Pearl Jam Twenty

This programme includes strong With Mother Love Bone you had some

success, a bit of a tragedy there. Right. And what made you decide not

to continue with Mother Love Bone and to form something totally

different? Cos it was old at that time and we wanna do something new,

so, this is what we're doing now. New and fresh. And then they saw me

in a bra and that was it. And then they said, "We've gotta have him."

That was before his front tooth got # Three nights and days, I sail the

sea. # We interrupt this program to give you a bulletin. Keep this

frequency clear. # I believe, I believe.

# I have a weather report for you, people. And, it's not a good one.

KCMU. Rocket Report. What is it that drives thousands of young

angelic faced boys in our calm, tree-lined suburbs to spend their

allowances on Marshall amplifiers? Why is this happening? Truth be

told there's always been a great scene in Seattle. If you want some

crisp, aggressive and emotional rock and roll then get on down to

the Off Ramp on Friday, July 5th. Ah, wee ha! You haven't seen

anything yet. Lock that. For lock's sake. Lock off. My name is Cameron

Crowe and I was a rock journalist My name is Cameron Crowe and no was

a rock journalist when I first moved to Seattle in the mid- 1980s.

I became aware of a scene of musicians that work together to

create their own world of influence and bans and community. I

immediately realised how much this was different from the places I

grew up in and the music I listen to in southern California. This was

music that came from guys who stayed indoors a lot, had a lot of

time to play and a lot of time to listen. And they listened to

everything. All of it brought together into this majestic mix of

We would go and see these guys. And these guys would come and see us.

Two guys I met early on were stoned Ossard and Jeff Eamonn, who had

been in a well-known local ban, Green River, and had an obvious

bond that drew a lot of people to them. On any given night it was not

hard to run into them going out to listen to live music. Stick with me,

my child. Those people over there, police officers. How are you doing?

This is not MTV, but it very well could be at any time. Sarcastic

police officers, excellent. We are supposed in tonight, but so far

nobody has showed up. We finally got into the show. We were outside

for a long time but we got these things, backstage passes. How come

you did not come and give me my pass? We were outside for a long

time. This is my witness. When I first met him, could not imagine

hanging out with him. I was introduced to him and within 30

seconds I think he wanted to punch me. I had recently been introduced

to the exciting world of sarcasm, and for me it was the greatest joy

anyone could have. Out here, rock people of all sorts. We had a bit

of a chip on our shoulder. We always felt that if it came from

New York, and Chicago, Minneapolis or Athens, it was probably better.

But there was also this attitude of, somehow we will persevere. It was

very different from Los Angeles and New York. There were tens of groups

in Seattle, but they all knew each other and everybody was talking

about the new band, Mother Love Bone, and their amazing,

charismatic frontman. His name was Andy. -- and D Wood. Want the world

to know that Mother Love Bone is coming to take over the world, a

plethora of delights. A fruit salad Said I've been around the world,

wrote a million songs. # It's all a bore to me. #

He was a fantastic entertainer. People loved him. I mean, people

loved to see him do his thing. # And I've lied to the dogs. It

never... He was very funny. He would do

something like go to the Central Tavern when there was 25 people

there. He'd play it like it was a Coliseum. "To all you people in the

back". And there's like, two, there's the guy at the door.

# But with my crystal sheen guitar. He was a rock star. He knew it, and

something about that, I'll speak for everyone, made us believe that

we were too. # Yeah, yeah.

I wanna get on an arena tour with some band, who cares? Warrant for

that matter. What the hell, go on tour with Warrant, just so we could

play arenas. That's the kind of crowd I like. Those are easy crowds.

Oh, you can say anything, you can say, "Your mother smells bad,

people," and they'll just go "Yeah, Yeah". There's certain people you

just know that you love and you'll do anything for them. You just

wanted him to be a rock star. You just saw it and were like, "I'm on

your team. I want to be anywhere near you." We're going down to LA

on Monday to record an album. # I'm trippin' on it now.

# It brings me home again. #Oh, oh, oh, oh, yeah. #

Do you think you're the band of the nineties? Do you think you're going

to be one of the forerunners? think so. I hope so. I mean, I

thought I always would be involved in the band of the nineties, so if

we're not the band of the nineties I'm gonna fire my band and get a

new one. Then they'll be the band of the nineties. Cos you know what

was weird. I was listening to the bottom end of all the songs, cos I

was kind of worried about Stardog, you know, and the bottom end of it,

and to me... The first guy that I called to see if he wanted to be my

roommate was Stone Gossard. He was living at home, I think, and he

answered the phone and he's like, "Yeah, no, I'm good. Um, I don't

really wanna. I don't really wanna change my living situation right

now." And he was at home so I thought that was a little weird.

But I thought, "Whatever, that's great". Um, and he said, "But Andy

just got out of rehab, and he might need a place". And I thought, "Well,

that'd be cool". I didn't really know him but I thought, "Well, that

would be interesting. He seems like an interesting guy, it would be

cool". I called Andy up and he's like, "Sure, I'm coming over."

Chris and Andy had a very deep relationship. I know that both of

them had four-tracks set up in their bedrooms, and they would each

try to record a song a day, and play it for the other guy. He just

had a freedom. He didn't edit anything that he did, anything that

he wrote, he didn't care. He just charged through the creative

process without a care in the world, and I was the opposite,

overanalyzing. And it was just a really exciting, creative time.

Thank you so much. As long as I've known the guy there's always been

different times where he wasn't comfortable with himself, and his

using drugs was a product of that too. If you know any addicts you

know that, you know, just because they quit for three months, doesn't

mean shit. And he was someone who definitely had a certain tragic

flaw. That's where his greatness came from. We knew that he was

trying to be sober. We knew that he was really, that he couldn't just

sustain, you know. You can't, you can't really be a junkie and be

super productive and like, I mean, maybe somebody can but he wasn't

going to be able to do it. That morning like, March 19th, 1990,

there was like, five messages from Xana, Andy's girlfriend at the time,

saying, you know, just hysterical. # Summer nights and long, warm days.

