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Over 40 years, I've been making and playing music | 0:00:04 | 0:00:06 | |
to audiences all over the world. | 0:00:06 | 0:00:08 | |
Both as lead singer of Thotch and as a solo artist. | 0:00:08 | 0:00:11 | |
I invented world music. | 0:00:14 | 0:00:15 | |
HE SINGS IN SPANISH | 0:00:15 | 0:00:18 | |
I was the first musician to use Plasticine in videos. | 0:00:18 | 0:00:22 | |
The first magician to record with animals. | 0:00:22 | 0:00:24 | |
My last album had the lowest bass line ever recorded. | 0:00:26 | 0:00:28 | |
VERY LOW NOTE PLAYS | 0:00:28 | 0:00:29 | |
Long before Bob Geldof and Bono, | 0:00:29 | 0:00:32 | |
I was staging charity concerts | 0:00:32 | 0:00:34 | |
and writing songs to raise awareness for the helpless and the hopeless. | 0:00:34 | 0:00:37 | |
# Why no Black folk in Jersey? | 0:00:37 | 0:00:39 | |
# Why no Black folk in Sark? | 0:00:39 | 0:00:42 | |
# Why no Black folk in Guernsey? | 0:00:42 | 0:00:44 | |
# Are they having a lark? # | 0:00:44 | 0:00:47 | |
This is the Life Of Rock, with me Brian Pern. | 0:00:47 | 0:00:49 | |
MIDDLE EASTERN MUSIC PLAYS | 0:01:12 | 0:01:14 | |
But what always fascinates me is where it all began. | 0:01:18 | 0:01:21 | |
What is the meaning of this life we call rock'n'roll? | 0:01:21 | 0:01:24 | |
To find out, you have to go right back to the dawn of time, | 0:01:24 | 0:01:27 | |
to the birth of man and the birth of music. | 0:01:27 | 0:01:30 | |
Hello, I'm here with Mr Dan Cruickshank, | 0:01:32 | 0:01:34 | |
one of the world's foremost historians. | 0:01:34 | 0:01:36 | |
We're deep underground in a cave in the Middle East. | 0:01:36 | 0:01:38 | |
There's been a pretty amazing discovery. Dan. | 0:01:38 | 0:01:41 | |
Right, well, here it is. | 0:01:41 | 0:01:42 | |
These wall paintings date from about 70,000 years ago. | 0:01:42 | 0:01:47 | |
As far as we know, | 0:01:47 | 0:01:49 | |
this is the earliest depiction of homo sapiens making music. | 0:01:49 | 0:01:53 | |
This chap here, as you can see, | 0:01:53 | 0:01:55 | |
is playing some sort of wind instrument. | 0:01:55 | 0:01:58 | |
Here, this rather Neanderthal-looking fellow on percussion - | 0:02:00 | 0:02:04 | |
the drummer. | 0:02:04 | 0:02:05 | |
Here, this man, is playing the stringed instrument. | 0:02:05 | 0:02:10 | |
What sort of music would they have played? | 0:02:10 | 0:02:12 | |
We had no idea | 0:02:12 | 0:02:13 | |
until recently, archaeologists found this sequence of symbols. | 0:02:13 | 0:02:19 | |
-Here they are. -Wow. | 0:02:19 | 0:02:21 | |
One assumes they are musical notes. | 0:02:21 | 0:02:23 | |
Only yesterday, scientists at the Shazam Institute in USA | 0:02:23 | 0:02:28 | |
developed software to transcribe the sequence. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:33 | |
My gosh. What's that over there? | 0:02:33 | 0:02:35 | |
Oh, that's a bloody Banksy. | 0:02:36 | 0:02:38 | |
That clown gets absolutely everywhere. | 0:02:38 | 0:02:41 | |
By the time I arrived back in London, | 0:02:44 | 0:02:45 | |
the chaps at Shazam had completed their findings | 0:02:45 | 0:02:49 | |
and sent them through to one of our greatest pianists. | 0:02:49 | 0:02:52 | |
He would be playing these musical notes for the very first time. | 0:02:52 | 0:02:56 | |
PIANO PLAYS | 0:02:56 | 0:02:58 | |
OK, can you stop that? | 0:02:58 | 0:02:59 | |
-Sorry. -Thanks. -Sorry. | 0:02:59 | 0:03:01 | |
Ready? | 0:03:01 | 0:03:02 | |
OK, so these are the actual notes that were transcribed | 0:03:02 | 0:03:05 | |
from the cave illustrations we found in Oman - over 70,000 years old. | 0:03:05 | 0:03:11 | |
I have Mr Jools Holland here. | 0:03:11 | 0:03:13 | |
Julian Holland. | 0:03:13 | 0:03:14 | |
Jools, I'd like you to play that for us the best you can. | 0:03:14 | 0:03:17 | |
I'd love to try and play this. | 0:03:17 | 0:03:18 | |
You know, of course, there are... | 0:03:18 | 0:03:20 | |
This is 70,000-year-old transcription. There is a... | 0:03:20 | 0:03:25 | |
The oldest recording on Earth is Roman, | 0:03:25 | 0:03:27 | |
it's not known by a lot of people. | 0:03:27 | 0:03:30 | |
The Roman potters would sign the inside of their vases | 0:03:30 | 0:03:34 | |
