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One of the pathologies of modernism | 0:00:44 | 0:00:49 | |
was the demand to throw away | 0:00:49 | 0:00:53 | |
tradition, the demand to always make it new. | 0:00:53 | 0:00:56 | |
Contemporary music that is just very, very, | 0:00:58 | 0:01:01 | |
very difficult for non-specialists to even get comfortable with | 0:01:01 | 0:01:07 | |
is that way because it doesn't respond to certain unifying gestures, | 0:01:07 | 0:01:11 | |
and I think the greatest of all unifying gestures is a pulse. | 0:01:11 | 0:01:16 | |
And the second greatest is tonality. | 0:01:17 | 0:01:21 | |
John Adams is the living composer whose work is most often performed today. | 0:01:26 | 0:01:31 | |
Inspired by the raw emotion of jazz, | 0:01:31 | 0:01:33 | |
the hypnotic repetition of minimalism | 0:01:33 | 0:01:36 | |
and the tonal explorations of the 20th century avant-garde, | 0:01:36 | 0:01:40 | |
Adams draws, as well, from the drama and romanticism of European music. | 0:01:40 | 0:01:44 | |
From Beethoven to Debussy, and Wagner to Sibelius. | 0:01:44 | 0:01:47 | |
He has written operas that touch on present-day politics, | 0:01:50 | 0:01:53 | |
orchestral works of startling beauty, and oratorios that | 0:01:53 | 0:01:56 | |
reinterpret the central myths of Western spirituality. | 0:01:56 | 0:01:59 | |
He lives in California, | 0:02:02 | 0:02:04 | |
the perfect setting for a man whose music transcends history. | 0:02:04 | 0:02:08 | |
Reaching forwards adventurously into the unknown, | 0:02:08 | 0:02:11 | |
as well as paying homage to the masterpieces of the past. | 0:02:11 | 0:02:14 | |
I've given... There are accents missing. Er... | 0:02:53 | 0:02:57 | |
Scott, you have accents at 1.27 in the second group of notes... | 0:02:57 | 0:03:02 | |
'The material I took is originally written for a string quartet. | 0:03:05 | 0:03:08 | |
'I took passages from' | 0:03:08 | 0:03:10 | |
a couple of Beethoven string quartets | 0:03:10 | 0:03:13 | |
that have always meant a great deal to me. | 0:03:13 | 0:03:15 | |
And I put it through what you could call a musical hall of mirrors. | 0:03:15 | 0:03:20 | |
I stretch it and I transpose it, I turn it upside-down. | 0:03:20 | 0:03:24 | |
That was Adams, not Beethoven! That's good. | 0:03:25 | 0:03:30 | |
I'm going to tell you something really funny, | 0:03:30 | 0:03:32 | |
but it's really the truth, that when you come in and you start, | 0:03:32 | 0:03:35 | |
this is gorgeous, and the moment that it's not pure Beethoven and it starts to be my deconstruction of it, | 0:03:35 | 0:03:43 | |
you start playing kind of coarse. | 0:03:43 | 0:03:45 | |
THEY LAUGH It's like you're going along, and then, | 0:03:45 | 0:03:48 | |
this isn't the way it goes, it was supposed to go different, | 0:03:48 | 0:03:50 | |
you start whacking, and it gets, kind of, just a little bit...harsh. | 0:03:50 | 0:03:56 | |
'I have a very, very strong feeling of kinship with Beethoven,' | 0:04:01 | 0:04:06 | |
and, of course, it's very uncool. You know, | 0:04:06 | 0:04:09 | |
if you want to be a leading-edge composer these days, your references | 0:04:09 | 0:04:13 | |
are Radiohead or Pygmy music, or Metallica, something like that. | 0:04:13 | 0:04:21 | |
It's not cool to say that Beethoven's your big inspiration, | 0:04:21 | 0:04:24 | |
but it's the truth. | 0:04:24 | 0:04:26 | |
But I love Beethoven because of the combination of great tenderness | 0:04:27 | 0:04:33 | |
and inability. He's the most noble of all composers. | 0:04:33 | 0:04:37 | |
But I also love it because of the driving energy, | 0:04:38 | 0:04:42 | |
which fits my American sensibility very well. | 0:04:42 | 0:04:45 | |
This is the clarinet I played all through my youth. | 0:05:01 | 0:05:04 | |
I was probably 12, maybe 14 years old when I first got it. | 0:05:04 | 0:05:10 | |
I played Mozart on it and I played in a concert band with my father, | 0:05:10 | 0:05:16 | |
I played in orchestras, I played it all the way through college. | 0:05:16 | 0:05:20 | |
Obviously, it has a lot of deep, psychological | 0:05:20 | 0:05:24 | |
and emotional connections | 0:05:24 | 0:05:25 | |
because it is the instrument that my father played | 0:05:25 | 0:05:29 | |
and it was the instrument that my mother listened to | 0:05:29 | 0:05:32 | |
when I was growing up, and, you know, it's a melodic instrument. | 0:05:32 | 0:05:38 | |
It's capable of great emotional utterance, | 0:05:38 | 0:05:40 | |
and then, of course, it's also capable of being very sexy and... | 0:05:40 | 0:05:44 | |
..colourful like in Klezmer, like when Benny Goodman played it. | 0:05:47 | 0:05:50 | |
My parents were both what we would call amateur musicians, although | 0:06:05 | 0:06:10 | |
my father did play briefly in a professional swing band in the 1930s. | 0:06:10 | 0:06:18 | |
There was jazz in the house and classical music. | 0:06:18 | 0:06:21 | |
My mother sang in several church choirs, and she also had starring | 0:06:21 | 0:06:28 | |
