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# It was good what we did yesterday | 0:00:06 | 0:00:09 | |
# And I'd do it once again | 0:00:12 | 0:00:15 | |
# The fact that you are married | 0:00:17 | 0:00:20 | |
# Only proves you're my best friend | 0:00:22 | 0:00:27 | |
# But it truly, truly is sin | 0:00:29 | 0:00:32 | |
# Linger on | 0:00:36 | 0:00:40 | |
# Your pale blue eyes | 0:00:42 | 0:00:44 | |
# Linger on | 0:00:47 | 0:00:52 | |
# Your pale blue eyes. # | 0:00:52 | 0:00:54 | |
During a career lasting over five decades, | 0:01:04 | 0:01:07 | |
Lou Reed transformed rock music. | 0:01:07 | 0:01:09 | |
With his band, The Velvet Underground, | 0:01:10 | 0:01:12 | |
he never achieved commercial success, | 0:01:12 | 0:01:14 | |
but virtually invented the alternative rock scene. | 0:01:14 | 0:01:17 | |
A solo artist, he never lost sight of his desire to disturb, | 0:01:17 | 0:01:21 | |
shock and thrill. | 0:01:21 | 0:01:22 | |
# What goes on in your mind? | 0:01:25 | 0:01:27 | |
# I think that I am falling down... # | 0:01:27 | 0:01:30 | |
Tonight, friends, colleagues, and fans remember him. | 0:01:30 | 0:01:34 | |
Guitarist Lenny Kaye, who became part of the Patti Smith band, | 0:01:59 | 0:02:03 | |
was one of the countless musicians inspired by the Velvet Underground | 0:02:03 | 0:02:06 | |
during their now legendary summer-long residency | 0:02:06 | 0:02:09 | |
at Max's Kansas City in 1970, shortly before Lou left. | 0:02:09 | 0:02:13 | |
Lou really had this romantic streak. | 0:02:16 | 0:02:19 | |
He told me about a song by a group called Alicia & the Rockaways that | 0:02:24 | 0:02:29 | |
was very close to him when he was growing up on Long Island, | 0:02:29 | 0:02:33 | |
and over the next three years, | 0:02:33 | 0:02:35 | |
I made it my point to search it out and find it for him. | 0:02:35 | 0:02:38 | |
# Why can't I be loved? | 0:02:41 | 0:02:44 | |
# Why doesn't someone take me? | 0:02:44 | 0:02:48 | |
# If I've been asleep | 0:02:51 | 0:02:53 | |
# Won't someone please come in and wake me? # | 0:02:53 | 0:02:58 | |
Lou loved pop music, that was what his root was, in a sense. | 0:03:00 | 0:03:04 | |
He loved a beautiful, simple lyric, a heartfelt emotion. | 0:03:04 | 0:03:10 | |
He could push the limits of what was possible within rock'n'roll, | 0:03:12 | 0:03:17 | |
sexually and pharmacologically, and sensually. | 0:03:17 | 0:03:23 | |
But you could always feel his beating heart underneath that. | 0:03:25 | 0:03:30 | |
His songs are so, so beautiful, you know? | 0:03:32 | 0:03:35 | |
I'm Set Free and Pale Blue Eyes, I mean... | 0:03:35 | 0:03:39 | |
these are songs that come from not something that wishes | 0:03:39 | 0:03:43 | |
to confront, but something that wishes to heal. | 0:03:43 | 0:03:46 | |
Lou could be very prismatic. | 0:03:53 | 0:03:55 | |
He liked creating alter egos to reflect different | 0:03:57 | 0:04:00 | |
sides of his personality. Lisa says, you know, Jenny says. | 0:04:00 | 0:04:05 | |
And yet, they were all resolutely him. | 0:04:08 | 0:04:12 | |
# Candy says... | 0:04:12 | 0:04:16 | |
# Caroline says that I'm just a toy... | 0:04:19 | 0:04:23 | |
# Lisa says... | 0:04:26 | 0:04:28 | |
-# Stephanie says -Stephanie says | 0:04:30 | 0:04:34 | |
# When answering the phone... | 0:04:34 | 0:04:36 | |
# Caroline says | 0:04:36 | 0:04:38 | |
# As she gets up off the floor... # | 0:04:42 | 0:04:46 | |
His solo career is really... It just keeps moving back and forth. | 0:04:48 | 0:04:55 | |
# Last great American whale | 0:04:57 | 0:04:59 | |
# Last great American whale... # | 0:05:01 | 0:05:03 | |
And then, you know, in the glorious late '80s and '90s | 0:05:03 | 0:05:06 | |
when he started doing those beautiful song cycles about his environment | 0:05:06 | 0:05:10 | |
and his past in New York. | 0:05:10 | 0:05:13 | |
# Last great American whale | 0:05:13 | 0:05:14 | |
# Well, Americans don't care very much for anything | 0:05:16 | 0:05:19 | |
# Land and water the least | 0:05:20 | 0:05:22 | |
# Animal life is low on the totem pole | 0:05:27 | 0:05:30 | |
# And human life is not worth much more than infected yeast | 0:05:30 | 0:05:33 | |
# Well, Americans don't care too much for beauty | 0:05:35 | 0:05:38 | |
# They'll shit in a river and dump battery acid in a stream | 0:05:39 | 0:05:43 | |
# They'll watch dead rats wash up on the beaches | 0:05:45 | 0:05:48 | |
# Complain if they can't swim... # | 0:05:50 | 0:05:52 | |
His meditation with John Cale on Drella, Andy Warhol. | 0:05:54 | 0:05:59 | |
He's getting more reflective. | 0:05:59 | 0:06:02 | |
You could feel his questing mind. | 0:06:02 | 0:06:04 | |
# There's only one good thing about a small town | 0:06:04 | 0:06:07 | |
# There's only one good use for a small town | 0:06:07 | 0:06:09 | |
# There's only one good thing about a small town | 0:06:09 | 0:06:12 | |
# You know that you want to get out | 0:06:12 | 0:06:14 | |
# When you're growing up in a small town, you know | 0:06:14 | 0:06:17 | |
# You'll grow down in a small town | 0:06:17 | 0:06:19 | |
# There's only one good use for a small town | 0:06:19 | 0:06:22 | |
# You hate it, and you know you'll have to leave. # | 0:06:22 | 0:06:25 | |
I think Lou understood that, as Lou Reed, | 0:06:26 | 0:06:30 | |
he had a certain sense of power. | 0:06:30 | 0:06:32 | |
But, at the end of the day, you've got to come home, close the door | 0:06:34 | 0:06:37 | |
and live with your creation, your Frankenstein creation. | 0:06:37 | 0:06:42 | |
I'll be your mirror, reflect what you are in case you don't know. | 0:06:44 | 0:06:48 | |
You look at his work and what you're seeing as the Lou Reed | 0:06:48 | 0:06:53 | |
you are seeing was really yourself. | 0:06:53 | 0:06:56 | |
Writer Victor Bockris worked for Andy Warhol's Interview magazine | 0:07:01 | 0:07:04 | |
in the early '70s | 0:07:04 | 0:07:05 | |
and went on to write books on The Velvet Underground, | 0:07:05 | 0:07:07 | |
William Burroughs, Warhol himself, and John Cale. | 0:07:07 | 0:07:11 | |
His first Lou Reed biography, Transformer, was published in 1995. | 0:07:12 | 0:07:17 | |
I'll get back to you in a few minutes | 0:07:22 | 0:07:23 | |
and let you know what else is going on. | 0:07:23 | 0:07:26 | |
He's a poet, he was inspired by poets. | 0:07:26 | 0:07:29 | |
He comes out of poetry, he comes out of Baudelaire and Poe | 0:07:29 | 0:07:33 | |
and all that - Rimbaud. | 0:07:33 | 0:07:35 | |
He saw that rock'n'roll was a totally adolescent musical form | 0:07:35 | 0:07:40 | |
at that time. | 0:07:40 | 0:07:41 | |
It was really written for adolescence and sold to adolescence and so on. | 0:07:41 | 0:07:45 | |
And he made a conscious decision - | 0:07:45 | 0:07:47 | |
how about making rock'n'roll for adults? | 0:07:47 | 0:07:50 | |
Which is sort of like writing a more complex, | 0:07:50 | 0:07:54 | |
existentialist novel, as opposed to an adventure story for kids. | 0:07:54 | 0:07:58 | |
And so therefore, when you write War And Peace or whatever, | 0:07:58 | 0:08:01 | |
of course there are great ecstasies and there are great depths. | 0:08:01 | 0:08:04 | |
He really studied very hard the short story form, | 0:08:04 | 0:08:08 | |
Raymond Chandler particularly, to see how to translate that into song | 0:08:08 | 0:08:13 | |