with a needle as the pot was being rotated. | 0:03:34 | 0:03:37 | |
When these shattered vases, taken from the British Museum, | 0:03:37 | 0:03:40 | |
are reconstructed and put on the right equipment, | 0:03:40 | 0:03:42 | |
which I think the Russians have done now, | 0:03:42 | 0:03:45 | |
you can hear the crackling, ancient sounds of the market. | 0:03:45 | 0:03:48 | |
There's no music. It's just the "For sale" and things like this. | 0:03:48 | 0:03:51 | |
I don't know if you were aware of that. | 0:03:51 | 0:03:54 | |
No. Let's do this now. | 0:03:54 | 0:03:55 | |
-Just play this? -Yeah. -OK. | 0:03:55 | 0:03:57 | |
Hang on. | 0:03:57 | 0:03:58 | |
Oh. | 0:04:05 | 0:04:06 | |
HE PLAYS EASTENDERS THEME TUNE | 0:04:06 | 0:04:09 | |
Is that a bit like EastEnders, isn't it? | 0:04:14 | 0:04:16 | |
DOOF DOOF | 0:04:16 | 0:04:17 | |
For thousands of years, rock lay dormant within man. | 0:04:22 | 0:04:26 | |
Humans got their kicks out of what we now know as classical music. | 0:04:26 | 0:04:31 | |
It wasn't until the 20th century when all that changed. | 0:04:31 | 0:04:34 | |
Meet the parents of rock - folk, jazz and blues. | 0:04:34 | 0:04:38 | |
The Mississippi. | 0:04:41 | 0:04:42 | |
It is amazing to think this primordial swamp | 0:04:42 | 0:04:45 | |
gave birth to the 12-bar blues - | 0:04:45 | 0:04:47 | |
the nucleus of rock'n'roll as we know it. | 0:04:47 | 0:04:50 | |
Basically, white people heard the blues | 0:04:50 | 0:04:52 | |
created in the Deep South on their radios and copied it, | 0:04:52 | 0:04:55 | |
made it slightly worse, then cashed in big time. | 0:04:55 | 0:04:59 | |
# All we've got... # | 0:04:59 | 0:05:01 | |
The great-grandfather of the blues movement was | 0:05:01 | 0:05:03 | |
Toddy 'Biscuit Barrel" Burnett. | 0:05:03 | 0:05:05 | |
# I don't want to run, babe | 0:05:05 | 0:05:09 | |
# I'm hunted | 0:05:11 | 0:05:14 | |
# I'm hunted | 0:05:14 | 0:05:16 | |
# I'm missing my wife... # | 0:05:16 | 0:05:18 | |
Toddy's one of the great originators. | 0:05:18 | 0:05:20 | |
I think without him, music wouldn't be quite the same as it is today. | 0:05:20 | 0:05:24 | |
My, oh, my. | 0:05:28 | 0:05:29 | |
This is Toddy 'Biscuit Barrel' Burnett... | 0:05:30 | 0:05:32 | |
..who was essentially the guy that taught all the guys, | 0:05:34 | 0:05:37 | |
all the top blues guys. | 0:05:37 | 0:05:39 | |
Howlin' Wolf, Sonny Boy Williamson, Robert Johnson, Bo Diddley. | 0:05:39 | 0:05:43 | |
This guy taught them the rudiments of blues guitar. | 0:05:43 | 0:05:46 | |
Now he's destitute, he's homeless. | 0:05:46 | 0:05:48 | |
Toddy, it's Brian Pern here. I e-mailed you. | 0:05:48 | 0:05:53 | |
I didn't get any reply. | 0:05:53 | 0:05:55 | |
How do you feel about bands like the Rolling Stones stealing your music? | 0:05:55 | 0:05:59 | |
Then there was jazz. | 0:06:04 | 0:06:05 | |
HE SCATS | 0:06:05 | 0:06:07 | |
When jazz and blues were mixed together, | 0:06:09 | 0:06:11 | |
it created a whole new melting pot - | 0:06:11 | 0:06:13 | |
a kind of rhythm and blues rock ratatouille. | 0:06:13 | 0:06:16 | |
All sorts of new genres were served up. | 0:06:16 | 0:06:19 | |
There was the traditional jazz, there was the modern jazz, | 0:06:19 | 0:06:21 | |
then there was the beebop. | 0:06:21 | 0:06:23 | |
Little wop, big wop, do-wop. Trad-de-wop. | 0:06:23 | 0:06:26 | |
You had the skiffle music, there was even skaffle. | 0:06:26 | 0:06:29 | |
Skoffle. | 0:06:29 | 0:06:30 | |
-Tofu. -Trad, skoffle beat. Skaffle, falafel. -Trad tofu. | 0:06:30 | 0:06:35 | |
Piffle-poddle, widdle. | 0:06:35 | 0:06:36 | |
We did quite a lot of widdling, actually. | 0:06:38 | 0:06:40 | |
But the most thoughtful and simplistic | 0:06:40 | 0:06:42 | |
of the three fathers of rock was folk. | 0:06:42 | 0:06:44 | |
Folk was a back-to-basics musical strata. | 0:06:48 | 0:06:51 | |
All you needed was an acoustic guitar, | 0:06:51 | 0:06:54 | |
some vaguely left-wing views and unkempt pubic hair. | 0:06:54 | 0:06:57 | |
Folk musicians smoked Boar's Head tobacco, | 0:06:57 | 0:07:00 | |
and they drank real ales | 0:07:00 | 0:07:01 | |
like Parson's Punnet, Dog Bolter and Bench. | 0:07:01 | 0:07:05 | |
DOG HOWLS | 0:07:09 | 0:07:10 | |
HOWLING CONTINUES | 0:07:12 | 0:07:16 | |
