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This is the Dragons' Den.

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Over the last six years,

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700 entrepreneurs have walked up the stairs, looking for investment.

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Before them, five of Britain's most successful business brains,

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collectively worth a reported £1 billion.

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Convincing them to part with their cash isn't easy,

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but tonight, they've agreed to share their tips for success...

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..from the initial idea to the pitch.

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Are you ready for the alternative?

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From the business plan...

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The tidiest patent that I've ever seen.

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-..to the negotiation.

-5% each.

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-10% in total.

-Oh!

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These are the business secrets that work outside the Den and within...

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-Yes!

-..revealed by the Dragons themselves

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and the brave entrepreneurs who've dared to stand before them.

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Tonight on How To Win In The Den, we examine the pitch.

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Romeo meets Juliet.

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It's a little bit harsh to expect

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-your dog to hold his bladder for hours on end. Right, Trish?

-Exactly.

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Erm...

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From a school assembly to a job interview or a wedding speech,

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presentation and communication are skills we all need.

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Feeling difficult, this.

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In life, all the time, we're presenting ourselves,

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we're selling ourselves, so we're pitching.

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Be confident about yourself, be sure about what you want.

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16.5 million.

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It just takes a millisecond to lose your trail of thought.

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I don't know my figures!

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You just can't recover from it.

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If you like, I'll show you and let you see it work.

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If you don't believe, don't do it. You've got to put

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your whole heart into it.

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Now the Dragons are catching up with their investments...

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-He's a beauty.

-..and revisiting some of those they sent packing...

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Gosh, you're not being serious? You haven't even got the .com?

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..as they break down the rules of engagement...

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Make yourself understood.

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-Keep calm.

-Grab their attention.

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Let the inner you shine through.

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You've got to rehearse.

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Be honest and be credible.

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..whether you want to make money or just be heard.

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These are the lessons you need to know

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if you want to be pitch perfect.

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-Morning, chaps.

-It's another year,

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and the Dragons are back in the Den to film a ninth series.

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It's amazing how you step back into Dragons' Den.

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It completely takes over your life.

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And this year, logistics millionaire Hilary Devey joined the team.

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This is my seat.

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Probably the most uncomfortable, I would say!

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Duncan's got the best. But then...

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That was my seat, and I loved that seat,

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but they gave it to you because they didn't want you stuck on the end.

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Yeah, cos you're such a gentleman(!)

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The days in the Den are long, and the Dragons sit through

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hours and hours of pitches.

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So, if you want them to sit up and take notice,

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you have to stimulate them.

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The visual impact is actually mega important.

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It's like the first piece of your presentation.

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So, the Dragons' first rule of pitching is

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to make a good impression.

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The Dragons are human beings. They need something that'll get their attention, get them excited,

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that'll arouse a little bit of passion.

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'The first impression is always important, in all walks of life.'

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# Come and taste some salsas with me! #

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It's the same as coming on the Den.

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And no matter how many pitches they sit through, the Dragons have

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learned that they can't predict what will come up the stairs.

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-We've had a pig...

-This pig is worth its weight in gold.

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..loads of dogs...

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Dancers!

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But remember, an entertaining pitch doesn't always get investment.

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You've got to remember that, if you do that,

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you raise people's expectation levels.

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# Dance at Razzamatazz, yeah! #

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You can make real bad mistakes

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by getting that visual impact completely wrong

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and not correlate it to your business.

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It's a total waste of time, thinking you're going to schmooze

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a Dragon just because you've come on and done a little bit of a dance.

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# Jump, jump, jump up to the sky... #

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You haven't got a brand, so for that reason, I'm out.

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One man who takes presentation very seriously is

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ex-radio presenter Bob Davies.

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Bob entered the Den this year,

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looking for investment in his entertainment concept.

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I'm here today to ask you for a £50,000 cash injection

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for a 20% share in a brand-new company that will

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manufacture and market an interactive game challenge.

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He looked fantastic. Bow tie... Who wears a bow tie these days, man?!

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Good on you, Bob!

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This is a business presentation.

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'You wouldn't walk into your bank manager with an open shirt

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'and a pair of tatty jeans and trainers, would you?'

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I wouldn't.

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As a seasoned showman, Bob knew how to play the crowd

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and wasn't hesitant in giving his product the hard sell.

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I've been in the event industry for just over 25 years.

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I've worked for many large companies, and small,

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and one thing that is apparent in order to maintain their market share,

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they will have to do one of the following.

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That is to organise an exhibition,

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staff motivation, maybe a charity event,

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to create PR as well, and certainly just maybe a good old bash.

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This product clearly ticks all of the boxes.

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I wanted to keep the cover on as long as I possibly could

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so everything was there.

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So, before we take the cover off, this really has so much potential.

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Five revenue streams.

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Bob, it'd better be good! That's all I've got to say!

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It sounds it, though, doesn't it?!

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-It is good.

-Get on with it!

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Dragons, are you ready

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for the alternative that everyone is waiting for?

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This is Bob's Box.

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Immediately, new Dragon Hilary Devey stepped forward

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to play Bob's interactive game, giving him

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an opportunity to demonstrate his product.

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'When Hilary said, "Can I have a go?" '

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and she got into the machine, she saw then the potential.

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It's been used by a couple of exhibition companies,

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twice by two TV production companies.

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It's highly visual, we are ready to take it to market right now.

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-That's where I need your help.

-Tell me a bit about yourself and your background.

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I'm MD of an event company.

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I'm known in the event trade as the car showroom king.

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Whenever there's a car launch being facilitated,

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I'm an approved supplier for events.

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Bob's experience in the events industry was impressive,

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but Duncan Bannatyne was perplexed

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about why he hadn't offered the Dragons

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a share of his already-established business.

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Why not put that in your existing company,

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going to make some money from this,

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-as well as what we're doing already?

-Erm...

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There is no real total objection to that.

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If I could have my time again and go up the stairs...

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Go up the stairs and come back and say that to me.

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In a Den first, Bob was told to go back down the stairs.

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I didn't think it was going to work from then on, to be honest!

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But he seized the opportunity to pitch again.

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'That was a real big lifeline.'

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I came back up the stairs and said, "Hello, my name's Bob Davies..."

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I'm here today to offer you a 20% equity share in my company,

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which is currently very successful in its own marketplace.

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With a better deal on the table, it was over to the Dragons,

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but they weren't buying into the concept.

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I'm going to wish you the real best of luck, but I'm out.

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It's not investable, I'm out.

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As lovely as you are, I won't be investing in you. I'm out.

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Thank you.

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Only Hilary Devey and Duncan Bannatyne were left.

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Would they see something the other Dragons had missed?

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Bob, I really wish I could find a reason to invest in you.

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I've got to say, I'm sorry, Bob, but I'm out.

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OK, thank you, Duncan.

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Bob.

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I could see that working at a corporate event.

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I could see that bringing to my own business's corporate event.

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I'd like to make you an offer. 50K for 20%...

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..of your new product and your unique ideas, initially.

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The new Dragon wanted a share of both the game

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and Bob's event business,

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but would Bob be prepared to give so much away?

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Hilary...

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I look forward to working with you, Bob!

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' # Bring me sunshine... # '

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I was so happy, it just...

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I was on the floor, and the barometer went, whoosh!

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Yes!

