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'The whale, marine mammal of the order Cetacea. | 0:00:04 | 0:00:08 | |
'They comprise three groups, one Archaeoceti, | 0:00:08 | 0:00:11 | |
'believed to have been derived from the Creodonta, | 0:00:11 | 0:00:14 | |
'the primitive fossil members of the Carnivora. | 0:00:14 | 0:00:17 | |
'Their teeth consist of three incisors....' | 0:00:17 | 0:00:19 | |
Sir John Tavener was unique. | 0:00:19 | 0:00:21 | |
A composer who found wide acclaim both within | 0:00:23 | 0:00:27 | |
and way beyond the classical world. | 0:00:27 | 0:00:30 | |
He had a message, somehow, for the whole world in music. | 0:00:32 | 0:00:36 | |
In a way, his music opens the door to the spiritual. | 0:00:36 | 0:00:40 | |
He just had a sense of drama, he knew how to speak to people. | 0:00:40 | 0:00:42 | |
In this programme, we trace his musical and spiritual odyssey, | 0:00:45 | 0:00:50 | |
through 40 years of BBC archive. | 0:00:50 | 0:00:53 | |
From his early experimental music... | 0:00:53 | 0:00:55 | |
..and highly individual music theatre works.... | 0:01:00 | 0:01:03 | |
..to pieces that have become icons of contemporary British culture. | 0:01:08 | 0:01:13 | |
MUSIC: "Song For Athene" by John Tavener | 0:01:13 | 0:01:18 | |
John Tavener believed that his music was dictated directly to him by God. | 0:01:23 | 0:01:28 | |
It's not music that comes from the human intellect. | 0:01:28 | 0:01:32 | |
Not music that comes from the human heart because both are very limited. | 0:01:32 | 0:01:38 | |
But rather something that is revealed to me. | 0:01:38 | 0:01:43 | |
'It has come, literally, from the breath of God.' | 0:01:44 | 0:01:47 | |
Sir John Tavener died on the 12th of November 2013. He was 69 years old. | 0:01:55 | 0:02:00 | |
Tavener wrote music, much of it suffused with | 0:02:00 | 0:02:03 | |
the spirituality of the Orthodox Church and above all choral music, | 0:02:03 | 0:02:07 | |
that many listeners experience as a simple, haunting and consoling gift. | 0:02:07 | 0:02:12 | |
# Gave thee such a tender voice, | 0:02:13 | 0:02:21 | |
# making all the vales rejoice? | 0:02:21 | 0:02:29 | |
# Little lamb, | 0:02:29 | 0:02:34 | |
# who made thee? # | 0:02:34 | 0:02:39 | |
John Kenneth Tavener was born in 1944, | 0:02:43 | 0:02:46 | |
in Wembley Park in suburban north London, the son of a builder. | 0:02:46 | 0:02:51 | |
In 1957, he won a scholarship to Highgate School, | 0:02:51 | 0:02:54 | |
where a fellow pupil was choral composer John Rutter. | 0:02:54 | 0:02:58 | |
I think I first remember meeting John Tavener when he was 13 | 0:02:58 | 0:03:03 | |
and I was 12. | 0:03:03 | 0:03:04 | |
He was a year ahead of me at Highgate School, in North London. | 0:03:04 | 0:03:08 | |
He stood out from the crowd because even then | 0:03:08 | 0:03:11 | |
he was well on the way to the six foot six, that he later attained. | 0:03:11 | 0:03:16 | |
Always had a music case in his hand | 0:03:16 | 0:03:19 | |
and seemed somehow to belong to another world. | 0:03:19 | 0:03:24 | |
There was something about him that looked a bit mystical | 0:03:24 | 0:03:27 | |
and intriguing and interesting, even then. | 0:03:27 | 0:03:31 | |
He grew up in a Scottish Presbyterian household, | 0:03:32 | 0:03:37 | |
where faith was fairly austere. | 0:03:37 | 0:03:39 | |