Bob Dylan, or Robert Zimmerman, is without doubt | 0:07:16 | 0:07:19 | |
probably the greatest singer-songwriter of all time. | 0:07:19 | 0:07:22 | |
Mind you, I saw him last year in London | 0:07:22 | 0:07:24 | |
and it sounded like somebody had thrown a hairdryer in the bath. | 0:07:24 | 0:07:28 | |
When Dylan plugged in, we plugged out. | 0:07:28 | 0:07:31 | |
-SLURRING: -I remember him. -Yes, you do. -He went electric. | 0:07:31 | 0:07:33 | |
He was gas before that. | 0:07:33 | 0:07:35 | |
At these festivals, as people plugged in, | 0:07:36 | 0:07:39 | |
they also plugged on to something else - | 0:07:39 | 0:07:41 | |
LSD. | 0:07:41 | 0:07:43 | |
But for every up, there came a down. | 0:07:48 | 0:07:51 | |
HE SCREAMS | 0:08:02 | 0:08:04 | |
I can't stand the confusion in my mind! | 0:08:04 | 0:08:07 | |
My first tab of LSD - I dropped it. | 0:08:07 | 0:08:12 | |
I picked it up. | 0:08:12 | 0:08:13 | |
It was almost as if the children of jazz, blues and folk had an orgy, | 0:08:18 | 0:08:22 | |
and an incestuous offspring was born into the world. | 0:08:22 | 0:08:26 | |
That offspring was rock music. | 0:08:26 | 0:08:28 | |
As rock music grew, | 0:08:30 | 0:08:32 | |
like a teenager it became more aware of its appearance | 0:08:32 | 0:08:35 | |
and no longer wanted to resemble what it had come from. | 0:08:35 | 0:08:38 | |
Suddenly, it was all about image. | 0:08:38 | 0:08:40 | |
# There's a star man | 0:08:40 | 0:08:42 | |
# Waiting in the sky... # | 0:08:42 | 0:08:44 | |
Star Man? I played piano on that. | 0:08:44 | 0:08:46 | |
Well, course David Bowie came on on Star Man. | 0:08:51 | 0:08:53 | |
Maybe it should have gone a bit more like this. | 0:08:53 | 0:08:56 | |
In his myriad guises, he took stagecraft to new limits - | 0:09:02 | 0:09:05 | |
borrowing from Marcel Marceau, Lindsay Kemp, Nosferatu, | 0:09:05 | 0:09:10 | |
Popeye and Sally Gunnell. | 0:09:10 | 0:09:12 | |
Put simply - he's one of the greats. | 0:09:12 | 0:09:14 | |
But in the old days, he would go down your pockets | 0:09:14 | 0:09:17 | |
and steal your fags. | 0:09:17 | 0:09:18 | |
Although David Bowie may have pioneered glam rock, | 0:09:20 | 0:09:22 | |
others were hot on his high heels. | 0:09:22 | 0:09:24 | |
# What's her name, Virginia Plain? # | 0:09:29 | 0:09:31 | |
Virginia Plain? I played piano on that. | 0:09:31 | 0:09:33 | |
Virginia Plain was another legendary record, | 0:09:35 | 0:09:37 | |
but maybe it should have gone a bit more like this. | 0:09:37 | 0:09:40 | |
Then, of course, there was Thotch. | 0:09:45 | 0:09:48 | |
-Thotch. -Thotch. | 0:09:48 | 0:09:49 | |
-Thotch. -Thotch. -Thotch. | 0:09:49 | 0:09:51 | |
-Thotch. -The Thotch. -Thotch. -- Thotch. | 0:09:51 | 0:09:53 | |
-Thotch. -Thotch. | 0:09:53 | 0:09:54 | |
-Yes, I'd agree. Thotch. -Thotch. | 0:09:54 | 0:09:56 | |
Good evening, everybody. Welcome to the Anglesey Pavilion. | 0:09:56 | 0:09:59 | |
While we're just tuning up between the songs, | 0:09:59 | 0:10:01 | |
I'd like to introduce you to Thotch the band. | 0:10:01 | 0:10:04 | |
First of all on double-necked guitar, Mr Pat Quid. | 0:10:04 | 0:10:07 | |
I was very unfortunate in that I was born to very wealthy | 0:10:08 | 0:10:12 | |
and very loving parents. I never wanted for anything. | 0:10:12 | 0:10:18 | |
I think that's held me back. | 0:10:18 | 0:10:19 | |
I wish, to some extent, that I'd had a more difficult upbringing | 0:10:19 | 0:10:24 | |
involving abuse, lack of love and penury. | 0:10:24 | 0:10:30 | |
On bass, we have John. On Drums we have Dave. | 0:10:30 | 0:10:33 | |
Mike. | 0:10:34 | 0:10:35 | |
Whilst at Stowe, I had the good fortune to meet two chaps | 0:10:44 | 0:10:50 | |
who'd had the similar misfortune as I'd had growing up, | 0:10:50 | 0:10:55 | |
in that they both had unconditional love | 0:10:55 | 0:10:57 | |
and wanted for nothing financially. | 0:10:57 | 0:10:59 | |
That was Brian Pern and Tony PebblE or Pebble as he was then. | 0:10:59 | 0:11:05 | |
On keyboards we have Mr Tony PebblE. | 0:11:05 | 0:11:08 | |
It's PebblE with an acute, you know...Huguenots. | 0:11:08 | 0:11:13 | |
16th century Protestant France. Doesn't matter, bollocks. | 0:11:13 | 0:11:16 | |
Anyway, it's PebblE. | 0:11:16 | 0:11:18 | |