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'Cyclone, we can do it!'

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I'm just so, so pleased. It's a dream come true.

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I've been working on the project for two years.

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As a small business, as a person that has a dream,

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to make it come true, it's... Words can't say it, perhaps...

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it's time for some emotions.

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After hundreds of hours spent developing his game,

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Bob now has a multi-millionaire

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with her own successful events company on board.

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We did it.

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But for Hilary, the hard work has only just begun.

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He's got to learn -

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God gave us two of these and one of these, and use them wisely.

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We did it, son. We did it.

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Two weeks later, Bob is on his way to meet his new business partner

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and he's keen to prove that he will make a reliable one.

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We'll bring out the business side,

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and she can see there is two halves to this guy, both good halves.

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Hilary often works from home, and her base here in central London

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is where many of her high-level meetings take place.

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This is my business pad. It's not everybody's taste, I might add.

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-Hello, Bob.

-Good afternoon.

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So what does Hilary expect from her investment?

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Good to see you.

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'I sacrificed my whole life to get my business to where it is today.'

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So you've dressed up for me again, Bob!

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Perhaps nobody will make the self-sacrifices I made,

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but I hope they will make some self-sacrifice.

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I've got some things that I need to talk to you about.

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After the Den, every deal goes through a meticulous process

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of due diligence, so now Bob will have to answer

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some tricky questions.

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Try and talk me through why, in 1997, when you bought that business,

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you had a turnover of 400,000...

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-Yes.

-..but you've then dropped to where you're at now,

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which is 86K, you're projecting this year.

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-86 was last year's figures.

-You only took a salary of 12K.

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That's right.

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Clearly, you've not had

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any commercial input into your business at all.

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What you've done is allow 14 years to happen

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with a degenerating revenue stream,

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and not really thought about why this is happening.

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Do you have monthly management accounts?

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Erm... I look at... No...

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I don't like it.

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-And I will be enforcing that on you.

-With Hilary on board,

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it's clear that Bob will need to pay more attention

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to the way he runs his business.

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-What I think about you is, you're jumping around.

-Yes.

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What we've got to do is focus this business in one direction.

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Hilary, I feel like I'm the oldest apprentice in town.

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-Every single day, you learn something.

-Yes.

-Every single day.

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I appreciate that.

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We're going to put every effort we can into this to try and make it work.

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'I'm sure if anybody can rein Bob in, I can.'

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I've got to get him to start thinking more commercially

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than acting as a compere or a master of ceremonies.

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Hilary is unimpressed with Bob's business acumen,

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but he's determined to show her he can make a success of the game.

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So, he's invited her down to the South Bank to see it in action.

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If you can take the challenge, go for gold.

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I'm hoping that he gets a fantastic reaction from the public.

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Cos that will demonstrate to me

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that it is a business that's going to work.

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It's called the Cyclone Game Cube.

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Hilary already owns an events business,

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and her plan is to incorporate Bob's concept

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into her successful portfolio.

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I have no problems turning everything around so I can prove

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I do have that business head.

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-What did you think of the game?

-It was brilliant. We had a lot of fun.

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It was brilliant, yeah.

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-Awesome.

-Awesome! Absolutely awesome!

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The public have spoken, but is Hilary convinced that

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the Cyclone Game Cube has a profitable future?

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We've had people from Ireland, from Sweden, from North Carolina.

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There hasn't been one negative response.

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That's surely got to be a very positive sign.

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Bob has pulled out all the stops

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-to show the Dragon there is value in his company.

-Off you go.

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His business may have been in decline,

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but Hilary is convinced that, with her help,

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they will turn things around.

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Today has really given me

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an insight into the true opportunity of this as a business venture.

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That, to me, has enthused me to take this business to the next level.

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Over the years, the Den has seen hundreds of people

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make presentations before the Dragons.

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If they want investment,

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they need to make sure that everything goes to plan.

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There's a slight panic to make sure

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that it's actually going to work when we set it up!

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So, the next lesson from the Dragons is simple - practice makes perfect.

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It amazes me how often you see people who go in

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and look as though they're delivering this really for the first time.

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Erm... A...

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Practise in front of people.

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Practise it, practise it, then come along and say it succinctly.

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I'm sorry, I've really lost it. I do apologise.

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And there's one element of the pitch that,

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if left unrehearsed, can dash your hopes of an investment.

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The Knowledge - the premium-rate telephone helpline.

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You have to practise your demonstration.

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'Please wait.

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'Please wait.'

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Murphy's law says the day you do a demonstration, it's going to fail.

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-I'm never going to call you again, because it doesn't work.

-Right.

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Do not assume anything.

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So, who looks like they could have done with another rehearsal?

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HE PLAYS BADLY

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One person who came across as unprepared was Samantha Gore.

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I'm seizing the moment and I'm here today

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to pitch for £275,000 for 10% of my company.

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She entered the Den in 2008 with her invention,

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designed to deter criminals.

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I will start... If you would like to guess what it is...

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Now, there's two... Right.

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MUSIC PLAYS FROM BOX

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It's an occupancy simulator.

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It's quite difficult to see

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from the... It's a TV, a fake TV.

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What's going on? I haven't got a clue.

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-Pardon?

-You've lost me.

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-A fake TV?

-Yeah.

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No, it's not, it's like a radio.

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She demonstrated a product, and we all said, "What does it do?"

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That's my mistake - black's going to absorb it.

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The white's going to reflect it. Sorry, sorry.

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When entrepreneurs come onto the Den and they've not prepared,

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I think there's no excuse for that.

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One of the worst pitches that I've ever heard.

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And if you don't get it right the first time,

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for heaven's sake, make sure you get it right the second time.

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Hardly anyone comes back to the Den, but a year later, Samantha was given

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a second chance to pitch a new range of security blinds and curtains.

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I think this is going to be the best product that's ready to go now.

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It's my retrofit curtain closers.

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Unbelievable.

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'It was really strange.'

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I was absolutely flabbergasted when it didn't work.

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I've tested it a million times.

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It was just practice - I should have practised a lot more.

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Samantha went back to doing what she does best.

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Running her chain of Japanese restaurants.

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But she's not giving up on her security inventions,

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which she says have sold in their hundreds online.

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We've expanded the restaurants,

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plus I've been doing my electronics as well.

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So I've continued just to work harder than I've ever worked in my life.

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Another pitch that famously went awry was James Seddon,

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who stood before the Dragons five years ago

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with his electric egg cooker invention.

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It's a sort of toaster for eggs.

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Yeah, the egg cooker... legendary, legendary.

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As soon as it's finished, it beeps, and that's it, it's done.

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I forgot to put the egg in!

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DUNCAN LAUGHS

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He's nearly as much of a legend as me, actually!

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Tried three times to demonstrate that this egg thing could actually

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boil his egg perfectly.

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-I'm afraid this one hasn't cooked properly, I'm sorry to say.

-Oh!

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You go, "Ooh, no!" You're like, "Oh!"

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-For some reason...

-Why didn't this one work?

-I haven't got a clue.

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You think, "You idiot! It's your big moment and you completely spoilt it!"

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It does work, I promise you.

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But five years on, the product still isn't ready to be mass-produced.

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Remortgaged my house, almost mortgaged my kids.

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If it doesn't work soon, we're in deep trouble.

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There we are - five years to cook an egg!

