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It's more than 40 years since the original members of Thotch split. | 0:00:03 | 0:00:06 | |
They've always been adamant they'd never perform together again. | 0:00:06 | 0:00:09 | |
-Do you think you'll ever reform? -No. | 0:00:09 | 0:00:11 | |
I don't think we'll ever reform with Brian. | 0:00:11 | 0:00:15 | |
It's not something I have at the forefront | 0:00:15 | 0:00:18 | |
of my list of things to do. | 0:00:18 | 0:00:20 | |
Well, if Thotch ever did reform, which I can't see happening, | 0:00:20 | 0:00:23 | |
-I certainly wouldn't want to be a part of that. -Why not? -Cos they're awful people. Especially Pat. | 0:00:23 | 0:00:28 | |
Wouldn't piss on him if he was drowning. | 0:00:28 | 0:00:31 | |
Don't you mean if he was on fire? | 0:00:31 | 0:00:32 | |
Well, whatever. I wouldn't piss on him. | 0:00:32 | 0:00:35 | |
But this year, all that changed. | 0:00:38 | 0:00:41 | |
Some breaking news now. | 0:00:41 | 0:00:42 | |
NEWSCASTERS SPEAK THEIR OWN VARIOUS LANGUAGES | 0:00:42 | 0:00:46 | |
...Brian Pern and Thotch. | 0:00:46 | 0:00:49 | |
NEWSCASTERS SPEAK THEIR OWN VARIOUS LANGUAGES | 0:00:49 | 0:00:53 | |
Thotch are one of the greatest rock bands of all time. | 0:00:58 | 0:01:00 | |
They changed the face of music for ever and they even conquered Broadway with their jukebox musical. | 0:01:00 | 0:01:05 | |
-I am leaving the group. -What? | 0:01:05 | 0:01:08 | |
And now they're back together, but with a combined age | 0:01:08 | 0:01:10 | |
of 4,927 ¸ 15, can they pull off their biggest ever show? | 0:01:10 | 0:01:15 | |
SNORING | 0:01:15 | 0:01:17 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:01:20 | 0:01:22 | |
In December last year, the original members of Thotch | 0:01:23 | 0:01:26 | |
reunited for the first time in 44 years. | 0:01:26 | 0:01:29 | |
However, it wasn't at Wembley Stadium - | 0:01:29 | 0:01:31 | |
it was the Royal Courts of Justice. | 0:01:31 | 0:01:33 | |
Long story short, | 0:01:33 | 0:01:35 | |
Thotch's first manager - Basil Steele, big Basil Steele - | 0:01:35 | 0:01:37 | |
sued for non-payment of royalties dating back to 1975. | 0:01:37 | 0:01:40 | |
He claimed he'd created the name Thotch | 0:01:40 | 0:01:42 | |
and the font in which it was written. | 0:01:42 | 0:01:45 | |
-And did he? -Irrelevant. | 0:01:45 | 0:01:47 | |
The jury thought so, so we were fucked. | 0:01:47 | 0:01:49 | |
Do you know what really pissed me off that day? | 0:01:49 | 0:01:51 | |
It was the artist's impression of me in court. | 0:01:51 | 0:01:53 | |
I had a serious double chin. I mean, do I? | 0:01:53 | 0:01:57 | |
So, Pat, why have you decided to reform after all this time? | 0:01:57 | 0:02:00 | |
-I mean, is it for financial reasons? -Mmm. -Is it for the fans? -Mmm. | 0:02:00 | 0:02:03 | |
-You said you'd never get back together again. -Mmm. | 0:02:03 | 0:02:06 | |
-Have you put... -Mmm. -..your past behind you? -Mmm. -Are you friends now? -Mmm. | 0:02:06 | 0:02:09 | |
Mmm. | 0:02:09 | 0:02:10 | |
John Farris suggested a one-off reunion | 0:02:10 | 0:02:12 | |
of the classic line-up to cover the legal costs and make enough money... | 0:02:12 | 0:02:16 | |
..you know, to retire for good. | 0:02:17 | 0:02:19 | |
Typically, fucking Brian puts a spanner in the fucking works. | 0:02:19 | 0:02:23 | |
The band want you to reconsider the reunion concert. | 0:02:23 | 0:02:27 | |
Sorry, John. My answer is still no. Pepita is due around the proposed date of the concert. | 0:02:27 | 0:02:31 | |
This time around, I'm determined to be a good father. | 0:02:31 | 0:02:33 | |
I'm sure they can do it without me. | 0:02:33 | 0:02:35 | |
Well, it's the...it's the classic line-up everyone wants to see, | 0:02:35 | 0:02:39 | |
Brian, otherwise it's like Wham! reforming without George Michael. | 0:02:39 | 0:02:42 | |
I mean, each of you could get a million just for one night. | 0:02:42 | 0:02:46 | |
As you know, John, money's not my god. | 0:02:46 | 0:02:49 | |
-Happiness is what counts. -Mmm. | 0:02:49 | 0:02:51 | |
There is something else. | 0:02:54 | 0:02:56 | |
I mean, I'm not supposed to say anything, but... | 0:02:56 | 0:02:59 | |
When does this go out? | 0:02:59 | 0:03:00 | |
Er, it's not till the middle of next year. | 0:03:00 | 0:03:03 | |
Oh, that's all right, then. He'll be well gone by then. | 0:03:03 | 0:03:05 | |
-Pat's got dementia. -What? -Mmm. | 0:03:05 | 0:03:09 | |
-Well, how is he? -Well, he's OK, considering. | 0:03:09 | 0:03:12 | |
It's early days, you know. | 0:03:12 | 0:03:13 | |
But he wants to carry on while he can, | 0:03:13 | 0:03:15 | |
cos he doesn't know how long he's got. | 0:03:15 | 0:03:18 | |
No, of course. I understand. | 0:03:18 | 0:03:20 | |
Which is why this reunion concert is so important to him. | 0:03:20 | 0:03:23 | |
But don't worry. | 0:03:23 | 0:03:24 | |
I mean, if you don't want to do it, I'm sure he'll understand. | 0:03:24 | 0:03:28 | |
HE SIGHS | 0:03:28 | 0:03:30 | |
I'll give him a call, then, shall I, and tell him it's definitely off? | 0:03:33 | 0:03:36 | |
-Mmm. -Mmm. | 0:03:36 | 0:03:38 | |
I'll break it to him gently, cos he's had | 0:03:41 | 0:03:44 | |
so many disappointments just recently. | 0:03:44 | 0:03:48 | |
What with losing the dog... | 0:03:48 | 0:03:49 | |
-..and his son joining Ukip. -Oh! | 0:03:51 | 0:03:54 | |
And his solo album not charting. | 0:03:54 | 0:03:57 | |
OK, John, I'll do it. Of course I will. | 0:03:57 | 0:03:59 | |
OK. If you're sure. | 0:03:59 | 0:04:01 | |
But don't tell him I said anything, cos...not supposed to mention it. | 0:04:01 | 0:04:04 | |
He doesn't want any special treatment. | 0:04:04 | 0:04:06 | |
Oh, John! | 0:04:06 | 0:04:08 | |
Pat! Pat! | 0:04:08 | 0:04:10 | |
To understand how Thotch got into this mess, | 0:04:10 | 0:04:13 | |
you have to go right back to the very beginning. | 0:04:13 | 0:04:15 | |
We were all born in post-war Britain to very wealthy parents, | 0:04:19 | 0:04:23 | |
which was a huge disadvantage to us. | 0:04:23 | 0:04:25 | |
We were shipped off to Stow, where we met. | 0:04:26 | 0:04:28 | |
Well, pop music was frowned upon at Stow, along with happiness | 0:04:28 | 0:04:32 | |
and heterosexuality. | 0:04:32 | 0:04:33 | |
The first incarnation of Thotch featured Pat Quid, Tony Pebble, | 0:04:33 | 0:04:37 | |
yours truly, Barry Padmore and Bennet St John on percussion. | 0:04:37 | 0:04:42 | |
That's when we packed our bags | 0:04:42 | 0:04:44 | |
and moved to London to make a go of ourselves. | 0:04:44 | 0:04:47 | |
In 1971, against their parents' wishes, | 0:04:47 | 0:04:50 | |