I remember going to Putney to see The Yardbirds and Long John Baldry. | 0:11:18 | 0:11:23 | |
You just couldn't move for twat. | 0:11:26 | 0:11:29 | |
I don't remember anything about the music. | 0:11:29 | 0:11:31 | |
I just remember all those beautiful birds. | 0:11:31 | 0:11:32 | |
I went home and I started practising. | 0:11:32 | 0:11:35 | |
Thotch was always complicated. | 0:11:40 | 0:11:41 | |
We were part of a wave of public school bands. | 0:11:41 | 0:11:45 | |
That's a bit embarrassing. | 0:11:45 | 0:11:47 | |
We wrote about our environment, which was largely bucolic, | 0:11:47 | 0:11:52 | |
pastoral, dark side. | 0:11:52 | 0:11:54 | |
# We ran, we flew | 0:11:54 | 0:11:55 | |
# We danced, we laughed | 0:11:55 | 0:11:57 | |
# We drive, we jumped... # | 0:11:57 | 0:11:59 | |
The pretentiousness of that band, yeah, used to make me want to... | 0:11:59 | 0:12:05 | |
I can't even say. | 0:12:05 | 0:12:07 | |
Thotch weren't that intelligent. | 0:12:07 | 0:12:09 | |
They weren't as intelligent as we were. | 0:12:09 | 0:12:11 | |
Brian did build his guitar out of a fireplace. | 0:12:11 | 0:12:13 | |
John built his guitar out of a large fireplace. | 0:12:15 | 0:12:19 | |
Freddie built his piano out of a fireplace. | 0:12:20 | 0:12:23 | |
I built my drums out of a fireplace. You know. | 0:12:24 | 0:12:27 | |
They weren't that intelligent. | 0:12:28 | 0:12:30 | |
Grown men. Grown fucking men singing songs about worms and fairies. | 0:12:30 | 0:12:35 | |
Oh, do me a favour, will you, mate? For God's sake. | 0:12:35 | 0:12:37 | |
While the band are tuning up, I'd like to just tell you a quick story. | 0:12:37 | 0:12:41 | |
Once upon a time there was a fox. | 0:12:41 | 0:12:42 | |
He was being chased by a pack of hounds along a dry riverbed.... | 0:12:42 | 0:12:46 | |
I used to get very bored at some of those gigs. | 0:12:46 | 0:12:48 | |
Brian would enlarge on a theme and really go off piste. | 0:12:48 | 0:12:50 | |
Christ, he could babble on for 25 minutes, more. | 0:12:50 | 0:12:55 | |
I would nip out for a fag and get my knob polished. | 0:12:55 | 0:12:59 | |
Oi! | 0:12:59 | 0:13:00 | |
And the hounds were terrified. | 0:13:02 | 0:13:04 | |
This song is called Onion Divorce. | 0:13:04 | 0:13:08 | |
The costumes came about by accident. | 0:13:08 | 0:13:09 | |
You have to remember this was the peak of prog rock. | 0:13:09 | 0:13:12 | |
The Oyster Catcher's Owl, for example, was six sides long. | 0:13:12 | 0:13:16 | |
It featured a five minute bass pedal solo alone. | 0:13:16 | 0:13:19 | |
Brian would come on, prancing around in whatever had taken his fancy, | 0:13:19 | 0:13:24 | |
a feathery thing. To make it more interesting. | 0:13:24 | 0:13:27 | |
I felt it detracted from the music | 0:13:27 | 0:13:29 | |
and lost sight of the nuances of the solo. | 0:13:29 | 0:13:32 | |
It caused a lot of friction. | 0:13:32 | 0:13:34 | |
We were very serious, dedicated musicians. | 0:13:38 | 0:13:41 | |
We weren't interested in a visual representation of what we were. | 0:13:41 | 0:13:45 | |
We thought the music spoke for itself. | 0:13:45 | 0:13:47 | |
HE WAILS | 0:13:47 | 0:13:49 | |
Brian obviously didn't. | 0:13:52 | 0:13:53 | |
HE WAILS | 0:13:54 | 0:13:57 | |
WAILING CONTINUES | 0:14:04 | 0:14:06 | |
Brian was obsessed with dressing up. Even at Stowe - | 0:14:09 | 0:14:13 | |
any excuse to shove an animal on his head. He'd just do it. Bosh. | 0:14:13 | 0:14:18 | |
WAILING | 0:14:18 | 0:14:21 | |
For Brian it was about prosthetic claws, noses, beaks, | 0:14:24 | 0:14:29 | |
teeth, ears, feathers. | 0:14:29 | 0:14:32 | |
Every single costume from the '70s come from here, from me. | 0:14:45 | 0:14:49 | |
It was all me. Brian had a lot of... | 0:14:49 | 0:14:52 | |
A lot of looks, a lot of different birds he liked to put on his head. | 0:14:52 | 0:14:57 | |
So I knew this poacher who could get me some really, really good stuff. | 0:14:57 | 0:15:02 | |
When he was sort of time, I'd ring him up, we'd go down London Zoo | 0:15:02 | 0:15:04 | |
and he'd...one of the... | 0:15:04 | 0:15:06 | |
I mean, don't tell him. Stuff with stuffing and we'd put it on his head. | 0:15:06 | 0:15:10 | |
These days you couldn't do that. | 0:15:10 | 0:15:12 | |
We killed a panda once. | 0:15:12 | 0:15:14 | |
