Episode 3 Debatable

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Hello and welcome to Debatable,

where today one player must answer a series of tricky questions

to try and walk away with a jackpot of over £2,000.

But, as always, they're not on their own -

they will have a panel of celebrities

debating their way to the answers. Will they be all talk and no action?

Well, that's Debatable. So, let's meet them.

On today's show, we have broadcaster Suzi Perry,

entrepreneur Peter Jones,

and we have actor Nitin Ganatra.

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So, that's the panel. Let's meet today's contestant.

It is Brian from London.

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-Welcome to the show, Brian.

-Thank you very much.

-How are you doing?

-I'm very well, thank you.

Tell us a little bit about yourself.

I live in North London with my partner of 30 years, Julie.

By profession, I'm a hypnotherapist.

Hang on...

So, what type of hypnotherapy do you do?

I help people stop smoking, lose weight.

When did you get into hypnotherapy?

Well, I used to be a chartered accountant

and in my mid-40s I actually went to a talk by Paul McKenna

on a subject called NLP,

which is neurolinguistic programming,

and that led me to start thinking about career choices,

and I then trained to become a hypnotherapist.

Can you motivate people?

Can you make them feel like they're more intelligent

than they actually are?

We need you, Brian!

-Is that something that you do?

-Motivation, absolutely.

As long as the person wants to make a positive change and can use

their imagination, I believe it's possible.

-Do we want to make a positive change, Nitin?

-Absolutely.

I could do with some hypnotherapy.

-Can you make me feel like I'm taller?

-Well, in your mind.

You might not actually be physically taller, but...

I get really uncomfortable when you make direct eye contact with me.

Keep eye contact.

You may start feeling a little bit more intelligent.

-And taller.

-And taller!

Suzi, now, this is what Brian is offering.

Brian is offering motivation.

What are you going to offer him in return?

We're going to offer you loads of really interesting debate...

-Thank you.

-..that brings you the correct answer,

is what I'd like to say,

-but what we're actually going to offer you is a load of chat.

-OK.

You have Peter Jones in the middle.

Peter will be harnessing the brains on our panel.

Are you happy with his role?

He seems like an intelligent guy, I'm sure he knows a lot.

Oh, he SEEMS like an intelligent guy.

Look into my eyes, Brian.

-You're going to win today.

-Thank you.

OK, you're going to need to pay close attention

to what our panel say.

You're only going to be able to choose one of them

to help you in the final debate.

-Ready to play?

-Yes, I am.

-Let's play Round One.

This round is multiple choice.

Each question contains four possible answers.

Only one of those is correct.

There are three questions in this round.

Each correct answer is worth £200, possible £600 for your prize pot.

Here's your first question.

I work with phobias, so I should know what that is.

I've got an inkling of what it might be.

I'd like to hear what the panel thinks.

Panel, your debate starts now.

I think it would be odd for somebody to have a fear of a pantomime.

-Have you done pantomime?

-No!

-I worked on a panto, but not in.

When I was younger I used to be a stage electrician and the panto

would go on for two months and we would be really busy.

-But could anyone have a fear of a panto?

-I don't think so.

And you wouldn't have a fear of kitchenware.

You wouldn't walk into your kitchen and go,

"I can't touch that because I've got a fear of that."

My husband has got a fear of kitchenware!

So, if we rule out kitchenware and pantomimes

we've got doctors and everything.

And if it was doctors,

wouldn't there be a word in there that related to medical...?

The only one that really makes sense to me is the fear of everything,

because pan, it can mean global or universal.

Like, as in pandemic?

-Yeah.

-Yeah, it is all. It is all, isn't it?

-I think it's got to be fear of everything.

-Yeah, I agree.

-Yeah.

Well, the panel think that the word panophobia

means a fear of everything.

-OK, Brian, was that your first thought?

-It was indeed.

I think, as Nitin said, pan means global,

and I'm therefore going with fear of everything.

All right, you're going with the panel.

You think that panophobia is a fear of everything.

For £200 into the prize pot, the correct answer is...

CHEERING

-Well done, Brian.

-Well done.

Very well done. Well done, panel.

The prefix pan is from the Greek word meaning all.

Well played, Brian, you're up and running. £200 into your prize pot.

-Thank you.

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Here comes your next question.

I don't actually know who Elizabeth Gaskell is,

which doesn't really help. I'm hoping the panel will know.

I think they look better read than I am.

-OK, panel, your debate starts now.

-Firstly, I've no idea.

However, Clegg, Gove and Cameron, in the political circles,

-are clearly named as if we'd recognise them.