Brian, Tony and Pat left their studies behind | 0:04:50 | 0:04:52 | |
to focus on the music. | 0:04:52 | 0:04:54 | |
With their allowances severed, they set up a stall | 0:04:54 | 0:04:56 | |
in London's fashionable Kensington Market to make ends meet. | 0:04:56 | 0:05:00 | |
Cor, what a laugh Ken Market was. | 0:05:00 | 0:05:01 | |
Absolutely jam-packed with muff of all description. | 0:05:01 | 0:05:05 | |
You couldn't fail to pull in there. | 0:05:05 | 0:05:06 | |
It was like shooting fish fingers in a barrel. | 0:05:06 | 0:05:08 | |
Ken Market, as we called it, in the late '60s, early '70s, | 0:05:08 | 0:05:12 | |
was so exciting, it was full of people that went on to do all | 0:05:12 | 0:05:15 | |
these amazing creative things. | 0:05:15 | 0:05:17 | |
Hank Marvin from the Shadows had a broken biscuit stall. | 0:05:17 | 0:05:20 | |
He would just set up in a corner with these tins of broken biscuits. | 0:05:20 | 0:05:23 | |
He would shake them, like that. | 0:05:23 | 0:05:25 | |
And that would attract people, and then he'd sell the biscuits. | 0:05:25 | 0:05:28 | |
Alan Sugar, he sold mousetraps. | 0:05:28 | 0:05:30 | |
Horrible man, always farting in his hand and putting it in your face. | 0:05:30 | 0:05:33 | |
Disgusting. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:34 | |
A couple of guys from Queen had stalls. | 0:05:34 | 0:05:36 | |
I had a clothes stall next to Freddie Mercury and Roger Taylor on one side, | 0:05:36 | 0:05:39 | |
Brian Pern, Tony Pebble on the other. | 0:05:39 | 0:05:42 | |
It was like being the filling in a rock and roll sandwich. | 0:05:42 | 0:05:45 | |
So you had a market stall next to Brian and Tony. | 0:05:45 | 0:05:47 | |
-Did you get on with them at all? -No. | 0:05:47 | 0:05:49 | |
No, well, we couldn't really stand them. | 0:05:50 | 0:05:53 | |
Pat had a stall selling meat. He got the wrong idea. | 0:05:53 | 0:05:56 | |
I was mocked for selling meat in Kensington Market, | 0:05:56 | 0:05:59 | |
which was primarily a fashion and art outlet, | 0:05:59 | 0:06:01 | |
but it was my ham hock | 0:06:01 | 0:06:04 | |
that got us a manager, and that of course was Basil Steel. | 0:06:04 | 0:06:07 | |
At first, I thought they were all noofters. | 0:06:07 | 0:06:10 | |
Anyway, I buy myself some ham hock on the bone from their stall | 0:06:10 | 0:06:13 | |
in Kensington Market. | 0:06:13 | 0:06:14 | |
Brian introduced himself by saying he's in a band | 0:06:14 | 0:06:17 | |
and they gave me a copy of their demos on this two inch tape. | 0:06:17 | 0:06:21 | |
I tasted a bit of the ham, which was pretty fucking tasty. | 0:06:21 | 0:06:24 | |
I said, "If your demos are as good as this ham, I'll take you on." | 0:06:24 | 0:06:29 | |
And they were. | 0:06:29 | 0:06:30 | |
Big Basil Steel was a notorious rock manager | 0:06:30 | 0:06:33 | |
with very unconventional business methods, | 0:06:33 | 0:06:35 | |
often including violence and bribery, | 0:06:35 | 0:06:37 | |
who started life in the circus. | 0:06:37 | 0:06:39 | |
Early on, I was managing the acts, | 0:06:39 | 0:06:41 | |
organising the sea lions, the chimps, | 0:06:41 | 0:06:43 | |
getting the elephants in order. | 0:06:43 | 0:06:45 | |
Elephants are wankers - silly fuckers. | 0:06:45 | 0:06:48 | |
Their intelligence is well overrated. | 0:06:48 | 0:06:50 | |
Lions are OK, but you don't cross them, or you're fucked. | 0:06:50 | 0:06:54 | |
When I went into this business, I learned a lot from the lions. | 0:06:54 | 0:06:57 | |
You never know if I was going to lick your face or bite it off. | 0:06:57 | 0:07:01 | |
Thotch were a risk for Basil, | 0:07:01 | 0:07:03 | |
because they weren't like any other group at the time. | 0:07:03 | 0:07:06 | |
They didn't fit any category. | 0:07:06 | 0:07:08 | |
I remember the first concert they headlined | 0:07:08 | 0:07:10 | |
was the Atomic Festival of Sound in 1970. | 0:07:10 | 0:07:13 | |
Jethro fucking Tull originally hit the top of the bill. | 0:07:13 | 0:07:16 | |
Well, I wasn't having that. | 0:07:16 | 0:07:18 | |
So I grabbed that Ian Anderson by the throat, I said, | 0:07:18 | 0:07:20 | |
"Fucking piss off home, | 0:07:20 | 0:07:22 | |
"or I'll shove that flute so far up your shit pipe | 0:07:22 | 0:07:25 | |
"you'll be farting Greensleeves till Christmas." | 0:07:25 | 0:07:28 | |
So he did, and that's how we got Thotch on the bill. | 0:07:28 | 0:07:32 | |
By 1975 we'd had several hit albums. | 0:07:32 | 0:07:35 | |
Sold out the Rainbow, Earls Court, Hammersmith Odeon, | 0:07:35 | 0:07:38 | |
but still had nothing to show for it, | 0:07:38 | 0:07:39 | |
but Basil was having a new swimming pool built | 0:07:39 | 0:07:41 | |
and driving around in two fucking Rolls Royces | 0:07:41 | 0:07:44 | |
at the same fucking time. Get it? | 0:07:44 | 0:07:46 | |
How did he do that? | 0:07:48 | 0:07:50 | |
Well, he... I dunno, he had, must...I dunno. Fuck me. | 0:07:50 | 0:07:54 | |
There he was in one and then he was in another. Unbelievable. | 0:07:54 | 0:07:57 | |
Now, you sued them over the Thotch font. | 0:07:57 | 0:07:59 | |
That's right, I created numerous fonts as a sideline | 0:07:59 | 0:08:03 | |
back in the day for when I sent death threats, | 0:08:03 | 0:08:05 | |
so they weren't traced. | 0:08:05 | 0:08:07 | |
OK, so... And which fonts did you create? | 0:08:07 | 0:08:09 | |
Many. Comic Sans, Wingdings, Garamond Bold | 0:08:09 | 0:08:14 | |
and Pumice Disaster, | 0:08:14 | 0:08:15 | |
which is what the Thotch logo was written in and still is. | 0:08:15 | 0:08:20 | |
Every album, single, CD, DVD, T-shirt, | 0:08:20 | 0:08:24 | |
drum riser, badge, an umbrella sold with my font is mine! | 0:08:24 | 0:08:28 | |
And I want fucking paying for it! | 0:08:28 | 0:08:30 | |
In order to pay for it, | 0:08:32 | 0:08:33 | |
current manager John Farrow has ditched the old font | 0:08:33 | 0:08:36 | |
and is determined to make as much money as possible | 0:08:36 | 0:08:38 | |
out of the reunion. | 0:08:38 | 0:08:39 | |
Merchandise, for your approval. | 0:08:39 | 0:08:41 | |
This is the Thotch Russian doll, collectors edition. | 0:08:41 | 0:08:45 | |
It's going retail at 300 quid. | 0:08:45 | 0:08:47 | |
You've got Tony, Barry, you've got Mike, | 0:08:47 | 0:08:50 | |
you've got Pat and finally, you've got Brian, | 0:08:50 | 0:08:53 | |
who turns out to be a USB stick with every Thotch song ever recorded. | 0:08:53 | 0:08:59 | |
God, that's great. It's amazing what they can do nowadays, isn't it? | 0:08:59 | 0:09:02 | |
-I'm not happy with the running order of the dolls. -Why? | 0:09:02 | 0:09:05 | |
