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PARADE MUSIC | 0:00:02 | 0:00:04 | |
St Patrick - he's the world's most famous Irishman, | 0:00:15 | 0:00:18 | |
but he wasn't even Irish. | 0:00:18 | 0:00:19 | |
-WELSH ACCENT: -Lechyd da, lads! | 0:00:19 | 0:00:21 | |
You may now offer each other a sign of peace. | 0:00:21 | 0:00:24 | |
-Peas? -Peace! -Peace? | 0:00:24 | 0:00:28 | |
Nah, missed it. | 0:00:28 | 0:00:31 | |
He's celebrated for bringing Christianity to Ireland, | 0:00:31 | 0:00:34 | |
but the Irish were already being converted by the time he arrived. | 0:00:34 | 0:00:38 | |
Avast, ye heathens! | 0:00:38 | 0:00:40 | |
Oh! Oh, sorry! | 0:00:42 | 0:00:44 | |
Sorry! | 0:00:46 | 0:00:47 | |
Sorry! | 0:00:47 | 0:00:48 | |
He was a pious man whose terrible crime almost prevented | 0:00:48 | 0:00:52 | |
his mission to Ireland. | 0:00:52 | 0:00:53 | |
Something like this? | 0:00:59 | 0:01:00 | |
That's him! He's the one! | 0:01:00 | 0:01:03 | |
So I want to know how you go from minding sheep on a mountain | 0:01:05 | 0:01:08 | |
to becoming the man that some people think is the saviour | 0:01:08 | 0:01:11 | |
of all of Western civilisation. | 0:01:11 | 0:01:13 | |
Soon we're going to celebrate the feast of St Patrick, | 0:01:27 | 0:01:30 | |
a man most people know nothing about. | 0:01:30 | 0:01:32 | |
People go, "He drove the snakes out of Ireland." | 0:01:32 | 0:01:34 | |
No, he didn't! Those snakes left looking for work! | 0:01:34 | 0:01:37 | |
I'd say there's a cobra on Bondi Beach in a Wexford jersey | 0:01:37 | 0:01:41 | |
who would take your hand off for a packet of Tayto! | 0:01:41 | 0:01:43 | |
LAUGHTER, CHEERING AND APPLAUSE | 0:01:43 | 0:01:45 | |
Snakes are exactly like Irish emigrants to Australia. | 0:01:45 | 0:01:48 | |
They love the sunshine and every so often all their skin peels off! | 0:01:48 | 0:01:52 | |
CROWD LAUGHS | 0:01:52 | 0:01:54 | |
What plant is he associated with? | 0:01:54 | 0:01:57 | |
-Marijuana? I don't know! -Marijuana? THEY LAUGH | 0:01:57 | 0:02:00 | |
He drove all the snakes out of Ireland. | 0:02:00 | 0:02:02 | |
He was a boss. | 0:02:02 | 0:02:04 | |
He always wore green. He was a boss! | 0:02:04 | 0:02:07 | |
He helped, um, the Irish people with England, like, English people. | 0:02:07 | 0:02:11 | |
Fighting against the, um, English for independence. | 0:02:11 | 0:02:16 | |
-He was awesome! -Who was awesome? -Patrick! | 0:02:16 | 0:02:19 | |
I didn't know he was real! | 0:02:19 | 0:02:21 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:02:21 | 0:02:23 | |
Time to separate fact from fiction. The real historical Patrick | 0:02:23 | 0:02:25 | |
is more interesting than the man of myth, but what do we actually...? | 0:02:25 | 0:02:29 | |
MEN YELL | 0:02:29 | 0:02:30 | |
We know Patrick was about 16 when at the beginning of the 5th century, | 0:02:30 | 0:02:35 | |
he was kidnapped by Irish slave traders | 0:02:35 | 0:02:37 | |
from his hometown of Bannavem Taburniae. | 0:02:37 | 0:02:40 | |
His father was a Roman civil servant. | 0:02:40 | 0:02:43 | |
His grandfather was a priest. | 0:02:43 | 0:02:44 | |
PHONE RINGS | 0:02:44 | 0:02:46 | |
But Patrick wasn't religious at this point. | 0:02:46 | 0:02:48 | |
He, in fact, was... | 0:02:48 | 0:02:50 | |
He was taken aboard a craft probably with many other Irish slaves | 0:02:52 | 0:02:56 | |
and shipped off to Ireland where he spent the next six years at least. | 0:02:56 | 0:02:59 | |
Uh, can we go back that way? | 0:02:59 | 0:03:01 | |
Seriously. No, no, seriously, like. | 0:03:01 | 0:03:04 | |
I'm not actually St Patrick, you know that? | 0:03:04 | 0:03:06 | |
'Patrick wasn't holy as a boy.' | 0:03:06 | 0:03:08 | |
I'd say he did exactly what we all did. | 0:03:08 | 0:03:10 | |
You said you went to church and then walked around town for an hour, | 0:03:10 | 0:03:13 | |
got home and played "Who Said Mass Russian Roulette" with your ma! | 0:03:13 | 0:03:17 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:03:17 | 0:03:19 | |
Do you remember that? "Who said mass?" | 0:03:19 | 0:03:22 | |
"Uhhh...Father... | 0:03:22 | 0:03:25 | |
"Dougal McGuire?" | 0:03:25 | 0:03:27 | |
CROWD LAUGHS | 0:03:27 | 0:03:28 | |
"You're wrong!" I'd like to be an Irish teenage Catholic now! | 0:03:28 | 0:03:31 | |
"Who said mass?" "The parish priest." | 0:03:31 | 0:03:33 | |
"How do you know?" "He's the only one left!" | 0:03:33 | 0:03:36 | |
A lot of people have an image of St Patrick. | 0:03:41 | 0:03:43 | |
How close to the real historical figure is this image? | 0:03:43 | 0:03:46 | |
It's close to the real Patrick, | 0:03:46 | 0:03:48 | |
the sense that Patrick was a slave in Ireland. | 0:03:48 | 0:03:50 | |
He came back to Ireland to convert people, but a huge amount of it | 0:03:50 | 0:03:54 | |
is based on a sort of legendary take on Patrick, | 0:03:54 | 0:03:57 | |
which was created for reasons of propaganda in about the 7th century. | 0:03:57 | 0:04:01 | |
We're lucky that the real Patrick left writings behind him, | 0:04:01 | 0:04:04 | |
which tell us about his interior life, about his spirituality. | 0:04:04 | 0:04:08 | |
And we can contrast it with the way he is portrayed | 0:04:08 | 0:04:11 | |
in the later biographies by Muirchu and Tireachan. | 0:04:11 | 0:04:13 | |
So the oldest of these writings that still exist | 0:04:13 | 0:04:17 | |
are here in Trinity College? | 0:04:17 | 0:04:18 | |
Yes, we've got the earliest copy of Patrick's Confessio. | 0:04:18 | 0:04:22 | |
It's in the Book of Armagh which is a 9th century manuscript here. | 0:04:22 | 0:04:25 | |
That copy of the Confessio is one which is edited down | 0:04:25 | 0:04:28 | |
and removes some of the more controversial sequences | 0:04:28 | 0:04:31 | |
of Patrick's own writings. | 0:04:31 | 0:04:34 | |
The real Patrick is somebody who feels he's flawed, | 0:04:34 | 0:04:37 | |
who admits to a sin in his youth. | 0:04:37 | 0:04:38 | |
-St Patrick committed a great crime when he was 15 or 16. Right? -Ah, no! | 0:04:38 | 0:04:44 | |
What do you think the crime was? | 0:04:44 | 0:04:45 | |
He burnt something on a hill or something? | 0:04:45 | 0:04:48 | |
-Murder? -Do you think? | 0:04:48 | 0:04:49 | |
Two-timing! | 0:04:49 | 0:04:51 | |
Two-timing his girlfriend! | 0:04:51 | 0:04:52 | |
-SHE CHUCKLES -Hanky-panky! | 0:04:52 | 0:04:55 | |
Only Ireland would have a patron saint | 0:04:55 | 0:04:58 | |
who committed a great crime as a teenager | 0:04:58 | 0:05:00 | |
and still have the main juvenile detention centre in the State | 0:05:00 | 0:05:05 | |
called St Patrick's Institution for Young Offenders! | 0:05:05 | 0:05:09 | |
CROWD LAUGHS AND APPLAUDS Brilliant! | 0:05:09 | 0:05:12 | |
The real Patrick is somebody who is quite angst-ridden. | 0:05:12 | 0:05:15 | |
He worries constantly about his calling in Ireland. | 0:05:15 | 0:05:19 | |
And he is somebody who freely admits that he has many flaws. | 0:05:19 | 0:05:22 | |
On the other hand, the Patrick of legend | 0:05:22 | 0:05:25 | |
is essentially like a superhero out of comics or a manga. | 0:05:25 | 0:05:29 | |
So much stuff is made up about St Patrick | 0:05:29 | 0:05:31 | |
that we're going to have a bit of fun now, OK? | 0:05:31 | 0:05:34 | |
Your name is Gene, right? I want you to tell me if this is true or false | 0:05:34 | 0:05:38 | |
according to the Book of Armagh. | 0:05:38 | 0:05:40 | |
His fingers, St Patrick's fingers, glowed in the dark? | 0:05:40 | 0:05:43 | |
-True or false? -False. | 0:05:43 | 0:05:45 | |
False? No, it's true! They actually lost the horses | 0:05:45 | 0:05:48 | |
one day in the dark, they couldn't find them | 0:05:48 | 0:05:50 | |
so he put up his hand and light emanated from his fingers | 0:05:50 | 0:05:53 | |
like some sort of Catholic bishop ET! | 0:05:53 | 0:05:55 | |
CROWD LAUGHS | 0:05:55 | 0:05:57 | |
ET IMPRESSION: St Patrick, phone Rome! | 0:05:57 | 0:06:01 | |
CROWD LAUGHS | 0:06:01 | 0:06:04 | |
In a time of great peril, his staff lit up | 0:06:04 | 0:06:07 | |
so he could lead his followers away from danger. True or false? | 0:06:07 | 0:06:11 | |
True. | 0:06:11 | 0:06:12 | |
It's false! | 0:06:12 | 0:06:13 | |
That was Gandalf. | 0:06:13 | 0:06:15 | |
CROWD LAUGHS | 0:06:15 | 0:06:17 | |
When Patrick was a boy, he was bitten by a radioactive spider... | 0:06:17 | 0:06:20 | |
CROWD LAUGHS | 0:06:20 | 0:06:22 | |
..which gave him all the powers of a spider. True or false? | 0:06:24 | 0:06:28 | |
-I think it's false. -False! That was St Brigid! | 0:06:28 | 0:06:32 | |
CROWD LAUGHS | 0:06:32 | 0:06:33 | |
For somebody like Muirchu, | 0:06:33 | 0:06:35 | |
a saint was somebody who would be perfect, | 0:06:35 | 0:06:37 | |
who would have lots of miraculous power from God. | 0:06:37 | 0:06:40 | |
When he reads Patrick's writings, what he finds is somebody | 0:06:40 | 0:06:43 | |
