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This is the Dragons' Den. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:04 | |
Over the last six years, | 0:00:04 | 0:00:06 | |
700 entrepreneurs have walked up the stairs, looking for investment. | 0:00:06 | 0:00:10 | |
Before them, five of Britain's most successful business brains, | 0:00:10 | 0:00:14 | |
collectively worth a reported £1 billion. | 0:00:14 | 0:00:18 | |
Convincing them to part with their cash isn't easy, | 0:00:18 | 0:00:21 | |
but tonight, they've agreed to share their tips for success... | 0:00:21 | 0:00:25 | |
..from the initial idea to the pitch. | 0:00:27 | 0:00:30 | |
Are you ready for the alternative? | 0:00:30 | 0:00:32 | |
From the business plan... | 0:00:32 | 0:00:34 | |
The tidiest patent that I've ever seen. | 0:00:34 | 0:00:37 | |
-..to the negotiation. -5% each. | 0:00:37 | 0:00:39 | |
-10% in total. -Oh! | 0:00:39 | 0:00:41 | |
These are the business secrets that work outside the Den and within... | 0:00:41 | 0:00:44 | |
-Yes! -..revealed by the Dragons themselves | 0:00:44 | 0:00:47 | |
and the brave entrepreneurs who've dared to stand before them. | 0:00:47 | 0:00:51 | |
Tonight on How To Win In The Den, we examine the pitch. | 0:00:58 | 0:01:02 | |
Romeo meets Juliet. | 0:01:02 | 0:01:04 | |
It's a little bit harsh to expect | 0:01:04 | 0:01:05 | |
-your dog to hold his bladder for hours on end. Right, Trish? -Exactly. | 0:01:05 | 0:01:09 | |
Erm... | 0:01:10 | 0:01:13 | |
From a school assembly to a job interview or a wedding speech, | 0:01:13 | 0:01:16 | |
presentation and communication are skills we all need. | 0:01:16 | 0:01:19 | |
Feeling difficult, this. | 0:01:19 | 0:01:21 | |
In life, all the time, we're presenting ourselves, | 0:01:23 | 0:01:26 | |
we're selling ourselves, so we're pitching. | 0:01:26 | 0:01:29 | |
Be confident about yourself, be sure about what you want. | 0:01:30 | 0:01:33 | |
16.5 million. | 0:01:33 | 0:01:35 | |
It just takes a millisecond to lose your trail of thought. | 0:01:35 | 0:01:38 | |
I don't know my figures! | 0:01:38 | 0:01:40 | |
You just can't recover from it. | 0:01:40 | 0:01:42 | |
If you like, I'll show you and let you see it work. | 0:01:42 | 0:01:44 | |
If you don't believe, don't do it. You've got to put | 0:01:44 | 0:01:47 | |
your whole heart into it. | 0:01:47 | 0:01:48 | |
Now the Dragons are catching up with their investments... | 0:01:48 | 0:01:52 | |
-He's a beauty. -..and revisiting some of those they sent packing... | 0:01:52 | 0:01:56 | |
Gosh, you're not being serious? You haven't even got the .com? | 0:01:56 | 0:01:59 | |
..as they break down the rules of engagement... | 0:01:59 | 0:02:02 | |
Make yourself understood. | 0:02:02 | 0:02:04 | |
-Keep calm. -Grab their attention. | 0:02:04 | 0:02:06 | |
Let the inner you shine through. | 0:02:06 | 0:02:08 | |
You've got to rehearse. | 0:02:08 | 0:02:09 | |
Be honest and be credible. | 0:02:09 | 0:02:10 | |
..whether you want to make money or just be heard. | 0:02:10 | 0:02:15 | |
These are the lessons you need to know | 0:02:16 | 0:02:18 | |
if you want to be pitch perfect. | 0:02:18 | 0:02:20 | |
-Morning, chaps. -It's another year, | 0:02:26 | 0:02:28 | |
and the Dragons are back in the Den to film a ninth series. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:31 | |
It's amazing how you step back into Dragons' Den. | 0:02:33 | 0:02:35 | |
It completely takes over your life. | 0:02:35 | 0:02:37 | |
And this year, logistics millionaire Hilary Devey joined the team. | 0:02:37 | 0:02:42 | |
This is my seat. | 0:02:42 | 0:02:43 | |
Probably the most uncomfortable, I would say! | 0:02:43 | 0:02:47 | |
Duncan's got the best. But then... | 0:02:47 | 0:02:48 | |
That was my seat, and I loved that seat, | 0:02:48 | 0:02:50 | |
but they gave it to you because they didn't want you stuck on the end. | 0:02:50 | 0:02:54 | |
Yeah, cos you're such a gentleman(!) | 0:02:54 | 0:02:57 | |
The days in the Den are long, and the Dragons sit through | 0:02:57 | 0:03:00 | |
hours and hours of pitches. | 0:03:00 | 0:03:02 | |
So, if you want them to sit up and take notice, | 0:03:05 | 0:03:08 | |
you have to stimulate them. | 0:03:08 | 0:03:09 | |
The visual impact is actually mega important. | 0:03:09 | 0:03:12 | |
It's like the first piece of your presentation. | 0:03:12 | 0:03:15 | |
So, the Dragons' first rule of pitching is | 0:03:15 | 0:03:18 | |
to make a good impression. | 0:03:18 | 0:03:19 | |
The Dragons are human beings. They need something that'll get their attention, get them excited, | 0:03:21 | 0:03:26 | |
that'll arouse a little bit of passion. | 0:03:26 | 0:03:28 | |
'The first impression is always important, in all walks of life.' | 0:03:28 | 0:03:32 | |
# Come and taste some salsas with me! # | 0:03:32 | 0:03:35 | |
It's the same as coming on the Den. | 0:03:35 | 0:03:36 | |
And no matter how many pitches they sit through, the Dragons have | 0:03:36 | 0:03:40 | |
learned that they can't predict what will come up the stairs. | 0:03:40 | 0:03:43 | |
-We've had a pig... -This pig is worth its weight in gold. | 0:03:43 | 0:03:47 | |
..loads of dogs... | 0:03:47 | 0:03:49 | |
Dancers! | 0:03:49 | 0:03:50 | |
But remember, an entertaining pitch doesn't always get investment. | 0:03:52 | 0:03:56 | |
You've got to remember that, if you do that, | 0:03:58 | 0:04:00 | |
you raise people's expectation levels. | 0:04:00 | 0:04:02 | |
# Dance at Razzamatazz, yeah! # | 0:04:02 | 0:04:04 | |
You can make real bad mistakes | 0:04:06 | 0:04:08 | |
by getting that visual impact completely wrong | 0:04:08 | 0:04:10 | |
and not correlate it to your business. | 0:04:10 | 0:04:12 | |
It's a total waste of time, thinking you're going to schmooze | 0:04:13 | 0:04:16 | |
a Dragon just because you've come on and done a little bit of a dance. | 0:04:16 | 0:04:21 | |
# Jump, jump, jump up to the sky... # | 0:04:21 | 0:04:25 | |
You haven't got a brand, so for that reason, I'm out. | 0:04:26 | 0:04:29 | |
One man who takes presentation very seriously is | 0:04:36 | 0:04:40 | |
ex-radio presenter Bob Davies. | 0:04:40 | 0:04:42 | |
Bob entered the Den this year, | 0:04:42 | 0:04:44 | |
looking for investment in his entertainment concept. | 0:04:44 | 0:04:46 | |
I'm here today to ask you for a £50,000 cash injection | 0:04:47 | 0:04:52 | |
for a 20% share in a brand-new company that will | 0:04:52 | 0:04:56 | |
manufacture and market an interactive game challenge. | 0:04:56 | 0:05:01 | |
He looked fantastic. Bow tie... Who wears a bow tie these days, man?! | 0:05:01 | 0:05:05 | |
Good on you, Bob! | 0:05:05 | 0:05:06 | |
This is a business presentation. | 0:05:06 | 0:05:09 | |
'You wouldn't walk into your bank manager with an open shirt | 0:05:09 | 0:05:13 | |
'and a pair of tatty jeans and trainers, would you?' | 0:05:13 | 0:05:16 | |
I wouldn't. | 0:05:18 | 0:05:19 | |
As a seasoned showman, Bob knew how to play the crowd | 0:05:19 | 0:05:23 | |
and wasn't hesitant in giving his product the hard sell. | 0:05:23 | 0:05:26 | |
I've been in the event industry for just over 25 years. | 0:05:26 | 0:05:30 | |
I've worked for many large companies, and small, | 0:05:30 | 0:05:33 | |
and one thing that is apparent in order to maintain their market share, | 0:05:33 | 0:05:37 | |
they will have to do one of the following. | 0:05:37 | 0:05:40 | |
That is to organise an exhibition, | 0:05:40 | 0:05:42 | |
staff motivation, maybe a charity event, | 0:05:42 | 0:05:44 | |
to create PR as well, and certainly just maybe a good old bash. | 0:05:44 | 0:05:49 | |
This product clearly ticks all of the boxes. | 0:05:49 | 0:05:52 | |
I wanted to keep the cover on as long as I possibly could | 0:05:52 | 0:05:55 | |
so everything was there. | 0:05:55 | 0:05:58 | |
So, before we take the cover off, this really has so much potential. | 0:05:59 | 0:06:03 | |
Five revenue streams. | 0:06:03 | 0:06:06 | |
Bob, it'd better be good! That's all I've got to say! | 0:06:06 | 0:06:08 | |
It sounds it, though, doesn't it?! | 0:06:08 | 0:06:10 | |
-It is good. -Get on with it! | 0:06:10 | 0:06:12 | |
Dragons, are you ready | 0:06:12 | 0:06:14 | |
for the alternative that everyone is waiting for? | 0:06:14 | 0:06:16 | |
This is Bob's Box. | 0:06:21 | 0:06:24 | |
Immediately, new Dragon Hilary Devey stepped forward | 0:06:27 | 0:06:31 | |
to play Bob's interactive game, giving him | 0:06:31 | 0:06:33 | |
an opportunity to demonstrate his product. | 0:06:33 | 0:06:38 | |
'When Hilary said, "Can I have a go?" ' | 0:06:38 | 0:06:41 | |
and she got into the machine, she saw then the potential. | 0:06:41 | 0:06:46 | |
It's been used by a couple of exhibition companies, | 0:06:46 | 0:06:49 | |
twice by two TV production companies. | 0:06:49 | 0:06:51 | |
It's highly visual, we are ready to take it to market right now. | 0:06:51 | 0:06:54 | |
-That's where I need your help. -Tell me a bit about yourself and your background. | 0:06:54 | 0:06:58 | |
I'm MD of an event company. | 0:06:58 | 0:06:59 | |
I'm known in the event trade as the car showroom king. | 0:06:59 | 0:07:03 | |
