Richard Thompson: Solitary Life


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In the music business,

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if you're not a self-promoting megalomaniac, you don't fit in.

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For 35 years, Richard Thompson has been one of our best-kept secrets,

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a teenage founder of Fairport Convention in England's hippy era.

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He was the guy who kicked folk music's ass.

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In the late '60s, Richard and Fairport invented folk rock.

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# I'm never gonna run away... #

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As a duo with his wife, Linda, Richard confronted the early '70s with songs of spiritual yearning.

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It's a very spiritual thing to play music, at any level.

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# Shoot out the lights... #

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Since parting with Linda in 1981, Richard has pursued an acclaimed solo career from California.

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He leads a very interesting path through this show-business world,

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manoeuvring his ship independent of that slag heap most of us are in!

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# It's a Vincent Black Lightning, 1952... #

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I won't call him the English Bob Dylan - more vice versa.

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I was a shy kid. To get on a stage, expressing myself was a revelation.

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Hello! I'm over here!

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He's one of the most engaging personas in music. He doesn't seem impressed with himself on stage,

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which is so un-rock'n'roll.

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This is a real suburb - a classic American suburb.

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This was a middle-income area, but it's going up, up, up,

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with people like me moving in!

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You feel like saying, "God, look at those hideous windows!"

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"She's left her laundry out again!"

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Oh, a hideous new fence! It's the same as ours!

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It's a love-hate thing with the suburbs.

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The suburbs I grew up in were very, very dull. But it was a very dull time.

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# Sometimes I long for the solitary life

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# Parents long gone No kids, no wife

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# Sister somewhere in Australia

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# Never did keep in touch

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# Sex no more than a how-d'you-do

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# And a copy of Titbits in the loo

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# At work considered a bit of a failure Don't seem to try too much

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# A solitary life... #

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He was my slightly younger brother. Richard was shy.

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He played for hours with soldiers, all his armies out on the floor.

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He was... He liked trainspotting.

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I was just very shy as a kid.

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I was really kind of a social cripple,

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and I think my music was an escape.

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# ..Railway, soldiers in lead

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# Join the suburban boffins of Britain Experts on trivial things... #

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Yeah, my...my father's Scottish, and, um...

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and culturally our house was quite Scottish - lots of Scottish music.

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I love pipe music, that kind of...

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Our father was very strict -

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authoritarian, Scottish, a Scotland Yard detective...

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..who we were rather afraid of.

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I used to stutter as a child, and I still do, in stressful situations -

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talking to the Inland Revenue or something!

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The stuttering Richard, I think,

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was a reaction to the strictness and, you know, this dominant father.

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My father would tell him, "Stop stuttering!" which makes it worse.

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And of course singing - you don't stutter when you sing.

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# I said, kidzz

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# Do you do what your teacher tells you?

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# Do you do what your momma say?

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# Are you goody-two-shoes? I like you that way Like you that way... #

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The first rock'n'roll I heard was probably Bill Haley. My sister had good records - Buddy Holly,

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Jerry Lee Lewis records, Everly Brothers records.

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I do remember it having an impact on my brain.

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# Don't make trouble Thinking for yourself

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# Don't make trouble Thinking for yourself... #

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After World War II, the generation that fought the war really wanted to settle down to a safe life.

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For kids, it was a bit stifling. The generation really took to rebellious music, rock'n'roll.

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It makes you wanna dance and slash cinema seats!

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# Kidzz We scoop you like guacamole

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# We suck out your brains like toothpaste

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# We gobble you down like teenage casserole, teenage casserole... #

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I've still got a quiff! You can't quite see it.

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'As soon as I was really able to get my hands on a instrument, I tried to play.'

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My boyfriends would come and collect me to take me out,

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and I was, of course, never ready,

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so they'd strum along with Richard on his guitar.

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That was when he started playing.

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# Oh, kidzz Ah, kidzz. #

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I can't say my parents approved of playing music.

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I think they were probably worried.

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My mum only gave up on me getting a proper job about five years ago.

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Finally, she thinks it's legit, you know?

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My dad was quite torn - he was a policeman, but a guitar player too,

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so he loved the idea that I played the guitar and actually listened to his Django Reinhardt records.

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Influenced by his dad's guitar playing and records,

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Richard developed an eclectic musical taste way beyond his years.

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Richard's talents began to find expression

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in this fairly ordinary-looking suburban house in Muswell Hill.

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Here we are - the old place.

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It was my family home at the time the band came together.

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We were renting it out, and a series of people passed through it,

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amongst them Ashley Hutchings.

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I had a room on the second floor,

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which I painted red entirely -

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the walls, the ceiling, everything. It WAS 1967.

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And a neighbour of Ashley's was in the same class as Richard at school,

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and through him, Richard was introduced into this sort of coterie of floating musicians.

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When I started to play in the band with Simon and Ashley,

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this was a logical rehearsal space.

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It was first floor - I'm not sure which window.