Because it implies that the size of us | 0:09:05 | 0:09:08 | |
as dolls is relative to the contribution we made to the band, | 0:09:08 | 0:09:11 | |
so after Tony, Barry's the second biggest doll, | 0:09:11 | 0:09:13 | |
yet he left the band after the second album, he's never written or sung a note. | 0:09:13 | 0:09:17 | |
Pat, does it really matter? | 0:09:17 | 0:09:18 | |
Well, obviously not to you, you're the biggest doll. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:20 | |
Pat, I am the smallest doll, yet I am not complaining. | 0:09:20 | 0:09:23 | |
Yes, well you house the flash drive | 0:09:23 | 0:09:25 | |
containing our entire back catalogue. | 0:09:25 | 0:09:27 | |
It's as though your head is the key to all our music, | 0:09:27 | 0:09:30 | |
yet you left the band in 1977. | 0:09:30 | 0:09:31 | |
So what order would you like the dolls in then, Pat? | 0:09:31 | 0:09:34 | |
I'm guessing you instead of me. Is this where all this is going? | 0:09:34 | 0:09:37 | |
Well, why don't we just make it alphabetical? | 0:09:37 | 0:09:39 | |
That will make you first. No, no, I'm not having that. | 0:09:39 | 0:09:42 | |
Look, we're a democratic group. | 0:09:42 | 0:09:43 | |
Why don't we just have all the dolls the same size? | 0:09:43 | 0:09:47 | |
They wouldn't fit into each other then, would they? | 0:09:47 | 0:09:49 | |
Tell you what, forget it. | 0:09:49 | 0:09:51 | |
You'll never see the fucking thing again. | 0:09:51 | 0:09:54 | |
Let's talk about 1977, the time when you left Thotch. | 0:09:54 | 0:09:57 | |
What was the catalyst for you saying, | 0:09:57 | 0:10:00 | |
"I've had enough of this, it's time to go"? | 0:10:00 | 0:10:02 | |
We were on tour. | 0:10:02 | 0:10:03 | |
We were supporting Earth, Wind & Fire | 0:10:03 | 0:10:05 | |
and the audiences were just hating us. | 0:10:05 | 0:10:08 | |
They came to dance, they came to party | 0:10:08 | 0:10:09 | |
and there we were doing 14-minute songs about caterpillars and farmers | 0:10:09 | 0:10:14 | |
and they were pretty angry with us. | 0:10:14 | 0:10:16 | |
We were lucky in some venues to get out alive. | 0:10:16 | 0:10:18 | |
So one of the guys from Earth, Wind & Fire came up backstage. | 0:10:18 | 0:10:23 | |
It could have been Earth or Wind. I don't remember. | 0:10:23 | 0:10:25 | |
It was a big black guy in a silver suit and he said, | 0:10:25 | 0:10:29 | |
"Hey, man, you gotta change your sound, man." | 0:10:29 | 0:10:32 | |
And Pat thought on his feet, and he wrote this rocking track. | 0:10:32 | 0:10:37 | |
# Civic Center in Portland, Maine | 0:10:37 | 0:10:41 | |
# April 8th's gonna be insane... # | 0:10:41 | 0:10:44 | |
How did the lyrics come about? | 0:10:44 | 0:10:45 | |
Because it's very... It's the most un-Thotch song I've ever heard. | 0:10:45 | 0:10:49 | |
Pat just picked up one of our T-shirts, | 0:10:49 | 0:10:51 | |
turned it around and read the list of towns we were playing, | 0:10:51 | 0:10:54 | |
and that was it. | 0:10:54 | 0:10:55 | |
# We'll rock you, Philly | 0:10:55 | 0:10:57 | |
# Tennessee | 0:10:57 | 0:10:59 | |
# Ohio, Atlanta and Washington, DC | 0:10:59 | 0:11:02 | |
# Gonna meet ya | 0:11:05 | 0:11:07 | |
# In a Happy Eater | 0:11:09 | 0:11:11 | |
# Rock the night | 0:11:11 | 0:11:13 | |
# At Spudulike | 0:11:14 | 0:11:16 | |
# Brian on mic | 0:11:17 | 0:11:19 | |
# And Mike on drums | 0:11:19 | 0:11:21 | |
# Pebble on keys | 0:11:21 | 0:11:23 | |
# And Barry on thumbs | 0:11:23 | 0:11:25 | |
# Don't forget Quiddy | 0:11:25 | 0:11:26 | |
# The king of guitar | 0:11:26 | 0:11:28 | |
# We'll rock and roll you | 0:11:28 | 0:11:30 | |
# Wherever you are. # | 0:11:30 | 0:11:31 | |
When I sang that song that Pat wrote, | 0:11:31 | 0:11:34 | |
I could feel every drop of musical integrity draining out of me | 0:11:34 | 0:11:39 | |
and, at the end, I would be completely spent. | 0:11:39 | 0:11:42 | |
I thought, "This is not me. | 0:11:42 | 0:11:44 | |
"This is not Thotch. | 0:11:44 | 0:11:45 | |
"I'm like a bird. | 0:11:45 | 0:11:47 | |
"I've got to fly away." | 0:11:47 | 0:11:48 | |
That's nice. | 0:11:48 | 0:11:50 | |
Thotch went on to record ten chart-topping albums without Brian | 0:11:52 | 0:11:55 | |
until they finally split in 1996. | 0:11:55 | 0:11:58 | |
Since then, the band have all gone on to produce diverse solo projects. | 0:11:59 | 0:12:03 | |
Brian invented world music, had a string of hit singles | 0:12:03 | 0:12:06 | |
and a bit of an acting career. | 0:12:06 | 0:12:08 | |
TARDIS. | 0:12:08 | 0:12:09 | |
Infinite travel within my grasp. | 0:12:09 | 0:12:11 | |
Oh, no, Gravis, please. | 0:12:11 | 0:12:13 | |
Take everything else, but leave me the TARDIS! | 0:12:13 | 0:12:15 | |
I will have it. | 0:12:15 | 0:12:17 | |
Tony Pebble composed numerous theme tunes for children's telly, | 0:12:17 | 0:12:20 | |
including this for BBC Schools and Colleges. | 0:12:20 | 0:12:23 | |
Barry and Mike put a lot of time and money into business investments, | 0:12:25 | 0:12:28 | |
especially board games. | 0:12:28 | 0:12:29 | |
We used to do a lot of hanging around whilst the others argued, | 0:12:29 | 0:12:32 | |
so we started inventing board games on the side. | 0:12:32 | 0:12:34 | |
Boggle, that was one of ours. | 0:12:34 | 0:12:36 | |
Mousetrap, that was one of ours. | 0:12:36 | 0:12:39 | |
Hungry Hippos, that was one of ours. | 0:12:39 | 0:12:42 | |
Pop-up Pirate, that was one of ours. | 0:12:42 | 0:12:44 | |
Frustration, that was one of ours too. | 0:12:44 | 0:12:47 | |
In fact, I came up with a great game just yesterday called Crazy Mule. | 0:12:47 | 0:12:51 | |
It's a never-know-when-it's-going-tobuck | 0:12:51 | 0:12:53 | |
sort of stacking game where you load up a plastic mule | 0:12:53 | 0:12:56 | |
with a blanket, saddle and other items | 0:12:56 | 0:12:58 | |
and be gentle, or he might just buck it all off. | 0:12:58 | 0:13:01 | |
Mm. | 0:13:01 | 0:13:02 | |
Isn't that just Buckaroo? | 0:13:02 | 0:13:04 | |
Shit. | 0:13:06 | 0:13:08 | |
Pat Quid fronted the chart-toppingly bland Pat And The Patios | 0:13:08 | 0:13:12 | |
and made several albums. | 0:13:12 | 0:13:13 | |
He recently turned to television presenting. | 0:13:13 | 0:13:16 | |
Pat rang me up one night saying, | 0:13:16 | 0:13:17 | |
"Brian Pern's got his rock documentary, | 0:13:17 | 0:13:19 | |
"Brian May's hosting The Sky At Night, | 0:13:19 | 0:13:21 | |
"Ronnie Wood's got his own chat show on Sky Arts. | 0:13:21 | 0:13:24 | |
"Why can't I have my..." I said, "Well, come up with an idea, then." | 0:13:24 | 0:13:27 | |
Hi... | 0:13:40 | 0:13:41 | |