We all got in a taxi and went up to Harborview and he was on life

support at that point and it was a locking trip, man. I mean, it was

like the worst, most horrible, ah... It was confusing you know, it was

like, Andy OD'd and he's not dead but he's not gonna live, but he's

not dead. And you gotta come now. Whenever people would start to get

into drugs after that I'd always... I always thought like, I wish I had

a picture of Andy when he was in the hospital cos it, it was, it was

so horrible. He was kept alive for a couple of days and, I think,

mostly just so just family and friends could say goodbye or

whatever but it was... It was horrible. It's... It's difficult to

articulate it but, um, it's... You know, up to that point, I think,

life was really good for us as a... As a, just a group of musicians and

a scene making music. Um, it just... You know, the world was sort of our

oyster and we had support and we supported each other, and he was

kind of like this beam of light sort of above it all. And to see

him hooked up to machines, um... It... That was the, I think the

death of the innocence of the scene. It wasn't later when people

surmised that Kurt blowing his head off was the end of the innocence.

It was that. It was walking into that room.

# And I'm lost behind the words I'll never find.

And I'm left... So at this point I think everyone

really wants to take a break, for one, and just kind of let things

happen naturally to a certain extent to see where we wanna go

with it. You know, we're not in any huge rush to be rock stars at this

point. Andy's attitudes and personality were such an integral

part of Mother Love Bone that, ah, you know, you wouldn't be able to

replace him. It's just not in our minds. At least, it just...

Fiddle with the... You just lost all sound? Check. Hello, hello,

hello. In some ways, I was just thinking about this in the last

couple of days, that I can relate to the Clippers and the Nets.

Because I've kind of, I feel like my musical career has kind of been

that way, in that every time that it seems like it's starting to take

off, somebody goes down with an injury, coach gets fired, or

something happens. I remember Jeff saying, "Maybe I'm not supposed to

be doing this, you know. That was my shot and it's gone". I think if

my dad and I hadn't had such a contentious relationship at that

point, I probably would have left Seattle. I never felt like giving

up. No, I think I was writing songs days later, probably. You know,

playing my guitar and still just going, "I love playing my guitar".

I ended up playing with a really good friend of mine in town named

Mike McCready. We got together and we started playing in his parent's

attic. That's when I had the conversation. "We've got to get

Jeff Ament in the band". Jeff was playing with some other folks and I

think having a good time doing that. And my first instinct was like, "I

don't know". I remember him just saying, "Lock Jeff Ament". Or

something like that and I was kind of shocked. I was like, "Dude,

that's your guy. You've been with I was shocked. I was like, you have

been with him forever. He was like, no, you have to. And I was like, OK.

And then I was like, yes. We did a demo quickly after that with

Cameron. I was like, what are you doing with it? They said, we are

trying to get a singer. I was working at a job and making music

in my spare time. His instrumental tape migrated to me and started

bringing out emotions I had not touched on in a time. This natural

thing came out and all I did was record. I surfed one morning after

work and went unrecorded literally with the sand in my feet. I sent it

off that day. # Reach out to me

# I won't be home. # this is where his apartment was.

This is the place where I came over after he called me and said, I have

got this demo. I got this demo back from Eddie, and you should come

over and check it out. It is good. It was a voice on a tape that blew

my mind. It was kind of, who is this? Is this real? I remember

thinking, is this a real guy? Who I remember thinking about his voice.

I heard a real person in there. It was not a person trying to sound

like another person. I heard a guy. And there is my phone number on it.

I will call the number later in see if I can find a younger you. Tell

him to be careful. Hold on. Hi, I am Eddie Vedder. In Seattle,

I feel like I am kind of the new kid. I will be for a while. We flew

head up and hang out for a week and work on these songs in the basement

of Galleria Potatohead. It is nice to walk in that room and smell or

materials. There is a feeling of creativity. You hear your footsteps

as you go down into this basement. You just going and light it up.

remember her before he got on the plane, he said, when I get there, I

want you to go straight to the practice studio. The music sprouted

write off the bat. It was heartfelt and deep. We spent five days

rehearsing and on the sixth day, we played a show. It was in saying

that we were playing a show after being together for five or six days.

# Son, she said, have I got a little story for you.

# What you thought was your daddy was nothing but a... While you were

sitting home alone at age 13. # Your real daddy was dying.

# Sorry you didn't see him, but I'm glad we talked. Let's talk about

the hidden Eddie Vedder. Where was he? At he was terrified.

# I'm still a live there. It was hard for me at the beginning,

coming up and being part of a different place. It was not just a

neutral zone, it was there a lot -- He was coming from a different

place that I did not fully understand. I felt like, he is good.

And once I met him and saw how personable he was an excited and,

you know, we sent him music and two weeks later, we had music back. And

it was not Mother Love Bone. We got a few tapes, and they had all been

like tribute things. It took me years to understand Eddie. My dad,

he passed away before I knew he was my dad. So I grew up with this dad

and then I found out that he was not my dad, and the guy that was my

dad had already passed a few years earlier.

There are only two chords to this song. It will probably be really

boring on acoustic. Looking back, I realised that we all got together

in that room in that time, and I was still thinking about stuff with

my dad and loss and all that. And they were thinking about having

been through with the situation with Andy, so in ways, we were

strangers, but we were coming from a similar place. And all of that

kind of came out in the first batch Release was kind of a droned jam

that we were messing around with in the basement the first week that Ed

came up. It was one of those songs that he just started singing and

these words came out of him. # Oh, dear Dad.

# Can you see me now? # I am myself.

# Liked you, somehow. # I will ride the wave it.

# Where it takes me. # I will hold the pain.

# Release me. I remember the first time we played that song, right at

the end of it, he sort of ran away around the corner. I was thinking

about my dad at, and afterwards it got me all tore up. I went into the

little hallway, and then Jeff came out and said, are you OK?

# Oh, dear John. So this one here is my dad or. I

met him a few times. But he was just like a friend of the family.

Edward Louis Severson. When I was born, that was my name. So he is

kind of up there for me somewhere. # Release me.