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GUITAR SOLO

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Richard would be playing these fantastic solos at 15, 16 years old.

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He would stand stock still, and barely a movement of the head.

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He seemed to show no emotion.

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Um...it was all coming through the fingers.

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Like any newly-formed band, they needed a name -

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befitting the times, preferably one with at least six syllables.

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We convened there, so it was Fairport Convention.

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We took the name in May of 1967, Fairport Convention, and, um...

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within three months or so we'd signed a recording contract.

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It was a very happening period.

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# Hey, come and make music... #

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The psychedelic clubs sprang up. The UFO club was the main one.

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They'd have a light show or two or three,

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the projector and the bubbly things going, lava lamps everywhere.

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There were people smoking banana skins and we thought, "Wow, this is really far out!"

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One time when we were playing at the UFO Club with, um...

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Pink Floyd, Joe Boyd came down to see us.

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There was this group of very nice Muswell Hill grammar school boys

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and a girl,

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playing American music -

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Leonard Cohen songs and Richard Farina songs and Bob Dylan songs,

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all being done in a kind of West Coasty rock style.

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# And there ain't no time like the time that you're wasting

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# And you waste just about what you choose

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# There's a man at the table and you know he's been able

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# To return all the odds that you lay

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# And you can't feed your hunger And you ain't getting younger

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# And your tongue ain't got nothing to say... #

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'And then came the guitar solo, and Richard played an amazing solo.'

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He played a solo which quotes from Django, from Charlie Christian...

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you know, an incredibly sophisticated little solo.

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And that really amazed me - the breadth of his sophistication.

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On stage, Richard was very shy.

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He didn't talk a lot.

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He seemed very serious and absorbed

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and he was kind of hunched over his guitar, concentrated on his music.

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And Richard was aged 17.

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So...at the end of the gig I was in the dressing room, saying, "Would you guys like to make a record?"

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Fairport Convention's first records were hip enough, though they didn't exactly set the charts alight.

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But these were some of the best times for what was fast becoming a rollicking good-time band,

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playing universities and festivals all over the country.

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These were the days when beer money, or whatever other substances you purchased with it,

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actually seemed to be enough.

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Richard was rapidly emerging as the main writer in the band,

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alongside new vocalist Sandy Denny.

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Although it was the era of peace, love and brown rice,

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his songs already possessed a weary fatalism.

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When I was singing his songs,

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he was developing his style, learning his art.

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He spent a lot of time in his room, writing songs.

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I think the special ones at that time were few and far between.

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But Meet On The Ledge was a very special song.

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# We used to say There'd come the day

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# We'd all be making songs

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# Or finding better words

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# These ideas never lasted long... #

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# The way is up

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# Along the road

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# The air is growing thin

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# Too many friends who tried

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# Swept off this mountain with the wind

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# Meet on the ledge We're going to meet on the ledge

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# When my time is up

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# I'm going to see all my friends... #

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# Meet on the ledge

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# We're going to meet on the ledge

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# If you really mean it

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# It all comes around again... #

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'I always thought of a ledge as a ledge you jump off,

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'a ledge you stand on prior to jumping so that people can talk you down...or not.'

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What he's saying is it's a risky business being alive.

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It's...this is...

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This is all a sham.

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This is all paper-thin. It could go tomorrow.

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# Meet on the ledge

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# We're going to meet on the ledge

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# When my time is up

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# I'm going to see all of my friends

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# Meet on the ledge

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# We're going to meet on the ledge

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# If you really mean it

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# It all comes round again. #

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"The way is up, along the road, the air is getting thin.

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"Too many friends who died,

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"blown off this mountain with the wind.

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"Meet on the ledge."

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It's about music and artists -

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how people just give themselves to what they've got to do, and...

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..get blown away by it sometimes.

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Either drink, drugs or insanity...

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..or just lousy, lousy luck.

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It was just another drive home after a gig -

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a Birmingham club called Mother's that we'd done numerous times.

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We drove back to London after shows.

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And Harvey, our tour manager,

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had been ill all day with an upset stomach,

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was definitely not feeling himself,

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and nobody really knows what caused it, but he lost control of the vehicle.

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I was sitting in the front and awake, so I saw it all happen.

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Um...very scary. The van somersaulted.

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I was out. We were all out - out the windows, out the doors.

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When I came to, minutes later,

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I was the only person left inside the van. Everybody else was ejected.

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The crash caused the deaths of drummer Martin Lamble

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and Richard's girlfriend, designer Jeannie Franklyn.

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You question your theories of existence when young people die.

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It's a very hard thing to bear. You look for the meaning in that.

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And the answers aren't easy. When people die, you miss them,

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you know?

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# Oh, oh

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# Helpless and slow... #

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When Unhalfbricking - the band's third LP, recorded before the crash - was released,

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the remaining Fairports considered whether they still had a future.

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We were so shaken up, it was very hard to see sense at the time,

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and I think we resolved at that point to really...

