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MUSIC: "The Chain" by Fleetwood Mac

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Anything that could happen to a rock'n'roll band

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has happened to Fleetwood Mac.

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5 decades of hits and sell-out world tours,

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over 60 million albums sold worldwide

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but at a huge cost.

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It breaks my heart what happened.

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Multiple break-ups...

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I'm not "looking for love", I'm looking out for love.

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..fallouts,

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fist fights,

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legendary indulgence...

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We were like little kids in a toy shop.

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..long-term dependence...

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I thought it was going to kill me.

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..and yet...

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# Don't stop thinking about tomorrow

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# Don't stop, it'll soon be here... #

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..they're still selling out stadiums.

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They've been to hell and back but four decades on it's not over yet.

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CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

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Fleetwood Mac are one of the biggest bands in the world

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but, right from the start, that stardom came at a price.

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Back at the beginning,

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it was a blues band.

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BLUES NUMBER PLAYS

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Fleetwood Mac were conceived in the heady blues explosion

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of 1960s London,

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in a scene that would spawn some of our greatest rock legends.

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Fleetwood Mac had their own secret weapon -

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standing behind Mick Fleetwood and John McVie in this first line-up -

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guitarist Peter Green.

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Peter picked up a guitar and just...

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blossomed immediately into this monster, very individualistic

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guitar player.

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We're now going to do our latest single...

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called Oh Well.

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He simply, for me, is the best thing that ever came out of England.

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The touch he had,

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the songs that he wrote - Oh Well.

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# I can't help it About the shape I'm in

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# I can't sing, I ain't pretty And my legs are thin

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# But don't ask me What I think of you

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# I might not give the answer That you want me to... #

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When it came to the band looking for a name,

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I think it was Peter's

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very strong desire not to become...

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..Jeff Beck, Jimmy Page, you know. He just didn't want that.

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He wanted to be in a band.

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Peter said, "This band's called Fleetwood Mac."

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Front man Peter Green had named the band after his rhythm section

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but, despite his retiring nature, the band got bigger.

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And in 1969, with songs like Albatross going to number one,

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they outsold The Beatles.

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Peter's response was to try and give away the royalties

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to the hits he kept writing.

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# Now, when the day goes to sleep And the full moon looks... #

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If you listen to the words,

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it's a man crying out for help.

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He obviously had the beginnings

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of demons creeping into his, er, world.

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It breaks my heart what happened.

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While on tour in Germany,

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Peter Green was met by local scenesters -

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Rainer Langhans and the alluring Uschi Obermaier -

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who were planning a Bavarian Woodstock

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and invited him back to their commune.

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I think we'd just done the gig and then these two people

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dangled this lady in front of him -

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she was very pretty -

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and they went away to this schloss,

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and that's where he did acid and... all it took was a couple of tabs...

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and he never came back.

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MUSIC: "The Green Manilishi (With The Two Pronged Crown)"

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Mick and John carried on without Peter

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and in 1970 were joined by John's wife, blues singer Christine McVie.

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But they were less lucky with guitarists and front men.

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In 1971, on a US tour,

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Jeremy Spencer left his hotel

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to visit a book store on Hollywood Boulevard

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and was recruited by a religious cult - The Children of God.

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# Ah, we're on the way The children of God

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# We're on the way. #

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In 1972, guitarist Danny Kirwan,

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who shared the fateful German acid trip with Peter Green,

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exited the band after smashing his guitar

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against a dressing room wall in LA.

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In 1973,

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they released a new album with guitarist Bob Weston,

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who promptly had an affair with Mick's wife, model Jenny Boyd,

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and was asked to leave.

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By 1974, Fleetwood Mac -

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who had relocated to LA in the hope of breaking into America -

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were just another British rock band doing the rounds,

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down to just the rhythm section,

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a female songwriter reluctant to front the band

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and their latest guitarist, Bob Welch.

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Bob Welch was our guitar player and made several great albums with us.

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And he, at very short notice, at the end of a tour,

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the last gig, he decided, "I'm gone. I'm done. Out."

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Meanwhile, a young American

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folk/rock duo called Buckingham Nicks

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had also moved to Hollywood in search of musical fame.

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# You may not be as strong as me... #

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Coming from the growing genre of confessional songwriting,

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the couple had seen their debut album garner critical acclaim

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but not much else.

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Dropped by their label eight years after becoming an item,

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they were back to square one -

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sharing a single room and waiting on tables.

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I'd get home from my waitress job and we'd have dinner and then

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we'd start working at nine at night, and we'd work till three,

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go to bed, get back up and he'd work on the music

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and I'd go and be a waitress.

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So that's really what went on through 1974 till the last day of 1974.

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It was about a year and three months from when it came out

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till the day that Mick Fleetwood called us.

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-MICK:

-Met a guy in a supermarket

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who I knew vaguely. He said, "What are you doing?"

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I said, "Actually, I'm looking for a studio."

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He said, "I've started working at Sound City."

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Whish is the studio in the valley.

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And we drove to Sound City

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and walked into the studio.

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And Keith Olson was an engineer

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and I literally just was saying,

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"Well, what does the room sound like?" Keith put Buckingham Nicks,

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the master tape, on, which he'd produced with Lindsey and Stevie,

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just for something to play.

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And that's where I heard Lindsey's guitar playing.

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ELECTRIC GUITAR SOLO PLAYS

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I just happened to walk in to Studio A. I walked in

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right in the middle of this blistering guitar solo at the end

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and here's this really tall, skinny guy

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in the room just kind of...

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doing this and I really didn't know who it was.

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And then a week later I got a call form Mick and he said,

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"Our guitarist Bob Welch is leaving and would you like to join the band?"

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I didn't think about Stevie one way or the other

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because I was looking for a guitar player. Stevie's, quote,

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"never forgiven me". It was like, "Oh, you didn't want me,

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"you wanted Lindsey, right?" Which, right at the beginning, was true.

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And very quickly we realised that they were totally joined at the hip.

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And I said, "Well, I'll have to... I'll have to talk to my girlfriend

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"about that but, if we do,

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"you're going to have to take my girlfriend too."

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A meeting was arranged that would define the future of Fleetwood Mac.

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So we all met at a Mexican restaurant

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on Third Street in Los Angeles

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and we all got on like a house on fire.

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Everyone thought that it was a little unique that there were two women.

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It was certainly unique that there were two couples.