lyrics, where you tell a story in a song, even though it's fragmented. | 0:08:13 | 0:08:17 | |
Because Lou originally wanted to be a writer. | 0:08:19 | 0:08:21 | |
When he went to college, he was a writer, | 0:08:21 | 0:08:25 | |
he was writing short stories and things in college magazines. | 0:08:25 | 0:08:28 | |
He actually published his own magazine. | 0:08:28 | 0:08:31 | |
And when he had the electric shock treatments, he couldn't remember. | 0:08:31 | 0:08:34 | |
He'd read something, and he couldn't remember what he'd read. | 0:08:34 | 0:08:36 | |
He'd open a book and didn't know where he was, | 0:08:36 | 0:08:38 | |
because it takes away your short-term memory for while, for a week. | 0:08:38 | 0:08:42 | |
Plus, you have to remember his parents made him do this | 0:08:42 | 0:08:46 | |
to cure him of homosexuality. | 0:08:46 | 0:08:48 | |
Can you imagine your parents... They took him there without telling him. | 0:08:48 | 0:08:52 | |
They said, we're going to go to see a doctor. OK. | 0:08:52 | 0:08:55 | |
You get there, and you're going to have shock treatments then and there. | 0:08:55 | 0:08:59 | |
That is such an incredible betrayal. | 0:08:59 | 0:09:01 | |
I think the betrayal of the parents, particularly the mother, | 0:09:01 | 0:09:06 | |
was as shocking as the actual treatments themselves, you know? | 0:09:06 | 0:09:09 | |
In terms of his whole psyche. | 0:09:09 | 0:09:10 | |
Bob Quine told me, | 0:09:13 | 0:09:14 | |
he said that all the time he hung out with Lou for a few years, | 0:09:14 | 0:09:18 | |
one time - he only saw Lou frightened once. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:20 | |
That was when they were walking up the street | 0:09:20 | 0:09:23 | |
and they bumped into his parents. | 0:09:23 | 0:09:25 | |
Lou particularly was into amphetamines. | 0:09:31 | 0:09:34 | |
His mind was full of images from his life, from his experiences, | 0:09:34 | 0:09:39 | |
from literature and so one, and he's pouring it out. | 0:09:39 | 0:09:42 | |
I don't think amphetamines or any drugs shape those images. | 0:09:42 | 0:09:45 | |
These people were working very hard, | 0:09:45 | 0:09:47 | |
these were very serious people doing something very serious. | 0:09:47 | 0:09:50 | |
They weren't taking drugs just for fun. We all took drugs to work. | 0:09:50 | 0:09:55 | |
That was the whole idea of drugs, originally. | 0:09:55 | 0:09:57 | |
I think Lou had a wonderful, wonderful life. | 0:10:00 | 0:10:02 | |
I think he loved all of it. He lived life... | 0:10:02 | 0:10:06 | |
He said, "My week beats your year." | 0:10:06 | 0:10:09 | |
I think he's absolutely correct. | 0:10:09 | 0:10:11 | |
He experienced things and he really went into the depths of them | 0:10:11 | 0:10:15 | |
and the heights of them. | 0:10:15 | 0:10:16 | |
That's why I think we should celebrate Lou Reed, | 0:10:16 | 0:10:19 | |
because he was one of those great explorers who went seeking | 0:10:19 | 0:10:22 | |
and brought back the goods, he kept giving us music. | 0:10:22 | 0:10:25 | |
It's very thrilling music, it's enthralling music, it's music that | 0:10:27 | 0:10:30 | |
changes your life, music you keep in your heart and you don't forget. | 0:10:30 | 0:10:34 | |
It becomes part of you. That's a great achievement, you know? | 0:10:34 | 0:10:38 | |
That's why I love Lou Reed, and that's why I love his music. | 0:10:38 | 0:10:41 | |
Actor Mary Woronov was one of the Warhol crowd | 0:10:50 | 0:10:53 | |
in the heyday of the Silver Factory. | 0:10:53 | 0:10:55 | |
She first met Lou and The Velvet Underground there in 1966, | 0:10:57 | 0:11:01 | |
when Andy was both their mentor and manager. | 0:11:01 | 0:11:04 | |
The factory was silver wallpaper, black floors, | 0:11:06 | 0:11:09 | |
silver couch full of come stains. | 0:11:09 | 0:11:12 | |
It was very grim. | 0:11:13 | 0:11:14 | |
The Velvets - first of all, they're dressed entirely in black. | 0:11:19 | 0:11:23 | |
They're very strange looking. | 0:11:23 | 0:11:25 | |
They seem to know what they're doing | 0:11:25 | 0:11:27 | |
and completely never acknowledge any audience. | 0:11:27 | 0:11:30 | |
They were using feedback, | 0:11:34 | 0:11:36 | |
they were using this stuff that you couldn't call music. | 0:11:36 | 0:11:39 | |
# Seasick Sarah had a golden nose | 0:11:39 | 0:11:42 | |
# Hobnail boots wrapped round her toes... # | 0:11:42 | 0:11:45 | |
I heard later on that they were going to play at this happening - | 0:11:45 | 0:11:50 | |
they called them happenings then. | 0:11:50 | 0:11:52 | |
Someone started dancing and then I started dancing | 0:11:56 | 0:11:58 | |
and then other people sort of started to dance, | 0:11:58 | 0:12:01 | |
but the music was so strange, it didn't have a beat or whatever. | 0:12:01 | 0:12:04 | |
It had a strange beat, a strange, I don't know, | 0:12:04 | 0:12:08 | |
echoey... It was just awesome, I'd never heard anything like it before. | 0:12:08 | 0:12:12 | |
People were leaving in droves. | 0:12:17 | 0:12:18 | |
The Velvets did not care, did not stop playing. | 0:12:21 | 0:12:24 | |
They started playing Heroin, and this guy runs up | 0:12:30 | 0:12:35 | |
and throws his works down on the floor and starts to shoot up. | 0:12:35 | 0:12:39 | |
Well, the cops came. It was awful. | 0:12:39 | 0:12:42 | |
We were always having these major horror stories. | 0:12:44 | 0:12:47 | |
Nothing ever went right. | 0:12:47 | 0:12:49 | |
Heroin was New York's answer to LA's The Doors' This Is The End. | 0:12:53 | 0:12:59 | |
That's how powerful it was. | 0:13:02 | 0:13:04 | |
And it was the answer, | 0:13:04 | 0:13:06 | |
because they were all running around like hippies | 0:13:06 | 0:13:08 | |
and we were in black and white. | 0:13:08 | 0:13:09 | |
You know, they liked free love, we liked S&M. | 0:13:11 | 0:13:13 | |
# Heroin | 0:13:13 | 0:13:19 | |
# It's my wife and it's my life | 0:13:19 | 0:13:23 | |
# Because a mainer to my vein | 0:13:24 | 0:13:28 | |
# Leads to a centre in my head | 0:13:28 | 0:13:31 | |
# And then I'm better off than dead... # | 0:13:31 | 0:13:34 | |
Lou loved the transvestites, he loved the absurd humour. | 0:13:38 | 0:13:42 | |
He loved the nightlife and the kinkiness of it. He just loved it. | 0:13:42 | 0:13:48 | |
He was not interested in entertaining jack shit, he was interested | 0:13:48 | 0:13:53 | |
in these bizarre things like Venus In Furs or like, you know, Heroin. | 0:13:53 | 0:13:57 | |
And so he wrote about what interested him. | 0:13:57 | 0:14:00 | |
It was just really entertaining and it was sexy and hot. | 0:14:04 | 0:14:08 | |
And... You know, if you were high enough, | 0:14:09 | 0:14:13 | |
I guess you could spend the whole night flirting with it. | 0:14:13 | 0:14:16 | |
Also, Lou used to go, he would go all night also, and then call a cab | 0:14:16 | 0:14:22 | |
and that would be that. | 0:14:22 | 0:14:23 | |
And I would take the subway back to Brooklyn Heights | 0:14:23 | 0:14:26 | |
cos I was still living with my parents, so there was one night when | 0:14:26 | 0:14:29 | |
Lou couldn't get a cab, and he had to come with me to my parents' house. | 0:14:29 | 0:14:34 | |
