Let's Have a Party! The Piano Genius of Mrs Mills


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MUSIC: "Arnold Layne" by Pink Floyd

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1967.

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The Summer Of Love.

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The Vietnam War.

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The Beatles released Sgt Pepper.

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In London, Jimi Hendrix

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sets fire to his guitar,

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and The Rolling Stones are jailed for drugs possession.

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NEWSREEL: Police said when they entered the house,

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there was a sweet smell of incense about.

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And in the charts at number 17,

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with her biggest-selling album to date...

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..the one and only Mrs Mills.

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MUSIC: "Mrs Mills Medley"

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She reminds me of a school dinner lady.

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She looks like she could, when she's not playing the piano,

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be dishing out really lumpy mash to kids...

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but with a big smile on her face.

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Suddenly, this very ordinary-looking woman, with a lovely smile,

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who was normally... you know, looked like someone's aunt...

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had a record deal with EMI,

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playing in the same studio as The Beatles and Rolling Stones,

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it was just absolutely bizarre.

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APPLAUSE

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She was exceptional.

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And it was that talent

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that took her to selling millions of records worldwide.

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"Famous"! Go on with you.

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A lot of people say, "Who?" which I find annoying,

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but I just say she was a variety artist and a brilliant pianist,

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and if they ever get time to listen, they ought to, basically...

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because they don't know what they're missing.

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"SHAVE AND A HAIRCUT" ENDING

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APPLAUSE

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This rather plump, cuddly, loveable,

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auntie sort of figure,

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that your mum and dad liked, but maybe you thought

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was a little bit kitsch and a little bit...

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not exactly hip.

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Good Lord, here she is now!

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Well...!

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APPLAUSE

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Today, Mrs Mills has been all but written out of popular music history.

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But, with over 40 albums to her name,

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in the 1960s, her sing-along piano playing

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and bubbly personality

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made her a firm family favourite.

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Hello, Mr Preview!

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That's not the Queen - that's Mrs Mills!

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LAUGHTER

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BOTH: She's the queen of the ivories!

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It's interesting to look at music history,

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because the books say one thing and yet, let's look at the charts,

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and let's see how eclectic the charts are.

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You look at a Top 40 in 1964,

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and you can have anyone from...

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The Beatles...

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to Frankie Vaughan to, let's say...

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Ken Dodd.

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The narrative is very straightforward, and it goes,

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"The Beatles came along,

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"biggest band ever, everybody loved them..."

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MUSIC: "Twist And Shout" by The Beatles

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"Then everybody went psychedelic..."

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MUSIC: "I Know What I Like" by Genesis

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"And then there was glam rock..."

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MUSIC: "Hell Raiser" by Sweet

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"And prog rock..."

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MUSIC: "Yours Is No Disgrace" by Yes

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"And then there was punk..."

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MUSIC: "New Rose" by The Damned

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And anything that doesn't fit with that is left out.

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Self-evidently, Mrs Mills doesn't fit with that.

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So, the people that are writing history...

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I guess are not Mrs Mills fans.

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APPLAUSE

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MUSIC: "Ain't That A Grand And Glorious Feeling" by Mrs Mills

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One thing you have to consider is, just when Mrs Mills was becoming popular,

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there was a fear about a lot of community...

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in fact, a moral panic over mods and rockers,

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gangs of youths fighting each other.

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No-one could understand why this was happening,

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why such animosity was felt because someone rode a scooter rather than a motorbike,

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all these kind of things.

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So, Mrs Mills represented...

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a value that had been lost

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in the eyes of some,

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and that perhaps, if only we could just get around the piano again,

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sing songs together,

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the young, the old, whatever your ethnicity is,

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whatever your class is,

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sing these songs.

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and you will feel that you have bonded with your friends and neighbours.

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And then you won't go and cause...

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riots in Margate.

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MUSIC: "Rudolph The Red-Nosed Reindeer" by Mrs Mills

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MUSIC: "My Generation" by The Who

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# People try to put us down

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# Talkin' 'bout my generation

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# Just because we get around

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# Talkin' 'bout my generation

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# Things they do look awful cold

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# Talkin' 'bout my generation

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# I hope I die before I get old... #

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You then have a dichotomy.

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Popular music goes off rather in The Beatles and The Rolling Stones,

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and all the Liverpool singers that come after that.

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But the more middle-of-the-road popular music still carries on,

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and people like Mrs Mills - she was still going in the 1970s, of course.

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For most teenagers,

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Mrs Mills had an appeal

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second only to, say, the appeal of ABBA to punk rockers.

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It was regarded as the kind of music...

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HE LAUGHS

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..That their music had rebelled against.

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You certainly wouldn't be seen dead walking down the street

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with a Mrs Mills album cover.

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Of course, in those days, that was the whole thing.

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On the Saturday, you went to a record store or record shop,

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and you bought an album,

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and you walked home with it, down the High Street with it tucked under your arm.

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And those were your sounds, man, for the weekend.

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People would say, "Oh, look, he's got the new Stones album,

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"he's got the new so-and-so album."

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That made you appear very cool,

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cos you had this album under your arm.

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Certainly not Mrs Mills.

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MUSIC: "Powder Your Face With Sunshine" by Mrs Mills

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Mrs Mills is unique in having this

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raucous pub style, this, "Let's have a good laugh, a good singsong."

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And just the energy and the enthusiasm...

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is worth more than musical polish and sophistication.

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But, at the same time,

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the technique is immaculate!

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She's got quite a broad appeal...

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by virtue of the fact she can play any music,

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but obviously in exactly the same style.

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While her records may seem as quintessentially British as a pub sing along,

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Mrs Mills' playing style actually had its roots in ragtime

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and the jazz clubs of East Coast America.

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The style of piano playing that she used

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was in its day known as "vamping style" or "stride piano",

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which was basically this kind of bass pattern.

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HE PLAYS PIANO

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This was a kind of technique

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that developed in the 1920s -

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American players in Chicago,

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James Johnson,

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later, Earl Hines.

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Jazz players who worked upon this particular style

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to give a lot of rhythmic punch

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to the jazz music they were playing.

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MUSIC: "Carolina Shout" by Willie "The Lion" Smith

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It rapidly became an outdated style,

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so that by the time Mrs Mills was playing...

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it did sound very old-fashioned.

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The stride piano style is difficult.

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It's a dead thing now,

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and it's a great shame.

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It died because it has no end user.

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The end user for the stride piano player was always the pub.

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PUB SING ALONG

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Thousands and thousands of pubs in the UK,

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in the '40s, '50s and '60s -

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every single one of them had a piano in it.