who has self-doubt. There aren't miracles in Patrick's writings. | 0:06:43 | 0:06:47 | |
For a 7th century writer who wants to say, | 0:06:47 | 0:06:50 | |
"Here's Patrick, the apostle of the Irish," | 0:06:50 | 0:06:52 | |
he doesn't want the real figure. | 0:06:52 | 0:06:54 | |
He wants somebody who will be malleable and fit their propaganda. | 0:06:54 | 0:06:58 | |
Guys! Can we focus here? Can we just focus for a second? | 0:06:59 | 0:07:03 | |
All I'm hearing is, "Brigid this," it's "Colmcille that." | 0:07:03 | 0:07:07 | |
OK. We need a bigger market share. | 0:07:07 | 0:07:10 | |
Patrick needs to have "banished" something. OK? | 0:07:10 | 0:07:15 | |
Monkeys? | 0:07:15 | 0:07:16 | |
What has a monkey ever done to anybody? Look..! | 0:07:16 | 0:07:20 | |
-It has to be something dangerous. -Brother Michael? | 0:07:20 | 0:07:23 | |
Brother Michael isn't dangerous! | 0:07:23 | 0:07:25 | |
You don't have to share a dorm with him. | 0:07:25 | 0:07:27 | |
OK, OK, look. | 0:07:28 | 0:07:30 | |
Guys, it has to be something truly terrifying | 0:07:30 | 0:07:32 | |
that strikes fear into the hearts of men, eh? | 0:07:32 | 0:07:35 | |
-I've got it! -So do I! | 0:07:36 | 0:07:38 | |
-Snakes! -Women! | 0:07:38 | 0:07:41 | |
'Various churches were vying with each other.' | 0:07:41 | 0:07:44 | |
In particular, Armagh and Kildare were two major rivals | 0:07:44 | 0:07:47 | |
with their saints Patrick and Brigid. | 0:07:47 | 0:07:49 | |
They're not simply writing about the saint as a saint, | 0:07:49 | 0:07:52 | |
they're also using the saint as a vehicle to make claims | 0:07:52 | 0:07:55 | |
about their own overlordship. | 0:07:55 | 0:07:57 | |
Patrick is associated with Armagh, even though he doesn't mention Armagh once in any of his writings. | 0:07:57 | 0:08:02 | |
What happened was later monks associated him, a famous person, | 0:08:02 | 0:08:05 | |
with their place, to enhance the reputation of the place. | 0:08:05 | 0:08:07 | |
I was appalled by this, until I remembered I was from County Offaly, | 0:08:07 | 0:08:11 | |
home of Barack Obama, President of the United States of America! | 0:08:11 | 0:08:15 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:08:15 | 0:08:17 | |
I'd like to get Patrick and Muirchu in a room together | 0:08:17 | 0:08:20 | |
to see what Patrick would say to Muirchu, going, "Where the hell did that come from?" | 0:08:20 | 0:08:24 | |
And Muirchu going, "I kind of had to beef up the brand, to be honest with you." | 0:08:24 | 0:08:27 | |
Ignore your many gods. | 0:08:27 | 0:08:29 | |
There are a number of theories about where Patrick's hometown of Bannaven Taburnie was. | 0:08:29 | 0:08:34 | |
Some suggest that it was in Roman Britain, the area now known as Wales. | 0:08:34 | 0:08:38 | |
(WELSH ACCENT) Peace be with you. | 0:08:38 | 0:08:40 | |
-There's also a theory he was French. -(FRENCH ACCENT) Peace be with you. | 0:08:40 | 0:08:44 | |
Others suggest he was Scottish. | 0:08:44 | 0:08:46 | |
But which theory is correct? | 0:08:48 | 0:08:50 | |
-So where was Patrick from? -He was from somewhere in Western Britain. | 0:08:50 | 0:08:54 | |
I suppose, in modern terms, we would say Wales. | 0:08:54 | 0:08:57 | |
CHORAL SINGING | 0:08:57 | 0:09:01 | |
Many of us have an image in our heads of what Patrick looked like. | 0:09:01 | 0:09:04 | |
But surely the real Patrick wasn't green Santa? Or in the Dubliners. | 0:09:04 | 0:09:09 | |
So Billy, you're telling me that this is what St Patrick would have looked like? | 0:09:09 | 0:09:13 | |
Well, Patrick the slave anyway, yeah. | 0:09:13 | 0:09:15 | |
So, no sort of big green bishop's garb, crozier, mitre? | 0:09:15 | 0:09:18 | |
No, that's all later medieval bishops. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:21 | |
This is much more practical and down-to-earth, what a slave | 0:09:21 | 0:09:24 | |
might have been wearing on the mountainside. | 0:09:24 | 0:09:26 | |
Modelling the slave chic circa the fifth century. | 0:09:26 | 0:09:29 | |
Is there any nice way of sitting down in this | 0:09:29 | 0:09:31 | |
-without flashing yourself to all in sundry? -Knees together. | 0:09:31 | 0:09:34 | |
Knees together like a Jane Austen novel, like that! Right. | 0:09:34 | 0:09:36 | |
Can I ask you why we're in Mayo? | 0:09:36 | 0:09:39 | |
Everything I learned in school, in the tradition, says we should be on a hill called Slemish in Antrim. | 0:09:39 | 0:09:44 | |
Patrick only mentions one place name in all of the Confessio - | 0:09:44 | 0:09:47 | |
the woods at Voclut, which is near the western ocean. | 0:09:47 | 0:09:51 | |
That has been identified as most likely being a place in County Mayo. | 0:09:51 | 0:09:55 | |
And what sort of country is Ireland at this point? | 0:09:55 | 0:09:58 | |
-What sort of land is it? -It would have been rural. | 0:09:58 | 0:10:02 | |
There would have been no cities. It would have been quite fragmented. | 0:10:02 | 0:10:05 | |
Lots of smaller kingdoms, lots of political intrigue and war, | 0:10:05 | 0:10:09 | |
quite a hostile place to be by modern standards. | 0:10:09 | 0:10:11 | |
And would they all be wearing this - this beautiful garb? | 0:10:11 | 0:10:14 | |
HE LAUGHS | 0:10:14 | 0:10:15 | |
I don't know why you're laughing, I'm freezing my nuts off here! | 0:10:15 | 0:10:18 | |
I can see why Patrick would go for celibacy cos you can't use them in this weather! | 0:10:18 | 0:10:22 | |
HE LAUGHS Do we have any evidence | 0:10:22 | 0:10:25 | |
of what pagan rituals were like, or pagan life was like at this point? | 0:10:25 | 0:10:29 | |
We have the names of some of their gods and goddesses, | 0:10:29 | 0:10:32 | |
we think, from later mythological tradition. | 0:10:32 | 0:10:34 | |
And we have bits and pieces of their rituals. | 0:10:34 | 0:10:37 | |
We do have one account from the 10th century. | 0:10:37 | 0:10:39 | |
And it talks about how poets used to look for 'imbas forosnai', | 0:10:39 | 0:10:43 | |
which is wisdom of elimination, | 0:10:43 | 0:10:46 | |
or that they would look for poetic inspiration. | 0:10:46 | 0:10:48 | |
The way they used to do it was, they would get a piece of meat, | 0:10:48 | 0:10:53 | |
and it would be the meat of a dog or a cat, or a pig. | 0:10:53 | 0:10:57 | |
-They're not very fussy, are they?! -They're not! | 0:10:57 | 0:11:00 | |
Do we know what that is? In Ireland, you don't really need to know any more, in fairness, do you? | 0:11:00 | 0:11:04 | |
That could be anything at all. That could be Shergar! OK. | 0:11:04 | 0:11:07 | |
-Eww! Eat the raw meat? -Yeah. -Chew it? -Chew it. | 0:11:09 | 0:11:12 | |
-Mmmm, it's lovely. -And then take it out and offer it to your pagan gods. | 0:11:12 | 0:11:16 | |
So whoever... Bjork and Lunasa and Sinead O'Connor, | 0:11:16 | 0:11:21 | |
and all the pagan gods. I'll put it down here. | 0:11:21 | 0:11:24 | |
-You have to wait for the gods to inspire you. -OK. Right. | 0:11:24 | 0:11:27 | |
Into darkness. | 0:11:27 | 0:11:30 | |
Cool! I've just seen when you die, Billy. | 0:11:30 | 0:11:33 | |
HE LAUGHS | 0:11:33 | 0:11:36 | |
Are you doing anything next week? Because... | 0:11:36 | 0:11:39 | |
-Are you doing anything next week? -Yeah, I have a few things lined up. -No, you're not actually! | 0:11:39 | 0:11:43 | |
Sorry about that! | 0:11:43 | 0:11:45 | |
Do they have any other traditions we know about? | 0:11:45 | 0:11:47 | |
There's a few different rituals described. | 0:11:47 | 0:11:49 | |
There was one guy who visited Ireland in the 12th century. | 0:11:49 | 0:11:52 | |
He was named Giraldus Cambrensis, or Gerald of Wales. | 0:11:52 | 0:11:55 | |
And he talks about how kings used to be inaugurated. | 0:11:55 | 0:11:59 | |
He speaks of one group of kings, who I think come from Donegal, | 0:11:59 | 0:12:03 | |
and as part of the initiation ceremony, | 0:12:03 | 0:12:06 | |
the would-be king would, em... | 0:12:06 | 0:12:10 | |
How do I put this delicately? | 0:12:10 | 0:12:12 | |
He would embrace a white mare as part of the ritual. | 0:12:12 | 0:12:16 | |
You mean embrace as in...? | 0:12:16 | 0:12:19 | |
-Yeah. In the biblical sense. -As in second bar, five bar gate. | 0:12:19 | 0:12:24 | |
-As in - that sort of... You're making that up. -No. | 0:12:24 | 0:12:27 | |
-Is this true? -Well... -I'm not doing this, by the way! | 0:12:27 | 0:12:30 | |
I've eaten that thing, but if somebody leads a white mare | 0:12:30 | 0:12:33 | |
around the corner, I am not publicly copulating with a white mare! | 0:12:33 | 0:12:37 | |
ROMANTIC MUSIC PLAYS | 0:12:37 | 0:12:40 | |
There's no way you can go straight to him. You'd have to build up to it, surely? | 0:12:51 | 0:12:54 | |
Probably a goat before that. And then an Alsatian fluffer | 0:12:54 | 0:12:59 | |
just before you get to the goat! | 0:12:59 | 0:13:02 | |