roles in local productions of South Pacific, Carousel, Oklahoma... | 0:06:28 | 0:06:34 | |
I grew up with what I consider to be a very rich American musical | 0:06:35 | 0:06:39 | |
pedigree, part European, part indigenous. | 0:06:39 | 0:06:43 | |
I remember listening to the 1812 Overture, | 0:06:44 | 0:06:48 | |
and probably some Mozart, because Mozart was always key in my childhood. | 0:06:48 | 0:06:55 | |
Also circus band marches, | 0:06:55 | 0:06:57 | |
and very early on, I was obsessed with the idea of conducting. | 0:06:57 | 0:07:02 | |
I took one of my mother's knitting needles | 0:07:02 | 0:07:05 | |
and started conducting the record player! | 0:07:05 | 0:07:09 | |
I don't think there's a single piece of music that launched my career, | 0:07:10 | 0:07:16 | |
launched my interest in music. | 0:07:16 | 0:07:18 | |
It was an atmosphere, not only of my home | 0:07:22 | 0:07:25 | |
but of the small-town communities that I grew up in. | 0:07:25 | 0:07:30 | |
In my case, | 0:07:30 | 0:07:31 | |
it was this wonderful orchestra that I joined | 0:07:31 | 0:07:35 | |
when I was about 13 or 14 years old that was sponsored by the state mental hospital. | 0:07:35 | 0:07:44 | |
The orchestra rehearsed once a week | 0:07:44 | 0:07:46 | |
and played what we call light classics, | 0:07:46 | 0:07:50 | |
meaning anything from Peer Gynt Suite to the Unfinished Symphony to | 0:07:50 | 0:07:55 | |
selections from The Sound Of Music. | 0:07:55 | 0:07:59 | |
And we performed for these severely disturbed mental patients. | 0:07:59 | 0:08:03 | |
And it was quite wonderful. | 0:08:03 | 0:08:05 | |
Sometimes it scared me, | 0:08:05 | 0:08:06 | |
but more often, they would react with intense emotionality. | 0:08:06 | 0:08:10 | |
They would cry, they would laugh, and since I was the only | 0:08:10 | 0:08:14 | |
kid in the orchestra, they would all come after me. | 0:08:14 | 0:08:19 | |
I often tell the story of how my grandfather ran a dance hall | 0:08:27 | 0:08:31 | |
in central New Hampshire, | 0:08:31 | 0:08:34 | |
and all the big bands came to his dance hall. | 0:08:34 | 0:08:37 | |
And when I was in high school, | 0:08:37 | 0:08:40 | |
I several times heard the great Duke Ellington band, and I can't | 0:08:40 | 0:08:45 | |
even begin to describe the depth of the influence it had on me. | 0:08:45 | 0:08:50 | |
First of all, it's the beat. | 0:08:50 | 0:08:51 | |
JAZZ MUSIC PLAYS | 0:08:51 | 0:08:55 | |
I think that was, again, | 0:09:04 | 0:09:06 | |
a very primal experience, being with the mental patients, | 0:09:06 | 0:09:10 | |
in terms of the power of the sound, the sensuality of it... | 0:09:10 | 0:09:16 | |
JAZZ MUSIC PLAYS | 0:09:16 | 0:09:19 | |
It's so emotionally extrovert, and that is really the essence, | 0:09:28 | 0:09:35 | |
I think, of American music, | 0:09:35 | 0:09:37 | |
and I also think it's certainly the essence of my music. | 0:09:37 | 0:09:40 | |
People who know me think of me as a somewhat introverted, | 0:09:40 | 0:09:45 | |
retiring person who is... | 0:09:45 | 0:09:48 | |
I'm willing to be social when I have to | 0:09:48 | 0:09:50 | |
and I can turn it on and talk to a large group of people, | 0:09:50 | 0:09:53 | |
but basically I'm happier if I spend all day only talking to my wife, | 0:09:53 | 0:09:58 | |
or maybe write an e-mail to a friend, but I enjoy being alone. | 0:09:58 | 0:10:04 | |
On the other hand, when I write music, I go to the other | 0:10:04 | 0:10:08 | |
pole of my personality and I write music that is very extroverted. | 0:10:08 | 0:10:13 | |
I was in university during a very, | 0:10:21 | 0:10:27 | |
very turbulent time in American cultural history. | 0:10:27 | 0:10:31 | |
I'm very glad I was. | 0:10:34 | 0:10:35 | |
It was a traumatic time because of the Vietnam War. | 0:10:35 | 0:10:40 | |
It was also an ecstatic time because it was a period of rebellion. | 0:10:40 | 0:10:44 | |
I was in college from 1965 to 1971. | 0:10:46 | 0:10:50 | |
COMMOTION | 0:10:50 | 0:10:54 | |
There was LSD, there was rock, there was Jimi Hendrix, The Supremes, | 0:11:09 | 0:11:15 | |
the Grateful Dead, the Jefferson Airplane, Bob Dylan, | 0:11:15 | 0:11:19 | |
the Band... It was an amazing time. | 0:11:19 | 0:11:23 | |
My roommates were creating bands and, you know, | 0:11:24 | 0:11:28 | |
buying electric guitars and recording songs... | 0:11:28 | 0:11:34 | |
I always knew that I was going to be a classical composer. | 0:11:34 | 0:11:40 | |
At that time, the models were pretty far out. | 0:11:40 | 0:11:44 | |
Someone like John Cage, whom I was very serious about... | 0:11:44 | 0:11:48 | |
Boulez was hugely influential. | 0:11:48 | 0:11:51 | |
He was kind of at his first blossoming, | 0:11:51 | 0:11:55 | |
and of course, all the graduate students ran out | 0:11:55 | 0:11:58 | |
and bought a copy of Marteau Sans Maitre, and I did too, | 0:11:58 | 0:12:03 | |
because we were told that this was the future. | 0:12:03 | 0:12:06 | |