And I think he never wanted to abandon that faith, | 0:03:41 | 0:03:45 | |
but he wanted to find outlets for it, which would have more | 0:03:45 | 0:03:49 | |
sense of theatre and of history and not be so severe and reined in. | 0:03:49 | 0:03:56 | |
My father used to play the organ and my early memories of him | 0:04:06 | 0:04:10 | |
playing those soupy hymn tunes influenced me | 0:04:10 | 0:04:14 | |
in a piece like In Alium, where the | 0:04:14 | 0:04:17 | |
series or matrix of notes is derived from hymn-like material. | 0:04:17 | 0:04:21 | |
John Tavener's music takes us | 0:04:38 | 0:04:39 | |
on a journey far away from his Scottish Presbyterian upbringing. | 0:04:39 | 0:04:43 | |
CHORAL SINGING | 0:04:44 | 0:04:47 | |
His musical and spiritual odyssey started in the contemporary, | 0:04:52 | 0:04:56 | |
modernist, avant-garde style but his love of tradition | 0:04:56 | 0:04:59 | |
and religious ritual was there from the start. | 0:04:59 | 0:05:03 | |
SINGING CONTINUES | 0:05:03 | 0:05:05 | |
In his earliest TV appearances John is gloriously eccentric. | 0:05:08 | 0:05:13 | |
It's a fascinating glimpse into a composer | 0:05:13 | 0:05:15 | |
beginning to find his distinctive voice. | 0:05:15 | 0:05:18 | |
I go for months and months without composing a note. | 0:05:18 | 0:05:22 | |
I feel totally useless at such times. | 0:05:22 | 0:05:24 | |
I cannot reconcile the idea of a profession than that of a composer. | 0:05:26 | 0:05:31 | |
I have no sympathy with the puritanical concept of work | 0:05:31 | 0:05:33 | |
for its own sake, which perhaps portrays a slightly hippy bias. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:38 | |
I started my latest piece, Nomine Jesu, after a four month gap. | 0:05:49 | 0:05:54 | |
It uses five European languages and in the middle | 0:06:14 | 0:06:17 | |
and most complicated section, I bring in Negro and Asiatic languages. | 0:06:17 | 0:06:23 | |
And now, a new piece by John Tavener. | 0:06:26 | 0:06:30 | |
Among the English composers under 30, I think | 0:06:30 | 0:06:33 | |
his music is like a breath of fresh air. | 0:06:33 | 0:06:35 | |
It's not doctrinaire, it's emotional | 0:06:35 | 0:06:38 | |
and it doesn't sound like what I call "the broken biscuit school". | 0:06:38 | 0:06:41 | |
The piece we're going to hear today is Nomine Jesu. | 0:06:41 | 0:06:45 | |
John, why is it called that? | 0:06:45 | 0:06:47 | |
It's based on the word Jesus, the name Jesus. | 0:06:47 | 0:06:52 | |
Erm, which is sung in different languages, many different languages. | 0:06:52 | 0:06:57 | |
It's based on a single musical idea, a single chord. | 0:06:57 | 0:07:01 | |
The instruction I give on the score is "still and sacred" | 0:07:21 | 0:07:25 | |
and I mean sacred, not in a sanctimonious way, | 0:07:25 | 0:07:30 | |
because I believe that the word Jesus spoken in these different | 0:07:30 | 0:07:35 | |
languages does have a magic, sacred significance. | 0:07:35 | 0:07:38 | |
SINGING CONTINUES | 0:07:38 | 0:07:41 | |
In 1970, having been signed up to the Beatle's Apple label, | 0:08:19 | 0:08:22 | |
thanks to his brother, Roger, doing some building work | 0:08:22 | 0:08:25 | |
for Ringo Starr, Tavener was at the height of classical music cool. | 0:08:25 | 0:08:30 | |
Apple records released his chaotic cantata, The Whale. | 0:08:30 | 0:08:34 | |
'The whale, marine mammal of the order Cetacea. | 0:08:36 | 0:08:39 | |