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# I am, Reach Down. # And pick the crowd up.

# And carried back in my hand. # To the promised land.

And the camaraderie and the healthy competition part, I found later,

was unusual. Johnny Ramones pointed that out to me later, talking about

the friendship he saw between Pearl Jam and some garden, and saying, I

have never seen that before. New York was not like that. We would

school each other up. The best thing about it is, I think that you

learn from each other and you are inspired by each other. For me,

Temple of the Dog Grout of that. After Andy past, Chris judge wrote

these songs. We were going to recorded with the surviving members

of Mother Love Bone. # I don't mind stealing bread from

the mouths of decadence. # But I can't feed on the powerless

when my cup's already overfilled. # Yeah.

It was a fun record that nobody had any expectations for, and that made

it feel very fresh. For him, to write songs and have the idea of

sharing those songs with Jeff and I was like another generous gesture

that said, I will not only help you guys with this record, but I will

even ask your new singer, who is just the age shy Di and I have not

heard his voice yet, but I saw you guys and maybe he can sing.

# I don't mind stealing bread from the mouths of decadence. And then

you hear it and go, well away. Our guy sings really good, too.

# I can't feed off the powerless when my cup's already overfilled.

Eddie was very shy at the beginning. He was self-conscious. He was not

fully comfortable, until we went out one night.

# And it is all on the table. # Their mouths are choking.

# But I'm going hungry. He really embraced Eddie when he first moved

up here. Sometimes I wonder if that was a void that he felt from Andy's

passing. Having another equally talented singer that he could

bounce ideas off or relate to. I know Eddie felt a real mentor

should, and I think that gave him confidence.

# I'm going hungry. It was the first time I heard

myself on a real record, so it could be one of my favourite songs

that I have ever been on, or the most meaningful.

# I don't mind stealing bread. Where is Stone Gossard when we need

him? Where is he? Oh, my God. went to Vancouver to open for Alice

in Chains. Played at this place called The Town Pump. During the

song Breath, security was taking out some drunk guy. Watchet, you

guys. They just took him out. were being overly aggressive. And

Ed noticed that. And you could just see this change come over him.

This guy that had been shy, that people did not really know, all of

a sudden his voice changes, his attitude changes, he just got

They are known as Mookie Blaylock, but not any more. We had some legal

problems. The name was taken by this guy named Mookie Blaylock!

Mookie Blaylock and Michael Jordan. They played yesterday. The Bulls

won. He knows we are changing the name. So the new name is Pearl Jam.

We will not cultivate anything today.

# Why go home? Why go home? # She seems to be stronger, but

what they want is for her to be weak.

# She could just pretend. # She could join in the game.

# She could be another clone. you guys have a lot of other stuff

going on almost as we speak? Yeah, we are going to the city tomorrow

to make our first album. I was selling merchandise at the

time, and you can only just take so much stuff into Canada. Everything

we brought, a broad based on what we have been selling until then.

That night, before the opening band had even finished, I had sold out

of everything we brought across. I had nothing to do for the rest of

the night, so I grabbed my camera and film to the show. Things were

taking off. # Why go home? Why go home?

This is our CD. You can barely see this. I hate holding a CD. I want

to hold up an album. # Why go home? Why go home? Why go

The band was doing 10 times as well as I never thought we would, get

him to play shows almost every day. The band's chemistry seems really

good right now. Yeah, very much a family. Being on the road, touring,

what is the strangest thing that has happened to you? I would like

to thank the Smashing Pumpkins for letting me borrow the wardrobe.

looks better than you do! We showed up in Zurich, Switzerland, and the

venue was almost like an art house. The stage was as big as our drum

riser. We were, what are we going to do? We were ready to change

something up and we asked the locals to give us the acoustic

instruments and we could do an acoustic set. We had never done

And then it was the next day, and somebody asked if we could do MTV

Unplugged. We said, yeah, we could # I know some day you'll have a

beautiful life # I know some day you'll be a star

in somebody else's Sky. # It's the true story, something I

really felt, and I still feel every A lot of your songs are on the dark

side. Is there any reason for that, is it mostly what you see?

emotions. I should be really happy right now. I get to play shows and

it has been amazing. But my emotions are like a quarter flicked

in the air, black-and-white, good and bad, constantly. Maybe by

talking about things that may be darker, more on the negative side

of our existence, by dealing with them, maybe that is where I find my

happiness. # We belong together

# Together # We belong

Unperturbed NTV said they thought that was one of the best. Is it

nice to get that kind of response, especially when it is stripped

down? I don't trust nobody, especially when they say something

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good. If I even see you having fun, They played at three in the

afternoon, the second group. But the frenzy during their set got

more and more extreme as the tour went on.

It was a whirlwind. We went from little clubs to bigger clubs, and

then everything blew up. I remember not being able to sleep for entire

nights after the show because you were so buzzed. I found out years

later that if I today Bath, that would put me to sleep. -- if I took

Is it like, you were just walking down the street one day and all of

a sudden you feel you are getting a lot more exposure by a lot more

people coming up to you? When would you start noticing that all of a

sudden, you know, millions of people are like, yeah, exactly?

try not to think about that as much as we can. We try not to think

about that as much as we can. Think about that sentence, America. Think

about it. Back with Eddie and Mike of the band Pearl Jam. The album is

called 10. Why is that? It is back to Mookie Blaylock, total

dedication to him. We are about to blow your video for Alive. Did you

like making the video? We did not make a video. There is no way with

a song like that, which talks about living for the moment, that we

would lips sink something we had recorded months ago. I wonder what

we will do for another video, because we only want to do live.

You cannot see ourselves making some sort of conceptual video, or

# At home, pictures of mountain tops

# With him on top # Lemon yellows San. #

I have no problem with the idea of a concert video at all. It is like

giving up some control this time and seeing how it works. That song

was part of the second wave of songs that we wrote with Ed. I

still did not understand songwriting at that point. That

whole song is pretty much in the cord of a. There are no chord

changes in the song. It goes against the rules of how to write a

pop song. He had been reading a newspaper when we were starting to

jam on the song and he wrote the entire lyrics of the newspaper

article. Making that video, he did such a great job at making you see

how heavy the lyric was. He seemed embarrassed about it. It seems a

valid artistic thing to be doing. It is a different kind of focus.