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to kind of reinvent ourselves as interpreters of traditional music.

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We conceived Liege And Lief

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to explore the world of the traditional song as interpreted by a young English rock'n'roll band,

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and make centuries-old songs sound like they were written yesterday,

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and also to make new songs sound hundreds of years old.

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We went down into the countryside, into Hampshire,

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and our manager, Joe Boyd, rented a lovely Queen Anne house,

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and that's where we started to form folk-rock music.

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# Come all ye roving minstrels

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# And together we'll try... #

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Fairport, already joined by Sandy Denny, the great folk singer,

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had now enlisted Dave Swarbrick,

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the folk scene's leading fiddle player.

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Although influenced by the American roots music of the Band,

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amongst others, Fairport looked to the traditions and mysteries in their own back garden.

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# "Well, tell me now, young Tamlyn," she says, "if a mortal man you be?"

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# "I'll tell you no lies, sweet Margaret,

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# "I was christened as good as thee, as thee

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# "I was christened as good as thee." #

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We thought when we did electric versions of traditional tunes

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that this would be something people would recognise as their own -

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their own culture, contemporised and made a bit more vital.

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# ..And the stars they blazed like day

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# And the Queen of Elfin, she gave a thrilling cry

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# Young Tamlyn's away, away... #

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# I forbid you maidens all

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# That wear gold in your hair

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# To travel to Carterhaugh

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# For young Tam Lin is there... #

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Richard's contribution was everything.

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It was the amazing business

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of him actually playing electric guitar lead jigs and reels,

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which no-one had thought of before,

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and playing in unison with Dave Swarbrick.

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I thought rock'n'roll was the hardest music in the world then.

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What I did was bring folk music into it, and that was new to them.

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There was a musical battle going on between Swarb and Richard,

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but it wasn't an egotistical battle, it was them firing off each other.

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"Play that, then swing into this."

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Swarbrick was breathtaking, and I knew that from other bands before.

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But Richard Thompson made me listen different. I thought, "Ooh, who's this?"

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He's the guy who kicked folk music's ass and gave it that youth thing -

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gave it a beautiful stage and colour to stand on and be seen,

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as a sexy thing, you know?

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You're singing a song about a transvestite highway robber - come on! Behave yourself!

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Get into the game here!

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Ooh-yee! Howling violins!

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That's the way to do it!

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Whereas the fatsos with the corduroy were all giving it...

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Get out of here! You know? That was then, this is now, boom!

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People loved it on stage, to see these two guys wind each other up -

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who could play that set of triplets faster?

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DAVE SWARBRICK: That was the point of it - to make a bloody row!

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Two can do that better than one!

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He's one of those endless players - goes over the cliff again and again.

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I think Swarb was very excited at playing with the band,

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and he liked to push the tempos up till they were almost unplayable.

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We kept turbo-charging.

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We got carried away.

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Perhaps not least with a serious case of folk-rock-guitarist's repetitive strain injury,

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after one further album, Richard left Fairport Convention.

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I sort of imploded. I had a feeling I had to try stuff on my own.

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# Don't expect the words to ring Too sweetly on the ear Live in fear... #

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Richard's first solo LP was the oddly titled Henry The Human Fly,

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still beloved of devotees, not least for its cover picture.

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I wanted a really good human fly costume,

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but the budget came to £4/2s/6d.

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Henry The Human Fly is a bit of an eccentric record.

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It only sold eight copies, so there's eccentrics out there who are missing out.

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# ..Listen to the scratchy voices Eating at your nerves... #

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The singing on that album is not very confident, that's the problem.

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I really wanted to sing the songs, but, um...I didn't do a good job.

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Having launched himself on an unsuspecting world disguised as a fly,

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Richard wisely teamed up with another singer.

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Linda Peters, a friend of the Fairports, had done lucrative work singing on commercials.

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Together with Richard, she formed one of the defining non-mainstream acts of the '70s.

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It was a partnership that was always gonna happen.

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She had always been in love with Richard.

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They started singing together and it seemed a partnership made in heaven.

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SISTER: Linda was the front person for his words. She was a glamorous-looking female singer,

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and she became his stage presence by speaking for him, singing for him.

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# I'm sorry for the things I've said

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# The things I've done

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# Sorry for the restless thief I've been

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# Please don't make me pay for my deceiving heart

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# Just turn up your lamp and let me in

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# I wish I was a fool for you again

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# I wish I was a fool for you...

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# I wish I was a fool for you again

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# I wish I was a fool for you...

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# I wish I was a fool for you, yeah

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# I wish I was a fool for you

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# I wish I was a fool for you again... #

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'Richard was quiet and interesting and mysterious, and that's attractive in a young person.'

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There was some symbiotic thing between us, if that's the word. We could kind of...

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You know, maybe we were just the same... miserable youth at the time.

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We just sort of worked together, I guess. It worked well.