HE LAUGHS | 0:13:02 | 0:13:05 | |
Is there anything written about that? | 0:13:05 | 0:13:07 | |
Funnily enough, Alsatian fluffers are not mentioned in early Ireland! | 0:13:07 | 0:13:12 | |
I'd imagine that was in the Book of Kells - that was probably taken out! | 0:13:12 | 0:13:16 | |
When Patrick arrived in pagan Ireland, druids had immense power. | 0:13:31 | 0:13:35 | |
And there are still a few hanging around. | 0:13:37 | 0:13:40 | |
The druid was a very powerful person who had three functions - | 0:13:40 | 0:13:44 | |
the bard, the storyteller, the history keeper, | 0:13:44 | 0:13:46 | |
the harp player, for example. | 0:13:46 | 0:13:48 | |
The bard had the power to bring down the king through satires | 0:13:48 | 0:13:52 | |
if the king was abusing his powers, for example. | 0:13:52 | 0:13:55 | |
IRISH LANGUAGE PRAYER | 0:13:55 | 0:13:59 | |
You had the role of the healer, | 0:13:59 | 0:14:02 | |
the diviner, the seer, the shaman. | 0:14:02 | 0:14:04 | |
And then you had the ollamh, the brehon. | 0:14:04 | 0:14:06 | |
I invoke the goddess Brigid as the maiden of springtime. | 0:14:06 | 0:14:11 | |
I call on your inspiration. | 0:14:11 | 0:14:15 | |
-Tar agus failte. -(Tar agaus failte) | 0:14:15 | 0:14:19 | |
Druids had authority right through the country, unlike kings. | 0:14:19 | 0:14:21 | |
Kings, their power was very much regional. | 0:14:21 | 0:14:24 | |
Nobody could harm a druid. | 0:14:24 | 0:14:27 | |
So they were there to negotiate when two kings were battling. | 0:14:27 | 0:14:31 | |
They would negotiate with each other. | 0:14:31 | 0:14:33 | |
Later writings portray Patrick as some kind of druid slayer. | 0:14:33 | 0:14:36 | |
He goes up against them, and he does battle with them. | 0:14:36 | 0:14:39 | |
As a modern day druid, how does that make you feel about him? | 0:14:39 | 0:14:42 | |
Well, I don't think he was. I mean, I read Patrick's writings - | 0:14:42 | 0:14:45 | |
his Confessio and his Epistula and he comes across | 0:14:45 | 0:14:48 | |
as a very, very humble kind of man. Very insecure. | 0:14:48 | 0:14:51 | |
These stories you hear, that he had druidic powers himself, | 0:14:51 | 0:14:55 | |
and he could match the druids with his own druidic power, | 0:14:55 | 0:14:57 | |
from his writings I don't get a sense that that was what he was like at all. | 0:14:57 | 0:15:01 | |
So, I don't actually have, | 0:15:01 | 0:15:03 | |
I suppose, a negative attitude to Patrick from those stories. | 0:15:03 | 0:15:07 | |
But I think many pagans might have because of the legacy. | 0:15:07 | 0:15:10 | |
DRUMMING | 0:15:10 | 0:15:13 | |
What does the ceremony today involve? What is today, first of all? | 0:15:13 | 0:15:16 | |
We're celebrating Imbolc, which is honouring the goddess Brigid. | 0:15:16 | 0:15:21 | |
It's interesting this is a documentary about Patrick. | 0:15:21 | 0:15:23 | |
When he came to Ireland | 0:15:23 | 0:15:26 | |
people would have been honouring the goddess Brigid. | 0:15:26 | 0:15:30 | |
She is the triple goddess. | 0:15:30 | 0:15:32 | |
She represents the maiden, the mother and the crone. | 0:15:32 | 0:15:36 | |
May this water bring you courage. | 0:15:36 | 0:15:39 | |
And it's interesting because Patrick's emblem, | 0:15:41 | 0:15:43 | |
the story is he had the shamrock to explain the trinity. | 0:15:43 | 0:15:46 | |
That would have been very easy for people to understand because | 0:15:46 | 0:15:49 | |
the notion of the triple deity was already here. | 0:15:49 | 0:15:51 | |
Behold the light that I have nurtured. | 0:15:51 | 0:15:55 | |
The sun is now returning. | 0:15:55 | 0:15:58 | |
-So is that Brigid the same as St Brigid? -I think so. | 0:15:58 | 0:16:01 | |
Brigid was very important in Ireland at the time. | 0:16:01 | 0:16:04 | |
And she couldn't have been gotten rid of. | 0:16:04 | 0:16:07 | |
But remember, Christianity - when Patrick came, it was a very gradual process. | 0:16:07 | 0:16:11 | |
He didn't come in and just Christianise the whole country. | 0:16:11 | 0:16:14 | |
It wasn't until about the 16th century that paganism was seen | 0:16:14 | 0:16:17 | |
as bad and that Christianity was seen as good. | 0:16:17 | 0:16:20 | |
So that polarity came into play. But up to then, you could hold both. | 0:16:20 | 0:16:24 | |
IRISH LANGUAGE PRAYER | 0:16:24 | 0:16:28 | |
Somebody like Patrick, as a slave, probably would've been eating very basic foods, | 0:16:36 | 0:16:40 | |
maybe drinking whey and curds and porridge, that kind of thing. | 0:16:40 | 0:16:45 | |
He's Little Miss Moffat at this point! | 0:16:45 | 0:16:47 | |
Where was he kept? Was he chained up? Was he with other people? Was he on his own? | 0:16:47 | 0:16:50 | |
Well, he's working as a herdsman. | 0:16:50 | 0:16:53 | |
In the summertime herds would have been brought away from the farm | 0:16:53 | 0:16:56 | |
and brought to upland pastures, pretty isolated. | 0:16:56 | 0:16:59 | |
Imagine how bored he was! | 0:16:59 | 0:17:02 | |
INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC | 0:17:02 | 0:17:08 | |
SHEEP BLEATS | 0:17:10 | 0:17:13 | |
Times like July they wouldn't have had meat because the slaughtering wasn't happening until the autumn. | 0:17:16 | 0:17:21 | |
What they used to do was they would use a small blade | 0:17:21 | 0:17:24 | |
and they would open the veins of a cow. | 0:17:24 | 0:17:27 | |
And they would draw some of the blood and then they would boil this. | 0:17:27 | 0:17:31 | |
-I have some. -Why do you always have this stuff?! | 0:17:31 | 0:17:35 | |
-So, we have some cattle blood here. -Ah, no way! | 0:17:35 | 0:17:39 | |
-Yeah, we'll make it into a cake. -Can we spice this up a bit? | 0:17:39 | 0:17:42 | |
I don't have an awful lot of blood spice at the moment. | 0:17:42 | 0:17:45 | |
-How long does that take to make? -We just need to congeal it, essentially. | 0:17:45 | 0:17:48 | |
It's still in liquid form. And to drink it like that, | 0:17:48 | 0:17:51 | |
-you know, we're not savages here. -You'd be mad to drink it like that! -That would be ridiculous! | 0:17:51 | 0:17:55 | |
They used to call July hungry July | 0:17:55 | 0:17:58 | |
because you would have been coming to the end of your stores from last autumn. | 0:17:58 | 0:18:01 | |
Mmmm! Mmmm! | 0:18:03 | 0:18:06 | |
That's disgusting! | 0:18:06 | 0:18:08 | |
I think I'd rather eat the spoon! | 0:18:10 | 0:18:13 | |
It was slavery, pure and simple. He was dragged away from his home, | 0:18:13 | 0:18:16 | |
his family, sent to rural Ireland, had to learn Irish to survive. | 0:18:16 | 0:18:19 | |
What else would you call it? It was like the Gaeltacht! | 0:18:19 | 0:18:22 | |
LAUGHTER You didn't have to herd livestock. | 0:18:22 | 0:18:24 | |
Have you ever been at a teenage ceili in Connemara? | 0:18:24 | 0:18:28 | |
Not only did I need a collie dog - | 0:18:28 | 0:18:30 | |
some of those women should have been dipped! | 0:18:30 | 0:18:33 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:18:33 | 0:18:37 | |
I danced with a girl from Laois, I got liver fluke! | 0:18:37 | 0:18:40 | |
On the mountain is where he discovered God. | 0:18:40 | 0:18:43 | |
He prayed up to 100 times a day and 100 times a night. | 0:18:43 | 0:18:45 | |
Normal obvious prayers like, "Dear God, can you fix it for me | 0:18:45 | 0:18:51 | |
"to get off this mountain? I'm cold, I'm hungry. | 0:18:51 | 0:18:53 | |
"I do sleep quite well - that's mainly cos I've got lots of stuff to count! | 0:18:53 | 0:18:57 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:18:57 | 0:18:59 | |
"But I'm very lonely. Yesterday I trapped a badger | 0:18:59 | 0:19:02 | |
"and pretended it was a tiny nun just so I had someone to talk to! | 0:19:02 | 0:19:05 | |
"I call her Mother TB-sa." | 0:19:05 | 0:19:09 | |
We don't actually know how he escaped from the original slave owner at all? | 0:19:09 | 0:19:12 | |
-No. We don't. We don't. -Maybe he had a poster of Rita Hayworth, | 0:19:12 | 0:19:16 | |
and they only copped he was gone when they threw a stone and there was a big hole in her head. Is that true? | 0:19:16 | 0:19:21 | |
-I doubt it. -Is it true that he tried to get a motorbike | 0:19:21 | 0:19:24 | |
and jump over barbed wire into Switzerland? That's not true either! | 0:19:24 | 0:19:28 | |
OK. It might not have been in the Book of Armagh | 0:19:28 | 0:19:30 | |
but I'm pretty sure it's one of these books, that himself, Pele | 0:19:30 | 0:19:33 | |
and Bobby Moore organised a football match against a German | 0:19:33 | 0:19:37 | |
national football team in Paris, to escape. | 0:19:37 | 0:19:41 | |
-I'm pretty sure he was an exceptional centre forward. Is that true? -Yes. | 0:19:41 | 0:19:45 | |
That's true, is it?! | 0:19:45 | 0:19:48 | |
One day, on the mountain, he hears a voice. | 0:19:48 | 0:19:50 | |
And the voice says, "Soon you will go to your own country. | 0:19:50 | 0:19:53 | |