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And the only criteria with Christine was, "We have to meet,

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"because I just want to know that I get on with her

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"because there can be nothing worse that two cat-calling women

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"that don't get on in a band." And she was right.

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CHRISTINE: In the musical environment I hadn't worked with another girl.

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When I met her, I instantly liked her,

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not because she was like me, quite the contrary -

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we were totally unalike, me and Stevie.

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We were complete opposites

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at opposite ends of the personality spectrum.

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-STEVIE:

-I said, "You know, I think

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"this woman Christine McVie is pretty fantastic

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"and this would give me somebody to hang out with."

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In 1975, the new line-up gathered at Sound City

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to record their first album together and figure out how to marry

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a laid-back British blues trio

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to a folk/rock duo with Californian ambition.

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LINDSEY: We had songs

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that were probably being tooled up

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to be maybe another Buckingham Nicks album.

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Some of those songs went on to the first album they recorded

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with Fleetwood Mac, and Rhiannon was one of them.

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She writes on the piano in a very, very rudimentary manner.

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It's very much like this. It's...

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MIMICS PIANO KEYS IN RHIANNON

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My tendency is to add rhythm and to rock it up so just...

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bringing that thumb style that I have

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which is sort of somewhere between classical and folk.

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PLAYS RHIANNON

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I didn't know anything about Wales at the time

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but I always thought it was kind of like a Welsh

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country song, you know?

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PLAYS BASS LINE

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# Rhiannon rings like the bells in the night

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# And wouldn't you love to love her?

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# She goes through life like a bird in flight

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# And who will be her lover?

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# All your life you've never seen A woman

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# Taken by the wind

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# Would you stay... #

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MICK: We rehearsed before we went in the studio and my sense was,

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"My God, we're home and dry." Lindsey's a great performer

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and Stevie was IMMEDIATELY in charge of her arena.

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The whole spell that she put over audiences with all the movement

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and all the lovely stuff.

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# ..Oh, now you know

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# That your dreams unwind Love's a state of mind... #

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CHRIS SALEWICZ: She had the two voices,

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one of which is the kind of archetypal West Coast,

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female singer/songwriter, er, er, lilt - very sweet, very girly.

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# ..Still a state of mind

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# I know, I know

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# Dreams unwind Love is all you find... #

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But then there's also the almost Janis Joplin-like blues belting,

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both of which she uses to fine effect in Rhiannon,

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which, of course, was her stage tour de force.

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# ..Take me like the wind now Take me with the sky

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# Take me like the wind, baby Take me with the sky... #

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KEN CAILLAT: I'll never forget that one. It was a 1976 performance

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and she was just screaming Rhiannon. I can remember

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her vocal cords were just stretching out,

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you know, the muscles were stretching and she went

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a complete octave above where anybody could take that song.

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# ..All that's left, all that's left Rhiannon

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# All that's left, all that's left All that's left

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# R-r-r-rhiannon

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# Can't leave her Rhiannon, you can't leave her

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# You're a dreamer, you're a dreamer

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IMPROVISED BLUESY LYRIC

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# ..Dreamer, dreamer

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# A-a-a-ah... #

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The woman who had been the plus one in the new line-up

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gave the band the hit single

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that propelled their album up the US charts.

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MUSIC: "The Chain" by Fleetwood Mac

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The band also realised that the key to their success

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was a luxurious, simple sound.

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"Less is more"

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dictated the sound

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of the then Stevie and Lindsey incarnation of Fleetwood Mac.

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When we joined Fleetwood Mac,

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it was kind of an exercise in paring down.

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It was a kick and a snare and a bass.

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So keep it simple and just...and let the voices and Lindsey's guitars

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layer the rest of it.

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We didn't even know what a harmony was with Peter Green

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and then, bingo!

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The blend of the vocals - you know, Chris's voice is slightly husky

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and Stevie's and Lindsey's - that blend was...

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Wow!

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It was like, "Yeah, this is gonna happen."

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# Listen to the wind blow

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# Watch the sun rise. #

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In 1977, as the band started writing songs for their next album,

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they were primed by their label for even bigger success...

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with one catch.

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MICK: Going in to the making of Rumours,

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all of us, like a convergence - Stevie and Lindsey, John and Chris

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and me and Jenny, my then wife -

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all five band members were going in to, you know, an emotional hiccup,

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to say the least.

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When we joined Fleetwood Mac,

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everything was rocky between me and Lindsey.

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We had just our own sense of, um, displacement.

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I think we all kind of made a little silent vow,

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let's fix these relationships for right now,

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because we cannot break up.

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We just can't. If we do, there will be no Fleetwood Mac.

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PIANO PLAYS: "Don't Stop"

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MICK: That's Rumours.

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That's the canopy that led us in to the making of that album.

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# If you wake up and don't want to smile... #

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And within that framework was this incredible...

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you know, cross talk of laser beams of emotion

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going from one personality to the other.

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# Don't stop thinking about tomorrow

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# Don't stop, it'll soon be here

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# It'll be here better than before

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# Yesterday's gone Yesterday's gone... #

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Don't Stop, you know, is certainly Chris saying,

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"I love you but I'm not in love with you," to John.

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You go back and you read them and you go, "Oh! Well, OK."

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# ..All I want is to see you smile

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# If it takes just a little while

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# I know you don't believe that it's true

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# I never meant any harm to you... #

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Somebody's playing a song and everybody in the room's going...

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"That's about me, right?" You know? And, "Of course it's about you!"

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But what you have to do is you have to let that go

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because if you don't let that go

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you can never play these songs for anybody.

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# ..Don't stop thinking about tomorrow

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# Don't stop, it'll soon be here... #

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My songs were all about Lindsey and Lindsey's songs were all about me.

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You had to blow it off and play the song.

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It was an exercise in denial, it really was. That was the only way

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we could get through it. You had to put your feelings over here

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and get on with what needed to be done in the rest of the room.

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# ..Ooh... #

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I don't think we were really aware of it at the time

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until it was more or less completed,

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and then John, I think,

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made some reference to it sounding like a bunch of rumours.

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I think that's how we ended up calling the album that.

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And the end result was just very moving

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when you listened to it back-to-back. Everything strung together

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as it was, like something of a diary.

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-CHRIS SALEWICZ:

-John McVie liked a drink and I think he always had done

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and he was part of that whole tradition

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of English rock'n'rollers from the '60s, from John Mayall's era,

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who just liked to go out and get slaughtered basically.

