clue where the ball is, I

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can only hear it through thd bells in the ball which underlines how

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challenging this format of cricket is for these players. I still in?

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Yes! Good, I am enjoying thhs! Ie will have another go.

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Best of luck to them. Time to the weather now. Know whether is sitting

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at a Washington today, horrhble out there. `` it has not been wdather.

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We have had sunshine and showers, but not much sunshine, plenty of

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showers. We will try better for tomorrow. The four ahead, ldt's look

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back to June and the statistics sent in by Graham from Penzance. How much

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rainfall we had first of all, because for many of us, it was below

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average. The average is arotnd 0 millimetres, 63 in Penzance. A bit

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shy of what we normally expdct. Onto the sunshine, we have had a big

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difference. For a change, wd have had some summer in the month of

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June. The average 207 hours, just shy of 300 hours of sunshind. We

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have done very well for sunshine. Because we have had that, wd have

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also had higher temperatures. On the left`hand side is the average, on

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the right`hand side is what we have got for this year. Particul`rly the

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daytime temperatures, we have had that good temperature. It mhght be

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worried about the reservoir levels but we had a very wet winter.

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These. This time last year we were 87% fall, we are currently 83%. No

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worries with respect to supplies of water. Let's look forward now to the

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forecast for overnight tonight and tomorrow. We have still got some

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rain around, it will be trotblesome but for the rest of this wedk, it is

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a mainly dry story. We have got pleasant sunny spells developing

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over the next couple of days but the risk of a few showers around, most

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likely they will be tomorrow. From Wednesday, it is a joy storx. The

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cloud will be tricky to quantify. The rain band today is moving away

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from us, a couple of rain sxstems will merge together over thd next 12

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hours and the whole lot will move away into France. Right conditions

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tomorrow, average of high pressure coming in to follow that so it

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should be fine on Wednesday. A lot of sunshine on Wednesday, most of

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the activity will be on the eastern side of the British Isles. @ few

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bits more detail, you can sde how extensive the rain was earlher, it

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is pulling away from Cornwall and the North Devon coast. That will

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continue overnight. Becoming largely dry, the chance of a few showers

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overnight. Most of us dry and a bit misty in places. In the countryside

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we should seek nine or 10 ddgrees. Italy start the day tomorrow. `` a

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chilly start. Tomorrow, we will see showers but equally some sunny

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spells. The focus of the showers will be the middle of the afternoon

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before we see the fading aw`y to give a pleasant end of the day with

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top temperatures in 19 degrdes. The chance of a shower developing in the

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afternoon tomorrow. There is the coastal waters

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forecast. It is promising for the rest of this week. Wednesdax is the

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best day to see the sunshind, warmer through Thursday and Friday.

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Increasingly cloudy through the East.

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Always good to read your colment about your stories in the programme,

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plenty coming into night. H`ven t looked at our Facebook page to see

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what other `` have a look at our Facebook page to see what pdople are

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saying.

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