As musicians became more sophisticated, | 0:15:14 | 0:15:16 | |
so did the production values. | 0:15:16 | 0:15:18 | |
Producers became just as innovative as their subjects. | 0:15:18 | 0:15:22 | |
Phil Spector created his Wall of Sound. | 0:15:22 | 0:15:24 | |
George Martin created his Wall of Beatle. | 0:15:24 | 0:15:27 | |
Ray Thomas created his Multi-track Shenanigans. | 0:15:27 | 0:15:30 | |
DISTORTED MUSIC | 0:15:33 | 0:15:36 | |
This is actually a little hard for me right now, | 0:15:46 | 0:15:49 | |
because obviously I've worked a lot in music - a lot of headphones. | 0:15:49 | 0:15:53 | |
I'm now 97% deaf. I don't hear all the tone, but... | 0:15:53 | 0:15:59 | |
LOUD SYNTHESISED CHOIR | 0:15:59 | 0:16:02 | |
You have a very special way of recording. | 0:16:02 | 0:16:04 | |
-How did you get that sound? -Ah, well, interesting. | 0:16:04 | 0:16:06 | |
So we started with a high-hat. | 0:16:06 | 0:16:09 | |
If you come over here. | 0:16:09 | 0:16:10 | |
We'll augment that with some toms, | 0:16:13 | 0:16:17 | |
which are just here. | 0:16:17 | 0:16:20 | |
Two toms. Then, if you come over here, we'll have another cymbal. | 0:16:20 | 0:16:26 | |
We'll have a side cymbal. | 0:16:26 | 0:16:27 | |
-Have we got another chair? -Actually, I'll... | 0:16:27 | 0:16:30 | |
Can you? I took one tom down. That was what I did. | 0:16:31 | 0:16:36 | |
Then I doubled this tom. | 0:16:36 | 0:16:38 | |
That's not actually a tom-tom sound though. | 0:16:38 | 0:16:40 | |
CHICKEN CLUCKS | 0:16:40 | 0:16:41 | |
-Isn't it? -No, it's mislabelled. | 0:16:41 | 0:16:43 | |
And you can also here an egg, | 0:16:43 | 0:16:45 | |
which actually doesn't really make a sound, | 0:16:45 | 0:16:48 | |
but we still put up a mic to an egg. | 0:16:48 | 0:16:51 | |
SILENCE | 0:16:51 | 0:16:52 | |
Pretty good. | 0:16:54 | 0:16:55 | |
If folk and progressive rock | 0:16:59 | 0:17:00 | |
were the thoughtful and intelligent children of jazz and blues, | 0:17:00 | 0:17:03 | |
the one that sat about in the bedroom smoking dope all day | 0:17:03 | 0:17:06 | |
was reggae. | 0:17:06 | 0:17:07 | |
Although people claimed that Bob Marley, Aswad or Ace Of Base | 0:17:09 | 0:17:12 | |
were pioneers of this form, I wouldn't be so sure. | 0:17:12 | 0:17:15 | |
There was a man who tipped reggae on its head by being the first | 0:17:15 | 0:17:18 | |
White reggae artist to have a number one record in Jamaica, | 0:17:18 | 0:17:21 | |
and changed the face of music for ever. | 0:17:21 | 0:17:23 | |
That man was Judge Dread. | 0:17:23 | 0:17:26 | |
# With her knickers all tattered and torn... | 0:17:28 | 0:17:30 | |
# Uh-huh, uh-huh | 0:17:34 | 0:17:36 | |
# Uh-huh, uh-huh | 0:17:36 | 0:17:38 | |
# Ride up | 0:17:38 | 0:17:39 | |
# Here we go | 0:17:39 | 0:17:40 | |
# Tiki-taka, tiki-taka, tiki-taka | 0:17:42 | 0:17:44 | |
# Up higher, pussy catch on fire | 0:17:44 | 0:17:46 | |
# Yeah | 0:17:46 | 0:17:48 | |
# Uh-huh, uh-huh | 0:17:50 | 0:17:52 | |
# Uh-huh, uh-huh | 0:17:52 | 0:17:54 | |
# Uh-huh, uh-huh | 0:17:54 | 0:17:56 | |
# Yeah. # | 0:17:56 | 0:17:57 | |
From the 1970s as rock became big business | 0:17:59 | 0:18:01 | |
and bands became more intelligent, | 0:18:01 | 0:18:03 | |
it gave birth to a new form of big bucks, no nonsense, | 0:18:03 | 0:18:07 | |
abrasive managers like Don Arden and Peter Grant. | 0:18:07 | 0:18:10 | |
After we saw the swindles perpetuated | 0:18:10 | 0:18:13 | |
on the Stones, Beatles and Elvis, | 0:18:13 | 0:18:15 | |
artists of my generation were determined to keep their mitts | 0:18:15 | 0:18:17 | |
on the purse strings and retain creative control over the work. | 0:18:17 | 0:18:21 | |
Rock was tired of being bullied | 0:18:21 | 0:18:23 | |
and needed someone to fight their corner. | 0:18:23 | 0:18:25 | |
The man who made all this possible for me was John Farrow. | 0:18:25 | 0:18:29 | |
Eavis can fuck off. | 0:18:29 | 0:18:31 | |
I don't care what stage he's on, what tent he's under, what field he's in. | 0:18:33 | 0:18:36 | |
He's not coming. Tell them to fuck off. | 0:18:36 | 0:18:38 | |
Well, look, I'm a lawyer. What the fuck do I know about music? | 0:18:38 | 0:18:41 | |
I know about contracts. That's why they come to me. | 0:18:41 | 0:18:43 | |