Whenever there's a car launch being facilitated, | 0:07:03 | 0:07:07 | |
I'm an approved supplier for events. | 0:07:07 | 0:07:09 | |
Bob's experience in the events industry was impressive, | 0:07:09 | 0:07:13 | |
but Duncan Bannatyne was perplexed | 0:07:13 | 0:07:15 | |
about why he hadn't offered the Dragons | 0:07:15 | 0:07:18 | |
a share of his already-established business. | 0:07:18 | 0:07:21 | |
Why not put that in your existing company, | 0:07:21 | 0:07:23 | |
going to make some money from this, | 0:07:23 | 0:07:25 | |
-as well as what we're doing already? -Erm... | 0:07:25 | 0:07:27 | |
There is no real total objection to that. | 0:07:29 | 0:07:31 | |
If I could have my time again and go up the stairs... | 0:07:31 | 0:07:34 | |
Go up the stairs and come back and say that to me. | 0:07:34 | 0:07:36 | |
In a Den first, Bob was told to go back down the stairs. | 0:07:40 | 0:07:43 | |
I didn't think it was going to work from then on, to be honest! | 0:07:43 | 0:07:47 | |
But he seized the opportunity to pitch again. | 0:07:48 | 0:07:50 | |
'That was a real big lifeline.' | 0:07:52 | 0:07:54 | |
I came back up the stairs and said, "Hello, my name's Bob Davies..." | 0:07:54 | 0:07:58 | |
I'm here today to offer you a 20% equity share in my company, | 0:07:58 | 0:08:03 | |
which is currently very successful in its own marketplace. | 0:08:03 | 0:08:07 | |
With a better deal on the table, it was over to the Dragons, | 0:08:07 | 0:08:10 | |
but they weren't buying into the concept. | 0:08:10 | 0:08:13 | |
I'm going to wish you the real best of luck, but I'm out. | 0:08:13 | 0:08:16 | |
It's not investable, I'm out. | 0:08:16 | 0:08:18 | |
As lovely as you are, I won't be investing in you. I'm out. | 0:08:18 | 0:08:22 | |
Thank you. | 0:08:22 | 0:08:24 | |
Only Hilary Devey and Duncan Bannatyne were left. | 0:08:25 | 0:08:27 | |
Would they see something the other Dragons had missed? | 0:08:27 | 0:08:30 | |
Bob, I really wish I could find a reason to invest in you. | 0:08:32 | 0:08:35 | |
I've got to say, I'm sorry, Bob, but I'm out. | 0:08:36 | 0:08:38 | |
OK, thank you, Duncan. | 0:08:38 | 0:08:40 | |
Bob. | 0:08:40 | 0:08:42 | |
I could see that working at a corporate event. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:45 | |
I could see that bringing to my own business's corporate event. | 0:08:45 | 0:08:49 | |
I'd like to make you an offer. 50K for 20%... | 0:08:50 | 0:08:54 | |
..of your new product and your unique ideas, initially. | 0:08:56 | 0:09:00 | |
The new Dragon wanted a share of both the game | 0:09:02 | 0:09:05 | |
and Bob's event business, | 0:09:05 | 0:09:07 | |
but would Bob be prepared to give so much away? | 0:09:07 | 0:09:10 | |
Hilary... | 0:09:10 | 0:09:11 | |
I look forward to working with you, Bob! | 0:09:13 | 0:09:16 | |
' # Bring me sunshine... # ' | 0:09:16 | 0:09:18 | |
I was so happy, it just... | 0:09:18 | 0:09:20 | |
I was on the floor, and the barometer went, whoosh! | 0:09:20 | 0:09:23 | |
Yes! | 0:09:23 | 0:09:25 | |
'Cyclone, we can do it!' | 0:09:26 | 0:09:27 | |
I'm just so, so pleased. It's a dream come true. | 0:09:29 | 0:09:33 | |
I've been working on the project for two years. | 0:09:33 | 0:09:35 | |
As a small business, as a person that has a dream, | 0:09:37 | 0:09:40 | |
to make it come true, it's... Words can't say it, perhaps... | 0:09:40 | 0:09:47 | |
it's time for some emotions. | 0:09:47 | 0:09:49 | |
After hundreds of hours spent developing his game, | 0:09:51 | 0:09:54 | |
Bob now has a multi-millionaire | 0:09:54 | 0:09:56 | |
with her own successful events company on board. | 0:09:56 | 0:09:59 | |
We did it. | 0:10:02 | 0:10:03 | |
But for Hilary, the hard work has only just begun. | 0:10:03 | 0:10:06 | |
He's got to learn - | 0:10:06 | 0:10:07 | |
God gave us two of these and one of these, and use them wisely. | 0:10:07 | 0:10:10 | |
We did it, son. We did it. | 0:10:10 | 0:10:13 | |
Two weeks later, Bob is on his way to meet his new business partner | 0:10:16 | 0:10:19 | |
and he's keen to prove that he will make a reliable one. | 0:10:19 | 0:10:23 | |
We'll bring out the business side, | 0:10:23 | 0:10:25 | |
and she can see there is two halves to this guy, both good halves. | 0:10:25 | 0:10:29 | |
Hilary often works from home, and her base here in central London | 0:10:32 | 0:10:36 | |
is where many of her high-level meetings take place. | 0:10:36 | 0:10:38 | |
This is my business pad. It's not everybody's taste, I might add. | 0:10:38 | 0:10:42 | |
-Hello, Bob. -Good afternoon. | 0:10:43 | 0:10:45 | |
So what does Hilary expect from her investment? | 0:10:45 | 0:10:48 | |
Good to see you. | 0:10:48 | 0:10:49 | |
'I sacrificed my whole life to get my business to where it is today.' | 0:10:49 | 0:10:53 | |
So you've dressed up for me again, Bob! | 0:10:53 | 0:10:56 | |
Perhaps nobody will make the self-sacrifices I made, | 0:10:56 | 0:10:59 | |
but I hope they will make some self-sacrifice. | 0:10:59 | 0:11:02 | |
I've got some things that I need to talk to you about. | 0:11:04 | 0:11:07 | |
After the Den, every deal goes through a meticulous process | 0:11:07 | 0:11:11 | |
of due diligence, so now Bob will have to answer | 0:11:11 | 0:11:13 | |
some tricky questions. | 0:11:13 | 0:11:15 | |
Try and talk me through why, in 1997, when you bought that business, | 0:11:15 | 0:11:19 | |
you had a turnover of 400,000... | 0:11:19 | 0:11:23 | |
-Yes. -..but you've then dropped to where you're at now, | 0:11:23 | 0:11:28 | |
which is 86K, you're projecting this year. | 0:11:28 | 0:11:31 | |
-86 was last year's figures. -You only took a salary of 12K. | 0:11:31 | 0:11:37 | |
That's right. | 0:11:37 | 0:11:38 | |
Clearly, you've not had | 0:11:38 | 0:11:40 | |
any commercial input into your business at all. | 0:11:40 | 0:11:42 | |
What you've done is allow 14 years to happen | 0:11:42 | 0:11:46 | |
with a degenerating revenue stream, | 0:11:46 | 0:11:49 | |
and not really thought about why this is happening. | 0:11:49 | 0:11:52 | |
Do you have monthly management accounts? | 0:11:52 | 0:11:54 | |
Erm... I look at... No... | 0:11:54 | 0:12:00 | |
I don't like it. | 0:12:00 | 0:12:01 | |
-And I will be enforcing that on you. -With Hilary on board, | 0:12:03 | 0:12:07 | |
it's clear that Bob will need to pay more attention | 0:12:07 | 0:12:09 | |
to the way he runs his business. | 0:12:09 | 0:12:11 | |
-What I think about you is, you're jumping around. -Yes. | 0:12:12 | 0:12:15 | |
What we've got to do is focus this business in one direction. | 0:12:15 | 0:12:20 | |
Hilary, I feel like I'm the oldest apprentice in town. | 0:12:20 | 0:12:24 | |
-Every single day, you learn something. -Yes. -Every single day. | 0:12:24 | 0:12:28 | |
I appreciate that. | 0:12:28 | 0:12:29 | |
We're going to put every effort we can into this to try and make it work. | 0:12:29 | 0:12:32 | |
'I'm sure if anybody can rein Bob in, I can.' | 0:12:32 | 0:12:36 | |
I've got to get him to start thinking more commercially | 0:12:36 | 0:12:40 | |
than acting as a compere or a master of ceremonies. | 0:12:40 | 0:12:43 | |
Hilary is unimpressed with Bob's business acumen, | 0:12:43 | 0:12:46 | |
but he's determined to show her he can make a success of the game. | 0:12:46 | 0:12:50 | |
So, he's invited her down to the South Bank to see it in action. | 0:12:50 | 0:12:55 | |
If you can take the challenge, go for gold. | 0:12:56 | 0:12:58 | |
I'm hoping that he gets a fantastic reaction from the public. | 0:12:58 | 0:13:03 | |
Cos that will demonstrate to me | 0:13:03 | 0:13:05 | |
that it is a business that's going to work. | 0:13:05 | 0:13:07 | |
It's called the Cyclone Game Cube. | 0:13:07 | 0:13:09 | |
Hilary already owns an events business, | 0:13:11 | 0:13:14 | |
and her plan is to incorporate Bob's concept | 0:13:14 | 0:13:17 | |
into her successful portfolio. | 0:13:17 | 0:13:19 | |
I have no problems turning everything around so I can prove | 0:13:19 | 0:13:22 | |
I do have that business head. | 0:13:22 | 0:13:24 | |
-What did you think of the game? -It was brilliant. We had a lot of fun. | 0:13:24 | 0:13:28 | |
It was brilliant, yeah. | 0:13:28 | 0:13:29 | |
-Awesome. -Awesome! Absolutely awesome! | 0:13:29 | 0:13:33 | |
The public have spoken, but is Hilary convinced that | 0:13:33 | 0:13:38 | |
the Cyclone Game Cube has a profitable future? | 0:13:38 | 0:13:40 | |
We've had people from Ireland, from Sweden, from North Carolina. | 0:13:40 | 0:13:44 | |
There hasn't been one negative response. | 0:13:44 | 0:13:47 | |
That's surely got to be a very positive sign. | 0:13:48 | 0:13:52 | |
Bob has pulled out all the stops | 0:13:52 | 0:13:54 | |
-to show the Dragon there is value in his company. -Off you go. | 0:13:54 | 0:13:58 | |
His business may have been in decline, | 0:13:58 | 0:14:00 | |
but Hilary is convinced that, with her help, | 0:14:00 | 0:14:03 | |
they will turn things around. | 0:14:03 | 0:14:05 | |
Today has really given me | 0:14:05 | 0:14:08 | |
an insight into the true opportunity of this as a business venture. | 0:14:08 | 0:14:12 | |
That, to me, has enthused me to take this business to the next level. | 0:14:12 | 0:14:17 | |