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That's it!

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The knee-trembling walk up the steps into the Dragons' Den can mean

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only one thing to our dry-mouthed entrepreneurs -

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their pitch is about to begin.

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I'm very, very nervous.

0:19:100:19:12

I'm absolutely petrified to be going on there.

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I'm just praying that I don't fall to pieces!

0:19:160:19:19

A few lucky entrepreneurs get it right. But many don't. They dry up.

0:19:200:19:25

Er, we're, er...

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So, the next tip from the Dragons is absolutely imperative.

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Keep your nerve.

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Going into the Den is incredibly nerve-wracking.

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You're physically...just very slightly out of breath,

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cos you've been climbing up some stairs.

0:19:480:19:50

No-one says, "Thank you for coming to the Den,

0:19:500:19:53

"what would you like to show us?"

0:19:530:19:55

You have to start from cold.

0:19:550:19:57

'You have to be able to tell the potential investor'

0:19:570:20:00

what your idea is.

0:20:000:20:02

Musiccontrol will offer...

0:20:020:20:04

-How it works.

-Musiccontrol will...

0:20:070:20:10

Account to royalty collection agencies.

0:20:120:20:14

-If you can't do that, there's no point going on.

-Excuse us.

-Sorry.

0:20:140:20:18

-They start sweating, they lose their lines.

-Um...

0:20:190:20:24

Forgetful.

0:20:240:20:25

HE SIGHS

0:20:250:20:26

Phew!

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And before you know it, they're buffoons.

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-Hello, I'm Peter.

-Hello, Peter!

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LAUGHTER

0:20:330:20:35

Oh, God.

0:20:350:20:36

I've completely lost it.

0:20:380:20:39

-Sorry.

-You can hear the nervousness in the voices.

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You would be investing in HandyGirl as a brand.

0:20:420:20:45

My heart goes out to them.

0:20:450:20:47

It's currently going through CAA certification.

0:20:470:20:49

They do have to get their act together pretty quickly.

0:20:490:20:52

'Business is tough.'

0:20:540:20:56

'You just have to get out there'

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and you've got to step up and deliver.

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So, what advice do the Dragons have for people who find

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the prospect of entering the Den terrifying?

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Take a sip of water, take a step back and start again.

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I'll start again - compose myself.

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I used to sing Eye Of The Tiger. In my mind.

0:21:130:21:18

INTRO PLAYS

0:21:180:21:20

# Da-da-daaa, da-da-daaa Da-da-da, da da da da-da. #

0:21:200:21:24

One person who froze before the Dragons was Andy Harmer,

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who entered the Den in 2007 to pitch his idea for an agency of lookalikes.

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-I thought it was my birthday - David Beckham arrives into the Den.

-Hi.

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-He looked fabulous!

-My name's Andy Harmer.

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My company name is the Double Dates.

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My idea is a celebrity entertainment concept which allows

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the everyday person to be a celebrity for the day.

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'I'd nailed my pitch before then. I was confident...

0:21:550:21:59

'until I messed up my first line...'

0:21:590:22:03

And that's how I lost what I was going to say.

0:22:030:22:06

Basically, er...

0:22:060:22:08

What...my...

0:22:090:22:11

What my concept is...

0:22:110:22:14

Bless him, I felt so sorry for him.

0:22:150:22:17

He just totally forgot what he was talking about.

0:22:170:22:20

He was just standing there saying, "I can't talk."

0:22:200:22:23

I totally... I can't talk.

0:22:230:22:25

Oh, my God! Oh!

0:22:250:22:27

Here's a man who's supposed to be in the entertainment world,

0:22:270:22:31

going to be on the stage and doing all that.

0:22:310:22:34

'I thought, that's weird.'

0:22:340:22:36

'It's the lights beaming down on you.

0:22:360:22:38

'You start to sweat.'

0:22:380:22:40

The Dragons just saying nothing.

0:22:400:22:43

'It just builds up the pressure.'

0:22:430:22:44

I was virtually THAT close to pretending to faint.

0:22:460:22:50

I... What I've done is I've created... I can't talk!

0:22:500:22:54

Luckily for Andy, Will Smith and Captain Jack Sparrow were there to support him.

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How are you doing, Dragons? All right?

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We've got exclusivity contracts with Grosvenor Casinos, celebrity nightclubs, recording studios

0:23:060:23:12

photo studios and limousine companies.

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Obviously, with all of my celebrity doubles.

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If you lose track, you've got to focus,

0:23:190:23:23

regroup and work out a way of getting back on track.

0:23:230:23:27

Fortunately, Deborah Meaden was on hand to clear up the situation.

0:23:270:23:32

You've got some celebrity lookalikes and you're offering people

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to be able to hire them for the day to do celebrity-type stuff.

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It's not just the celebrity lookalike. It's the whole day.

0:23:400:23:43

-That's what I mean by the celebrity-type stuff.

-Yes.

-Is that in a nutshell?

-That's correct.

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-Should have had me doing your pitch for you.

-Yeah.

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But anything can happen in the Den,

0:23:510:23:53

and Andy's fortunes were about to change.

0:23:530:23:58

You need money to tell people out there

0:23:580:24:00

the service that you're willing to offer.

0:24:000:24:02

-Yes.

-Andy, I'm afraid I don't agree with Peter.

0:24:020:24:05

-You can phone these people up...

-But he's got that now.

0:24:050:24:08

-But he's not doing it now.

-But he won't...

0:24:080:24:10

'Then the dragons started to actually LIKE my idea

0:24:100:24:14

'and started to argue'

0:24:140:24:15

in-between themselves.

0:24:150:24:17

I thought, maybe, from the bad start, I could turn this around.

0:24:170:24:22

I'd put up £50,000

0:24:220:24:27

and I'd want 25%.

0:24:270:24:30

A shock offer from former Dragon James Caan meant Andy

0:24:300:24:33

had half the money, but would another one be interested?

0:24:330:24:38

You ain't going to make it happen with my 100,000 quid,

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so I'm afraid I'm out.

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And to help you out, Andy, I'm out.

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Then I thought, maybe Peter, maybe.

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I don't just think it's good, I think it's fantastic. I think it has a huge potential.

0:24:520:24:57

Are you going to get £100,000? This is the question.

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And I don't see the fact that I could get a return on the money.

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That's the only reason why I'm out.

0:25:090:25:11

Without Peter Jones, there was no chance of investment.

0:25:110:25:14

For Andy, it was an experience he'd rather forget.

0:25:140:25:18

Since the Den, if I'm in a situation where I can't get my words out,

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I get that Dragons' Den feeling. It's like, "Oh, no."

0:25:240:25:27

'Maybe the business side of it isn't my strength. I'm an ideas person. I come up with great ideas.'

0:25:310:25:36

But after his unfortunate performance in the Den,

0:25:360:25:40

life got even tougher for Andy.

0:25:400:25:42

Recession hit, and it was kind of like a time

0:25:440:25:47

when people stopped spending money.

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At one point I was even busking. I put a sign down on the floor saying, "Busk It Like Beckham".

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But Andy was determined to make money from his collective of lookalikes.

0:25:550:26:01

MUSIC: Intro to "Disco Inferno"

0:26:010:26:03

He found a business partner, and together,

0:26:070:26:10

they created an act called the Chippendoubles.