But I realised it was not something... | 0:12:06 | 0:12:08 | |
It wasn't a place I wanted to go. | 0:12:08 | 0:12:10 | |
I don't promise that we can eradicate poverty | 0:12:30 | 0:12:32 | |
and end discrimination and eliminate all danger of war in the space | 0:12:32 | 0:12:35 | |
of four or even eight years, but I do promise action. | 0:12:35 | 0:12:39 | |
The Vietnam years at Harvard fuelled John Adams' | 0:13:02 | 0:13:05 | |
passion for politics, a passion that has stayed with him to this day. | 0:13:05 | 0:13:10 | |
His three major operas, the most recent Doctor Atomic, | 0:13:10 | 0:13:13 | |
the controversial Death Of Klinghoffer, | 0:13:13 | 0:13:15 | |
and his first operatic masterpiece, Nixon In China, | 0:13:15 | 0:13:19 | |
tackle major political themes of our times. | 0:13:19 | 0:13:22 | |
All Adams' operas have been the fruit of a long-standing creative | 0:13:22 | 0:13:25 | |
collaboration with director Peter Sellars. | 0:13:25 | 0:13:28 | |
Up to that point, | 0:13:29 | 0:13:30 | |
all the contemporary music Peter heard was of the surrealist school, | 0:13:30 | 0:13:35 | |
very dissonant with no beat and very cold, emotionally. | 0:13:35 | 0:13:41 | |
Suddenly, someone gave him | 0:13:41 | 0:13:42 | |
a recording of this composer named John Adams which had music | 0:13:42 | 0:13:46 | |
that was, to him, very emotional and very powerful. | 0:13:46 | 0:13:51 | |
And he proposed the idea of an opera called Nixon In China. | 0:13:51 | 0:13:55 | |
He already had the title in mind. | 0:13:55 | 0:13:56 | |
And Nixon, of course, was a major event in my life, because Nixon | 0:13:57 | 0:14:02 | |
was president when I received my notice to report to be a soldier. | 0:14:02 | 0:14:07 | |
And so I had very negative feelings about Nixon. | 0:14:10 | 0:14:13 | |
It seemed that an opera which had these really very colourful | 0:14:13 | 0:14:18 | |
characters like Mao and Nixon and Mao's wife, and Kissinger, | 0:14:18 | 0:14:23 | |
could be a really interesting, | 0:14:23 | 0:14:26 | |
entertaining, but also very meaningful theatrical work. | 0:14:26 | 0:14:32 | |
# How your most rigid theorist revises as he goes along | 0:14:32 | 0:14:38 | |
# Now you're referring to Wang Ming, Chaiang, Chang Kuo-tao and Li Li-san | 0:14:38 | 0:14:47 | |
# I spoke generally | 0:14:47 | 0:14:49 | |
# The line we take now is a paradox | 0:14:49 | 0:14:52 | |
# Among the followers of Marx | 0:14:57 | 0:15:00 | |
# The extreme left | 0:15:00 | 0:15:02 | |
# The doctrinaire | 0:15:02 | 0:15:04 | |
-# Tend to be fascist -And the far right? | 0:15:04 | 0:15:08 | |
# True Marxism is called that by the extreme left | 0:15:08 | 0:15:13 | |
# Occasionally the true left calls a spade a spade | 0:15:14 | 0:15:19 | |
# And tells the left it's right... # | 0:15:19 | 0:15:21 | |
Although there's a great deal of humour, | 0:15:31 | 0:15:33 | |
and I make fun of the pomposity of both Nixon and Mao, | 0:15:33 | 0:15:40 | |
the essence of Nixon In China goes much deeper than satire, | 0:15:40 | 0:15:44 | |
and there are moments of great poignancy. | 0:15:44 | 0:15:47 | |
I think I can say, without any qualification, that this | 0:15:47 | 0:15:52 | |
opera has the best libretto written in the 20th century. | 0:15:52 | 0:15:55 | |
# We have at times been enemies | 0:16:01 | 0:16:04 | |
# We still have differences | 0:16:04 | 0:16:06 | |
# God knows | 0:16:06 | 0:16:08 | |
# But let us in these next five days | 0:16:11 | 0:16:16 | |
# Start a long march | 0:16:17 | 0:16:20 | |
# On new highways | 0:16:20 | 0:16:23 | |
# In different lanes but parallel | 0:16:23 | 0:16:27 | |
# And heading for a single goal | 0:16:28 | 0:16:33 | |
# The world watches and listens | 0:16:36 | 0:16:40 | |
# We must seize the hour | 0:16:40 | 0:16:43 | |
# We must seize the hour | 0:16:44 | 0:16:47 | |
# We must seize the hour | 0:16:47 | 0:16:50 | |
# We must seize the hour | 0:16:50 | 0:16:54 | |
# And seize the day. # | 0:16:54 | 0:16:57 | |
I think if you're going to be an opera composer, | 0:17:03 | 0:17:05 | |
you can't be a purist. | 0:17:05 | 0:17:07 | |
You have to be willing to draw in any number of influences to make | 0:17:07 | 0:17:13 | |
the operatic experience as fluid and as varied as life is. | 0:17:13 | 0:17:19 | |
I think that's certainly what made Mozart such a great composer, | 0:17:19 | 0:17:23 | |
and Verdi, so if Nixon In China is a success, | 0:17:23 | 0:17:30 | |
it's partly because it reflects what American life is like. | 0:17:30 | 0:17:35 | |
It reflects the combination of the demotic musical objects | 0:17:35 | 0:17:43 | |
that are very corny and vulgar, | 0:17:43 | 0:17:46 | |
and then the opposite. | 0:17:46 | 0:17:48 | |
It also reflects very noble and...deeply imagined... | 0:17:48 | 0:17:57 | |
..expressions of the human soul. | 0:17:59 | 0:18:01 | |
I'd grown up in New England and I'd spent my entire life there. | 0:18:41 | 0:18:45 | |