# Sunday morning | 0:14:38 | 0:14:42 | |
# It's just the wasted years so close behind... # | 0:14:44 | 0:14:50 | |
I put him on the couch and I went to my little room, you know, and | 0:14:54 | 0:14:57 | |
then I heard my mother saying, "You have to get up, you have to get up." | 0:14:57 | 0:15:01 | |
So I get up and I walk out, | 0:15:01 | 0:15:03 | |
and there's my father at the breakfast table, | 0:15:03 | 0:15:06 | |
and my mother is standing over the breakfast table, and there is Lou, | 0:15:06 | 0:15:09 | |
having conversation with them in his leather jacket, you know, like this. | 0:15:09 | 0:15:13 | |
And I sat down, you know, "Hi, Mom, hi, Dad. | 0:15:16 | 0:15:20 | |
"Are you going to work yet so Lou can get some more sleep?" | 0:15:20 | 0:15:24 | |
I don't know what to say to them. | 0:15:24 | 0:15:27 | |
But it was stuff like that, | 0:15:27 | 0:15:29 | |
everybody sort of didn't plan anything, | 0:15:29 | 0:15:32 | |
or didn't have anything in mind. | 0:15:32 | 0:15:34 | |
Things just happened. | 0:15:34 | 0:15:36 | |
I think the real difference - besides the kind of music we played, | 0:15:41 | 0:15:44 | |
which was a big difference - we were there with Andy Warhol. | 0:15:44 | 0:15:48 | |
And all the attitudes that brought with it. | 0:15:48 | 0:15:51 | |
And all the talent | 0:15:51 | 0:15:52 | |
and incredible creative force that went along with Warhol. | 0:15:52 | 0:15:57 | |
The nice thing about being with Andy is it made me brave. | 0:16:00 | 0:16:04 | |
Being mean to us or dismissing us didn't mean anything, | 0:16:06 | 0:16:09 | |
no-one ever heard of us to dismiss us, so they would go after Andy. | 0:16:09 | 0:16:15 | |
When we were going to record, he pulled me aside. | 0:16:15 | 0:16:19 | |
His advice to me, he said, "Everything is really great, | 0:16:19 | 0:16:23 | |
"make sure you keep the dirty words in." | 0:16:23 | 0:16:27 | |
That was it. | 0:16:27 | 0:16:28 | |
He meant, keep it rough. | 0:16:28 | 0:16:32 | |
Don't let them turn it into this... | 0:16:33 | 0:16:38 | |
This thing anyone else could do. | 0:16:39 | 0:16:42 | |
Don't let them tame it down, don't let them make it | 0:16:42 | 0:16:45 | |
so it doesn't disturb anyone. Andy wanted to disturb people. | 0:16:45 | 0:16:49 | |
And shake it up. So did we. | 0:16:49 | 0:16:51 | |
Harvard graduate Andrew Wylie met Lou in 1972 in Max's Kansas City, | 0:16:54 | 0:16:59 | |
where the Velvets had played regularly | 0:16:59 | 0:17:02 | |
and where the Warhol crowd were still hanging out in the back room. | 0:17:02 | 0:17:05 | |
It was an achievement to get into the back room. | 0:17:07 | 0:17:10 | |
Usually, you would be hounded out if you didn't pass the depravity test. | 0:17:10 | 0:17:18 | |
What's the depravity test?! | 0:17:20 | 0:17:21 | |
You had to be fairly oblivious to odd behaviour. | 0:17:21 | 0:17:28 | |
-You couldn't be too straight. -You got through, obviously, anyway. -Yup. | 0:17:28 | 0:17:34 | |
He had I think Swastikas dyed on the side of his head, | 0:17:39 | 0:17:44 | |
and he was fairly lean, I would say. | 0:17:44 | 0:17:48 | |
He was dramatically interesting. | 0:17:51 | 0:17:53 | |
Well, I think if you grow up in a middle-class setting - | 0:17:56 | 0:18:00 | |
as he did - and you don't embrace it - | 0:18:00 | 0:18:03 | |
and he didn't - | 0:18:03 | 0:18:05 | |
then you can either head uptown or head downtown. | 0:18:05 | 0:18:10 | |
And he headed downtown. | 0:18:10 | 0:18:13 | |
# I'm waiting for my man | 0:18:14 | 0:18:17 | |
# 26 in my hand... # | 0:18:20 | 0:18:23 | |
Forgive me, but it's interesting on the wild side. | 0:18:25 | 0:18:28 | |
# Up to Lexington 125... # | 0:18:28 | 0:18:31 | |
Everyone assumes it's just about depravity, but it's not. | 0:18:31 | 0:18:36 | |
It's interesting. | 0:18:36 | 0:18:37 | |
Lou was particularly verbal. | 0:18:40 | 0:18:43 | |
The most intelligent, verbally speaking, | 0:18:43 | 0:18:46 | |
person I've met in rock'n'roll by miles. | 0:18:46 | 0:18:49 | |
So I don't think he cared that | 0:18:49 | 0:18:51 | |
other groups were more successful at all, actually. | 0:18:51 | 0:18:56 | |
I think he knew how good he was. | 0:18:57 | 0:19:00 | |
The most important thing about Lou is the writing. | 0:19:02 | 0:19:05 | |
Lou's lyrics are really, really interesting to read, | 0:19:05 | 0:19:10 | |
absent the music. | 0:19:10 | 0:19:12 | |
He is comparable to Francois Villon. | 0:19:12 | 0:19:15 | |
He's as good as they get on the page. | 0:19:15 | 0:19:18 | |
This room costs 2,000 a month, you can believe it, baby, it's true. | 0:19:21 | 0:19:25 | |
Somewhere there is a landlord laughing till he wets his pants. | 0:19:25 | 0:19:30 | |
No-one dreams of being a doctor or a lawyer or anything. | 0:19:30 | 0:19:33 | |
They just dream of dealing on the boulevard. | 0:19:33 | 0:19:36 | |
Give me your hungry, your tired, your poor, I'll piss on them. | 0:19:37 | 0:19:41 | |
That's what the statue of bigotry says. | 0:19:41 | 0:19:43 | |
Your poor huddled masses, | 0:19:45 | 0:19:47 | |
why don't we just go club them to death, get it over with? | 0:19:47 | 0:19:51 | |
Dump them on the boulevard. | 0:19:51 | 0:19:53 | |
Get it out. | 0:19:53 | 0:19:54 | |
# To the dirty boulevard I'm going down | 0:19:56 | 0:19:58 | |
# To the dirty boulevard Get it out | 0:20:00 | 0:20:02 | |
# To the dirty boulevard going down... # | 0:20:04 | 0:20:06 | |
When he died, the first thing that passed through my mind | 0:20:08 | 0:20:12 | |
and out of my mouth was he's as good as it gets. | 0:20:12 | 0:20:16 | |
You don't get better than Lou as an artist. | 0:20:16 | 0:20:21 | |
People don't get made better than that. | 0:20:21 | 0:20:24 | |
Lou's second album, Transformer, was released in 1972. | 0:20:29 | 0:20:32 | |
It was a huge success, | 0:20:32 | 0:20:34 | |
despite cataloguing the sexual shenanigans of Warhol's factory | 0:20:34 | 0:20:38 | |
in the hit track Walk On The Wild Side, | 0:20:38 | 0:20:40 | |
the hymn to Lou's fascination with the transvestite superstars | 0:20:40 | 0:20:43 | |
Candy Darling, Jackie Curtis and Holly Woodlawn. | 0:20:43 | 0:20:46 | |
My friends called me up and said, "Oh, turn on the radio. | 0:20:46 | 0:20:50 | |
"Lou Reed just wrote a song about you." | 0:20:50 | 0:20:54 | |
# Holly came from Miami FLA | 0:20:54 | 0:20:57 | |
# Hitchhiked her way across the USA... # | 0:20:59 | 0:21:02 | |
And then we went to a party and he was there | 0:21:03 | 0:21:07 | |
and he was in the corner, a shy, quiet guy. | 0:21:07 | 0:21:12 | |
So I asked him, how do you know so much about me? | 0:21:14 | 0:21:17 | |
He said, "Holly, because you have a big mouth." | 0:21:17 | 0:21:21 | |
What he said was the truth. | 0:21:23 | 0:21:26 | |
I plucked my eyebrows and shaved my legs and became a she. | 0:21:26 | 0:21:32 | |
# In the back room, she was everybody's darling... # | 0:21:32 | 0:21:35 | |
He was surrounded by that, because of the factory, the Warhol crowd. | 0:21:36 | 0:21:42 | |
So I think he was... | 0:21:42 | 0:21:45 | |
..I want to say voyeuristic, | 0:21:47 | 0:21:49 | |
but he just wrote songs about what he saw and knew. | 0:21:49 | 0:21:56 | |
# Do, do-do, do-do, do-do-do-do do, do-do, do-do... # | 0:21:56 | 0:21:59 | |
When Lou wrote Walk On The Wild Side, he made me immortal. | 0:21:59 | 0:22:06 | |