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And, you know, living in LA,

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you know, he was still a member of John Mayall's brain damage club.

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I'm a legend in my own mind.

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I was over the top.

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Way over the top, you know.

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Beyond the pale, as it were, and... she couldn't handle it any more.

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And it happened when we were doing something down in Florida,

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um, that I got the word.

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BAND PLAYS: "You Make Loving Fun"

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Basically we weren't a unit any more

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and she'd rather be with our lighting director than me.

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# Sweet wonderful you... #

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If the album gave Christine a chance to say to John

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"don't stop thinking about tomorrow", it also gave her a chance

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to tell her lighting director that he'd made loving fun...

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# Ooh, you make loving fun... #

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..but Lindsey and Stevie weren't exactly singing along.

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-KEN CAILLAT:

-They were both sitting on stools next to each other

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singing into two microphones. We had to stop the tape or something.

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Suddenly they were screaming at each other, "Damn you! Go to hell!"

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And I, honestly, was embarrassed. I didn't know what to do.

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I rewound the tape as fast as I could.

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The moment I hit play,

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they were back into singing You Make Loving Fun again,

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which I thought was very ironic.

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Rumours was recorded at the Record Plant in San Francisco

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and one afternoon Stevie found a hidden corner of the studio

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to privately gather her thoughts

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on her failing relationship with Lindsey.

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I was just hanging out in the rest of the Record Plant and Sly Stone

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had a studio there and the people that owned the studio let me in.

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I went in there with my Fender

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and I spent the afternoon in there and I wrote Dreams.

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THEY PLAY: "Dreams"

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And, um, they really liked it.

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So we recorded it the next day

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and this was before the final blow-up of me and Lindsey. But we were close,

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but we hadn't had that final blow-up yet.

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# Now, here you go again

0:21:110:21:14

# You say you want your freedom... #

0:21:140:21:18

"Now, there you go again You say you want your freedom

0:21:180:21:21

"Who am I to keep you down?"

0:21:210:21:22

Um, I really was the one that wanted my freedom...

0:21:220:21:27

at that point,

0:21:270:21:28

um, because I just wasn't happy in the relationship any more.

0:21:280:21:32

The relationship, in my opinion, had become too dark,

0:21:320:21:36

and too obsessive

0:21:360:21:37

and too heavy.

0:21:370:21:39

I just was looking for some spring air.

0:21:390:21:42

I was just looking to breathe again.

0:21:420:21:45

# Thunder only happens when it's raining

0:21:450:21:51

# Players only love you when they're playing

0:21:530:21:59

# They say, women, they will come and they will go

0:22:010:22:06

# When the rain washes you clean you'll know... #

0:22:090:22:15

I think the thing about Stevie Nicks is her style of writing

0:22:150:22:18

is much more pastoral, whimsical, West Coast hippie, really.

0:22:180:22:23

And Lindsey Buckingham's style is a much tougher,

0:22:230:22:28

almost punkier sound actually.

0:22:280:22:32

Lindsey, of course, had a riposte to Stevie's take on their relationship.

0:22:370:22:40

Complete with a dramatic opening and a rollicking backbeat.

0:22:400:22:45

Um, I had this idea.

0:22:450:22:48

It was actually taken from Street Fighting Man by the Rolling Stones.

0:22:480:22:55

Where Charlie Watson's going, "Um, um, pah, boom, boom, boom."

0:22:550:23:00

And Mick didn't wanna... he couldn't quite get that

0:23:000:23:05

-and he did his own thing.

-DRUMS BEAT WITH FOOT

0:23:050:23:07

He did a four-four and he went, "Um, pah, boom, boom..."

0:23:070:23:10

DRUMS BEAT

0:23:100:23:13

# Loving you Isn't the right thing to do

0:23:180:23:22

# How can I ever change the things that I feel? #

0:23:240:23:29

Go Your Own Way - it's a bittersweet testimony

0:23:290:23:35

from a partner to another partner.

0:23:350:23:37

Well, I always looked at Go Your Own Way as Lindsey's Dreams.

0:23:370:23:40

# When you won't take it from me... #

0:23:400:23:43

My Dreams was my kind of airy-fairy, spirituality, sang,

0:23:430:23:49

"When the rain washes you clean, you'll know."

0:23:490:23:51

In other words, we're all gonna come out of this.

0:23:510:23:54

And, Lindsey, you and I will come out of this and we'll be friends.

0:23:540:23:57

And it'll be OK.

0:23:570:23:59

And Lindsey's Dreams, which was Go Your Own Way,

0:23:590:24:02

was angry and nasty.

0:24:020:24:03

# Go your own way! #

0:24:030:24:05

And in my opinion, extremely disrespectful,

0:24:050:24:09

to say "shacking up".

0:24:090:24:11

# Packing up Shacking up's all you want to do. #

0:24:130:24:18

And me, lady-like, prudey Stevie,

0:24:200:24:24

which I am, was very offended,

0:24:240:24:28

by him saying "shacking up is all you want to do".

0:24:280:24:33

Because I was not in any kind of a shacking-up mood.

0:24:330:24:36

I was not shacking up with anybody.

0:24:360:24:37

# Go your own way

0:24:370:24:40

# You can call it another lonely day... #

0:24:400:24:45

It may be a rather truthful and blunt observation.

0:24:450:24:51

But...you know, that's the way you write songs.

0:24:510:24:57

When I was hired to do the job, I didn't understand.

0:25:060:25:09

Lindsey'd always refused to sing his lyrics.

0:25:090:25:12

And I found out later that the reason he wasn't singing the lyrics

0:25:120:25:16

was because he knew it'd make Stevie mad.

0:25:160:25:18

Lindsey and I broke up, like, on the last day.

0:25:180:25:21

And we had a big fight. I don't remember what the fight was about.

0:25:230:25:26

But we were getting ready to go home

0:25:260:25:29

and I basically said to him, "Well, I'll pack the car and you drive it.

0:25:290:25:33

"I'm flying home and you drive."

0:25:330:25:36

And we were done.

0:25:360:25:37

Done.

0:25:380:25:39

Dreams gave the band their first number-one single in America,

0:25:530:25:57

as Rumours hit the ground running,

0:25:570:26:00

selling 200,000 copies a day.

0:26:000:26:02

Adult-oriented rock had truly arrived.

0:26:020:26:06

The success of that album was as much about people investing in us,

0:26:060:26:13

as people, and realising that a lot of this music was actually

0:26:130:26:17

cross-dialogues to each other.