Over the years, the Den has seen hundreds of people | 0:14:27 | 0:14:31 | |
make presentations before the Dragons. | 0:14:31 | 0:14:33 | |
If they want investment, | 0:14:34 | 0:14:35 | |
they need to make sure that everything goes to plan. | 0:14:35 | 0:14:38 | |
There's a slight panic to make sure | 0:14:38 | 0:14:40 | |
that it's actually going to work when we set it up! | 0:14:40 | 0:14:43 | |
So, the next lesson from the Dragons is simple - practice makes perfect. | 0:14:44 | 0:14:50 | |
It amazes me how often you see people who go in | 0:14:52 | 0:14:55 | |
and look as though they're delivering this really for the first time. | 0:14:55 | 0:14:59 | |
Erm... A... | 0:14:59 | 0:15:03 | |
Practise in front of people. | 0:15:03 | 0:15:05 | |
Practise it, practise it, then come along and say it succinctly. | 0:15:05 | 0:15:09 | |
I'm sorry, I've really lost it. I do apologise. | 0:15:10 | 0:15:13 | |
And there's one element of the pitch that, | 0:15:13 | 0:15:16 | |
if left unrehearsed, can dash your hopes of an investment. | 0:15:16 | 0:15:19 | |
The Knowledge - the premium-rate telephone helpline. | 0:15:19 | 0:15:22 | |
You have to practise your demonstration. | 0:15:22 | 0:15:24 | |
'Please wait. | 0:15:24 | 0:15:26 | |
'Please wait.' | 0:15:28 | 0:15:29 | |
Murphy's law says the day you do a demonstration, it's going to fail. | 0:15:29 | 0:15:33 | |
-I'm never going to call you again, because it doesn't work. -Right. | 0:15:33 | 0:15:36 | |
Do not assume anything. | 0:15:36 | 0:15:39 | |
So, who looks like they could have done with another rehearsal? | 0:15:39 | 0:15:44 | |
HE PLAYS BADLY | 0:15:44 | 0:15:47 | |
One person who came across as unprepared was Samantha Gore. | 0:15:49 | 0:15:53 | |
I'm seizing the moment and I'm here today | 0:15:53 | 0:15:56 | |
to pitch for £275,000 for 10% of my company. | 0:15:56 | 0:15:59 | |
She entered the Den in 2008 with her invention, | 0:15:59 | 0:16:03 | |
designed to deter criminals. | 0:16:03 | 0:16:04 | |
I will start... If you would like to guess what it is... | 0:16:04 | 0:16:09 | |
Now, there's two... Right. | 0:16:09 | 0:16:11 | |
MUSIC PLAYS FROM BOX | 0:16:11 | 0:16:15 | |
It's an occupancy simulator. | 0:16:15 | 0:16:18 | |
It's quite difficult to see | 0:16:21 | 0:16:23 | |
from the... It's a TV, a fake TV. | 0:16:23 | 0:16:27 | |
What's going on? I haven't got a clue. | 0:16:27 | 0:16:29 | |
-Pardon? -You've lost me. | 0:16:29 | 0:16:31 | |
-A fake TV? -Yeah. | 0:16:31 | 0:16:33 | |
No, it's not, it's like a radio. | 0:16:33 | 0:16:35 | |
She demonstrated a product, and we all said, "What does it do?" | 0:16:35 | 0:16:38 | |
That's my mistake - black's going to absorb it. | 0:16:38 | 0:16:40 | |
The white's going to reflect it. Sorry, sorry. | 0:16:40 | 0:16:43 | |
When entrepreneurs come onto the Den and they've not prepared, | 0:16:43 | 0:16:46 | |
I think there's no excuse for that. | 0:16:46 | 0:16:48 | |
One of the worst pitches that I've ever heard. | 0:16:48 | 0:16:53 | |
And if you don't get it right the first time, | 0:16:53 | 0:16:55 | |
for heaven's sake, make sure you get it right the second time. | 0:16:55 | 0:16:58 | |
Hardly anyone comes back to the Den, but a year later, Samantha was given | 0:16:58 | 0:17:03 | |
a second chance to pitch a new range of security blinds and curtains. | 0:17:03 | 0:17:08 | |
I think this is going to be the best product that's ready to go now. | 0:17:08 | 0:17:11 | |
It's my retrofit curtain closers. | 0:17:11 | 0:17:13 | |
Unbelievable. | 0:17:16 | 0:17:17 | |
'It was really strange.' | 0:17:17 | 0:17:19 | |
I was absolutely flabbergasted when it didn't work. | 0:17:19 | 0:17:22 | |
I've tested it a million times. | 0:17:22 | 0:17:24 | |
It was just practice - I should have practised a lot more. | 0:17:24 | 0:17:27 | |
Samantha went back to doing what she does best. | 0:17:28 | 0:17:31 | |
Running her chain of Japanese restaurants. | 0:17:34 | 0:17:36 | |
But she's not giving up on her security inventions, | 0:17:36 | 0:17:40 | |
which she says have sold in their hundreds online. | 0:17:40 | 0:17:43 | |
We've expanded the restaurants, | 0:17:43 | 0:17:45 | |
plus I've been doing my electronics as well. | 0:17:45 | 0:17:47 | |
So I've continued just to work harder than I've ever worked in my life. | 0:17:47 | 0:17:51 | |
Another pitch that famously went awry was James Seddon, | 0:17:51 | 0:17:55 | |
who stood before the Dragons five years ago | 0:17:55 | 0:17:58 | |
with his electric egg cooker invention. | 0:17:58 | 0:18:01 | |
It's a sort of toaster for eggs. | 0:18:01 | 0:18:03 | |
Yeah, the egg cooker... legendary, legendary. | 0:18:03 | 0:18:07 | |
As soon as it's finished, it beeps, and that's it, it's done. | 0:18:07 | 0:18:10 | |
I forgot to put the egg in! | 0:18:10 | 0:18:12 | |
DUNCAN LAUGHS | 0:18:12 | 0:18:13 | |
He's nearly as much of a legend as me, actually! | 0:18:13 | 0:18:16 | |
Tried three times to demonstrate that this egg thing could actually | 0:18:16 | 0:18:19 | |
boil his egg perfectly. | 0:18:19 | 0:18:21 | |
-I'm afraid this one hasn't cooked properly, I'm sorry to say. -Oh! | 0:18:21 | 0:18:24 | |
You go, "Ooh, no!" You're like, "Oh!" | 0:18:25 | 0:18:27 | |
-For some reason... -Why didn't this one work? -I haven't got a clue. | 0:18:27 | 0:18:31 | |
You think, "You idiot! It's your big moment and you completely spoilt it!" | 0:18:31 | 0:18:35 | |
It does work, I promise you. | 0:18:35 | 0:18:36 | |
But five years on, the product still isn't ready to be mass-produced. | 0:18:36 | 0:18:41 | |
Remortgaged my house, almost mortgaged my kids. | 0:18:41 | 0:18:43 | |
If it doesn't work soon, we're in deep trouble. | 0:18:43 | 0:18:46 | |
There we are - five years to cook an egg! | 0:18:46 | 0:18:48 | |
That's it! | 0:18:48 | 0:18:50 | |
The knee-trembling walk up the steps into the Dragons' Den can mean | 0:18:59 | 0:19:02 | |
only one thing to our dry-mouthed entrepreneurs - | 0:19:02 | 0:19:06 | |
their pitch is about to begin. | 0:19:06 | 0:19:08 | |
I'm very, very nervous. | 0:19:10 | 0:19:12 | |
I'm absolutely petrified to be going on there. | 0:19:12 | 0:19:15 | |
I'm just praying that I don't fall to pieces! | 0:19:16 | 0:19:19 | |
A few lucky entrepreneurs get it right. But many don't. They dry up. | 0:19:20 | 0:19:25 | |
Er, we're, er... | 0:19:29 | 0:19:30 | |
So, the next tip from the Dragons is absolutely imperative. | 0:19:30 | 0:19:34 | |
Keep your nerve. | 0:19:36 | 0:19:37 | |
Going into the Den is incredibly nerve-wracking. | 0:19:42 | 0:19:45 | |
You're physically...just very slightly out of breath, | 0:19:45 | 0:19:48 | |
cos you've been climbing up some stairs. | 0:19:48 | 0:19:50 | |
No-one says, "Thank you for coming to the Den, | 0:19:50 | 0:19:53 | |
"what would you like to show us?" | 0:19:53 | 0:19:55 | |
You have to start from cold. | 0:19:55 | 0:19:57 | |
'You have to be able to tell the potential investor' | 0:19:57 | 0:20:00 | |
what your idea is. | 0:20:00 | 0:20:02 | |
Musiccontrol will offer... | 0:20:02 | 0:20:04 | |
-How it works. -Musiccontrol will... | 0:20:07 | 0:20:10 | |
Account to royalty collection agencies. | 0:20:12 | 0:20:14 | |
-If you can't do that, there's no point going on. -Excuse us. -Sorry. | 0:20:14 | 0:20:18 | |
-They start sweating, they lose their lines. -Um... | 0:20:19 | 0:20:24 | |
Forgetful. | 0:20:24 | 0:20:25 | |
HE SIGHS | 0:20:25 | 0:20:26 | |
Phew! | 0:20:27 | 0:20:28 | |
And before you know it, they're buffoons. | 0:20:28 | 0:20:30 | |
-Hello, I'm Peter. -Hello, Peter! | 0:20:30 | 0:20:33 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:20:33 | 0:20:35 | |
Oh, God. | 0:20:35 | 0:20:36 | |
I've completely lost it. | 0:20:38 | 0:20:39 | |
-Sorry. -You can hear the nervousness in the voices. | 0:20:39 | 0:20:42 | |
You would be investing in HandyGirl as a brand. | 0:20:42 | 0:20:45 | |
My heart goes out to them. | 0:20:45 | 0:20:47 | |
It's currently going through CAA certification. | 0:20:47 | 0:20:49 | |
They do have to get their act together pretty quickly. | 0:20:49 | 0:20:52 | |
'Business is tough.' | 0:20:54 | 0:20:56 | |
'You just have to get out there' | 0:20:57 | 0:20:59 | |
and you've got to step up and deliver. | 0:20:59 | 0:21:01 | |
So, what advice do the Dragons have for people who find | 0:21:01 | 0:21:05 | |
the prospect of entering the Den terrifying? | 0:21:05 | 0:21:08 | |
Take a sip of water, take a step back and start again. | 0:21:08 | 0:21:11 | |
I'll start again - compose myself. | 0:21:11 | 0:21:13 | |
I used to sing Eye Of The Tiger. In my mind. | 0:21:13 | 0:21:18 | |
INTRO PLAYS | 0:21:18 | 0:21:20 | |
# Da-da-daaa, da-da-daaa Da-da-da, da da da da-da. # | 0:21:20 | 0:21:24 | |
One person who froze before the Dragons was Andy Harmer, | 0:21:28 | 0:21:32 | |
who entered the Den in 2007 to pitch his idea for an agency of lookalikes. | 0:21:32 | 0:21:38 | |
-I thought it was my birthday - David Beckham arrives into the Den. -Hi. | 0:21:38 | 0:21:43 | |
-He looked fabulous! -My name's Andy Harmer. | 0:21:43 | 0:21:46 | |
My company name is the Double Dates. | 0:21:46 | 0:21:49 | |