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People would come and sit down at the piano and play,

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and people would sing,

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and it was just great, great fun.

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That's really where the stride piano player

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used to play.

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Basically, what the stride piano player is...

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your right hand plays the melody of an old classic, whatever it is...

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If you take Sweet Georgia Brown...

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HE PLAYS SWEET GEORGIA BROWN

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If you have a band, you'd normally have an acoustic guitar player

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who would play the chord for you.

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So you'd have...

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HE PLAYS SWEET GEORGIA BROWN

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But then you'd also have a bass player -

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probably a stand-up string bass player,

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-who'd play the bass notes...

-HE PLAYS SWEET GEORGIA BROWN

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Good stride piano players would put the two together...

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HE PLAYS SWEET GEORGIA BROWN

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Etcetera, etcetera,

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for the length of the piece.

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But when the pubs died out,

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there was no call for those piano players,

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because people were playing pianos or keyboards within a band

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that had a guitar or rhythm section and a bass player,

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so they didn't have to do that any more.

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I think what might surprise some people,

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if they think of Mrs Mills as a party pianist,

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or pub pianist-style,

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is that it's actually very tricky

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to do this vamping style.

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-You're playing a bass note down there...

-HE PLAYS BASS NOTE

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-..Playing a chord up there...

-HE PLAYS CHORD

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Because you're playing the melody with your right hand...

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so, in fact, you have to have the accuracy

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to jump from one chord to another.

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I'll show you, if I speed up,

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and very soon, I won't be able to play it without wrong notes...

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HE PLAYS PIANO

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I can't even play the beginning!

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If I play slowly...

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You just can't do it.

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Mrs Mills was amazingly accurate,

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and it's quite a tricky technique.

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MUSIC: "I've Got A Lovely Bunch Of Coconuts" by Mrs Mills

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I play the piano myself,

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and I picked up loads of tips from listening to Mrs Mills.

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And I still play cockney piano and things now.

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One of the main tips is just to keep it going, keep it really live,

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but also filling in all the gaps between the tunes.

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It's hard to demonstrate that without a piano.

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But if she plays a really standard song,

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it's all the little fill-ins and gaps she puts between the tune

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that just kind of brings it to life,

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and she has a standard set few

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that appear throughout a lot of the songs.

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When people rushed out and bought the sheet music, to try to play like Mrs Mills,

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they found that whilst they might be able to get the basics of the tune,

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they weren't able to put in all the little bits that made her music special.

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For example, when she was playing a well-known song from the '30s,

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the actual sheet music is quite simple,

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but if I show you the bars that she changed,

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the actual tune goes...

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HE PLAYS PIANO

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Whereas Mrs Mills used to put a little bit in to change that, and she goes...

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HE PLAYS PIANO

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So she used to put a little bit in-between,

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and it was those "twiddly bits", as she used to call them,

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that really made them unique,

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and it gave it that sparkle.

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It was this sparkle that turned an unknown 40-year-old housewife

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into the most unlikely of stars.

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Born Gladys Jordan in 1918,

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she grew up in Essex,

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and at the age of 29, married Bert Mills,

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settling down to a life of suburban bliss.

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Never dreaming that one day, she would become a household name.

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When did you start to play the piano?

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-When I was 3½.

-Yes?

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They took me away when I was seven,

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because the teacher said I was wasting her time and their money.

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Yes?

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When did you become famous?

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"Famous"! Go on with you.

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THEY LAUGH

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I came in to show business in 1962.

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Mrs Mills had just about the best...

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discovery story in the world, I think.

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She was working as a superintendent at a typing pool,

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at the Paymaster General Office in London.

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She used to work in a dance band

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in the evenings, just to get some extra money and things.

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I was playing at a local golf club dinner and dance

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with my little band,

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and an agent happened to be there.

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Literally, they did their set and afterwards,

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a man came up to her and said, "More people should hear you play,"

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and gave her a telephone number.

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She just thought it was going to be

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for another job for the band, you know.

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But then it wasn't. It was for the Billy Cotton Show on the BBC.

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And she went along for an interview

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and Billy Cotton was there,

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and they said, "Yes, we'll have her."

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The balloon went up and I couldn't believe it.

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Kept pinching myself to see if I hadn't dreamt it all.

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MUSIC: "My Old Man" by Mrs Mills

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# My old man said follow the van

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# And don't dilly dally on the way... #

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That appearance on the Billy Cotton Band Show

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was to change Mrs Mills's life forever,

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and soon led to a contract with Rolling Stones manager, Eric Easton,

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and top EMI record producer, Norman Newell.

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# I dallied and dillied

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# Lost my way and don't know where to roam... #

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It was Norman

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who, if you were a pianist,

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was the producer to aim for,

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because it was Norman that recorded Side Saddle and Roulette

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and Snow Coach,

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the huge Russ Conway hits.

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MUSIC: "Snow Coach" by Russ Conway

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Russ had been very successful throughout the 1950s,

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with these piano records,

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and so I suspect that when Norman saw Mrs Mills...

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having a success on the Billy Cotton Band Show,

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his antenna probably went up and he said, "OK, let's try this woman."

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'She burst through the door and almost fell over the huge bag of

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'shopping she was carrying.'

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Yes, the same man who discovered some of the biggest names in music -

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internationally famous record producer Norman Newell.

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APPLAUSE

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Norman! I'll never forgive you! Lovely!

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Mrs Mills was really lucky to be with Norman Newell,

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because, I think he kind of, looked after her in a way, as well.

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He kind of programmed her albums quite well.

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He picked really good musical directors to work with her,

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in particular Geoff Love who kind of understood the fun that she needed

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in a recording studio.

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-EAMONN ANDREWS:

-Norman's not alone.

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With him is top musical director Geoff Love.

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APPLAUSE

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THEY EXCHANGE GREETINGS

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I was lunching with them today

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and they never said a word, the pair of them. Lies! Lies!

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-Tea break, love!

-Tea break, yes, oh dear!

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It's interesting you see on some of Mrs Mill's recordings,

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she has a chorus of people joining in but they're not a church choir,

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they're not even in tune most of the time, like the honky-tonk piano.

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It's raucous singing

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and this helps to generate that sort of party effect.

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# Then his mama went out

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AUDIENCE: # Da-da-da-dee-dee-de

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GEOFF LOVE: # Then her papa went out

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AUDIENCE: # Da-da-da-dee-dee-de

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# Geoff and I stayed home... #

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She sings duets with Geoff Love

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and there's a number called Da-da-da-da which is like

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a song from the early part of the last century and it was like

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a couple who were sort of getting together in the front parlour.

