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This piece, Farewell To Stromness | 0:00:12 | 0:00:15 | |
has since it was written been consistently in the classical charts. | 0:00:15 | 0:00:19 | |
It was written by arguably our greatest living composer | 0:00:19 | 0:00:25 | |
and master of the Queen's music, | 0:00:25 | 0:00:28 | |
Sir Peter Maxwell Davies. | 0:00:28 | 0:00:31 | |
My name is Paul Joyce. | 0:00:33 | 0:00:35 | |
I'm a director and artist, and my experience as a young film-maker | 0:00:35 | 0:00:38 | |
was fundamentally changed when I saw Ken Russell's film The Devils. | 0:00:38 | 0:00:44 | |
Ken's images combined with Max's abrasive, yet eloquent music made these sequences a quite | 0:00:44 | 0:00:50 | |
unforgettable experience, showing me a few filmic language, literally changing my life as a director. | 0:00:50 | 0:00:57 | |
And then I wanted to hear everything that Max had written. | 0:01:00 | 0:01:03 | |
This now extends to ten operas, eight symphonies, literally hundreds of works in all. | 0:01:03 | 0:01:10 | |
He is, without doubt, one of our greatest and most prolific, classical composers. | 0:01:10 | 0:01:16 | |
As master of the Queen's music, one of the highest honours British composer can receive, | 0:01:18 | 0:01:24 | |
Max follows in a tradition which included William Boyce, | 0:01:24 | 0:01:28 | |
Edward Elgar, Arnold Bax and Arthur Bliss. | 0:01:28 | 0:01:32 | |
But the title carries no obligation. | 0:01:32 | 0:01:35 | |
Max writes what he wants when he wants to. | 0:01:35 | 0:01:38 | |
For this, I believe, he received the traditional yearly payment | 0:01:38 | 0:01:41 | |
of a sack but of sherry from the Royal household. | 0:01:41 | 0:01:44 | |
So I have come to this remote Scottish island on a personal pilgrimage | 0:01:47 | 0:01:51 | |
to meet a childhood hero who is now both an inspiration and a friend. | 0:01:51 | 0:01:56 | |
He is personally one of the kindest men I have ever met, but as a composer, he takes no captives. | 0:01:56 | 0:02:03 | |
His music can be as direct and raw as the world he has been observing | 0:02:09 | 0:02:13 | |
for over seven decades, and thank goodness he shows no signs of letting up now. | 0:02:13 | 0:02:20 | |
Do you adopt an absolute routine? | 0:03:03 | 0:03:05 | |
Are you here at nine or... | 0:03:05 | 0:03:07 | |
I'm here as soon as I can be in the morning, but of course, I spend time | 0:03:07 | 0:03:11 | |
in the kitchen preparing the day's food, and as soon as I can... | 0:03:11 | 0:03:14 | |
9.30 or so... I am also sitting here. | 0:03:14 | 0:03:16 | |
I also take the dog for her walk every day no matter what the weather at about seven. | 0:03:16 | 0:03:22 | |
-Yesterday we were talking about your beginnings and your childhood, which was I think Salford, wasn't it? -Yes. | 0:03:22 | 0:03:28 | |
It was from I suppose a working-class background, and I loved and hated | 0:03:28 | 0:03:33 | |
the place, but I particularly enjoyed Trafford Road, my grandfather's shop. | 0:03:33 | 0:03:41 | |
I didn't know at the time, but it was a venue for prostitutes, and there were brothels along there because | 0:03:41 | 0:03:48 | |
the docks were next door, and I used to evidently say to my grandparents | 0:03:48 | 0:03:54 | |
that I liked those beautiful ladies, and I remember particularly... | 0:03:54 | 0:03:59 | |
It must have been '38 or '39... | 0:03:59 | 0:04:02 | |
I was taken there to see The Gondoliers, a local | 0:04:02 | 0:04:05 | |
amateur production, and I thought this reality was rather better than the one that was everyday. | 0:04:05 | 0:04:11 | |
There was an orchestra there too, and I'd never heard a live orchestra before, | 0:04:11 | 0:04:15 | |
and that was the first big musical experience of my life, and it was... | 0:04:15 | 0:04:19 | |
I do remember I wanted to be involved with something like that. | 0:04:19 | 0:04:24 | |
I was sent to a lady called Ms Sally Jones for piano lessons when I was eight. | 0:04:24 | 0:04:31 | |
I took to this, just loved it, and I started to write music. | 0:04:31 | 0:04:34 | |
I didn't know you could buy music paper which had the five lines written out for you. | 0:04:34 | 0:04:38 | |
I drew them myself. Do you remember the first piano piece that you did? | 0:04:38 | 0:04:43 | |
I remember it started like this... | 0:04:43 | 0:04:47 | |
That's how it started. | 0:05:11 | 0:05:12 | |
I was eight years old, and I have never forgotten it. | 0:05:12 | 0:05:15 | |
So we're entering basically the war about that time, aren't we? | 0:05:23 | 0:05:27 | |
How did that affect you there? | 0:05:27 | 0:05:29 | |
