American Master: A Portrait of John Adams


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One of the pathologies of modernism

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was the demand to throw away

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tradition, the demand to always make it new.

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Contemporary music that is just very, very,

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very difficult for non-specialists to even get comfortable with

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is that way because it doesn't respond to certain unifying gestures,

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and I think the greatest of all unifying gestures is a pulse.

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And the second greatest is tonality.

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John Adams is the living composer whose work is most often performed today.

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Inspired by the raw emotion of jazz,

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the hypnotic repetition of minimalism

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and the tonal explorations of the 20th century avant-garde,

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Adams draws, as well, from the drama and romanticism of European music.

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From Beethoven to Debussy, and Wagner to Sibelius.

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He has written operas that touch on present-day politics,

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orchestral works of startling beauty, and oratorios that

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reinterpret the central myths of Western spirituality.

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He lives in California,

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the perfect setting for a man whose music transcends history.

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Reaching forwards adventurously into the unknown,

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as well as paying homage to the masterpieces of the past.

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I've given... There are accents missing. Er...

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Scott, you have accents at 1.27 in the second group of notes...

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'The material I took is originally written for a string quartet.

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'I took passages from'

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a couple of Beethoven string quartets

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that have always meant a great deal to me.

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And I put it through what you could call a musical hall of mirrors.

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I stretch it and I transpose it, I turn it upside-down.

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That was Adams, not Beethoven! That's good.

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I'm going to tell you something really funny,

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but it's really the truth, that when you come in and you start,

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this is gorgeous, and the moment that it's not pure Beethoven and it starts to be my deconstruction of it,

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you start playing kind of coarse.

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THEY LAUGH It's like you're going along, and then,

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this isn't the way it goes, it was supposed to go different,

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you start whacking, and it gets, kind of, just a little bit...harsh.

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'I have a very, very strong feeling of kinship with Beethoven,'

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and, of course, it's very uncool. You know,

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if you want to be a leading-edge composer these days, your references

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are Radiohead or Pygmy music, or Metallica, something like that.

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It's not cool to say that Beethoven's your big inspiration,

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but it's the truth.

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But I love Beethoven because of the combination of great tenderness

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and inability. He's the most noble of all composers.

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But I also love it because of the driving energy,

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which fits my American sensibility very well.

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This is the clarinet I played all through my youth.

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I was probably 12, maybe 14 years old when I first got it.

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I played Mozart on it and I played in a concert band with my father,

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I played in orchestras, I played it all the way through college.

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Obviously, it has a lot of deep, psychological

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and emotional connections

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because it is the instrument that my father played

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and it was the instrument that my mother listened to

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when I was growing up, and, you know, it's a melodic instrument.

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It's capable of great emotional utterance,

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and then, of course, it's also capable of being very sexy and...

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..colourful like in Klezmer, like when Benny Goodman played it.

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My parents were both what we would call amateur musicians, although

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my father did play briefly in a professional swing band in the 1930s.

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There was jazz in the house and classical music.

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My mother sang in several church choirs, and she also had starring

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roles in local productions of South Pacific, Carousel, Oklahoma...

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I grew up with what I consider to be a very rich American musical

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pedigree, part European, part indigenous.

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I remember listening to the 1812 Overture,

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and probably some Mozart, because Mozart was always key in my childhood.

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Also circus band marches,

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and very early on, I was obsessed with the idea of conducting.

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I took one of my mother's knitting needles

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and started conducting the record player!

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I don't think there's a single piece of music that launched my career,

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launched my interest in music.

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It was an atmosphere, not only of my home

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but of the small-town communities that I grew up in.

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In my case,

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it was this wonderful orchestra that I joined

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when I was about 13 or 14 years old that was sponsored by the state mental hospital.

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The orchestra rehearsed once a week

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and played what we call light classics,

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meaning anything from Peer Gynt Suite to the Unfinished Symphony to

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selections from The Sound Of Music.

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And we performed for these severely disturbed mental patients.

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And it was quite wonderful.

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Sometimes it scared me,

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but more often, they would react with intense emotionality.

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They would cry, they would laugh, and since I was the only

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kid in the orchestra, they would all come after me.

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I often tell the story of how my grandfather ran a dance hall

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in central New Hampshire,

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and all the big bands came to his dance hall.