So now, honey, whenever you... | 0:22:08 | 0:22:10 | |
..drop a quarter in the jukebox | 0:22:11 | 0:22:15 | |
and there's, "Holly came from Miami FLA." | 0:22:15 | 0:22:19 | |
One of the things people forget about the songs is how | 0:22:27 | 0:22:30 | |
compassionate they are. | 0:22:30 | 0:22:32 | |
Irony, detachment, is just a method of telling a story, after all, | 0:22:32 | 0:22:37 | |
and it doesn't mean you're not sincere. | 0:22:37 | 0:22:39 | |
The fact that you have distance | 0:22:39 | 0:22:41 | |
and aren't frothing all over yourself about something... | 0:22:41 | 0:22:44 | |
..doesn't mean you're not sincere | 0:22:46 | 0:22:48 | |
and doesn't mean the songs don't carry any emotional wallop. | 0:22:48 | 0:22:51 | |
I think things sometimes carry more of an emotional wallop | 0:22:51 | 0:22:54 | |
if when you tell it, you are a bit detached. | 0:22:54 | 0:22:57 | |
You catch people a bit off guard, they're not looking for that. | 0:22:57 | 0:23:01 | |
And I also think that it makes things sound true. | 0:23:02 | 0:23:06 | |
Because you're not trying to impress somebody, | 0:23:06 | 0:23:09 | |
you're not trying to make them cry, you're not trying to make them | 0:23:09 | 0:23:12 | |
say it, you're not trying to make them scared. | 0:23:12 | 0:23:14 | |
You are telling a story in a straightforward way. | 0:23:14 | 0:23:17 | |
Photographer Mick Rock first met Lou in London in 1971, | 0:23:24 | 0:23:28 | |
when Lou hadn't sold any records, as either the Velvets or a solo artist. | 0:23:28 | 0:23:33 | |
They were introduced by | 0:23:33 | 0:23:36 | |
one of Mick Rock's constant photographic subjects, David Bowie. | 0:23:36 | 0:23:40 | |
That night, he took the pictures that were to fix Lou's image | 0:23:40 | 0:23:43 | |
for years to come. | 0:23:43 | 0:23:45 | |
The Transformer image. | 0:23:45 | 0:23:47 | |
I went backstage to meet him. | 0:23:50 | 0:23:53 | |
David took me back to say hello to him before the show | 0:23:53 | 0:23:56 | |
and he was in a corner on his own, and it was kind of dim. | 0:23:56 | 0:24:01 | |
There was something kind of bat-like about it. | 0:24:01 | 0:24:04 | |
It did seem to confirm all of one's suspicions. Not exactly Nosferatu. | 0:24:04 | 0:24:11 | |
It was very organic, the whole thing. | 0:24:14 | 0:24:17 | |
There was no record label bungling in trying to control anything, | 0:24:17 | 0:24:22 | |
because Lou would've bitten them if they'd tried to do that. | 0:24:22 | 0:24:25 | |
He actually took the best photographs of me taken in the '70s. | 0:24:28 | 0:24:31 | |
I remember staying up with him for two or three days once, | 0:24:31 | 0:24:35 | |
and at some point, he said, "Give me the camera." | 0:24:35 | 0:24:38 | |
They are actually all, for the most part, in focus. | 0:24:38 | 0:24:42 | |
He'd come over, he would be on a tour, I would go | 0:24:44 | 0:24:47 | |
and see the show, hang out with him a bit, and then just have a session. | 0:24:47 | 0:24:51 | |
But they were very simple affairs. Lou was self-styled. | 0:24:52 | 0:24:57 | |
I've got a lot of great pictures of him just laughing. | 0:24:59 | 0:25:01 | |
I threatened to publish them too many times. | 0:25:03 | 0:25:05 | |
I said, "I'm going to punk with your image, Lou, you know that?" | 0:25:05 | 0:25:08 | |
# You do what you got to do You do what you can | 0:25:08 | 0:25:12 | |
# You do what you want to do But I love you, Suzanne | 0:25:14 | 0:25:19 | |
# You'll try anything once | 0:25:19 | 0:25:22 | |
# Try anything twice | 0:25:22 | 0:25:25 | |
# You do what you want to do | 0:25:25 | 0:25:28 | |
# But I love you, Suzanne | 0:25:28 | 0:25:30 | |
# I love you when you're good, honey I love you when you're bad | 0:25:31 | 0:25:35 | |
# You do what you want to do | 0:25:37 | 0:25:39 | |
# But I love you, Suzanne... # | 0:25:39 | 0:25:41 | |
He wasn't really such a dark person as a human being. | 0:25:41 | 0:25:45 | |
I mean, look at the beautiful love songs, | 0:25:45 | 0:25:47 | |
and how, in a way, how simple they are, lyrically, how direct. | 0:25:47 | 0:25:53 | |
Like Perfect Day. I mean... | 0:25:53 | 0:25:56 | |
..my mother loves that - she's 93. | 0:25:57 | 0:26:00 | |
He could touch many... | 0:26:00 | 0:26:02 | |
And of course, I'll Be Your Mirror, which, I think | 0:26:02 | 0:26:05 | |
he wrote that while he was in college. | 0:26:05 | 0:26:07 | |
One of the most beautiful love songs ever written. | 0:26:07 | 0:26:10 | |
What's curious about that is that he gave it to Nico to sing to him. | 0:26:13 | 0:26:19 | |
While they were having their love affair. | 0:26:19 | 0:26:22 | |
# I find it hard to believe you don't know the beauty you are | 0:26:23 | 0:26:29 | |
# But if you don't Let me be your eyes | 0:26:29 | 0:26:34 | |
# A hand in your darkness So you won't be afraid... # | 0:26:34 | 0:26:38 | |
Lou wanted to plumb the depths and check it all out, | 0:26:38 | 0:26:41 | |
and I understood that. | 0:26:41 | 0:26:43 | |
We went to visit this mate of his. | 0:26:43 | 0:26:46 | |
He lived in an apartment that was absolute chaos. | 0:26:46 | 0:26:50 | |
Lou said he was the best B&E guy in New York. | 0:26:53 | 0:26:57 | |
B&E is Breaking and Entering. | 0:26:57 | 0:26:59 | |
I mean, you've got to remember how intelligent the guy was. | 0:27:05 | 0:27:08 | |
This is a super intelligent, super cerebral, very informed guy. | 0:27:08 | 0:27:13 | |
I mean, Lou was a born contrarian, you know? | 0:27:19 | 0:27:23 | |
-Would you describe yourself as a decadent person? -No. | 0:27:23 | 0:27:26 | |
-How would you describe yourself? -Average. | 0:27:26 | 0:27:29 | |
No? | 0:27:31 | 0:27:34 | |
I think so. | 0:27:34 | 0:27:35 | |
If people were just talking very superficially to him, | 0:27:35 | 0:27:40 | |
he would bite them. | 0:27:40 | 0:27:42 | |
I thought I knew what I was saying, | 0:27:42 | 0:27:44 | |
but if I listen to you much more, maybe I won't. | 0:27:44 | 0:27:46 | |
He was always very sweet with me, but I saw him torture a few journalists. | 0:27:46 | 0:27:51 | |
Tell me when the thing is running. | 0:27:51 | 0:27:53 | |
Sometimes he did it just for the sport, I think. | 0:27:55 | 0:27:57 | |
But once he got the reputation, he thought, "OK, I'm going | 0:27:57 | 0:28:00 | |
"to live up to it." | 0:28:00 | 0:28:02 | |
-Are you a transvestite or a homosexual? -Sometimes. -Which one? | 0:28:02 | 0:28:08 | |
No. I'm not going to sit here and do the lecture circuit. | 0:28:10 | 0:28:15 | |
My God. | 0:28:16 | 0:28:18 | |
David, you should keep in mind I got a BA in English, | 0:28:19 | 0:28:22 | |
I graduated college. | 0:28:22 | 0:28:23 | |
I'm aware of irony and distance. | 0:28:24 | 0:28:26 | |
I come from a middle-class background. | 0:28:35 | 0:28:38 | |
So I'm street with a BA. | 0:28:39 | 0:28:42 | |
You know, it's like an interesting combination, | 0:28:42 | 0:28:45 | |
because it gave me the ability to phrase some of these things | 0:28:45 | 0:28:49 | |
in something other than the vernacular of the street. | 0:28:49 | 0:28:52 | |
So I wasn't just a one-trick pony. | 0:28:52 | 0:28:56 | |
There were more sides to me than that. | 0:28:56 | 0:28:58 | |
The Transformer album was Lou's brief glam period. | 0:29:08 | 0:29:12 | |
Produced by David Bowie and Mick Ronson, its fusion of sex, | 0:29:12 | 0:29:15 | |