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# Glad and I stayed home

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# Three of us on our own... #

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The mama went out and the papa went out,

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then the lights went out and his cigar went out.

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It was all about went out and they did this duet, Geoff and Glad,

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and when it got to the line about the cigar, instead of the cigar

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went out she sang, "His cigar came out!"

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# Then his cigar came out... #

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TRIES TO CORRECT

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RAUCOUS LAUGHTER

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GEOFF: # Fire went out

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MRS MILLS: # But when the light went out

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AUDIENCE: # Da-da-da-dee-dee-de. #

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Although there's a sauciness at times obviously

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with some of the repertoire,

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there's also a kind of moral wholesomeness as well.

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It's endorsing community and family values in the end.

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# But when the light went out

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AUDIENCE: # Da-da-da-dee-dee-de. #

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APPLAUSE AND CHEERING

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I think the big success of her records

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was appealing to parties and probably parties in the home.

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At the time she's playing, the piano has declined as an instrument

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that a lot of people could play.

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You've only to go back to the 1920s, early '30s -

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a lot of women could play the piano.

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# Reminds me of me pappy

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# Who was handsome, young and happy

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# When he planted this old apple tree. #

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So in a way it was, I suppose for the young,

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like seeing your granny play and the whole

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sort of atmosphere of the family coming together,

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singing these songs, inviting friends around,

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it had all the appeal of the pub sing-song.

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# I dream

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# Of the old apple tree. #

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# My old man said follow the van

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# Don't dilly dally on the way... #

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Mrs Mills was the sort of music that I was brought up with because

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all my family played and all our family parties

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were just old-fashioned sing-along, getting around the piano,

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just like Mrs Mills.

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So I suppose I was always endeared towards Mrs Mills

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because she was playing this sort of music I was brought up with

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and it was like another old auntie, you know,

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and that's why I love all her stuff.

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I started playing that old-fashioned stride style myself.

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MUSIC: "My Old Man" by Leigh and Collins

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# And you can't find your way home. #

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They were almost disposable. They weren't masterpieces.

0:20:200:20:25

It was a very functional type of music.

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It was music that was just there when you were having a knees up.

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When you weren't having a knees up, you don't play that music.

0:20:310:20:34

# I've got a lovely bunch of coconuts

0:20:340:20:39

# Here they are standing in a row

0:20:390:20:43

# Big ones small ones Some as big as your 'ead

0:20:430:20:47

# Give' em a twist a flick of your wrist... #

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Having a party on your album title pretty much gave you

0:20:510:20:55

instant sales because the people who bought these albums

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they would put them on when they had a party.

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It was as simple as that.

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You didn't say I think I'll put Mrs Mills' party album and sit on

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your own and listen to it and smoke a pipe or whatever it was you did.

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You put it on because you wanted to have a sing-along.

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# Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner

0:21:120:21:16

# And I love London town... #

0:21:160:21:20

It all goes back to the sort of 1930s, 1940s, '50s,

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when people did gather round the family piano.

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By the '60s most of them had got rid of the piano.

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They had no room for it

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because the television came in so there was no room in the parlour

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for the piano so the alternative was you bought Mrs Mills' album.

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You put that on. You could still have your sing-along.

0:21:390:21:42

# I love London town. #

0:21:420:21:46

I mean to some extent her records were the very first karaoke.

0:21:460:21:51

You could sing along to her stuff.

0:21:510:21:53

So you put the albums on and after everyone had a few drinks and

0:21:530:21:58

Aunt Maude had her dry sherry, they would start singing the songs.

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It would end up as a singsong.

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It was very much a family thing I think that people did.

0:22:060:22:09

She was born in 1918, so we're talking just before the war.

0:22:090:22:13

She'd start playing and people'd think, "That's what

0:22:130:22:18

"I remember", you know, the tunes, songs from the war years when things

0:22:180:22:23

weren't very good for people

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and it was quite dark and depressing.

0:22:240:22:26

# Made me happy sometimes

0:22:260:22:29

# You made me sad

0:22:290:22:32

# But there were times dear

0:22:320:22:37

# You made me feel so bad... #

0:22:370:22:42

It was out of the war years you know the idea that everyone had

0:22:420:22:45

a piano, not a TV or record player,

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so you just play a piano and sing and you feel better.

0:22:470:22:51

That's exactly what she was and she was born out of that sort of style.

0:22:510:22:54

# Yes I do, you know I do

0:22:540:22:58

# Gimme gimme gimme

0:22:580:23:02

# You know you got the kind of kisses I'd die for... #

0:23:020:23:06

I think mostly women buy the type of music that she was playing.

0:23:060:23:10

They could identify with her, those sort of people that

0:23:100:23:13

like that type of song could identify with Mrs Mills -

0:23:130:23:17

a chubby, tubby, ebullient lady, very nice person,

0:23:170:23:22

and they could identify with her.

0:23:220:23:25

She gives that sense of, you know, just come and join me

0:23:250:23:28

and be jolly and let's have a laugh, that sort of thing.

0:23:280:23:32

Let's be merry and jolly.

0:23:320:23:34

When you hear her play it brings so much life and joy into a room

0:23:340:23:37

and for me,

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if I'm feeling just a bit fed up or a bit down or anything, I just bung

0:23:390:23:42

a Mrs Mills record on and I start feeling jolly straightaway.

0:23:420:23:45

But no, she's great to kind of, dance along to.

0:23:450:23:49

MUSIC: "My Old Man" by Leigh and Collins

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What she did didn't depend on fashion or style.

0:23:560:24:00

It was what you see is what you get

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and her fan base, her audience,

0:24:040:24:08

knew what they wanted and Glad knew what they wanted.

0:24:080:24:12

And so it's going to go down well on radio and TV and for a mixed

0:24:120:24:18

audience at a time when popular music was beginning to separate

0:24:180:24:23

off its audiences into the older audience and the younger audience.

0:24:230:24:29

With the exception of Top Of The Pops, I don't think you ever really

0:24:290:24:32

saw rock music at all. You saw it on Top Of The Pops

0:24:320:24:35

and Old Grey Whistle Test and kids TV

0:24:350:24:37

and the rest of the time it was Mrs Mills world

0:24:370:24:41

and everybody else was just living in it.

0:24:410:24:43

Back then a lot of show needed a musical interlude.

0:24:430:24:49

In fact, even quite recently, shows...you think, hang on a minute

0:24:490:24:53

I'm watching a comedy review show and now there's a musical interlude.