I think the war affected everybody in Salford and Manchester very strongly. | 0:05:29 | 0:05:34 | |
When the bombing really got started and all of those nights just sat in the pantry | 0:05:34 | 0:05:41 | |
under the stairs with a little portable wind-up gramophone playing | 0:05:41 | 0:05:45 | |
my parent's collection of foxtrot records, which I really liked... | 0:05:45 | 0:05:50 | |
you heard the explosions and the bombs going off, | 0:05:50 | 0:05:53 | |
and one night, of course, the... | 0:05:53 | 0:05:57 | |
two houses next door were blown up. | 0:05:57 | 0:06:00 | |
A long time after the war, I wrote this piece, | 0:06:35 | 0:06:39 | |
St Thomas Wake based on a pavane of that name by John Bull, | 0:06:39 | 0:06:44 | |
the 17th century English composer, and in my mind, | 0:06:44 | 0:06:49 | |
I kept hearing this foxtrot band at the side of the orchestra, and I realised | 0:06:49 | 0:06:53 | |
the whole memory was coming back of playing foxtrots as the bombs fell. | 0:06:53 | 0:06:58 | |
UPBEAT MUSIC PLAYS | 0:07:17 | 0:07:20 | |
Music it's totally silly music, but it was part of childhood. | 0:07:24 | 0:07:29 | |
I couldn't do music for the exams. There was no teaching, | 0:07:31 | 0:07:34 | |
and the headmaster when I asked could I please do music for my | 0:07:34 | 0:07:40 | |
school certificate or O-level, he said, "This is not a girl's school". | 0:07:40 | 0:07:46 | |
When it came to school leaving age, I didn't tell him, and I just sent off to County Hall in Preston, got | 0:07:46 | 0:07:53 | |
the syllabus and entered for the exam myself, | 0:07:53 | 0:07:57 | |
and on the back of that I got a Lancashire County music scholarship, | 0:07:57 | 0:08:01 | |
and I went to Manchester University Music Department, and the first time I really met people | 0:08:01 | 0:08:09 | |
who were interested in music was when I went to the college in Manchester. | 0:08:09 | 0:08:15 | |
And that was a revelation. There were people who were really, really passionate | 0:08:15 | 0:08:21 | |
about the whole thing. | 0:08:26 | 0:08:30 | |
But, again, there was | 0:08:30 | 0:08:34 | |
no encouragement at the university itself to be interested in music. | 0:08:34 | 0:08:38 | |
This was, I found... | 0:08:38 | 0:08:40 | |
even then I found this quite astonishing. | 0:08:40 | 0:08:43 | |
At the time that you're beginning to compose and had that | 0:08:43 | 0:08:46 | |
excitement of a creative life, you must have been developing sexually as well, and at what point | 0:08:46 | 0:08:53 | |
did you become aware that you were different in that respect too? | 0:08:53 | 0:08:57 | |
I think I became aware of that when I was about 14. | 0:08:57 | 0:09:00 | |
I think I was very much helped to come to terms with this by being able to read. | 0:09:00 | 0:09:07 | |
I did find... | 0:09:07 | 0:09:09 | |
all in French, of course, the books of Andre Gide which deal with the subject | 0:09:09 | 0:09:15 | |
of being gay in a very, very positive way, and so I think they saved my sanity | 0:09:15 | 0:09:21 | |
when I was about 14, 15, and incidentally gave me a good knowledge of French too because they... | 0:09:21 | 0:09:27 | |
Oh, and what was extraordinary was that I borrowed these things from the Manchester Central Library, | 0:09:27 | 0:09:34 | |
and they didn't question my taking these French books out, but I asked, | 0:09:34 | 0:09:39 | |
"Could I borrow Ulysses by James Joyce?" | 0:09:39 | 0:09:42 | |
And they said, "No, no. Certainly not. | 0:09:42 | 0:09:44 | |
"That's not for children." | 0:09:44 | 0:09:46 | |
I think I was looked after by friends, particularly Alexander Goehr | 0:09:46 | 0:09:52 | |
was a real threat because he knew | 0:09:52 | 0:09:55 | |
more about music than they did at that Manchester University Music Department, somebody | 0:09:55 | 0:10:00 | |
who was completely conversant, completely at ease with that whole musical world, and they knew it. | 0:10:00 | 0:10:05 | |
He was wicked, and he told me this story that they went into this | 0:10:05 | 0:10:09 | |
lecture, which was a lecture on music history, and nobody turned up to give it, | 0:10:09 | 0:10:13 | |
so Sandy Goehr stood up and gave them a lecture on music history, | 0:10:13 | 0:10:18 | |
and everybody thought he was the teacher. | 0:10:18 | 0:10:22 | |
He said to his publisher in London, you know, "You should be publishing Max's music" | 0:10:22 | 0:10:29 | |
as well as mine. I thought that was marvellous of him, very generous, and indeed. | 0:10:29 | 0:10:35 | |
They did take me on, and I think in 1956 or so they actually did produce | 0:10:35 | 0:10:41 | |