..and welcome to Fishing With Rock Stars, | 0:13:43 | 0:13:45 | |
hosted by me, as ever, Pat Quid. | 0:13:45 | 0:13:48 | |
And today we're very fortunate to have with us | 0:13:48 | 0:13:51 | |
rock legend Noddy Holder. | 0:13:51 | 0:13:54 | |
Perfect fishing weather, Pat, today. Yeah, perfect. | 0:13:54 | 0:13:57 | |
Welcome to the show, Nod. We're fishing in a canal today. | 0:13:57 | 0:14:00 | |
-Oh, yes. I can see, yes. -So without... | 0:14:00 | 0:14:01 | |
-Yeah, without further ado, let's... Let's fish. -Let's fish, yeah. | 0:14:01 | 0:14:04 | |
THUNDER RUMBLES | 0:14:25 | 0:14:27 | |
Well, unfortunately, Noddy and I didn't have much luck today, | 0:14:37 | 0:14:41 | |
but do join me next week | 0:14:41 | 0:14:42 | |
when I'll be with Adele and Fish from Marillion | 0:14:42 | 0:14:46 | |
in Gloucestershire. | 0:14:46 | 0:14:47 | |
Hello. | 0:14:50 | 0:14:51 | |
My parents were killed in a fire. | 0:14:51 | 0:14:53 | |
Will you be my daddy? | 0:14:53 | 0:14:54 | |
No. | 0:14:55 | 0:14:57 | |
No. | 0:14:57 | 0:14:59 | |
No! | 0:14:59 | 0:15:00 | |
Are you sure? | 0:15:00 | 0:15:02 | |
Yes. Yes. Yes. | 0:15:02 | 0:15:06 | |
I don't want to play with you any more. | 0:15:06 | 0:15:09 | |
You're just like the boy that lives over the wall. | 0:15:09 | 0:15:13 | |
This is Eggless Planet. | 0:15:13 | 0:15:14 | |
Although the band may be at peace in rehearsals, | 0:15:21 | 0:15:24 | |
a war is about to begin on the world's bookshelves and Kindles, | 0:15:24 | 0:15:29 | |
as John Farrow has persuaded all five members | 0:15:29 | 0:15:31 | |
to publish their autobiographies to coincide with the reunion concert. | 0:15:31 | 0:15:36 | |
They're all so bloody competitive. | 0:15:37 | 0:15:39 | |
They've all got books coming out this year, | 0:15:39 | 0:15:41 | |
and these days, it's not just about who sells the most | 0:15:41 | 0:15:43 | |
or who gets the best reviews, | 0:15:43 | 0:15:44 | |
it's also about who gets the most famous actor doing the audio book. | 0:15:44 | 0:15:48 | |
Now, look what's come in. | 0:15:48 | 0:15:49 | |
-Oh. -The autobiography. | 0:15:49 | 0:15:52 | |
Any more thoughts on who you want to do the audio book? | 0:15:52 | 0:15:54 | |
I did, John, yes. I thought I would do it. | 0:15:54 | 0:15:58 | |
You'd probably want people to listen to it, though, wouldn't you? | 0:15:58 | 0:16:01 | |
Well, yes, of course. | 0:16:01 | 0:16:02 | |
Then I think you should have somebody who could make it sound | 0:16:02 | 0:16:06 | |
a bit interesting. | 0:16:06 | 0:16:07 | |
But I am the author, John. These are my words. | 0:16:07 | 0:16:09 | |
But this is a rock biography, it's not a relaxation tape, | 0:16:09 | 0:16:12 | |
unless you're happy with people | 0:16:12 | 0:16:13 | |
being asleep while you're reading it? | 0:16:13 | 0:16:15 | |
Well, who did you have in mind? | 0:16:15 | 0:16:16 | |
-Brian. -Oh, hi! Hi. -How are you? -Sorry. | 0:16:16 | 0:16:19 | |
-How's it going? Nice to see you. -And you. | 0:16:19 | 0:16:21 | |
-You all right? Hello, there. -Good, good. This is Alan. | 0:16:21 | 0:16:24 | |
Hello, Alan. Nice one. Martin. How are you doing? Nice to meet you. | 0:16:24 | 0:16:27 | |
-Thanks for coming. -Thanks for asking me. | 0:16:27 | 0:16:29 | |
I was very pleasantly surprised. | 0:16:29 | 0:16:31 | |
I hope what's done is forgotten. | 0:16:31 | 0:16:33 | |
-No, don't worry about that. -Are you sure? -Yeah. | 0:16:33 | 0:16:35 | |
-Have you read the book? -I have in a way, yeah, yeah. It's good, yeah. | 0:16:35 | 0:16:38 | |
-Great. OK... -Can I get the embarrassing bit out the way first? | 0:16:38 | 0:16:41 | |
Can I get you... If you wouldn't mind, sign this | 0:16:41 | 0:16:44 | |
for a very good friend of mine. He's a huge fan of yours | 0:16:44 | 0:16:46 | |
and yours is the only name from the band not on it. | 0:16:46 | 0:16:49 | |
-Would you do that? -Mm. | 0:16:49 | 0:16:51 | |
This is a bootleg. | 0:16:51 | 0:16:52 | |
-Whoa, is it? -Yeah. Where did you purchase this? | 0:16:52 | 0:16:55 | |
I didn't... No, as I say, it's a friend of mine. | 0:16:55 | 0:16:57 | |
Would you still sign it, though? | 0:16:57 | 0:16:59 | |
Because it's for McKellen, he's a huge fan. | 0:16:59 | 0:17:01 | |
I don't care who it's for, Martin. | 0:17:01 | 0:17:04 | |
I've been fighting these bootleggers for years. | 0:17:04 | 0:17:06 | |
I totally understand that. | 0:17:06 | 0:17:08 | |
I'm very happy to... What would that be? 40, 50 quid? | 0:17:08 | 0:17:10 | |
Hey, come on, it's not about the money, Martin. It's the products. | 0:17:10 | 0:17:13 | |
-Yep. -I mean, this album's not mixed properly. There's no overdubs. | 0:17:13 | 0:17:16 | |
-You know, the artwork is unofficial. Look at the lettering here. -Yes. | 0:17:16 | 0:17:19 | |
-They've spelt divorce with an S. -Oh, shit, yeah. | 0:17:19 | 0:17:22 | |
I don't get a penny out of this either. | 0:17:22 | 0:17:23 | |
-I thought it wasn't about the money. -God, bastards. | 0:17:23 | 0:17:27 | |
-Yeah. -No. I can't sign that. -No, OK. Thanks. | 0:17:27 | 0:17:31 | |
Oh, that's really made me angry. | 0:17:31 | 0:17:33 | |
I cant believe the other members of Thotch signed that. | 0:17:33 | 0:17:36 | |
45 Years Of Prog And Roll by Brian Pern, | 0:17:36 | 0:17:39 | |
read by Martin Freeman. | 0:17:39 | 0:17:42 | |
Chapter One - Inside The Womb. | 0:17:42 | 0:17:44 | |
Long before I was born, I had rhythm. | 0:17:44 | 0:17:47 | |
I felt it whilst living in the uterus. | 0:17:47 | 0:17:49 | |
Can I stop you there, Martin? | 0:17:49 | 0:17:51 | |
I've got a bit of a problem with that. | 0:17:51 | 0:17:52 | |
Oh, OK, what's wrong? | 0:17:52 | 0:17:54 | |
Well, you just sound like Martin Freeman reading a book. | 0:17:54 | 0:17:56 | |
Well, I am Martin Freeman reading a book. | 0:17:56 | 0:17:58 | |
Well, I realise that, but the trouble is it's confusing | 0:17:58 | 0:18:01 | |
because if people listen to that and don't hear the beginning, | 0:18:01 | 0:18:04 | |
they'll just think it's Martin Freeman | 0:18:04 | 0:18:06 | |
reading his own autobiography. | 0:18:06 | 0:18:07 | |
-OK. -Do you have a different voice? | 0:18:07 | 0:18:09 | |
-A different voice? -Mm. | 0:18:09 | 0:18:10 | |
-Like what? -I don't know. | 0:18:10 | 0:18:12 | |
Something less Martin Freeman-ish. | 0:18:12 | 0:18:14 | |
I mean, this is my book, these are my words, | 0:18:14 | 0:18:16 | |
-try and get inside my head. -OK. | 0:18:16 | 0:18:19 | |
-AS PERN: -45 Years Of Prog And Roll by Brian Pern, | 0:18:19 | 0:18:22 | |
read by Martin Freeman. | 0:18:22 | 0:18:24 | |
-Nope. Can I stop you there? -Sure. | 0:18:24 | 0:18:25 | |