Tell Mendez to fuck off. It's busy. | 0:18:43 | 0:18:45 | |
I mean managers back then were terrifying. Some were downright evil. | 0:18:45 | 0:18:48 | |
Thotch at that time were being managed by Big Basil Steel. | 0:18:48 | 0:18:52 | |
Big Basil Steel was a 6'3 ex-lion tamer. | 0:18:52 | 0:18:55 | |
Basil also had a reputation for cornering artists in his office | 0:18:55 | 0:18:58 | |
with a chair and a whip. | 0:18:58 | 0:19:00 | |
So they asked me to get him out, which I did. | 0:19:00 | 0:19:02 | |
I'm going to try and keep them. I'm a bit pushed for money. | 0:19:02 | 0:19:06 | |
It's cost me my job. | 0:19:06 | 0:19:08 | |
So if all the animal lovers, if they can put a few donations | 0:19:08 | 0:19:11 | |
towards me and the lion, cos we're hungry. | 0:19:11 | 0:19:14 | |
I am there to protect the interests of the artists and, | 0:19:17 | 0:19:20 | |
very often, the artists from themselves. | 0:19:20 | 0:19:22 | |
It is my job to say, "No," when they want to tour some ridiculous | 0:19:22 | 0:19:24 | |
country where people can't afford yoghurt let alone concert tickets, | 0:19:24 | 0:19:28 | |
or they want to put on some pretentious rock opera | 0:19:28 | 0:19:31 | |
starring the cast of Sherlock or something. | 0:19:31 | 0:19:33 | |
Get Gordon Ramsay on the phone. Tell him to fuck off, would you? | 0:19:33 | 0:19:36 | |
Cos I don't like him. | 0:19:38 | 0:19:39 | |
Right, Brian. | 0:19:41 | 0:19:44 | |
Wouldn't you know Eavis has called about you doing Glastonbury? | 0:19:44 | 0:19:46 | |
-It's all right, don't worry, I said no for you. -Well, what night? | 0:19:46 | 0:19:49 | |
-Saturday, closing. -What stage? -Pyramid. | 0:19:49 | 0:19:52 | |
Anyway, you don't want to be doing that, making a fool of yourself. | 0:19:52 | 0:19:55 | |
You're 62, you'd look like an idiot. And... | 0:19:55 | 0:19:59 | |
Yeah, you were asked to play a private concert | 0:19:59 | 0:20:01 | |
for the Qatar Royal family. One night only. | 0:20:01 | 0:20:03 | |
-You, Miley Cyrus, Beyonce, Gary Barlow and UB42. -Who's that? | 0:20:03 | 0:20:09 | |
UB42. It's UB40 with Mark King from Level 42 on bass. | 0:20:09 | 0:20:14 | |
-It was such an obscene amount of money I turned it down for you. -Why? | 0:20:14 | 0:20:17 | |
You've got to think about your reputation. | 0:20:17 | 0:20:20 | |
Yeah, but you managed Gary Barlow. | 0:20:20 | 0:20:21 | |
Yeah, but he doesn't care about his reputation. | 0:20:21 | 0:20:25 | |
Being the former frontman of a progressive rock band, | 0:20:25 | 0:20:28 | |
you'd think I would despise the next generation of rockers | 0:20:28 | 0:20:31 | |
who were determined to overthrow rock royalty. | 0:20:31 | 0:20:33 | |
On the contrary, these guys were a breath of not so much fresh | 0:20:33 | 0:20:36 | |
air bit feted air, with songs about abortion, anarchy and boredom. | 0:20:36 | 0:20:41 | |
They were, of course, The Wurzels. | 0:20:41 | 0:20:43 | |
# I am a cider drinker | 0:20:43 | 0:20:47 | |
# I drinks it all of the day... # | 0:20:47 | 0:20:49 | |
Then, of course, came the Sex Pistols, | 0:20:52 | 0:20:54 | |
who would change the face of music for ever... | 0:20:54 | 0:20:56 | |
Well, for a couple of years. | 0:20:56 | 0:20:58 | |
The trousers changed. Hairstyles changed. The venues change. | 0:21:01 | 0:21:06 | |
The promoters change. | 0:21:06 | 0:21:07 | |
Everyone had this attitude - no respect for the music. | 0:21:07 | 0:21:10 | |
-No respect for the... -What are you talking about? | 0:21:10 | 0:21:13 | |
No respect for the guile of the mandolin. | 0:21:13 | 0:21:14 | |
-No respect for the violin, the viola, the clarinet. -The woodwind. | 0:21:14 | 0:21:19 | |
Punk came about because the music industry became too indulgent. | 0:21:22 | 0:21:27 | |
You had producers, like me, | 0:21:28 | 0:21:31 | |
who were making this kind of overblown crap, you know, | 0:21:31 | 0:21:36 | |
that said nothing to the kids. | 0:21:36 | 0:21:38 | |
Then someone would come along, like me, | 0:21:38 | 0:21:42 | |
to really liven it up again. | 0:21:42 | 0:21:44 | |
We went to see... In disguise, obviously, because we'd be mobbed. | 0:21:48 | 0:21:52 | |
..the Sex Pistols in Middlesbrough, do you remember, in the Rock Garden? | 0:21:52 | 0:21:57 | |