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We got married, um... I wanted to get married much more than he did.

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I always say I asked him to marry me, but then he says he asked me. I'm sure I asked him.

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# I know the way

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# That I feel about you

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# I'm never gonna run away

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# I'm never gonna run away... #

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Richard and Linda reigned over those of us with any claim to an alternative philosophy of life

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in the drab early 1970s,

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blending a folk fatalism with a yearning for a better world than Britain during the three-day week.

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# A heart needs a home... #

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Island Records had trouble marketing the husband-and-wife duo,

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not least because said duo seemed rather unconcerned with their own career curve.

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Richard was a very shy and private man at that time.

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I found him quite difficult to deal with, in a not unpleasant way.

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But he certainly wasn't someone who was looking to grab fame with both hands and squeeze it dry -

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quite the opposite. He shied away from it.

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We weren't a commercial act.

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I, actually, am a rampant snob. I adored being the critics' darling.

0:27:500:27:55

I loved being admired by my peers, and I didn't give a shit, really,

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about selling thousands of records.

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It has been speculated that this lack of wider success

0:28:020:28:07

might partly have been due to Richard's songs themselves.

0:28:070:28:12

Where his lyrics asked the big questions, his answers were often distinctly bleak.

0:28:120:28:18

You write sometimes from a mood -

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you don't write a song necessarily thinking, "I should take a balanced view about this."

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You write songs in fits of emotion.

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You do push it all the way. You do push it to the limit.

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But that doesn't mean that's where you live.

0:28:340:28:38

# I feel for you, you little horror

0:28:380:28:40

# Safe at your mother's breast

0:28:400:28:45

# No lucky break for you around the corner

0:28:450:28:51

# Cos your father is a bully

0:28:530:28:56

# And he thinks that you're a pest

0:28:560:29:00

# And your sister She's no better than a whore... #

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I think it's a phenomenal song about a child coming into this crazy world.

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And it was just after our first child was born.

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And I was, you know, pinned to the wall by it. I thought, "My God!"

0:29:160:29:21

But so many people say to me,

0:29:210:29:24

"Were you insulted? It's a terrible song to write about a child."

0:29:240:29:28

I don't understand that logic.

0:29:280:29:31

# Life seems so rosy

0:29:310:29:34

# In the cradle

0:29:340:29:37

# But I'll be a friend

0:29:390:29:41

# I'll tell you what's in store

0:29:410:29:45

# There's nothing at the end of the rainbow

0:29:460:29:52

# There's nothing to grow up for any more. #

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Some of his songs go into areas that are almost unthinkable.

0:30:080:30:13

I hope that, in writing such bleak material sometimes,

0:30:130:30:17

it actually helps him.

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You know, he can ease his burden because it seems some of the songs seem so tortuous

0:30:200:30:26

that the person who made that song must be suffering a lot of anguish.

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Music is spiritual stuff. It's a very spiritual thing to play music at any level, I believe.

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It's very spiritual stuff and we have a duty as musicians to explore that side of ourselves.

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That's an important thing to do. We've got to ask ourselves, "What are we doing as human beings?"

0:30:460:30:52

In the mid 1970s, Richard became a Sufi.

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Sufism, which is the inside of Islam,

0:31:070:31:10

it all seemed laid out like a map.

0:31:100:31:13

If you pray at fixed points,

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it gives you a certain change of perspective...

0:31:180:31:22

..it keeps you on a certain line.

0:31:240:31:26

You never stray too far from that line because you have to keep coming back to that line.

0:31:260:31:34

That makes life a lot easier.

0:31:340:31:37

I don't think there's a conversion. You just realise who you are.

0:31:370:31:42

# Dancing till my feet don't touch the ground

0:31:420:31:47

# I lose my mind and dance for ever

0:31:500:31:54

# Lose my mind and dance for ever

0:31:540:31:58

# Turn my world around

0:31:580:32:01

# Turn my world around. #

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Richard became a Muslim, then I became a Muslim.

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When you go into something like that, you tend to go into it wholeheartedly, and we both did.

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He was, you know, a pain about it. He was very prudish and a pain, but so was I.

0:32:190:32:26

Not unusually for the '70s,

0:32:280:32:30

Richard and Linda, with their young family, went to live in a commune,

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initially, a Sufi community in East Anglia, perhaps not unlike this one in London from the same time.

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I didn't like it at all. It was hard going.

0:32:420:32:46

Nobody held a gun to my head, but in retrospect, I, you know...

0:32:460:32:51

..I sort of surrendered myself to an insane degree.

0:32:520:32:56

# Take my hand

0:32:560:32:59

# O, real companion

0:32:590:33:03

# And we'll dance We'll dance till we fade away. #

0:33:050:33:11

When Richard and Linda converted to Sufism, it made quite a difference.

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They were pretty ascetic at the time, in person.

0:33:170:33:21

To interviewers and on stage, they were not forthcoming.