That sounds like Brian Pern doing an impression of Martin Freeman. | 0:18:25 | 0:18:29 | |
It was meant to be me doing a voice that sounded more like yours. | 0:18:29 | 0:18:31 | |
I'm sorry if I misunderstood that. | 0:18:31 | 0:18:33 | |
Can you do something a bit different? | 0:18:33 | 0:18:34 | |
Yeah, sure, like what? | 0:18:34 | 0:18:36 | |
Something more neutral. | 0:18:36 | 0:18:37 | |
Erm... Sorry, yeah, neutral doesn't mean much, though. | 0:18:37 | 0:18:42 | |
Well, just a different voice entirely. | 0:18:42 | 0:18:44 | |
-A different voice entirely? -Yeah. | 0:18:44 | 0:18:46 | |
Do you have a voice that you have? | 0:18:46 | 0:18:48 | |
I've got lots of voices. To be honest, mate, I've... | 0:18:48 | 0:18:50 | |
Take a voice from your head and try it. | 0:18:50 | 0:18:53 | |
-Ready? -Yep. | 0:18:53 | 0:18:54 | |
-IN WELSH ACCENT: -45 Years Of Prog And Roll by Brian Pern, | 0:18:54 | 0:18:57 | |
read by Martin Freeman. | 0:18:57 | 0:18:58 | |
Chapter one - Inside The Womb. | 0:18:58 | 0:19:00 | |
-Hello. I like that. -Do you? -Yeah. | 0:19:00 | 0:19:01 | |
Brian, surely the point of getting me in to read your book | 0:19:01 | 0:19:04 | |
is because I sound like Martin Freeman. | 0:19:04 | 0:19:06 | |
-Really? -Yeah. | 0:19:06 | 0:19:08 | |
Yes, but I like the Welsh voice. | 0:19:08 | 0:19:09 | |
You're not Welsh and neither am I, so what sense does that make? | 0:19:09 | 0:19:12 | |
-Doesn't matter. -Doesn't it? -People know my music, | 0:19:12 | 0:19:14 | |
-that's the important thing... -Fuck me. -..and know my face, | 0:19:14 | 0:19:16 | |
which'll be on the cover of the book. | 0:19:16 | 0:19:18 | |
It's not actually in the audiobook. | 0:19:18 | 0:19:20 | |
It's going to need something that is relatable to. | 0:19:20 | 0:19:22 | |
If I do a bad Welsh accent, Brian, how is that you or me? | 0:19:22 | 0:19:25 | |
Do it again - Welsh - | 0:19:25 | 0:19:27 | |
but I want it done with more gravitas. | 0:19:27 | 0:19:29 | |
With a... Do it as if you were one of the great Welsh actors. | 0:19:29 | 0:19:32 | |
-One of the great Welsh actors? -Yeah. | 0:19:32 | 0:19:33 | |
-Like Anthony Hopkins? -Perfect. | 0:19:33 | 0:19:35 | |
-Perfect. You want Anthony Hopkins. -Yes, that would be good. Try that. | 0:19:35 | 0:19:38 | |
I tell you what, why don't you fucking hire Anthony Hopkins? | 0:19:38 | 0:19:40 | |
Then we'll all be a lot happier. Jesus Christ! | 0:19:40 | 0:19:43 | |
Can we hire Anthony Hopkins or will he be too expensive? | 0:19:43 | 0:19:45 | |
Do me a favour will you, Brian? | 0:19:45 | 0:19:47 | |
Lose my number. | 0:19:47 | 0:19:48 | |
Oh, I don't have your number, I don't think, so I can't... | 0:19:48 | 0:19:51 | |
-DOOR CLOSES -..lose it. | 0:19:51 | 0:19:53 | |
Actors. Pfft. | 0:19:53 | 0:19:54 | |
With the reunion concert imminent, extra tickets have been released, | 0:19:56 | 0:19:59 | |
which sold out in a record-breaking minus 24 days. | 0:19:59 | 0:20:03 | |
The Thotch reunion concert with the classic line-up | 0:20:03 | 0:20:06 | |
has to be one of the most anticipated events in rock history. | 0:20:06 | 0:20:10 | |
Apart from Live Aid, Live 8, | 0:20:10 | 0:20:13 | |
the Led Zeppelin reunion concert, the Cream reunion concert, | 0:20:13 | 0:20:16 | |
the Police reunion concert and a few others. | 0:20:16 | 0:20:18 | |
Despite the buzz surrounding the concert, | 0:20:20 | 0:20:22 | |
the signs of Pat's illness are beginning to show. | 0:20:22 | 0:20:25 | |
And it's hitting Brian hard. | 0:20:25 | 0:20:26 | |
Pat's brain is dying. | 0:20:27 | 0:20:29 | |
He doesn't know what he's doing. | 0:20:29 | 0:20:31 | |
The other day he played a guitar solo | 0:20:31 | 0:20:33 | |
for about an hour and 40 minutes cos he kept forgetting to stop. | 0:20:33 | 0:20:37 | |
And to see that brain, which is a good brain, | 0:20:38 | 0:20:43 | |
to see it wither like that is horrible. | 0:20:43 | 0:20:47 | |
But it's not all doom and gloom for Brian | 0:20:49 | 0:20:51 | |
as he's about to be a father again, for the third time. | 0:20:51 | 0:20:55 | |
-HE DOES VOCAL EXERCISES -Brian! | 0:20:55 | 0:20:57 | |
-Hi. -How do you feel? | 0:20:57 | 0:20:58 | |
I feel OK, but these masks are wrong, they, you can't sing in them. | 0:20:58 | 0:21:02 | |
They constrict the throat. | 0:21:02 | 0:21:03 | |
OK. Well, it all went well. | 0:21:03 | 0:21:05 | |
-It all went well. Very well. -What? -The scan. | 0:21:06 | 0:21:08 | |
-For the baby! -Oh! -For this! -Oh, good. | 0:21:10 | 0:21:13 | |
It has all its arms and legs in the right place, | 0:21:13 | 0:21:15 | |
and his head is in the right place. | 0:21:15 | 0:21:17 | |
-Great stuff. -Mm-hm. | 0:21:17 | 0:21:18 | |
Now, you are having a baby. | 0:21:18 | 0:21:19 | |
-That's right. -Pepita, she's pregnant. | 0:21:19 | 0:21:21 | |
And you were saying to John you want to be a good father this time. | 0:21:21 | 0:21:24 | |
That's right. I'm determined to be a good dad. | 0:21:24 | 0:21:27 | |
I'm going to be there, start to finish. | 0:21:27 | 0:21:30 | |
Feeding, you know, when she's expressing the milk at night, | 0:21:30 | 0:21:34 | |
I'm going to be there. | 0:21:34 | 0:21:35 | |
I want to erase the mistakes of the past. | 0:21:35 | 0:21:38 | |
This baby, be it a boy or a girl... | 0:21:38 | 0:21:41 | |
is going to get me, Brian Pern, there. | 0:21:41 | 0:21:45 | |
Can we talk a bit more about the expressing of the milk? | 0:21:45 | 0:21:48 | |
Brian, with the baby coming and everything being | 0:21:48 | 0:21:51 | |
-so nice with us... -Yes, we're getting on, that's good. | 0:21:51 | 0:21:54 | |
-Yes. Will you marry me, Brian? -No. | 0:21:54 | 0:21:58 | |
OK, well have a good show! | 0:21:59 | 0:22:01 | |
-See you later! -Goodbye. | 0:22:02 | 0:22:05 | |
Can I ask you about your father and your mother? | 0:22:05 | 0:22:07 | |
Am I right in thinking that they've never been to any of your shows? | 0:22:07 | 0:22:11 | |
-Yes, but that doesn't mean anything. -What was the fallout with your dad? | 0:22:11 | 0:22:15 | |
He had an idea in his head of me | 0:22:15 | 0:22:18 | |
admitting someone to a surgery or working for the Ministry of Defence. | 0:22:18 | 0:22:24 | |
He didn't want to see his son inching his way across a stage | 0:22:24 | 0:22:29 | |
with a big tail behind him and cat's ears. | 0:22:29 | 0:22:32 | |
Brian's troubled relationship with his father | 0:22:35 | 0:22:37 | |
inspired this number one hit, | 0:22:37 | 0:22:39 | |
I Wish I'd Told My Dad I Loved Him Before He Died. | 0:22:39 | 0:22:41 | |