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And when I was in high school,

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I several times heard the great Duke Ellington band, and I can't

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even begin to describe the depth of the influence it had on me.

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First of all, it's the beat.

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JAZZ MUSIC PLAYS

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I think that was, again,

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a very primal experience, being with the mental patients,

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in terms of the power of the sound, the sensuality of it...

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JAZZ MUSIC PLAYS

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It's so emotionally extrovert, and that is really the essence,

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I think, of American music,

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and I also think it's certainly the essence of my music.

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People who know me think of me as a somewhat introverted,

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retiring person who is...

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I'm willing to be social when I have to

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and I can turn it on and talk to a large group of people,

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but basically I'm happier if I spend all day only talking to my wife,

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or maybe write an e-mail to a friend, but I enjoy being alone.

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On the other hand, when I write music, I go to the other

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pole of my personality and I write music that is very extroverted.

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I was in university during a very,

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very turbulent time in American cultural history.

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I'm very glad I was.

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It was a traumatic time because of the Vietnam War.

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It was also an ecstatic time because it was a period of rebellion.

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I was in college from 1965 to 1971.

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COMMOTION

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There was LSD, there was rock, there was Jimi Hendrix, The Supremes,

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the Grateful Dead, the Jefferson Airplane, Bob Dylan,

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the Band... It was an amazing time.

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My roommates were creating bands and, you know,

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buying electric guitars and recording songs...

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I always knew that I was going to be a classical composer.

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At that time, the models were pretty far out.

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Someone like John Cage, whom I was very serious about...

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Boulez was hugely influential.

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He was kind of at his first blossoming,

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and of course, all the graduate students ran out

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and bought a copy of Marteau Sans Maitre, and I did too,

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because we were told that this was the future.

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But I realised it was not something...

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It wasn't a place I wanted to go.

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I don't promise that we can eradicate poverty

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and end discrimination and eliminate all danger of war in the space

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of four or even eight years, but I do promise action.

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The Vietnam years at Harvard fuelled John Adams'

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passion for politics, a passion that has stayed with him to this day.

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His three major operas, the most recent Doctor Atomic,

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the controversial Death Of Klinghoffer,

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and his first operatic masterpiece, Nixon In China,

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tackle major political themes of our times.

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All Adams' operas have been the fruit of a long-standing creative

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collaboration with director Peter Sellars.

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Up to that point,

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all the contemporary music Peter heard was of the surrealist school,

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very dissonant with no beat and very cold, emotionally.

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Suddenly, someone gave him

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a recording of this composer named John Adams which had music

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that was, to him, very emotional and very powerful.

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And he proposed the idea of an opera called Nixon In China.

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He already had the title in mind.

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And Nixon, of course, was a major event in my life, because Nixon

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was president when I received my notice to report to be a soldier.

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And so I had very negative feelings about Nixon.

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It seemed that an opera which had these really very colourful

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characters like Mao and Nixon and Mao's wife, and Kissinger,

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could be a really interesting,

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entertaining, but also very meaningful theatrical work.

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# How your most rigid theorist revises as he goes along

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# Now you're referring to Wang Ming, Chaiang, Chang Kuo-tao and Li Li-san

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# I spoke generally

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# The line we take now is a paradox

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# Among the followers of Marx

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# The extreme left

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# The doctrinaire

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-# Tend to be fascist

-And the far right?

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# True Marxism is called that by the extreme left

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# Occasionally the true left calls a spade a spade

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# And tells the left it's right... #

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Although there's a great deal of humour,

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and I make fun of the pomposity of both Nixon and Mao,

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the essence of Nixon In China goes much deeper than satire,

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and there are moments of great poignancy.

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I think I can say, without any qualification, that this

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opera has the best libretto written in the 20th century.

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# We have at times been enemies

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# We still have differences

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# God knows

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# But let us in these next five days

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# Start a long march

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# On new highways

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# In different lanes but parallel

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# And heading for a single goal

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# The world watches and listens

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# We must seize the hour

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# We must seize the hour

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# We must seize the hour

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# We must seize the hour

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# And seize the day. #

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I think if you're going to be an opera composer,

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you can't be a purist.

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You have to be willing to draw in any number of influences to make

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the operatic experience as fluid and as varied as life is.