0:26:170:26:19

You know, Lindsey Buckingham and Stevie Nicks are just tearing apart...

0:26:190:26:22

they're pulling down the curtains of the bedroom.

0:26:220:26:25

They're opening the doors wide. What's really going on in here?

0:26:250:26:29

All the group's neuroses are laid bare.

0:26:290:26:31

It's that blend of the British blues sensibility

0:26:310:26:34

with this almost neurotic and actually absolutely heartfelt

0:26:340:26:39

lyric writing.

0:26:390:26:40

There's a darkness to it.

0:26:400:26:42

Where that's been this band's saving grace, you know?

0:26:420:26:48

Where...it started in my mind with Peter Green.

0:26:480:26:53

It's accessible and it's sort of pop music, but not.

0:26:530:27:00

There was one song on Rumours that wasn't released as a single,

0:27:040:27:08

but became a show-stopper and a kind of anthem for the band.

0:27:080:27:11

The Chain.

0:27:110:27:13

It's ironic because it is a song about keeping together

0:27:170:27:22

and somehow finding the tools and the vocabulary to not only do it

0:27:220:27:27

in the moment, but to keep doing it.

0:27:270:27:29

I mean, it's like nobody, no matter how bad it got,

0:27:290:27:32

nobody didn't want to be in the band.

0:27:320:27:34

Nobody wanted to get out of the band.

0:27:340:27:36

So, it was like, you know, the band was number-one priority.

0:27:360:27:39

So it's like...the relationships did not override the band.

0:27:390:27:43

# Chain... Keep us together

0:27:430:27:48

# Run in the shadows

0:27:480:27:51

# Chain... Keep us together

0:27:510:27:55

# Running in the shadows

0:27:550:27:57

# Chain... #

0:27:570:27:58

Rumours made Fleetwood Mac the biggest band in the world.

0:27:580:28:02

They even had their own star on Hollywood Boulevard.

0:28:020:28:05

But like Peter Green before, success sat uneasily with front man Lindsey,

0:28:050:28:10

who felt the band were in danger of becoming dinosaurs.

0:28:100:28:14

He probably would have left Fleetwood Mac.

0:28:140:28:17

He came up to my house. We spent a couple of days talking

0:28:170:28:21

about what he wanted to do.

0:28:210:28:24

It was all about Lindsey's thing of - we've gotta go forward.

0:28:240:28:29

PUNK MUSIC

0:28:290:28:33

After Rumours in 1977,

0:28:330:28:36

a new wave of young bands had arrived.

0:28:360:28:39

And Lindsey, listening to the Clash and Talking Heads,

0:28:390:28:42

was desperate for the band to experiment.

0:28:420:28:44

In 1979, Fleetwood Mac released an elaborately packaged double album

0:28:470:28:50

and spent the industry's biggest recording budget to date...

0:28:500:28:54

..on this.

0:28:550:28:57

MUSIC: "The Ledge" by Fleetwood Mac

0:28:570:29:00

# Countin' on my fingers Countin' on my toes... #

0:29:060:29:08

NEWSREEL: ..four billion dollar-a-year record industry

0:29:080:29:11

experienced an 11% drop in sales.

0:29:110:29:13

Executives felt that one of the albums

0:29:130:29:15

that could bring buyers back into the stores would be Fleetwood Mac's

0:29:150:29:19

next release.

0:29:190:29:21

Tusk was a different-sounding record than Rumours.

0:29:210:29:25

I was all ready to go in and make another Rumours.

0:29:250:29:29

But Lindsey had different ideas.

0:29:290:29:32

He... Every idea that I suggested, sound-wise, he wanted the opposite.

0:29:320:29:38

# Countin' on my fingers Countin' on my toes

0:29:380:29:42

# Runnin' through my fingers Watchin' how it grows... #

0:29:420:29:45

The record company wanted us to really just make another Rumours.

0:29:450:29:48

And Lindsey was really offended by that.

0:29:480:29:51

And Lindsey is one of those people that will go up on the cross

0:29:510:29:56

to make a point, and die.

0:29:560:29:58

Lindsey was this volatile character.

0:30:000:30:02

He was kind of a whacked-out guy.

0:30:020:30:04

I remember one day, and this was when he had this big kind of afro,

0:30:040:30:09

I looked up and all his hair was gone.

0:30:090:30:11

Just all...all irregular.

0:30:110:30:14

And I said, "What happened?"

0:30:140:30:15

And he said, "I was just in my shower and I freaked out.

0:30:150:30:18

"And I just cut it all off." And he really said, "Yeah, cut it all out."

0:30:180:30:22

And I said, "OK, well, we're all long hair and beards

0:30:220:30:25

"and you look pretty strange here."

0:30:250:30:27

But that was the kind of thing he would do.

0:30:270:30:30

He would just freak out.

0:30:300:30:32

You know, you've gotta just do what is in your heart.

0:30:340:30:38

And I was quite excited about trying some new approaches.

0:30:380:30:42

SHE SINGS PASSIONATELY

0:30:420:30:50

# Yeah, but you'll never catch me. #

0:30:510:30:57

Stevie, that's great...

0:30:570:31:00

It took 13 months in one place.

0:31:000:31:02

So we weren't moving around. So it was a long, long 13 months.

0:31:020:31:06

We were recording at Village Recorders in Santa Monica

0:31:060:31:09

and we were recording six days a week. We were all there every day.

0:31:090:31:13

And, you know, we just got through it. And it was really horrible.

0:31:130:31:17

With a certain amount of trepidation, I did get the band into

0:31:170:31:20

the idea of trying some new processes

0:31:200:31:24

and some different sensibilities.

0:31:240:31:27

I remember one day he wanted to get an aggressive-sounding vocal

0:31:270:31:31

and he had me tape the microphone on the tile floor

0:31:310:31:36

and he got down in the push up position

0:31:360:31:38

and sang into this microphone, sitting on the floor.

0:31:380:31:42

I still wouldn't mind trying that square one Stevie uses on stage.

0:31:420:31:46

-All right.

-Two... What, this one, you want?

0:31:460:31:48

-Yeah.

-All right.

0:31:480:31:50

It's like Lindsey with the microphone on the tile floor,

0:31:500:31:53

like laying on the floor, with his head flat on the floor,

0:31:530:31:57

going, "Ooh, ooh, ooh-ooh, ooh, ooh.

0:31:570:32:02

"Ooh-ooh, ooh, ooh."