'They comprise three groups, one Archaeoceti...' | 0:08:39 | 0:08:42 | |
The very model of happening, even hippyish British modernism. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:46 | |
I remember the idea of beginning it with a long, boring | 0:08:56 | 0:09:00 | |
commentary on whales from an encyclopaedia came to me in the bath. | 0:09:00 | 0:09:04 | |
I got out of the bath, went down to where my books were and pulled | 0:09:04 | 0:09:09 | |
out the most boring encyclopaedia I could find and looked up the whales. | 0:09:09 | 0:09:13 | |
That's how it started. | 0:09:13 | 0:09:15 | |
I decided I wanted to become a composer | 0:09:19 | 0:09:21 | |
when still a student at the Royal Academy. | 0:09:21 | 0:09:23 | |
The Whale has been more played than any of my music so far. | 0:09:23 | 0:09:27 | |
It's a half hour biblical fantasy based on the story of Jonah. | 0:09:28 | 0:09:32 | |
I finished it here in Tythe Barn, | 0:09:32 | 0:09:34 | |
in the middle of a heat wave, I remember. | 0:09:34 | 0:09:37 | |
I had suddenly had been introduced to modernism and I listened to | 0:09:47 | 0:09:51 | |
Boulez, I listened to Stockhausen, | 0:09:51 | 0:09:53 | |
I listened to Cage and I was very excited by it. | 0:09:53 | 0:09:56 | |
I think I've always associated a certain kind of a sound | 0:10:03 | 0:10:06 | |
with...erm...an element, you know? | 0:10:06 | 0:10:10 | |
Maybe whether it be rain whether it be a thunder storm. | 0:10:10 | 0:10:13 | |
It is not something now, towards the end of my life, | 0:10:13 | 0:10:17 | |
that I can see was an important... | 0:10:17 | 0:10:20 | |
I mean, the style of The Whale was not a direction | 0:10:20 | 0:10:23 | |
that I found eventually my music would go in. | 0:10:23 | 0:10:26 | |
But I loved the experience of writing it and it was a very exciting time. | 0:10:26 | 0:10:32 | |
Over the coming decades his highly individual life | 0:10:32 | 0:10:35 | |
and music would be catalogued and even catalysed by the BBC. | 0:10:35 | 0:10:38 | |
and music would be catalogued and even catalysed by the BBC. | 0:10:38 | 0:10:39 | |
The number of artists who record for the Apple company is small | 0:10:39 | 0:10:42 | |
but successful. | 0:10:42 | 0:10:44 | |
John Lennon, Yoko Ono, Paul McCartney, George Harrison, | 0:10:44 | 0:10:48 | |
Ringo Starr and a composer whose music is unique and quite | 0:10:48 | 0:10:53 | |
unlike the sounds of his fellow recording artists, John Tavener. | 0:10:53 | 0:10:57 | |
We feature a week in the life of John Tavener, his music | 0:10:57 | 0:11:00 | |
and his friends. | 0:11:00 | 0:11:01 | |
CHILDREN CHANT | 0:11:08 | 0:11:10 | |
A great deal of my summer is spent lying on my back in the garden. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:23 | |
I find that I need | 0:11:25 | 0:11:29 | |
a great deal of time to sit, | 0:11:29 | 0:11:32 | |
not necessarily to think | 0:11:32 | 0:11:34 | |
but things tend to grow at subconscious | 0:11:34 | 0:11:39 | |
and I work only in very short spurts | 0:11:39 | 0:11:44 | |
for very short periods of time. | 0:11:44 | 0:11:46 | |
Very intense periods of time but a great deal of the year is spent, | 0:11:46 | 0:11:51 | |
in the summer months anyway, lying on my back in this garden. | 0:11:51 | 0:11:57 | |
Which perhaps my puritanical forefathers | 0:11:57 | 0:11:59 | |