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I think that's certainly what made Mozart such a great composer,

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and Verdi, so if Nixon In China is a success,

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it's partly because it reflects what American life is like.

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It reflects the combination of the demotic musical objects

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that are very corny and vulgar,

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and then the opposite.

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It also reflects very noble and...deeply imagined...

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..expressions of the human soul.

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I'd grown up in New England and I'd spent my entire life there.

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I'd never even been to Europe.

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I was 22 years old, I was married to my first wife at the time

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and she had never been anywhere, either.

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And so we took a trip across the country.

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The trip was a kind of symbol of liberation, you know,

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it was a road trip

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and that's a classic American archetype...

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You know, whether it's Jack Kerouac or many of the great...folk singers

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like Woody Guthrie or whatever,

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the idea of the road trip, the American movement

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across the landscape, was some unknown...destiny.

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In retrospect, it seems like it was a great moment in my life,

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and I did not intend to stay in California.

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I thought I would go back to school and have a nice dreary,

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pedestrian life as a college professor,

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but I got out here and I really found myself.

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And it was the first time I'd experienced the Pacific Ocean,

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which is, it's a palpably different feel

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than you get on the Atlantic coast.

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On the Pacific, the land is very jagged.

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There are huge cliffs that drop down and down the Big Sur,

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you can stand and just watch the immense forest of the Pacific Ocean

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pound against this continental shelf, and it's very awe-inspiring.

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It's hard to look at that, it's hard to experience it, without feeling

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a certain sense of the divine, of the power of other worldly beings.

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The Dharma At Big Sur brings together the notion of the Dharma,

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of the search for the essence of our being, and Big Sur,

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which is one of the most memorable, beautiful

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and provocatively transcendental locations in the United States.

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So the work is this kind of long, flowing first movement that is

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a rhapsody in which I let the violinist float above the orchestra.

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There's no improvising in the piece.

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And then the second half is this gradual, kind of very slow

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picking up of speed and waves of sound that culminates in a big,

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kind of ecstatic climax at the end.

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I think I borrowed the form from the raga, in other words,

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a slow introduction and then a fast, ecstatic...dance at the end.

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MUSIC: "The Dharma At Big Sur"

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Spiritual matters have always meant a great deal to me,

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and I've always experienced music as this strange

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combination of the spiritual and the erotic.

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I think many of my pieces confront that,

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whether it's early pieces like Shaker Loops or Harmonium,

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or even the most recent ones like The Dharma At Big Sur,

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and, for sure, The Gospel According To The Other Mary.

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There's this potent collusion

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of sexuality and eroticism,

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and then the desire for spiritual transcendence.

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John Adams arrived in San Francisco in 1972.

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He started out in Berkeley,

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the cradle of West Coast student radicalism.

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He took a series of relatively menial jobs,

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including work in the open docks.

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In the spirit of the times, he wanted to be a working-class

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composer, earning his living the hard way and composing at night.

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Things weren't that easy, and he was fortunate to land a job

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teaching at the San Francisco Conservatory Of Music,

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where he stayed for nine years.

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I suspect I was a terrible teacher

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because I didn't really know what I was doing.

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I talked about whatever was on my mind, you know.

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I was supposed to be teaching harmony and I talked about Tolstoy,

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because I had discovered Tolstoy that year, or Dante.

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And I also did a lot of electronic music, making crazy pieces.

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I even built my own synthesiser.

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It was a wonderful time because I was young, I was in my 20s,

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I taught analysis,

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I spent a lot of time teaching Beethoven string quartets

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and Wagner operas, and usually I was only one week ahead of the students.

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You know, I didn't know Tristan And Isolde - I taught

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Act One even though I'd never even experienced Act Three.

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I was a bachelor at that point. I had broken up with my first wife,

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so I read biographies of composers, I read social history,

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I read Karl Marx, Sartre, Dickens... I got deeply involved in Buddhism

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for a period, and I also got very interested in electronics.

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In the '70s, most of the music that I took seriously

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was...

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the very radical avant-garde style.

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Either European high modernism, or, in this country,

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probably John Cage and all of his epigones.

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And there was something strangely unsatisfying about it.

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I was often really bored by it.