My idea is a celebrity entertainment concept which allows | 0:21:49 | 0:21:52 | |
the everyday person to be a celebrity for the day. | 0:21:52 | 0:21:55 | |
'I'd nailed my pitch before then. I was confident... | 0:21:55 | 0:21:59 | |
'until I messed up my first line...' | 0:21:59 | 0:22:03 | |
And that's how I lost what I was going to say. | 0:22:03 | 0:22:06 | |
Basically, er... | 0:22:06 | 0:22:08 | |
What...my... | 0:22:09 | 0:22:11 | |
What my concept is... | 0:22:11 | 0:22:14 | |
Bless him, I felt so sorry for him. | 0:22:15 | 0:22:17 | |
He just totally forgot what he was talking about. | 0:22:17 | 0:22:20 | |
He was just standing there saying, "I can't talk." | 0:22:20 | 0:22:23 | |
I totally... I can't talk. | 0:22:23 | 0:22:25 | |
Oh, my God! Oh! | 0:22:25 | 0:22:27 | |
Here's a man who's supposed to be in the entertainment world, | 0:22:27 | 0:22:31 | |
going to be on the stage and doing all that. | 0:22:31 | 0:22:34 | |
'I thought, that's weird.' | 0:22:34 | 0:22:36 | |
'It's the lights beaming down on you. | 0:22:36 | 0:22:38 | |
'You start to sweat.' | 0:22:38 | 0:22:40 | |
The Dragons just saying nothing. | 0:22:40 | 0:22:43 | |
'It just builds up the pressure.' | 0:22:43 | 0:22:44 | |
I was virtually THAT close to pretending to faint. | 0:22:46 | 0:22:50 | |
I... What I've done is I've created... I can't talk! | 0:22:50 | 0:22:54 | |
Luckily for Andy, Will Smith and Captain Jack Sparrow were there to support him. | 0:22:59 | 0:23:04 | |
How are you doing, Dragons? All right? | 0:23:04 | 0:23:06 | |
We've got exclusivity contracts with Grosvenor Casinos, celebrity nightclubs, recording studios | 0:23:06 | 0:23:12 | |
photo studios and limousine companies. | 0:23:12 | 0:23:15 | |
Obviously, with all of my celebrity doubles. | 0:23:15 | 0:23:19 | |
If you lose track, you've got to focus, | 0:23:19 | 0:23:23 | |
regroup and work out a way of getting back on track. | 0:23:23 | 0:23:27 | |
Fortunately, Deborah Meaden was on hand to clear up the situation. | 0:23:27 | 0:23:32 | |
You've got some celebrity lookalikes and you're offering people | 0:23:32 | 0:23:36 | |
to be able to hire them for the day to do celebrity-type stuff. | 0:23:36 | 0:23:40 | |
It's not just the celebrity lookalike. It's the whole day. | 0:23:40 | 0:23:43 | |
-That's what I mean by the celebrity-type stuff. -Yes. -Is that in a nutshell? -That's correct. | 0:23:43 | 0:23:48 | |
-Should have had me doing your pitch for you. -Yeah. | 0:23:48 | 0:23:51 | |
But anything can happen in the Den, | 0:23:51 | 0:23:53 | |
and Andy's fortunes were about to change. | 0:23:53 | 0:23:58 | |
You need money to tell people out there | 0:23:58 | 0:24:00 | |
the service that you're willing to offer. | 0:24:00 | 0:24:02 | |
-Yes. -Andy, I'm afraid I don't agree with Peter. | 0:24:02 | 0:24:05 | |
-You can phone these people up... -But he's got that now. | 0:24:05 | 0:24:08 | |
-But he's not doing it now. -But he won't... | 0:24:08 | 0:24:10 | |
'Then the dragons started to actually LIKE my idea | 0:24:10 | 0:24:14 | |
'and started to argue' | 0:24:14 | 0:24:15 | |
in-between themselves. | 0:24:15 | 0:24:17 | |
I thought, maybe, from the bad start, I could turn this around. | 0:24:17 | 0:24:22 | |
I'd put up £50,000 | 0:24:22 | 0:24:27 | |
and I'd want 25%. | 0:24:27 | 0:24:30 | |
A shock offer from former Dragon James Caan meant Andy | 0:24:30 | 0:24:33 | |
had half the money, but would another one be interested? | 0:24:33 | 0:24:38 | |
You ain't going to make it happen with my 100,000 quid, | 0:24:38 | 0:24:42 | |
so I'm afraid I'm out. | 0:24:42 | 0:24:44 | |
And to help you out, Andy, I'm out. | 0:24:44 | 0:24:47 | |
Then I thought, maybe Peter, maybe. | 0:24:47 | 0:24:50 | |
I don't just think it's good, I think it's fantastic. I think it has a huge potential. | 0:24:52 | 0:24:57 | |
Are you going to get £100,000? This is the question. | 0:24:59 | 0:25:02 | |
And I don't see the fact that I could get a return on the money. | 0:25:04 | 0:25:09 | |
That's the only reason why I'm out. | 0:25:09 | 0:25:11 | |
Without Peter Jones, there was no chance of investment. | 0:25:11 | 0:25:14 | |
For Andy, it was an experience he'd rather forget. | 0:25:14 | 0:25:18 | |
Since the Den, if I'm in a situation where I can't get my words out, | 0:25:18 | 0:25:24 | |
I get that Dragons' Den feeling. It's like, "Oh, no." | 0:25:24 | 0:25:27 | |
'Maybe the business side of it isn't my strength. I'm an ideas person. I come up with great ideas.' | 0:25:31 | 0:25:36 | |
But after his unfortunate performance in the Den, | 0:25:36 | 0:25:40 | |
life got even tougher for Andy. | 0:25:40 | 0:25:42 | |
Recession hit, and it was kind of like a time | 0:25:44 | 0:25:47 | |
when people stopped spending money. | 0:25:47 | 0:25:49 | |
At one point I was even busking. I put a sign down on the floor saying, "Busk It Like Beckham". | 0:25:49 | 0:25:54 | |
But Andy was determined to make money from his collective of lookalikes. | 0:25:55 | 0:26:01 | |
MUSIC: Intro to "Disco Inferno" | 0:26:01 | 0:26:03 | |
He found a business partner, and together, | 0:26:07 | 0:26:10 | |
they created an act called the Chippendoubles. | 0:26:10 | 0:26:14 | |
They reached the semifinal of talent show Britain's Got Talent | 0:26:14 | 0:26:18 | |
and have since billed over £80,000 for appearances. | 0:26:18 | 0:26:23 | |
Guys...THAT was extraordinary. | 0:26:23 | 0:26:26 | |
But with seven people to pay, Andy's profit margins are low. | 0:26:26 | 0:26:32 | |
I still wanted to create a celebrity experience that showed | 0:26:32 | 0:26:37 | |
a better return, an idea that would potentially make me rich. | 0:26:37 | 0:26:40 | |
And now they have a business plan that he hopes will make millions. | 0:26:40 | 0:26:45 | |
I feel like we've come up with the idea with Vipeo. | 0:26:45 | 0:26:48 | |
It's an online greetings card service that features... well-known celebrities. | 0:26:48 | 0:26:55 | |
Andy and his partner have spent 10K developing the idea, | 0:26:55 | 0:26:58 | |
which requires them to visit the VIP's home and record them | 0:26:58 | 0:27:01 | |
saying every popular first name. | 0:27:01 | 0:27:04 | |
-Adriana. -Adriana! | 0:27:04 | 0:27:05 | |
Users can then visit the website | 0:27:05 | 0:27:07 | |
and send a personalised message to their friends from the VIP. | 0:27:07 | 0:27:11 | |
The first celebrities featured are fellow Britain's Got Talent contestants Stavros Flatley. | 0:27:11 | 0:27:16 | |
But the product is a long way from launch. | 0:27:21 | 0:27:23 | |
To get the service online, they'll need an investor with deep pockets. | 0:27:23 | 0:27:28 | |
Our new product is called Vipeo, it's personalised VIP videos. | 0:27:28 | 0:27:32 | |
Andy feels the time is right to face Peter Jones again | 0:27:32 | 0:27:36 | |
and has set up a meeting. | 0:27:36 | 0:27:38 | |
-Personalised celebrity e-cards. -It doesn't have to be... | 0:27:38 | 0:27:42 | |
Fortunately this time, | 0:27:42 | 0:27:43 | |
he'll be joined by business partner Lee, who's worked in sales and marketing for six years. | 0:27:43 | 0:27:48 | |
I've found a business partner that I've taken on their advice, | 0:27:48 | 0:27:51 | |
and we've been very strong as a team. | 0:27:51 | 0:27:55 | |
Clearer, straight to the point. Much better. | 0:27:55 | 0:27:59 | |
'Getting the chance to meet Peter again is a chance' | 0:27:59 | 0:28:03 | |
to redeem myself a bit, I suppose. | 0:28:03 | 0:28:04 | |
It's the day of the meeting. | 0:28:12 | 0:28:14 | |
And to make sure his idea stands out, | 0:28:14 | 0:28:16 | |
Andy has once again enlisted the help of his lookalike colleagues. | 0:28:16 | 0:28:20 | |
I'm really keen to see what his business idea is, | 0:28:20 | 0:28:23 | |
but more importantly, will he hold it together? | 0:28:23 | 0:28:26 | |
Peter will see you now. | 0:28:26 | 0:28:28 | |
Cheers. | 0:28:28 | 0:28:30 | |
All right, Peter? You got a minute? Yeah? Just... | 0:28:31 | 0:28:35 | |
introduce you to a couple of my mates. Come on. | 0:28:35 | 0:28:39 | |
Obviously, you know who she is. | 0:28:39 | 0:28:41 | |
-Good afternoon, ma'am. -You know who he is. -David, hello, David. | 0:28:41 | 0:28:46 | |
The real reason why we're here is that we've got a couple of friends that have got a little idea | 0:28:46 | 0:28:51 | |
-they want to put to you. -Ah! It's Andy! -Come and say hello. | 0:28:51 | 0:28:54 | |
-I recognise Andy! -Andy and Lee. -Good to see you again. -Good to see you. | 0:28:54 | 0:28:59 | |
With Peter's experience in telecoms, he is the perfect fit | 0:28:59 | 0:29:03 | |
for their business, but will Andy and his partner persuade him to invest? | 0:29:03 | 0:29:06 | |
I've got five minutes, so over to you. | 0:29:06 | 0:29:10 | |
Right. The company's called Vipeo, and it stands for VIP Videos. | 0:29:10 | 0:29:15 | |
Vipeo is an online store of personalised celebrity e-cards. | 0:29:15 | 0:29:19 | |
I'll show you an example. | 0:29:19 | 0:29:22 | |
This message is to say thank you ever so. You're a star! | 0:29:22 | 0:29:28 | |
So anybody, anywhere, anytime, can purchase one of these | 0:29:28 | 0:29:32 | |