0:32:020:32:04

And we're just all like, "OK.

0:32:040:32:07

"That was great. Take two."

0:32:070:32:09

JAUNTILY And he goes, "Ooh-ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh.

0:32:090:32:14

"Ooh-ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh."

0:32:140:32:16

"OK. Take three."

0:32:160:32:18

And then he's taking the whole thing and then he's slowing it down.

0:32:210:32:24

And then he's recording that and then he's speeding it back up.

0:32:240:32:28

And then he's putting it through a Leslie organ speaker.

0:32:280:32:32

And it was just hard for the rest of us

0:32:320:32:35

because we kind of... we weren't always involved.

0:32:350:32:38

GUITAR PLAYS

0:32:380:32:42

We had a great little anteroom, little lounge room outside of it.

0:32:430:32:47

And we would just be in the lounge, drinking coffee,

0:32:470:32:52

watching television, eating, and waiting for Lindsey to say,

0:32:520:32:57

"OK, come on in now. There's something for you to do."

0:32:570:33:00

There we are! Coffee's made!

0:33:020:33:05

You've gotta see, we lose track of time in here.

0:33:050:33:07

I called my mother last night for the first time since Christmas.

0:33:070:33:12

-You thought it had been a month.

-I thought it had been a month, right.

0:33:120:33:16

-Not literally a month.

-You do lose complete track of time.

0:33:160:33:21

Cos your days and your nights aren't set up right.

0:33:210:33:23

The most elaborate and expensive production was saved

0:33:230:33:27

for the album's title track.

0:33:270:33:30

The track, Tusk, came out of a riff that Lindsey always used to play

0:33:300:33:34

at sound check.

0:33:340:33:35

HE PLAYS RIFF

0:33:350:33:37

And I came back and said, "What about a hundred-piece brass band

0:33:450:33:51

"playing the riff?"

0:33:510:33:52

And we're all like, "OK."

0:33:520:33:55

"OK, if you can pull this off, Mick, then great."

0:33:550:33:58

And...it was a weird one, you know?

0:34:010:34:04

It was Mick's idea to put the USC marching band on there,

0:34:040:34:07

which was a stroke of genius.

0:34:070:34:09

We put the 120-piece brass band with Fleetwood Mac

0:34:140:34:19

and recorded it at Dodger Stadium.

0:34:190:34:22

# Why don't you ask him What's going on?

0:34:230:34:29

# Why don't ask him Who's the latest on his throne?

0:34:290:34:34

It really was an extraordinary day and we did film it, thank goodness,

0:34:340:34:38

and I got to twirl, cos my mom was a majorette.

0:34:380:34:42

So my mom taught me to twirl when I was really little.

0:34:420:34:44

So I did a little of that.

0:34:440:34:46

We're honorary members of the USC marching band.

0:34:490:34:52

# ..Tusk!

0:34:570:35:00

# Just say that you love me...

0:35:000:35:03

# Tusk! #

0:35:110:35:12

The extravagant Tusk disappointed the record company by only managing

0:35:120:35:17

a quarter of Rumours' sales figures.

0:35:170:35:19

But as a live act, Fleetwood Mac were still a draw

0:35:190:35:23

and were accordingly booked onto a huge 18-month world tour.

0:35:230:35:27

I saw the Tusk tour in San Francisco at the Cow Palace

0:35:270:35:32

and the audience, it was kind of kids in the front rows.

0:35:320:35:36

They're screaming, they think it's fantastic to be there.

0:35:360:35:39

It's like a teenage rock'n'roll show.

0:35:390:35:42

SCREAMING

0:35:420:35:44

BAND PLAYS

0:35:520:35:56

On the extensive Tusk tour, things got indulgent.

0:36:090:36:13

Perhaps because Fleetwood Mac had sacked their previous manager

0:36:130:36:17

and were newly managed by...

0:36:170:36:18

their drummer.

0:36:180:36:20

Mick was managing the band.

0:36:200:36:23

Mick's a dreamer and he's not an accountant, let's leave it at that.

0:36:230:36:30

We went through a really bad experience with, let's put it...

0:36:300:36:35

-our now ex-manager. You remember that, Mum, don't you?

-I do, indeed.

0:36:350:36:39

We never had another manager.

0:36:390:36:42

-Good thing too.

-And here it sits.

0:36:420:36:46

This is the manager.

0:36:460:36:47

You know, I think there was a tendency to get the biggest plane

0:36:470:36:51

we could get to travel in

0:36:510:36:52

and all for reasons of wanting things to be great.

0:36:520:36:57

It costs between 25,000 and 30,000 dollars a day

0:36:570:37:01

just to keep Fleetwood Mac on the road.

0:37:010:37:03

But the investments in luxury jets and the separate limousines

0:37:030:37:07

that emphasise their individual styles

0:37:070:37:09

are the group's own decision.

0:37:090:37:11

SCREAMING

0:37:110:37:15

We all make reference to this thing called the bubble, you know?

0:37:170:37:22

The Fleetwood Mac canopy, where a world within a world,

0:37:220:37:27

as Lindsey would say, existed. Some of it very insane really.

0:37:270:37:34

The Tusk tour was legendary for its success.

0:37:360:37:38

And one of the things I noticed was that, backstage,

0:37:380:37:42

in the same way that at that point people were getting into drinking

0:37:420:37:45

Perrier water, instead of tap water,

0:37:450:37:47

Fleetwood Mac had bottles of oxygen.

0:37:470:37:50

Even their air came out of tanks.

0:37:500:37:55

We at that point were, for sure, like little kids in a toy shop.

0:38:040:38:11

I just remember things got larger.

0:38:190:38:21

We were doing the US festival with the Eagles.

0:38:210:38:24

250,000 people.

0:38:240:38:26

SCREAMING

0:38:260:38:29

It just grew.

0:38:330:38:35

I mean, the excess around Fleetwood Mac is well known.

0:38:390:38:42

There seemed to be a lot of alcohol and Peruvian marching powder.

0:38:420:38:46

But I think this was all fuel to keep them all going.

0:38:460:38:50

Cos I could tell, even in '76, when I met them in LA, they were exhausted.

0:38:500:38:55

Already! They were absolutely knackered.

0:38:550:38:59

They needed fuel.

0:38:590:39:00

SCREAMING

0:39:000:39:02

To make matters even more complicated,

0:39:140:39:17

behind Lindsey's back, Stevie and Mick had started seeing each other.