"Your ship is ready." You might call that a miracle. | 0:19:53 | 0:19:55 | |
I would call that a passenger announcement! | 0:19:55 | 0:19:57 | |
Basically he just heard, "Ladies and gentlemen, | 0:19:57 | 0:19:59 | |
"would passenger Patrick, passenger Patrick.. | 0:19:59 | 0:20:02 | |
"First name... Saint... | 0:20:02 | 0:20:04 | |
"Please go to the boarding gate now. | 0:20:05 | 0:20:08 | |
"Aer Lingus would like to remind all our passengers not to use our logo | 0:20:08 | 0:20:11 | |
"to demonstrate God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit." | 0:20:11 | 0:20:15 | |
He talks about this arduous journey that he had of 200 miles | 0:20:16 | 0:20:20 | |
until he got a ship. | 0:20:20 | 0:20:22 | |
There would have been brigands, so they would have been hostile people, | 0:20:22 | 0:20:25 | |
maybe out to rob him or capture him into slavery again, who knows? | 0:20:25 | 0:20:28 | |
What happens when he gets to the ship? | 0:20:28 | 0:20:30 | |
He asks these sailors to bring him over the sea | 0:20:30 | 0:20:34 | |
and initially they refuse, they tell him they don't want to bring him, | 0:20:34 | 0:20:37 | |
but he goes back to his hut and he prays, | 0:20:37 | 0:20:40 | |
and then he goes back to them and eventually they relent | 0:20:40 | 0:20:43 | |
and then the leader of this group, | 0:20:43 | 0:20:46 | |
he, bizarrely enough, | 0:20:46 | 0:20:48 | |
Patrick mentioned that he offers St Patrick his nipples | 0:20:48 | 0:20:52 | |
-for St Patrick to suck. -What?! | 0:20:52 | 0:20:54 | |
Yeah. As a sign of submission. | 0:20:54 | 0:20:58 | |
That's how we made friends in this country in those days. | 0:20:58 | 0:21:00 | |
The Romans were probably cutting each other open, | 0:21:00 | 0:21:02 | |
going, "We will mix our blood to be brothers forever." | 0:21:02 | 0:21:05 | |
We were all going, "Seamus, take off your top. | 0:21:05 | 0:21:07 | |
"Come on, and the bra as well, let the dog see the rabbit." | 0:21:07 | 0:21:10 | |
I'll never be that close to a man. | 0:21:10 | 0:21:12 | |
I've hugged my brothers three times my entire adult life, and | 0:21:12 | 0:21:15 | |
all of those times have involved Ray Houghton putting a ball into a net. | 0:21:15 | 0:21:19 | |
There is actually quite a lapse of time | 0:21:20 | 0:21:22 | |
between the time when he escaped and when he came back to Ireland. | 0:21:22 | 0:21:25 | |
I always had the impression that he stayed 10, maybe 15, | 0:21:25 | 0:21:28 | |
maybe more years before he came back to Ireland. | 0:21:28 | 0:21:31 | |
My own pet idea is that Patrick was in fact an only child | 0:21:31 | 0:21:34 | |
and that he simply had to wait until his parents popped off, | 0:21:34 | 0:21:37 | |
and therefore he was the sole inheritor, | 0:21:37 | 0:21:39 | |
and when he talks, therefore, about spending money on people, | 0:21:39 | 0:21:42 | |
he says to the Irish, "I've spent the wealth of 15 men" | 0:21:42 | 0:21:45 | |
or something like that, "to help you guys and your Christianity." | 0:21:45 | 0:21:49 | |
You've given me an image of St Patrick popping in to his dad, going, | 0:21:49 | 0:21:52 | |
-"How you feeling? How's Ma? She's bearing up well." -Yeah. | 0:21:52 | 0:21:56 | |
He seems to have hung in there. When the two of them have moved on, | 0:21:56 | 0:22:00 | |
presumably by natural causes, he's the sole heir. | 0:22:00 | 0:22:03 | |
I don't think we can go too far here! | 0:22:03 | 0:22:05 | |
What possesses Patrick to return to Ireland, where he has been abused, | 0:22:05 | 0:22:08 | |
mistreated and kept as a slave for six years? | 0:22:08 | 0:22:11 | |
He was mad! | 0:22:11 | 0:22:12 | |
Anybody looking at it now would think he was out of his head. | 0:22:12 | 0:22:15 | |
Maybe he thought he was out of his head. | 0:22:15 | 0:22:17 | |
He couldn't say no, because he had this message. | 0:22:17 | 0:22:19 | |
The "voice of the Irish", as he called it himself, | 0:22:19 | 0:22:22 | |
imploring him to come back. | 0:22:22 | 0:22:23 | |
Patrick escapes and ends up in Britain. | 0:22:23 | 0:22:26 | |
After a few years, he hears the voice of the Irish | 0:22:26 | 0:22:29 | |
calling him back in a vision. | 0:22:29 | 0:22:30 | |
The voice calling him back, back... | 0:22:30 | 0:22:33 | |
(FUNNY ACCENT) "C'mere t'me! | 0:22:35 | 0:22:37 | |
"C'mon back to Ireland! C'mon! | 0:22:38 | 0:22:42 | |
"You don't have to come for that long, | 0:22:42 | 0:22:44 | |
"maybe a short city break or sum'n like that. | 0:22:44 | 0:22:46 | |
"Maybe stay in a B&B or sum'n, all the boys in the gang miss you. | 0:22:46 | 0:22:50 | |
"Say hello, boys." "Baaa!" "C'mon!" | 0:22:50 | 0:22:52 | |
"I'm sick of the druids. The clergy have too much power in this country. | 0:22:54 | 0:22:58 | |
"You should spread Christianity | 0:22:58 | 0:22:59 | |
"and that will put an end to that sort of thing! | 0:22:59 | 0:23:03 | |
"C'mon back to Ireland in its hour of need!" | 0:23:03 | 0:23:07 | |
"Further details are available on www.thegathering.com." | 0:23:07 | 0:23:13 | |
The alternative tradition of Patrick | 0:23:16 | 0:23:17 | |
which has him spending between 10 and 40 years on the Continent | 0:23:17 | 0:23:21 | |
being educated in Gaul and in Italy. | 0:23:21 | 0:23:24 | |
The place in Gaul that's mentioned is Auxerre. | 0:23:24 | 0:23:27 | |
The bishop of Auxerre is a fella called Germanus. | 0:23:27 | 0:23:29 | |
We know a lot about Germanus and Auxerre. | 0:23:29 | 0:23:33 | |
You could take it that type of thing is plausible but not true | 0:23:33 | 0:23:37 | |
because Patrick never mentions that in his writings. | 0:23:37 | 0:23:39 | |
But we don't have to bin it because almost certainly | 0:23:39 | 0:23:42 | |
it applied to another fella who was involved in the early Irish mission, | 0:23:42 | 0:23:45 | |
a man called Palladius. | 0:23:45 | 0:23:47 | |
Palladius is mentioned in continental sources in the year 431. | 0:23:47 | 0:23:51 | |
-Which is a year before St Patrick. -A very significant year. | 0:23:51 | 0:23:54 | |
The year before Patrick is supposed to have come to Ireland, | 0:23:54 | 0:23:58 | |
this man Palladius, according to continental sources, | 0:23:58 | 0:24:01 | |
is sent by no less a person than the Pope, Pope Celestine, | 0:24:01 | 0:24:04 | |
who was the Pope at the time. | 0:24:04 | 0:24:06 | |
He is sent as the first bishop, primus episcopus, | 0:24:06 | 0:24:09 | |
to the Irish believing in Christ. | 0:24:09 | 0:24:11 | |
This is mind-blowing if you've grown up | 0:24:11 | 0:24:13 | |
in primary and secondary school in Ireland. | 0:24:13 | 0:24:15 | |
Patrick is not the man who introduced Christianity. | 0:24:15 | 0:24:18 | |
There were Christians here before him and even a bishop. | 0:24:18 | 0:24:21 | |
If Palladius got here before Patrick, it begs the question... | 0:24:21 | 0:24:25 | |
How come do the streets look like this on March 17th | 0:24:25 | 0:24:28 | |
and this on July 6th, Palladius' feast day. | 0:24:28 | 0:24:32 | |
-Have you ever heard of Palladius? -No. | 0:24:32 | 0:24:34 | |
What would you say if I said | 0:24:34 | 0:24:35 | |
-Palladius came to Ireland before St Patrick? -No! | 0:24:35 | 0:24:38 | |
He's a liar! A big liar! | 0:24:38 | 0:24:40 | |
-Have you heard of a Palladius? -What? | 0:24:40 | 0:24:43 | |
-Palladius? -I'm only in first year! | 0:24:43 | 0:24:46 | |
It's time for Palladius to be restored to his rightful place | 0:24:47 | 0:24:50 | |
in the pantheon of Irish heroes. | 0:24:50 | 0:24:52 | |
No longer will he be the forgotten man, | 0:24:52 | 0:24:54 | |
the George Lazenby of missionaries, | 0:24:54 | 0:24:56 | |
the Jim Corr to St Patrick's Andrea. | 0:24:56 | 0:25:00 | |
-Who do we want?! -Palladius! | 0:25:00 | 0:25:01 | |
-When do we want him?! -Some time around the start of the 5th century! | 0:25:01 | 0:25:05 | |
-Who do we want?! -Palladius! | 0:25:05 | 0:25:07 | |
-When do we want him?! -Some time around the start of the 5th century! | 0:25:07 | 0:25:11 | |
Onwards! | 0:25:11 | 0:25:12 | |
DRUMMING AND CHEERING | 0:25:12 | 0:25:14 | |
Unfortunately, the historians in Armagh found themselves in a jam | 0:25:17 | 0:25:20 | |
because they didn't want anybody else in Ireland before Patrick. | 0:25:20 | 0:25:24 | |
Their solution is to kill off Palladius. | 0:25:24 | 0:25:27 | |
Palladius arrives and he doesn't like the weather or the Irish | 0:25:27 | 0:25:31 | |
and he goes home. Patrick is on the next available flight. | 0:25:31 | 0:25:34 | |
The Patrick we know and commemorate on March 17th | 0:25:34 | 0:25:37 | |
is a composite St Patrick. | 0:25:37 | 0:25:39 | |
He's made up of traditions belonging to at least two separate people. | 0:25:39 | 0:25:43 | |
There does seem to be a constant undercurrent of murmurs | 0:25:43 | 0:25:47 | |