my very early five piano pieces, and there they are. It's still in print. | 0:10:41 | 0:10:45 | |
They did start to do some of my very early pieces around. | 0:11:11 | 0:11:15 | |
I wrote a piece for a summer school, which I was invited to by William Glock, who ran it. | 0:11:15 | 0:11:22 | |
I went to the summer school in Germany | 0:11:22 | 0:11:27 | |
I made my connections with Italy and eventually went on | 0:11:27 | 0:11:35 | |
to study with in Rome, and it slowly started to happen then. | 0:11:35 | 0:11:42 | |
But looking back, I thought at the time, well, this must be what happens to every composer. | 0:11:42 | 0:11:48 | |
Of course, it isn't. | 0:11:48 | 0:11:49 | |
'I had to earn money when I came back from studying with Petrassi in Italy,' | 0:11:57 | 0:12:01 | |
and I decided, well, I'll give school teaching | 0:12:01 | 0:12:04 | |
a go, so I got a job at Cirencester Grammar School, and I taught music. | 0:12:04 | 0:12:08 | |
And I realised that music teaching is very often concerned with the safety | 0:12:08 | 0:12:13 | |
of the people who are teaching it. | 0:12:13 | 0:12:15 | |
They don't want their ideas to be disturbed, their pre-set ideas, | 0:12:15 | 0:12:18 | |
and so music teaching is about singing and playing music | 0:12:18 | 0:12:22 | |
which already exists. | 0:12:22 | 0:12:23 | |
Music teaching should be about creating music, and young people are perfectly capable of doing that. | 0:12:23 | 0:12:31 | |
I just expected it, and they did it. | 0:12:31 | 0:12:33 | |
If you expect something, they do it, and it was the lack of inhibition which I found so refreshing, and I | 0:12:33 | 0:12:39 | |
think without those children writing together what they called operas, which are little music theatre works | 0:12:39 | 0:12:45 | |
for performance in class, and they rehearsed them and performed them for their colleagues in class, | 0:12:45 | 0:12:50 | |
I wouldn't have had the lack of inhibition necessary to write things like Miss Donnithorne's Maggot, | 0:12:50 | 0:12:58 | |
Eight Songs For A Mad King and so on. | 0:12:58 | 0:13:01 | |
I can directly lay down the responsibility for those pieces with my watching | 0:13:01 | 0:13:07 | |
how young people collectively in a small group | 0:13:07 | 0:13:10 | |
and individually wrote and improvised their music at Cirencester. | 0:13:10 | 0:13:14 | |
'George III in his madness with... | 0:13:24 | 0:13:31 | |
I originally had the instrumentalists in cages to be the birds that he was | 0:13:31 | 0:13:36 | |
trying to teach to sing. | 0:13:37 | 0:13:38 | |
I have the little automatic organ. You turn a handle, | 0:13:38 | 0:13:45 | |
and this lovely little organ, late 18th century thing, | 0:13:45 | 0:13:47 | |
it plays eight tunes, and these are the Eight Songs For A Mad King, | 0:13:47 | 0:13:51 | |
although I didn't use them literally. | 0:13:51 | 0:13:53 | |
I used something based on the tunes which this thing plays you, | 0:13:53 | 0:13:57 | |
and there we are with the birds in the cages, | 0:13:57 | 0:14:01 | |
who are the instrumentalists, and he has a dialogue with these various instrumentalists. | 0:14:01 | 0:14:08 | |
'I wrote the Eight Songs For A Mad King very, very quickly.' | 0:14:47 | 0:14:50 | |
It was just two or three weeks, and I'd never done anything like it | 0:14:50 | 0:14:53 | |
'but I just wanted to explore that madness, if you like, | 0:14:53 | 0:15:00 | |
'and it was not, as some of the critics at the time accused me of,' | 0:15:00 | 0:15:05 | |
making fun of a mad person in the figure of George. | 0:15:05 | 0:15:09 | |
It was perhaps more a question | 0:15:09 | 0:15:12 | |
'of trying to make us aware of our own madnesses | 0:15:12 | 0:15:17 | |
'by sympathising with his.' | 0:15:17 | 0:15:19 | |
'When I first heard it in the early 80s,' | 0:15:42 | 0:15:45 | |
and I was invited to perform it in Wales, | 0:15:45 | 0:15:49 | |
and I first heard it on a recording, | 0:15:49 | 0:15:51 | |
and my immediate reaction was, "There's no way I can ever sing this piece. | 0:15:51 | 0:15:54 | |
"It's so dark." It was seen to be reaching parts of me or the singer | 0:15:54 | 0:16:01 | |
that I wasn't sure I wanted to go to. | 0:16:01 | 0:16:03 | |
I found that the way for me is to come from a dramatic impetus, | 0:16:36 | 0:16:41 | |
'and so the sounds come from that drama.' | 0:16:41 | 0:16:44 | |
Initially, I had to find a way of singing it... | 0:16:44 | 0:16:48 | |
how to do it, but then I had to find ways of, why am I doing it? | 0:16:48 | 0:16:52 | |
I quote Handel. I quote ridiculous foxtrot music, which, of course, | 0:17:11 | 0:17:15 | |
George III would not have had access to | 0:17:15 | 0:17:17 | |