0:24:530:24:57

It still happens. Back then if you couldn't get some really good singer

0:24:570:25:01

you'd just get someone to knock out some tunes on a piano

0:25:010:25:04

and if you can knock out four tunes in three minutes that's great

0:25:040:25:07

and suddenly there you go, you've got people that can do

0:25:070:25:10

medleys of numbers. I'll come on three quarters of the way

0:25:100:25:13

through the show, bit of music, you have a rest, everyone can go

0:25:130:25:16

on the back foot for a bit and then we're back into the show.

0:25:160:25:19

APPLAUSE

0:25:190:25:23

Of course that was Colin Rose having fun with a few old flames.

0:25:230:25:28

I wonder what he does with the old ones.

0:25:280:25:31

It's back to our Glad who always plays with a certain amount of fire.

0:25:310:25:35

CLASSICAL MUSIC SCORE

0:25:350:25:40

She lends herself very well to television in that she's

0:25:400:25:44

bringing the music hall to our TV screens and that she's

0:25:440:25:49

bringing that variety and I just love the fact that she was

0:25:490:25:54

just there looking at the audience, smiling, that's cabaret in itself.

0:25:540:25:58

You always thought or sensed that Mrs Mills was probably the standby

0:26:030:26:06

guest on something like the Des O'Connor Show,

0:26:060:26:09

Morecambe and Wise, Harry Secombe Show, anything like that,

0:26:090:26:12

if they had some big guest that was going to come in and suddenly

0:26:120:26:15

dropped out at the last minute. "Get Mrs Mills."

0:26:150:26:17

She'll come in, knock off four numbers, it'd be great.

0:26:170:26:20

That'll be the three-minute music number done, phoom, done. Sorted.

0:26:200:26:23

Let's give a warm welcome for Mrs Mills.

0:26:230:26:25

APPLAUSE

0:26:250:26:30

ERIC CHEERS

0:26:310:26:33

-Hell, fire, it's all happening now.

-It's lovely to see you.

0:26:330:26:37

I'm glad to see you, Glad.

0:26:370:26:38

-Lovely to be with you and I brought this for you.

-Great. What is it?

0:26:380:26:42

What do you mean what is it? It's one of my fabulous fruitcakes.

0:26:420:26:45

-Is it really?

-All the fruit stoned.

0:26:450:26:48

LAUGHTER

0:26:480:26:50

Glad Mills was Eric and Ernie's favourite support act.

0:26:500:26:55

They loved her, they would always insist that she was on their bills.

0:26:550:27:00

It actually made sound sense because if you think about it

0:27:000:27:03

there would be no clash, they did comedy, she did music.

0:27:030:27:07

Although they would have appealed to the same

0:27:070:27:10

kind of audience, middle of the road audience.

0:27:100:27:12

Yes, she was Eric and Ernie's favourite act.

0:27:120:27:15

I'm going to put it down there, stand on it, and I'm the same height as you.

0:27:150:27:18

LAUGHTER

0:27:180:27:20

I'd not stand for that Glad, if I were you.

0:27:200:27:23

Tell you what, if you want a laugh, roll on him.

0:27:230:27:25

LAUGHTER

0:27:250:27:28

What I did think was brilliant, they totally ridiculed

0:27:280:27:31

her like they did with every act but it was all about her weight

0:27:310:27:34

and nowadays on television they wouldn't...that's not PC, is it?

0:27:340:27:37

So they wouldn't necessarily do that.

0:27:370:27:40

But she just goes along with it and laughs all the way through and they

0:27:400:27:43

keep laughing with her so she has an infectious laugh, so you can see why

0:27:430:27:47

people at the time would have really enjoyed watching her on television.

0:27:470:27:52

-Don't be rude.

-I won't be rude.

0:27:520:27:55

-Where's the piano?

-You hungry?

0:27:550:27:57

She didn't care whether she was cool or uncool.

0:27:590:28:02

She was quite happy with her image and very happy with her appearance,

0:28:020:28:07

her size, shape, she didn't care two hoots whether other people

0:28:070:28:11

poked fun at her. She was enjoying herself.

0:28:110:28:13

You have to admire her for that.

0:28:130:28:15

-What are you going to play?

-I'm very glad, Glad.

0:28:150:28:17

-Something bright and jolly.

-Something bright and jolly.

0:28:170:28:20

There's a thought. Before you go, love, give us a laugh.

0:28:200:28:23

-One of the specials, before you go.

-You can't laugh to order.

0:28:230:28:27

Think of him stripped!

0:28:270:28:29

Her laughter was almost legendary and you can't hear Mrs Mills laugh

0:28:330:28:39

without...even me thinking of it now...you can't think of her

0:28:390:28:44

kind of laugh without immediately wanting to join in.

0:28:440:28:48

She used to say laugh and grow fat and it works.

0:28:480:28:51

She used to say, she did!

0:28:510:28:52

No, she didn't bother. When she was doing her first pantomime

0:28:550:28:58

and she played Fair Enough and she had a wand, obviously,

0:28:580:29:02

and she'd be waving the wand and they'd put weights in the end,

0:29:020:29:06

so every time she lifted it up it fell down and things like that.

0:29:060:29:09

People have always played tricks, but they knew she'd just

0:29:090:29:12

laugh about it you see, she'd just roar with laughter.

0:29:120:29:15

Did you find it difficult being rather plump? What about clothes?

0:29:150:29:19

I don't have any problem at all

0:29:190:29:20

because I've got a dear little lady that makes everything for me.

0:29:200:29:25

-By the way, do you like this?

-Very much.

0:29:250:29:27

I got that from Rent-a-Tent.

0:29:270:29:30

She didn't come in small, bless her, but that was part of her charm

0:29:300:29:33

and she had this wonderful smile and even though she wasn't that

0:29:330:29:39

old then, I can remember thinking of her as the sort of granny or

0:29:390:29:45

auntie or the lady next door, you'd like to have.

0:29:450:29:50

She had that great art of turning and smiling,

0:29:500:29:56

so she'd be playing away and then she'd...

0:29:560:29:58

JAZZ STYLE MUSIC

0:29:580:30:02

When she first started releasing records with EMI, she was

0:30:150:30:18

so worried that she wasn't a star, somebody who wasn't deserving

0:30:180:30:24

of this fame, that she actually refused to give up work and she

0:30:240:30:27

used to come into Abbey Road during her lunch hour to record the records.

0:30:270:30:30

I said I couldn't come into show business and give up my job

0:30:300:30:33

and my pension.

0:30:330:30:34

-What job?

-I was a civil servant in the Treasury.