about himself, his personality, his missionary techniques, | 0:25:47 | 0:25:51 | |
about the people he's bringing the message to. | 0:25:51 | 0:25:54 | |
It's quite striking, although not unique to Patrick, | 0:25:54 | 0:25:56 | |
that whenever he talks about his success as a missionary, | 0:25:56 | 0:25:59 | |
it's more often than not about converting women. | 0:25:59 | 0:26:02 | |
He refers to one particular woman as being "strikingly good-looking". | 0:26:02 | 0:26:06 | |
Which really doesn't have anything to do with the message. | 0:26:06 | 0:26:10 | |
The fact that he says it implies that he has an eye for the ladies. | 0:26:10 | 0:26:13 | |
-Are you ready to pray?! -Yes! | 0:26:15 | 0:26:18 | |
-I can't hear you! I said, "Are you ready to pray?!" -Yes! | 0:26:18 | 0:26:22 | |
Woo! Woo! | 0:26:22 | 0:26:23 | |
I love you, Pat! | 0:26:26 | 0:26:28 | |
Easy, girl. I know! I know! | 0:26:28 | 0:26:30 | |
-Get off me! -You're barred! | 0:26:30 | 0:26:32 | |
This is a reading from the Gospel of Matthew. | 0:26:32 | 0:26:37 | |
GIRLS SCREAM | 0:26:38 | 0:26:39 | |
Blessed are the meek, for they shall possess the land. | 0:26:39 | 0:26:43 | |
Oh, spit on me, Patrick! | 0:26:43 | 0:26:45 | |
-Blessed are they that mourn, for they shall be comforted. -Yeah! | 0:26:49 | 0:26:53 | |
Blessed are the clean of heart, for they shall see God. | 0:26:53 | 0:26:58 | |
GIRLS CHEER | 0:26:59 | 0:27:02 | |
Blessed are the peacemakers, | 0:27:03 | 0:27:06 | |
for they shall be called children of God! | 0:27:06 | 0:27:11 | |
LOUD CHEERING | 0:27:14 | 0:27:16 | |
I can't go on. | 0:27:16 | 0:27:18 | |
Amen! | 0:27:18 | 0:27:20 | |
'He must have been massively charismatic | 0:27:25 | 0:27:27 | |
'if women were willing to leave their jewels on the altar for him.' | 0:27:27 | 0:27:30 | |
Anybody who reads Patrick will get the impression | 0:27:30 | 0:27:32 | |
he's massively charismatic, period. He's an extraordinary guy. | 0:27:32 | 0:27:36 | |
He's just on the right side of lunatic. | 0:27:36 | 0:27:38 | |
He's one of these guys we'd regard as OK, interesting and impressive | 0:27:38 | 0:27:43 | |
but not the kind of guy you want to sit beside on the bus. | 0:27:43 | 0:27:46 | |
I am finding myself liking real Patrick more and more. | 0:27:51 | 0:27:55 | |
Unbelievably brave, unbelievably charismatic. | 0:27:55 | 0:27:58 | |
What I've lost in my beliefs about this mythical figure | 0:27:58 | 0:28:03 | |
has been replaced by a new-found respect for the real guy. | 0:28:03 | 0:28:07 | |
He's the world's most famous patron saint, | 0:28:07 | 0:28:09 | |
'but who was the real Patrick? I'm on a quest to find out. | 0:28:09 | 0:28:13 | |
'I'd say mission but the big man might get upset.' | 0:28:13 | 0:28:16 | |
This would have been Patrick the Bishop. | 0:28:17 | 0:28:20 | |
-He's back. He's got a few years... -He's back! | 0:28:20 | 0:28:22 | |
Yeah! This time it's personal! | 0:28:22 | 0:28:25 | |
You can see he's very different to Patrick the slave. | 0:28:25 | 0:28:28 | |
It's much warmer, shall we say, as I model bishop chic! | 0:28:28 | 0:28:33 | |
What else is different? It's a longer cut. | 0:28:33 | 0:28:35 | |
It's much longer and you have several layers on of wool and linen. | 0:28:35 | 0:28:38 | |
We know when Patrick comes back to Ireland | 0:28:38 | 0:28:40 | |
that there are already Christians here. | 0:28:40 | 0:28:42 | |
How would he have spread his message? | 0:28:42 | 0:28:44 | |
He deliberately chose areas that were not Christianised already. | 0:28:44 | 0:28:48 | |
Wild areas, probably, very difficult. | 0:28:48 | 0:28:51 | |
People in Ireland would have been aware of the Roman Empire | 0:28:51 | 0:28:54 | |
and would have been aware of the richness and prestige | 0:28:54 | 0:28:57 | |
attached to Roman culture. | 0:28:57 | 0:28:59 | |
The Roman religion that was Christianity was probably | 0:28:59 | 0:29:02 | |
appealing to people in that respect. | 0:29:02 | 0:29:03 | |
So on top of the glamour of Rome, he spoke the lingo. | 0:29:03 | 0:29:08 | |
Yes, but the Welsh language and Latin has a "P" sound in it, | 0:29:08 | 0:29:11 | |
-like his name, "Patrick". -Yeah. | 0:29:11 | 0:29:13 | |
The native Irish couldn't pronounce "P" properly, we don't think. | 0:29:13 | 0:29:18 | |
They had a "cuh" sound where the Welsh had a "puh" sound. | 0:29:18 | 0:29:21 | |
So, for him in Ireland, his name would probably would have been | 0:29:21 | 0:29:25 | |
rendered as something like "Cuh-trick". | 0:29:25 | 0:29:28 | |
Even the most simple thing about St Patrick isn't as we thought. | 0:29:28 | 0:29:31 | |
We would not have called him Patrick. | 0:29:31 | 0:29:33 | |
We would have called him "Cuh-trick". | 0:29:33 | 0:29:35 | |
In his writings, Patrick seems to be defensive. | 0:29:35 | 0:29:37 | |
What sort of accusations did he face? | 0:29:37 | 0:29:39 | |
There's a defensive tone to parts of the Confessio. | 0:29:39 | 0:29:42 | |
It seems he was accused of financial impropriety. | 0:29:42 | 0:29:45 | |
Newly-converted women were placing their jewels | 0:29:45 | 0:29:48 | |
on the altar as offerings. | 0:29:48 | 0:29:50 | |
For two reasons it might have been frowned upon. | 0:29:50 | 0:29:52 | |
One - it was pagan practice. | 0:29:52 | 0:29:54 | |
Two - Patrick would have been seen to be profiting from his converting | 0:29:54 | 0:29:58 | |
of Christianity, and he flatly denies this. | 0:29:58 | 0:30:00 | |
How hard would it have been for Patrick to traverse Ireland? | 0:30:00 | 0:30:04 | |
They were probably travelling by foot, possibly on horseback | 0:30:04 | 0:30:08 | |
and maybe someone high status like Patrick | 0:30:08 | 0:30:10 | |
could have had access to a chariot. | 0:30:10 | 0:30:13 | |
TENSE LATIN CHORAL MUSIC | 0:30:19 | 0:30:22 | |
Dave, what evidence do we have that St Patrick would have ridden around | 0:30:45 | 0:30:48 | |
in a chariot like that? | 0:30:48 | 0:30:50 | |
We have his own words from his confession | 0:30:50 | 0:30:53 | |
which tell us the kind of travel that he made around Ireland. | 0:30:53 | 0:30:57 | |
He had to bring with him the king's sons as an escort. | 0:30:57 | 0:31:01 | |
Just to announce to the people that they knew who he was, | 0:31:01 | 0:31:05 | |
they knew the king's sons and he had permission to be there. | 0:31:05 | 0:31:09 | |
Patrick was very much an outsider coming in | 0:31:09 | 0:31:13 | |
and living by the rules of the Tuatha and tribal law. | 0:31:13 | 0:31:18 | |
Travel in those days at that expense is high status. | 0:31:20 | 0:31:25 | |
In the Gaelic world, the chariot is the heroic self-image. | 0:31:25 | 0:31:29 | |
That's high status. It's the way people wanted to be seen. | 0:31:29 | 0:31:34 | |
If I was trying to convert loads of people and was walking into a place | 0:31:34 | 0:31:38 | |
and they've never heard of me before, walking in is one way to do it. | 0:31:38 | 0:31:41 | |
Riding in on a chariot with 15 men behind you - best entrance. | 0:31:41 | 0:31:47 | |
It just says, "Hi, I'm Patrick. I'm here." | 0:31:47 | 0:31:50 | |
We have this image of Patrick traversing the country | 0:31:52 | 0:31:55 | |
converting people left, right and centre. Is that accurate? | 0:31:55 | 0:31:59 | |
Not at all. | 0:31:59 | 0:32:00 | |
We've no evidence that Patrick ever strayed beyond a line | 0:32:00 | 0:32:03 | |
that you could draw somewhere from Dublin to Galway or Mayo. | 0:32:03 | 0:32:07 | |
His mission is totally confined to the northern half of the island. | 0:32:07 | 0:32:11 | |
Is it accurate to say that he converted | 0:32:11 | 0:32:13 | |
thousands upon thousands of people? | 0:32:13 | 0:32:15 | |
Not thousands upon thousands upon thousands. | 0:32:15 | 0:32:18 | |
But certainly a lot of people, mainly at the ruling level. | 0:32:18 | 0:32:21 | |
He's going straight to what we might now call kings, the local despots, | 0:32:21 | 0:32:25 | |
the people who had power, economic power as well as political power. | 0:32:25 | 0:32:29 | |
They're already eating Roman food, dressing in Roman styles, | 0:32:29 | 0:32:33 | |
interested in Roman religious practices. | 0:32:33 | 0:32:36 | |
They're very receptive to somebody who speaks Latin | 0:32:36 | 0:32:39 | |
and comes from what they see as the civilised part of the world. | 0:32:39 | 0:32:42 | |
It's almost, for the ruling class, like a fashion statement. | 0:32:42 | 0:32:46 | |
There are two types of mission. | 0:32:46 | 0:32:47 | |
The missionaries who work with the homeless, outcast and poor. | 0:32:47 | 0:32:51 | |
We also have those like the Jesuits who set up universities | 0:32:51 | 0:32:54 | |
and work with the ruling class. | 0:32:54 | 0:32:56 | |
Which model of mission does Patrick take? The Jesuit model. | 0:32:56 | 0:32:59 | |
The question is - would the pagan Irish | 0:32:59 | 0:33:01 | |