0:39:170:39:23

# Wait a minute, baby

0:39:230:39:26

# Stay with me a while

0:39:260:39:29

# Said you'd give me light

0:39:310:39:33

# But you never told me about the fire... #

0:39:330:39:37

Stevie and myself had a great relationship

0:39:370:39:42

but it was not in the open.

0:39:420:39:45

It was not, you know, open... It was a very private affair really.

0:39:450:39:53

And then...Mick fell in love with my best friend, Sara.

0:39:530:39:57

And my best friend, Sara, moved in with Mick and left her husband.

0:39:590:40:03

The awkwardness, no doubt, the dastardly deed

0:40:030:40:08

was that Sara was and still is a great friend of Stevie's.

0:40:080:40:14

And it was the classic, you know, intergalactic...mess.

0:40:140:40:21

And out of that came, certainly that song, Sara.

0:40:230:40:25

# Said, Sara

0:40:250:40:27

# You're the poet in my heart

0:40:290:40:31

# Never change

0:40:330:40:35

# Never stop... #

0:40:370:40:40

So there we were recording Tusk

0:40:400:40:42

with Lindsey, who never really got over this relationship with me,

0:40:450:40:49

and now Mick has done this thing and he's living with my friend, Sara.

0:40:490:40:53

And she's banished from the studio.

0:40:530:40:55

And so I lost Mick and my friend Sara in one fell swoop.

0:40:550:40:58

SCREAMING AND RIFF

0:40:580:41:00

Being in Fleetwood Mac, to this day, is very tense.

0:41:070:41:10

It's a tense situation.

0:41:100:41:12

Always. Was from the very beginning and is now.

0:41:120:41:17

In my solo career I'm not tense.

0:41:170:41:20

I'm not uptight.

0:41:200:41:23

Because I don't have any reason to be uptight.

0:41:230:41:25

In 1981, Stevie, who was becoming a star in her own right,

0:41:280:41:33

launched a parallel solo career.

0:41:330:41:36

Her first album, Bella Donna, eclipsed Fleetwood Mac's Mirage,

0:41:360:41:41

topping US and UK charts,

0:41:410:41:43

and conjured three hit singles, including the spellbinding

0:41:430:41:47

Edge Of Seventeen.

0:41:470:41:49

# Just like the white winged dove Sings a song

0:41:490:41:53

# Sounds like she's singing

0:41:530:41:55

# Ooh, baby, ooh Said ooh

0:41:550:41:58

# Just like the white winged dove Sings a song

0:41:580:42:01

# Sounds like she's singing

0:42:010:42:03

# Ooh, baby, ooh Said ooh... #

0:42:030:42:07

She was the ultimate West Coast hippie dream girl.

0:42:070:42:10

You know, in her hotel room, there'd be a lot of scarves and silk objects

0:42:100:42:15

draped over every possible lamp and light bulb, everywhere.

0:42:150:42:18

# ..Nothing else mattered... #

0:42:190:42:21

Stevie has a real fondness for accessories

0:42:230:42:27

and playing with things and becoming characters on stage.

0:42:270:42:30

It just evolved.

0:42:330:42:34

Top hat, think she had a cane at one point

0:42:340:42:37

and then chiffon and it grew and she developed it.

0:42:370:42:41

When she puts on a shawl she literally becomes another character.

0:42:430:42:46

She's so petite on stage and they were doing larger and larger arenas

0:42:500:42:55

so she wanted something that would really show

0:42:550:42:59

that she's there, that she's moving and it would be dramatic.

0:42:590:43:02

# ..Ooh, baby, ooh Said ooh

0:43:020:43:07

# Just like the white winged dove Sings a song

0:43:070:43:10

# Sounds like she's singing

0:43:100:43:12

# Ooh, baby, ooh, Said ooh... #

0:43:120:43:15

If you go to concerts you'll see many, many people dressed like her.

0:43:150:43:18

In various stages of her career.

0:43:180:43:21

They're dressed to the nines, like Stevie-ites all over the place.

0:43:210:43:25

People remember, "Oh, my God, do you remember we were in the audience

0:43:250:43:29

"and you see thousands of Stevie Nicks!" you know?

0:43:290:43:32

HE MIMICS HER

0:43:320:43:34

Thank you for being with us on this very special night. Good night.

0:43:350:43:40

The cult of Stevie Nicks grew.

0:43:420:43:44

But was laced with rumours about her growing dependence

0:43:440:43:48

on a particular brand of stardust.

0:43:480:43:51

# Rock on, gold dust woman

0:43:510:43:54

# Take your silver spoon

0:43:540:43:57

# Dig your grave... #

0:43:570:44:00

The cocaine became very prevalent during Rumours

0:44:060:44:11

and, um, everybody was doing it.

0:44:110:44:13

There used to be a bag, the community bag of cocaine, on the console.

0:44:130:44:19

When we got into Tusk, into the recording of Tusk,

0:44:190:44:22

and the thing happened with me and Mick and Sara, that was really a drag and, of course,

0:44:220:44:26

every time something really bad happened, everybody started doing more coke. Just to get through.

0:44:260:44:32

And, um, so it got, you know, it was way... It was out of control.

0:44:320:44:36

# Well, did she make you cry

0:44:360:44:39

# Make you break down

0:44:390:44:41

# Shatter your illusions of love...? #

0:44:410:44:44

I didn't stop doing coke until I went to Betty Ford in 1985.

0:44:440:44:48

So our cocaine-addict selves went pretty much from the beginning

0:44:480:44:52

of 1977 till - for me, anyway - till 1985.

0:44:520:44:57

I don't know when everybody else stopped because nobody else went to rehab but me,

0:44:570:45:01

so I have a documented timeline on me but I don't really know what everybody else did.

0:45:010:45:06

Um... But it, you know, it was totally out of hand.

0:45:060:45:10

And it... I thought it was going to kill me.

0:45:100:45:13

In the mid-'80s Fleetwood Mac burnt out and fell apart and were silent

0:45:170:45:21

for a full five years. But in 1987, still carrying relationship and substance problems,

0:45:210:45:26

they reconvened uneasily for Tango In The Night.

0:45:260:45:30

# If I could turn the page

0:45:310:45:34

# In time then I'd rearrange Just a day or two

0:45:340:45:39

# Close my, close my, close my eyes... #

0:45:410:45:45

That was the culmination, for me, of individual lifestyles

0:45:450:45:49

having gone beyond the point to which there was anything you could defend about it

0:45:490:45:54

helping creativity, being anything other than destructive of the creative process.