0:30:340:30:38

-Were you?

-Yes.

0:30:380:30:39

-You're happy you did it now?

-What? I should think I am.

0:30:390:30:43

I've never looked back and I've had a ball, I really have.

0:30:430:30:46

The notion that she could make a living being an entertainer,

0:30:460:30:49

I think was a little foreign to her. It took a few years to convince her.

0:30:490:30:53

It was only after she reached the top 20 that EMI turned round

0:30:530:30:56

and said you absolutely need to leave your job

0:30:560:30:59

and be a full-time entertainer and that's when she did.

0:30:590:31:02

She was probably about the least showbizzy person I've ever met.

0:31:020:31:06

Her appeal really was her ordinariness

0:31:060:31:08

and whilst everyone's quaffing champagne and canapes,

0:31:080:31:12

all she really wanted was a cup of tea and a biscuit.

0:31:120:31:15

She was very grounded and very down to earth

0:31:150:31:19

and I think that's what people liked about her.

0:31:190:31:22

When I first came into show business, yes, I was quite alarmed.

0:31:220:31:26

In fact, I went to a very exclusive restaurant with Geoff Love

0:31:260:31:30

and my recording manager Norman Newell,

0:31:300:31:32

and we were sitting by a little table where the head waiter was

0:31:320:31:37

making a crepe...I learned afterwards it was Crepe Suzette.

0:31:370:31:42

And suddenly it burst into flames.

0:31:420:31:45

I felt ever so sorry for him and I said, "Never mind, love."

0:31:450:31:49

LAUGHTER

0:31:490:31:52

I said this has happened to me at home with the chips!

0:31:520:31:56

I mean for many years she remained living in a modest

0:32:030:32:05

maisonette in Loughton - she was a household name by then.

0:32:050:32:09

But she was always very, very ordinary, she'd speak to anyone,

0:32:090:32:13

there were no airs or graces with her.

0:32:130:32:16

She was just a lovely ordinary woman who just enjoyed making people

0:32:160:32:19

happy with her music.

0:32:190:32:21

She was just pure entertainment, that's what it was,

0:32:210:32:24

and it was always a smile, I mean some of the songs

0:32:240:32:27

she used to do was very much a reflection of who this woman was.

0:32:270:32:30

I've some written here.

0:32:300:32:32

She'd go Ain't It A Grand And Glorious Feeling

0:32:320:32:34

into Yes That's My Baby,

0:32:340:32:36

straight into... here's a great one...

0:32:360:32:39

Powder Your Face With Sunshine.

0:32:390:32:40

You see. Only Mrs Mills could do that.

0:32:400:32:43

And there she was, a contemporary of The Beatles.

0:32:430:32:45

She's absolutely in the tradition of British music hall performers.

0:32:450:32:50

These were performers like Marie Lloyd, Lily Morris

0:32:500:32:55

and Florrie Ford -

0:32:550:32:56

their songs in the music hall had choruses in which

0:32:560:33:00

everybody joined in and sang along

0:33:000:33:03

so many of the songs that Mrs Mills played were, in fact,

0:33:030:33:06

those music hall songs - Oh, Oh Antonio,

0:33:060:33:08

Don't Dilly Dally On The Way

0:33:080:33:11

and songs like that, they go back to those music hall ladies.

0:33:110:33:14

MUSIC: "My Old Man" by Leigh and Collins

0:33:140:33:20

What she did cleverly or her manager Norman Newell cleverly did was

0:33:330:33:37

pepper her records with old fashioned songs like Cockney numbers

0:33:370:33:41

and then he'd pop in a hit of the day, like one record at home

0:33:410:33:46

where the first track is Save All Your Kisses For Me

0:33:460:33:48

which is one of the Eurovision Song Contest hits and Congratulations

0:33:480:33:52

and I think there's the odd Beatles song on one here and there as well.

0:33:520:33:56

I think they tried to market it for everybody.

0:33:560:33:59

MUSIC: "Yellow Submarine" by Lennon & McCartney

0:33:590:34:03

The track listings seem to be put together it's like demented.

0:34:070:34:12

This is clearly 1976, '77.

0:34:120:34:16

And you go from Save Your Kisses For Me

0:34:180:34:20

a recent hit, to How Much Is That Doggy In The Window,

0:34:200:34:24

Blueberry Hill,

0:34:240:34:25

Consider Yourself... I mean it's all over the shop.

0:34:250:34:29

Sheik Of Araby, Trail Of The Lonesome Pine, Cabaret...erm...

0:34:290:34:36

# Yellow submarine, yellow submarine. #

0:34:360:34:41

Piano was always notoriously hard to record.

0:34:450:34:48

If you listen to a lot of early recordings of pianos they either

0:34:480:34:52

sound incredibly woolly or they got a little bit of reverberation,

0:34:520:34:56

a little bit of wooooo...the way they play the notes are not clear.

0:34:560:34:59

By the time Gladys had come along, they'd sorted all that out

0:35:020:35:06

so you could actually have a sort of a piano sound that you hadn't heard before.

0:35:060:35:11

Just how did Mrs Mills achieve that distinctive piano sound?

0:35:130:35:18

The answer lies in the studio where Mrs Mills,

0:35:180:35:20

along with one or two other bands, recorded all her hits.

0:35:200:35:24

I've been here for about 10 years

0:35:270:35:29

and the first time I saw that piano,

0:35:290:35:31

I was like, "What's that piano?" "That's the Mrs Mills piano"

0:35:310:35:34

so it's carried on the tradition

0:35:340:35:36

and I guess it will always be known as the Mrs Mills piano.

0:35:360:35:39

Whether people who talk of the Mrs Mills piano know exactly who Mrs Mills is, I don't know.

0:35:390:35:45

You have to go and do your research, I suppose,

0:35:450:35:47

because I don't think everyone is fully aware of the history

0:35:470:35:51

and the background and as to why, but it's just known as Mrs Mills'.

0:35:510:35:57

To create the distinctive honky-tonk sound, the piano was subtly adjusted

0:35:570:36:02

by an Abbey Road pop engineer, and has remained that way ever since.

0:36:020:36:07

To get a more metallic sound, they decided to try

0:36:080:36:11

and put a lacquer on the hammers here, which seeps into the material

0:36:110:36:17

and toughens up the hammer and you get a more metallic percussive sound.

0:36:170:36:22

Which sounds very different to how a grand piano would sound for example,

0:36:250:36:29

which is very lush and beautiful. This is more edgy.

0:36:290:36:33

And another thing they tried was to get more of a chorusy effect.