drugs and glamorous androgyny became an inspiration to those who | 0:29:15 | 0:29:20 | |
were anything but straight. | 0:29:20 | 0:29:22 | |
For me, the most important thing about Lou Reed was what | 0:29:22 | 0:29:24 | |
he did musically, and I think, you know, if you're a kid | 0:29:24 | 0:29:28 | |
and you want to be cool, there's two albums, | 0:29:28 | 0:29:31 | |
The Velvet Underground & Nico and Transformer. | 0:29:31 | 0:29:34 | |
Those two records are so much part of the rock'n'roll rites of passage. | 0:29:34 | 0:29:39 | |
You know, you can't really be considered credible or cool | 0:29:39 | 0:29:43 | |
if you do not have those records. | 0:29:43 | 0:29:45 | |
My first kind of experience of Lou Reed was Walk On The Wild Side, | 0:29:48 | 0:29:52 | |
I think. That was the real beginning of my love affair with Lou Reed. | 0:29:52 | 0:29:58 | |
You know, because that song I think was... | 0:29:58 | 0:30:01 | |
If you were a little gay kid in suburbia, | 0:30:01 | 0:30:03 | |
that song had you walking on invisible heels. | 0:30:03 | 0:30:05 | |
It was just so otherworldly. Even more than Bowie | 0:30:05 | 0:30:09 | |
because I think although Bowie was sexually ambiguous, | 0:30:09 | 0:30:13 | |
Lou Reed delivered it with a kind of "so what?" quality. | 0:30:13 | 0:30:16 | |
It was almost like, who cares, you know? | 0:30:16 | 0:30:20 | |
That's why I love the '70s, because the '70s, you know, | 0:30:20 | 0:30:23 | |
a lot of stuff was just made up - Mick Jagger and Bowie in bed, | 0:30:23 | 0:30:26 | |
Marc Bolan and Mickey Finn having an affair. | 0:30:26 | 0:30:29 | |
It was all great stuff but it probably wasn't true. | 0:30:29 | 0:30:31 | |
But, you know, you don't really want like that to be true, | 0:30:31 | 0:30:34 | |
you just want it to be glorious gossip. | 0:30:34 | 0:30:37 | |
I had to see him and it was around the time of Rock'n'Roll Animal | 0:30:46 | 0:30:49 | |
and Sally Can't Dance, the bleached hair. | 0:30:49 | 0:30:52 | |
Looking back, I think he was pretty wasted at that gig | 0:30:52 | 0:30:55 | |
but I didn't notice. I just thought, "He's fantastic." | 0:30:55 | 0:30:58 | |
I discovered recently that Lou Reed wasn't very fond of Transformer, | 0:31:07 | 0:31:11 | |
which is really shocking. He didn't like it. | 0:31:11 | 0:31:14 | |
He would never talk about it. So, it's one of those weird things. | 0:31:14 | 0:31:17 | |
With certain rock stars, they embrace a kind of sexual ambiguousness | 0:31:17 | 0:31:23 | |
but when they get sensible and marry, they want to just say, | 0:31:23 | 0:31:27 | |
"Oh, no, that I don't want to talk about the camp bit." | 0:31:27 | 0:31:30 | |
# What is in the mind... # | 0:31:30 | 0:31:32 | |
If I was going to describe Lou Reed, I would say | 0:31:32 | 0:31:35 | |
he was always effortlessly cool, even as an older man. | 0:31:35 | 0:31:38 | |
# Caroline says... # | 0:31:39 | 0:31:41 | |
I don't really think of Lou Reed as druggie, hard, brutal and savage. | 0:31:41 | 0:31:45 | |
I think of things like Caroline Says or They're Taking Her Children Away. | 0:31:45 | 0:31:49 | |
# You can hit me all you want to | 0:31:51 | 0:31:56 | |
# But I don't love you any more... # | 0:31:58 | 0:32:02 | |
If you are a kind of quirky kid in ten years' time, | 0:32:02 | 0:32:05 | |
you probably will find Transformer. | 0:32:05 | 0:32:07 | |
It might be in your dad's record collection | 0:32:07 | 0:32:10 | |
or your grandfather's record collection, whatever. | 0:32:10 | 0:32:13 | |
But I think if you've got an ear for music, you'll hear that | 0:32:13 | 0:32:16 | |
and it will resonate with you. | 0:32:16 | 0:32:18 | |
I think that's the power of all great music. | 0:32:18 | 0:32:21 | |
The whole glam thing, like, was kind of great for me | 0:32:26 | 0:32:30 | |
when I met Bowie and he was into that. So I got into that. | 0:32:30 | 0:32:33 | |
All it was was, it was something I'd already seen... | 0:32:33 | 0:32:37 | |
..with Warhol. | 0:32:40 | 0:32:41 | |
But I hadn't done that thing so the '70s was like a chance for me | 0:32:41 | 0:32:44 | |
to get in on it, in a sense, no-one knew me from Adam particularly. | 0:32:44 | 0:32:50 | |
I could say I was anything, be anywhere. | 0:32:50 | 0:32:52 | |
I mean that was one of the great things. You could... | 0:32:52 | 0:32:55 | |
And I learned that from Andy. You could be anything. | 0:32:55 | 0:32:58 | |
Perversely, Lou followed the hugely commercial Transformer | 0:33:03 | 0:33:07 | |
with a disturbing concept album, a tale of drug addiction, | 0:33:07 | 0:33:10 | |
domestic violence and suicide that is Berlin, | 0:33:10 | 0:33:13 | |
produced by Bob Ezrin in London and released in 1973. | 0:33:13 | 0:33:17 | |
Back home, Lou's personal life was crumbling. | 0:33:19 | 0:33:22 | |
And his appetite for narcotics was keener than ever. | 0:33:24 | 0:33:28 | |
# You were five foot ten inches tall | 0:33:28 | 0:33:33 | |
# It was very nice | 0:33:36 | 0:33:39 | |
# Candlelight and Dubonnet on ice... # | 0:33:43 | 0:33:47 | |
He was an amazing combination of being slightly awkward | 0:33:49 | 0:33:54 | |
within his own skin and yet being completely consumed with, | 0:33:54 | 0:33:59 | |
and focused on, a particular idea. | 0:33:59 | 0:34:03 | |
And so you put the two of them together | 0:34:03 | 0:34:06 | |
and what you get is this kind of nervous determination. | 0:34:06 | 0:34:11 | |
I felt really connected to Lou, emotionally, | 0:34:13 | 0:34:16 | |
very sensitive to what he was going through and so I tried to... | 0:34:16 | 0:34:21 | |
I tried to use his state of mind as an advantage, a resource, | 0:34:23 | 0:34:29 | |
and I tried to get to him to see it as a resource. | 0:34:29 | 0:34:33 | |
He doesn't come in and feel like I'm not in the mood today | 0:34:33 | 0:34:36 | |
and I'm sorry and I'm letting you down. | 0:34:36 | 0:34:39 | |
He would come in and say, "I'm not really in the mood today." | 0:34:39 | 0:34:42 | |
And I would say, "You're not in the mood for that but wow, | 0:34:42 | 0:34:45 | |
"what if we did this one?" | 0:34:45 | 0:34:46 | |
And he'd think about it and go, "Yeah. I can do that one." | 0:34:46 | 0:34:50 | |
# How do you think it feels | 0:34:53 | 0:34:57 | |
# When you're speeding and lonely? | 0:34:58 | 0:35:01 | |
# Come here, baby | 0:35:01 | 0:35:03 | |
# How do you think it feels | 0:35:03 | 0:35:08 | |
# When all you can say is if only? # | 0:35:08 | 0:35:12 | |
You know, drugs were a big factor in what happened to all of us | 0:35:12 | 0:35:16 | |
around the record. | 0:35:16 | 0:35:18 | |
And at certain points during the day, it, I think... | 0:35:18 | 0:35:22 | |
..stalled what we were doing but we quickly recover | 0:35:24 | 0:35:28 | |
and then get back on track. | 0:35:28 | 0:35:30 | |
Those musical moments, those things that | 0:35:30 | 0:35:33 | |
happened in the performance, those were transcendent, clear-headed. | 0:35:33 | 0:35:37 | |
They were above and beyond whatever substance | 0:35:37 | 0:35:41 | |
we may have ingested four hours before. Do you know what I mean? | 0:35:41 | 0:35:44 | |
I think on a certain level, | 0:35:47 | 0:35:48 | |
I may have misjudged how London would affect Lou. | 0:35:48 | 0:35:52 | |