but he does contribute to the crazy happenings going on in his head of which he's trying to make sense. | 0:17:17 | 0:17:24 | |
I sang it in Australia, and Max was there, and after I performed it, | 0:18:07 | 0:18:12 | |
two doctors came up to me independently, | 0:18:12 | 0:18:15 | |
and they said, "What we've seen on stage is exactly how a | 0:18:15 | 0:18:20 | |
"person in that state of mind is." | 0:18:20 | 0:18:22 | |
The ending where his doctor comes on stage, | 0:19:33 | 0:19:37 | |
and he's a percussion player, and beats him offstage | 0:19:37 | 0:19:42 | |
with a cat o' nine tails on large bass drum, | 0:19:42 | 0:19:45 | |
and he's reduced to really animal noises... | 0:19:45 | 0:19:49 | |
I still think it's a very touching moment. | 0:19:49 | 0:19:51 | |
They could not save him. | 0:19:56 | 0:19:58 | |
His mouth was never still. | 0:19:58 | 0:20:00 | |
Sometimes he howled like a dog. | 0:20:00 | 0:20:03 | |
And he veiled the mirrors not to see himself pass by, | 0:20:06 | 0:20:10 | |
for his eyes had turned to black currant jelly. | 0:20:10 | 0:20:18 | |
Poor fellow. I weep for him. | 0:20:22 | 0:20:26 | |
He will die. | 0:20:26 | 0:20:27 | |
Howl... | 0:20:27 | 0:20:30 | |
Howling...howling... | 0:20:35 | 0:20:41 | |
..howling... | 0:20:43 | 0:20:46 | |
I came to Orkney first in 1970 just as a tourist. | 0:20:50 | 0:20:52 | |
I wanted to see the cathedral. | 0:20:52 | 0:20:54 | |
I knew there that they were singing in thirds | 0:20:54 | 0:20:57 | |
in the 12th century as opposed to everywhere else that was singing | 0:20:57 | 0:21:00 | |
in fourths and fifths, and I wanted to see where this had started and also to see the stone-age monuments. | 0:21:00 | 0:21:06 | |
The next day I had planned to go to Hoy, and lo and behold, | 0:21:06 | 0:21:11 | |
there was a fellow on the boat who said, "I think I know you. | 0:21:11 | 0:21:14 | |
"You are the composer," this, that and the other. | 0:21:14 | 0:21:18 | |
He was a dealer in manuscripts. | 0:21:18 | 0:21:20 | |
And he said, "I'm going out to Hoy because one of my authors is on Hoy having a holiday." | 0:21:20 | 0:21:28 | |
That's George MacKay Brown. | 0:21:28 | 0:21:29 | |
"We're all going to have lunch together. Why don't you come along?" | 0:21:29 | 0:21:32 | |
And so I went along for lunch and met George, and we had a lot of whiskey, beer and wine. | 0:21:32 | 0:21:37 | |
It was all wonderful, and George says, | 0:21:37 | 0:21:39 | |
"Well, there's that house up the hill there which has been empty since 1918. | 0:21:39 | 0:21:44 | |
"What a marvellous site." And I thought, yes, it's a wonderful site for writing music. | 0:21:44 | 0:21:49 | |
It had the best view out of the nonexistent windows | 0:21:49 | 0:21:52 | |
and looking out through the nonexistent roof, | 0:21:52 | 0:21:55 | |
but that became a house where I lived for 28 years, in Rackwick, | 0:21:55 | 0:21:58 | |
and where I wrote all my music in those years, without exception, I think. | 0:21:58 | 0:22:03 | |
When I first came, I think the most important thing was silence. | 0:22:03 | 0:22:09 | |
It was a revelation that you could clear your ears, and it was the | 0:22:09 | 0:22:16 | |
first time in my life I'd experienced that kind of quietness. | 0:22:16 | 0:22:20 | |
Such a beautiful place, and to be alone in it | 0:22:20 | 0:22:23 | |
just with your thoughts, with the music in your head | 0:22:23 | 0:22:27 | |
and with that landscape - I loved it. | 0:22:27 | 0:22:29 | |
I think those ritual places, | 0:22:39 | 0:22:40 | |
these stone circles in Orkney... | 0:22:40 | 0:22:42 | |
Even where you see places where people lived, | 0:22:42 | 0:22:47 | |
like Maeshowe with the stone furniture from the stone age, | 0:22:47 | 0:22:51 | |
I find that very moving, and particularly a temple, | 0:22:51 | 0:22:57 | |
which, obviously, the circles were, | 0:22:57 | 0:22:59 | |
they're a very, very special, ritual holy place | 0:22:59 | 0:23:03 | |
and I feel there's a magic there. | 0:23:03 | 0:23:08 | |
I wouldn't speculate about what the rituals were, | 0:23:12 | 0:23:15 | |
but with something like the Stones Of Brodgar where the stones are slightly hollow | 0:23:15 | 0:23:20 | |
and they act as sound reflectors, you can have a good idea. | 0:23:20 | 0:23:25 | |
I'm sure music has a part in ritual through history and pre-history. | 0:23:25 | 0:23:30 | |
Cries, bangings on drums, summons to attention, shouts, chanting. | 0:23:30 | 0:23:37 | |
That must have happened. | 0:23:37 | 0:23:39 | |
I've a theory people communicated by singing first before speech. | 0:23:39 | 0:23:43 | |