I was reading in your autobiography that there was one moment | 0:22:43 | 0:22:45 | |
where you flew your mum and dad out to see one of your shows, right? | 0:22:45 | 0:22:48 | |
-What happened? -I was playing in Las Vegas. | 0:22:48 | 0:22:51 | |
Career-wise, financially, I'd achieved a lot. | 0:22:51 | 0:22:55 | |
I was speaking to my mother and I suggested that perhaps | 0:22:55 | 0:22:58 | |
they could come and see me. | 0:22:58 | 0:23:00 | |
# Daddy always told me | 0:23:00 | 0:23:02 | |
# Check the oil in your car every week | 0:23:03 | 0:23:06 | |
# That way you can sustain a healthy engine | 0:23:08 | 0:23:12 | |
# From which you'll benefit in the long run... # | 0:23:12 | 0:23:15 | |
And she said yes. She asked my father, and they came. | 0:23:17 | 0:23:21 | |
They were put up in a hotel and they were all set to come to the show. | 0:23:22 | 0:23:26 | |
Er, I had some great seats for him in the circle | 0:23:26 | 0:23:29 | |
and it was all laid on. I hadn't spoken to him for... | 0:23:29 | 0:23:31 | |
..years. | 0:23:33 | 0:23:34 | |
# Daddy, I still miss you | 0:23:34 | 0:23:36 | |
# I s'pose you were quite a decent bloke | 0:23:37 | 0:23:40 | |
# The smell of your socks in the morning | 0:23:42 | 0:23:45 | |
# Ha-ha | 0:23:45 | 0:23:47 | |
# And your semi-racist jokes... # | 0:23:47 | 0:23:49 | |
On the way to my solo show in Las Vegas, | 0:23:49 | 0:23:52 | |
he was travelling down the strip and he saw Michael Crawford | 0:23:52 | 0:23:55 | |
was appearing in Barnum, and he stopped the car. | 0:23:55 | 0:23:58 | |
The long and the short of it is he went to see Barnum instead of me. | 0:23:59 | 0:24:04 | |
I can't put it in any other way. | 0:24:04 | 0:24:06 | |
HE COUGHS | 0:24:06 | 0:24:08 | |
Although Brian's dad is not dead, | 0:24:11 | 0:24:12 | |
Brian imagined he WAS dead to write the song, | 0:24:12 | 0:24:14 | |
which had the whole world crying into their radios and hifis. | 0:24:14 | 0:24:20 | |
HE WAILS | 0:24:20 | 0:24:23 | |
-Do you think he might come to your show, this last one? -No. | 0:24:26 | 0:24:30 | |
Brian's dad may not want to come to the show, | 0:24:31 | 0:24:33 | |
but there is someone else who does. | 0:24:33 | 0:24:35 | |
Listen, just had a call from Bennett's mum. | 0:24:35 | 0:24:37 | |
-Oh, no, he hasn't died, has he? -No, no, no, no, no. | 0:24:37 | 0:24:40 | |
But he knows you're reforming and he wants to come back and play. | 0:24:40 | 0:24:43 | |
Bennett was the driving force. He was really the most important member of Thotch. | 0:24:43 | 0:24:47 | |
It was the biggest blow, definitely, we'd had when Bennett left, | 0:24:47 | 0:24:50 | |
much more than when Brian left, many years later. | 0:24:50 | 0:24:52 | |
He was crucial to our success in the early years. | 0:24:52 | 0:24:55 | |
You don't really mean that, Pat. | 0:24:55 | 0:24:57 | |
Bennet St John was one of the founding members of Thotch. | 0:24:58 | 0:25:01 | |
But left the band after only a year, following a battle | 0:25:01 | 0:25:04 | |
with his demons he could not win. | 0:25:04 | 0:25:06 | |
He had an addiction to cod liver oil capsules. | 0:25:06 | 0:25:08 | |
I got a call from his mum one morning, he'd taken an overdose. | 0:25:08 | 0:25:11 | |
I got round there, the place was absolutely covered | 0:25:11 | 0:25:13 | |
with empty Seven Seas bottles. I mean, it was ridiculous, terrible. | 0:25:13 | 0:25:17 | |
Oh, it turned his brains to sausage, but his joints were a marvel. | 0:25:17 | 0:25:21 | |
He headed straight for San Francisco and when he came back, | 0:25:21 | 0:25:24 | |
part of his brain was still there. | 0:25:24 | 0:25:26 | |
When I took over, one of the first things I realised | 0:25:30 | 0:25:33 | |
was that this bloke was a basket case and had to go. | 0:25:33 | 0:25:35 | |
Anyway, the guy was there at the beginning, | 0:25:39 | 0:25:41 | |
maybe he does a bit on the encore, what do you say? | 0:25:41 | 0:25:44 | |
-I'm OK with that, yeah. -Yeah. | 0:25:46 | 0:25:48 | |
Apparently he's booked us a table tomorrow. Who's coming? | 0:25:48 | 0:25:52 | |
Brian and John have come to meet Bennet at the restaurant | 0:25:58 | 0:26:01 | |
of his choosing, but the signs aren't looking good. | 0:26:01 | 0:26:03 | |
He's already 30 minutes late. | 0:26:03 | 0:26:04 | |
Good even', good folk, and welcome to Ye Olde Medieval Banqueting room! | 0:26:08 | 0:26:14 | |
-Fuck off. -Now, if you need sustenance, | 0:26:14 | 0:26:17 | |
-I want you to say wench! -Wench! | 0:26:17 | 0:26:19 | |
-And then we can wassail. -Wassail! | 0:26:19 | 0:26:23 | |
Right, that's enough, I'm going. | 0:26:23 | 0:26:25 | |
-Do you want a lift? -No. I'm on the Segway. | 0:26:25 | 0:26:27 | |
Better be careful, though, I've had a bit too much mead. | 0:26:27 | 0:26:29 | |
-Sorry, had a lot of Japs in tonight. I'm nearly done. -Bennet?! | 0:26:29 | 0:26:35 | |
The very same. I always told you I'd be a frontman, Brian. | 0:26:35 | 0:26:40 | |
-Oh, dear. -We've gotta stay. | 0:26:42 | 0:26:46 | |
# Burn, baby, burn... # | 0:26:46 | 0:26:48 | |
'They didn't dance to this in the Middle Ages, did they?' | 0:26:48 | 0:26:52 | |
'Well, it pays the bills. Gives me a chance to perform. Play the lute.' | 0:26:52 | 0:26:57 | |
I'm the musical director. | 0:26:57 | 0:26:59 | |
The franchise is owned by an oily Turk who knows nothing about | 0:26:59 | 0:27:03 | |
medieval history except what he's learned on How To Train Your Dragon. | 0:27:03 | 0:27:08 | |
-But how are you, Bennet? -I've had my low points. | 0:27:08 | 0:27:11 | |
I didn't come out of the house for 15 years until I found this place. | 0:27:13 | 0:27:16 | |
-Cheers, thanks a lot. -Oh, wassail, wassail! Yeah, yeah! Ha-ha! | 0:27:16 | 0:27:22 | |
I've been seeing one of the wenches. She's got a television. | 0:27:23 | 0:27:27 | |
She told me that you were reforming | 0:27:27 | 0:27:29 | |
and I got to thinking about the old days and, well, here we are. | 0:27:29 | 0:27:34 | |
-How much do you want? -It's not about money. | 0:27:35 | 0:27:39 | |
It's about unfulfilled promise. Friendship. | 0:27:39 | 0:27:44 | |
But my mum is ill. | 0:27:44 | 0:27:47 | |
Anything helps. It would be good to get the old Mazda back on the road. | 0:27:47 | 0:27:51 | |
And I need to pay for a termination for one of the wenches. | 0:27:53 | 0:27:56 | |
-Thanks for a lovely night. -Ah, yes - well, come back! Wassail, wassail! | 0:27:56 | 0:27:59 | |
Ye olde, ha-ha ha-ha! | 0:27:59 | 0:28:02 | |
I think he'll be all right. | 0:28:02 | 0:28:03 | |
To be honest, I felt a bit sorry for him. | 0:28:03 | 0:28:06 | |