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If you listen to a piece,

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you know, by any of those avant-garde composers, there's no beat,

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there's no pulse, there's no melody, there's no identifiable harmony...

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It's pretty bleak landscape, and the music of Steve Reich...

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..and Terry Riley, and then later, I heard some

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excerpts from Einstein On The Beach when Philip Glass came through...

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It was very radical, because it did have a beat,

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and it was tonal and it was also very insistent.

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Particularly Glass's music.

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MUSIC: "Phrygian Gates"

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I began experimenting with minimalism at about the age of 30.

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The first piece I wrote was a large canvas,

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24-minute virtuoso piece for piano called Phrygian Gates.

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MUSIC: "Phrygian Gates"

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It was clearly a minimalist piece, in the sense of repetition

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and kind of wave-like structures in music.

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It's a very satisfying piece for me, and I still continue to enjoy it,

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although compared to what I write now, I think it's somewhat rigid.

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You know, I was still in the grip of the modernist demand that

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everything be completely unified on an architectonic level.

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With being a young Turk

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and wanting to be on the vanguard of experimental music,

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I thought I'd be an electronic composer

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or write pieces for instruments,

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maybe I invented out of spare car parts, or something like that.

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I had absolutely no intentions of writing

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a big piece for chorus and orchestra.

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I was given a commission to write for the San Francisco Symphony

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by this young Dutch conductor, Edo de Waart.

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Now, in 1980, getting a commission from the San Francisco Symphony

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would be like, I don't know, it would be like...

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..Jean-Paul Sartre...

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becoming a...a conservative,

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er, politician or something, you know?

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It was like a complete sell-out.

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As far as my avant-garde friends,

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they thought I had just become guilty of apostasy.

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CHORAL PIECE CONTINUES

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I really put away all my avant-garde obsessions

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and made this piece that was very rich and very overtly emotional

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but at the same time, compositionally it was informed by minimalism.

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But my minimalism was very different from Reich's or Glass's,

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much more informed by the European canon of great music.

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I didn't try, consciously, to make a music that didn't refer to

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Debussy or Beethoven or Wagner.

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I invited them all in and I think the other way in which my music was different

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than the classical minimalist gesture

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was that I wanted to have music that had violent changes of emotion.

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MUSIC CONTINUES

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CHOIR SINGS

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You know, one great thing about the Berlin Philharmonic,

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when you see them, apropos...

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Er, is that somehow American, particularly American orchestra musicians,

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no matter whether they're having a good time or not,

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they always have this poker-face, like they're baseball players.

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You're not supposed to show you're enjoying yourself.

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But the Berlin Phil,

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they always look like they're really having a good time.

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Maybe it's because they're the Berlin Phil and they know it.

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It's good that you never lose that sense of enjoyment and excitement,

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because there's something about a certain mode of behaviour in American orchestras

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that gives the impression of it's just labour and it's not joy.

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And that's why we're so lucky as musicians, you know, we can do something that we really love.

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We don't have to do something that we don't like to earn a living.

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OK, 248.

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I'd been commissioned to write a string quartet for Kronos,

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which is, of course, a very well-known avant-garde string quartet.

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It was a really important summer for me

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because I'd discovered Marcel Proust.

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And I was so taken with the mood

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of Proust's prose, of his writing,

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this wonderful kind of dreamlike atmosphere, and the sensuality of it

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and the poignancy of it, the sentiment.

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And I tried to bring this into the string quartet at the same time that I was trying to

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develop my interest in minimalism.

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And it was a failure, it didn't work.

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Look, on certain levels, this is not a very difficult piece.

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But on other levels,

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it presents challenges to extreme rhythmic precision.

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So that when you start to play louder...

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..your bow is going to change because you have to dig in more.

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And it's OK, I mean, you can have a good performance,

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but to get a really good performance,

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you just really have to lock that in.

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And where the trouble starts is around 60 or so.

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When you start getting louder, and people start introducing accents.

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I hear just these little moment of blur

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and I want it to just be...taka-taka, taka-taka, taka-taka, taka-taka...

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STRINGS PLAY PRIMARY RHYTHM

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I did something really good.

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I made a wise decision which is that I looked at this quartet

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and I identified some things in it that were good

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and I threw out everything else.