0:26:100:26:14

They reached the semifinal of talent show Britain's Got Talent

0:26:140:26:18

and have since billed over £80,000 for appearances.

0:26:180:26:23

Guys...THAT was extraordinary.

0:26:230:26:26

But with seven people to pay, Andy's profit margins are low.

0:26:260:26:32

I still wanted to create a celebrity experience that showed

0:26:320:26:37

a better return, an idea that would potentially make me rich.

0:26:370:26:40

And now they have a business plan that he hopes will make millions.

0:26:400:26:45

I feel like we've come up with the idea with Vipeo.

0:26:450:26:48

It's an online greetings card service that features... well-known celebrities.

0:26:480:26:55

Andy and his partner have spent 10K developing the idea,

0:26:550:26:58

which requires them to visit the VIP's home and record them

0:26:580:27:01

saying every popular first name.

0:27:010:27:04

-Adriana.

-Adriana!

0:27:040:27:05

Users can then visit the website

0:27:050:27:07

and send a personalised message to their friends from the VIP.

0:27:070:27:11

The first celebrities featured are fellow Britain's Got Talent contestants Stavros Flatley.

0:27:110:27:16

But the product is a long way from launch.

0:27:210:27:23

To get the service online, they'll need an investor with deep pockets.

0:27:230:27:28

Our new product is called Vipeo, it's personalised VIP videos.

0:27:280:27:32

Andy feels the time is right to face Peter Jones again

0:27:320:27:36

and has set up a meeting.

0:27:360:27:38

-Personalised celebrity e-cards.

-It doesn't have to be...

0:27:380:27:42

Fortunately this time,

0:27:420:27:43

he'll be joined by business partner Lee, who's worked in sales and marketing for six years.

0:27:430:27:48

I've found a business partner that I've taken on their advice,

0:27:480:27:51

and we've been very strong as a team.

0:27:510:27:55

Clearer, straight to the point. Much better.

0:27:550:27:59

'Getting the chance to meet Peter again is a chance'

0:27:590:28:03

to redeem myself a bit, I suppose.

0:28:030:28:04

It's the day of the meeting.

0:28:120:28:14

And to make sure his idea stands out,

0:28:140:28:16

Andy has once again enlisted the help of his lookalike colleagues.

0:28:160:28:20

I'm really keen to see what his business idea is,

0:28:200:28:23

but more importantly, will he hold it together?

0:28:230:28:26

Peter will see you now.

0:28:260:28:28

Cheers.

0:28:280:28:30

All right, Peter? You got a minute? Yeah? Just...

0:28:310:28:35

introduce you to a couple of my mates. Come on.

0:28:350:28:39

Obviously, you know who she is.

0:28:390:28:41

-Good afternoon, ma'am.

-You know who he is.

-David, hello, David.

0:28:410:28:46

The real reason why we're here is that we've got a couple of friends that have got a little idea

0:28:460:28:51

-they want to put to you.

-Ah! It's Andy!

-Come and say hello.

0:28:510:28:54

-I recognise Andy!

-Andy and Lee.

-Good to see you again.

-Good to see you.

0:28:540:28:59

With Peter's experience in telecoms, he is the perfect fit

0:28:590:29:03

for their business, but will Andy and his partner persuade him to invest?

0:29:030:29:06

I've got five minutes, so over to you.

0:29:060:29:10

Right. The company's called Vipeo, and it stands for VIP Videos.

0:29:100:29:15

Vipeo is an online store of personalised celebrity e-cards.

0:29:150:29:19

I'll show you an example.

0:29:190:29:22

This message is to say thank you ever so. You're a star!

0:29:220:29:28

So anybody, anywhere, anytime, can purchase one of these

0:29:280:29:32

if they've got a device which has mobile browsing capabilities.

0:29:320:29:37

Someone such as Stavros Flatley -

0:29:370:29:39

he has 1.6 million Facebook followers, so if we converted 1% of his fans

0:29:390:29:44

at a unit price of £2 in a year, that would generate £32,000 of revenue alone.

0:29:440:29:48

Extrapolate that to three years and 100 million celebrity fans,

0:29:480:29:52

and you're looking at £2 million.

0:29:520:29:55

We feel that the concept and scale of it is bigger than the two of us

0:29:550:29:59

and we're looking for this support.

0:29:590:30:01

I've got to say, Andy, it's definitely a better pitch

0:30:040:30:08

-than you made in the Den.

-Thanks.

0:30:080:30:10

And you've got a business partner, which is something that I felt you really needed.

0:30:100:30:14

But will Peter be interested in helping them get their business off the ground?

0:30:140:30:19

-How much money are you looking for?

-It will be £86,000.

-Have you got the .com?

0:30:190:30:23

We've got .co.uk. The .com is owned by a company in Germany.

0:30:230:30:27

Guys, you can't be serious? You haven't even got the .com?

0:30:280:30:32

-First thing you've got to do, surely?

-Hmm.

0:30:320:30:34

Get the .com?

0:30:340:30:36

Yeah.

0:30:360:30:38

You want to build an international business online, it's just a .co.uk.

0:30:380:30:43

Who's going to see that?

0:30:430:30:44

The pitch has suffered an early setback,

0:30:460:30:48

but hopefully Peter will look beyond the lack of web presence.

0:30:480:30:51

-Have you recorded with any key celebrities?

-Yes.

-Who've you done?

0:30:510:30:55

-We've recorded with Stavros, we've got some other reality TV...

-And what does he get out of it?

0:30:550:31:00

-We're going to give him 50% of the revenue.

-50%?

-50%.

0:31:000:31:03

But you've already given him half your profit?

0:31:030:31:06

There's a new type of celebrity at the moment, reality TV.

0:31:060:31:10

They're in the shop window for a short period

0:31:100:31:13

and they try to maximise that opportunity,

0:31:130:31:15

so things like this would be ideal for them as well.

0:31:150:31:18

So you record them, spend all the money, you get the downloads initially,

0:31:180:31:21

they're finished tomorrow?

0:31:210:31:23

You've got to get real, proper, decent celebs.

0:31:230:31:26

You need a message from Robbie Williams.

0:31:260:31:29

All of these people are going to look at you and think,

0:31:290:31:32

"Do I really want to go and spend an hour and a half in a studio

0:31:320:31:36

"with Tom, Dick and Fred, who've got a Handycam?"

0:31:360:31:39

We did one with the David Brent lookalike

0:31:410:31:43

and people absolutely loved it.

0:31:430:31:46

-I would go out and trial with a few others.

-And would you see us again?

0:31:460:31:51

I would see you again. If it got a following,

0:31:540:31:57

and I felt that you could have traction, then I would.

0:31:570:32:02

The message from Peter is clear - prove the business can work,

0:32:040:32:07

and there's a chance he might help out.

0:32:070:32:09

There's a lot more work to do,

0:32:090:32:11

but the pair leave with their heads held high.

0:32:110:32:13

I didn't mess my words up, it was better than last time.

0:32:130:32:16

My fear of public speaking, I suppose,

0:32:160:32:18

I have overcome it this time.

0:32:180:32:21

Andy, this time, held himself together.

0:32:210:32:24

He must've taken quite a few deep breaths before he came into the office.

0:32:240:32:27

He was very calm, actually.