I don't give a bollocks about that. How much of our share is he taking? | 0:28:06 | 0:28:10 | |
We'll give him five grand and a cab home. | 0:28:10 | 0:28:13 | |
-If he turns up. -Wassail! | 0:28:13 | 0:28:15 | |
-Is that... -Who the fuck's that? -The fuck... -Why's he got the uniform on? | 0:28:18 | 0:28:23 | |
Stand firm, Sir Pebble. | 0:28:25 | 0:28:29 | |
Where is thy horse? | 0:28:29 | 0:28:32 | |
Sir Quid. | 0:28:32 | 0:28:35 | |
What's that cat on your head? | 0:28:35 | 0:28:37 | |
AND...the other two. | 0:28:37 | 0:28:40 | |
Wassail! | 0:28:42 | 0:28:44 | |
No, we realised he was still a complete fucking fruitcake and we let him go - again. | 0:28:44 | 0:28:48 | |
Paid for the termination. That's the least we could do. | 0:28:48 | 0:28:51 | |
With just 20 minutes to go and a global audience of one billion people, | 0:28:54 | 0:28:58 | |
the band are making their final preparations for the biggest show of their lives. | 0:28:58 | 0:29:03 | |
SNORING | 0:29:03 | 0:29:05 | |
But it was at this point, minutes before the show, | 0:29:11 | 0:29:14 | |
I uncovered something I felt I had to tell Brian. | 0:29:14 | 0:29:17 | |
To be honest, I found out about a week ago, but I decided to | 0:29:17 | 0:29:20 | |
tell Brian now, as I thought it would make for a better documentary. | 0:29:20 | 0:29:23 | |
-I know you've got the show to do, but there's something I need to tell you. -What's that? | 0:29:23 | 0:29:27 | |
-'Members of the band to the stage.' -And it didn't go down too well. | 0:29:27 | 0:29:30 | |
-'This is your five-minute call.' -Hello, Brian. | 0:29:30 | 0:29:32 | |
Just telling the rest of them that this | 0:29:32 | 0:29:34 | |
doesn't have to be the last show ever. | 0:29:34 | 0:29:36 | |
Just had another offer - Shay Stadium, | 0:29:36 | 0:29:38 | |
-three nights in the spring. -Oh, yeah? -Mm. | 0:29:38 | 0:29:40 | |
-What about Pat's brain? -Pat's brain? | 0:29:40 | 0:29:43 | |
Well, the, erm... The chess and the krill oil have worked wonders, haven't they, Pat? | 0:29:44 | 0:29:50 | |
Er... | 0:29:50 | 0:29:52 | |
Yeah, I think with, er, the right brain exercises, | 0:29:52 | 0:29:56 | |
I could hang on till next spring. | 0:29:56 | 0:29:57 | |
I'm afraid one of your conversations has been recorded, John. | 0:29:57 | 0:30:00 | |
Pat? Pat? Steady on. | 0:30:00 | 0:30:04 | |
You're all over the place - be a little more consistent. | 0:30:04 | 0:30:07 | |
It doesn't come easily - I'm... I'm not an actor. | 0:30:08 | 0:30:11 | |
You lied about Pat's dementia so I would agree to do this concert. | 0:30:11 | 0:30:15 | |
-Uh? -That will do. | 0:30:15 | 0:30:17 | |
-Turn them off, would ya? -No! They stay on. Were you all in on this? | 0:30:17 | 0:30:22 | |
-I'm sorry, Brian. -What a wicked, wicked thing to do. -It was his idea. | 0:30:23 | 0:30:27 | |
-Brian, listen. -No, you listen. | 0:30:27 | 0:30:29 | |
-There's something else John hasn't told you. -Are we done? | 0:30:29 | 0:30:31 | |
-Yeah, we're finished. -When Rhys Thomas was making this documentary... | 0:30:31 | 0:30:36 | |
Do me a favour, will ya? | 0:30:36 | 0:30:37 | |
-..he interviewed Basil Steel. -Give that to Brian. | 0:30:37 | 0:30:40 | |
Basil gave him a letter he had received anonymously, 18 months previously. | 0:30:40 | 0:30:45 | |
Why don't you read it to us, John? | 0:30:45 | 0:30:46 | |
It says, "Basil, I hear you're filing for bankruptcy. | 0:30:49 | 0:30:55 | |
"You have a case against Thotch. You help me and I'll help you." | 0:30:55 | 0:30:59 | |
So what? | 0:30:59 | 0:31:01 | |
Look at the handwriting. | 0:31:01 | 0:31:03 | |
This is a good luck card I found in my dressing room tonight from John. | 0:31:03 | 0:31:08 | |
Hang on a minute - I don't believe this, John. | 0:31:08 | 0:31:10 | |
You sent Brian an individual card - we only got a group one! | 0:31:11 | 0:31:15 | |
Not that, you bimbo, Pebble! Look at the Bs and Ks. | 0:31:15 | 0:31:18 | |
-Actually, I need my glasses. -Get my glasses. | 0:31:20 | 0:31:22 | |
-Oh, yeah, get mine too -Yeah, yeah. | 0:31:22 | 0:31:24 | |
Oh, yes, look. | 0:31:28 | 0:31:29 | |
J. J's the same... | 0:31:29 | 0:31:32 | |
-It's the same writing. -Ah. | 0:31:32 | 0:31:34 | |
-Whose writing is it? -It's John's! | 0:31:34 | 0:31:36 | |
-He organised the court case, everything. -Is this true? -Yep. | 0:31:36 | 0:31:41 | |
-So what? -But you cost us millions! | 0:31:43 | 0:31:45 | |
Yeah, but I made you millions more | 0:31:45 | 0:31:47 | |
and got you publicity that you can't pay for. | 0:31:47 | 0:31:50 | |
But why would you do this to us? | 0:31:50 | 0:31:51 | |
I haven't done it to you, I've done it FOR you, because you lot are | 0:31:51 | 0:31:55 | |
so far up yourselves you cannot see that this industry is finished. | 0:31:55 | 0:31:58 | |
No-one buys music any more - they steal it and stream it. | 0:31:58 | 0:32:00 | |
The only way to make money is to play live, | 0:32:00 | 0:32:02 | |
but you lot won't because of your pathetic, ridiculous egos. | 0:32:02 | 0:32:06 | |
You've had to be forced to do it because you think your shitty solo careers are more important. | 0:32:06 | 0:32:10 | |
-What a joke! -My solo career isn't a joke. | 0:32:10 | 0:32:13 | |
Isn't it? Mobile ringtones and songs for Mr Tumble? | 0:32:13 | 0:32:16 | |
JAUNTY MUSIC | 0:32:16 | 0:32:18 | |
You've got five years before the money's run out - then what? | 0:32:18 | 0:32:21 | |
You reform when you're 70? | 0:32:21 | 0:32:23 | |
See, I've done this now cos you cannot live off royalties | 0:32:23 | 0:32:26 | |
and solo albums that don't sell any more if you | 0:32:26 | 0:32:28 | |
want to go on living the way you do now - | 0:32:28 | 0:32:30 | |
yachts, staff, studios, divorces, the lot. | 0:32:30 | 0:32:34 | |
Why didn't you just tell us? | 0:32:34 | 0:32:35 | |
I've been telling you for past ten years, and do you listen? | 0:32:35 | 0:32:38 | |
All right, I've been a bit devious, but you are now the biggest band | 0:32:38 | 0:32:41 | |
in the world all over the world and do I get any thanks? Do I fuck. | 0:32:41 | 0:32:45 | |
Well, you can stick your 10%. I don't need it, | 0:32:45 | 0:32:48 | |
I don't need you. I've got clients who've double what you earn and appreciate me, | 0:32:48 | 0:32:52 | |
so you can get your wives and your sponging offspring to manage you, | 0:32:52 | 0:32:54 | |
cos I'm out of that fucking door now and I'm not coming back. | 0:32:54 | 0:32:57 | |
-John! -Now, wait a minute, John! -Wait, John, don't leave us! | 0:32:57 | 0:33:00 | |
All right, I won't! | 0:33:00 | 0:33:02 | |
The whole is greater than the sum of its parts, which is | 0:33:02 | 0:33:05 | |