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And I took just the rhythmic core of the piece

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and I somehow understood

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that this musical material wanted to do something else.

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I was trying to force it to behave in another way that

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I intellectually thought it should go.

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And it was that point in my life

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where I realised that musical material is like it's own being, it's like a plant.

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And as a composer, you have to be a good gardener,

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and you have to know what the potential of this material is,

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you can't force it into some preconceived intellectual mode.

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You can, but the chances are it'll be stillborn.

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And I turned it into a piece called Shaker Loops, which got it right

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because in Shaker Loops, the music is doing what it wants to do.

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My father was unaffiliated, he had no interest in religion.

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My mother on the other hand had grown up in an Irish Catholic family.

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Going to church was a very meaningful experience.

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We didn't go to the Catholic Church,

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but she sang in the Episcopal choir,

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and then when I was about 13 or 14,

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she changed to the Unitarian Church and I went with her.

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I was drawn to spiritual matters at that age.

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Of course, Unitarianism is a classic New England...

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far more philosophical practice than it is a logical one.

0:40:540:40:59

It's a mixture of very enlightened Protestant Christianity

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and the best of philosophical transcendentalism.

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We think of Ralph Waldo Emerson, Henry David Thoreau.

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INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC PLAYS

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I think there's quite a landscape quality to...

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a lot of his...

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It's spacious orchestral writing.

0:41:480:41:52

I used to do a lot of road trips when the kids were young

0:41:530:41:58

and I would just go out to do some photographs and I would take,

0:41:580:42:02

you know, a lot of CDs or back then it was, I think, cassette tapes of John's music,

0:42:020:42:07

and turn it up really loud and put the windows down, you know,

0:42:070:42:09

and just drive. And it was just like the most exhilarating feeling to do that.

0:42:090:42:15

I think we both feel that we kind of mutually inform each other.

0:42:150:42:20

I mean there are times when he's seen photographs that I've made and then said

0:42:200:42:25

that inspired some passage or, you know, piece that he did.

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PIANO PLAYS

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It's sort of an unspoken kind of collaboration,

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it's that thing that we share a love of and we each approach it in our own way.

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I think that's the best way to say it.

0:42:400:42:42

When he wrote a piece called Hallelujah Junction,

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and then he called his book Hallelujah Junction,

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which is a place out in the middle of Sierra Valley, which is a place

0:42:500:42:53

that we've been going since before we were married, actually.

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Just at that part, it's the Eastern Sierra slopes down in toward Reno,

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and that's where Hallelujah Junction is.

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MUSIC CONTINUES

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My companion Debbie, my wife,

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for the last 28 years or more,

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has played a tremendously important role in both my artistic

0:43:230:43:28

as well as my spiritual life.

0:43:280:43:31

We talk about these matters all the time and we've, you know,

0:43:320:43:35

we've gone through our adult lives and are approaching, you know,

0:43:350:43:40

our old age together.

0:43:400:43:42

And she is a very, very profoundly deep thinker

0:43:420:43:48

and has long been involved in the study of philosophy,

0:43:480:43:52

and particularly the work of Carl Jung.

0:43:520:43:55

And so she's not only my mate and my wife,

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but also my soul buddy, which is something I am deeply grateful for.

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OPERATIC PIECE PLAYS

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Like most of his fellow countrymen, John Adams is

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rooted in a profound sense of what it is to be an American.

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Throughout its history,

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America has reflected the values of its Founding Fathers,

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driven as they were by a sense of creating heaven on earth.

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The spirituality that illuminates so much of Adams's music is

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connected to a deeply felt engagement with the world

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in which the humanity of the individual,

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caught up in the often tragic web of history, is paramount,

0:45:350:45:39

whether it be President Nixon or Chou En-lai,

0:45:390:45:41

the Palestinians who murdered the American cruise ship passenger, Leon Klinghoffer,

0:45:410:45:46

or Robert Oppenheimer, the inventor of the atomic bomb.

0:45:460:45:50

# Batter my heart

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# Three-personed God

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# For you

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# As yet

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# But knock

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# Breathe

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# Knock

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# Breathe

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# Knock

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# Breathe

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# Shine and seek to mend

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# Batter my heart

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# Three-personed God

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# That I may rise and stand

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# O'er throw me and bend your force

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# To break

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# Blow

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# Break

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# Blow

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# Break, blow

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# Burn and make me new. #

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I get a phone call from the New York Philharmonic saying that, um,

0:47:470:47:51

the orchestra wanted me to write a piece to commemorate

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the first anniversary of the World Trade Center attacks.