might have disapproved of. | 0:11:59 | 0:12:01 | |
I doubt whether they would have approved of my taste in cars. | 0:12:06 | 0:12:10 | |
I've driven this one for nine months. | 0:12:10 | 0:12:13 | |
And I use it often as a place to think about my work, | 0:12:13 | 0:12:16 | |
driving up and down the motorway. | 0:12:16 | 0:12:18 | |
There's something about the largesse of the car which allows my mind | 0:12:18 | 0:12:22 | |
to expand more freely than it would in a Mini. | 0:12:22 | 0:12:26 | |
I've no time for the romantic attitude that the artist has | 0:12:26 | 0:12:29 | |
to go out and starve. | 0:12:29 | 0:12:31 | |
This week I've been travelling backwards | 0:12:31 | 0:12:33 | |
and forwards to the Little Missenden Festival in Buckinghamshire. | 0:12:33 | 0:12:37 | |
I first became involved with the cultural life of the village | 0:12:37 | 0:12:41 | |
four years ago when I used the local school children in a performance | 0:12:41 | 0:12:45 | |
of my Celtic Requiem, commissioned by the London Sinfonietta. | 0:12:45 | 0:12:50 | |
Which has, incidentally, | 0:12:50 | 0:12:51 | |
given first performances of almost all my works to date. | 0:12:51 | 0:12:55 | |
This week, I'm conducting some of the players | 0:13:00 | 0:13:02 | |
from the London Sinfonietta in a concert for the festival. | 0:13:02 | 0:13:06 | |
I've written a piece for it, In Memoriam Stravinsky. | 0:13:06 | 0:13:10 | |
However, the requiem is the composition | 0:13:10 | 0:13:14 | |
I always associate with the village | 0:13:14 | 0:13:16 | |
and I often think of it when I come here. | 0:13:16 | 0:13:19 | |
Celtic Requiem is based on a liturgical mass and is | 0:13:26 | 0:13:30 | |
played against these children's games, which deal with death. | 0:13:30 | 0:13:34 | |
CHILDREN CHANT | 0:13:36 | 0:13:40 | |
CHURCH BELL RINGS | 0:13:48 | 0:13:52 | |
CHILDREN SING | 0:14:10 | 0:14:13 | |
I'm often surprised by reactions to my music | 0:15:36 | 0:15:42 | |
and by the kind of people who like it too. | 0:15:42 | 0:15:44 | |
I'm very pleased to find... | 0:15:44 | 0:15:47 | |
I usually find a considerable | 0:15:47 | 0:15:50 | |
cross-section of the public seem to appreciate what I'm doing. | 0:15:50 | 0:15:55 | |
A lot of people who like pop music seem to like it. | 0:15:55 | 0:15:58 | |
SOMBRE MUSIC PLAYS | 0:15:58 | 0:16:00 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:16:50 | 0:16:52 | |
The performance ultimately was more accurate than the rehearsal and the | 0:17:04 | 0:17:08 | |
only minor tension of day was with the hand bell ringer who was | 0:17:08 | 0:17:12 | |
reluctant to remove his hat. | 0:17:12 | 0:17:14 | |
The young Tavener was enthralled by the wildness of modernism. | 0:17:17 | 0:17:21 | |
Two, three... | 0:17:21 | 0:17:23 | |
This in turn thrilled TV producers. | 0:17:31 | 0:17:34 | |
This 1973 work was commissioned | 0:17:34 | 0:17:36 | |
especially for television performance. | 0:17:36 | 0:17:38 | |
Do you think composers can be free to call upon their inspiration | 0:18:35 | 0:18:40 | |
under these circumstances? | 0:18:40 | 0:18:42 | |
I wouldn't have done it unless in some degree, | 0:18:42 | 0:18:47 | |
whatever you call it, the angel flapped her wings, as it were. | 0:18:47 | 0:18:50 | |
In 1977, after a profound spiritual crisis, | 0:19:47 | 0:19:50 | |