why you've got a capacity crowd out there | 0:33:05 | 0:33:07 | |
and God knows how many million streaming online. | 0:33:07 | 0:33:09 | |
So do us all a favour, would you? | 0:33:09 | 0:33:10 | |
-Get out there and en-fucking-joy yourselves. -'Members of the band to the stage, please? | 0:33:10 | 0:33:15 | |
-'This is your two-minute call.' -Come on, let's do it. | 0:33:15 | 0:33:18 | |
'This is your two-minute call. | 0:33:18 | 0:33:20 | |
Wankers. | 0:33:20 | 0:33:21 | |
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE | 0:33:21 | 0:33:25 | |
MUSIC STARTS | 0:33:34 | 0:33:37 | |
# Civil Centre in Portland, Maine | 0:33:44 | 0:33:47 | |
# April 8th's gonna be insane. # | 0:33:47 | 0:33:50 | |
I don't give a shit if you're a founding fucking member. | 0:33:50 | 0:33:54 | |
You ain't coming in without a pass. | 0:33:54 | 0:33:56 | |
Let me see the band, now! | 0:33:56 | 0:33:58 | |
They will confirm my acquaintance. | 0:33:58 | 0:34:01 | |
Do me a favour, mate, and piss off! | 0:34:01 | 0:34:03 | |
HE YELLS | 0:34:09 | 0:34:11 | |
Wassail! | 0:34:12 | 0:34:13 | |
SINGING CONTINUES | 0:34:18 | 0:34:20 | |
-# We're gonna rock this station... # -What are you doing?! | 0:34:22 | 0:34:26 | |
Security! Security! | 0:34:29 | 0:34:33 | |
HE BABBLES | 0:34:39 | 0:34:42 | |
More security! | 0:34:42 | 0:34:44 | |
# Argh! # | 0:34:48 | 0:34:50 | |
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE | 0:34:50 | 0:34:51 | |
After 40 years, Thotch were finally back with a bang. | 0:34:51 | 0:34:55 | |
But despite the adulation, | 0:34:57 | 0:34:58 | |
backstage, I sensed a tinge of melancholy in Brian. | 0:34:58 | 0:35:02 | |
-So, Brian, well done on a great show. -Thanks very much. -You must be tired. | 0:35:02 | 0:35:06 | |
Yeah, a little bit, and my throat is playing up. | 0:35:06 | 0:35:09 | |
Are you not going to see your parents with all the others, or... | 0:35:09 | 0:35:12 | |
No, my parents are not coming. | 0:35:12 | 0:35:13 | |
I did invite them, but they don't generally come to my shows | 0:35:13 | 0:35:16 | |
and tonight they had a prior engagement, so...it's fine. | 0:35:16 | 0:35:21 | |
'But what Brian doesn't know is that I've secretly | 0:35:21 | 0:35:23 | |
'arranged for his parents to come and see the show | 0:35:23 | 0:35:26 | |
'without him knowing.' | 0:35:26 | 0:35:28 | |
-Mum! -Brian! -You came! | 0:35:28 | 0:35:31 | |
Well, the Marshes cancelled, so we thought we'd come along. | 0:35:31 | 0:35:34 | |
It was a heck of a drive from Frinton. | 0:35:34 | 0:35:36 | |
The satellite navigation system is stuck on Urdu, | 0:35:36 | 0:35:40 | |
so we didn't understand a bloody word! | 0:35:40 | 0:35:42 | |
-"We"? -Your father's here. He's in the corridor. | 0:35:42 | 0:35:45 | |
He didn't want to bother you. You know what he's like. | 0:35:45 | 0:35:47 | |
-No, no. Er, ask him to come in! -Oh! | 0:35:47 | 0:35:50 | |
It's all right - you can come. | 0:35:52 | 0:35:55 | |
Hello, Brian! | 0:35:55 | 0:35:56 | |
Papa! | 0:35:56 | 0:35:58 | |
You must do something about the parking here. It's a real con trick. | 0:35:58 | 0:36:01 | |
£8 for the first hour, and £21 for everything after that. | 0:36:01 | 0:36:05 | |
Did you enjoy the show? | 0:36:05 | 0:36:07 | |
You did your best, and one can't ask for more than that. | 0:36:07 | 0:36:10 | |
The audience liked you, you held them enthralled... | 0:36:10 | 0:36:13 | |
for a time. The Tudor king was an unexpected touch. | 0:36:13 | 0:36:16 | |
Yes. | 0:36:16 | 0:36:17 | |
You reminded me of Michael Crawford's Barnum. | 0:36:17 | 0:36:21 | |
There's no greater recommendation than that. | 0:36:21 | 0:36:23 | |
Can we leave Barnum out of it? | 0:36:23 | 0:36:24 | |
Susan. | 0:36:24 | 0:36:26 | |
Brian's got to understand stage craft. | 0:36:26 | 0:36:30 | |
And there's no greater exponent than Michael Crawford. | 0:36:30 | 0:36:33 | |
Well, we do try to combine different elements in the show. | 0:36:33 | 0:36:36 | |
Some theatrics and also, you know, music. | 0:36:36 | 0:36:40 | |
Yes! But it's hard to be really... | 0:36:40 | 0:36:42 | |
transported. Miss Saigon in the West End - | 0:36:42 | 0:36:46 | |
there was a show. When the helicopter arrived during the finale, I nearly shit my pants. | 0:36:46 | 0:36:51 | |
Love of my life, congratulations! | 0:36:51 | 0:36:54 | |
Oh, please excuse me. | 0:36:54 | 0:36:56 | |
This is, er, my girlfriend, this is Pepita. She's Mexican. | 0:36:56 | 0:37:00 | |
-This is my father and this is my mother. -Oh, please. | 0:37:00 | 0:37:03 | |
Good Lord! Someone's filled you with arms and legs. | 0:37:03 | 0:37:06 | |
-Yes. -When's it due? | 0:37:06 | 0:37:08 | |
Erm, a couple of days. | 0:37:08 | 0:37:10 | |
-Is it? -Months? Soon, soon. | 0:37:10 | 0:37:13 | |
I hope it's Brian's offspring in your belly, and not cocaine. | 0:37:13 | 0:37:17 | |
BRIAN LAUGHS | 0:37:17 | 0:37:19 | |
I am so honoured to meet you, please. | 0:37:19 | 0:37:21 | |
SHE KISSES | 0:37:21 | 0:37:24 | |
-Don't do that, that's enough. -My father-in-law. | 0:37:24 | 0:37:27 | |
That's enough now. | 0:37:27 | 0:37:29 | |
I very humble, humble. | 0:37:29 | 0:37:32 | |
-Pepita, stop that! Stop that! -I got one more. Please. | 0:37:32 | 0:37:34 | |
-You don't need to do that. -It's a Mexican thing. | 0:37:34 | 0:37:37 | |
Susan, we'd better be off. Brian, have you got £20 for the parking? | 0:37:37 | 0:37:40 | |
-Oh! -Er, yes, I have. | 0:37:40 | 0:37:43 | |
-There you go. -Thank you. | 0:37:45 | 0:37:47 | |
Brian... | 0:37:50 | 0:37:52 | |
You did well. | 0:37:53 | 0:37:54 | |
I was proud. | 0:37:56 | 0:37:57 | |
Pepita, will you meet me in the car? I want to have a little moment here. | 0:38:10 | 0:38:13 | |
-Are you crying? -No. -I respect your special moment. -OK. | 0:38:13 | 0:38:19 | |
All of my life, I felt something had been missing, and that was | 0:38:22 | 0:38:27 | |
recognition from my father. And when he said tonight he was proud | 0:38:27 | 0:38:30 | |
of me, it was like the final piece of the jigsaw had been put in place. | 0:38:30 | 0:38:34 | |
With a baby on the way and making up with Pat, I feel so happy | 0:38:36 | 0:38:40 | |
and I'm proud. | 0:38:40 | 0:38:42 | |
And you know what? I feel as if this is just the beginning. | 0:38:42 | 0:38:46 | |
OK, Ned, after show party, please. | 0:38:47 | 0:38:51 | |
TYRES SCREECH | 0:38:51 | 0:38:52 | |
Oh! | 0:38:52 | 0:38:53 | |
What? Ned! | 0:38:53 | 0:38:55 | |
Pepita! Ned! | 0:38:58 | 0:39:01 | |
STEADY BEEPING | 0:39:57 | 0:39:58 | |
Who hasn't got their seatbelt on? | 0:39:58 | 0:40:00 |