0:47:540:47:58

It was a very difficult situation for me,

0:47:580:48:00

because I didn't see how one could write a piece

0:48:000:48:04

that would be in any kind of good taste or have a really deep meaning about something

0:48:040:48:10

that was so recent and had caused terrible scars

0:48:100:48:15

on the collective consciousness of the country.

0:48:150:48:20

I ended up by writing a piece that was very private.

0:48:260:48:29

It uses huge forces, probably 200 people on a stage,

0:48:300:48:35

a children's chorus, an adult chorus and a very large orchestra.

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But it's a work that is largely pianissimo

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and I thought of it as a work that, um...

0:48:420:48:47

in which the souls of the people who died

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were kind of hovering in the performance space in a very, very quiet way.

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VOICES DESCRIBE VICTIMS

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# We will miss you

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# We all love you

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# We miss you

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# We love you

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# Miss you

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# Love you... #

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John Adams's politics have been more subtle than dogmatic.

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Not least in his work with Peter Sellars.

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Their latest collaboration revisits Christ's Passion

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in a thoroughly contemporary and fiercely political way,

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giving voice to the usually silent women who

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stand on the periphery of the Gospel story.

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I should probably get them, if I have a copy, just to show you.

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Here's the first draft that has what Peter gave me.

0:51:360:51:43

You can see how Peter works,

0:51:430:51:45

he doesn't write an original work himself.

0:51:450:51:48

What he does is he assembles texts he's Xeroxed straight from the Bible.

0:51:480:51:53

This is Peter's handwriting and there's more Xerox from a different author.

0:51:530:51:58

Then there is a poem by the Mexican poet, woman poet,

0:51:580:52:04

Rosario Castellanos, in the original Spanish.

0:52:040:52:08

Then I have my, my modes, my scales, my material.

0:52:090:52:15

Which I use largely to prod myself to move out of my comfort zone.

0:52:170:52:24

I assign myself certain musical challenges

0:52:240:52:29

to find within a certain scale or mode, an expressive potential.

0:52:290:52:35

You know, I am 65 years old, I've been composing for 45 years

0:53:040:53:09

and I still don't know if something's going to work or not.

0:53:090:53:15

And maybe that's a good thing because it means

0:53:150:53:18

I'm not falling back on familiar solutions that I know will work.

0:53:180:53:23

I took a lot of risks in this piece

0:53:230:53:25

and I think it actually in the end, it worked.

0:53:250:53:31

I was very satisfied with it, which I didn't expect I would be.

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POIGNANT VIOLIN PLAYS

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I arrived here in 1971, so 41 years ago.

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And California has changed a lot since then.

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It's still possible to be in very, very remote places here in the West.

0:55:580:56:06

We have a little cabin high up in the Sierras where our children

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spent their summers.

0:56:200:56:21

'And I've had some of my really wonderful musical ideas

0:56:220:56:28

'when I've been out in that landscape.

0:56:280:56:31

'Sometimes in an automobile, sometimes hiking.'

0:56:310:56:34

'It's become harder and harder for Americans to feel that freedom'

0:56:420:56:48

because our lives are so intertwined with technology now.

0:56:480:56:56

I don't think people have even had the ability to stand back and to see

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how...damaging the digital experience has been

0:57:010:57:09

on human consciousness.

0:57:090:57:12

I'm just beginning to understand that about myself,

0:57:120:57:16

that when you stare into a computer screen,

0:57:160:57:20

you're going into the virtual environment and it's not real.

0:57:200:57:24

I think that being in a lonely place,

0:57:240:57:29

in a place where you are away from that constant chatter,

0:57:290:57:34

that constant vibration with the sort of collective psyche,

0:57:340:57:39

then you're alone with yourself and you're experiencing true solitude,

0:57:390:57:45

is a profoundly necessary thing for one's psyche

0:57:450:57:51

and, um...

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the older I get, the more I realise that I need that.

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That it feeds... It feeds, you know, the deepest part of myself.

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