I'd never even been to Europe. | 0:18:45 | 0:18:47 | |
I was 22 years old, I was married to my first wife at the time | 0:18:48 | 0:18:53 | |
and she had never been anywhere, either. | 0:18:53 | 0:18:55 | |
And so we took a trip across the country. | 0:18:56 | 0:18:59 | |
The trip was a kind of symbol of liberation, you know, | 0:19:01 | 0:19:05 | |
it was a road trip | 0:19:05 | 0:19:07 | |
and that's a classic American archetype... | 0:19:07 | 0:19:12 | |
You know, whether it's Jack Kerouac or many of the great...folk singers | 0:19:12 | 0:19:20 | |
like Woody Guthrie or whatever, | 0:19:20 | 0:19:23 | |
the idea of the road trip, the American movement | 0:19:23 | 0:19:26 | |
across the landscape, was some unknown...destiny. | 0:19:26 | 0:19:34 | |
In retrospect, it seems like it was a great moment in my life, | 0:19:34 | 0:19:38 | |
and I did not intend to stay in California. | 0:19:38 | 0:19:41 | |
I thought I would go back to school and have a nice dreary, | 0:19:41 | 0:19:47 | |
pedestrian life as a college professor, | 0:19:47 | 0:19:50 | |
but I got out here and I really found myself. | 0:19:50 | 0:19:55 | |
And it was the first time I'd experienced the Pacific Ocean, | 0:20:10 | 0:20:14 | |
which is, it's a palpably different feel | 0:20:14 | 0:20:18 | |
than you get on the Atlantic coast. | 0:20:18 | 0:20:21 | |
On the Pacific, the land is very jagged. | 0:20:21 | 0:20:23 | |
There are huge cliffs that drop down and down the Big Sur, | 0:20:23 | 0:20:28 | |
you can stand and just watch the immense forest of the Pacific Ocean | 0:20:28 | 0:20:34 | |
pound against this continental shelf, and it's very awe-inspiring. | 0:20:34 | 0:20:39 | |
It's hard to look at that, it's hard to experience it, without feeling | 0:20:41 | 0:20:45 | |
a certain sense of the divine, of the power of other worldly beings. | 0:20:45 | 0:20:52 | |
The Dharma At Big Sur brings together the notion of the Dharma, | 0:21:10 | 0:21:17 | |
of the search for the essence of our being, and Big Sur, | 0:21:17 | 0:21:22 | |
which is one of the most memorable, beautiful | 0:21:22 | 0:21:27 | |
and provocatively transcendental locations in the United States. | 0:21:27 | 0:21:34 | |
So the work is this kind of long, flowing first movement that is | 0:21:35 | 0:21:41 | |
a rhapsody in which I let the violinist float above the orchestra. | 0:21:41 | 0:21:47 | |
There's no improvising in the piece. | 0:21:47 | 0:21:49 | |
And then the second half is this gradual, kind of very slow | 0:21:49 | 0:21:54 | |
picking up of speed and waves of sound that culminates in a big, | 0:21:54 | 0:21:59 | |
kind of ecstatic climax at the end. | 0:21:59 | 0:22:02 | |
I think I borrowed the form from the raga, in other words, | 0:22:02 | 0:22:07 | |
a slow introduction and then a fast, ecstatic...dance at the end. | 0:22:07 | 0:22:15 | |
MUSIC: "The Dharma At Big Sur" | 0:22:15 | 0:22:19 | |
Spiritual matters have always meant a great deal to me, | 0:23:32 | 0:23:36 | |
and I've always experienced music as this strange | 0:23:36 | 0:23:42 | |
combination of the spiritual and the erotic. | 0:23:42 | 0:23:47 | |
I think many of my pieces confront that, | 0:23:47 | 0:23:53 | |
whether it's early pieces like Shaker Loops or Harmonium, | 0:23:53 | 0:23:58 | |
or even the most recent ones like The Dharma At Big Sur, | 0:23:58 | 0:24:02 | |
and, for sure, The Gospel According To The Other Mary. | 0:24:02 | 0:24:05 | |
There's this potent collusion | 0:24:05 | 0:24:09 | |
of sexuality and eroticism, | 0:24:09 | 0:24:13 | |
and then the desire for spiritual transcendence. | 0:24:13 | 0:24:20 | |
John Adams arrived in San Francisco in 1972. | 0:24:40 | 0:24:44 | |
He started out in Berkeley, | 0:24:44 | 0:24:47 | |
the cradle of West Coast student radicalism. | 0:24:47 | 0:24:49 | |
He took a series of relatively menial jobs, | 0:24:50 | 0:24:53 | |
including work in the open docks. | 0:24:53 | 0:24:55 | |
In the spirit of the times, he wanted to be a working-class | 0:24:56 | 0:24:59 | |
composer, earning his living the hard way and composing at night. | 0:24:59 | 0:25:03 | |
Things weren't that easy, and he was fortunate to land a job | 0:25:05 | 0:25:08 | |
teaching at the San Francisco Conservatory Of Music, | 0:25:08 | 0:25:12 | |
where he stayed for nine years. | 0:25:12 | 0:25:14 | |
I suspect I was a terrible teacher | 0:25:14 | 0:25:15 | |
because I didn't really know what I was doing. | 0:25:15 | 0:25:19 | |
I talked about whatever was on my mind, you know. | 0:25:19 | 0:25:23 | |
I was supposed to be teaching harmony and I talked about Tolstoy, | 0:25:23 | 0:25:27 | |
because I had discovered Tolstoy that year, or Dante. | 0:25:27 | 0:25:31 | |
And I also did a lot of electronic music, making crazy pieces. | 0:25:36 | 0:25:40 | |
I even built my own synthesiser. | 0:25:40 | 0:25:43 | |
It was a wonderful time because I was young, I was in my 20s, | 0:25:44 | 0:25:49 | |
I taught analysis, | 0:25:49 | 0:25:51 | |