0:36:330:36:40

You see these - each hammer strikes three strings

0:36:420:36:44

and they would tune the piano traditionally as you'd tune a piano,

0:36:440:36:47

and then once they'd done that, they would just take the centre string

0:36:470:36:52

and just knock it slightly out.

0:36:520:36:54

Not too far, so it's still harmonically in tune

0:36:540:36:57

but it still has that unusual sound.

0:36:570:37:01

The best way to describe it in modern day would be like a chorusing effect.

0:37:010:37:06

I'll give you a little demonstration of how it sounds now

0:37:060:37:11

in the style of Mrs Mills - bashing!

0:37:110:37:14

I don't think any of the honky-tonk pianos I've encountered have ever been quite the same as this one.

0:37:290:37:34

This one has a certain magic and also I'm very aware of its history.

0:37:340:37:39

It's great to play it and know that so many hit records have been made on this instrument.

0:37:390:37:45

Despite giving it her name,

0:37:450:37:47

Mrs Mills was by no means the only musician to play the piano.

0:37:470:37:51

# Every head he's had the pleasure to know

0:37:510:37:54

# And all the people that come and go stop and say hello

0:37:540:38:00

# On the corner... #

0:38:030:38:05

The Beatles were looking for new sounds, something slightly unusual

0:38:050:38:09

so they'd look around and see what was available at the studios

0:38:090:38:12

and they had things like mellotrons and various other upright pianos

0:38:120:38:16

and organs and celestes and things like that

0:38:160:38:19

so again this was just an instrument that was around and it was like, "Ooh, let's try that out

0:38:190:38:23

"and see what it sounds like and if it works, it works."

0:38:230:38:27

You can hear it quite clearly on Penny Lane,

0:38:310:38:35

and also With A Little Help From My Friends.

0:38:350:38:38

# What would you think if I sang out of tune?

0:38:380:38:42

# Would you stand up and walk out on me? #

0:38:420:38:45

I know they all liked her, funnily enough. They all liked Mrs Mills.

0:38:460:38:51

They didn't mind she played a different kind of music to them.

0:38:510:38:54

They liked her, they quite liked her music.

0:38:540:38:58

She was a very popular lady.

0:38:580:39:01

She was actually on the very same label as The Beatles -

0:39:030:39:05

she was on Parlophone, you know,

0:39:050:39:08

and so to have the two of them sort of on the same... under the same banner

0:39:080:39:14

is just extraordinary really, when you come to think about it.

0:39:140:39:17

That was part, of course, of the breadth of EMI's catalogue.

0:39:230:39:26

For example, George Martin, who was the man that signed the Beatles, was recording comedy records.

0:39:260:39:31

-# You've got to go out

-He's going to go home!

-You've got to go out

0:39:310:39:35

-# He's going to go home!

-You've got to go ah-ha-ha-ha-hoy if you want to go out... #

0:39:350:39:40

Those records were hugely successful

0:39:400:39:42

and George then took a punt on The Beatles as a pop act.

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A new era had started where record companies were just signing up so many different things,

0:39:460:39:51

throwing it all out there and seeing what worked,

0:39:510:39:55

and most, if not all of the labels, had a real diversity of people on board.

0:39:550:40:00

Everything from crooners to rock bands

0:40:000:40:03

and some had started to get sort of much heavier bands and things involved as well.

0:40:030:40:08

So nobody would have found it strange to have had strange bedfellows like John Lennon and Mrs Mills.

0:40:080:40:16

In fact you never know, it might have happened one day.

0:40:160:40:20

The other thing to bear in mind is that she would have been cheap!

0:40:200:40:26

Because she's her own entertainment - the piano and sometimes she puts in the voices herself,

0:40:260:40:33

and even when other people are brought in to join in choruses,

0:40:330:40:37

they're clearly not specialised singers.

0:40:370:40:39

It's just rounding people up and having a good old party time

0:40:390:40:44

so enormous costs were not entailed in recording her albums.

0:40:440:40:50

The tradition of popular pianists

0:40:510:40:54

goes back to, and just talking about the post-war period,

0:40:540:40:58

Charlie Kunz, who played the sort of music that Mrs Mills played.

0:40:580:41:02

And on EMI of course there was a very successful pianist called Russ Conway.

0:41:090:41:13

He was opposite to Gladys, he never smiled.

0:41:190:41:21

He just always looked thoroughly miserable.

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And EMI's principal opposition was a woman called Winifred Atwell, a magnificent pianist.

0:41:290:41:34

Winifred Atwell was known for pieces such as The Black And White Rag

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which was used for the theme tune on Pot Black, which is a snooker programme.

0:41:530:41:58

If I play a short extract from that, it's much more...

0:41:580:42:01

much more sort of in your face, if you like.

0:42:010:42:04

So it was much more fast and kind of erm, you know, complicated,

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and people would look at it and be wowed by the technicalities of it.

0:42:250:42:28

Mrs Mills tended to put a slightly simpler approach to her music.

0:42:280:42:33

Whilst it was very technically demanding,

0:42:330:42:35

it had a more simplistic feel to it

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and I think that's kind of summed up with things like her record of Good Morning, for example.

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The tune really stands out.

0:42:450:42:47

It's still obviously technically quite challenging,

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but the tune stands out as quite simple and I think that's what was the success

0:42:500:42:54

so something like Mrs Mills' arrangement of Good Morning would go:

0:42:540:42:57

Glad was always "the honky-tonk pianist"

0:43:230:43:26

but you very rarely heard her play ballads or anything floaty

0:43:260:43:30

whereas Russ Conway had his concerto albums and his pop albums as well

0:43:300:43:36

because he covered quite a lot of the pop hits of the day,

0:43:360:43:40

whereas Glad was much more hemmed in to the sing-along style.

0:43:400:43:44

There was a feeling when she first started recording that this had been done before by other pianists,

0:43:440:43:49

but Mrs Mills actually stands out quite differently from the other people

0:43:490:43:54

in the sense that she actually kept her style very true to what she did.

0:43:540:44:00

She didn't try to be anything else

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whereas some of the other pianists were experimenting with different styles

0:44:010:44:05

and trying to change their careers to fit in with trends.

0:44:050:44:08

Mrs Mills always remained the same, you know,

0:44:080:44:10

she came in and she did what she did best from the start to the end,

0:44:100:44:13

and her career remained like that.

0:44:130:44:16

She was very welcoming to me because I came on the scene in the early '70s

0:44:280:44:35

and I would have been a rival, if you like,

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and somebody that might have taken work away from her

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because I was the new piano player on the block and everything,

0:44:420:44:45

but she was really nice and said, "Oh, there's room for us all in the business.