Tavener turned to the Greek Orthodox Christian Church, | 0:19:50 | 0:19:54 | |
with its ancient traditions of icons, mysticism and sung liturgy. | 0:19:54 | 0:19:59 | |
And that embrace of orthodoxy was a way of letting the voice | 0:20:00 | 0:20:03 | |
of God speak directly through his music, as Tavener put it. | 0:20:03 | 0:20:07 | |
And that musical and spiritual ideal created the radical | 0:20:07 | 0:20:11 | |
and courageous simplicity | 0:20:11 | 0:20:13 | |
and directness that audiences have found so enchanting ever since. | 0:20:13 | 0:20:17 | |
But it was also controversial. | 0:20:17 | 0:20:19 | |
For Tavener's critics, he was reducing his music to | 0:20:19 | 0:20:22 | |
an accompaniment to candles and icons, | 0:20:22 | 0:20:24 | |
a commodified spiritual background music. | 0:20:24 | 0:20:28 | |
But that completely underestimates | 0:20:28 | 0:20:30 | |
and misrepresents the discipline and austerity and objectivity | 0:20:30 | 0:20:35 | |
of the music that Tavener would produce in the coming decades. | 0:20:35 | 0:20:38 | |
SHE SINGS | 0:20:38 | 0:20:41 | |
By the 1980s, his most important spiritual influence was | 0:21:02 | 0:21:05 | |
Mother Thekla, a Greek Orthodox abbess, | 0:21:05 | 0:21:08 | |
who inspired Tavener's work and who lived in monastery in Yorkshire. | 0:21:08 | 0:21:12 | |
It's strange to think that right in the middle of Yorkshire Moors | 0:21:15 | 0:21:20 | |
is situated a Greek Orthodox monastery. | 0:21:20 | 0:21:24 | |
The least expected place that you would imagine to find one. | 0:21:24 | 0:21:28 | |
I'm an Orthodox Christian and I come | 0:21:32 | 0:21:36 | |
to Yorkshire, to the monastery, | 0:21:36 | 0:21:38 | |
as often as I can. | 0:21:38 | 0:21:40 | |
In a way, it's a kind of spiritual home. | 0:21:40 | 0:21:42 | |
The monastery's divided into two parts. | 0:21:45 | 0:21:47 | |
Father Ephraim lives in one part. | 0:21:47 | 0:21:51 | |
He is the priest and he says the Daily Offices, beginning with Matins | 0:21:51 | 0:21:56 | |
at 5 o'clock in the morning, usually said alone for the glory of God. | 0:21:56 | 0:22:01 | |
Not very many Orthodox Christians live in North Yorkshire. | 0:22:01 | 0:22:05 | |
Erm, and then there's the abbess, Mother Thekla, who now lives alone. | 0:22:05 | 0:22:09 | |
Originally there were three. | 0:22:09 | 0:22:12 | |
She really has become a kind of spiritual mother to me. | 0:22:12 | 0:22:16 | |
I mean, we work on texts together, which I set to music. | 0:22:17 | 0:22:23 | |
So, it's one of those very lucky coincidences in life, | 0:22:23 | 0:22:27 | |
not only am I able to unburden my soul to her, | 0:22:27 | 0:22:31 | |
but also we have this artistic collaboration. | 0:22:31 | 0:22:36 | |
For your librettist you need someone who's totally selfless | 0:22:42 | 0:22:47 | |
and she would describe herself as dead to the world. | 0:22:47 | 0:22:51 | |
In 1989, the BBC commissioned him | 0:23:02 | 0:23:04 | |
to write his cello concerto The Protecting Veil. | 0:23:04 | 0:23:07 | |
The soloist was Steven Isserlis | 0:23:07 | 0:23:10 | |
and the piece was a huge popular success. | 0:23:10 | 0:23:12 | |
Here was a richly, yet austerely meditative music that | 0:23:15 | 0:23:19 | |
answered a deep cathartic need in its audience. | 0:23:19 | 0:23:23 | |
I'll try and play it now. | 0:23:23 | 0:23:24 | |
In complete contrast, the middle section is solo cello without | 0:23:36 | 0:23:41 | |