-And May.

-And May.

-And May.

-Yeah.

-Oh, no.

-So that's what they've done there.

The first question is, has anybody read Cranford? Does anybody know?

-No, nor me.

-No.

So, does she use maybe one of the letters?

Does she go, like, Elizabeth C Gaskell or...?

Does that ring any bells with anybody?

Maehorn sounds quite feminine.

Yeah, unless she's inherited the name

on her father's side, or something.

Cleghorn sounds like an inherited name.

Cleghorn sounds quite Scottish. Was she Scottish?

I don't know, but she may well have been.

-Not doing very well here, are we?

-It's a bit of a guess, this one.

-Maehorn...

-I know it's not Patel.

-Thank you.

-Well done.

-Maehorn, what type of nationality is that?

-Is that more Irish? Gaskell seems Scottish to me.

-Yeah.

And you said Maehorn sounds a little bit more feminine as a middle name.

So I'll put it out, I'll go Cleghorn.

-I'd go Maehorn.

-Maehorn.

-It's up to you.

When you said C, when you did the Elizabeth C Gaskell...

We're going. I think it makes sense. We are...

The panel have decided it's Cleghorn.

The panel have decided to go with Cleghorn,

but no real knowledge injected into that debate, Brian.

The question is, is it a female name or is it a name

that's a middle name that she's taken on from somebody else?

Based on the initial conversation,

I'll actually not go with the panel, but go with Maehorn.

-You're going against the panel based on their debate.

-Mm.

You think it's Maehorn.

For £200, the correct answer is...

-Oh!

-It's Cleghorn.

-Well done.

-Well done, panel.

Gaskell was born Elizabeth Cleghorn Stevenson

the 29 September 1810 in Chelsea.

Sorry, Brian, no money there,

but we still have one more question in this round, a possible £200.

Here it comes.

It would have to be a pure guess based on what the panel debate.

I would definitely rule out six hours,

but I'm not sure about the others.

OK, you'll rule out six hours.

Let's see if our panel can bring any knowledge to this.

Your debate starts now.

Right, first question, how far is it from the Earth to the Moon, then?

Well, I was picking up on Branson's Galactica and listening to

all of that and I think it's around...

It's under 3,000 miles, I think.

Right, so it's less than you think, really, isn't it?

It's not as far as you think.

When we used to go on holiday, we used to drive from

Wolverhampton to northern Spain

and it would take us about 18 hours.

Just throwing this out there, not scientific!

What I'm just thinking, based on what we're saying,

kind of six hours out the way. As Brian says, it's far too short.

If it's 2,500 to 3,000, you divide that by the speed,

-average speed of 60.

-Yeah.

Average speed of 60 will get you to about 4,500.

4,500 hours is going to be nearer to six months

-than it is to any of those.

-Yeah, you're right.

So it can't be six hours, it can't be six days

and it's definitely not six years. It can only be six months.

-It depends whether they stop at services.

-Is that right?

Yeah, yeah, that sounds right. At 60mph, yeah.

You know what I mean? Six months, long time, isn't it, really,

-to be driving without stopping?

-Yeah, I'd say six months sounds...

-It is six months.

-Yeah.

-The answer is definitely six months.

Very, very sure, there, from Peter.

Peter seems to think it's 3,000 miles.

60 miles in an hour,

600 miles in 10 hours.

6,000 miles in 100. 3,000.

That would be 50 hours.

This isn't the first time that a chartered accountant

has actually checked your figures, Peter.

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I'm just going by the 3,000 miles.

I don't know whether it's 3,000 miles or 30,000 miles.

So I'm going to go with six days.

Going to go against the panel.

-I may well be wrong.

-Peter was quite definite on this.

He thought it was six months.

It could only be six months, said Peter.

I may have got my maths wrong.

It's been a long time since I did accountancy.

The panel is going for six months, you are saying six days.

At 60mph, driving to the moon, it would take...

-Six months.

-That's why I gave up accountancy.

On average, the distance from the Earth to the Moon varies

between 225,000 and 250,000 miles.

So it would take around 4,000 hours.

-You were thinking, Peter, I think, of Galactica...

-Yes.

..which was travelling at 3,000mph,

and that went to the edge of space,

which is 62 miles up to where the Earth's atmosphere becomes space.

-Does that make it any better?

-It's quite painful.

I forgive you.

-Sorry, I've completely steered you wrong.

-It's OK.

Brian, you didn't manage to bank anything there.

It means that the total amount

banked at the end of Round One is £200.

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-Can only get better.

-Things can only get better.