People were surrounding him, pulling at him, outside of the sessions | 0:35:52 | 0:35:56 | |
so there was a lot going on in his mind while we were making Berlin. | 0:35:56 | 0:36:00 | |
When I delivered it to RCA, I said, "OK." | 0:36:02 | 0:36:06 | |
Lou and Lou's manager at the time, I said, "Here we go. I got it. | 0:36:06 | 0:36:11 | |
"We're going to deliver it." They said, "OK, let's go." | 0:36:11 | 0:36:13 | |
We delivered it and I looked around and they were gone. | 0:36:13 | 0:36:18 | |
They had left the building. | 0:36:18 | 0:36:20 | |
# Mummy! Mummy! # | 0:36:20 | 0:36:25 | |
The aftermath of Berlin, for Lou, was fairly devastating. | 0:36:25 | 0:36:31 | |
It wasn't just a matter of the press writing crushing reviews about it. | 0:36:31 | 0:36:36 | |
And they got really personal. | 0:36:36 | 0:36:38 | |
I mean, they were very nasty and direct. | 0:36:38 | 0:36:41 | |
But it wasn't even that. | 0:36:41 | 0:36:43 | |
I think the whole experience of living in that dark place, | 0:36:43 | 0:36:48 | |
you know, really, it's a place of this dissembling of the human being, | 0:36:48 | 0:36:52 | |
ending up in suicide. You can't get darker than that. | 0:36:52 | 0:36:56 | |
Days were short and nights were long. | 0:36:58 | 0:37:01 | |
It was raining and it was just sort of... | 0:37:01 | 0:37:03 | |
It was an overall fairly depressive experience, | 0:37:03 | 0:37:07 | |
while being artistically uplifting. | 0:37:07 | 0:37:10 | |
He said he couldn't stand to listen to it. | 0:37:14 | 0:37:16 | |
He locked it in the closet | 0:37:16 | 0:37:17 | |
and didn't want to see it again for years, which is actually the truth. | 0:37:17 | 0:37:21 | |
We didn't listen to it again for years. | 0:37:21 | 0:37:24 | |
I, on the other hand, came off of it having had my first | 0:37:24 | 0:37:29 | |
experiences with certain drugs and was just feeling like hell. | 0:37:29 | 0:37:33 | |
In 1972, Berlin was one of the darkest experiences of our lives. | 0:37:46 | 0:37:55 | |
In 2006, it was positively... uplifting. | 0:37:55 | 0:38:01 | |
It was the most energetic, spiritual, beautiful experience, | 0:38:02 | 0:38:09 | |
live on a stage, that I'd ever had and I think that Lou had ever had. | 0:38:09 | 0:38:14 | |
# They are taking her children away | 0:38:14 | 0:38:16 | |
# Because of the things she did in the streets, in the alleys | 0:38:21 | 0:38:26 | |
# And the bars | 0:38:27 | 0:38:29 | |
# She couldn't be beat That miserable, rotten slut | 0:38:29 | 0:38:35 | |
# She couldn't turn anyone away... # | 0:38:35 | 0:38:37 | |
Berlin was used in a lawsuit against me, | 0:38:38 | 0:38:43 | |
by management, to show that I shouldn't be allowed to do | 0:38:43 | 0:38:49 | |
projects on my own, with people of my own choosing, | 0:38:49 | 0:38:53 | |
because if I did, this is the kind of album I would put out. | 0:38:53 | 0:38:57 | |
Can you imagine this? It's a nightmare come true. | 0:38:57 | 0:39:00 | |
I'm in court, having this baby that I love... | 0:39:00 | 0:39:04 | |
Ezra and I killed ourselves over this album. | 0:39:04 | 0:39:07 | |
We thought it was going to be like a cinematic experience, | 0:39:07 | 0:39:09 | |
except on a record with strings, this real grandeur | 0:39:09 | 0:39:14 | |
and there it is being used in court against me in a lawsuit where | 0:39:14 | 0:39:18 | |
they are really, really trying to hurt me, make no mistake. | 0:39:18 | 0:39:21 | |
Guitarist Steve Hunter played on the original | 0:39:26 | 0:39:28 | |
Berlin recordings and became part of Lou's band for the subsequent | 0:39:28 | 0:39:32 | |
Rock'n'Roll Animal tour. | 0:39:32 | 0:39:34 | |
They were reunited in 2006 | 0:39:35 | 0:39:37 | |
when Lou played Berlin live for the first time. | 0:39:37 | 0:39:41 | |
I wasn't a fan, until I heard Walk On The Wild Side. | 0:39:43 | 0:39:46 | |
I couldn't believe he got away with saying some of the stuff | 0:39:47 | 0:39:50 | |
he got away with and it was on top 40 radio we heard that. | 0:39:50 | 0:39:54 | |
And I thought, "Now, that's a true rebel. | 0:39:54 | 0:39:56 | |
"That's a guy who is pulling it off. | 0:39:56 | 0:39:58 | |
"There were always other people who thought they were rebels | 0:39:58 | 0:40:01 | |
"but this guy's getting away with it." | 0:40:01 | 0:40:03 | |
"Even when she was giving head," that's on the radio? | 0:40:03 | 0:40:07 | |
I couldn't believe it. | 0:40:07 | 0:40:08 | |
I was completely shocked and I was secretly saying, "Yeah, Lou!" | 0:40:08 | 0:40:12 | |
You know? That's way to go, man. I'm glad you got away with that. | 0:40:12 | 0:40:16 | |
I think that's very cool. | 0:40:16 | 0:40:18 | |
There was a side of Manhattan in those days that was just | 0:40:18 | 0:40:23 | |
under the surface. It wasn't way down. It was just under the surface. | 0:40:23 | 0:40:28 | |
So, when I would go to the studio, | 0:40:28 | 0:40:30 | |
you would get out on a summer's day at ten o'clock at night... | 0:40:30 | 0:40:34 | |
..and there would be people starting to coagulate around the area, you know? | 0:40:35 | 0:40:40 | |
OK, what's going on? Is it a parade or something? | 0:40:40 | 0:40:43 | |
I would come back out at two or three in the morning and there | 0:40:43 | 0:40:46 | |
are hookers and drug dealers and all kinds of stuff going on out there. | 0:40:46 | 0:40:49 | |
And here I am, this little skinny guy with a couple of guitars. | 0:40:49 | 0:40:53 | |
I thought I was going to get killed. | 0:40:53 | 0:40:55 | |
Any time you can meet a composer or even just a poet who doesn't | 0:40:58 | 0:41:02 | |
mind stripping away and looking at the ugly side | 0:41:02 | 0:41:06 | |
and making you see the ugly side as maybe not so ugly, | 0:41:06 | 0:41:10 | |
it's like driving by an accident - you have to look. | 0:41:10 | 0:41:13 | |
And I think Lou made you look. | 0:41:13 | 0:41:15 | |
When I heard some of the lyrics of Berlin, I was completely | 0:41:17 | 0:41:20 | |
blown away, that he was talking about a side of drugs | 0:41:20 | 0:41:24 | |
and drug usage that people who were doing drugs | 0:41:24 | 0:41:28 | |
didn't want to hear about. | 0:41:28 | 0:41:30 | |
I don't want to hear the ugly stuff of drugs. | 0:41:30 | 0:41:32 | |
I want to hear how cool it is. | 0:41:32 | 0:41:33 | |
# The rich son waits for his father to die | 0:41:36 | 0:41:39 | |
# The poor just drink and cry | 0:41:42 | 0:41:45 | |
# And me | 0:41:47 | 0:41:49 | |
# I just don't care at all... # | 0:41:51 | 0:41:55 | |
I would never have wanted to get into a fight with him, ever, | 0:41:57 | 0:42:00 | |
because I don't care how big... | 0:42:00 | 0:42:01 | |
Somehow I get the feeling he would tear things off of me | 0:42:01 | 0:42:04 | |
that I don't want torn off, you know? | 0:42:04 | 0:42:07 | |
Lou is a street New York guy and a survivor, | 0:42:07 | 0:42:12 | |
so whatever it took him to survive, he could do that. | 0:42:12 | 0:42:16 | |
Lou reminds me a lot of Edgar Allan Poe. | 0:42:18 | 0:42:21 | |
I read The Pit And The Pendulum and was just... | 0:42:23 | 0:42:25 | |
I couldn't believe someone could write | 0:42:25 | 0:42:27 | |
a story like that in eight pages or however long it is, | 0:42:27 | 0:42:30 | |
that had me scared to death, just reading the words. | 0:42:30 | 0:42:33 | |