That is the key to it, just focusing. But like with a camera,

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that is just... You know, I am just Yeah! We have never played for this

many people before. Never thought we would ever play for this many

people. Are you ready for one more? 1, two, three.

# You dare not leave a message # At least I could have heard a

voice one last time # Would you hear me?

# Would you hear me # This could be the day

# Hold my hand # Walk beside me

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Yeah, lots of times. Especially when our singer starts climbing on

the ceiling, 50 ft above the stage. Don't do that! Are you worried he

will fall down? All of the time. I thought, he is going to have fallen

kill himself. I was worried every Over the years, he would get higher

and higher. He would not shift it up, because he is survived the last

one. We are going to take this to some level that people will not

forget. If that means risking your We would get to the hotel after the

show then feel pretty good, physically. Then I would take a

shower and realise I had 1000 deep scratches on my back. I did not

want him to hurt himself, but at the same time, there was no talking

to him. He was going to do what he was going to do. He could have

killed himself a couple of times, probably, for sure. Which would

have been more than I could have taken.

You look quite mixed up. I will show you these pictures and you

will see why I look the way I do. It is a little bit overwhelming to

see this many people. I am sure you have been looking at this all day.

It is a lot of people. We are used to playing small clubs, and we want

to go back to playing small clubs. He wanted Pearl Jam to be a band

that goes out and tours in a van and pays its dues and plays in

clubs and makes albums and as a slow, natural life. He did not want

to come out and have overnight success. He was critical about the

mix has, he thought maybe they were too commercial. He was really

reluctant. You are also not going to be doing videos right away at

least. We just do not know. Our mind is on music, which is probably

a good thing for everybody. cumin 1 earlier than I normally do.

I still did four, so it almost felt like I did one too many. Let's do

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A lot of my job is taking what they bring and turning it into something.

This is a chord change, this is a melody. But what does that mean? If

I close my eyes, where am I? What I was in a small coffee shop and

someone came up and stopped me, and the waitress witnessed it and said

oh, you are... And I said, you know. She said, you don't like it? I said,

it is no big deal. And she said, if you don't like it, you picked the

wrong business to be in. And she had a good point. When you are

sitting in your room, playing guitar, you don't have to worry

I had done the movie Say Anything... And was anxious to do the next

movie in Seattle, and it would have the mix of music that I love. The

studio of that the movie and said, we do it now have to sell this

movie. We don't want to put it out. But as Nirvana and Pearl Jam got

bigger, they came to me and said, there is one way. When we looked at

the schedule, there was one day off that week, and that was the day you

wanted us to play. Any memories of the singles party in Los Angeles?

We have vivid footage. You have footage of that? We do. I will not

watch that. It was pretty bad. are all just warming up. It is one

of these things. In it was a total disaster. Everybody loves us.

Everybody loves our town. There were some long soundtracks -- sound

checks that day, and so I drank one bottle of wine. And then there was

another that I opened to give to friends who were not drinking.

went downstairs and there was a bottle of tequila. We hardly ever

drank before the show, but by that point, we were already wasted.

monitors were not working that well. And my ears were not working. I

kept asking them to turn the monitors up, and it would not turn

up. After a while, I just got upset and pulled this drape down. And I

looked over and there was the lighting person. I kept wandering,

why is it getting brighter in here? I will do this one myself. I began

to see studio executives and their families started to stream for the

exits. Fights were breaking out. Don't be violent!

# Hai, that's something. Because we had waited so long for anyone to

ask us to do something, we were saying yes. But that was a moment

where it was evident that there would always be one more thing they

would want you to do. At some point, you have to say no. That was the

Oh, hey, oh...ee-oo, zama dama dingy do. Billboard numero uno, oh

yeah. Oh, ee-oo, zama mama dingy dong. Covero Time Magazine-o, oh,

Let's keep things rolling here. Grunge rockers, Pearl Jam.

# Everybody loves us. Everybody loves our town. Things got crazy.

It was all summer. We are just about to launch MTV in Latin

America. I don't know if you feel comfortable do a couple of IDs for

us in Spanish? Spanish is interesting? Somos Pearl Jam. E

esto es MTV. What do you think grunge means? I would not even news

that word. Everyone is talking about Pearl Jam. I have always

hated their band. The first programme record came out two

months before the Never mind record, so it came -- became a pearl Jam

versus Nirvana thing. He said at nirvana's music was too commercial.

I was so naive and fresh where we first came out. And then everyone

looked at it from a cynical point of view or started copying it.

Eddie Vedder joins Creed front man. Eddie you various attempted to rip

him out. Pearl Jam. Pearl Jam. Pearl Jam. Pearl Jam. Pearl Jam.

Pearl Jam will become the second Seattle band in a month to enter

the billboard pop album chart at number one next week. Since his

Release a week ago, Versus has sold 950,000 copies. A million. I am

having a hard enough time with one right now. We played such a thing I

live for the second time and I talked to Stone the next day, and

he said, what did you think of Daughter? And I thought, we played

Daughter? I essentially black out on TV. That was how I dealt with

how big we got. I bought into the myth, and it was killing me.