OK, let's see how they cope with pictures. It's time for Round Two.

OK, Brian, Round Two is our picture round.

We're going to ask you to place three pictures in the correct order.

There are two questions in this round, £300 for each correct answer.

A possible £600. Here comes your first one.

I used to watch The Inbetweeners and Dad's Army,

but not Absolutely Fabulous.

I think The Inbetweeners is the fewest.

I think they had about five series.

And Dad's Army seemed to go on for a long, long time,

Absolutely Fabulous also.

OK. Panel, can we sort this out?

Your debate starts now.

I think, Brian, you're correct with Inbetweeners, because I think

Inbetweeners did a couple of series

and then had a huge success with the movie.

So I think they did the fewest.

Having said that, you're a big Dad's Army fan.

I'm a massive Dad's Army fan.

I remember Dad's Army came out two years after I was born.

So I was born in '66, Dad's Army came out in '68,

and I think it went on for a long time.

-And they were still making them late '70s, weren't they?

-Yeah.

Absolutely Fabulous, again, was really popular,

but I don't think it could beat or top Dad's Army.

The number of series broadcast, that's the question.

The number of series broadcast.

-How long did that go on for?

-It went over five seasons, I think.

Which would you have liked to have been in,

Absolutely Fabulous or EastEnders?

Oh, you can't ask me that! Ab Fab.

Ab Fab just looked like chaos. It looked like great fun.

-Right, so we're going Dad's Army longest?

-Yes.

-Right.

-I don't know, but, yes.

-Is that the order?

-Well, yeah...

-Happy with Inbetweeners.

-My instinct says Dad's Army as well.

-OK, OK.

OK, the panel have decided this is the order.

Starting with the least number of shows is The Inbetweeners,

with Absolutely Fabulous, and the most, Dad's Army.

OK, Brian, big Dad's Army fan there, Peter in the middle.

The panel think, like you, The Inbetweeners had the fewest.

I'm going to go with the panel this time.

Inbetweeners, Absolutely Fabulous and Dad's Army.

OK, so you're going to go with the panel this time.

For £300, is that the correct order?

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-Well done.

-Well done.

Very well worked out, panel, well played.

The Inbetweeners ran for three series,

Ab Fab ran for five series,

Dad's Army ran for nine series - and you were right, Peter,

between 1968 and 1977.

Well done, Brian, £300 into the prize pot.

You're up to £500.

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Here comes your second picture question.

I'm familiar with Cutty Sark because of Greenwich.

I'm not so familiar with Santa Maria or HMS Victory.

So I do hope that the panel will know the answer.

They look slightly more Tia Maria than Santa Maria,

but let's see if they can sort this out for you.

Panel, your debate starts now.

Cutty Sark, as Brian said, we can still see that today, can't we?

We can see it when they ran past it on the marathon and go and

physically touch it, and I wonder whether that's the newest boat.

The Cutty Sark is definitely the newest. I've been there, seen it.

Santa Maria was Columbus's first boat,

so that definitely will be the earliest.

I don't know anything about Victory but it would only be

that it's in the middle, anyway.

Yeah, so that would be the first one.

-Santa Maria is the first.

-Yeah.

-OK.

And that's definite, because that's Columbus. And that's the newest.

-That's the newest.

-You can see just by the look of the pictures.

Well, I like your logic, Peter.

And there's Victory, we've missed Victory.

It just seems logical, if that was Columbus.

That's definitely Columbus, isn't it?

So we're pretty confident that the earliest was Santa Maria,

then came HMS Victory and the latest is Cutty Sark.

The panel not messing around on this one, they're pretty sure.

I really can't argue with that as I'm only familiar

with the Cutty Sark, which seems to be a later boat.

I'll go with the panel -

Santa Maria, HMS Victory, Cutty Sark.

OK, you think the panel are making sense.

You're going for Santa Maria, the earliest launch,

then HMS Victory, then the Cutty Sark.

For £300, is that the correct order?

It is the correct order! Well done.

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-Perfect logic.

Good Christopher Columbus knowledge there, Peter.

The Santa Maria was the lead ship of Christopher Columbus

who set sail on the ocean blue in 1492.

HMS Victory launched at Chatham in 1765.

Cutty Sark was launched at Dumbarton in 1869. Well played, Brian.

At the end of Round Two, you've got £800.

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-Thank you.

-So, Brian, has the panel redeemed themselves?

-Yes, they have.

Apart from the little glitch with the trip to the moon,

I think they've been right for just about every answer.

So, Brian is saying that the panel have redeemed themselves

even though the panel has a 100% record.