0:33:210:33:26

It wasn't like dealing with Roxy Music.

0:33:260:33:30

If you come across something that gives you what you think are the answers,

0:33:310:33:38

it has a profound impact on what you do.

0:33:380:33:41

It's probably the most profound impact of anything in my life.

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Although Richard practises his faith to this day,

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he, Linda and their family left the commune after two years.

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The duo gradually re-emerged into the music business world.

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Their satirical album Sunnyvista was not well received, however.

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With typical irony, they had their greatest success with what was their last album together,

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both as a duo and as man and wife.

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Having a young family and being on the road was difficult.

0:34:200:34:25

-Eventually it counted against the marriage.

-We were together for about ten years.

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It was like 20 years for a normal couple because we were together during the day and in the evening.

0:34:310:34:39

# ..Hides like a child... #

0:34:410:34:43

There's a tendency to bring your work home with you and to take home to work and you never get a rest.

0:34:430:34:51

It's non-stop.

0:34:510:34:54

Difficult situation.

0:34:550:34:57

# ..He can't stand the day

0:34:580:35:00

# Shoot out the lights

0:35:010:35:04

# Shoot out the lights... #

0:35:070:35:09

People do say that the songs on Shoot Out The Lights are about our disintegrating marriage,

0:35:090:35:16

but the songs were written well before we broke up, so I wasn't thinking, "Oh, look,

0:35:160:35:23

"I've just written a song. It must mean the marriage is on the rocks."

0:35:230:35:28

It's more, "That's a dark song, but I like it."

0:35:280:35:31

# Just watching the dark... #

0:35:330:35:36

I hate to necessarily associate

0:35:360:35:39

people's lives with how I appreciate their music.

0:35:390:35:43

The music was already powerful.

0:35:430:35:45

It was pretty clear that something was up...or down.

0:35:450:35:49

# Shoot out the lights

0:35:490:35:51

# Shoot out the lights. #

0:35:530:35:56

It seemed to be tailor-made for the film of them falling apart. It was so sort of spooky.

0:36:030:36:10

It was breathtaking how accurately it portrayed what was about to happen to them.

0:36:100:36:16

During that record, I was pregnant and was concentrating on that more than the record.

0:36:160:36:23

When I listened to those songs after the split,

0:36:230:36:27

you'd have to be brain-dead not to see what was going on, but I didn't.

0:36:270:36:33

# When you're rocked on the ocean, rocked up and down, don't worry

0:36:330:36:40

# When you're spinning and turning round and round, don't worry... #

0:36:440:36:50

There were a lot of songs about disintegration of relationships, but I was used to those.

0:36:500:36:57

I sang a lot of those in my time!

0:36:570:37:00

# Your mind is confused and you can't seem to speak... #

0:37:000:37:05

'He said, "I'm in love with somebody else," and left.'

0:37:050:37:09

# It's just the motion

0:37:090:37:11

# It's just the motion. #

0:37:130:37:16

The LP, though, became something of a success,

0:37:170:37:21

especially in America, going on to be voted one of Rolling Stone's top LPs of the '80s.

0:37:210:37:28

The newly separated Richard and Linda were expected to capitalise on this success and go on tour.

0:37:280:37:35

Our manager was twisting our arms and saying, "If you don't do this tour, you'll never work again."

0:37:370:37:44

Richard said, "Linda, you'd be mad to go!" And I said, "I'm going."

0:37:440:37:50

It was difficult, yeah. There was a lot of personal animosity and...

0:37:500:37:54

..somehow...

0:37:550:37:57

we did it.

0:37:580:38:01

# Oh, it's just the motion, Oh, it's just the motion

0:38:010:38:09

# Oh-h... #

0:38:090:38:11

People say, "We saw that tour and it was fantastic!

0:38:120:38:16

"You were kicking him on stage and hitting him!"

0:38:160:38:20

I wasn't doing it all the time, but there was a load of tension.

0:38:200:38:25

I had been praying five times a day and covering myself up,

0:38:250:38:30

so here I was getting drunk, living on tranquillisers and singing.

0:38:300:38:35

# I've only sad stories to tell to this town

0:38:350:38:42

# My dreams have... #

0:38:430:38:46

Linda was a new definition of loose cannon.

0:38:460:38:51

I just looked around for the emergency exits, made sure I knew where they were.

0:38:510:38:57

When she wasn't in a quivering heap of jelly, she was capable

0:38:570:39:02

of really singing some of those terribly hard lyrics,

0:39:020:39:06

"Walking on a wire", excuse me?

0:39:060:39:08

Walking On A Wire was just about hanging onto a life disintegrating.

0:39:130:39:19

# I wish I could please you tonight

0:39:190:39:23

# But my medicine just won't come out right

0:39:260:39:32

# I'm walking on a wire I'm walking on a wire

0:39:350:39:40

# And I'm falling. #

0:39:420:39:44

I never say many good things about myself as a singer, but I CAN say, "I'm not kidding."