0:44:450:44:49

"You have your audience and I have mine."

0:44:490:44:52

She said, "You'll do really, really well for yourself." She was very, very nice and very encouraging.

0:44:520:44:57

It seems as though every decade sort of throws up a couple of popular pianists.

0:45:080:45:12

In the '50s of course it was Winifred Atwell and Joe Henderson.

0:45:120:45:16

'60s, Glad and Russ,

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and I came along of course in the next decade.

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I came in the '70s along with Richard Clayderman.

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And then it kind of stopped after that

0:45:290:45:31

because people kind of stopped listening to honky-tonk piano playing.

0:45:310:45:35

Her style of playing may be out of fashion now

0:45:350:45:39

and her recordings hard to come by,

0:45:390:45:41

but there's one thing about Mrs Mills's records that never fails to strike a chord.

0:45:410:45:46

If you don't know what she looks like,

0:45:460:45:48

you just hear the recordings,

0:45:480:45:50

then all I can say is that you're hearing this wonderful piano playing that has got so much life

0:45:500:45:56

and fun about it, you just want to know who this person is playing it

0:45:560:45:59

because the personality comes across so well just from listening to it

0:45:590:46:03

and then suddenly you see a record cover

0:46:030:46:05

and you go, "Oh, my goodness, of course,

0:46:050:46:07

"it's got to be somebody who's a big fat bubbly person like that with candy floss hair."

0:46:070:46:12

I believe a lot of people collect the albums specifically for the sleeves.

0:46:120:46:16

Yeah, I can understand people going for the covers,

0:46:160:46:19

but they don't go for the records!

0:46:190:46:22

I just love Mrs Mills's album covers.

0:46:230:46:25

They remind me of a sort of Carry On album cover

0:46:250:46:29

from the Carry On films, just having a great time.

0:46:290:46:33

I love the one where she looks like she's at the beach

0:46:330:46:37

and all kind of posing as if you're having those photos taken on the beach.

0:46:370:46:41

It's just great fun, I love them.

0:46:410:46:43

This album might appeal to someone who had quite a high threshold for kitsch.

0:46:430:46:47

They're kitsch and they're lovely.

0:46:470:46:49

At the time we hated them, but now we love them.

0:46:490:46:52

Her album covers are fantastic.

0:46:530:46:56

I think one of the things about Glad is that she had a terrific sense of humour,

0:46:560:47:03

and she was put in all kinds of situations for her album sleeves and went along with every one.

0:47:030:47:09

This is probably a little bit cruel

0:47:090:47:11

because is the elephant a plump animal like Mrs Mills is?

0:47:110:47:15

She wasn't the kind of artist who had an image to maintain for youth

0:47:160:47:23

and the coolness, you know, it was just her and her great zest for life

0:47:230:47:28

and her music, and it really matched her image.

0:47:280:47:31

You know, somebody who was fun to work with.

0:47:310:47:33

She played uplifting fun music

0:47:330:47:35

and the LP covers were sort of there to match that.

0:47:350:47:38

It was blatant in your face.

0:47:380:47:41

This is what you're going to get, this is what it sounds like,

0:47:410:47:43

and this picture of the people on the front was a picture of you when you play this record.

0:47:430:47:48

You'll be all sitting and having a good time, enjoying yourselves and singing along with Gladys.

0:47:480:47:54

Party. Party is used all the way.

0:47:540:47:57

How many different words and phrases of the party can they use?

0:47:570:48:00

Party Mixture, Party Singalong, Party Pieces, Welcome To My Party,

0:48:000:48:05

Come To My Party, Mrs Mills' Party, All-time Party Dances.

0:48:050:48:11

Gosh, I know rather a lot, don't I? It's a bit scary.

0:48:110:48:14

I mean I can't say the album titles had an awful lot of thought given to them.

0:48:140:48:19

Mrs Mills Plays The Roaring Twenties. That took a bit of brainstorming.

0:48:190:48:25

That's just called Mrs Mills.

0:48:250:48:27

Mrs Mills' Knees Up Party. Yep.

0:48:270:48:31

She didn't have an equivalent of like Frank Sinatra's suicide albums or anything like that, you know.

0:48:310:48:36

There was no kind of "Mrs Mills Plays Songs For The Lonesome" or anything like that.

0:48:360:48:41

It was just...parties.

0:48:410:48:45

She wasn't averse to making a complete fool of herself, was she?

0:48:450:48:49

And that's why people loved her.

0:48:490:48:51

Any Time Is Party Time, well that's a truism.

0:48:510:48:55

It's just half a dozen shots of Mrs Mills with different hats on.

0:48:550:49:00

Nothing more, nothing less.

0:49:000:49:01

It's party time, so party means wearing hats, plain and simple.

0:49:010:49:06

I don't know what to say about that. Erm...

0:49:080:49:11

1967, my goodness.

0:49:130:49:15

By then you would have thought they would have put an album cover designer on it

0:49:150:49:19

but obviously they were far too ashamed.

0:49:190:49:22

Filed under pop instrumental and popular. There you go, popular.

0:49:220:49:27

This is 1967, the same year that Sergeant Pepper came out. Amazing.

0:49:270:49:32

Also, it's a weird thing for a pianist to call her album.

0:49:320:49:38

She's blatantly not...blatantly not playing it with her nose,

0:49:380:49:42

so why would you say that?

0:49:420:49:44

By the '70s, the corniness really was becoming corny.

0:49:440:49:48

It's not even kitsch any more, this cover.

0:49:480:49:50

It's just a slightly boring picture of her with penguins.

0:49:500:49:53

Also, what kind of party is it?

0:49:570:49:59

Is it art? Yes, of course it is. Yes.

0:50:020:50:05

Is it good art? That's for you to decide.

0:50:050:50:08

Another Flippin' Party. It's like... Unless...

0:50:080:50:14

Once again I don't really understand the scenario that's being depicted here.

0:50:150:50:20

The one to me that doesn't work - that's not Mrs Mills.

0:50:200:50:25

That's a woman about to go in the church and play the organ. No.

0:50:250:50:28

In those days when there were 12 inch LPs,

0:50:280:50:32

it had to catch your eye as soon as you walked into a record shop.

0:50:320:50:35

You had to see it right across the record shop

0:50:350:50:37

so, unlike today where you buy your music online or download it or what have you,

0:50:370:50:43

but in those days it had to be eye-grabbing, attention-grabbing.

0:50:430:50:48

That's what makes a good cover.