0:45:540:46:00

# ..Tell me lies Tell me sweet little lies

0:46:020:46:05

-# Tell me lies

-Tell me, tell me lies... #

0:46:060:46:09

Stevie, her solo career had pulled her off in various directions,

0:46:090:46:14

but even so, she wasn't, she just was not present mentally or physically when she WAS there.

0:46:140:46:20

And she wasn't there very much. I mean, that album probably took eight months or so, a little longer,

0:46:200:46:25

to record, and we probably saw her all of two weeks, the whole time.

0:46:250:46:29

# ..I hope that you understand

0:46:290:46:32

# There's a reason why... #

0:46:320:46:34

That was when I was on Klonopin, which is a tranquilliser,

0:46:340:46:38

and that was after coke, that was after I went to Betty Ford. I was off the coke, I was fine.

0:46:380:46:43

And a psychiatrist decided that what I really needed

0:46:430:46:46

was to be on Klonopin cos it would calm me down, it would keep me from going back to coke.

0:46:460:46:51

And this drug was more deadly than the coke, for me.

0:46:510:46:55

And so what Lindsey was dealing with on Tango In The Night

0:46:550:47:00

was the fact that when you're on tranquillisers, you really can't be depended on.

0:47:000:47:04

So I would get there late,

0:47:040:47:06

or I wouldn't get there at all.

0:47:060:47:08

So that was hard for him.

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AUDIENCE WHISTLES AND CHEERS

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The biggest hit on Tango In The Night

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was a very personal testimony from Lindsey,

0:47:220:47:25

a driven musical leader of the band,

0:47:250:47:28

with relationship issues that had taken him into a dark place.

0:47:280:47:32

# Looking out for love

0:47:360:47:39

# In a night so still

0:47:390:47:42

# Oh, I'll build you a kingdom

0:47:430:47:47

# In that house on the hill

0:47:470:47:50

# Looking out for love... #

0:47:500:47:54

'That IS an important song to me, because if you look at the lyric,

0:47:540:47:59

'it DID describe accurately the person I was in 1987.'

0:47:590:48:04

# ..You said that you love me... #

0:48:040:48:07

I had a lot of, uh, relationships which were less than ideal,

0:48:070:48:12

and, and probably much of that being my doing, you know?

0:48:120:48:18

# Looking out for love... #

0:48:180:48:22

That song, Big Love, is about being up on the hill

0:48:220:48:26

and looking out for love. But that's the point - I'm not looking for love, I'm looking OUT for love.

0:48:260:48:31

I'm sort of defending against love, you know?

0:48:310:48:33

# ..Just looking out for love

0:48:330:48:38

# A big, big love... #

0:48:410:48:45

Tango In The Night was Fleetwood Mac's biggest seller since Rumours

0:48:450:48:49

and breathed new life into their career.

0:48:490:48:52

But there was one dance partner dragging his feet.

0:48:520:48:55

I didn't really wanna be a part of that kind of excess.

0:48:570:49:01

And usually my experience has been if you have that in the studio, it's usually about times ten on the road.

0:49:010:49:07

So that's when I exited the band.

0:49:070:49:10

I remember him quitting when we had a meeting at Christine's house.

0:49:220:49:26

Because the tour had been booked. Because the album ended up coming out really good.

0:49:260:49:31

It was a big tour.

0:49:310:49:34

And he just sat there in the chair and said, "I can't go."

0:49:340:49:37

"I don't wanna go."

0:49:380:49:40

And we all just, like, "Well, you HAVE to go because we can't...

0:49:400:49:44

"As an artist, you cannot put all the promoters out of business."

0:49:440:49:47

It was certainly a negative thing to do, as far as the band was concerned,

0:49:510:49:55

and they were very hurt by it. But I just felt I needed to somehow reclaim

0:49:550:49:59

my sanity and my own sense of individuality.

0:49:590:50:01

When Lindsey said, "I'm not going,"

0:50:010:50:04

I think I got up and ran across the room and tried to strangle him.

0:50:040:50:08

And then he chased me out of the house, through Christine's driveway and...

0:50:080:50:12

we had a huge fight. And, uh...

0:50:120:50:16

..that was that. He was done.

0:50:170:50:19

CROWD CHEERS

0:50:190:50:22

# I'd rather jack

0:50:240:50:26

# Golden oldies, Rolling Stones We don't want them back

0:50:290:50:32

# I'd rather jack

0:50:320:50:34

# Than Fleetwood Mac... #

0:50:340:50:36

By the end of the '80s things had definitely moved on.

0:50:360:50:40

# ..I'd rather jack

0:50:400:50:42

# Than Fleetwood Mac I'd rather jack... #

0:50:420:50:45

The band carried on without Lindsey

0:50:450:50:47

but The Reynolds Girls and a younger generation now saw Fleetwood Mac as out-of-touch oldies,

0:50:470:50:53

an image not helped by Mick's unfortunate foray into presenting

0:50:530:50:58

on 1989's disastrous outing of the Brits.

0:50:580:51:02

-..The fabulous, the legendary, the sensational...

-Four...

0:51:020:51:06

-..The Four Tops!

-Woo!

0:51:060:51:07

-Hi!

-Not The Four Tops,

0:51:080:51:10

-but thank you!

-You don't look like 'em, George!

0:51:100:51:13

No, I'm The One Top. The Four Tops have been held up, putting their make-up on.

0:51:130:51:16

MUSIC: "Tusk" by Fleetwood Mac

0:51:160:51:20

Inspired by Bill Clinton's use of Don't Stop as his campaign theme,

0:51:230:51:26

the band staged a full reunion in 1997,

0:51:260:51:29

complete with the entire USC Marching Band.

0:51:290:51:32

# Tusk... #

0:51:340:51:36

The millennium was even kinder to the band.

0:51:370:51:40

A younger generation discovered their back catalogue,

0:51:400:51:43

Destiny's Child sampling Stevie's Edge Of Seventeen

0:51:430:51:46

for Bootylicious...

0:51:460:51:48

# Kelly, can you handle this?

0:51:480:51:51

# Michelle, can you handle this?

0:51:510:51:53

# Beyonce, can you handle this?

0:51:530:51:56

# I don't think they can handle this, whoooo...! #

0:51:560:51:59

..and pop's intelligentsia noting their influence

0:51:590:52:02

on a new crop of young bands.