have converted to other religions in the same numbers? | 0:33:01 | 0:33:04 | |
Depends on how they were proposed. | 0:33:04 | 0:33:06 | |
"I'd like to talk to you about Islam. There's only one god." | 0:33:06 | 0:33:09 | |
"Sounds good to me. "You can't drink." | 0:33:09 | 0:33:11 | |
HE CHUCKLES | 0:33:11 | 0:33:13 | |
"Or eat rashers and sausages." "No way!" | 0:33:13 | 0:33:16 | |
"I'd like to talk to you about Judaism. Only one god." | 0:33:16 | 0:33:18 | |
"Sounds good to me." | 0:33:18 | 0:33:20 | |
"We're going to have to cut the end off your penis." | 0:33:20 | 0:33:23 | |
"No way, thanks. No, no." | 0:33:25 | 0:33:26 | |
"I'd like to talk to you about Hinduism. | 0:33:26 | 0:33:29 | |
"There's loads of gods but you can't eat a burger." | 0:33:29 | 0:33:31 | |
"Why not?" "They're made of beef." | 0:33:31 | 0:33:32 | |
"Not in this country!" | 0:33:32 | 0:33:34 | |
St Patrick preached Christianity, | 0:33:37 | 0:33:39 | |
which is heavily reliant on the written word. | 0:33:39 | 0:33:42 | |
What influence had the spread of Christianity on literacy in Ireland? | 0:33:42 | 0:33:46 | |
Patrick brings a religion that is dependent on two books - | 0:33:46 | 0:33:50 | |
the Bible and a book that you're going to use for liturgy. | 0:33:50 | 0:33:54 | |
Now, if you're going to read those, | 0:33:54 | 0:33:56 | |
they're available in this society in Latin. | 0:33:56 | 0:33:59 | |
And this gives us access in Ireland | 0:33:59 | 0:34:01 | |
to the language that is common throughout Western Europe. | 0:34:01 | 0:34:04 | |
So this literacy gives us access to the whole culture of Western Europe. | 0:34:04 | 0:34:08 | |
Patrick ends the isolation of Ireland | 0:34:08 | 0:34:10 | |
which had not been part of the Roman Empire. | 0:34:10 | 0:34:12 | |
What might have been achieved had we been part of the Roman Empire | 0:34:12 | 0:34:15 | |
is achieved by Patrick in terms of bringing us into religious, social, | 0:34:15 | 0:34:19 | |
commercial, literary contact with the rest of Europe, | 0:34:19 | 0:34:21 | |
that hadn't been possible when we were outside the Roman Empire. | 0:34:21 | 0:34:24 | |
Literacy - that's not emphasised enough. | 0:34:24 | 0:34:27 | |
He promoted Christianity, Christianity promoted literacy | 0:34:27 | 0:34:31 | |
and that's the society we have now. | 0:34:31 | 0:34:34 | |
How am I doing here? | 0:34:34 | 0:34:36 | |
Em... well, it's what you'd call a "cursive script" | 0:34:36 | 0:34:38 | |
so that's a polite way of saying it's bad writing. | 0:34:38 | 0:34:41 | |
-Now, I notice you've got spaces between the words. -Yeah. | 0:34:42 | 0:34:46 | |
That's probably cos you're Irish. The Irish are responsible for | 0:34:46 | 0:34:49 | |
-introducing spaces between words. -In the whole world? -Pretty much, yeah. | 0:34:49 | 0:34:53 | |
-In the whole Western world, the Irish did that. -Why? | 0:34:53 | 0:34:55 | |
The Irish had no notion of Latin. | 0:34:55 | 0:34:57 | |
They were learning it as a foreign language, so they needed | 0:34:57 | 0:35:00 | |
to separate the words in order to understand what was going on. | 0:35:00 | 0:35:04 | |
So, there's some Irish fella going, "So, you invented words?" | 0:35:04 | 0:35:08 | |
"We invented the space between the words!" | 0:35:08 | 0:35:11 | |
Ah-ha-ha... | 0:35:12 | 0:35:14 | |
'Monks used to carry pocket gospels with abbreviations in them' | 0:35:14 | 0:35:18 | |
so the books could be kept short. | 0:35:18 | 0:35:20 | |
They could tell the story of Easter in just 22 letters. | 0:35:20 | 0:35:23 | |
You don't believe me? | 0:35:23 | 0:35:25 | |
JC DOA. JC AWOL. OMG. JC AOK. LOL! | 0:35:25 | 0:35:29 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:35:29 | 0:35:31 | |
Smiley face if you have space. | 0:35:31 | 0:35:32 | |
These are copies from the Book of Kells, some of my own artwork. | 0:35:34 | 0:35:38 | |
-You'll see the first thing about it, it's quite detailed. -Yeah. | 0:35:38 | 0:35:42 | |
What they would have been using to get that detail was quartz stones. | 0:35:42 | 0:35:45 | |
If you hold it up, it's like a piece of glass - it magnifies it. | 0:35:45 | 0:35:48 | |
The inks they'd have been using - they would have spent every expense. | 0:35:48 | 0:35:51 | |
Kermes red is made from | 0:35:51 | 0:35:53 | |
a crushed, pregnant, Mediterranean Kermes beetle. | 0:35:53 | 0:35:56 | |
-Of course! -So you've got to go to the Mediterranean, | 0:35:56 | 0:35:59 | |
you've got to find the right type of beetle, | 0:35:59 | 0:36:02 | |
you've got to make sure it's female and pregnant, crush it up. | 0:36:02 | 0:36:04 | |
It's the same stuff that goes into Coco Chanel lipstick. | 0:36:04 | 0:36:07 | |
How do you get the beetle to pee on a stick to tell if it's pregnant? | 0:36:07 | 0:36:11 | |
I don't know! You... I don't know! | 0:36:11 | 0:36:13 | |
You just have to ask around! | 0:36:13 | 0:36:14 | |
Rumours are being spread about the beetle and that's how you know! | 0:36:14 | 0:36:18 | |
-Find one that was in a scandal! -OK, so that's red, that's brown, | 0:36:18 | 0:36:22 | |
-what about blue? -The really expensive one | 0:36:22 | 0:36:25 | |
was made from this stuff - lapis lazuli. | 0:36:25 | 0:36:27 | |
When polished up, it's still used in jewellery today. | 0:36:27 | 0:36:30 | |
It's called ultra marine. This stuff was only found in one place | 0:36:30 | 0:36:33 | |
in the world at the time of the Book of Kells - northeast Afghanistan | 0:36:33 | 0:36:36 | |
and by the time it reached Ireland, it would have been dearer than gold. | 0:36:36 | 0:36:40 | |
This stuff was used so sparingly that it was only used generally for | 0:36:40 | 0:36:44 | |
two figures - Christ and the Virgin Mary. That's why when you still see | 0:36:44 | 0:36:47 | |
Catholic statues of the Virgin Mary, she's dressed in blue. | 0:36:47 | 0:36:51 | |
-Avatar must have been unbelievably expensive. -Hugely. -And the Smurfs. | 0:36:51 | 0:36:55 | |
TOGETHER: Braveheart! | 0:36:55 | 0:36:57 | |
What did the illustrations in the Book of Kells mean? | 0:36:57 | 0:36:59 | |
One of the most common ones you'd get are the four evangelists | 0:36:59 | 0:37:02 | |
who wrote the gospel - Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. | 0:37:02 | 0:37:05 | |
They're represented by a man, a lion, a calf and an eagle. | 0:37:05 | 0:37:08 | |
When they drew lions, it's basically a big, scary cat | 0:37:08 | 0:37:11 | |
or a big scary dog-like creature! | 0:37:11 | 0:37:14 | |
Because they couldn't nip down to Dublin Zoo and look at a lion. | 0:37:14 | 0:37:17 | |
What they were working on was vellum. | 0:37:17 | 0:37:20 | |
OK, now this is a calf skin. | 0:37:20 | 0:37:22 | |
It probably took 150-200 cows being slaughtered | 0:37:22 | 0:37:25 | |
to get enough pages for the Book of Kells. | 0:37:25 | 0:37:27 | |
The Book of Kells is made up of 185 calf skins. | 0:37:27 | 0:37:30 | |
I like to stand behind American tourists when they're looking at it | 0:37:30 | 0:37:33 | |
and pretend it's haunted... | 0:37:33 | 0:37:35 | |
"Mooooo!" | 0:37:35 | 0:37:36 | |
HIGH-PITCHED MOOING | 0:37:36 | 0:37:39 | |
(AMERICAN ACCENT) "Oh, my God, I can hear lowing!" "Mooo!" | 0:37:39 | 0:37:42 | |
"I can hear lowing! What does it mean?" | 0:37:42 | 0:37:44 | |
"Oh, they say only the special people | 0:37:44 | 0:37:46 | |
"can hear the calves of the Book of Kells!" | 0:37:46 | 0:37:49 | |
"What are they saying?" "They're saying, 'Please! | 0:37:49 | 0:37:53 | |
"'Please! | 0:37:53 | 0:37:55 | |
"'Buy something in the gift shop!'" | 0:37:55 | 0:37:58 | |
We should explain where we are. We are on Croagh Patrick, | 0:38:12 | 0:38:15 | |
the site that's most associated with St Patrick. | 0:38:15 | 0:38:18 | |
Is this originally a pagan site, though? | 0:38:18 | 0:38:20 | |
Well, at the end of July every year, as you know, | 0:38:20 | 0:38:24 | |
the pilgrims process up the mountain. | 0:38:24 | 0:38:26 | |
We think that it might have been a site of pre-Christian pilgrimage | 0:38:26 | 0:38:30 | |
on the festival of Lughnasa around the 1st August, | 0:38:30 | 0:38:32 | |
that's why it's still celebrated on the last Sunday in July. | 0:38:32 | 0:38:35 | |
And people walk up it in their bare feet like... like ONE of us! | 0:38:35 | 0:38:39 | |
-They do! -One of the most authentic people, | 0:38:39 | 0:38:42 | |
rather than you with your lovely, shiny boots! | 0:38:42 | 0:38:44 | |
-Well, you're the devout Christian here, Neil! -Yes, I am the bishop! | 0:38:44 | 0:38:47 | |
Are a lot of the sites associated with Patrick originally pagan? | 0:38:47 | 0:38:51 | |
Well, they wrote him very much into the mythology of places like Tara. | 0:38:51 | 0:38:55 | |
They have very ancient pedigrees going back | 0:38:55 | 0:38:57 | |
to the pre-Christian period and it was a way of carrying forward | 0:38:57 | 0:39:00 | |