I spent a lot of time teaching Beethoven string quartets | 0:25:51 | 0:25:54 | |
and Wagner operas, and usually I was only one week ahead of the students. | 0:25:54 | 0:25:59 | |
You know, I didn't know Tristan And Isolde - I taught | 0:25:59 | 0:26:03 | |
Act One even though I'd never even experienced Act Three. | 0:26:03 | 0:26:07 | |
I was a bachelor at that point. I had broken up with my first wife, | 0:26:18 | 0:26:22 | |
so I read biographies of composers, I read social history, | 0:26:22 | 0:26:29 | |
I read Karl Marx, Sartre, Dickens... I got deeply involved in Buddhism | 0:26:29 | 0:26:35 | |
for a period, and I also got very interested in electronics. | 0:26:35 | 0:26:40 | |
In the '70s, most of the music that I took seriously | 0:26:42 | 0:26:49 | |
was... | 0:26:49 | 0:26:52 | |
the very radical avant-garde style. | 0:26:52 | 0:26:56 | |
Either European high modernism, or, in this country, | 0:26:56 | 0:27:03 | |
probably John Cage and all of his epigones. | 0:27:03 | 0:27:08 | |
And there was something strangely unsatisfying about it. | 0:27:08 | 0:27:13 | |
I was often really bored by it. | 0:27:13 | 0:27:16 | |
If you listen to a piece, | 0:27:16 | 0:27:18 | |
you know, by any of those avant-garde composers, there's no beat, | 0:27:18 | 0:27:22 | |
there's no pulse, there's no melody, there's no identifiable harmony... | 0:27:22 | 0:27:27 | |
It's pretty bleak landscape, and the music of Steve Reich... | 0:27:30 | 0:27:37 | |
..and Terry Riley, and then later, I heard some | 0:27:37 | 0:27:41 | |
excerpts from Einstein On The Beach when Philip Glass came through... | 0:27:41 | 0:27:45 | |
It was very radical, because it did have a beat, | 0:27:47 | 0:27:51 | |
and it was tonal and it was also very insistent. | 0:27:51 | 0:27:55 | |
Particularly Glass's music. | 0:27:55 | 0:27:57 | |
MUSIC: "Phrygian Gates" | 0:28:01 | 0:28:05 | |
I began experimenting with minimalism at about the age of 30. | 0:28:29 | 0:28:34 | |
The first piece I wrote was a large canvas, | 0:28:34 | 0:28:40 | |
24-minute virtuoso piece for piano called Phrygian Gates. | 0:28:40 | 0:28:44 | |
MUSIC: "Phrygian Gates" | 0:28:44 | 0:28:48 | |
It was clearly a minimalist piece, in the sense of repetition | 0:28:57 | 0:29:01 | |
and kind of wave-like structures in music. | 0:29:01 | 0:29:04 | |
It's a very satisfying piece for me, and I still continue to enjoy it, | 0:29:18 | 0:29:23 | |
although compared to what I write now, I think it's somewhat rigid. | 0:29:23 | 0:29:27 | |
You know, I was still in the grip of the modernist demand that | 0:29:27 | 0:29:31 | |
everything be completely unified on an architectonic level. | 0:29:31 | 0:29:35 | |
With being a young Turk | 0:30:02 | 0:30:05 | |
and wanting to be on the vanguard of experimental music, | 0:30:05 | 0:30:10 | |
I thought I'd be an electronic composer | 0:30:10 | 0:30:12 | |
or write pieces for instruments, | 0:30:12 | 0:30:16 | |
maybe I invented out of spare car parts, or something like that. | 0:30:16 | 0:30:21 | |
I had absolutely no intentions of writing | 0:30:21 | 0:30:24 | |
a big piece for chorus and orchestra. | 0:30:24 | 0:30:26 | |
I was given a commission to write for the San Francisco Symphony | 0:30:29 | 0:30:33 | |
by this young Dutch conductor, Edo de Waart. | 0:30:33 | 0:30:37 | |
Now, in 1980, getting a commission from the San Francisco Symphony | 0:30:37 | 0:30:43 | |
would be like, I don't know, it would be like... | 0:30:43 | 0:30:46 | |
..Jean-Paul Sartre... | 0:30:47 | 0:30:50 | |
becoming a...a conservative, | 0:30:50 | 0:30:54 | |
er, politician or something, you know? | 0:30:54 | 0:30:57 | |
It was like a complete sell-out. | 0:30:57 | 0:31:00 | |
As far as my avant-garde friends, | 0:31:02 | 0:31:04 | |
they thought I had just become guilty of apostasy. | 0:31:04 | 0:31:08 | |
CHORAL PIECE CONTINUES | 0:31:10 | 0:31:15 | |
I really put away all my avant-garde obsessions | 0:31:15 | 0:31:19 | |
and made this piece that was very rich and very overtly emotional | 0:31:19 | 0:31:24 | |
but at the same time, compositionally it was informed by minimalism. | 0:31:24 | 0:31:29 | |
But my minimalism was very different from Reich's or Glass's, | 0:31:31 | 0:31:35 | |
much more informed by the European canon of great music. | 0:31:35 | 0:31:39 | |
I didn't try, consciously, to make a music that didn't refer to | 0:31:40 | 0:31:45 | |
Debussy or Beethoven or Wagner. | 0:31:45 | 0:31:48 | |
I invited them all in and I think the other way in which my music was different | 0:31:48 | 0:31:55 | |
than the classical minimalist gesture | 0:31:55 | 0:31:58 | |
was that I wanted to have music that had violent changes of emotion. | 0:31:58 | 0:32:04 | |
MUSIC CONTINUES | 0:32:04 | 0:32:07 | |
CHOIR SINGS | 0:32:13 | 0:32:15 | |
You know, one great thing about the Berlin Philharmonic, | 0:32:59 | 0:33:03 | |
when you see them, apropos... | 0:33:03 | 0:33:06 | |