0:52:020:52:04

After their reunion, a weary Christine McVie decided to retreat from America

0:52:060:52:11

and the band.

0:52:110:52:13

I think that was it, and I just said,

0:52:130:52:15

"I just have to go home."

0:52:150:52:17

Still took me five years

0:52:170:52:20

to finally move back here. But, no, I have had no regrets.

0:52:200:52:23

# ..You can go your own way

0:52:230:52:28

# Go your own way... #

0:52:280:52:30

But the remaining four members released a new album

0:52:300:52:34

and staged two sell-out world tours to rave reviews.

0:52:340:52:38

# ..You can go your own way

0:52:380:52:42

# Go your own way... #

0:52:420:52:44

'We'd just come back from New York'

0:52:440:52:47

and I don't think the band's played better.

0:52:470:52:51

This is a great body of work we've got

0:52:510:52:54

and that allows you to sort of... all the other good feelings

0:52:540:52:59

and the other more objective and positive aspects of how you feel about the people, to follow.

0:52:590:53:04

Perhaps some of that good feeling is down to the fact that Lindsey, in middle age,

0:53:080:53:13

has stopped looking OUT for love, and finally found it.

0:53:130:53:16

# ..Go your own way... #

0:53:160:53:19

I'm so happy that he fell on his feet with a family

0:53:190:53:24

and had a whole life outside of a very intense attitude

0:53:240:53:29

he has to creativity, his life, what he wants to accomplish.

0:53:290:53:34

And, inadvertently, I think it's broadened his scope, amazingly.

0:53:340:53:39

This is the best thing that ever happened to me, you know?

0:53:390:53:42

I can honestly say, you know, at age 59,

0:53:420:53:45

this is the best time of my life.

0:53:450:53:48

Two other band members have found

0:53:490:53:51

that relocating to a faraway paradise

0:53:510:53:54

is one way of surviving Fleetwood Mac.

0:53:540:53:57

John McVie lives in Oahu, one of the islands here in Hawaii.

0:53:570:54:02

This is Maui, this is my home.

0:54:020:54:06

And we thought just to let you know... How cold is it back there?!

0:54:080:54:13

HE CHUCKLES

0:54:130:54:16

The rhythm section, still together, but we're...

0:54:160:54:20

we're not freezing, we're in Hawaii.

0:54:200:54:22

We love England, we love Europe,

0:54:220:54:24

-but, uh...

-Don't like being cold!

0:54:240:54:28

-I don't like being cold.

-At this age, it's too much!

0:54:280:54:31

The arthritis!

0:54:310:54:33

Good Lord, I hope you don't use that!

0:54:390:54:41

Oh, I'm sure they will, John!

0:54:410:54:43

CROWD CHEERS

0:54:470:54:50

But back inside the Fleetwood Mac bubble,

0:54:500:54:53

every night on tour, the couple who made the band superstars

0:54:530:54:57

are still working things through.

0:54:570:55:00

# I took this love and I took it down

0:55:000:55:03

# Climbed a mountain and I turned around... #

0:55:050:55:09

There's still, with Stevie and Lindsey, a healing process

0:55:090:55:13

which may very well go on to both of their dying days.

0:55:130:55:17

# ..Till the landslide brought me down... #

0:55:170:55:21

'I met her when I was about 16.

0:55:210:55:24

'She transferred to my high school. I was a junior, she was a senior, she was 17.'

0:55:240:55:29

So, it's, it's been...you know, most of my life.

0:55:290:55:34

'Lindsey's and my relationship started in '66

0:55:340:55:37

'and went through '77,

0:55:370:55:40

'so when we finally broke up at the end of the recording of Rumours,'

0:55:400:55:44

it was devastating.

0:55:440:55:46

And it was not the way he wanted it to go.

0:55:460:55:50

So, there has been a payback all these years.

0:55:510:55:55

Sadly, probably the lion's share of those years, there has been distance and animosity, you know,

0:55:550:56:00

of some kind, mixed in with everything else, too. It's never been just one thing.

0:56:000:56:05

You know, Lindsey and I...

0:56:050:56:08

we'll never be, um...

0:56:080:56:11

touchy-feely friends.

0:56:110:56:13

# ..But time makes you bolder

0:56:130:56:17

# Children get older

0:56:170:56:20

# I'm getting older too... #

0:56:200:56:25

'She's in the process of learning how to trust me again,'

0:56:250:56:29

as someone who is her friend.

0:56:290:56:31

You know, I've never been to Lindsey's house, and probably never will go to Lindsey's house.

0:56:310:56:36

Lindsey's been here once.

0:56:360:56:38

'Maybe down the line, in 10 or 15 years, when Lindsey and I are 75, we'll be friends again.

0:56:380:56:43

'When Fleetwood Mac is a distant memory.'

0:56:430:56:46

And his kids will be grown. He has three really precious children. They'll be gone.

0:56:460:56:51

'People say, as time passes,'

0:56:560:56:59

the wounds heal. Maybe, you know, later on down the line, all those wounds will heal.

0:56:590:57:03

# ..Can I handle the seasons

0:57:030:57:08

# Of my life?

0:57:080:57:12

# Uh-uh, I don't know... #

0:57:120:57:16

From agony to ecstasy, from the pits to the...pinnacle.

0:57:160:57:22

It's such a unique dynamic with a group of people. It's nice to still be here doing that.

0:57:220:57:27

Fleetwood Mac is bigger, grander, heavier...

0:57:270:57:31

..and way more tense.

0:57:320:57:34

Hey, we're still talking about it but it's OK, you know,

0:57:340:57:37

we're all in our 60s now!

0:57:370:57:39

We ain't finished yet!

0:57:400:57:43

# ..And if you see my reflection

0:57:430:57:47

# In the snow...

0:57:470:57:53

# Covered...

0:57:530:57:56

# Hills... #

0:57:560:58:01

CROWD CHEERS

0:58:010:58:03

# ..Well, maybe...

0:58:030:58:08

# The landslide will bring it down

0:58:080:58:13

# Well, well, the landslide

0:58:130:58:19

# Bring it down. #

0:58:190:58:24

CROWD CHEERS

0:58:240:58:27

# Oh, ooh

0:58:290:58:34

# I wanna be with you everywhere

0:58:350:58:38

# Oh, ooh

0:58:380:58:42

# I wanna be with you everywhere... #

0:58:430:58:46

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