the ancient tradition in this sort of new, Christian context. | 0:39:00 | 0:39:03 | |
The only item of clothing Patrick ever mentioned in the Confessio | 0:39:05 | 0:39:08 | |
-was his shoes, so... You haven't had shoes?! -Why didn't you give me | 0:39:08 | 0:39:12 | |
the bloody shoes down at the bottom of the hill?! | 0:39:12 | 0:39:15 | |
The penance is good for you! | 0:39:15 | 0:39:16 | |
I can't believe you kept them! That is not funny! | 0:39:16 | 0:39:20 | |
That is not funny! | 0:39:20 | 0:39:21 | |
I nearly fell on my hole down there! And you had shoes in your bag?! | 0:39:21 | 0:39:26 | |
So, is this where Patrick banished the snakes from? | 0:39:27 | 0:39:29 | |
Well, it's funny you should mention that, actually... | 0:39:29 | 0:39:32 | |
-Because... Ah, Jesus! -Is that a real snake? -That's a real snake! | 0:39:32 | 0:39:36 | |
-Ah, here! OK, hold on. -Try him on for size, he'll warm you up! | 0:39:36 | 0:39:39 | |
Oh, I don't like snakes. | 0:39:39 | 0:39:41 | |
When I was making this documentary, I had one rule - no snakes. | 0:39:41 | 0:39:45 | |
So, imagine my surprise as I was walking up Croagh Patrick | 0:39:45 | 0:39:48 | |
towards the chapel at the summit, | 0:39:48 | 0:39:49 | |
when Billy stopped, took off his backpack, | 0:39:49 | 0:39:52 | |
took a snake out and draped it around my shoulders! | 0:39:52 | 0:39:54 | |
Where's his head? | 0:39:56 | 0:39:58 | |
Can you not feel it there? | 0:39:58 | 0:40:00 | |
Oh... Yeah. Where is his head? | 0:40:00 | 0:40:03 | |
And I could hear a "hissss..." | 0:40:03 | 0:40:05 | |
It wasn't the snake, I'd pissed myself! | 0:40:05 | 0:40:08 | |
-What's his name? -That's Diesel, the python. | 0:40:08 | 0:40:12 | |
-He's a python? -Yeah. | 0:40:12 | 0:40:14 | |
-So, at some point he... -Yeah. | 0:40:14 | 0:40:16 | |
I couldn't look at Billy. I couldn't look at the snake. | 0:40:16 | 0:40:19 | |
I looked over there and suddenly | 0:40:19 | 0:40:20 | |
I could just feel this tongue flick my ear! | 0:40:20 | 0:40:24 | |
And all I could think was, "Jesus Christ!" | 0:40:24 | 0:40:28 | |
"I hope that was Billy!" | 0:40:28 | 0:40:30 | |
I really don't want to turn around and see a snake's head just there | 0:40:32 | 0:40:36 | |
like some sort of evil Siamese twin! | 0:40:36 | 0:40:38 | |
I want to turn around and see Billy in the nip. | 0:40:38 | 0:40:42 | |
Having risked it all | 0:40:42 | 0:40:44 | |
on a fairly risky romantic, homosexual proposition! | 0:40:44 | 0:40:47 | |
At that point, I'd be like, "Thank God for that!" | 0:40:47 | 0:40:50 | |
"Kiss me quick, we can confess in the chapel. | 0:40:50 | 0:40:53 | |
"Let's make Croagh Patrick into Brokeback Mountain!" | 0:40:53 | 0:40:56 | |
You're a deeply sadistic man, aren't you? | 0:40:58 | 0:41:01 | |
Neil, you should suffer for your art! | 0:41:01 | 0:41:04 | |
We know that snakes didn't make it to Ireland after the Ice Age. | 0:41:04 | 0:41:08 | |
Ireland got cut off from Britain before they could make it over. | 0:41:08 | 0:41:11 | |
You do realise you could have said absolutely anything there? | 0:41:11 | 0:41:14 | |
You could have said he invented speed boats or briquettes, | 0:41:14 | 0:41:17 | |
and all I can think of is, "I've got a snake around my neck!" | 0:41:17 | 0:41:20 | |
What do you think the driving force | 0:41:23 | 0:41:25 | |
behind Patrick's mission to Ireland was? | 0:41:25 | 0:41:28 | |
Whatever happened to Patrick | 0:41:28 | 0:41:30 | |
when he returned to Britain after being a captive in Ireland, | 0:41:30 | 0:41:33 | |
he became utterly convinced that the end of the world was very close | 0:41:33 | 0:41:37 | |
and he believed the only thing that was preventing the return of Jesus | 0:41:37 | 0:41:41 | |
was there were some places out on the frontiers, even beyond | 0:41:41 | 0:41:45 | |
the frontiers of the empire, that hadn't heard of Jesus Christ. | 0:41:45 | 0:41:49 | |
And he thinks that if he announces the gospel there, | 0:41:49 | 0:41:53 | |
he is, as it were, the herald of the end. | 0:41:53 | 0:41:55 | |
That's them all done, my Lord. You may begin the day of judgment! | 0:41:57 | 0:42:01 | |
The very edge of the world, my Lord. Nothing more to be done! | 0:42:08 | 0:42:12 | |
I'm pretty sure that's everything. | 0:42:15 | 0:42:17 | |
I've been very thorough. | 0:42:18 | 0:42:20 | |
-Patrick would be shocked that we're here. -Yeah! | 0:42:22 | 0:42:26 | |
He would have been surprised that his theology was so wrong. | 0:42:26 | 0:42:29 | |
Could you have left someone out? | 0:42:33 | 0:42:35 | |
Nah. I would have spotted another pagan. | 0:42:35 | 0:42:38 | |
-Are you sure? -Yeah, I'm sure! I'm 100%. | 0:42:39 | 0:42:42 | |
There are no more pagans. | 0:42:42 | 0:42:45 | |
How can you be sure I'm the last one? | 0:42:46 | 0:42:48 | |
You must have forgotten someone. | 0:42:48 | 0:42:50 | |
Nah! | 0:42:51 | 0:42:53 | |
-Pat. -Tony. | 0:42:53 | 0:42:54 | |
The Christian community in Ireland | 0:42:57 | 0:43:00 | |
see Patrick as a loose cannon. | 0:43:00 | 0:43:02 | |
He's a maverick. He's an oddball. | 0:43:02 | 0:43:05 | |
The Confessio is his complaint to these people. | 0:43:05 | 0:43:08 | |
It's a bit like a letter to the paper saying, | 0:43:08 | 0:43:11 | |
"Who are you to be giving out about me? | 0:43:11 | 0:43:13 | |
"I'm doing something completely different. | 0:43:13 | 0:43:15 | |
"The end is coming. My authority is coming straight from God." | 0:43:15 | 0:43:18 | |
-"To whom it may concern... Yours, etc. Patrick." -Exactly. | 0:43:18 | 0:43:22 | |
So, if Patrick is so wildly off message, | 0:43:22 | 0:43:24 | |
-then why is he the poster boy for Christianity? -To understand that, | 0:43:24 | 0:43:27 | |
you have to think of Ireland in the late 7th century. | 0:43:27 | 0:43:30 | |
It's an island full of petty kingdoms | 0:43:30 | 0:43:34 | |
and families warring with one another. | 0:43:34 | 0:43:36 | |
Muirchu and a few other churchmen | 0:43:36 | 0:43:38 | |
come up with the vision of "one island, one nation". | 0:43:38 | 0:43:41 | |
Then there's one people, one family. Then there shouldn't be fighting. | 0:43:41 | 0:43:46 | |
And if you're going to have a baptised nation, | 0:43:46 | 0:43:49 | |
you need someone to baptise us. For Muirchu, Patrick is an ideal person, | 0:43:49 | 0:43:54 | |
long ago, not linked with anyone, | 0:43:54 | 0:43:56 | |
not known too much, not associated with any one church. | 0:43:56 | 0:44:01 | |
He will baptise the nation. The one who baptises them is their apostle. | 0:44:01 | 0:44:05 | |
The apostles are those who will judge the 12 tribes of Israel. | 0:44:05 | 0:44:09 | |
If Patrick is the apostle of the Irish, | 0:44:09 | 0:44:11 | |
Patrick gets to judge the Irish at the end. | 0:44:11 | 0:44:14 | |
Myth suggests Patrick will judge the Irish at the end of time, | 0:44:14 | 0:44:18 | |
which is going to be brilliant - 7 billion people lined up | 0:44:18 | 0:44:21 | |
to be judged by God, and about 5 or 6 million of us lined up | 0:44:21 | 0:44:23 | |
to be judged by Patrick. It'll be like having priority boarding! | 0:44:23 | 0:44:26 | |
Just walking by the Chinese going, "Ah-ha-ha! | 0:44:26 | 0:44:30 | |
"That really didn't work out for ye, that one-child policy, did it?" | 0:44:30 | 0:44:34 | |
There'll be four big red leather chairs for the judges - St Patrick, | 0:44:34 | 0:44:38 | |
St Brigid, Colmcille and then Bressie! | 0:44:38 | 0:44:41 | |
Patrick will be reading CVs. "What's the name - Bertie Ahern?" | 0:44:42 | 0:44:45 | |
"Whoa! I should send you to purgatory | 0:44:45 | 0:44:47 | |
"but I sent Jackie Healy-Rae there 20 minutes ago | 0:44:47 | 0:44:50 | |
"and he's already got it rezoned. | 0:44:50 | 0:44:52 | |
"It's now Killarney west and has a leisure centre! Come back to me." | 0:44:52 | 0:44:55 | |
"What's the name? Ooh... Martin McGuinness. Whoa!" | 0:44:55 | 0:44:59 | |
"There's a lot of stuff here. Let's just go through the bullet points. | 0:44:59 | 0:45:02 | |
"Probably shouldn't have used that phrase! | 0:45:02 | 0:45:04 | |
"It's a game of two halves, I'll be honest. The '70s and '80s - | 0:45:04 | 0:45:07 | |
"not looking great. '90s and noughties - you did a lot. | 0:45:07 | 0:45:11 | |
"The thing is, Martin, I'm only judging Irish people | 0:45:11 | 0:45:14 | |
"and technically speaking..." | 0:45:14 | 0:45:16 | |
-AUDIENCE: -Ooh! | 0:45:16 | 0:45:18 | |
"You should have seen your face, Martin! I'm only messin'! | 0:45:20 | 0:45:23 | |
"Go on outta that! You thought I was going to put you in the other queue | 0:45:23 | 0:45:26 | |
"over there with Rory McIlroy!" | 0:45:26 | 0:45:28 | |
LAUGHTER AND CHEERING | 0:45:28 | 0:45:30 | |
He's very intense. Like, he's really driven. | 0:45:32 | 0:45:35 | |
He strikes me as the kind of Roy Keane of his day. | 0:45:35 | 0:45:38 | |