last time I talked to curb, we agreed that we would not

participate in the Time magazine interview. And then they put me on

the cover anyway. Sure, I read it on the plains, but I don't take it

seriously. If you want to find out anything, I am not going to read

Time magazine. Time magazine is your parents' magazine or the one

in the doctor's office. And I thought wow, we have been swallowed

up by the mainstream. No one will want to listen to us. I am not

going to read Newsweek. These magazines have too much to lose by

printing the truth. You know that. The # Trains and spills, soaks the

# Stab it down. # Fill the pages.

How were you going to survive and not do something wrong? Now you

have sold too many records, but these people are so happy to hear

your music. But these people hate you now. And these people love you

so much that they want to kill you. So how do you relate any of these

people from where you are? The One That I Want to get in personal with

was No Code, because its dock are problems. I built a wall in front

of the House. Why? Because I have been open and honest and intimate

in lyrics. Now I have to build a wall in front of my house. That

wall saved my life. Not because of privacy or anything, but literally

because someone tried to drive into the house at 50 miles an hour. So

you wonder what happened. How did it mutate into this situation? You

will have to edit this part. young musician who made grunge

music popular became an overnight spokesman for many disaffected

young Americans as his fans tried to sort out what caused him to take

his life. I was trying to tell them, don't hurt me. And what is this

nonsense about how terrible life is? A young girl who stood outside

his home in Seattle, with tears streaming down her face, said, it

is hard to be a young person nowadays. He helped open young

people's eyes to our struggles. Please wipe the tears from your

eyes, dear, you are breaking my heart. I would love to relieve the

pain you are going through by switching my age for yours. I was

trying to call him because I had read something he said that he

could not keep it real. I just wanted to tell him, you don't have

to do anything anybody tells you to do. Just stop playing and don't do

anything. I had a whole thing I was going to tell him, but I never got

the chance. Sometimes people and have you whether you like it or not.

It is easy to fall. I don't think any of us would be in this room

tonight if it were not for Kurt Cobain. People think that we are

whining or crying about success if we are just trying to tell you that

there are some intense pressures and some things that could be

helped. # How much difference does it make?

A # How much difference does it He resonates in my life. It always

comes up around a camp fire or play music with a few guys in a garage

for no particular reason. I always think, he would have liked this.

Tha # I will halt the Campbell to live burns up my arm.

He is a nice person. I did not like him a lot when I was talking

rubbish about him all the time, but now I can appreciate him. I have

realised that the same people that like our band like their band, so

why create a feud over something? # I will not change direction.

made us think about everything we did. His critique of us early on

kept us on good behaviour in terms of everything we did. We would

are good now, it is partly because of him.

# How much difference does it may ache?

It is not like you of friends or anything. Well, I consider him a

person that I like. We have had conversations on the phone and he

is a nice person. I remember the sound of his voice, Omar but I

don't remember what we talked about. I have not let myself change, but

the way people see you changes, and that is not in my hands. Maybe what

is in my control is not doing interviews or not being on MTV and

not anything to glorify your face or position. I was talking about

this band being a bit more viceless. It can be done. Pink Floyd. It can

Eddie could not be anonymous and it was affecting him. So,

psychologically, he needed to take control of something. So then he

was like, OK, I can have control I felt that anything we put out was

highly representative of me because I was kind of becoming the most

recognisable guy. # Vacate is the word

# Vengeance has no place on the or # Cannot find the comfort in this

Vitology was the first record where it was making a record in a

different way. All of a sudden I was like, wait a minute, I'm the

guy, ready to get in there and do this thing. At the time I thought

it was our best record. dynamics of the band, how they have

changed as to who was in power. # Lives opened and trashed

# Watch me crash # No time to question

# Why did nothing last # Grasp and hold on

# We are dying fast # Is soon be over

# I will relent. # As much as I am excited to play, it

is a surfing tour. I plan on adding a surf board at all times. It was a

big tour, the first time we went to Australia. White it was challenging,

to go, I don't know if we have the same band. We might be a different

band right now and maybe they will WAG we have always had his

adversarial relationship. It has been muted because all we thought

of as our new band was immediately taken over by Ed. We learnt that as

you are fighting over the scraps of control you meet somebody with so

much artistic energy that your # Let my spirit pass

# MRS, this is, We were always going towards

something else. We wanted to be like Zeppelin, a chameleon of a

band, not locked into a specific style. But the business of the

record company is all about locking make the money now and locking wine

this thing up. They could care less if it is gone tomorrow because they

had something coming off the backside that will replace it. We

were trying to figure out how to be a bands down the road. There was

not anybody to go to at that point until we met Neil. The first time

we got asked to play the bridge school in San Francisco, we made a

connection and said, thank you. A few months later, he asked us to go

to Europe with him. It seemed like a dream to me.

# There's colours on the street And it was so educational listening

to him talking about his career, playing in stadiums, then in clubs,

then in medium-sized places, but all along doing what he wants to do.

His point is to roll with the # Keeper on rocking in the free

world. # Meeting Neil Young and his impact

on the band, making this record with the band, he remade a record

with the band and not Eddie. In my mind, he was almost saying, come on,

you guys are great. At the time, we I am happy to finally have an adult

in my lies that leads by example. I have had some crazy adults in my

life so it is about time I got one I hope Neil is feeling feisty

tonight. And speaking of a feisty, some smart arse, who arranged the

tables, put our table right next to a Ticketmaster at's table over here.

-- right next to Ticketmaster's table. I predict a food fight by

the end of the evening. And I would recommend the classy people over

there to scoot away, or to join in. Maybe we should all join in while

we have got them right here. In the United States, the hit rock

band Pearl Jam has taken battle against what it claims is the greed

of the entertainment industry. It is tackling the high cost of buying

from the biggest ticket agency, Ticketmaster. All that the band

once, it says, is a fair deal for the fans. We do not want to be

doing a press conference. We want to be playing. The nation's top

rock band is accusing the biggest ticket distributor of unfair

practices. If they do not agree to Ticketmaster's terms, they cannot

perform. A spokesman insisted Ticketmaster never told any

promoter not to book Pearl Jam. He dismissed them as petulant young

children who ascribed to Business anarchy.

The band took the extraordinary step of filing a complaint at the

Justice Department. When you're on that big a stage, it is not in your

control. You are part of a larger drama. We had a specific problem

with Ticketmaster, and they asked us to testify about our problem in

regards to a larger lawsuit. But it has been perceived as us trying to

break up Ticketmaster. We are honoured to have representatives of

Pearl Jam and Ticketmaster here today. The question is whether

recent contractual agreements between Ticketmaster and most major

stadiums and concert promoters have violated federal anti-trust laws.