So my association here was a very strong response | 0:24:31 | 0:24:37 | |
to that landscape and the seascape. | 0:24:37 | 0:24:41 | |
I think the sea has played an enormous part in my work. | 0:24:41 | 0:24:44 | |
The sound of it, then the history of it, | 0:24:44 | 0:24:46 | |
which George Mackay Brown, his work is full of that relationship of the local people and the sea. | 0:24:46 | 0:24:52 | |
It gets through, you don't have to think about it, it just gets into the music. | 0:24:52 | 0:24:57 | |
In the late 60s, a group called the Pierrot players | 0:25:17 | 0:25:21 | |
was to perform works by Harry Birtwistle and me. | 0:25:21 | 0:25:25 | |
And Harry said, the performances we're getting of our works | 0:25:25 | 0:25:31 | |
by these conductors, and there weren't many of them, | 0:25:31 | 0:25:34 | |
are so awful we couldn't do worse than conduct ourselves. | 0:25:34 | 0:25:38 | |
So we actually conducted, | 0:25:38 | 0:25:39 | |
although we had no experience as conductors whatever. | 0:25:39 | 0:25:42 | |
And with that group I found myself, | 0:25:42 | 0:25:46 | |
when it was called the Fires Of London, going all over the world, | 0:25:46 | 0:25:50 | |
'and Ken Russell must have heard the group or have liked a piece of mine | 0:25:50 | 0:25:57 | |
'and he wanted me to write music for his film, The Devils. | 0:25:57 | 0:26:03 | |
'Particularly with the last part of that film where Grandier is burnt alive at the stake,' | 0:26:09 | 0:26:15 | |
I think the musicians themselves | 0:26:15 | 0:26:19 | |
were much more affected by the music | 0:26:19 | 0:26:23 | |
'and its relation to the images on screen. | 0:26:23 | 0:26:27 | |
'When we saw it in black and white, not in colour | 0:26:27 | 0:26:32 | |
'with just the music, | 0:26:32 | 0:26:35 | |
'and these rather grainy images,' | 0:26:35 | 0:26:38 | |
it was much more affecting | 0:26:38 | 0:26:42 | |
than when words were added in rather polite English accents. | 0:26:42 | 0:26:48 | |
Because one had this extraordinary almost dumb show where language, | 0:26:48 | 0:26:56 | |
the spoken word didn't appear at all. | 0:26:56 | 0:26:59 | |
And I learnt a lot from that, about opera. | 0:26:59 | 0:27:02 | |
I find this landscape of course totally different and the reason | 0:27:14 | 0:27:19 | |
I left Hoy was, I thought you getting old now and there I had to walk about | 0:27:19 | 0:27:26 | |
a mile uphill to the house from the nearest point you could get a car. | 0:27:26 | 0:27:30 | |
Here you can get a car right to the house. What a luxury! | 0:27:30 | 0:27:35 | |
You can go to a shop here quite easily, | 0:27:35 | 0:27:37 | |
it's about a six or seven minute drive away. | 0:27:37 | 0:27:41 | |
On Hoy, that wasn't possible. | 0:27:41 | 0:27:43 | |
Anyway you've been here for 28 years, how about a change? | 0:27:43 | 0:27:48 | |
And I decided this was a totally magic place which I still believe it is. | 0:27:48 | 0:27:55 | |
It has a very special atmosphere here. | 0:27:55 | 0:27:57 | |
And I fell in love with the place and here I am, | 0:27:57 | 0:28:01 | |
and I've been writing music here now it must be nearly ten years. | 0:28:01 | 0:28:04 | |
I think music does unlock something which no other art-form does. | 0:28:25 | 0:28:30 | |
It makes time recognisable. | 0:28:30 | 0:28:34 | |
And I think a time that exists inside a work of music | 0:28:35 | 0:28:41 | |
is a much more real time because it has whole depths. | 0:28:41 | 0:28:45 | |
It has perspectives, vanishing points like architectural perspective. | 0:28:45 | 0:28:50 | |
There is an unfolding flow, of the eloquent discourse, | 0:28:53 | 0:28:58 | |
which could only take place in time that's entirely abstract. | 0:28:58 | 0:29:03 | |
You challenge people yet you hope they have a good time. | 0:29:08 | 0:29:11 | |
You have to challenge them, take their intellect further, | 0:29:11 | 0:29:14 | |
their emotional responses further, their musicality further. | 0:29:14 | 0:29:18 | |
And music in the last three centuries I think has reflected | 0:29:18 | 0:29:24 | |
many, many more aspects of life than could possibly have done | 0:29:24 | 0:29:28 | |
with the vocabulary which was available to composers before that. | 0:29:28 | 0:29:32 | |
And when you've done a big piece sometimes it's wonderful to relax | 0:30:24 | 0:30:30 | |
and have a good time. | 0:30:30 | 0:30:32 | |
I did an arrangement of Fantasia And Two Pavans by Purcell. | 0:30:50 | 0:30:56 | |
And I turned one of these pavans into a foxtrot. | 0:30:56 | 0:31:01 | |
It changes as if the speed starts to drop so you have to rush | 0:31:07 | 0:31:12 | |
to the gramophone and wind it up again in the middle. | 0:31:12 | 0:31:15 | |