if they've got a device which has mobile browsing capabilities. | 0:29:32 | 0:29:37 | |
Someone such as Stavros Flatley - | 0:29:37 | 0:29:39 | |
he has 1.6 million Facebook followers, so if we converted 1% of his fans | 0:29:39 | 0:29:44 | |
at a unit price of £2 in a year, that would generate £32,000 of revenue alone. | 0:29:44 | 0:29:48 | |
Extrapolate that to three years and 100 million celebrity fans, | 0:29:48 | 0:29:52 | |
and you're looking at £2 million. | 0:29:52 | 0:29:55 | |
We feel that the concept and scale of it is bigger than the two of us | 0:29:55 | 0:29:59 | |
and we're looking for this support. | 0:29:59 | 0:30:01 | |
I've got to say, Andy, it's definitely a better pitch | 0:30:04 | 0:30:08 | |
-than you made in the Den. -Thanks. | 0:30:08 | 0:30:10 | |
And you've got a business partner, which is something that I felt you really needed. | 0:30:10 | 0:30:14 | |
But will Peter be interested in helping them get their business off the ground? | 0:30:14 | 0:30:19 | |
-How much money are you looking for? -It will be £86,000. -Have you got the .com? | 0:30:19 | 0:30:23 | |
We've got .co.uk. The .com is owned by a company in Germany. | 0:30:23 | 0:30:27 | |
Guys, you can't be serious? You haven't even got the .com? | 0:30:28 | 0:30:32 | |
-First thing you've got to do, surely? -Hmm. | 0:30:32 | 0:30:34 | |
Get the .com? | 0:30:34 | 0:30:36 | |
Yeah. | 0:30:36 | 0:30:38 | |
You want to build an international business online, it's just a .co.uk. | 0:30:38 | 0:30:43 | |
Who's going to see that? | 0:30:43 | 0:30:44 | |
The pitch has suffered an early setback, | 0:30:46 | 0:30:48 | |
but hopefully Peter will look beyond the lack of web presence. | 0:30:48 | 0:30:51 | |
-Have you recorded with any key celebrities? -Yes. -Who've you done? | 0:30:51 | 0:30:55 | |
-We've recorded with Stavros, we've got some other reality TV... -And what does he get out of it? | 0:30:55 | 0:31:00 | |
-We're going to give him 50% of the revenue. -50%? -50%. | 0:31:00 | 0:31:03 | |
But you've already given him half your profit? | 0:31:03 | 0:31:06 | |
There's a new type of celebrity at the moment, reality TV. | 0:31:06 | 0:31:10 | |
They're in the shop window for a short period | 0:31:10 | 0:31:13 | |
and they try to maximise that opportunity, | 0:31:13 | 0:31:15 | |
so things like this would be ideal for them as well. | 0:31:15 | 0:31:18 | |
So you record them, spend all the money, you get the downloads initially, | 0:31:18 | 0:31:21 | |
they're finished tomorrow? | 0:31:21 | 0:31:23 | |
You've got to get real, proper, decent celebs. | 0:31:23 | 0:31:26 | |
You need a message from Robbie Williams. | 0:31:26 | 0:31:29 | |
All of these people are going to look at you and think, | 0:31:29 | 0:31:32 | |
"Do I really want to go and spend an hour and a half in a studio | 0:31:32 | 0:31:36 | |
"with Tom, Dick and Fred, who've got a Handycam?" | 0:31:36 | 0:31:39 | |
We did one with the David Brent lookalike | 0:31:41 | 0:31:43 | |
and people absolutely loved it. | 0:31:43 | 0:31:46 | |
-I would go out and trial with a few others. -And would you see us again? | 0:31:46 | 0:31:51 | |
I would see you again. If it got a following, | 0:31:54 | 0:31:57 | |
and I felt that you could have traction, then I would. | 0:31:57 | 0:32:02 | |
The message from Peter is clear - prove the business can work, | 0:32:04 | 0:32:07 | |
and there's a chance he might help out. | 0:32:07 | 0:32:09 | |
There's a lot more work to do, | 0:32:09 | 0:32:11 | |
but the pair leave with their heads held high. | 0:32:11 | 0:32:13 | |
I didn't mess my words up, it was better than last time. | 0:32:13 | 0:32:16 | |
My fear of public speaking, I suppose, | 0:32:16 | 0:32:18 | |
I have overcome it this time. | 0:32:18 | 0:32:21 | |
Andy, this time, held himself together. | 0:32:21 | 0:32:24 | |
He must've taken quite a few deep breaths before he came into the office. | 0:32:24 | 0:32:27 | |
He was very calm, actually. | 0:32:27 | 0:32:29 | |
He wants to see it piloted first, get it up and running, | 0:32:29 | 0:32:32 | |
but he's going to be looking over it, so... | 0:32:32 | 0:32:34 | |
-Woo-hoo! -Drinks all around! | 0:32:34 | 0:32:36 | |
'It's not a bad idea, you know. I think people would probably do it.' | 0:32:36 | 0:32:41 | |
You might get the celebrities to say, "I'll give you an hour of my time, | 0:32:41 | 0:32:44 | |
"cos I might make a few thousand pounds every week after just doing a quick video." | 0:32:44 | 0:32:49 | |
And if he takes away what I've said and comes back, who knows? | 0:32:49 | 0:32:53 | |
You never know. | 0:32:53 | 0:32:54 | |
This is the Dragons' guide to pitching and presentation, | 0:33:02 | 0:33:06 | |
six lessons that can help all of us improve our public speaking skills. | 0:33:06 | 0:33:10 | |
When it comes to audiences, | 0:33:10 | 0:33:12 | |
they don't get much tougher than these five business brains. | 0:33:12 | 0:33:16 | |
People will try anything to win over the Dragons. | 0:33:21 | 0:33:25 | |
I'm confident the Dragons will like me, and they'll love my tie. | 0:33:25 | 0:33:28 | |
But being likeable isn't something that comes naturally to us all. | 0:33:28 | 0:33:32 | |
No way I would get involved in you and the way you sell it. | 0:33:32 | 0:33:36 | |
So the next lesson is simple - whatever you do, | 0:33:36 | 0:33:39 | |
don't offend your audience. | 0:33:39 | 0:33:42 | |
-Please let me finish, Theo. -No, I'm not going to let you finish unless you answer my question. | 0:33:42 | 0:33:46 | |
If you can get the Dragons to like you personally, | 0:33:46 | 0:33:52 | |
they will be on your side. | 0:33:52 | 0:33:54 | |
You have got something. | 0:33:54 | 0:33:58 | |
If they don't like you, | 0:33:58 | 0:34:00 | |
they will then hear everything you say with a bit of suspicion. | 0:34:00 | 0:34:03 | |
-You made a flippant comment about... -It's very serious to us. -You made a very flippant comment. | 0:34:03 | 0:34:08 | |
If I don't like that person, it's a no-no. | 0:34:08 | 0:34:12 | |
-What's your gross profit percentage? -Don't know the answer to that, you'll have to move on. | 0:34:12 | 0:34:16 | |
You don't know? We'll have to move on? | 0:34:16 | 0:34:18 | |
I've forgotten it, not a human calculator. | 0:34:18 | 0:34:21 | |
By shouting back at them, it's not really going to get you very far. | 0:34:21 | 0:34:25 | |
When was the last time you negotiated, because the market's changed...? | 0:34:25 | 0:34:29 | |
And there's one way to guarantee you walk away empty-handed. | 0:34:29 | 0:34:32 | |
If you start giving the Dragons business lessons, | 0:34:32 | 0:34:36 | |
guaranteed, you are going to wind them all up. | 0:34:36 | 0:34:40 | |
-That's totally irrelevant. -I find you arrogant, rude and insulting. | 0:34:40 | 0:34:45 | |
-Don't tell us how to run a business. -I'll see you when I'm loaded. | 0:34:45 | 0:34:49 | |
One partnership that got on the wrong side of the Dragons | 0:34:51 | 0:34:55 | |
were husband and wife David and Sarah Glashan. | 0:34:55 | 0:34:58 | |
The product we're going to show you today is called an Itsa. | 0:34:58 | 0:35:02 | |
It's a multifunctional sunlounger towel. | 0:35:02 | 0:35:05 | |
An experienced businessman, | 0:35:05 | 0:35:07 | |
David was confident he could impress the Dragons. | 0:35:07 | 0:35:10 | |
You find out what the competition isn't doing, find out what it's going to cost you | 0:35:10 | 0:35:14 | |
to do what the competition isn't doing, and by the time you've divided it up, | 0:35:14 | 0:35:18 | |
your percentages should be right, because business is about percentages. | 0:35:18 | 0:35:22 | |
But his business lecture had the opposite effect. | 0:35:22 | 0:35:25 | |
This is not the way to talk to anyone, let alone a Dragon, | 0:35:25 | 0:35:29 | |
an extremely successful Dragon. | 0:35:29 | 0:35:31 | |
You should write a book - How To Run A Business. | 0:35:31 | 0:35:34 | |
That's not a very nice comment, I'll ignore that. | 0:35:34 | 0:35:37 | |
It was a compliment! | 0:35:37 | 0:35:38 | |
We weren't giving business advice, | 0:35:38 | 0:35:40 | |
we were purely answering what we felt was the way to do it. | 0:35:40 | 0:35:44 | |
Duncan, I'm not a schmuck - don't try and treat me like one, OK? | 0:35:44 | 0:35:48 | |
"You're out of order, Duncan. | 0:35:48 | 0:35:49 | |
"Don't try it with me, I'm not a schmuck!" | 0:35:49 | 0:35:52 | |
HE LAUGHS | 0:35:52 | 0:35:54 | |
Somebody could quite easily, a cruise liner, do their own. | 0:35:54 | 0:35:58 | |
And I'll challenge you if you copy me, cos I'll take you to court, | 0:35:58 | 0:36:02 | |
I won't think twice about it, OK? | 0:36:02 | 0:36:03 | |
I think that might have put them off a bit. | 0:36:03 | 0:36:06 | |
I think they may have thought he was a bit, I don't know, arrogant? | 0:36:06 | 0:36:10 | |
'Theo is a great business guy, I'm not knocking him for that,' | 0:36:10 | 0:36:14 | |
but he was talking out of his backside. | 0:36:14 | 0:36:16 | |
I'm out. | 0:36:16 | 0:36:18 | |
They walked away without investment. | 0:36:19 | 0:36:23 | |
But despite the reactions from the Dragons, | 0:36:23 | 0:36:27 | |