0:32:270:32:29

He wants to see it piloted first, get it up and running,

0:32:290:32:32

but he's going to be looking over it, so...

0:32:320:32:34

-Woo-hoo!

-Drinks all around!

0:32:340:32:36

'It's not a bad idea, you know. I think people would probably do it.'

0:32:360:32:41

You might get the celebrities to say, "I'll give you an hour of my time,

0:32:410:32:44

"cos I might make a few thousand pounds every week after just doing a quick video."

0:32:440:32:49

And if he takes away what I've said and comes back, who knows?

0:32:490:32:53

You never know.

0:32:530:32:54

This is the Dragons' guide to pitching and presentation,

0:33:020:33:06

six lessons that can help all of us improve our public speaking skills.

0:33:060:33:10

When it comes to audiences,

0:33:100:33:12

they don't get much tougher than these five business brains.

0:33:120:33:16

People will try anything to win over the Dragons.

0:33:210:33:25

I'm confident the Dragons will like me, and they'll love my tie.

0:33:250:33:28

But being likeable isn't something that comes naturally to us all.

0:33:280:33:32

No way I would get involved in you and the way you sell it.

0:33:320:33:36

So the next lesson is simple - whatever you do,

0:33:360:33:39

don't offend your audience.

0:33:390:33:42

-Please let me finish, Theo.

-No, I'm not going to let you finish unless you answer my question.

0:33:420:33:46

If you can get the Dragons to like you personally,

0:33:460:33:52

they will be on your side.

0:33:520:33:54

You have got something.

0:33:540:33:58

If they don't like you,

0:33:580:34:00

they will then hear everything you say with a bit of suspicion.

0:34:000:34:03

-You made a flippant comment about...

-It's very serious to us.

-You made a very flippant comment.

0:34:030:34:08

If I don't like that person, it's a no-no.

0:34:080:34:12

-What's your gross profit percentage?

-Don't know the answer to that, you'll have to move on.

0:34:120:34:16

You don't know? We'll have to move on?

0:34:160:34:18

I've forgotten it, not a human calculator.

0:34:180:34:21

By shouting back at them, it's not really going to get you very far.

0:34:210:34:25

When was the last time you negotiated, because the market's changed...?

0:34:250:34:29

And there's one way to guarantee you walk away empty-handed.

0:34:290:34:32

If you start giving the Dragons business lessons,

0:34:320:34:36

guaranteed, you are going to wind them all up.

0:34:360:34:40

-That's totally irrelevant.

-I find you arrogant, rude and insulting.

0:34:400:34:45

-Don't tell us how to run a business.

-I'll see you when I'm loaded.

0:34:450:34:49

One partnership that got on the wrong side of the Dragons

0:34:510:34:55

were husband and wife David and Sarah Glashan.

0:34:550:34:58

The product we're going to show you today is called an Itsa.

0:34:580:35:02

It's a multifunctional sunlounger towel.

0:35:020:35:05

An experienced businessman,

0:35:050:35:07

David was confident he could impress the Dragons.

0:35:070:35:10

You find out what the competition isn't doing, find out what it's going to cost you

0:35:100:35:14

to do what the competition isn't doing, and by the time you've divided it up,

0:35:140:35:18

your percentages should be right, because business is about percentages.

0:35:180:35:22

But his business lecture had the opposite effect.

0:35:220:35:25

This is not the way to talk to anyone, let alone a Dragon,

0:35:250:35:29

an extremely successful Dragon.

0:35:290:35:31

You should write a book - How To Run A Business.

0:35:310:35:34

That's not a very nice comment, I'll ignore that.

0:35:340:35:37

It was a compliment!

0:35:370:35:38

We weren't giving business advice,

0:35:380:35:40

we were purely answering what we felt was the way to do it.

0:35:400:35:44

Duncan, I'm not a schmuck - don't try and treat me like one, OK?

0:35:440:35:48

"You're out of order, Duncan.

0:35:480:35:49

"Don't try it with me, I'm not a schmuck!"

0:35:490:35:52

HE LAUGHS

0:35:520:35:54

Somebody could quite easily, a cruise liner, do their own.

0:35:540:35:58

And I'll challenge you if you copy me, cos I'll take you to court,

0:35:580:36:02

I won't think twice about it, OK?

0:36:020:36:03

I think that might have put them off a bit.

0:36:030:36:06

I think they may have thought he was a bit, I don't know, arrogant?

0:36:060:36:10

'Theo is a great business guy, I'm not knocking him for that,'

0:36:100:36:14

but he was talking out of his backside.

0:36:140:36:16

I'm out.

0:36:160:36:18

They walked away without investment.

0:36:190:36:23

But despite the reactions from the Dragons,

0:36:230:36:27

the couple still pushed their product to market.

0:36:270:36:29

'Do we believe in the product? Yes. Could they be wrong? Yes.'

0:36:290:36:33

Let's show them, let's go and do it.

0:36:330:36:37

Five years later, the beach towel is selling all over the world

0:36:370:36:39

after the pair licensed it to manufacturers in the US.

0:36:390:36:43

They say worldwide sales of the brand have topped 8 million.

0:36:430:36:49

But they haven't been able to turn sales into profit.

0:36:500:36:52

Their decision was right not to invest.

0:36:520:36:54

They want to earn between two and four times.

0:36:540:36:58

'You cannot manufacture our product at a cheap enough price'

0:36:580:37:01

to sell it on a wholesale basis.

0:37:010:37:04

Their net profit on the product this year is forecast to be £80,000.

0:37:040:37:09

'The product is still selling, still being used on the beach.'

0:37:090:37:13

That, to me, is fantastic.

0:37:130:37:15

The Dragons' next lesson requires an attribute

0:37:250:37:28

that many entrepreneurs have in abundance.

0:37:280:37:31

If you look in the dictionary at "passion", you'd see my name.

0:37:310:37:34

If you want to be convincing, you must be passionate.

0:37:340:37:38

If you don't believe in your own product,

0:37:400:37:42

it's very unlikely you're going to get other people to believe in it as well.

0:37:420:37:46

iFoods.tv is the future of cooking.

0:37:460:37:49

Mytilus edulis, the edible mussel.

0:37:490:37:51

It's a rollercoaster, it's going, we have rocket, sorrel.

0:37:510:37:54

What I'm looking for is passion, enthusiasm. Tunnel vision, almost.

0:37:540:37:59

It's going to the back, we've got bitterness. Whack! Here comes a pepper kick.

0:37:590:38:02

If you don't love what you do, you're not passionate about it,

0:38:020:38:06

then you're not going to spend the hours that are needed to make that business a success.

0:38:060:38:10

I'm telling you that this is an effective way

0:38:100:38:12

of training a muscle that people know they want to train.

0:38:120:38:16

You should get riled up now and then. Passion is good.

0:38:160:38:19

But take the Dragons' advice carefully,

0:38:190:38:22

because there is such a thing as being overenthusiastic.

0:38:220:38:25

Angel Cot, my own invention.

0:38:270:38:29

The other end of the scale are people who are passionate about a business that doesn't work.

0:38:290:38:34

# Let's show them you care

0:38:340:38:37

# Children are our future... #

0:38:370:38:40

You can be passionate about a square-wheeled bicycle,

0:38:400:38:43

but you know it's never going to sell.

0:38:430:38:45

People have to get real.

0:38:450:38:46

It's totally orgasmic.