0:39:440:39:50

# Oh, it scares you when you don't know

0:39:500:39:56

# Whichever way the wind might blow. #

0:39:590:40:04

I was in the audience.

0:40:050:40:07

They were great shows and there was a lot of tension on stage.

0:40:070:40:13

It was truthful, you know. They didn't come out and pretend that something wasn't going on.

0:40:130:40:20

# I'm walking on a wire... #

0:40:230:40:26

As entertainment, you couldn't beat it.

0:40:260:40:29

# And I'm fall...falling

0:40:310:40:37

# Oh-h... #

0:40:380:40:40

I remember thinking Richard was being incredibly brave,

0:40:440:40:49

incredibly stoic

0:40:490:40:51

and probably extremely stupid, for putting us all through this.

0:40:510:40:57

The feedback I've got over the years is that it was a very tough tour to do!

0:41:000:41:06

All credit to everybody for getting through it.

0:41:060:41:10

And then the day I had to fly home, I thought, "I'm not going to drink any more." I threw the pills away.

0:41:120:41:19

I came home and started again. You know, one wasn't in great shape, but came home and started again.

0:41:250:41:32

While Linda went on to remarry and vary her involvement in music,

0:41:370:41:41

the tour had begun to establish Richard in America,

0:41:410:41:46

where he now has a bigger audience than in his own country.

0:41:460:41:50

God knows what his career would have been like had he stayed in Britain.

0:41:500:41:55

There is this syndrome in England about the tall poppy

0:41:550:41:59

and it does encourage people to kind of put their heads down and be a bit more tugging of their forelock.

0:41:590:42:06

America opens you up a little bit more to the idea of, "Yeah, I'm here.

0:42:060:42:13

"Come. Experience ME now," to a fault, as we all know,

0:42:130:42:17

but I think it's been good for Richard because that can take a big weight off you,

0:42:170:42:23

if you've been slogging through the music business for years. It's not a nice business.

0:42:230:42:30

# Time to ring some changes Time to ring some changes... #

0:42:320:42:38

It was during a solo tour of America that Richard had met that certain someone else, Nancy Covey,

0:42:390:42:46

who ran the folk club McCabe's and was to become the future Mrs Richard Thompson.

0:42:460:42:53

I hired Richard to play at McCabe's, the club that I ran in Los Angeles.

0:42:530:42:59

I didn't know how it would go. I knew he was a great musician,

0:43:000:43:05

but, boy, people came out of the woodwork!

0:43:050:43:10

The people in the know all showed up for those shows.

0:43:100:43:15

When I went to see the show -

0:43:150:43:17

I brought my dad with me - and I said, "Look at this line, Dad.

0:43:170:43:22

"This is the highest IQ in one place that I've ever seen in Los Angeles."

0:43:220:43:28

# Time to ring some changes

0:43:280:43:31

# Time to ring some changes... #

0:43:310:43:34

I remember he sat in a chair and he was very quiet.

0:43:340:43:38

He just played and I thought, "This is kind of a depressing guy."

0:43:380:43:43

You know, the music was incredible.

0:43:430:43:46

But, entertainment-wise, it was pretty hardcore stuff.

0:43:470:43:52

I was really surprised at how he was on stage,

0:43:570:44:02

-because the person

-I

-met

0:44:020:44:05

was this witty, charming, interesting, really fun, humorous guy.

0:44:050:44:12

That's who I'm married to.

0:44:120:44:15

After initially setting up home in London,

0:44:170:44:21

Richard and Nancy now spend much of the year in Los Angeles, where their son, Jack, goes to school.

0:44:210:44:27

The thing I noticed after he and Nancy got together

0:44:270:44:32

was that he deliberately shifted his focus of professional interest to the other side of the Atlantic.

0:44:320:44:39

It was immediately obvious that he was going to concentrate on raising his profile in that marketplace.

0:44:400:44:48

After his somewhat haphazard path through the '70s,

0:44:500:44:55

the '80s saw a more focused and career-minded Thompson emerge

0:44:550:44:59

with an increasingly scornful world view evident in his songwriting.

0:44:590:45:04

# I keep my nose clean I keep my speech plain

0:45:160:45:19

# I keep my promises She twists the knife again

0:45:190:45:23

# I shut my memory I close my eyes and then

0:45:230:45:27

# She takes another bite She twists the knife again

0:45:270:45:31

# In the middle of a kiss She twists the knife again

0:45:310:45:35

# When I get up off my knees She twists the knife again

0:45:350:45:39

# When I think I'm off the hook She gets me

0:45:390:45:42

# She twists the knife again She twists the knife again... #

0:45:420:45:46

It felt like this ghost of his relationship with Linda was still hanging around.

0:45:460:45:52

Every review focused on his personal life and tied the songs to it

0:45:520:45:56

and I would imagine that's pretty wearying.