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How have you managed to make us all believe that the panel needed

to redeem themselves, Brian? I can't believe that.

I can't believe it.

I can't believe you actually made the panel doubt themselves

when it's you! It's you, Brian!

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OK, who is standing out for you from our panel?

Peter I think has some very good reasoning,

particularly with regard to the author earlier.

Brian, it is time for Round Three.

OK, Brian, in Round Three you will face questions that contain

three statements about a person, a place or a thing.

Only one of those statements is true.

Two questions in this round, £500 up for grabs for each correct answer.

Here we go.

Easy now!

Well, I know they're musicians and...

may I ask the panel, see what they...?

Oh, absolutely, because they have more rabbit than Sainsbury's.

Why did you get it off your chest, panel? You debate starts now.

I think it's called Hooky Street,

the theme tune to Only Fools And Horses.

I was just recovering from the fact that they potentially

shot put in the '98 Olympics.

Yeah, but that's such a far-out answer that could be true.

-It can't be true.

-It might be true.

Have you seen Chas and Dave? It can't be true!

And also, the '80s was when they were going strong and really famous

and I'm sure we would have known if one of them was a shot-putter.

Yeah, that one definitely wrong.

Having said that, Eminem, My Name Is,

it's a very fast track.

I think it's perfectly plausible.

The way these guys are, a lot of the record producers hear

something from somewhere and go, "I need that."

It doesn't seem right, but then,

Only Fools And Horses seems a bit obvious.

Are we agreed that shot put is completely out of the question,

-even I would...?

-There's no way!

-I don't know, man.

-I'll tell you what,

I'll give £1,000 to charity if it's the shot put.

And that charity will be the Patrick Kielty Appreciation...

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My logic is that they were big stars in the '80s,

they wrote Snooker Loopy,

so they were in with the BBC.

It was '80s, late '70s, early '80s, Only Fools And Horses.

Well, you see, I do like my hip-hop and rap.

I've grown up with a lot of hip-hop.

It's perfectly possible that it could have been in an Eminem...

It would be very cool to have Chas and Dave in an Eminem,

but given the era of Only Fools And Horses,

-I'm going to have to go with you guys.

-Right, we're going for it.

Right, the panel have decided that we're going to go with

the popular vote of, it was the theme tune to Only Fools And Horses.

It sounds the most obvious answer.

I don't know whether it's possible they may have competed in

the shot putt, in which case some charity is going to be better off.

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My just niggling question is,

why didn't they sing the song for Only Fools And Horses?

Or maybe they did.

I'm going to go with the panel and vote the theme tune to

Only Fools And Horses and...

hope for the best.

OK, we're hoping for the best on this one.

For £500, the correct statement is...

-Wow.

-They did, they played on a song sampled for Eminem's My Name Is.

When they were session musicians, Chas and Dave played in

Labi Siffre's I Got The,

and that song provides the main sample for My Name Is.

# Just a lonely soul

# Slowly dying. #

-# Hi, my name is

-What?

-# My name is

-Who?

-# My name is

-Slim Shady

-# Hi, my name is

-Huh?

-# My name is

-What?

-# My name is

-Slim Shady. #

Neither Chas nor Dave have ever competed, Peter Jones,

-you'll be thankful to know...

-Damn!

-Wow.

..in the 1988 Olympics.

And the theme tune to Only Fools And Horses was written by

the show's creator, John Sullivan.

No money added to the prize pot there but there's still

£500 up for grabs with your final question.

Brian, here it comes.

It's a difficult one.

-I'm going to have to rely on what the panel say for this one.

-OK.

Panel, can you help us out with this? The debate starts now.

Any hip-hop involved for Nitin?

No, no, I can't see any hip-hop in this.

Don't know much about golf.

What you need is someone who has played golf

at St Andrews many times.

-Exactly.

-I have.

-And over to you.

-Oh!

It didn't play as the first Ryder Cup, though, did it?

No. So, I play the Dunhill at St Andrews each year

and I actually happen to know the Kohler family,

that own the Hotel, so I do know the answer.

-Oh, do you?

-Yeah.

-Oh!

-OK.

-They didn't hold the first Ryder Cup there.

-No.

-St Andrews does have the oldest university in Scotland.

-Yeah.

So, yeah, oldest university in Scotland.

-So the answer, we're pretty sure, aren't we?

-Yeah.

-Yeah.

So, the panel are pretty sure that the answer is that St Andrews

has the oldest university in Scotland.

So, Peter Jones is pretty sure

that it is the oldest university in Scotland.