0:38:460:38:48

Forget Sex And The City - we've got shoes in the city!

0:38:480:38:53

One man who may have misplaced his passion

0:38:560:38:59

was future millionaire Adam Marshall,

0:38:590:39:01

who pitched his exfoliating shower mat in 2006.

0:39:010:39:05

These products work by the shower mat laying in the shower cubicle

0:39:050:39:10

and allows you to wash your feet by moving them back and forth.

0:39:100:39:14

Passion in my life comes kind of as a second nature.

0:39:140:39:19

'It's incredibly important to believe in what you're doing.'

0:39:190:39:22

It is totally a revolution in the shower market.

0:39:220:39:25

-Are you serious?

-I am, totally, yes.

0:39:250:39:27

I think it's absolutely ridiculous.

0:39:270:39:29

It was awful,

0:39:290:39:31

and he was so enthusiastic.

0:39:310:39:33

I totally believe in this and I will totally make this work.

0:39:330:39:37

He had the entrepreneurial spirit,

0:39:370:39:39

but he just had to find his feet a bit.

0:39:390:39:42

-I'm out.

-I'm out.

0:39:420:39:43

And it wasn't on shower mats.

0:39:430:39:45

The mat never took off.

0:39:450:39:48

Little bit, little bit higher.

0:39:480:39:50

'I didn't want to be known as the shower mat guy.'

0:39:500:39:54

I wanted to be known as a successful person in my own right.

0:39:540:39:58

Adam is still a passionate businessman

0:39:580:40:01

and has spent the last few years putting his enthusiasm into something else -

0:40:010:40:05

a chain of trendy bars.

0:40:050:40:07

'Started off with 30 grand from a high street bank.'

0:40:070:40:11

I had to work very hard with it. Blood, sweat, couple of tears.

0:40:110:40:15

He's taken that passion and energy, he's channelled it

0:40:190:40:22

into another industry and has gone on to become very, very successful.

0:40:220:40:27

Five years after his Den departure, Adam has 12 venues

0:40:270:40:31

and an impressive income.

0:40:310:40:33

They all do very well. I currently turn over £12 million.

0:40:330:40:38

You know, I don't do hardly any work any more.

0:40:380:40:42

Adam came into the Den asking for thousands,

0:40:420:40:46

he got turned down, he got great advice,

0:40:460:40:48

he listens to the advice and he goes out and he's now worth millions.

0:40:480:40:52

The Dragons are wily characters and when they're faced with an entrepreneur,

0:40:570:41:02

they're analysing their every word and their every move

0:41:020:41:05

for any hint of embellishment or exaggeration.

0:41:050:41:08

Have you got any defence?

0:41:080:41:09

In order to part with their money,

0:41:090:41:12

they need to know just about everything and expect straight answers.

0:41:120:41:17

So the Dragons' final lesson is to be honest.

0:41:170:41:21

As soon as you're up there trying to be something you're not,

0:41:210:41:24

to oversell, to overdo it...

0:41:240:41:27

-How much a year do they earn?

-£35,000.

0:41:270:41:30

No, that's a new one, isn't it? Is that a new number?

0:41:300:41:33

-..the Dragons can read it, it doesn't come across right.

-About 600 million.

0:41:330:41:36

Don't think that you can just wing it.

0:41:360:41:39

I've got no sales figures to talk to you about, no book-work whatsoever.

0:41:390:41:44

Cos it will backfire on you.

0:41:440:41:45

-You've created organic, artificial acorns?

-Yes.

0:41:450:41:50

If I can't work with that person and believe in their honesty,

0:41:500:41:54

then I'm not interested.

0:41:540:41:56

You must be a very wealthy young man.

0:41:560:41:58

Meaning, is the money in my account? No.

0:41:580:42:01

So, how do you make sure the Dragons believe in you?

0:42:010:42:05

The answer is to answer everything.

0:42:050:42:08

-Are you boyfriend/girlfriend?

-Yes.

-Sometimes.

0:42:080:42:11

Don't just sell your product - sometimes you have to sell yourself.

0:42:110:42:15

You gave us the immortal line, "The cheaper I can get these bits

0:42:150:42:19

"and pieces, the cheaper I can make it." So true.

0:42:190:42:22

Yeah, well, I just talk naturally.

0:42:220:42:25

I would say, let the inner you shine through.

0:42:250:42:27

The Dragons want to see you.

0:42:270:42:30

I'm not perfect, that's why I'm here.

0:42:300:42:33

One entrepreneur who impressed the Dragons

0:42:360:42:39

with her direct and honest answers to their questions was Layla Bennett.

0:42:390:42:43

The 26-year-old entered the Den in 2010

0:42:430:42:47

looking for investment in her falconry business.

0:42:470:42:51

Hello, Dragons. I'm Layla, and this is Monty,

0:42:520:42:56

from Hawksdrift Falconry.

0:42:560:42:58

We'd like to ask you today for £50,000 for a 25% share of our company.

0:42:580:43:04

We specialise in the commercial use of birds of prey.

0:43:040:43:08

Our main income comes from bird control,

0:43:080:43:11

that's the natural and environmentally friendly control

0:43:110:43:14

of pest species of birds by using raptors.

0:43:140:43:18

'When people come on with animals, they're always taking a risk.'

0:43:180:43:21

If the animal doesn't do what it should, it detracts from the pitch.

0:43:210:43:25

If anybody would like to step forward and hold Monty,

0:43:250:43:28

you will be very welcome to do so. Thank you.

0:43:280:43:30

'And the hawk did exactly as she wanted it to do,'

0:43:300:43:34

just by her making a movement and snapping her fingers. It was fantastic.

0:43:340:43:37

Are you finished with me? Yes?

0:43:370:43:40

-He said he's had enough.

-Thank you.

0:43:400:43:42

What better way can you get someone's attention by walking in with a bird of prey?

0:43:420:43:46

With the help of Monty the falcon, Layla intrigued the Dragons,

0:43:460:43:51

but it's the business interrogation that matters.

0:43:510:43:54

-Let's focus on the business. So, you talked about turning over 72,500?

-Yes, last year.

0:43:540:44:00

-How much of that became profit?

-49,700 was gross profit,

0:44:000:44:04

net profit was 22,700.

0:44:040:44:07

I was really honest about the value of the business,

0:44:070:44:11

the amount of turnover that I had, about my income.

0:44:110:44:14

I was also honest about the way that I live.

0:44:140:44:17

Are you taking a salary out of that?

0:44:170:44:19

There's myself and my partner full-time, we have £12,000,

0:44:190:44:22

-and we live basically off that.

-That's very committed.

0:44:220:44:25

Some people naturally are calm in all sorts of pressure situations, but that was an extreme example.

0:44:250:44:31

What will the business look like next year?

0:44:310:44:34

Next year, we expect to turn £125,000,

0:44:340:44:37

bearing in mind that in 2009 we only turned 38,000,

0:44:370:44:41

in 2010 we turned 72,500,

0:44:410:44:43

so the business is expanding very rapidly.

0:44:430:44:47

It was just completely polished and rehearsed and delivered...precisely.

0:44:470:44:53

-Why?

-We are gaining pest control contracts for bird control rapidly.

0:44:530:44:59

Every question was dealt with skilfully and directly by the falconer,

0:45:020:45:06

but would the Dragons invest?