And it finishes with the percussionist imitating | 0:31:41 | 0:31:44 | |
exactly that scraping sound on a side drum with wire brushes. | 0:31:44 | 0:31:48 | |
It reminds me of Mavis. | 0:31:57 | 0:31:58 | |
Yes. | 0:31:58 | 0:32:00 | |
And there's a little story attached to that, isn't there? | 0:32:00 | 0:32:03 | |
Yes, that was at this piece I wrote for the BBC Phil, | 0:32:03 | 0:32:07 | |
a little present after we'd done a tour of the United States. | 0:32:07 | 0:32:10 | |
And we played in Las Vegas. | 0:32:10 | 0:32:12 | |
And we stayed in this pink Flamingo Hilton I think it was called. | 0:32:15 | 0:32:19 | |
And I had this arrangement that a phone call was coming through | 0:32:19 | 0:32:23 | |
from the Independent in London. | 0:32:23 | 0:32:25 | |
The journalist had telephoned the hotel and asked for me | 0:32:25 | 0:32:29 | |
and the receptionist said, | 0:32:29 | 0:32:31 | |
"No, there's nobody of that name staying here, you must have it wrong." | 0:32:31 | 0:32:35 | |
So the fellow said "He's a very important conductor | 0:32:35 | 0:32:41 | |
"and composer and I've got him down as staying at that hotel." | 0:32:41 | 0:32:45 | |
The receptionist said, "If he's that important, he wouldn't be staying at this hotel, would he?" | 0:32:45 | 0:32:50 | |
And it turned out they got me down because the computer couldn't | 0:32:50 | 0:32:55 | |
cope with my long name, Sir Peter Maxwell Davies. | 0:32:55 | 0:32:59 | |
It had got me down as Mavis. | 0:32:59 | 0:33:01 | |
All these pieces from Farewell To Stromness right through | 0:33:24 | 0:33:28 | |
to the symphonies and quartets are part of the same imagination. | 0:33:28 | 0:33:32 | |
I can hear all of the connections | 0:33:32 | 0:33:34 | |
'and I have no trouble going from one to the other. | 0:33:34 | 0:33:36 | |
'Farewell To Stromness, which a lot of people play these days, | 0:33:36 | 0:33:40 | |
'that was written as part of a part of a political protest, | 0:33:40 | 0:33:44 | |
'against a proposed mining of uranium in Orkney.' | 0:33:44 | 0:33:48 | |
They were going to sink the core of the mine just two miles outside Stromness. | 0:33:49 | 0:33:53 | |
That would have been the end of this beautiful little town. | 0:33:53 | 0:33:56 | |
It would have been the end of agriculture and fishing, | 0:33:56 | 0:33:59 | |
who wants to eat anything which comes from somewhere which is radioactive in that sense | 0:33:59 | 0:34:05 | |
with the yellow cake being blown all over in the gales, | 0:34:05 | 0:34:09 | |
which of course happens here, you have huge gales. | 0:34:09 | 0:34:12 | |
So, it was a big protest, | 0:34:12 | 0:34:14 | |
it would have been the end of the islands as we know them. | 0:34:14 | 0:34:16 | |
And that was just a little piano interlude, Farewell To Stromness. | 0:34:16 | 0:34:21 | |
It would have been farewell and I wrote it off the top of my head. | 0:34:21 | 0:34:25 | |
After all, I wrote Eight Songs For A Mad King, didn't I? | 0:38:01 | 0:38:05 | |
And I'm not known to be particularly a supporter of royalty. | 0:38:05 | 0:38:09 | |
I do remember very well the first time I met her, | 0:38:09 | 0:38:12 | |
upon being appointed Master of the Queen's Music. | 0:38:12 | 0:38:15 | |
I went into Buckingham Palace | 0:38:15 | 0:38:17 | |
and a door opened and she welcomed me and, at that moment, I gather, I was Master of the Queen's Music. | 0:38:17 | 0:38:23 | |
That was the official point. And we sat down and discussed the possibilities. | 0:38:23 | 0:38:28 | |
And she asked me what I wanted to make of it. | 0:38:28 | 0:38:32 | |
And I asked her what she would like of it. | 0:38:32 | 0:38:35 | |
She said, well, Prince Philip and she would like to be guided on this | 0:38:35 | 0:38:40 | |
and they were very willing to listen. | 0:38:40 | 0:38:43 | |
And I thought that was very good. | 0:38:43 | 0:38:45 | |
The thing that impressed me most was I had taken in, | 0:38:45 | 0:38:48 | |
and I hadn't forewarned anybody about this, | 0:38:48 | 0:38:51 | |
a recording for Westminster Cathedral, the Catholic cathedral. | 0:38:51 | 0:38:56 | |
I handed this over and said, "I hope you might have time to listen to a track." | 0:38:56 | 0:39:01 | |
She said, "Oh, Westminster Cathedral, could you tell me | 0:39:01 | 0:39:05 | |
"why they sound so different than the other choirs at St Paul's and Westminster Abbey?" | 0:39:05 | 0:39:11 | |
So I told her about the continental way of voice production | 0:39:11 | 0:39:14 | |
and using the whole body | 0:39:14 | 0:39:15 | |
and it gives, in the boys, this totally different, what we call the continental sound. | 0:39:15 | 0:39:19 | |