Couldn't play a fucking note. | 0:21:57 | 0:21:59 | |
All my friends were punk rockers. | 0:22:01 | 0:22:02 | |
I listened to the Sex Pistols on John Peel. | 0:22:02 | 0:22:04 | |
I backcombed my hair, ripped up a T-shirt and all that kind of stuff. | 0:22:04 | 0:22:09 | |
Then a mate of mine played me the second Thotch album - Onion Divorce. | 0:22:09 | 0:22:15 | |
I was just hooked. | 0:22:15 | 0:22:16 | |
That meant that from about 1977 to 1981, | 0:22:16 | 0:22:20 | |
I was beaten up almost every day. | 0:22:20 | 0:22:22 | |
Punk made it fashionable to be badly behaved. | 0:22:25 | 0:22:28 | |
Before long, all rock stars were at it, | 0:22:28 | 0:22:30 | |
even those old enough to know better. | 0:22:30 | 0:22:32 | |
Back in the 1980s, I fronted a programme called Pop Quiz. | 0:22:34 | 0:22:37 | |
It was frothy, it was fun, it was good natured. | 0:22:38 | 0:22:42 | |
But, to be honest, | 0:22:42 | 0:22:43 | |
behind the scenes it was a heck of a lot darker than that. | 0:22:43 | 0:22:46 | |
Hello, welcome to a special Pop Quiz. | 0:22:48 | 0:22:50 | |
On this one, the teams are skippered by Leo Sayer. | 0:22:50 | 0:22:53 | |
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE | 0:22:53 | 0:22:55 | |
Guitar hero from Status Quo, Rick Parfitt. | 0:22:55 | 0:22:57 | |
It was a dodgy one, really, because we assumed, you know, | 0:23:00 | 0:23:02 | |
two people, they'd get on, it'd be OK. It really wasn't... | 0:23:02 | 0:23:06 | |
It was like a couple of heavyweights slugging it out. | 0:23:06 | 0:23:08 | |
There was a real problem between them. | 0:23:08 | 0:23:10 | |
We kick off with an individual round about this year's hits. | 0:23:10 | 0:23:13 | |
Leo, let's see how you do. | 0:23:13 | 0:23:14 | |
MUSIC: "Rocking All Over The World" by Status Quo | 0:23:14 | 0:23:17 | |
BUZZER SOUNDS | 0:23:17 | 0:23:19 | |
# Oh, here we are and here we are | 0:23:27 | 0:23:28 | |
# And here we go | 0:23:28 | 0:23:30 | |
# All aboard and we're hitting the road | 0:23:30 | 0:23:33 | |
# Here we go | 0:23:33 | 0:23:35 | |
# Rocking all over the world... # | 0:23:35 | 0:23:39 | |
Was that The Monkeys? | 0:23:39 | 0:23:41 | |
It wasn't. | 0:23:41 | 0:23:43 | |
It wasn't The Monkeys. AUDIENCE GROANS | 0:23:43 | 0:23:45 | |
It was Rick Parfitt. | 0:23:45 | 0:23:47 | |
-No, really? -It was. | 0:23:47 | 0:23:48 | |
It was a battle of the perms, really. | 0:23:50 | 0:23:52 | |
It was, you know, curlers, tongs at dawn. | 0:23:52 | 0:23:55 | |
Actually, I know him, cos he goes to my hairdresser. | 0:23:55 | 0:23:57 | |
I don't know whether Leo was being extra dry or not, | 0:24:00 | 0:24:03 | |
but Rick was absolutely livid. | 0:24:03 | 0:24:05 | |
I'll let you off if you can impersonate him. | 0:24:05 | 0:24:08 | |
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE | 0:24:13 | 0:24:15 | |
That's it. That's all you have to do. | 0:24:15 | 0:24:18 | |
Go on, go for it. | 0:24:18 | 0:24:19 | |
Yeah, things actually took a turn for the worst during the recording break. | 0:24:25 | 0:24:29 | |
Leo said something like, "You've got a fat nan." | 0:24:29 | 0:24:33 | |
Cut to the end of the show. | 0:24:33 | 0:24:34 | |
We're there in the green room, Parfitt, he's had a few. | 0:24:34 | 0:24:37 | |
Quite clearly, he went crazy. | 0:24:37 | 0:24:39 | |
Sayer, you bastard. No-one says I've got a fat nan. | 0:24:39 | 0:24:42 | |
He was foaming at the mouth. He was like a rabid goat. | 0:24:44 | 0:24:47 | |
I am the Parfitt. | 0:24:48 | 0:24:50 | |
No-one says I've got a fat nan, | 0:24:50 | 0:24:53 | |
you strange little man. | 0:24:53 | 0:24:54 | |
So, my friends, this is how Rock was born - | 0:24:57 | 0:25:00 | |
from jazz and blues to prog and punk. | 0:25:00 | 0:25:03 | |
But as rock itself grew older, | 0:25:03 | 0:25:05 | |
a midlife crisis was around the corner. | 0:25:05 | 0:25:08 | |
Question was, would it survive? | 0:25:08 | 0:25:10 | |
Find out next time on The Life Of Rock, with I, Brian Pern. | 0:25:10 | 0:25:15 | |
-I haven't told him about the cameras. -What? -I haven't... | 0:25:20 | 0:25:22 | |
-Here he is, here he is. -What's this for? | 0:25:22 | 0:25:24 | |
Oh, it's a Making Of for the DVD. | 0:25:25 | 0:25:27 | |
Nobody buys DVDs any more. Get out. | 0:25:28 | 0:25:31 | |