I'd imagine he would convert a pagan and not really enjoy it. | 0:45:38 | 0:45:41 | |
He wouldn't live in the moment. | 0:45:41 | 0:45:43 | |
He would go, "I have to convert the next pagan, and the next pagan..." | 0:45:43 | 0:45:46 | |
So, Patrick dies sometime between 463 AD and 493 AD | 0:45:55 | 0:45:58 | |
and this is where he's allegedly buried? | 0:45:58 | 0:46:00 | |
The hill here in Downpatrick is the traditional burial place of Patrick. | 0:46:00 | 0:46:04 | |
-How do we know he's actually buried here. -Well, the Book of Armagh, | 0:46:04 | 0:46:08 | |
written a couple of hundred years after Patrick's death, | 0:46:08 | 0:46:11 | |
relates that he didn't die in Armagh | 0:46:11 | 0:46:13 | |
which is, of course, where they would want him to have been buried. | 0:46:13 | 0:46:16 | |
Patrick was buried here, and they had to find an excuse. | 0:46:16 | 0:46:20 | |
According to that book, his body was put on the back of an oxen cart. | 0:46:20 | 0:46:23 | |
And they seem to have been wayward cows | 0:46:23 | 0:46:26 | |
because obviously they should have gone somewhere in Armagh | 0:46:26 | 0:46:29 | |
but they took a wrong turn somewhere near Newry and apparently came here. | 0:46:29 | 0:46:33 | |
Well, those roundabouts are very confusing as well. | 0:46:33 | 0:46:35 | |
-They can be very confusing, yes! -Particularly for cattle, like! | 0:46:35 | 0:46:39 | |
The gravestone was put here about 100 years ago because people used to | 0:46:39 | 0:46:42 | |
come and take a scoop of earth from St Patrick's grave for luck. | 0:46:42 | 0:46:46 | |
Bram Stoker, he came from Clontarf, | 0:46:46 | 0:46:50 | |
but he married a lady from Newcastle which is just down the road | 0:46:50 | 0:46:53 | |
and he heard of this tradition, and he incorporated it into | 0:46:53 | 0:46:57 | |
the Dracula story, so that Dracula has to travel with his own soil. | 0:46:57 | 0:47:02 | |
From what you've read and all your research, | 0:47:02 | 0:47:04 | |
what do you think of the man himself - | 0:47:04 | 0:47:06 | |
the historical guy, not the superman? | 0:47:06 | 0:47:08 | |
I think it's worth celebrating the real St Patrick | 0:47:08 | 0:47:10 | |
because he is a very interesting individual. | 0:47:10 | 0:47:13 | |
He's been a slave, there's this piracy involved in his stories. | 0:47:13 | 0:47:17 | |
He's truculent, he's very wilful. | 0:47:17 | 0:47:19 | |
He goes AWOL on the Church. | 0:47:19 | 0:47:21 | |
He comes here and decides he's going to create his own Church. | 0:47:21 | 0:47:24 | |
He's Sinead O'Connor, isn't he? | 0:47:24 | 0:47:27 | |
He's... He's very wilful! That's the word! | 0:47:27 | 0:47:30 | |
He was the poster pin-up boy of the early Christian movement. | 0:47:31 | 0:47:34 | |
He was the Donny Osmond of the early Christian movement. | 0:47:34 | 0:47:37 | |
You're showing your age! Let's say Justin Bieber, shall we? | 0:47:37 | 0:47:41 | |
Justin Bieber, OK! | 0:47:41 | 0:47:42 | |
What happens around these parts on March 17th to celebrate him? | 0:47:42 | 0:47:45 | |
As a community, we come out and lay a wreath here on St Patrick's grave. | 0:47:45 | 0:47:50 | |
And the parade itself - it's a small parade compared to Dublin. | 0:47:50 | 0:47:53 | |
But we have it as a cross-community festival. | 0:47:53 | 0:47:56 | |
What better role model for this part of Ireland | 0:47:56 | 0:47:59 | |
than someone from Britain who became the patron saint of Ireland? | 0:47:59 | 0:48:02 | |
You can't get any more cross-community than that. | 0:48:02 | 0:48:05 | |
PARADE MUSIC | 0:48:05 | 0:48:06 | |
So how do you get from Patrick the man to the modern-day parades? | 0:48:06 | 0:48:10 | |
The first parades are American-based. | 0:48:10 | 0:48:12 | |
You see in the 18th century, around 1730 - 1737 is a big date. | 0:48:12 | 0:48:16 | |
In Boston, there is a tradition where it's Irish guys | 0:48:16 | 0:48:19 | |
serving in the British Army. | 0:48:19 | 0:48:21 | |
They want to go for a few beers, it's their national day. | 0:48:21 | 0:48:24 | |
So they go and parade outside their commander's house. | 0:48:24 | 0:48:26 | |
They make a raucous noise. The commander comes out, | 0:48:26 | 0:48:30 | |
throws them a few pounds, they're off down the pub. | 0:48:30 | 0:48:33 | |
You can see how that would catch on! | 0:48:33 | 0:48:35 | |
If you're given money the first time you walk by and you can go | 0:48:35 | 0:48:38 | |
and get boozed up, this will be a thing you'll do every year. | 0:48:38 | 0:48:41 | |
Once the British leave in the middle of the 18th century, | 0:48:41 | 0:48:44 | |
you then see an Irish diaspora taking control of it. | 0:48:44 | 0:48:47 | |
It will be from a pub to the church for mass or on the way back. | 0:48:47 | 0:48:50 | |
I like the way they decided to have a parade on the routes | 0:48:50 | 0:48:53 | |
they were going to and from anyway! "We're going to the pub and mass. | 0:48:53 | 0:48:56 | |
"Might as well make a song and dance about it!" | 0:48:56 | 0:48:58 | |
Everything goes green for St Patrick's Day! | 0:48:58 | 0:49:00 | |
Landmarks are lit up green. Rivers are dyed green. | 0:49:00 | 0:49:04 | |
In border counties, even their diesel..! | 0:49:04 | 0:49:07 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:49:07 | 0:49:08 | |
And was green always the colour of St Patrick? | 0:49:08 | 0:49:11 | |
No, St Patrick's colour is blue. | 0:49:11 | 0:49:13 | |
Patrick's day used to be a different colour. | 0:49:13 | 0:49:16 | |
Green wasn't the colour. | 0:49:16 | 0:49:17 | |
-I'm pretty sure that's Pepsi and Santa Claus! -No, it's not! | 0:49:17 | 0:49:21 | |
PARADE MUSIC | 0:49:21 | 0:49:23 | |
The parading tradition is kind of new in some ways to Ireland. | 0:49:23 | 0:49:27 | |
In the middle of the 19th century, after the famine, | 0:49:27 | 0:49:29 | |
you see bizarrely, it's actually a temperance movement who are | 0:49:29 | 0:49:33 | |
the first people to begin parading. | 0:49:33 | 0:49:34 | |
-That would seem like a bit of a...! -It's a contradiction in terms. | 0:49:34 | 0:49:38 | |
From the 1920s, it's a military parade. | 0:49:39 | 0:49:41 | |
It's the Free State Army up and down O'Connell Street. | 0:49:41 | 0:49:45 | |
After the Second World War, the industrial parades. | 0:49:45 | 0:49:48 | |
All those images of the Guinness trucks, these kinds of things. | 0:49:48 | 0:49:52 | |
It's Irish industry being put on the street. | 0:49:52 | 0:49:54 | |
It changed dramatically in the late 20th century | 0:49:54 | 0:49:57 | |
when it became much more a marketing ploy for Failte Ireland, | 0:49:57 | 0:50:00 | |
for Guinness, selling Ireland as a brand. | 0:50:00 | 0:50:02 | |
We've got the snakes, we've got the shamrock, we've got the green, | 0:50:02 | 0:50:05 | |
all that paddywhackery, if you like. | 0:50:05 | 0:50:07 | |
But what we haven't got is any sense of a 5th century character | 0:50:07 | 0:50:10 | |
who brought Christianity to the Irish State. | 0:50:10 | 0:50:13 | |
Sham-rocks! Sham-rocks! | 0:50:13 | 0:50:15 | |
When I started this search, this pursuit of Patrick, | 0:50:24 | 0:50:28 | |
I thought I knew exactly what I'd find. | 0:50:28 | 0:50:30 | |
How wrong I was! | 0:50:32 | 0:50:33 | |
The real Patrick I think we should celebrate | 0:50:35 | 0:50:38 | |
because nobody knows him, really. | 0:50:38 | 0:50:39 | |
The Patrick who is talked about on March 17th is a different person. | 0:50:39 | 0:50:43 | |
In fact, he's not a person at all. He's a figment of the imagination. | 0:50:43 | 0:50:46 | |
He's a folk hero. He's a national hero in lots of ways. | 0:50:46 | 0:50:49 | |
Patrick is our first real voice from Ireland. | 0:50:49 | 0:50:52 | |
He's moving us from prehistory to history. | 0:50:52 | 0:50:55 | |
When you read his writings, you actually get into the psychology | 0:50:55 | 0:50:59 | |
and mindset of a 5th century Christian, | 0:50:59 | 0:51:01 | |
which is absolutely amazing. | 0:51:01 | 0:51:03 | |
He's relevant. That's the most important thing. | 0:51:03 | 0:51:06 | |
He's not just an historical figure. | 0:51:06 | 0:51:08 | |
Patrick comes before there's a division in the Church | 0:51:08 | 0:51:11 | |
between Catholic and Protestant. | 0:51:11 | 0:51:13 | |
No matter where you come from, Patrick is somebody | 0:51:13 | 0:51:16 | |
that we can all claim, that we can all own as our own, as our patron. | 0:51:16 | 0:51:19 | |
If we've learnt anything from this programme | 0:51:21 | 0:51:23 | |
it's that every generation - if it's 200 years after he died, | 0:51:23 | 0:51:26 | |
if it's the 1800s in America - Patrick belongs to all of us. | 0:51:26 | 0:51:31 | |
And what we do is we use whatever version of Patrick we need | 0:51:31 | 0:51:36 | |
for the time. | 0:51:36 | 0:51:37 | |
-Can you take this snake off me now? -I suppose. | 0:51:37 | 0:51:40 |