Who would like to go first? Stone? All of them looked up the members

of Pearl Jam remember what it is like to be young and not have a lot

of money. Many fans are teenagers who did -- do not have the money to

pay $30 or more that is often charged for tickets. We have made a

decision that we do not want to put prices out of the reach of fans.

Fans can go from one music store to another to find the best deal on a

CD but can go nowhere but Ticketmaster for concert tickets.

Do you think Ticketmaster is entitled to a profit? I do not

think that matters. You have a contract with your racket company

and that is exclusive, is that correct? I think this line of

questioning is very strange because what does that have to do with

anything? The issue is whether Ticketmaster is a monopoly. It has

nothing to do with our business or our relationship with our manager.

Mr Worner, do you want these guys to play at Long Beach? What I want,

is a record here. Let's just get it First of all, I want you to know

that I think you are a darling. This is great. When we got involved

in this issue, I did not know very much and I still do not about

alternative music. I tried to learn some pearl Jam songs. But I think

it's a little beyond me. Having been a fan for many years, I don't

want to become something that I despised as a kid. When my staff

told me we were going to have this hearing, I knew nothing about

grunge. But I know a lot about the importance of fairness and equity

and I think you have raised some important questions. Who are the

powers that be that wanted to be perceived as putting pressure on

Ticketmaster? Those are backroom David Lynchian guys in hotel rooms

with oxygen tanks, darkened LA. That is what I think of. It is like,

he understands. Almost a year after picking its fight with Ticketmaster,

Pearl Jam remains alone among major rock bands who could have joined

the group in its boycott but never did. It is a few lonely voices

because not many groups joined up. There is no deal with us and

Ticketmaster. We are not playing Ticketmaster shows this summer.

# Restless soul, enjoy your youth # Like Mohammed, hits the truth. #

The shows where we were going outside of cities and building from

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the ground up, that was a tough The question is whether artists

have an inherent right to control the limits of their business and

how it relates to the growth of their act. The answer, I'm

convinced, is that artists do have a right to that control. I think we

have always just fallen into ways of doing things the way we felt

they should be done, whether they were right or whether they were

wrong, they were just our ways of doing it. I have never heard of

Pearl Jam, I must admit. That makes two of us.

Here we are in your fine place. And what are the things you have kept

that remind you of the experience of the last 20 years with the band?

I am sure I have kept the least amount of things of anyone in the

band. I have justified that as, one, I lose everything all the time so

it comes naturally. And also, Jeff ament keeps so much, and if all I

have to do is maintain my good relationship with him, I can always

go to his house and look through the stuff that he has an celebrate

his keeping of the things. Pearl Jam in Mexico City memorial. These

are some of the Mexico City coffee cups. So that is a little faded now.

Because you use it! This one clearly needs to go back in the

dishwasher. Here is something. Mike McCready sent me this. It is the

I got a few, this is a box of Pearl Jam touring bands DVDs. That is

2000. I don't know why they are still there. And I have a few CDs

here. Probably I had someone bring and buy a because I was trying to

remember how to play some songs. I don't know if there is anything

else in here. Let's see. That might be it. There might be something in

the basement. Look, there's a Grammy. I knew this was going to

# I'm ahead # I Merman

# I'm the first mammal to wear pants

# I'm at peace with my last # I can kill because in Gardai

Trust # Its evolution, baby. #

You can tell how I feel about the Grammys.

# IMac peas, I'm the man. # I was having a bad day at the

Grammys. You could not go out because of the photographers, so

that was part of it. Pearl Jam. like to start off with a bang so I

will say something on behalf of all of us. I do not know what this

means. I don't think it means I remember arguing with my friends

because they were like, man, what was your boy doing? If he does not

want to be there, he should not be there. And all of this stuff. And I

was like, are you kidding me? If I had the balls, I would have said

the same thing. I should have started a fight right

there. It would have been much more exciting. What would all these

young people be doing if they had real problems like a Depression or

Vietnam? Do their work? Are they contributing anything to the world

they are taking so much from? # It's evolution, baby.

That was around the Ticketmaster tour. The four of us were

travelling in a jet. Jack, Stone, Jeff and I. Eddie was travelling in

a van to a radio show and then driving all night to the next show.

So there was a huge physical disconnect, but also an emotional

one. And nobody was really talking. He was trying to maintain a

something that was more of a Do It Yourself type of mentality. But we

were not that band, Fugazi. We needed to sit down with him and go

and look, are you embarrassed by us? Do you want to be in the band

any more? We thought we were going to break up. I thought that was

going to happen. We all agreed we needed to take some time off and

figure it out. That is Highway 200. We just past Ovando. We are heading

towards Lincoln, and then we keep going to the north-east. That is

the spot. That is your home town? My parents made me live in this

desolate - I mean, I was hundreds of miles away from anybody I could

relate to. I was ready to leave at about 14. A couple of trips to

California really messed me up. My mom's brother had long hair, my

Uncle Pat. He had tapestries in his room, and he would put the

headphones on May and play Abraxas By Santana, and it would blow my

mind. I remember getting a huge buzz off it and getting emotional.

And I would try to look for records. There was no record store in our

town, so I started subscribing to Circus and Cream magazine, and my

uncle got rolling Stone magazine. You would study that stuff. And a

lot of those punk rock records, you could really hear base. You could

hear Dee Dee on those Ramones records. If you were trying to

learn the songs, you could turn the dial to the right side and learn

all of Dee Dee's parts. I moved to Seattle in 1983. All I wanted to do

was living a bigger city where there were more like minded people

and more culture around punk rock shows. If I wanted to see a cool

movie. There was a razor haircut. I was hearing about all these movies

that I never got a chance to see. It must have been the first contact

from Jeff. I remember there being a real connection made on the phone,

talking about art work. He was into art work. And the responsibilities

as a band member or working with people that get that it is not a

slacker job or a rock star thing. It is about music and art. We had

these things in common, which was probably why we ended up room-mates

when we first started touring. Reconnected and became really close.

-- we connected and became real close. It is amazing now, when I

look back. I remember when Ed first came to town, it seemed like it was

something he had been waiting for his whole life. It was obvious in

the first few minutes that it was something I had been waiting for

# I'm thumbing my way back to heaven.

It would be a very easy banned for us in some ways not to be a band.