the couple still pushed their product to market. | 0:36:27 | 0:36:29 | |
'Do we believe in the product? Yes. Could they be wrong? Yes.' | 0:36:29 | 0:36:33 | |
Let's show them, let's go and do it. | 0:36:33 | 0:36:37 | |
Five years later, the beach towel is selling all over the world | 0:36:37 | 0:36:39 | |
after the pair licensed it to manufacturers in the US. | 0:36:39 | 0:36:43 | |
They say worldwide sales of the brand have topped 8 million. | 0:36:43 | 0:36:49 | |
But they haven't been able to turn sales into profit. | 0:36:50 | 0:36:52 | |
Their decision was right not to invest. | 0:36:52 | 0:36:54 | |
They want to earn between two and four times. | 0:36:54 | 0:36:58 | |
'You cannot manufacture our product at a cheap enough price' | 0:36:58 | 0:37:01 | |
to sell it on a wholesale basis. | 0:37:01 | 0:37:04 | |
Their net profit on the product this year is forecast to be £80,000. | 0:37:04 | 0:37:09 | |
'The product is still selling, still being used on the beach.' | 0:37:09 | 0:37:13 | |
That, to me, is fantastic. | 0:37:13 | 0:37:15 | |
The Dragons' next lesson requires an attribute | 0:37:25 | 0:37:28 | |
that many entrepreneurs have in abundance. | 0:37:28 | 0:37:31 | |
If you look in the dictionary at "passion", you'd see my name. | 0:37:31 | 0:37:34 | |
If you want to be convincing, you must be passionate. | 0:37:34 | 0:37:38 | |
If you don't believe in your own product, | 0:37:40 | 0:37:42 | |
it's very unlikely you're going to get other people to believe in it as well. | 0:37:42 | 0:37:46 | |
iFoods.tv is the future of cooking. | 0:37:46 | 0:37:49 | |
Mytilus edulis, the edible mussel. | 0:37:49 | 0:37:51 | |
It's a rollercoaster, it's going, we have rocket, sorrel. | 0:37:51 | 0:37:54 | |
What I'm looking for is passion, enthusiasm. Tunnel vision, almost. | 0:37:54 | 0:37:59 | |
It's going to the back, we've got bitterness. Whack! Here comes a pepper kick. | 0:37:59 | 0:38:02 | |
If you don't love what you do, you're not passionate about it, | 0:38:02 | 0:38:06 | |
then you're not going to spend the hours that are needed to make that business a success. | 0:38:06 | 0:38:10 | |
I'm telling you that this is an effective way | 0:38:10 | 0:38:12 | |
of training a muscle that people know they want to train. | 0:38:12 | 0:38:16 | |
You should get riled up now and then. Passion is good. | 0:38:16 | 0:38:19 | |
But take the Dragons' advice carefully, | 0:38:19 | 0:38:22 | |
because there is such a thing as being overenthusiastic. | 0:38:22 | 0:38:25 | |
Angel Cot, my own invention. | 0:38:27 | 0:38:29 | |
The other end of the scale are people who are passionate about a business that doesn't work. | 0:38:29 | 0:38:34 | |
# Let's show them you care | 0:38:34 | 0:38:37 | |
# Children are our future... # | 0:38:37 | 0:38:40 | |
You can be passionate about a square-wheeled bicycle, | 0:38:40 | 0:38:43 | |
but you know it's never going to sell. | 0:38:43 | 0:38:45 | |
People have to get real. | 0:38:45 | 0:38:46 | |
It's totally orgasmic. | 0:38:46 | 0:38:48 | |
Forget Sex And The City - we've got shoes in the city! | 0:38:48 | 0:38:53 | |
One man who may have misplaced his passion | 0:38:56 | 0:38:59 | |
was future millionaire Adam Marshall, | 0:38:59 | 0:39:01 | |
who pitched his exfoliating shower mat in 2006. | 0:39:01 | 0:39:05 | |
These products work by the shower mat laying in the shower cubicle | 0:39:05 | 0:39:10 | |
and allows you to wash your feet by moving them back and forth. | 0:39:10 | 0:39:14 | |
Passion in my life comes kind of as a second nature. | 0:39:14 | 0:39:19 | |
'It's incredibly important to believe in what you're doing.' | 0:39:19 | 0:39:22 | |
It is totally a revolution in the shower market. | 0:39:22 | 0:39:25 | |
-Are you serious? -I am, totally, yes. | 0:39:25 | 0:39:27 | |
I think it's absolutely ridiculous. | 0:39:27 | 0:39:29 | |
It was awful, | 0:39:29 | 0:39:31 | |
and he was so enthusiastic. | 0:39:31 | 0:39:33 | |
I totally believe in this and I will totally make this work. | 0:39:33 | 0:39:37 | |
He had the entrepreneurial spirit, | 0:39:37 | 0:39:39 | |
but he just had to find his feet a bit. | 0:39:39 | 0:39:42 | |
-I'm out. -I'm out. | 0:39:42 | 0:39:43 | |
And it wasn't on shower mats. | 0:39:43 | 0:39:45 | |
The mat never took off. | 0:39:45 | 0:39:48 | |
Little bit, little bit higher. | 0:39:48 | 0:39:50 | |
'I didn't want to be known as the shower mat guy.' | 0:39:50 | 0:39:54 | |
I wanted to be known as a successful person in my own right. | 0:39:54 | 0:39:58 | |
Adam is still a passionate businessman | 0:39:58 | 0:40:01 | |
and has spent the last few years putting his enthusiasm into something else - | 0:40:01 | 0:40:05 | |
a chain of trendy bars. | 0:40:05 | 0:40:07 | |
'Started off with 30 grand from a high street bank.' | 0:40:07 | 0:40:11 | |
I had to work very hard with it. Blood, sweat, couple of tears. | 0:40:11 | 0:40:15 | |
He's taken that passion and energy, he's channelled it | 0:40:19 | 0:40:22 | |
into another industry and has gone on to become very, very successful. | 0:40:22 | 0:40:27 | |
Five years after his Den departure, Adam has 12 venues | 0:40:27 | 0:40:31 | |
and an impressive income. | 0:40:31 | 0:40:33 | |
They all do very well. I currently turn over £12 million. | 0:40:33 | 0:40:38 | |
You know, I don't do hardly any work any more. | 0:40:38 | 0:40:42 | |
Adam came into the Den asking for thousands, | 0:40:42 | 0:40:46 | |
he got turned down, he got great advice, | 0:40:46 | 0:40:48 | |
he listens to the advice and he goes out and he's now worth millions. | 0:40:48 | 0:40:52 | |
The Dragons are wily characters and when they're faced with an entrepreneur, | 0:40:57 | 0:41:02 | |
they're analysing their every word and their every move | 0:41:02 | 0:41:05 | |
for any hint of embellishment or exaggeration. | 0:41:05 | 0:41:08 | |
Have you got any defence? | 0:41:08 | 0:41:09 | |
In order to part with their money, | 0:41:09 | 0:41:12 | |
they need to know just about everything and expect straight answers. | 0:41:12 | 0:41:17 | |
So the Dragons' final lesson is to be honest. | 0:41:17 | 0:41:21 | |
As soon as you're up there trying to be something you're not, | 0:41:21 | 0:41:24 | |
to oversell, to overdo it... | 0:41:24 | 0:41:27 | |
-How much a year do they earn? -£35,000. | 0:41:27 | 0:41:30 | |
No, that's a new one, isn't it? Is that a new number? | 0:41:30 | 0:41:33 | |
-..the Dragons can read it, it doesn't come across right. -About 600 million. | 0:41:33 | 0:41:36 | |
Don't think that you can just wing it. | 0:41:36 | 0:41:39 | |
I've got no sales figures to talk to you about, no book-work whatsoever. | 0:41:39 | 0:41:44 | |
Cos it will backfire on you. | 0:41:44 | 0:41:45 | |
-You've created organic, artificial acorns? -Yes. | 0:41:45 | 0:41:50 | |
If I can't work with that person and believe in their honesty, | 0:41:50 | 0:41:54 | |
then I'm not interested. | 0:41:54 | 0:41:56 | |
You must be a very wealthy young man. | 0:41:56 | 0:41:58 | |
Meaning, is the money in my account? No. | 0:41:58 | 0:42:01 | |
So, how do you make sure the Dragons believe in you? | 0:42:01 | 0:42:05 | |
The answer is to answer everything. | 0:42:05 | 0:42:08 | |
-Are you boyfriend/girlfriend? -Yes. -Sometimes. | 0:42:08 | 0:42:11 | |
Don't just sell your product - sometimes you have to sell yourself. | 0:42:11 | 0:42:15 | |
You gave us the immortal line, "The cheaper I can get these bits | 0:42:15 | 0:42:19 | |
"and pieces, the cheaper I can make it." So true. | 0:42:19 | 0:42:22 | |
Yeah, well, I just talk naturally. | 0:42:22 | 0:42:25 | |
I would say, let the inner you shine through. | 0:42:25 | 0:42:27 | |
The Dragons want to see you. | 0:42:27 | 0:42:30 | |
I'm not perfect, that's why I'm here. | 0:42:30 | 0:42:33 | |
One entrepreneur who impressed the Dragons | 0:42:36 | 0:42:39 | |
with her direct and honest answers to their questions was Layla Bennett. | 0:42:39 | 0:42:43 | |
The 26-year-old entered the Den in 2010 | 0:42:43 | 0:42:47 | |
looking for investment in her falconry business. | 0:42:47 | 0:42:51 | |
Hello, Dragons. I'm Layla, and this is Monty, | 0:42:52 | 0:42:56 | |
from Hawksdrift Falconry. | 0:42:56 | 0:42:58 | |
We'd like to ask you today for £50,000 for a 25% share of our company. | 0:42:58 | 0:43:04 | |
We specialise in the commercial use of birds of prey. | 0:43:04 | 0:43:08 | |
Our main income comes from bird control, | 0:43:08 | 0:43:11 | |
that's the natural and environmentally friendly control | 0:43:11 | 0:43:14 | |
of pest species of birds by using raptors. | 0:43:14 | 0:43:18 | |
'When people come on with animals, they're always taking a risk.' | 0:43:18 | 0:43:21 | |
If the animal doesn't do what it should, it detracts from the pitch. | 0:43:21 | 0:43:25 | |
If anybody would like to step forward and hold Monty, | 0:43:25 | 0:43:28 | |
you will be very welcome to do so. Thank you. | 0:43:28 | 0:43:30 | |
'And the hawk did exactly as she wanted it to do,' | 0:43:30 | 0:43:34 | |
just by her making a movement and snapping her fingers. It was fantastic. | 0:43:34 | 0:43:37 | |
Are you finished with me? Yes? | 0:43:37 | 0:43:40 | |