But then Poe would turn around and do Annabel Lee, | 0:42:33 | 0:42:37 | |
this incredibly romantic, beautiful poem, to a cousin or something. | 0:42:37 | 0:42:41 | |
He was just as weird and quirky and looked at the dark side of life, like Lou. | 0:42:41 | 0:42:46 | |
They both were able to be dark and romantic at the same time. | 0:42:47 | 0:42:50 | |
# On Avenue B, someone cruised him one night | 0:42:59 | 0:43:03 | |
# He took him in an alley and then he pulled a knife | 0:43:04 | 0:43:08 | |
# And he thought of his father as he cut his windpipe | 0:43:10 | 0:43:16 | |
# And finally danced to the rock minuet... # | 0:43:17 | 0:43:22 | |
I think New York lost its best reporter because he was | 0:43:22 | 0:43:27 | |
so observant, so keen, so gentle | 0:43:27 | 0:43:31 | |
and hard at the same time. | 0:43:31 | 0:43:35 | |
And it was always so heartfelt. | 0:43:35 | 0:43:37 | |
I don't know if you've ever heard a song called Rock'n'roll Minuet... | 0:43:39 | 0:43:43 | |
But that song, you can't listen to that song and not feel something. | 0:43:45 | 0:43:49 | |
# Paralysed by hatred and a piss ugly soul | 0:43:57 | 0:44:00 | |
# If he murdered his father he thought he'd become whole | 0:44:02 | 0:44:07 | |
# While listening at night to an old radio | 0:44:08 | 0:44:15 | |
# Where they danced to the rock minuet... # | 0:44:15 | 0:44:19 | |
Lou's passion for sonic terrorism and the avant-garde inspired | 0:44:56 | 0:45:00 | |
Thurston Moore and the music of Sonic Youth. | 0:45:00 | 0:45:03 | |
Moore treasures Lou's double album Metal Machine Music, | 0:45:03 | 0:45:06 | |
released in 1974. | 0:45:06 | 0:45:08 | |
Despite being comprised of nothing but feedback | 0:45:08 | 0:45:11 | |
and guitar effects, Lou toured it in 2010. | 0:45:11 | 0:45:14 | |
I figured that nobody would really talk about Metal Machine Music | 0:45:22 | 0:45:25 | |
and how significant that record was. | 0:45:25 | 0:45:28 | |
To me, that record... was completely fantastic. | 0:45:28 | 0:45:33 | |
I mean, there was no such thing as a noise record | 0:45:33 | 0:45:36 | |
and that was the first noise record I ever heard and it | 0:45:36 | 0:45:39 | |
was by Lou Reed, who was supposed to be doing Sally Can't Dance part two. | 0:45:39 | 0:45:42 | |
It certainly wasn't that. | 0:45:42 | 0:45:44 | |
'Sing along with Lou Reed on his new Reed, Sally Can't Dance | 0:45:58 | 0:46:01 | |
'on RCA records and tape.' | 0:46:01 | 0:46:03 | |
I just figured it was going to sound like the way it looked. | 0:46:03 | 0:46:07 | |
You know, which was this bad ass kind of like glitter rock Lou Reed | 0:46:07 | 0:46:11 | |
on the cover with his leather jacket. That cover is just beautiful. | 0:46:11 | 0:46:15 | |
And the liner notes were just so striking and kind of just, | 0:46:15 | 0:46:19 | |
"My week beats your year," he ends those liner notes. | 0:46:19 | 0:46:22 | |
What a thing to say. | 0:46:22 | 0:46:25 | |
And then, the review of Metal Machine Music just had the word "no", | 0:46:25 | 0:46:31 | |
written like 100 times. | 0:46:31 | 0:46:35 | |
You know, I was talking to someone from Rolling Stone recently | 0:46:36 | 0:46:40 | |
about Metal Machine Music and the journalist was... | 0:46:40 | 0:46:44 | |
Like, well, you know, | 0:46:44 | 0:46:46 | |
"Nobody's ever listen to that record all the way through." | 0:46:46 | 0:46:48 | |
I was like, "Oh, I have, numerous times." | 0:46:48 | 0:46:51 | |
In fact, I still do. | 0:46:51 | 0:46:53 | |
I actually had it on quad. I had a quadraphonic version. | 0:46:53 | 0:46:57 | |
I had it on quad eight-track tape. | 0:46:57 | 0:46:59 | |
I have all variants of Metal Machine Music. | 0:46:59 | 0:47:02 | |
It's one of the most important records in the my life. | 0:47:02 | 0:47:07 | |
SONG PLAYS | 0:47:07 | 0:47:09 | |
It was inevitable that sooner or later, Lou should bump into | 0:47:25 | 0:47:27 | |
novelist Paul Auster, another writer dedicated in his own way | 0:47:27 | 0:47:31 | |
to the dramas, dropouts and dangerous delights | 0:47:31 | 0:47:34 | |
of a New York City that by now, in the 1990s, was fast disappearing. | 0:47:34 | 0:47:39 | |
# Life's like a mayonnaise soda | 0:47:39 | 0:47:42 | |
# And life's like space without room | 0:47:42 | 0:47:45 | |
# And life's like bacon and ice cream | 0:47:46 | 0:47:50 | |
# That's what life's like without you... # | 0:47:50 | 0:47:53 | |
I remember there was a moment when, the time when | 0:47:53 | 0:47:56 | |
we were closest and seeing each other fairly often, | 0:47:56 | 0:47:59 | |
he told me that he wanted to write a novel. He had figured out a plot. | 0:47:59 | 0:48:03 | |
He wanted to write a crime novel. And I said, "Well, good luck, Lou." | 0:48:03 | 0:48:08 | |
And a few months later, he said, "You know, it's damn hard. I can't do it. | 0:48:08 | 0:48:12 | |
"I don't have the ability to make a big story." | 0:48:12 | 0:48:16 | |
So, I think his form was the short lyric and he did brilliantly. | 0:48:16 | 0:48:21 | |
His songs ARE the words. I mean, Lou was not a singer. | 0:48:21 | 0:48:26 | |
He was able to present his songs in a brilliant way, but it's | 0:48:26 | 0:48:30 | |
the combination of the personality coming through the voice. | 0:48:30 | 0:48:33 | |
I remember a very amusing song, I think it was | 0:48:34 | 0:48:37 | |
a song about Laurie Anderson and their love for each other and... | 0:48:37 | 0:48:43 | |
The song had to do with all her ex-lovers. | 0:48:43 | 0:48:46 | |
He wants to throw them off the roof of her loft and see them | 0:48:46 | 0:48:52 | |
run over by cars on Canal Street. | 0:48:52 | 0:48:54 | |
I thought this was hilarious and so vivid. | 0:48:56 | 0:49:00 | |
Some of his songs are very funny, too. They are not all grim. | 0:49:00 | 0:49:04 | |
We worked on two films together. | 0:49:08 | 0:49:09 | |
The first one is called Blue In The Face, | 0:49:09 | 0:49:12 | |
and Lou has a prominent role in the film. | 0:49:12 | 0:49:15 | |
He is Lou Reed, the resident philosopher | 0:49:15 | 0:49:19 | |
of the Brooklyn Cigar Company, sitting behind the counter | 0:49:19 | 0:49:22 | |
and I was the one off-camera, throwing questions at him. | 0:49:22 | 0:49:27 | |
I'm scared in my own apartment. I'm, I'm... | 0:49:27 | 0:49:30 | |
You know, I'm scared 24 hours a day, but not necessarily in New York. | 0:49:30 | 0:49:34 | |
I actually feel pretty comfortable in New York. | 0:49:35 | 0:49:39 | |
I get scared like in Sweden. | 0:49:39 | 0:49:41 | |
Each one of his comments is hilarious. | 0:49:41 | 0:49:45 | |
You know, it's kind of empty. They are all drunk. Everything works. | 0:49:45 | 0:49:51 | |
Acerbic, strange, unpredictable. | 0:49:51 | 0:49:54 | |
You go to the medicine cabinet, open it up | 0:49:54 | 0:49:56 | |
and there's little poster saying, "In case of suicide, call..." | 0:49:56 | 0:50:00 | |
You turn on the TV, there's an ear operation. These things scare me. | 0:50:00 | 0:50:05 | |
New York, no. | 0:50:05 | 0:50:07 | |
I really think in a way, he steals the movie. | 0:50:07 | 0:50:09 | |
He's the heart of the movie and he's not doing anything, | 0:50:09 | 0:50:12 | |
just sitting there and talking. | 0:50:12 | 0:50:14 | |
My childhood was so unpleasant that I absolutely don't think | 0:50:14 | 0:50:18 | |