Nobody can really put a finger on what it is that keeps us coming

back together. It is a strange marriage. I met Mike McCready when

I was in seventh grade. He was good. He played solo as. I had lived in

Los Angeles, tried to make it in my band at Shadow in 1986 for a year.

I paid to play at the Roxy, $700 on a Sunday night in December. And

there were five people there. So I struggled and I gave up playing

music for a little. I moved back to Seattle and said I can't. I am done.

And then lo and behold, I get a call out of the blue from Stone.

saw him play at a party one night. He was playing lead guitar and was

just unconsciously DVU these jolts. He is channelling stuff that sounds

like it is coming from the heavens, but I think it is coming from

inside. There is something spiritual about the way he plays.

And that is when he is in tune with the good stuff, you know. As you

know, the song reached down, the second song I wrote for the Temple

of the Dog record, I wanted it to be a sort of Neil Young screw you

to the world of people who don't want to hear a guitar solo. I am

going to make an 11 or 12 minutes of that is mostly a guitar solo.

When I heard him play guitar, I was like, we are going to pull this off

for real. He can actually play. This guy is a rock star. We just

thought he was a nice little kid. He has got something in there like

he is infected, and that will come out again somewhere. Good luck,

guys. He knows me. I would say that is 100% accurate. Eddie said, ask

mic about the drummers. Ask me about the drummers? Yeah, he said

Mike will give you the drummer's rap. Well, we started off with Dave

Krusen. It did not work out. Matt Chamberlain did not want to go on

the road. It is very Spinal Tap of us to have this many drummers. Jack

gave the tape he got from Stoned to Ed. Ed wanted to repay that favour.

We toured with him. He played on the Yield record. Then it got too

much for Jack. He said he could not talk. We already had a tour booked.

Who could recall that could do that? Matt Cameron. Soundgarden had

broken up, so Ed call him. He was like, we need to leave in three

weeks. In ten days, he learned 80 songs. Something crazy like that.

just closed my eyes and I would be like, do I know that song? No. Matt

Cameron made us a better band than we have ever been. When we had to

switch a drama or something, you would do it out of survival mode.

It is like removing an organ. When you remove the drummer, you are

removing the heart. It is like a Binaural is a dark time for me,

because I have Crohn's disease. I was struggling with that,

struggling with addiction. I was taking pills to take care of that,

and it got out of hand. It was a struggle. In the early years, we

had those transcendent shows where everybody was drunk. Everybody lost

their mind at once. It was harder to lose your mind at that point,

because everyone was like, I am 32. I have got this relationship. We

became more self-conscious and more aware as you are an adult that it

is more difficult to go we have just got to go crazy. Around this

time, I think we were less popular. I don't think we were doing any

press. We had meetings about those things and it was like, how much

press will we do on this tour? When you don't do any of it, and the

changing times fluctuate, people get over you. That was around that

time, Binaural. People were like, I But some people stayed with us

because we stayed true to our vision. How important is commercial

success to you? Does grunge still exist today? How did the second ten

years happen? You did survive. What are the turning points to you?

your positions. It is one of Europe's worst concert tragedies.

The band stopped playing just before the incident. Deadly trouble

in the shape of a crowd of 50,000 strong. There has been a lot of

pushing up pay and 10 to 15 people have been badly hurt. Tragedy

occurred in the rain and mud or late Friday night at the Annual

Roskilde Rock Festival outside the Danish capital of Copenhagen, when

rock fans surged forward during a performance by the American group

Pearl Jam. The porter macro fans of the outdoor rock concert packed

closer and closer to the stage, ending in a crash that killed nine

people and injured three more. just wanted to get out of there. I

just did not want it to be true. It was happening right in front of us,

but I did not want it to be true. Something as horrific and shocking

as people being pulled over the barricade that are not Alive any

more, what that impact was on us... It will never go away. From that

point on, we rethought everything. Thought I did not know what I was

feeling. It is such an onslaught of confusion. The last time I felt

like that was when Andy Wood died. I did not know if I wanted to play

I think we quantified everything that has happened to us as three

Roskilde Rock Festival and afterwards. If early on there was

the beginning of no. For us, the Roskilde Rock Festival was the

beginning of what? What are we doing? What do we do to assist the

families? What have we become, and what do we do to survive? Even

since the Roskilde Rock Festival in 2000, that made everybody get into

a really unique perspective on where we are and how fragile life

peers. Since then, once and a while, we will say to one another, can you

believe it? Can you believe we are When I interviewed the band in 1993

for Rolling Stone magazine, I asked Eddie Vedder if there was an Andy

Wood song he would ever be interested in singing. He said

there was one, and one day he would sing it. On the band's 10th

anniversary show in Las Vegas, he announced to the group that he

wanted to sing Crown of Thorns, up one of Mother Love Bone's greatest

songs. In that moment, the two bans United. We wouldn't mind attempting

something that is even older than 10 years.

# You ever hear the story of Mr Faded Glory?

# Say he who rides a pony must someday for

# I was talking to my old Sir # Says life is what you make it

# And if you make it, death will For him to acknowledge the past and

say, this is where we came from and be generous to Jeff and I can say,

yeah, of course, that was another huge gift.

# I wanted to do that I love you. # I used to think of and the all the

time, especially when the band got bigger because I used to think, he

would have loved to play this place, he would have loved to play the

Garden. He would have torn this shit up.

# I'm singing # This is my kind of love

# It's the kind that moves on # It's the kind that leaves me

alone or # Yeah

# Like a Crown of Thorns # It's all who you know

I wrote down on this paper, and DIS and Ed, because I think about him

all the time. I think how lucky I am to go in my basement, write a

song and manifested, figure out how to live recorded, whatever. That is

all that you ever hoped for, as somebody that would just record.

Some group of guys that would play the songs for him. And I wish that

we could go back in time and be the band for him.