0:45:560:46:00

# She twists that knife again! #

0:46:000:46:03

This is where we started to see more character stories, more narrative songs,

0:46:030:46:08

as opposed to the ones that were soul and agony - his own soul and agony, as it seemed,

0:46:080:46:14

and he might deny that they were about him, but they certainly seemed that they were from his life.

0:46:140:46:20

I suppose it was time to move into new territory.

0:46:200:46:24

While he settled into a life lived mainly in California,

0:46:240:46:29

Richard's thoughts, especially when he was writing, often turned to home.

0:46:290:46:35

I've always written about Britain. You kind of carry the landscape around with you.

0:46:350:46:41

Because I'm not a beach boy,

0:46:410:46:43

it doesn't sit right with me to use this as the landscape for the drama.

0:46:430:46:49

I have to put the characters back into a landscape I understand.

0:46:490:46:54

I'm a writer from a tradition.

0:46:570:47:00

Traditional models are very good, because it's such distilled music.

0:47:000:47:05

You're taking a story and following it through using ballad language, this very bright language.

0:47:050:47:12

# Says Red Molly to James

0:47:150:47:18

# "That's a fine motorbike

0:47:180:47:21

# "A girl could feel special on any such like!"

0:47:210:47:25

# Says James to Red Molly

0:47:250:47:29

# "My hat's off to you

0:47:290:47:31

# "It's a Vincent Black Lightning 1952

0:47:310:47:36

# "And I've seen you at the corners and cafes, it seems

0:47:360:47:41

# "Red hair and black leather My favourite colour scheme!"

0:47:410:47:45

# And he pulled her on behind

0:47:450:47:48

# And down to Boxhill

0:47:500:47:53

# They did ride... #

0:47:540:47:57

Vincent Black Lightning is a racing specification bike.

0:48:050:48:09

When I was a kid, that was always the one you'd go, "Ooh, wow!"

0:48:090:48:14

I've always looked for English ideas that didn't sound corny, around which you could pin a song.

0:48:170:48:23

And this song started with a motorcycle, with the Vincent.

0:48:230:48:27

It was a good lodestar around which the song could revolve.

0:48:270:48:32

# Oh, he reached for her hand And he slipped her the keys

0:48:320:48:36

# Said, "I've got no further use for these

0:48:360:48:40

# "I see angels on Ariels in leather and chrome

0:48:400:48:43

# "Swooping down from heaven to carry me home."

0:48:430:48:50

# And he gave her one last kiss and died

0:48:500:48:55

# And he gave her his Vincent

0:48:570:49:00

# To ride. #

0:49:010:49:06

To find myself as a solo performer, I really had to work.

0:49:100:49:13

Quick!

0:49:130:49:15

Well, I had to be the frontman, which is OK...

0:49:150:49:19

Hello. ..I'm over here! Hello!

0:49:190:49:23

Richard was always the quiet person at the back.

0:49:250:49:30

It's so amazing that he now holds an audience in the palm of his hand.

0:49:300:49:35

Mother and I can never get over it.

0:49:350:49:39

We can never believe that that's the shy Richard.

0:49:390:49:43

MAN: It's like a state of grace, in a way.

0:49:520:49:57

You get to be light and charming and as not weighed down by your demons as you know yourself to be.

0:49:570:50:03

It's a lot to carry, but...!

0:50:030:50:06

He's roaming through this catalogue of profoundly dark and disturbing music, in a lot of ways,

0:50:060:50:13

and just tiptoeing through it and picking a dark flower here and a black rose there!

0:50:130:50:20

# This is the nearest to being alive

0:50:200:50:23

# Oh, let me take my chances on the wall of death... #

0:50:230:50:28

The listener is a very important part of the process.

0:50:280:50:32

You want a mirror, some criticism and you want some love back. You're doing it for love.

0:50:320:50:38

# ..on the wall of death! #

0:50:380:50:43

Enough praise to keep you floating.

0:50:400:50:43

Enough lubrication to keep the joints oiled and keep the wheel turning.

0:50:430:50:49

By the 1990s, Richard was getting appreciation from many quarters.

0:50:530:50:58

The head of Capitol Records was a fan

0:50:580:51:01

and signed Richard to the label where he recorded five albums over the next decade.

0:51:010:51:07

# But I'm misunderstood... #

0:51:070:51:10

During this time, Richard was also nominated for a Grammy,

0:51:100:51:14

as well as being honoured back in Britain with an Ivor Novello award

0:51:140:51:19

for his outstanding achievements in songwriting.

0:51:190:51:22

He goes deeper and says more original things than most songwriters.

0:51:270:51:33

I don't like to compare any songwriter to another. There's Randy Newman, Paul Simon and Dylan

0:51:330:51:39

and Richard Thompson's working at least on that level.

0:51:390:51:43

I'm in love with those ballads of Richard's.

0:51:430:51:46

Dimming Of The Day is one of the most beautiful songs and heart-breaking songs I've recorded.