I remember anything I think before...age 31. | 0:50:18 | 0:50:21 | |
I don't follow the world of pop music that closely | 0:50:21 | 0:50:27 | |
but I can tell you that I look out at the scene, | 0:50:27 | 0:50:30 | |
what I know of it, and I don't see anyone like him. | 0:50:30 | 0:50:33 | |
There is no-one doing what he did | 0:50:36 | 0:50:38 | |
and so in a sense he's irreplaceable. | 0:50:38 | 0:50:41 | |
That is why, I think, we are going to keep needing him in the future. | 0:50:41 | 0:50:46 | |
I think his stuff is going to go on being listened to for a long, | 0:50:46 | 0:50:50 | |
long time. | 0:50:50 | 0:50:51 | |
One, two, three... | 0:50:53 | 0:50:55 | |
# If you are close the door | 0:50:55 | 0:50:58 | |
# I never have to see the day again... # | 0:50:58 | 0:51:01 | |
In 1993, the original Velvet Underground reformed. | 0:51:06 | 0:51:10 | |
Their music was as unrepentant as ever, | 0:51:10 | 0:51:13 | |
driven once more by their proto-punk drummer, Maureen Tucker. | 0:51:13 | 0:51:18 | |
If Lou had resented the lack of recognition for the band | 0:51:18 | 0:51:21 | |
first time around, | 0:51:21 | 0:51:22 | |
now was the time to remind everyone just how influential they had been. | 0:51:22 | 0:51:27 | |
We are looking forward very much to playing for people who have | 0:51:27 | 0:51:30 | |
always said, "I wish I could have seen a Velvet Underground show." | 0:51:30 | 0:51:33 | |
Well, now you can, | 0:51:33 | 0:51:35 | |
with the original four members, in great shape, up and barking. | 0:51:35 | 0:51:41 | |
Our reunion tour was like a dream come true. | 0:51:43 | 0:51:45 | |
That was really, really exciting, for me to be playing with them | 0:51:45 | 0:51:49 | |
again. It's really, really was. | 0:51:49 | 0:51:51 | |
Lou changing in those 30 years almost... | 0:51:55 | 0:51:58 | |
I would say, the major thing, the only thing really, | 0:51:58 | 0:52:01 | |
I guess that I noticed is that... | 0:52:01 | 0:52:02 | |
..in 1993, he was a big deal. | 0:52:04 | 0:52:08 | |
And in 1968, he wasn't. | 0:52:08 | 0:52:12 | |
# Na, na, na, na, na, na | 0:52:13 | 0:52:15 | |
# Na, na, na, na, na | 0:52:15 | 0:52:17 | |
# Na, na, na, na, na, na | 0:52:18 | 0:52:20 | |
# Na, na, na, na, na... # | 0:52:20 | 0:52:22 | |
We had a sound check one night for six hours. | 0:52:22 | 0:52:25 | |
And that was being pretty darn picky about how your guitar sounds. | 0:52:27 | 0:52:31 | |
The first time I saw Lou play in a long, long time, I think | 0:52:41 | 0:52:45 | |
it was 1986 or '87 or something, in Atlanta, and it was the first | 0:52:45 | 0:52:52 | |
time I had seen him play to a big audience, and I cried. I truly did. | 0:52:52 | 0:52:57 | |
I was not hysterical but tears coming down. | 0:52:57 | 0:53:01 | |
I was so excited for him. | 0:53:01 | 0:53:03 | |
I always had a special...not a concern, I don't want to say | 0:53:05 | 0:53:08 | |
I was always worried about Lou. I don't mean that but... | 0:53:08 | 0:53:13 | |
Later on, after the Velvets, I would often really worry about him. | 0:53:13 | 0:53:18 | |
I don't want it to sound like more than it was. | 0:53:18 | 0:53:21 | |
# Some kinds of love | 0:53:26 | 0:53:29 | |
# Margarita told Tom | 0:53:29 | 0:53:32 | |
# Between thought and expression | 0:53:34 | 0:53:37 | |
# Lies a lifetime | 0:53:38 | 0:53:40 | |
# And some kinds of love | 0:53:42 | 0:53:45 | |
# Possibilities end | 0:53:47 | 0:53:49 | |
# Oh, if only to miss one | 0:53:50 | 0:53:53 | |
# Would seem to be groundless | 0:53:55 | 0:53:57 | |
# My body, ta ta ta... # | 0:53:57 | 0:53:59 | |
My friend Lou... | 0:54:03 | 0:54:05 | |
I miss knowing he's out there, knowing he's happy | 0:54:05 | 0:54:09 | |
and playing music and is out there in the world. | 0:54:09 | 0:54:12 | |
When the people who made up your life, | 0:54:14 | 0:54:16 | |
especially your young life, die... And I don't mean just your friends | 0:54:16 | 0:54:21 | |
or your relatives but the people who made | 0:54:21 | 0:54:25 | |
up your world - the actors who are big at the time, the musicians, | 0:54:25 | 0:54:29 | |
the politicians - when they start dying, that's scary. | 0:54:29 | 0:54:34 | |
It starts getting kind of scary. | 0:54:34 | 0:54:36 | |
But...when it's someone... | 0:54:36 | 0:54:40 | |
..you've just loved for so long | 0:54:41 | 0:54:43 | |
and he's always been out there doing his thing | 0:54:43 | 0:54:47 | |
and you just know he's out there in the world, | 0:54:47 | 0:54:51 | |
that was very difficult. | 0:54:51 | 0:54:53 | |
That was really, and still is, I'm still feeling really weird about it. | 0:54:53 | 0:54:57 | |
But you have to understand what a nice, sweet guy he must have been | 0:55:12 | 0:55:16 | |
because he married Laurie Anderson and that was it. | 0:55:16 | 0:55:19 | |
That was a love affair. That was the love of his life. | 0:55:19 | 0:55:22 | |
It's hard to believe he's gone. I mean it just... | 0:55:23 | 0:55:26 | |
Thank God he had Laurie with him, to... | 0:55:28 | 0:55:30 | |
..you know, make it go gently. | 0:55:33 | 0:55:36 | |
Yeah, I cried. I cried. | 0:55:37 | 0:55:40 | |
He was a gladiator and he... | 0:55:42 | 0:55:45 | |
You know, he was an amazing artist. | 0:55:45 | 0:55:50 | |
He was an exceptional human being by any standards. | 0:55:50 | 0:55:54 | |
I carry Lou Reed with me, in a way, | 0:56:01 | 0:56:05 | |
like I carry my family, | 0:56:05 | 0:56:08 | |
and losing him was surprisingly one of the biggest blows of my life. | 0:56:08 | 0:56:14 | |
Lou voiced those things that his entire generation was feeling | 0:56:19 | 0:56:25 | |
and generations after, too, | 0:56:25 | 0:56:28 | |
but when he said, "My life was saved by rock'n'roll," | 0:56:28 | 0:56:31 | |
he was talking for me. | 0:56:31 | 0:56:33 | |
The thing I'd like to add is I'm going to miss that guy. | 0:56:35 | 0:56:38 | |
You know, he was always... good for a nice hug. | 0:56:38 | 0:56:43 | |
The guy I got to know riding a motorcycle through | 0:56:45 | 0:56:48 | |
the wilds of Pennsylvania... | 0:56:48 | 0:56:50 | |
You know, he's in front and I'm on the back | 0:56:50 | 0:56:53 | |
and we're both kind of... We're hardly Hells Angels. | 0:56:53 | 0:56:56 | |
And he's like, waggling his bike like that and we scoot along... | 0:56:56 | 0:57:03 | |
It was just kind of a normal day, in a weird way, I have you think, | 0:57:05 | 0:57:10 | |
yeah, it was a perfect day and I'm glad I spent it with Lou. | 0:57:10 | 0:57:13 | |
Pff... | 0:57:15 | 0:57:17 | |
Erm... When he was sick before he died, | 0:57:17 | 0:57:21 | |
I went to see him in Southampton, in the hospital. | 0:57:21 | 0:57:25 | |
And... | 0:57:26 | 0:57:28 | |
He... Urgh. | 0:57:30 | 0:57:32 | |
He reached up and... | 0:57:32 | 0:57:35 | |
we held hands and I kissed him and he was crying | 0:57:35 | 0:57:40 | |
and it was just awful, awful. | 0:57:40 | 0:57:45 | |
Erm... I'll miss everything he was - | 0:57:47 | 0:57:51 | |
funny, brilliant, gifted. | 0:57:51 | 0:57:56 | |
There won't be another one like him. | 0:57:58 | 0:58:01 | |
# You're going to reap just what you sow | 0:58:13 | 0:58:17 | |
# You're going to reap just what you sow | 0:58:22 | 0:58:27 | |
# You're going to reap just what you sow. # | 0:58:32 | 0:58:37 |