And she said, "Thank you for telling me that, I had no idea." | 0:39:19 | 0:39:24 | |
And she had noticed that entirely herself | 0:39:24 | 0:39:28 | |
and I thought, "I am dealing with a very serious person here and you had better watch it, | 0:39:28 | 0:39:32 | |
"because she is not a lady who is going to miss a trick." | 0:39:32 | 0:39:36 | |
I don't know whether art is useful or not, | 0:39:47 | 0:39:49 | |
but I do know that it's necessary, that without it, we are not civilised. | 0:39:49 | 0:39:53 | |
Perhaps, often, with it, we remain relatively uncivilised. | 0:39:53 | 0:39:56 | |
But, it does open up possibilities of civilising the human mind. | 0:40:08 | 0:40:12 | |
'I have often said that writing a string quartet is like dancing naked in public. | 0:40:32 | 0:40:36 | |
'You can't have any flaws at all. It's totally exposed. | 0:40:36 | 0:40:40 | |
'Your thought has to be absolutely clear and pristine.' | 0:40:40 | 0:40:43 | |
And that is why I wanted the challenge of writing quartets. | 0:40:43 | 0:40:48 | |
And then, at last, came the opportunity to write not one quartet but ten, for Naxos Records. | 0:40:48 | 0:40:54 | |
The weight of each one was very important, | 0:41:07 | 0:41:11 | |
for instance, the Third Quartet, | 0:41:11 | 0:41:14 | |
where I absolutely exploded with rage. | 0:41:14 | 0:41:17 | |
It shattered any preconceived images musically I had for that piece | 0:41:17 | 0:41:22 | |
because of the invasion of Iraq, | 0:41:22 | 0:41:24 | |
which I just saw as a betrayal, totally scandalous and illegal. | 0:41:24 | 0:41:28 | |
That's faster than I wrote it. | 0:41:50 | 0:41:53 | |
-But isn't it the tempo? -Yes. | 0:41:53 | 0:41:55 | |
-Is that OK? -That's lovely. -Good. | 0:41:57 | 0:41:59 | |
Cos that's what we're worried about, that if we take it this speed, | 0:41:59 | 0:42:02 | |
it feels the whole time it's very tight from moment to moment. | 0:42:02 | 0:42:06 | |
Yes. | 0:42:06 | 0:42:07 | |
-You know these, as it were, pillars between the motions? -Yeah. | 0:42:07 | 0:42:10 | |
These things. | 0:42:10 | 0:42:11 | |
I wonder if you can actually show us that this is a pillar in your physical attitude. | 0:42:11 | 0:42:17 | |
As opposed to it being an arrival? | 0:42:17 | 0:42:19 | |
Yes, it's a static point. | 0:42:19 | 0:42:21 | |
In which case, would you mind if we didn't rush on them too much? | 0:42:21 | 0:42:24 | |
Exactly. | 0:42:24 | 0:42:26 | |
-Presumably bar one's a pillar, too. -Yes. | 0:42:26 | 0:42:28 | |
The flying skirts are coming out at the end. | 0:42:28 | 0:42:31 | |
You know that's one of the silliest bits of violin writing ever written. | 0:42:31 | 0:42:34 | |
Absolutely. Yes. | 0:42:34 | 0:42:35 | |
It is crackers, I'm afraid. | 0:42:35 | 0:42:38 | |
Yes, who wrote this?! | 0:42:38 | 0:42:40 | |
I don't know. Ought to be certified. | 0:42:40 | 0:42:42 | |
The Maggini Quartet were interested in at least premiering the first one, maybe two. | 0:42:45 | 0:42:50 | |
Well, they did the lot and did a wonderful job | 0:42:50 | 0:42:53 | |
and they made the recordings. | 0:42:53 | 0:42:55 | |
In a way, initially, retreating from the hurly burly of the South of England, | 0:47:23 | 0:47:27 | |
particularly of London, | 0:47:27 | 0:47:29 | |
was a very positive step but it was no ivory-tower existence | 0:47:29 | 0:47:33 | |
because there was I touring all over the world with the group, | 0:47:33 | 0:47:36 | |
the Fires of London, | 0:47:36 | 0:47:38 | |
going to performances increasingly all over the world with my work, | 0:47:38 | 0:47:42 | |
so there were all those outside commitments which prevented me | 0:47:42 | 0:47:46 | |
from becoming in any way a recluse. | 0:47:46 | 0:47:49 | |
Well, good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen! | 0:47:52 | 0:47:55 | |
And I think that we so far rehearsed very well | 0:47:55 | 0:48:00 | |
so let's just very quickly go through things. | 0:48:00 | 0:48:03 | |
Save it for tonight, do save it. | 0:48:03 | 0:48:05 | |
Don't blast away everything in the rehearsal. | 0:48:05 | 0:48:09 | |
CROWD CHATTER | 0:48:09 | 0:48:10 | |
Concerto? Fine. | 0:48:10 | 0:48:12 | |
So somebody should inform the soloist. | 0:48:15 | 0:48:19 | |
'It's fascinating, not just to play contemporary music | 0:48:56 | 0:49:00 | |
'but to work on contemporary music with living composers. | 0:49:00 | 0:49:04 | |
'It's always fascinated me because I like to know what's going on in their head | 0:49:04 | 0:49:11 | |
'and what the exchange is, how much flexibility does one have | 0:49:11 | 0:49:15 | |
'and that varies greatly from composer to composer.' | 0:49:15 | 0:49:18 | |