-He said he's had enough. -Thank you. | 0:43:40 | 0:43:42 | |
What better way can you get someone's attention by walking in with a bird of prey? | 0:43:42 | 0:43:46 | |
With the help of Monty the falcon, Layla intrigued the Dragons, | 0:43:46 | 0:43:51 | |
but it's the business interrogation that matters. | 0:43:51 | 0:43:54 | |
-Let's focus on the business. So, you talked about turning over 72,500? -Yes, last year. | 0:43:54 | 0:44:00 | |
-How much of that became profit? -49,700 was gross profit, | 0:44:00 | 0:44:04 | |
net profit was 22,700. | 0:44:04 | 0:44:07 | |
I was really honest about the value of the business, | 0:44:07 | 0:44:11 | |
the amount of turnover that I had, about my income. | 0:44:11 | 0:44:14 | |
I was also honest about the way that I live. | 0:44:14 | 0:44:17 | |
Are you taking a salary out of that? | 0:44:17 | 0:44:19 | |
There's myself and my partner full-time, we have £12,000, | 0:44:19 | 0:44:22 | |
-and we live basically off that. -That's very committed. | 0:44:22 | 0:44:25 | |
Some people naturally are calm in all sorts of pressure situations, but that was an extreme example. | 0:44:25 | 0:44:31 | |
What will the business look like next year? | 0:44:31 | 0:44:34 | |
Next year, we expect to turn £125,000, | 0:44:34 | 0:44:37 | |
bearing in mind that in 2009 we only turned 38,000, | 0:44:37 | 0:44:41 | |
in 2010 we turned 72,500, | 0:44:41 | 0:44:43 | |
so the business is expanding very rapidly. | 0:44:43 | 0:44:47 | |
It was just completely polished and rehearsed and delivered...precisely. | 0:44:47 | 0:44:53 | |
-Why? -We are gaining pest control contracts for bird control rapidly. | 0:44:53 | 0:44:59 | |
Every question was dealt with skilfully and directly by the falconer, | 0:45:02 | 0:45:06 | |
but would the Dragons invest? | 0:45:06 | 0:45:08 | |
Are you offering at the moment 25% of the company | 0:45:08 | 0:45:12 | |
without the land or with the land? | 0:45:12 | 0:45:14 | |
-25% with the land. -Do you think that's a good idea? | 0:45:14 | 0:45:17 | |
You're a Dragon, I trust you. | 0:45:19 | 0:45:21 | |
I think when she told Duncan that she trusted him | 0:45:21 | 0:45:24 | |
not to do anything with the land, I think that won him over. | 0:45:24 | 0:45:27 | |
And, yeah, it got him onside, definitely. | 0:45:27 | 0:45:30 | |
But Theo Paphitis wasn't finished with his questioning. | 0:45:31 | 0:45:34 | |
-Layla, how old are you? -I'm 26...and a half. | 0:45:34 | 0:45:37 | |
26 and a half! | 0:45:37 | 0:45:38 | |
Look, I'm going to make you an offer. | 0:45:38 | 0:45:42 | |
I'm going to give you half the money, | 0:45:42 | 0:45:45 | |
but I'm going to keep my business hat on. | 0:45:45 | 0:45:48 | |
I would need, for the risk/reward ratio on this, 20%. | 0:45:48 | 0:45:53 | |
The retail giant was preparing to drive a hard bargain, | 0:45:54 | 0:45:57 | |
but, impressed by her honesty, Duncan Bannatyne had other ideas. | 0:45:57 | 0:46:01 | |
I'm going to offer you exactly what you've asked for - | 0:46:01 | 0:46:05 | |
£50,000 for 25% of the company, | 0:46:05 | 0:46:09 | |
because I don't think anybody should try | 0:46:09 | 0:46:13 | |
and drive a hard bargain with you, | 0:46:13 | 0:46:16 | |
because I think what you're offering is very good value. | 0:46:16 | 0:46:21 | |
Thank you, Duncan. | 0:46:21 | 0:46:23 | |
I don't think it was a case of driving a hard bargain, Duncan - | 0:46:24 | 0:46:27 | |
I made absolutely clear what my view was. | 0:46:27 | 0:46:30 | |
There were two offers on the table, | 0:46:30 | 0:46:33 | |
but once the remaining Dragons declared themselves out... | 0:46:33 | 0:46:37 | |
-I'm going to say, I'm out. -Thank you very much. | 0:46:37 | 0:46:39 | |
..it was decision time for Layla. | 0:46:39 | 0:46:42 | |
'From the age of 16, I've done it all by myself, and for a Dragon, | 0:46:42 | 0:46:45 | |
'a successful business person, to think that my business is worth something,' | 0:46:45 | 0:46:50 | |
it's a really emotional thing. | 0:46:50 | 0:46:52 | |
Are you going to accept my offer? | 0:46:52 | 0:46:55 | |
Of course I am, Duncan. | 0:46:55 | 0:46:57 | |
Layla was upfront, honest | 0:46:59 | 0:47:01 | |
and showed she was willing to make sacrifices - | 0:47:01 | 0:47:03 | |
qualities admired by Duncan Bannatyne. | 0:47:03 | 0:47:07 | |
She's really committed to that business, | 0:47:07 | 0:47:09 | |
she's committed to making that work and she's willing to live like that | 0:47:09 | 0:47:13 | |
for as long as it takes to get her business off the ground. | 0:47:13 | 0:47:16 | |
Layla shook hands with Duncan just over a year ago | 0:47:18 | 0:47:21 | |
and since then hasn't stopped working. | 0:47:21 | 0:47:24 | |
As he flies over you, whatever you do, don't make a noise like a rabbit. | 0:47:24 | 0:47:29 | |
'It's very difficult to live in a field in a caravan.' | 0:47:29 | 0:47:32 | |
I do work very hard - sometimes I work through the night, and the day, as well. | 0:47:32 | 0:47:36 | |
Sometimes I'll miss an entire night's sleep, then carry on, | 0:47:36 | 0:47:39 | |
but it doesn't feel like it's hard or a commitment - | 0:47:39 | 0:47:42 | |
it's just what I want to do, I can't imagine doing anything else. | 0:47:42 | 0:47:46 | |
And now she's ready to move beyond the life of a sole trader | 0:47:46 | 0:47:49 | |
and finalise her investment deal. | 0:47:49 | 0:47:51 | |
We're going through the contracts, I've just become a limited company - | 0:47:51 | 0:47:54 | |
any moment now, it'll all be happening. | 0:47:54 | 0:47:57 | |
Now the Dragon has arrived to check out the new company | 0:48:02 | 0:48:05 | |
and have a first look at the piece of Wales he will own a share of, | 0:48:05 | 0:48:10 | |
which is a far cry from the Den. | 0:48:10 | 0:48:12 | |
I'm quite nervous about Duncan coming down to the field. | 0:48:12 | 0:48:16 | |
I'm not sure what he'll think of our rather rural location, | 0:48:16 | 0:48:19 | |
but I hope he'll find it as beautiful as I do. | 0:48:19 | 0:48:21 | |
Liked the business, it's quite different, quite unique. | 0:48:21 | 0:48:25 | |
I thought it could be exciting. | 0:48:25 | 0:48:26 | |
I've certainly learned a little bit about Wales, anyway. | 0:48:26 | 0:48:30 | |
-Hello, how are you? -I'm good, thank you. | 0:48:33 | 0:48:35 | |
Welcome to the field. | 0:48:35 | 0:48:37 | |
The investor is here to work out where they're taking the business | 0:48:40 | 0:48:44 | |
and how they'll spend his money. | 0:48:44 | 0:48:46 | |
Just have to jump over the fence, I'm afraid - haven't got a gate yet. | 0:48:46 | 0:48:49 | |
But first, he needs to meet the employees. | 0:48:49 | 0:48:51 | |
-Do you remember this little guy? -Hello, Monty. | 0:48:51 | 0:48:54 | |
Using the hawks for pest control is now 90% of Layla's income, | 0:48:54 | 0:48:58 | |
and the area she plans to develop with Duncan's assistance. | 0:48:58 | 0:49:02 | |
Last night, in fact, I was down in Cardiff - | 0:49:02 | 0:49:05 | |
we had a pigeon in a cake production area that had to be moved. | 0:49:05 | 0:49:08 | |
-How do you move the pigeon? -In that case, with a hawk. | 0:49:08 | 0:49:12 | |
-So, the hawk chases it? -Yes. | 0:49:12 | 0:49:14 | |
He's a beauty. | 0:49:15 | 0:49:17 | |
Duncan wants to fully understand how the business works, | 0:49:17 | 0:49:21 | |
so he needs to learn how they train the hawk | 0:49:21 | 0:49:24 | |
so they're fit enough to chase away the unwanted vermin. | 0:49:24 | 0:49:28 | |
This dummy rabbit here, which you'll need to keep hidden from him, | 0:49:28 | 0:49:30 | |
-just throw it onto the ground and drag along a little. -OK. | 0:49:30 | 0:49:34 | |
No, no, you didn't see that. | 0:49:34 | 0:49:35 | |
-He did, he's very clever. Ready? -Yeah. | 0:49:35 | 0:49:38 | |
It was Layla's direct pitch that impressed the Dragon. | 0:49:40 | 0:49:43 | |
When you're ready, throw the rabbit onto the short grass. | 0:49:43 | 0:49:47 | |
But can she deliver on the figures she gave in the Den? | 0:49:47 | 0:49:51 | |
Encouragingly, Layla says she has already hit her 2011 turnover target of 125,000. | 0:49:54 | 0:50:01 | |
Since being on Dragon's Den, Hawksdrift has grown dramatically. | 0:50:04 | 0:50:09 | |
We have actually exceeded our forecasted figure for the second year by £7,000 extra. | 0:50:09 | 0:50:13 | |
It does still need a lot of work and it still needs a lot of help and input from my Dragon. | 0:50:13 | 0:50:19 | |
So far, Layla has invested most of her profits back into the business | 0:50:20 | 0:50:24 | |
and has started work on a brand-new aviary. | 0:50:24 | 0:50:27 | |
What happened here? | 0:50:27 | 0:50:28 | |
We'd just laid all the concrete, and it was going on, and the horse walked straight down the middle. | 0:50:28 | 0:50:33 | |
And then the cat came in the end and she's put her paw prints down there too. | 0:50:33 | 0:50:39 | |
As a brand-new company, things are changing quickly, | 0:50:39 | 0:50:42 | |
and Layla has some questions she needs to ask her Dragon. | 0:50:42 | 0:50:46 | |
Driving the business forward has become more like trying to hold it back, | 0:50:46 | 0:50:50 | |
because there are more contracts coming | 0:50:50 | 0:50:52 | |