Er, is that somehow American, particularly American orchestra musicians, | 0:33:06 | 0:33:10 | |
no matter whether they're having a good time or not, | 0:33:10 | 0:33:13 | |
they always have this poker-face, like they're baseball players. | 0:33:13 | 0:33:16 | |
You're not supposed to show you're enjoying yourself. | 0:33:16 | 0:33:18 | |
But the Berlin Phil, | 0:33:18 | 0:33:19 | |
they always look like they're really having a good time. | 0:33:19 | 0:33:22 | |
Maybe it's because they're the Berlin Phil and they know it. | 0:33:22 | 0:33:26 | |
It's good that you never lose that sense of enjoyment and excitement, | 0:33:26 | 0:33:29 | |
because there's something about a certain mode of behaviour in American orchestras | 0:33:29 | 0:33:37 | |
that gives the impression of it's just labour and it's not joy. | 0:33:37 | 0:33:43 | |
And that's why we're so lucky as musicians, you know, we can do something that we really love. | 0:33:43 | 0:33:47 | |
We don't have to do something that we don't like to earn a living. | 0:33:47 | 0:33:50 | |
OK, 248. | 0:33:50 | 0:33:52 | |
I'd been commissioned to write a string quartet for Kronos, | 0:34:03 | 0:34:07 | |
which is, of course, a very well-known avant-garde string quartet. | 0:34:07 | 0:34:11 | |
It was a really important summer for me | 0:34:11 | 0:34:14 | |
because I'd discovered Marcel Proust. | 0:34:14 | 0:34:16 | |
And I was so taken with the mood | 0:34:16 | 0:34:20 | |
of Proust's prose, of his writing, | 0:34:20 | 0:34:24 | |
this wonderful kind of dreamlike atmosphere, and the sensuality of it | 0:34:24 | 0:34:30 | |
and the poignancy of it, the sentiment. | 0:34:33 | 0:34:37 | |
And I tried to bring this into the string quartet at the same time that I was trying to | 0:34:37 | 0:34:45 | |
develop my interest in minimalism. | 0:34:45 | 0:34:48 | |
And it was a failure, it didn't work. | 0:34:48 | 0:34:50 | |
Look, on certain levels, this is not a very difficult piece. | 0:34:50 | 0:34:54 | |
But on other levels, | 0:34:54 | 0:34:56 | |
it presents challenges to extreme rhythmic precision. | 0:34:56 | 0:35:03 | |
So that when you start to play louder... | 0:35:03 | 0:35:05 | |
..your bow is going to change because you have to dig in more. | 0:35:07 | 0:35:10 | |
And it's OK, I mean, you can have a good performance, | 0:35:10 | 0:35:15 | |
but to get a really good performance, | 0:35:15 | 0:35:17 | |
you just really have to lock that in. | 0:35:17 | 0:35:19 | |
And where the trouble starts is around 60 or so. | 0:35:19 | 0:35:23 | |
When you start getting louder, and people start introducing accents. | 0:35:23 | 0:35:27 | |
I hear just these little moment of blur | 0:35:28 | 0:35:31 | |
and I want it to just be...taka-taka, taka-taka, taka-taka, taka-taka... | 0:35:31 | 0:35:34 | |
STRINGS PLAY PRIMARY RHYTHM | 0:35:36 | 0:35:39 | |
I did something really good. | 0:36:35 | 0:36:38 | |
I made a wise decision which is that I looked at this quartet | 0:36:38 | 0:36:41 | |
and I identified some things in it that were good | 0:36:41 | 0:36:44 | |
and I threw out everything else. | 0:36:44 | 0:36:47 | |
And I took just the rhythmic core of the piece | 0:36:47 | 0:36:54 | |
and I somehow understood | 0:36:54 | 0:36:56 | |
that this musical material wanted to do something else. | 0:36:56 | 0:37:01 | |
I was trying to force it to behave in another way that | 0:37:03 | 0:37:07 | |
I intellectually thought it should go. | 0:37:07 | 0:37:10 | |
And it was that point in my life | 0:37:10 | 0:37:12 | |
where I realised that musical material is like it's own being, it's like a plant. | 0:37:12 | 0:37:17 | |
And as a composer, you have to be a good gardener, | 0:37:17 | 0:37:21 | |
and you have to know what the potential of this material is, | 0:37:21 | 0:37:26 | |
you can't force it into some preconceived intellectual mode. | 0:37:26 | 0:37:30 | |
You can, but the chances are it'll be stillborn. | 0:37:30 | 0:37:34 | |
And I turned it into a piece called Shaker Loops, which got it right | 0:37:34 | 0:37:40 | |
because in Shaker Loops, the music is doing what it wants to do. | 0:37:40 | 0:37:44 | |
My father was unaffiliated, he had no interest in religion. | 0:40:16 | 0:40:21 | |
My mother on the other hand had grown up in an Irish Catholic family. | 0:40:21 | 0:40:25 | |
Going to church was a very meaningful experience. | 0:40:25 | 0:40:28 | |
We didn't go to the Catholic Church, | 0:40:28 | 0:40:30 | |
but she sang in the Episcopal choir, | 0:40:30 | 0:40:32 | |
and then when I was about 13 or 14, | 0:40:32 | 0:40:36 | |
she changed to the Unitarian Church and I went with her. | 0:40:36 | 0:40:42 | |
I was drawn to spiritual matters at that age. | 0:40:45 | 0:40:49 | |
Of course, Unitarianism is a classic New England... | 0:40:49 | 0:40:54 | |
far more philosophical practice than it is a logical one. | 0:40:54 | 0:40:59 | |
It's a mixture of very enlightened Protestant Christianity | 0:40:59 | 0:41:04 | |
and the best of philosophical transcendentalism. | 0:41:04 | 0:41:10 | |