No, that triplet at 86... | 0:49:18 | 0:49:21 | |
The triplet at 86, | 0:49:21 | 0:49:23 | |
# Da da da pa pam # | 0:49:23 | 0:49:25 | |
I was finding I had to wait. | 0:49:25 | 0:49:27 | |
"Oh, my goodness. That'll be difficult!" | 0:49:27 | 0:49:30 | |
That's the first reaction that you look at when you just see the notes on the page | 0:49:30 | 0:49:34 | |
and in fact it was a written manuscript | 0:49:34 | 0:49:38 | |
so, you know, it was daunting | 0:49:38 | 0:49:40 | |
and then you sit down and you take time and you take a deep breath | 0:49:40 | 0:49:44 | |
and you start to really read what's there | 0:49:44 | 0:49:46 | |
and I thought, "Ah! Interesting. Yes". | 0:49:46 | 0:49:49 | |
So then you get the fiddle out or I did in any case | 0:49:49 | 0:49:51 | |
and started going through and seeing what would be the difficulties, | 0:49:51 | 0:49:55 | |
you know, where were the moments in the piece that would be the most challenging for me. | 0:49:55 | 0:50:01 | |
Yes, I did give him quite a lot of technical challenges | 0:50:01 | 0:50:04 | |
and I gave them to myself, let's be fair, writing this piece. | 0:50:04 | 0:50:07 | |
I did things here that I'd not worked out before | 0:50:07 | 0:50:09 | |
and they're quite fresh and new, especially for and in this piece. | 0:50:09 | 0:50:14 | |
The moment I look forward immensely to, | 0:51:13 | 0:51:17 | |
you've had these climaxes and this very dramatic melody. | 0:51:17 | 0:51:19 | |
Then the double basses hold this long note | 0:51:19 | 0:51:23 | |
and then I have, sort of, this, this chance to really put all the feeling | 0:51:23 | 0:51:29 | |
that has been, kind of, gathering up in the piece | 0:51:29 | 0:51:32 | |
into these next three or four minutes, | 0:51:32 | 0:51:34 | |
which are simple but extremely touching. | 0:51:34 | 0:51:37 | |
To what detail did Max go in relation to having time with a fiddler | 0:52:16 | 0:52:22 | |
on the shore near where he lives? | 0:52:22 | 0:52:24 | |
Oh, I just took a walk. | 0:52:24 | 0:52:25 | |
With that walk, I had the idea of the piece. | 0:52:25 | 0:52:28 | |
It was just instantly there. | 0:52:28 | 0:52:31 | |
I had to work it all out but I knew I had a good idea | 0:52:31 | 0:52:33 | |
and that was going to be the basis of the piece. | 0:52:33 | 0:52:36 | |
I've never really had much personal ambition. | 0:53:32 | 0:53:36 | |
Right from the start, I took it for granted | 0:53:36 | 0:53:39 | |
that this is what a composer did - | 0:53:39 | 0:53:42 | |
that you have struggles, you have performances, | 0:53:42 | 0:53:45 | |
you find publishers, your performances increase, | 0:53:45 | 0:53:48 | |
you probably have to play the piano in your pieces, | 0:53:48 | 0:53:50 | |
you probably have to conduct your pieces, | 0:53:50 | 0:53:53 | |
the things that all the composers in the past have had to do. | 0:53:53 | 0:53:56 | |
And that is indeed what has happened | 0:53:56 | 0:53:59 | |
but you think back and you think, | 0:53:59 | 0:54:02 | |
"Well, it could not have been necessarily like that at all!" | 0:54:02 | 0:54:06 | |
People might not have wanted to play your work. | 0:54:06 | 0:54:09 | |
Nobody would possibly, if it had been just a bit different, wanted to publish it | 0:54:09 | 0:54:15 | |
and you would've got nowhere and you would've had to do another job. | 0:54:15 | 0:54:20 | |
I know that when I was very young, | 0:54:20 | 0:54:23 | |
my Uncle Arthur offered me very seriously | 0:54:23 | 0:54:28 | |
a job as a bricklayer. | 0:54:28 | 0:54:31 | |
And he was very annoyed with my parents for letting me take up my scholarship to go to study music. | 0:54:31 | 0:54:37 | |
He said, "I'm paying taxes for your boy to go and study this rubbish". | 0:54:37 | 0:54:41 | |
"He can come and do an honest job with me and be a bricklayer". | 0:54:41 | 0:54:44 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:54:45 | 0:54:48 | |
Personal ambition - I don't think I ever thought about that. | 0:54:58 | 0:55:01 | |
I didn't want to conduct orchestras. I didn't want to be famous - not interested. | 0:55:01 | 0:55:05 | |
I wanted to enjoy to the full a musical life | 0:55:05 | 0:55:09 | |
and I must admit, I have done that so far | 0:55:09 | 0:55:13 | |
and I intend to go on doing it. | 0:55:13 | 0:55:15 | |
What are the things that you still want to achieve? | 0:55:50 | 0:55:53 | |
What do I want to achieve? | 0:55:53 | 0:55:55 | |
I think the first thing is once to write a piece of music that I | 0:55:55 | 0:55:59 | |
feel really satisfied with. | 0:55:59 | 0:56:01 | |
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