# This Is My Kind of Love, the kind that moves on

# This is my kind of love. # He was playing to those places in

his head for a long time. The thing # How does he do it

# How do they do it # Uncanny and immutable

# This is such a happening tailpipe of a party

# Like Sugar, the guests are so refined. #

When we played in Nassau, three- quarters of the crowd booed us. It

really bummed some of the band out. They were like, I never want to

play the song again. I actually locking dougie it. It was all right.

There was a fireman in the front row and he was showing me his badge.

It was such a bad time in American history and we were trying to say

what we thought. When you know the crowd has turned and there are that

many people, it feels like you might not make it out of there

alive. That was about really trusting his instincts about a very

specific thing and he wanted to do it in a way that was antagonistic.

I think if you have the opportunity, you have to take on that

You didn't like that one? It's great to be in a band where you are

not afraid to do that, not afraid to speak our minds and get booed

once in a while. It's all right. It was an uncertain time for Pearl

Jam, a period when many bans quite a break-up and move on, but from

the beginning Stone and Jeff had always wanted a ban that would last,

keep writing and record music. And that is what Pearl Jam did. Show by

a show, they became one of the most dependably unpredictable bans in

Ed has a feeling pretty much everywhere that we play and it is a

great gauge of how the crowd is feeling and a lot of times that is

why the set list does not get done until 10 minutes before we play.

difficult as it was, at different times when you are like, we can go

and kill his crowd. Let's start with these five songs. And you know,

yeah, we going to play this first. We have not played this one

together but we will work it out backstage and it will be OK.

Inevitably you are so nervous that you go out and fumble it. You are

like, God, let's play a hit, you know. He would be a lot easier to

play a similar set every night. It would be so much easier and yet we

can't find it in ourselves to do that.

# I'm through with screaming That is why you see Pearl Jam. It

is locking different every night. Every night it is different. It is

funny but lots of those decisions we made, it took 10 years to see

why they were good. Mixing our set list every night, it is the

greatest blessing we could have ever done. The door is open for us

to be who we are every night and we just trust it.

# And I will be, to I think all of us have been totally

embarrassed by the 70s. We are all products of it but not stuck in it.

Our guitar heroes, Hendriks for Mike, Jimmy Page for me, for Eddie,

The Who. In a sense, it is a total Roger Daltrey wrote me a letter

saying would I like to come and play? I told him, no way you.

Because that is the ultimate, that is the pinnacle for me, that band,

that era. We have to decide whether or not we are going to remain a

circus act, in other words doing what everybody knows we can do and

what we know we can do, until the band eventually turns into a

cabaret act, which is inevitable. That is ridiculous. There is me and

Johnny Ramone. This is me and Joe Strummer and that is the night I

met Jack Irons. This was hanging in the dressing room the first night I

met Peter. I was terrified. The first thing he said was, I have

waited so long to meet you. # I won't get what I'm after until

Now, we are just grateful for our band, who we are, what we have

become. And grateful that we finally figured out how to do it.

think there was a huge element of our fans that just carried us

through a period of time where we were not there all the way. You see

their belief and even when you don't have it you go, OK, I have to

figure this out. Joining the band, I was so impressed with how in

house everything is, like, there is no outside influence going on. It

all comes from the band. They saved me, in a certain way.

# When I was a kid, oh how happy it seemed

# Please let me dream its Christmas time. #

We have been doing it for 10 Records, 20 years and I cannot

think when I ever felt I was just phoning it in. It is always pure

I think there really is a collective understanding of how

lucky and how fortunate we are to still be playing music with the

same group of people. Everybody, you can feel it, and it makes being

in a band a joy. # Yeah, yeah

There is a communal exchange. There's obviously a line drawn

between who is on stage and who is # Let me hear you

# Waiting, watching the clock # It's 4 o'clock, it's got to stop

# Tell him, take no more # She practises her speech

# As he opens the door, she rolls over

# Pretends to sleep as he looks her over

# She lives and says she's in love with him

# Can't find a better man # She dreams in Carla

# She dreams in red # Can't find a better man

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# Son, she said, have I got a little story for you?

# What you thought was your father was nothing but a fault

# While you were sitting at home alone at age 13

# Your real father was dying # Sorry you didn't see him

# But I'm glad we talked # I'm still alive

I loved it. We were two rose from the front. This is my fifth show.

24th. 61. 54. Pearl Jam is a band for the fans. We stuck with them

all the way, because what we get out of them is overwhelming.

this guy flew from Bucharest. came from Denver. London. I took

two weeks off from my job and travelled nine shows in a row last

year. # Yeah, I am still Alive. There is

not another band like them. Everybody wrote the whole crest of

a wave, but after that, they came out a lot stronger. They took on

Ticketmaster. They took on a man, and they could have lost, but they

didn't. I think this band is only # Is something wrong, she said.

# Of course there is. # You're still Alive, she said.

# Do I deserve to be? # Is that the question.

# And if so, who answers, who answers?

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# Oh, I'm still Alive. # I feel your love, I feel your

strong love. # I feel the patience of

unconditional love. There was a rumour that it was going to be like

the kids are all right. That is a misconception. The Kids Are All

Right is really super genius. What # I will never let you down.

# If you just walk with me. # I am on a journey. They stay true

to fans as well by releasing the bootlegs of their albums are so

that other people can't make a # Walk With Me. Walk with me. Walk

with me. We are not filming this He hates this. Why do you keep

# Walked with me. I don't know if they realise how much they have

given to us, the fans, and how much we appreciate it.

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# Walk With Me. # Yes, I understand that every life

must end. # So as we sit alone, I know

someday we must go. # Yeah, I'm a lucky man to count on

both hands the ones I love. # Some folks, they have won, and

# Stay with me. # Let's just breathe.

# Practice Dharm my sins, never gonna let me win.

# Under everything, just another human being.

# Yeah, I don't want to hurt. # There is so much in this world to

# Stay with me. # You are all I see.

# Did I say that I need you? # Al, did I say that I want you?

# A will, if I didn't, I'm a fool, you see.

# No 1 knows this more than me. # Or Karzai come clean.

# I wonder every day as I look upon your face.