It's also going to be on the red button. | 0:25:31 | 0:25:33 | |
Nobody watches the red button stuff. Get out. | 0:25:33 | 0:25:35 | |
It's also going to go on the iPlayer, so... | 0:25:35 | 0:25:36 | |
It goes on the end of the actual episode or we don't do this thing. | 0:25:36 | 0:25:40 | |
And we get final cut and approval. | 0:25:40 | 0:25:42 | |
-I'll have to talk to someone about that. -No, you won't, no, you won't. | 0:25:42 | 0:25:45 | |
-It's done or this is over. Brian? -Yes. -Do you agree? | 0:25:45 | 0:25:47 | |
Well, I did give the guy 24/7 access. | 0:25:47 | 0:25:49 | |
I think it's important for my fans to see how my brain works, you know? | 0:25:49 | 0:25:52 | |
The life of an artist. | 0:25:52 | 0:25:54 | |
Right. Christ. | 0:25:56 | 0:25:57 | |
-What are you doing? -Just building a zoo. | 0:25:59 | 0:26:02 | |
I just bought a hippo enclosure. | 0:26:02 | 0:26:04 | |
-Oh, my daughter's got that game. -Oh, no, it's not a game. | 0:26:04 | 0:26:06 | |
I really am building a zoo just outside Frankfurt. | 0:26:06 | 0:26:09 | |
Thotch is still going on. We are Thotch. | 0:26:09 | 0:26:12 | |
Well, we wanted to keep the name going. | 0:26:12 | 0:26:14 | |
But Brian took us to court, and so we had to change the name to Thotch II. | 0:26:15 | 0:26:20 | |
But Pat didn't like that, so we had to change the name to Thotch III. | 0:26:22 | 0:26:28 | |
Then Tony didn't like Thotch III, | 0:26:30 | 0:26:32 | |
so we had to change it to Thotch IV. | 0:26:32 | 0:26:35 | |
Then John didn't like Thotch IV, | 0:26:37 | 0:26:41 | |
so now we're Thotch 5.0. | 0:26:41 | 0:26:45 | |
Which I quite like. | 0:26:45 | 0:26:46 | |
Tangerine Dream. | 0:26:48 | 0:26:49 | |
Yeah, when I was young, I dreamt the fucking tangerines, | 0:26:49 | 0:26:53 | |
because you couldn't get them in fucking Belfast | 0:26:53 | 0:26:55 | |
because there was a war on. | 0:26:55 | 0:26:56 | |
All right? Give me all your fucking gatefold sleeve shite. | 0:26:56 | 0:27:00 | |
I swear to sweet Jesus, man, | 0:27:00 | 0:27:01 | |
my arm would not get tired punching that twat. | 0:27:01 | 0:27:04 | |
Are you doing any Hootenannies? | 0:27:04 | 0:27:06 | |
The Hootenanny? Yeah. We do that once a year. | 0:27:06 | 0:27:08 | |
It's turned into the main show. | 0:27:08 | 0:27:10 | |
The great thing for me and the orchestra | 0:27:10 | 0:27:12 | |
is that we've had everybody.... | 0:27:12 | 0:27:14 | |
It's been such an honour in my career to have all | 0:27:14 | 0:27:16 | |
the greatest stars, the greatest names. | 0:27:16 | 0:27:17 | |
Everybody who is anybody has come an performed with us. | 0:27:17 | 0:27:20 | |
We really have had absolutely everyone. | 0:27:20 | 0:27:22 | |
I don't think there's anybody who's kind of a great star, | 0:27:22 | 0:27:26 | |
that hasn't been with us. That's the great thing about it. | 0:27:26 | 0:27:29 | |
-You haven't been on, have we? Have we ever asked you? -No. | 0:27:31 | 0:27:34 | |
No. No. Well... | 0:27:34 | 0:27:36 | |
Yeah. | 0:27:38 | 0:27:40 | |
It's a bit loud. | 0:27:40 | 0:27:41 | |
It's a bit loud. | 0:27:41 | 0:27:43 | |
You want it loud, do you? | 0:27:43 | 0:27:45 | |
Can you hear what I'm saying? | 0:27:46 | 0:27:48 | |
It won't go any louder. | 0:27:48 | 0:27:50 | |
You'll bust my eardrums. I don't want to end up like you. | 0:27:50 | 0:27:54 | |
What? What? | 0:27:54 | 0:27:55 | |
It's too loud. | 0:27:55 | 0:27:57 | |
What? | 0:27:57 | 0:27:58 | |
We're deep underground in a cave... | 0:27:58 | 0:28:00 | |
-Sorry. Sorry. -This is ridiculous. | 0:28:01 | 0:28:04 | |
Listen, we couldn't go to the actual place, but it looks fine on camera. | 0:28:04 | 0:28:08 | |
Oh, come off it. | 0:28:08 | 0:28:11 | |
# My love is a window And yours is a pane | 0:28:11 | 0:28:15 | |
# My love is uncertain Yours is a drain | 0:28:15 | 0:28:19 | |
# My love is a toaster Yours is a grill | 0:28:19 | 0:28:23 | |
# My love is healthy While yours is ill | 0:28:23 | 0:28:27 | |
# My love is a star buck Yours is a gut | 0:28:27 | 0:28:31 | |
# I want a snack But your fridge door is shut | 0:28:31 | 0:28:35 | |
# My love is modern Than yours is old | 0:28:35 | 0:28:39 | |
# My love is hot And yours is cold. # | 0:28:39 | 0:28:43 |