0:45:060:45:08

Are you offering at the moment 25% of the company

0:45:080:45:12

without the land or with the land?

0:45:120:45:14

-25% with the land.

-Do you think that's a good idea?

0:45:140:45:17

You're a Dragon, I trust you.

0:45:190:45:21

I think when she told Duncan that she trusted him

0:45:210:45:24

not to do anything with the land, I think that won him over.

0:45:240:45:27

And, yeah, it got him onside, definitely.

0:45:270:45:30

But Theo Paphitis wasn't finished with his questioning.

0:45:310:45:34

-Layla, how old are you?

-I'm 26...and a half.

0:45:340:45:37

26 and a half!

0:45:370:45:38

Look, I'm going to make you an offer.

0:45:380:45:42

I'm going to give you half the money,

0:45:420:45:45

but I'm going to keep my business hat on.

0:45:450:45:48

I would need, for the risk/reward ratio on this, 20%.

0:45:480:45:53

The retail giant was preparing to drive a hard bargain,

0:45:540:45:57

but, impressed by her honesty, Duncan Bannatyne had other ideas.

0:45:570:46:01

I'm going to offer you exactly what you've asked for -

0:46:010:46:05

£50,000 for 25% of the company,

0:46:050:46:09

because I don't think anybody should try

0:46:090:46:13

and drive a hard bargain with you,

0:46:130:46:16

because I think what you're offering is very good value.

0:46:160:46:21

Thank you, Duncan.

0:46:210:46:23

I don't think it was a case of driving a hard bargain, Duncan -

0:46:240:46:27

I made absolutely clear what my view was.

0:46:270:46:30

There were two offers on the table,

0:46:300:46:33

but once the remaining Dragons declared themselves out...

0:46:330:46:37

-I'm going to say, I'm out.

-Thank you very much.

0:46:370:46:39

..it was decision time for Layla.

0:46:390:46:42

'From the age of 16, I've done it all by myself, and for a Dragon,

0:46:420:46:45

'a successful business person, to think that my business is worth something,'

0:46:450:46:50

it's a really emotional thing.

0:46:500:46:52

Are you going to accept my offer?

0:46:520:46:55

Of course I am, Duncan.

0:46:550:46:57

Layla was upfront, honest

0:46:590:47:01

and showed she was willing to make sacrifices -

0:47:010:47:03

qualities admired by Duncan Bannatyne.

0:47:030:47:07

She's really committed to that business,

0:47:070:47:09

she's committed to making that work and she's willing to live like that

0:47:090:47:13

for as long as it takes to get her business off the ground.

0:47:130:47:16

Layla shook hands with Duncan just over a year ago

0:47:180:47:21

and since then hasn't stopped working.

0:47:210:47:24

As he flies over you, whatever you do, don't make a noise like a rabbit.

0:47:240:47:29

'It's very difficult to live in a field in a caravan.'

0:47:290:47:32

I do work very hard - sometimes I work through the night, and the day, as well.

0:47:320:47:36

Sometimes I'll miss an entire night's sleep, then carry on,

0:47:360:47:39

but it doesn't feel like it's hard or a commitment -

0:47:390:47:42

it's just what I want to do, I can't imagine doing anything else.

0:47:420:47:46

And now she's ready to move beyond the life of a sole trader

0:47:460:47:49

and finalise her investment deal.

0:47:490:47:51

We're going through the contracts, I've just become a limited company -

0:47:510:47:54

any moment now, it'll all be happening.

0:47:540:47:57

Now the Dragon has arrived to check out the new company

0:48:020:48:05

and have a first look at the piece of Wales he will own a share of,

0:48:050:48:10

which is a far cry from the Den.

0:48:100:48:12

I'm quite nervous about Duncan coming down to the field.

0:48:120:48:16

I'm not sure what he'll think of our rather rural location,

0:48:160:48:19

but I hope he'll find it as beautiful as I do.

0:48:190:48:21

Liked the business, it's quite different, quite unique.

0:48:210:48:25

I thought it could be exciting.

0:48:250:48:26

I've certainly learned a little bit about Wales, anyway.

0:48:260:48:30

-Hello, how are you?

-I'm good, thank you.

0:48:330:48:35

Welcome to the field.

0:48:350:48:37

The investor is here to work out where they're taking the business

0:48:400:48:44

and how they'll spend his money.

0:48:440:48:46

Just have to jump over the fence, I'm afraid - haven't got a gate yet.

0:48:460:48:49

But first, he needs to meet the employees.

0:48:490:48:51

-Do you remember this little guy?

-Hello, Monty.

0:48:510:48:54

Using the hawks for pest control is now 90% of Layla's income,

0:48:540:48:58

and the area she plans to develop with Duncan's assistance.

0:48:580:49:02

Last night, in fact, I was down in Cardiff -

0:49:020:49:05

we had a pigeon in a cake production area that had to be moved.

0:49:050:49:08

-How do you move the pigeon?

-In that case, with a hawk.

0:49:080:49:12

-So, the hawk chases it?

-Yes.

0:49:120:49:14

He's a beauty.

0:49:150:49:17

Duncan wants to fully understand how the business works,

0:49:170:49:21

so he needs to learn how they train the hawk

0:49:210:49:24

so they're fit enough to chase away the unwanted vermin.

0:49:240:49:28

This dummy rabbit here, which you'll need to keep hidden from him,

0:49:280:49:30

-just throw it onto the ground and drag along a little.

-OK.

0:49:300:49:34

No, no, you didn't see that.

0:49:340:49:35

-He did, he's very clever. Ready?

-Yeah.

0:49:350:49:38

It was Layla's direct pitch that impressed the Dragon.

0:49:400:49:43

When you're ready, throw the rabbit onto the short grass.

0:49:430:49:47

But can she deliver on the figures she gave in the Den?

0:49:470:49:51

Encouragingly, Layla says she has already hit her 2011 turnover target of 125,000.

0:49:540:50:01

Since being on Dragon's Den, Hawksdrift has grown dramatically.

0:50:040:50:09

We have actually exceeded our forecasted figure for the second year by £7,000 extra.

0:50:090:50:13

It does still need a lot of work and it still needs a lot of help and input from my Dragon.

0:50:130:50:19

So far, Layla has invested most of her profits back into the business

0:50:200:50:24

and has started work on a brand-new aviary.

0:50:240:50:27

What happened here?

0:50:270:50:28

We'd just laid all the concrete, and it was going on, and the horse walked straight down the middle.

0:50:280:50:33

And then the cat came in the end and she's put her paw prints down there too.

0:50:330:50:39

As a brand-new company, things are changing quickly,

0:50:390:50:42

and Layla has some questions she needs to ask her Dragon.

0:50:420:50:46

Driving the business forward has become more like trying to hold it back,

0:50:460:50:50

because there are more contracts coming

0:50:500:50:52

than I can physically take on with the number of staff I have.

0:50:520:50:55

I believe you started as an ice-cream man.

0:50:550:50:57

At some point, you must have made that transition to being an employer

0:50:570:51:01

from a person who did it all yourself.

0:51:010:51:03

Delegation's difficult for some people. I never had a problem with it.

0:51:030:51:07

You've got to be able to trust people, let them run with it, let them make mistakes,

0:51:070:51:11

pay them a decent salary, more than you pay yourself, and still make a little bit of profit.