than I can physically take on with the number of staff I have. | 0:50:52 | 0:50:55 | |
I believe you started as an ice-cream man. | 0:50:55 | 0:50:57 | |
At some point, you must have made that transition to being an employer | 0:50:57 | 0:51:01 | |
from a person who did it all yourself. | 0:51:01 | 0:51:03 | |
Delegation's difficult for some people. I never had a problem with it. | 0:51:03 | 0:51:07 | |
You've got to be able to trust people, let them run with it, let them make mistakes, | 0:51:07 | 0:51:11 | |
pay them a decent salary, more than you pay yourself, and still make a little bit of profit. | 0:51:11 | 0:51:17 | |
The future looks bright for this partnership - | 0:51:17 | 0:51:21 | |
with Duncan's hotel credentials, he is best placed to help her expand into weddings and events. | 0:51:21 | 0:51:26 | |
I think one of the main reasons I invested in you was | 0:51:26 | 0:51:29 | |
your absolute honesty. I think that still shines through, | 0:51:29 | 0:51:32 | |
-I like that. So I think we'll see what happens next. -Thank you. | 0:51:32 | 0:51:36 | |
Do you want to sit in the caravan and have a cup of tea? | 0:51:36 | 0:51:39 | |
I don't have any water. The spring just dried up. | 0:51:39 | 0:51:44 | |
-What do you have for breakfast? -Red Bull. | 0:51:44 | 0:51:47 | |
I think she will take my advice on board and I will work with her, | 0:51:49 | 0:51:52 | |
and she will continue to expand into a big business. | 0:51:52 | 0:51:56 | |
He is helping me now a great deal as I'm moving through getting more staff | 0:51:56 | 0:52:00 | |
and basically making the changes the company needs. | 0:52:00 | 0:52:04 | |
I'd like to prove to Duncan that he was right to invest | 0:52:04 | 0:52:07 | |
and that we are going to be a very successful company, | 0:52:07 | 0:52:10 | |
that we will never lose his money | 0:52:10 | 0:52:12 | |
and we will pay him back time and time again over the years. | 0:52:12 | 0:52:15 | |
I'm glad I made this investment. | 0:52:15 | 0:52:16 | |
-We've learnt that pitching is all about keeping calm. -I can't talk. | 0:52:31 | 0:52:35 | |
Practice. Presentation. Passion. | 0:52:35 | 0:52:38 | |
It will be a revolution in the shower market. | 0:52:38 | 0:52:41 | |
-Honestly and being likeable. -I'll take you to court. | 0:52:41 | 0:52:44 | |
I won't think twice about it. | 0:52:44 | 0:52:47 | |
But one question hasn't been answered. | 0:52:47 | 0:52:49 | |
Since Dragon's Den began, which pitch has been the closest to perfection? | 0:52:49 | 0:52:55 | |
If you want a demonstration of how to pitch in here, that is it. | 0:52:55 | 0:52:58 | |
I still remember Levi Roots coming up the stairs playing a guitar. | 0:52:58 | 0:53:01 | |
# Give me some Reggae Reggae Sauce | 0:53:01 | 0:53:05 | |
# Hot Reggae Reggae Sauce... # | 0:53:05 | 0:53:08 | |
I was half thinking you should be at an X Factor audition. | 0:53:08 | 0:53:11 | |
But it was impactful. | 0:53:11 | 0:53:14 | |
Ian Chamings, MixAlbum. | 0:53:14 | 0:53:16 | |
With our technology, anybody can choose whichever dance tracks they want | 0:53:16 | 0:53:20 | |
and hear them mixed together with the click of a button. | 0:53:20 | 0:53:23 | |
He absolutely made it clear what he did and why I should back him. | 0:53:23 | 0:53:28 | |
No-one else in the world can do this. | 0:53:28 | 0:53:31 | |
But there's one that stands out. | 0:53:33 | 0:53:35 | |
It may not be the most technically perfect pitch, | 0:53:35 | 0:53:37 | |
but it takes all the boxes. | 0:53:37 | 0:53:40 | |
Kirsty Henshaw gave one of the best pitches we have seen in the Den. | 0:53:44 | 0:53:48 | |
It wasn't flashy - | 0:53:48 | 0:53:50 | |
no-one would say she was bombastic or overselling her product. | 0:53:50 | 0:53:55 | |
Particularly appealing was the fact that she came across as authentic. | 0:53:55 | 0:54:00 | |
I'm Kirsty, I'm 24 years old and I'm here today | 0:54:00 | 0:54:03 | |
asking for £65,000 for a 15% equity stake in my company, Worthenshaws. | 0:54:03 | 0:54:09 | |
She pitched it so well and she was so passionate about it. | 0:54:09 | 0:54:12 | |
The inspiration behind my range stems from my four-year-old child | 0:54:12 | 0:54:16 | |
who has a serious nut allergy and is dairy-intolerant. | 0:54:16 | 0:54:20 | |
She so clearly deeply understood what she was doing, | 0:54:20 | 0:54:25 | |
why she was doing it, what her market was. | 0:54:25 | 0:54:28 | |
I've sold 2,500 units so far. | 0:54:28 | 0:54:32 | |
But I went to a big meeting with a large supermarket about a month ago. | 0:54:32 | 0:54:37 | |
She just, answer by answer, won us over. | 0:54:37 | 0:54:41 | |
-Who is it? -Tesco. | 0:54:41 | 0:54:43 | |
Fantastic story. Delivered so simply. What she told you was the truth, and you knew it was the truth. | 0:54:44 | 0:54:50 | |
Have you really done all this on your own? | 0:54:50 | 0:54:54 | |
Yes. | 0:54:54 | 0:54:56 | |
-I just worked 2 1/2 jobs at a time. -How many? | 0:54:56 | 0:55:01 | |
Well, two jobs, and then I had a bit of a night job as well. I was self-employed. | 0:55:01 | 0:55:05 | |
Two jobs and a bit of a night job as well? | 0:55:05 | 0:55:07 | |
-And my little boy, yes. -And your little boy. | 0:55:07 | 0:55:09 | |
I don't know how he puts up with me really, but yes. | 0:55:09 | 0:55:13 | |
You are pretty amazing, aren't you? | 0:55:13 | 0:55:15 | |
No, not really. | 0:55:15 | 0:55:17 | |
You got the emotion - you realised, sitting in that chair, | 0:55:17 | 0:55:22 | |
how much this opportunity meant to her as an individual, | 0:55:22 | 0:55:25 | |
and she was going to do everything she could to make it work. | 0:55:25 | 0:55:28 | |
I know that I cried | 0:55:31 | 0:55:33 | |
when she started crying, | 0:55:33 | 0:55:35 | |
and she really reached out and touched the audience. | 0:55:35 | 0:55:38 | |
I started to cry, for God's sake! | 0:55:40 | 0:55:42 | |
I had tears coming down when I saw Kirsty up there and she was crying | 0:55:42 | 0:55:46 | |
and Theo was crying and everyone was crying | 0:55:46 | 0:55:49 | |
and it was like a bag of tears. | 0:55:49 | 0:55:51 | |
They'd have been crazy not to have backed her. | 0:55:51 | 0:55:54 | |
I'm not going to give you £65,000... | 0:55:55 | 0:55:58 | |
I'm going to give you £100,000. | 0:55:58 | 0:56:00 | |
But I want 40%. | 0:56:00 | 0:56:05 | |
I'd like to make you an offer for the full amount you are asking for, 65,000. But I only want 25%. | 0:56:05 | 0:56:12 | |
What I will do is match Peter's offer. | 0:56:12 | 0:56:15 | |
Have a think about it. | 0:56:15 | 0:56:17 | |
You can say what swung it for Kirsty was the emotion, but for us, | 0:56:17 | 0:56:22 | |
it was the passion we were seeing. | 0:56:22 | 0:56:24 | |
That is when passion really, really sells the pitch. | 0:56:24 | 0:56:27 | |
Delivering a technical pitch isn't necessarily to be all and end all. | 0:56:27 | 0:56:31 | |
It is being able to keep calm and convince us | 0:56:31 | 0:56:34 | |
you know what this is about. | 0:56:34 | 0:56:36 | |
With four of the Dragons to choose from, Kirsty accepted an offer | 0:56:36 | 0:56:40 | |
from Peter Jones and Duncan Bannatyne. | 0:56:40 | 0:56:43 | |
It was like watching ET. | 0:56:43 | 0:56:46 | |
How can you watch ET at the end and not cry? | 0:56:46 | 0:56:51 | |
New business of the year. The winner is, Worthenshaws. | 0:56:53 | 0:56:56 | |
Fast forward a year, and Kirsty has been invited | 0:56:56 | 0:57:00 | |
to the Northwest Business Awards to celebrate her success. | 0:57:00 | 0:57:04 | |
She has now launched the product in all the major supermarkets | 0:57:04 | 0:57:08 | |
and says she is on target to sell 25,000 tubs this year. | 0:57:08 | 0:57:12 | |
I have shown that I can do it and I'm going to keep at it. | 0:57:13 | 0:57:17 | |
I am really determined to make our company a success | 0:57:17 | 0:57:20 | |
and I really hope we'll get there. | 0:57:20 | 0:57:22 | |
With the production and distribution infrastructure now in place, | 0:57:22 | 0:57:27 | |
Kirsty has the potential to turn her dream into a multi-million-pound business. | 0:57:27 | 0:57:32 | |
I think the future for Kirsty, as one of her investors, | 0:57:32 | 0:57:35 | |
is one of sheer excitement. | 0:57:35 | 0:57:37 | |
She is extremely determined, she wants to do a lot of things herself, | 0:57:37 | 0:57:41 | |
and I think she is destined for greatness. | 0:57:41 | 0:57:44 | |
Just like one of Peter's previous investments. | 0:57:44 | 0:57:48 | |
New Levi Roots. | 0:57:48 | 0:57:50 | |
Levi Roots of the frozen products. | 0:57:50 | 0:57:52 | |
Lord have mercy. | 0:57:52 | 0:57:54 | |
Next time, the Dragons examine the art of negotiation... | 0:57:55 | 0:57:59 | |
-Mark, 40%. -30%. | 0:57:59 | 0:58:01 | |
..and catch up with some of the entrepreneurs in the negotiating hall of fame. | 0:58:01 | 0:58:05 | |
Bannatyne, how are you? | 0:58:05 | 0:58:08 | |
Plus, who could be the best negotiator ever to walk up the Den's stairs? | 0:58:08 | 0:58:13 | |
He cleaned it all out. | 0:58:13 | 0:58:14 | |
Subtitles by Red Bee Media Ltd | 0:58:25 | 0:58:28 | |
E-mail [email protected] | 0:58:28 | 0:58:30 |