0:50:480:50:50

You look at all her album covers and every one is a little gem,

0:50:500:50:54

but they're all so bad they're good.

0:50:540:50:57

There's not one Mrs Mills album you go, "That's not a very good one."

0:50:570:51:00

This one's as good as that one, as good as that one.

0:51:000:51:03

They're all great...in a bad way.

0:51:030:51:07

MRS MILLS: Famous, go on with you!

0:51:100:51:12

I now look back and I've had a ball.

0:51:120:51:15

Now we're all ready for a little singalong. You'll all join in, won't you?

0:51:170:51:21

-You just can't laugh to order.

-ERIC MORECAMBE: Think of him, stripped.

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Despite changing tastes in music

0:51:290:51:32

and an appeal rooted firmly in yesteryear,

0:51:320:51:34

Mrs Mills had a recording contract with EMI until the day she died in 1978.

0:51:340:51:40

30 years after her death, when old has become vintage

0:51:440:51:47

and vintage is the latest thing, is there still a place for Mrs Mills on our iPods?

0:51:470:51:52

A new generation of musicians certainly think so.

0:51:520:51:57

For me, I like her because she's fun,

0:51:570:51:59

and in an age where everything is retro and careful and calculated,

0:51:590:52:03

what I like about her, it's proper working class entertainment.

0:52:030:52:06

There's no airs and graces, it's just fun.

0:52:060:52:08

It's not about the actual music itself,

0:52:080:52:11

it's about this is the music that brings families together,

0:52:110:52:14

puts people in the street for street parties, you know?

0:52:140:52:17

So I think because there's been a lot of that with the Jubilee and everything,

0:52:170:52:20

I think people have started to think "Yeah, this is all right. We'll get back to doing this."

0:52:200:52:24

It's not about trying to be clever or ironic or pleasing to hipsters

0:52:240:52:28

and looking cool, it's about good old-fashioned entertainment.

0:52:280:52:31

# Roll out the barrel

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# We'll have a barrel of fun

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# Roll out the barrel... #

0:52:410:52:46

Gladys Mills might be old,

0:52:460:52:49

the music might be old she plays, on paper,

0:52:490:52:53

and the sound might be old on paper,

0:52:530:52:56

but if you got one of her records

0:52:560:52:59

and you played it to a 15-year-old kid, that's brand-new to him or her.

0:52:590:53:07

They've never heard it before. It's brand spanking new.

0:53:070:53:11

Er, and we forget that sometimes.

0:53:110:53:14

# Roll out the barrel

0:53:140:53:19

# We'll have a barrel of fun... #

0:53:190:53:21

I think there's always a place for somebody that can supply, effortlessly, the atmosphere

0:53:230:53:29

of good times, good fun, and you know, as we've said, a knees up.

0:53:290:53:34

If you go to a pub and someone's playing the piano

0:53:340:53:38

and it's all jolly and all that, in a groovy madness sort of way,

0:53:380:53:41

it just gives a good feeling to the place.

0:53:410:53:45

It gives the whole thing a lift, and that's what Mrs Mills did. She gave everyone a lift.

0:53:450:53:48

I was chatting to a 22-year-old guy after the gig,

0:53:570:54:01

and he said, "You started and you were playing Roll Out The Barrel

0:54:010:54:04

"and all of a sudden I started singing along

0:54:040:54:06

"and I have no idea how or why I know the words to that song!" But he absolutely loved it.

0:54:060:54:11

You've only got to look at the kind of music that was played

0:54:200:54:22

at all the street parties for the Jubilee celebrations

0:54:220:54:25

to realise that they are the kind of songs that people want to hear

0:54:250:54:30

in that kind of situation

0:54:300:54:32

and I can bet that up and down the country there were a lot of ghetto blasters who were playing Mrs Mills.

0:54:320:54:41

I think her style of playing is absolutely timeless.

0:54:430:54:47

As a pianist myself, if I've played in venues and people say, "Oh, play this song, play that,"

0:54:470:54:52

and I always play it in the Mrs Mills style, you know, the strong rhythmic left hand,

0:54:520:54:56

and people absolutely love it. They love it because they recognise the tunes.

0:54:560:55:00

It's got a good beat and they can sing to it

0:55:000:55:03

and I think that type of entertainment will never die.

0:55:030:55:06

-APPLAUSE

-Yoo-hoo!

0:55:060:55:10

Now we're all ready for a little sing along and you'll all join in, won't you?

0:55:100:55:14

-ALL: Yes!

-27 of us?

0:55:140:55:16

I know you will because you know them all. So here we go then!

0:55:160:55:20

It's hard to know whether Mrs Mills would have survived today.

0:55:270:55:31

Erm, she might now, funnily enough,

0:55:310:55:35

because there is such openness to all the different kinds of music and people are interested.

0:55:350:55:40

10 years ago, not a hope in hell.

0:55:400:55:43

There was a woman on Britain's Got Talent on last year, maybe last year?

0:55:460:55:53

It was this jolly woman who played like a medley from Grease on the erm...

0:55:530:55:59

Grease the musical, rather than the land of my forefathers - on an electric organ.

0:55:590:56:05

I suppose there was an element of that but these people never actually win.

0:56:050:56:10

Mrs Mills would not be picked up by EMI today,

0:56:150:56:18

I'm absolutely sure because I believe there's almost no market at all

0:56:180:56:22

for that kind of party sing along music.

0:56:220:56:25

That's not to say that a miracle might not happen

0:56:250:56:28

and suddenly the public might get an appetite for it. Who knows?

0:56:280:56:31

There might be a programme on television, like this very programme.

0:56:310:56:34

Could you imagine somebody playing like a Lady Gaga hit

0:56:380:56:41

or a Madonna hit or a Take That song in the style of Mrs Mills?

0:56:410:56:44

Wouldn't that be fun? Yeah, why not? Do it!

0:56:440:56:47

I think that there's something about it that those of us of a certain age

0:56:550:57:00

probably have a soft spot for, a fond memory,

0:57:000:57:05

and nostalgia has a funny way of showing up again in another form.

0:57:050:57:11

But I don't...there'll never be another Glad.

0:57:110:57:14

# My old man said follow the van

0:57:230:57:28

# And don't dilly dally on the way

0:57:280:57:32

# Off went the van with me home packed in it

0:57:320:57:37

# I followed on with me old cock linnet

0:57:370:57:42

# But I dillied and dallied

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# Dallied and I dillied

0:57:440:57:47

# Lost me way and don't know where to roam

0:57:470:57:52

# Well you can't trust a special like the old time coppers

0:57:520:57:56

# When you can't find your way home. #

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