We think of Ralph Waldo Emerson, Henry David Thoreau. | 0:41:10 | 0:41:15 | |
INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC PLAYS | 0:41:15 | 0:41:17 | |
I think there's quite a landscape quality to... | 0:41:41 | 0:41:47 | |
a lot of his... | 0:41:47 | 0:41:48 | |
It's spacious orchestral writing. | 0:41:48 | 0:41:52 | |
I used to do a lot of road trips when the kids were young | 0:41:53 | 0:41:58 | |
and I would just go out to do some photographs and I would take, | 0:41:58 | 0:42:02 | |
you know, a lot of CDs or back then it was, I think, cassette tapes of John's music, | 0:42:02 | 0:42:07 | |
and turn it up really loud and put the windows down, you know, | 0:42:07 | 0:42:09 | |
and just drive. And it was just like the most exhilarating feeling to do that. | 0:42:09 | 0:42:15 | |
I think we both feel that we kind of mutually inform each other. | 0:42:15 | 0:42:20 | |
I mean there are times when he's seen photographs that I've made and then said | 0:42:20 | 0:42:25 | |
that inspired some passage or, you know, piece that he did. | 0:42:25 | 0:42:28 | |
PIANO PLAYS | 0:42:28 | 0:42:32 | |
It's sort of an unspoken kind of collaboration, | 0:42:32 | 0:42:35 | |
it's that thing that we share a love of and we each approach it in our own way. | 0:42:35 | 0:42:39 | |
I think that's the best way to say it. | 0:42:40 | 0:42:42 | |
When he wrote a piece called Hallelujah Junction, | 0:42:44 | 0:42:48 | |
and then he called his book Hallelujah Junction, | 0:42:48 | 0:42:50 | |
which is a place out in the middle of Sierra Valley, which is a place | 0:42:50 | 0:42:53 | |
that we've been going since before we were married, actually. | 0:42:53 | 0:42:57 | |
Just at that part, it's the Eastern Sierra slopes down in toward Reno, | 0:42:57 | 0:43:02 | |
and that's where Hallelujah Junction is. | 0:43:02 | 0:43:05 | |
MUSIC CONTINUES | 0:43:05 | 0:43:08 | |
My companion Debbie, my wife, | 0:43:16 | 0:43:19 | |
for the last 28 years or more, | 0:43:19 | 0:43:23 | |
has played a tremendously important role in both my artistic | 0:43:23 | 0:43:28 | |
as well as my spiritual life. | 0:43:28 | 0:43:31 | |
We talk about these matters all the time and we've, you know, | 0:43:32 | 0:43:35 | |
we've gone through our adult lives and are approaching, you know, | 0:43:35 | 0:43:40 | |
our old age together. | 0:43:40 | 0:43:42 | |
And she is a very, very profoundly deep thinker | 0:43:42 | 0:43:48 | |
and has long been involved in the study of philosophy, | 0:43:48 | 0:43:52 | |
and particularly the work of Carl Jung. | 0:43:52 | 0:43:55 | |
And so she's not only my mate and my wife, | 0:43:56 | 0:43:59 | |
but also my soul buddy, which is something I am deeply grateful for. | 0:43:59 | 0:44:05 | |
OPERATIC PIECE PLAYS | 0:44:06 | 0:44:08 | |
Like most of his fellow countrymen, John Adams is | 0:45:10 | 0:45:13 | |
rooted in a profound sense of what it is to be an American. | 0:45:13 | 0:45:16 | |
Throughout its history, | 0:45:16 | 0:45:18 | |
America has reflected the values of its Founding Fathers, | 0:45:18 | 0:45:21 | |
driven as they were by a sense of creating heaven on earth. | 0:45:21 | 0:45:24 | |
The spirituality that illuminates so much of Adams's music is | 0:45:26 | 0:45:30 | |
connected to a deeply felt engagement with the world | 0:45:30 | 0:45:33 | |
in which the humanity of the individual, | 0:45:33 | 0:45:35 | |
caught up in the often tragic web of history, is paramount, | 0:45:35 | 0:45:39 | |
whether it be President Nixon or Chou En-lai, | 0:45:39 | 0:45:41 | |
the Palestinians who murdered the American cruise ship passenger, Leon Klinghoffer, | 0:45:41 | 0:45:46 | |
or Robert Oppenheimer, the inventor of the atomic bomb. | 0:45:46 | 0:45:50 | |
# Batter my heart | 0:45:50 | 0:45:55 | |
# Three-personed God | 0:45:55 | 0:46:02 | |
# For you | 0:46:02 | 0:46:04 | |
# As yet | 0:46:04 | 0:46:06 | |
# But knock | 0:46:06 | 0:46:10 | |
# Breathe | 0:46:10 | 0:46:12 | |
# Knock | 0:46:12 | 0:46:15 | |
# Breathe | 0:46:15 | 0:46:17 | |
# Knock | 0:46:17 | 0:46:18 | |
# Breathe | 0:46:18 | 0:46:19 | |
# Shine and seek to mend | 0:46:19 | 0:46:29 | |
# Batter my heart | 0:46:29 | 0:46:33 | |
# Three-personed God | 0:46:33 | 0:46:38 | |
# That I may rise and stand | 0:46:38 | 0:46:45 | |
# O'er throw me and bend your force | 0:46:45 | 0:46:55 | |
# To break | 0:46:55 | 0:46:58 | |
# Blow | 0:46:58 | 0:47:00 | |
# Break | 0:47:00 | 0:47:03 | |
# Blow | 0:47:03 | 0:47:05 | |
# Break, blow | 0:47:05 | 0:47:07 | |
# Burn and make me new. # | 0:47:07 | 0:47:16 | |
I get a phone call from the New York Philharmonic saying that, um, | 0:47:47 | 0:47:51 | |
the orchestra wanted me to write a piece to commemorate | 0:47:51 | 0:47:54 | |
the first anniversary of the World Trade Center attacks. | 0:47:54 | 0:47:58 | |
It was a very difficult situation for me, | 0:47:58 | 0:48:00 | |
because I didn't see how one could write a piece | 0:48:00 | 0:48:04 | |