I'm more than happy to accept Peter's answer.

-So you're going with the panel?

-I'm going with the panel, absolutely.

-This can only go one of two ways, Peter.

-Yeah.

-I'm out.

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Is St Andrews the oldest university in Scotland? For £500.

It is!

APPLAUSE Very well done.

St Andrews University was founded between 1410 and 1413.

The first Ryder Cup was held at Worcester Country Club

in Massachusetts in 1927.

St Andrews Castle is a ruin and that is why Prince William

wouldn't have been staying in that.

Who ruined it?

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Well played, Brian. It means, at the end of Round Three,

your prize pot is up to £1,300.

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Quite a tidy little sum. Any plans, if you won the money today?

Well, it's 30 years, me and my partner Julie have been together,

so it would be nice to treat her to a holiday.

I was hoping to treat her to go to Australia,

but maybe this will pay towards it.

Now, Brian, in the Final Debate you'll face one question.

This question will have six possible answers.

Only three of them are correct.

We need all three correct answers in order for you to leave

with the cash today. As before, you are not alone.

You will choose one of these fine, upstanding

members of the community to assist you.

You and your panellist will have 45 seconds to debate that question.

OK, Brian, who would you like to join you in the Final Debate?

Would you like to ra, ra, ra, rabbit, rabbit, rabbit

with Suzi Perry?

Would you like to drive me to the moon with Peter Jones?

Or, his name is, uh! His name is, uh!

Nitin Ganatra.

I'd like to choose Peter, please.

-Peter, will you join us for the Final Debate?

-Yes.

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OK, Peter, Brian has chosen you for the Final Debate.

You're looking confident. Are you ready to go?

I'm ready to go, really excited.

-This is the best bit, isn't it?

-Absolutely.

-Take some money home.

-I'm hoping so.

-Anything that we want to see up there?

Anything we want to avoid?

Hoping for an Entertainment question,

-want to avoid a Sports question.

-Well, it is the Final Debate,

so you do get two categories to choose from, Brian.

Have a look at this and see which one you'd prefer.

-Art, are you good at Art?

-No, not at all.

-Food And Drink.

-Food And Drink, should we go for that one?

I don't mind. You go with what you... This is about you.

I'm going with Food And Drink, although it is limited

in my knowledge, but I'll go with Food And Drink.

-You prefer that over Art.

-Yes.

-OK.

£1,300 for grabs, 45 seconds on the clock.

Best of luck, Brian, here comes your Final Debate question.

45 seconds starts now.

-Bearnaise is definitely made with egg.

-OK.

100%.

Aioli, what's that? I don't even know what that is.

Aioli, so that is, erm...

-You know the stuff you can put onto bread?

-OK.

-Aioli, I think that's...

-OK.

So is it bearnaise, bechamel and carbonara?

Carbonara, carbonara...

-You've had the Italian pasta with carbonara?

-Right.

-20 seconds.

-I'd say carbonara has got eggs in it.

-Satay, I wouldn't say that's got any eggs in it at all.

-That's peanut.

-Ten seconds.

-Marinara, so I would say...

-Carbonara, bearnaise...

-Bechamel.

I'd go aioli.

Brian, I need three answers.

Oh.

Erm, bearnaise, bechamel, carbonara.

Bearnaise, bechamel, carbonara.

OK, Brian, best of luck.

We need all three answers correct for you to go home with the money.

£1,300. The first answer you gave me was bearnaise.

Is a bearnaise sauce made with eggs?

Yes, it is.

Classic French sauce made with eggs and butter.

You then said bechamel.

-You weren't sure on that one.

-Not sure at all.

Keep us on track for £1,300.

Is bechamel sauce made with eggs?

It isn't, Brian, I am so sorry.

It is a white sauce normally made with butter and flour.

-It's aioli, I guess.

-Carbonara, you also said.

Carbonara is made using eggs, cream and cheese.

Aioli, creamy garlic mayonnaise.

-Oh, mayonnaise!

-It's garlicky.

I was thinking of olive oil-type dressing. OK.

Marinara is an Italian tomato-based sauce,

satay is an Asian peanut sauce.

Just one out there, Brian, I'm so, so sorry.

You played the game so well. Thanks for coming to see us.

Give it up one more time for Brian.

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-Thank you for your help.

-Well done.

-Thank you.

That is it for Debatable.

There's just enough time for me to thank our fabulous panel.

To Mr Peter Jones, to Suzi Perry and Nitin Ganatra.

I do hope you've enjoyed watching.

We'll see you next time for more heated debates.

For now, it's goodbye from me.