0:51:460:51:52

# Now all the bonny birds have wheeled away

0:51:520:52:03

# And I need you at the dimming of the day... #

0:52:030:52:12

He's funny and he's not self-involved

0:52:120:52:16

and loves his life being a dad.

0:52:160:52:18

He's a beacon for people that are traversing the more occupational hazard part of rock'n'roll!

0:52:180:52:25

Richard seemed to have all the fun without all the dastardly results the rest of us had!

0:52:250:52:31

I'm on the road tomorrow, so I'll have to do a bit of laundry.

0:52:310:52:35

'I don't see him hanging out at the scene too much when there's big parties with Don Henley!

0:52:350:52:42

'He's a grown-up.

0:52:420:52:45

'I've been over there and it's a lovely, beautiful garden.'

0:52:450:52:49

I've learned to be loud with my plant choices.

0:52:490:52:53

Pastelly English pastoral look doesn't quite work here.

0:52:530:52:57

Things pop into your head.

0:52:570:53:00

Ideas come to you because you're not thinking about it.

0:53:000:53:04

I think a lot of the problem is switching your brain off.

0:53:060:53:10

Once you've switched your brain off then good things happen.

0:53:100:53:15

Unlike several rock'n'rollers one could mention,

0:53:150:53:19

Richard follows a regular work routine.

0:53:190:53:22

I live the way I live.

0:53:220:53:25

Creatively, to be more efficient, I get up really early. That's age as well. That's getting old!

0:53:250:53:31

But it's very convenient for me because I can work longer hours.

0:53:310:53:36

It's all work in progress. We don't discuss things while they're being processed.

0:53:360:53:42

You can talk something into the dustbin. That's why I won't.

0:53:440:53:50

We don't talk about it.

0:53:500:53:52

He does that job, but we refer to it as his job, his work.

0:53:520:53:56

I never even say, "How's the music going, honey?"

0:53:560:54:01

We just don't talk about it!

0:54:010:54:03

And it's because...I respect that, we have that distance,

0:54:030:54:08

we don't have to live the music all the time.

0:54:080:54:11

I think that that's what's worked for 20 years.

0:54:110:54:16

There's times when I've wanted to get some work finished,

0:54:160:54:20

so I'll do office hours - 9 to 4, 9 to 5 -

0:54:200:54:25

and plough through stuff. Sometimes that's a month or two.

0:54:250:54:29

My family doesn't like me during that period. They find me moody and withdrawn and difficult.

0:54:290:54:35

# Gloom and misery Gloom and misery... #

0:54:350:54:39

NANCY: Living with a creative guy,

0:54:390:54:43

well, it has its positives and negatives. It's not like living with John Denver.

0:54:430:54:50

Of course I hear little snippets of it around the house,

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but I never even admit that I'm listening to that.

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# Like perfume in the air... #

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I'd love to hear those songs in progress. It would be great!

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I'd love to have a little microphone into what he hears. I don't know what he hears in there.

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# She may quit you She may forsake you... #

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HE SWITCHES MUSIC OFF

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-Why did you switch that off?

-It's me. I don't like to listen to me!

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If you're a writer, you live in society, but you're kind of on the edge of it.

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You have to find your source material.

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That's people walking down the street and people in the newspaper and all the stuff you remember,

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all the past social situations.

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Scary!

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You need fuel and so you need to be out there with your eyes open.

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-Me?

-No, the man you're filming!

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-I'm not a big personality. I'm a very small one.

-You remind me of someone.

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-I'm a musician.

-What kind of a musician?

-A folk musician.

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-Like Peter, Paul and Mary?

-Exactly.

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BILLY CONNOLLY: He doesn't look passionate. He's a quiet guy.

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He looks like a big English wally in his shorts and he knows it and doesn't care.

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And he's got a funny Army hat. He's almost an anorak!

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If you met Richard on a train, you'd think he was a big anorak.

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You wouldn't think he was the guy with the gold Les Paul shaking the town!

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# Well, there's a house in an alley

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# In the squats and low-rise

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# Of a town with no future

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# But that's where my future lies... #

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He's a suburban being. He'll never escape that.

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# It's a rule, but no rule... #

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Richard's driven from inside. He goes on writing songs, playing

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and singing his songs because he has no choice. He goes at it with a will.

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# Oh, now, my name it is Mulvaney

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# And I'm known quite famously

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# People speak my name in whispers

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# What higher praise can there be?

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# But I'd trade my fine mohair

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# For tie-dyes and faded jeans

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# If she wanted me some other way

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# She's my Cooksferry Queen

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# She gave me one pill to get bigger

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# Gave me one pill to get small

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# I saw snakes dancing all around her feet

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# And dead men coming through the wall

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# Well, I'm the prince of this parish

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# I've been ruthless and I've been mean

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# But she blew my mind as she opened my eyes

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# She's my Cooksferry Queen

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# Hey! He-ey! #

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