that would be in any kind of good taste or have a really deep meaning about something | 0:48:04 | 0:48:10 | |
that was so recent and had caused terrible scars | 0:48:10 | 0:48:15 | |
on the collective consciousness of the country. | 0:48:15 | 0:48:20 | |
I ended up by writing a piece that was very private. | 0:48:26 | 0:48:29 | |
It uses huge forces, probably 200 people on a stage, | 0:48:30 | 0:48:35 | |
a children's chorus, an adult chorus and a very large orchestra. | 0:48:35 | 0:48:39 | |
But it's a work that is largely pianissimo | 0:48:39 | 0:48:42 | |
and I thought of it as a work that, um... | 0:48:42 | 0:48:47 | |
in which the souls of the people who died | 0:48:48 | 0:48:55 | |
were kind of hovering in the performance space in a very, very quiet way. | 0:48:55 | 0:48:59 | |
VOICES DESCRIBE VICTIMS | 0:49:00 | 0:49:01 | |
# We will miss you | 0:49:16 | 0:49:18 | |
# We all love you | 0:49:24 | 0:49:28 | |
# We miss you | 0:49:28 | 0:49:31 | |
# We love you | 0:49:31 | 0:49:34 | |
# Miss you | 0:49:34 | 0:49:37 | |
# Love you... # | 0:49:37 | 0:49:41 | |
John Adams's politics have been more subtle than dogmatic. | 0:50:05 | 0:50:09 | |
Not least in his work with Peter Sellars. | 0:50:09 | 0:50:12 | |
Their latest collaboration revisits Christ's Passion | 0:50:12 | 0:50:15 | |
in a thoroughly contemporary and fiercely political way, | 0:50:15 | 0:50:18 | |
giving voice to the usually silent women who | 0:50:18 | 0:50:21 | |
stand on the periphery of the Gospel story. | 0:50:21 | 0:50:23 | |
I should probably get them, if I have a copy, just to show you. | 0:51:26 | 0:51:31 | |
Here's the first draft that has what Peter gave me. | 0:51:36 | 0:51:43 | |
You can see how Peter works, | 0:51:43 | 0:51:45 | |
he doesn't write an original work himself. | 0:51:45 | 0:51:48 | |
What he does is he assembles texts he's Xeroxed straight from the Bible. | 0:51:48 | 0:51:53 | |
This is Peter's handwriting and there's more Xerox from a different author. | 0:51:53 | 0:51:58 | |
Then there is a poem by the Mexican poet, woman poet, | 0:51:58 | 0:52:04 | |
Rosario Castellanos, in the original Spanish. | 0:52:04 | 0:52:08 | |
Then I have my, my modes, my scales, my material. | 0:52:09 | 0:52:15 | |
Which I use largely to prod myself to move out of my comfort zone. | 0:52:17 | 0:52:24 | |
I assign myself certain musical challenges | 0:52:24 | 0:52:29 | |
to find within a certain scale or mode, an expressive potential. | 0:52:29 | 0:52:35 | |
You know, I am 65 years old, I've been composing for 45 years | 0:53:04 | 0:53:09 | |
and I still don't know if something's going to work or not. | 0:53:09 | 0:53:15 | |
And maybe that's a good thing because it means | 0:53:15 | 0:53:18 | |
I'm not falling back on familiar solutions that I know will work. | 0:53:18 | 0:53:23 | |
I took a lot of risks in this piece | 0:53:23 | 0:53:25 | |
and I think it actually in the end, it worked. | 0:53:25 | 0:53:31 | |
I was very satisfied with it, which I didn't expect I would be. | 0:53:31 | 0:53:34 | |
POIGNANT VIOLIN PLAYS | 0:55:23 | 0:55:27 | |
I arrived here in 1971, so 41 years ago. | 0:55:47 | 0:55:52 | |
And California has changed a lot since then. | 0:55:54 | 0:55:58 | |
It's still possible to be in very, very remote places here in the West. | 0:55:58 | 0:56:06 | |
We have a little cabin high up in the Sierras where our children | 0:56:15 | 0:56:20 | |
spent their summers. | 0:56:20 | 0:56:21 | |
'And I've had some of my really wonderful musical ideas | 0:56:22 | 0:56:28 | |
'when I've been out in that landscape. | 0:56:28 | 0:56:31 | |
'Sometimes in an automobile, sometimes hiking.' | 0:56:31 | 0:56:34 | |
'It's become harder and harder for Americans to feel that freedom' | 0:56:42 | 0:56:48 | |
because our lives are so intertwined with technology now. | 0:56:48 | 0:56:56 | |
I don't think people have even had the ability to stand back and to see | 0:56:56 | 0:57:01 | |
how...damaging the digital experience has been | 0:57:01 | 0:57:09 | |
on human consciousness. | 0:57:09 | 0:57:12 | |
I'm just beginning to understand that about myself, | 0:57:12 | 0:57:16 | |
that when you stare into a computer screen, | 0:57:16 | 0:57:20 | |
you're going into the virtual environment and it's not real. | 0:57:20 | 0:57:24 | |
I think that being in a lonely place, | 0:57:24 | 0:57:29 | |
in a place where you are away from that constant chatter, | 0:57:29 | 0:57:34 | |
that constant vibration with the sort of collective psyche, | 0:57:34 | 0:57:39 | |
then you're alone with yourself and you're experiencing true solitude, | 0:57:39 | 0:57:45 | |
is a profoundly necessary thing for one's psyche | 0:57:45 | 0:57:51 | |
and, um... | 0:57:51 | 0:57:53 | |
the older I get, the more I realise that I need that. | 0:57:53 | 0:57:58 | |
That it feeds... It feeds, you know, the deepest part of myself. | 0:57:58 | 0:58:03 | |
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