0:51:110:51:17

The future looks bright for this partnership -

0:51:170:51:21

with Duncan's hotel credentials, he is best placed to help her expand into weddings and events.

0:51:210:51:26

I think one of the main reasons I invested in you was

0:51:260:51:29

your absolute honesty. I think that still shines through,

0:51:290:51:32

-I like that. So I think we'll see what happens next.

-Thank you.

0:51:320:51:36

Do you want to sit in the caravan and have a cup of tea?

0:51:360:51:39

I don't have any water. The spring just dried up.

0:51:390:51:44

-What do you have for breakfast?

-Red Bull.

0:51:440:51:47

I think she will take my advice on board and I will work with her,

0:51:490:51:52

and she will continue to expand into a big business.

0:51:520:51:56

He is helping me now a great deal as I'm moving through getting more staff

0:51:560:52:00

and basically making the changes the company needs.

0:52:000:52:04

I'd like to prove to Duncan that he was right to invest

0:52:040:52:07

and that we are going to be a very successful company,

0:52:070:52:10

that we will never lose his money

0:52:100:52:12

and we will pay him back time and time again over the years.

0:52:120:52:15

I'm glad I made this investment.

0:52:150:52:16

-We've learnt that pitching is all about keeping calm.

-I can't talk.

0:52:310:52:35

Practice. Presentation. Passion.

0:52:350:52:38

It will be a revolution in the shower market.

0:52:380:52:41

-Honestly and being likeable.

-I'll take you to court.

0:52:410:52:44

I won't think twice about it.

0:52:440:52:47

But one question hasn't been answered.

0:52:470:52:49

Since Dragon's Den began, which pitch has been the closest to perfection?

0:52:490:52:55

If you want a demonstration of how to pitch in here, that is it.

0:52:550:52:58

I still remember Levi Roots coming up the stairs playing a guitar.

0:52:580:53:01

# Give me some Reggae Reggae Sauce

0:53:010:53:05

# Hot Reggae Reggae Sauce... #

0:53:050:53:08

I was half thinking you should be at an X Factor audition.

0:53:080:53:11

But it was impactful.

0:53:110:53:14

Ian Chamings, MixAlbum.

0:53:140:53:16

With our technology, anybody can choose whichever dance tracks they want

0:53:160:53:20

and hear them mixed together with the click of a button.

0:53:200:53:23

He absolutely made it clear what he did and why I should back him.

0:53:230:53:28

No-one else in the world can do this.

0:53:280:53:31

But there's one that stands out.

0:53:330:53:35

It may not be the most technically perfect pitch,

0:53:350:53:37

but it takes all the boxes.

0:53:370:53:40

Kirsty Henshaw gave one of the best pitches we have seen in the Den.

0:53:440:53:48

It wasn't flashy -

0:53:480:53:50

no-one would say she was bombastic or overselling her product.

0:53:500:53:55

Particularly appealing was the fact that she came across as authentic.

0:53:550:54:00

I'm Kirsty, I'm 24 years old and I'm here today

0:54:000:54:03

asking for £65,000 for a 15% equity stake in my company, Worthenshaws.

0:54:030:54:09

She pitched it so well and she was so passionate about it.

0:54:090:54:12

The inspiration behind my range stems from my four-year-old child

0:54:120:54:16

who has a serious nut allergy and is dairy-intolerant.

0:54:160:54:20

She so clearly deeply understood what she was doing,

0:54:200:54:25

why she was doing it, what her market was.

0:54:250:54:28

I've sold 2,500 units so far.

0:54:280:54:32

But I went to a big meeting with a large supermarket about a month ago.

0:54:320:54:37

She just, answer by answer, won us over.

0:54:370:54:41

-Who is it?

-Tesco.

0:54:410:54:43

Fantastic story. Delivered so simply. What she told you was the truth, and you knew it was the truth.

0:54:440:54:50

Have you really done all this on your own?

0:54:500:54:54

Yes.

0:54:540:54:56

-I just worked 2 1/2 jobs at a time.

-How many?

0:54:560:55:01

Well, two jobs, and then I had a bit of a night job as well. I was self-employed.

0:55:010:55:05

Two jobs and a bit of a night job as well?

0:55:050:55:07

-And my little boy, yes.

-And your little boy.

0:55:070:55:09

I don't know how he puts up with me really, but yes.

0:55:090:55:13

You are pretty amazing, aren't you?

0:55:130:55:15

No, not really.

0:55:150:55:17

You got the emotion - you realised, sitting in that chair,

0:55:170:55:22

how much this opportunity meant to her as an individual,

0:55:220:55:25

and she was going to do everything she could to make it work.

0:55:250:55:28

I know that I cried

0:55:310:55:33

when she started crying,

0:55:330:55:35

and she really reached out and touched the audience.

0:55:350:55:38

I started to cry, for God's sake!

0:55:400:55:42

I had tears coming down when I saw Kirsty up there and she was crying

0:55:420:55:46

and Theo was crying and everyone was crying

0:55:460:55:49

and it was like a bag of tears.

0:55:490:55:51

They'd have been crazy not to have backed her.

0:55:510:55:54

I'm not going to give you £65,000...

0:55:550:55:58

I'm going to give you £100,000.

0:55:580:56:00

But I want 40%.

0:56:000:56:05

I'd like to make you an offer for the full amount you are asking for, 65,000. But I only want 25%.

0:56:050:56:12

What I will do is match Peter's offer.

0:56:120:56:15

Have a think about it.

0:56:150:56:17

You can say what swung it for Kirsty was the emotion, but for us,

0:56:170:56:22

it was the passion we were seeing.

0:56:220:56:24

That is when passion really, really sells the pitch.

0:56:240:56:27

Delivering a technical pitch isn't necessarily to be all and end all.

0:56:270:56:31

It is being able to keep calm and convince us

0:56:310:56:34

you know what this is about.

0:56:340:56:36

With four of the Dragons to choose from, Kirsty accepted an offer

0:56:360:56:40

from Peter Jones and Duncan Bannatyne.

0:56:400:56:43

It was like watching ET.

0:56:430:56:46

How can you watch ET at the end and not cry?

0:56:460:56:51

New business of the year. The winner is, Worthenshaws.

0:56:530:56:56

Fast forward a year, and Kirsty has been invited

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to the Northwest Business Awards to celebrate her success.

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She has now launched the product in all the major supermarkets

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and says she is on target to sell 25,000 tubs this year.

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I have shown that I can do it and I'm going to keep at it.

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I am really determined to make our company a success

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and I really hope we'll get there.

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With the production and distribution infrastructure now in place,

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Kirsty has the potential to turn her dream into a multi-million-pound business.

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I think the future for Kirsty, as one of her investors,

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is one of sheer excitement.

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She is extremely determined, she wants to do a lot of things herself,

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and I think she is destined for greatness.

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Just like one of Peter's previous investments.

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New Levi Roots.

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Levi Roots of the frozen products.

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Lord have mercy.

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Next time, the Dragons examine the art of negotiation...

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-Mark, 40%.

-30%.

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..and catch up with some of the entrepreneurs in the negotiating hall of fame.

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Bannatyne, how are you?

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Plus, who could be the best negotiator ever to walk up the Den's stairs?

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He cleaned it all out.

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