the orchestra at all and right at the bottom and muted. | 0:23:41 | 0:23:44 | |
A mute to make it sound even softer. | 0:23:45 | 0:23:48 | |
The Mother of God lamenting | 0:24:01 | 0:24:03 | |
and then he brings in the middle of this a hymn. | 0:24:03 | 0:24:06 | |
It is this very romantic piece. | 0:24:14 | 0:24:16 | |
It is a hymn to the Mother of God, | 0:24:16 | 0:24:18 | |
but it's like a love song, in a way. | 0:24:18 | 0:24:20 | |
John really was writing from the heart, | 0:24:26 | 0:24:28 | |
and so it was a genuinely touching piece. | 0:24:28 | 0:24:31 | |
I remember somebody wrote to me that her friend was dying of cancer | 0:24:31 | 0:24:34 | |
and the only thing that would comfort her was The Protecting Vale. | 0:24:34 | 0:24:37 | |
I was so touched by that letter. | 0:24:37 | 0:24:38 | |
But also, and he would always be very pleased if I mentioned this, | 0:24:43 | 0:24:47 | |
just from a musical, compositional point of view, | 0:24:47 | 0:24:50 | |
it's the most incredibly original writing for the cello. | 0:24:50 | 0:24:53 | |
I imagine this cello filling the Cathedral of Saint Sophia | 0:26:25 | 0:26:29 | |
in Constantinople. | 0:26:29 | 0:26:31 | |
That slowly breathing space. | 0:26:37 | 0:26:41 | |
One of John's frequent collaborators was the soprano Patricia Rozario. | 0:27:39 | 0:27:44 | |
They met when she sang the title role | 0:27:44 | 0:27:46 | |
in John's music theatre work, Mary Of Egypt. | 0:27:46 | 0:27:49 | |
He always sang his parts. | 0:27:57 | 0:28:00 | |
He had a curious falsetto, which went amazingly high and then | 0:28:00 | 0:28:03 | |
he had this robust lower part to his voice, which was quite terrifying. | 0:28:03 | 0:28:07 | |
HE SINGS | 0:28:10 | 0:28:12 | |
He always talked about the idea of the voice being primordial, | 0:28:16 | 0:28:19 | |
you know, to connect with that emotion and space. | 0:28:19 | 0:28:23 | |
He often wanted the performer to be slightly removed. | 0:28:26 | 0:28:30 | |
So, it didn't allow you to be over-indulgent, he didn't like that. | 0:28:36 | 0:28:41 | |
He would often pick you up and say, you know, "Cut it out. | 0:28:43 | 0:28:47 | |
"Don't try and interpret my music, let it come through you". | 0:28:47 | 0:28:51 | |
You had to get to that level when it just flowed out of you and it was | 0:28:53 | 0:28:57 | |
almost like you were standing back | 0:28:57 | 0:28:59 | |
and letting that mixture of balanced emotion | 0:28:59 | 0:29:03 | |
and sound come through you. | 0:29:03 | 0:29:05 | |
It's about an orthodox saint, Mary of Egypt. | 0:29:38 | 0:29:42 | |
She went into the desert to shed herself | 0:29:42 | 0:29:46 | |
of all the physical experiences | 0:29:46 | 0:29:49 | |
that she had lived in her youth as a prostitute. | 0:29:49 | 0:29:52 | |
And she meets the priest, Zossima. | 0:29:52 | 0:29:55 | |
Although he was a priest and you'd expect him to be very close to God, | 0:30:01 | 0:30:04 | |
I think he was arid inside him. | 0:30:04 | 0:30:07 | |
His spiritual life had reached a very low, dry ebb. | 0:30:07 | 0:30:11 | |
He finds himself in the desert, searching for renewed life. | 0:30:16 | 0:30:22 | |
I think when he meets her, she actually is able | 0:30:22 | 0:30:26 | |
to spark that in him. | 0:30:26 | 0:30:27 | |
to spark that in him. | 0:30:27 | 0:30:28 | |
He is drawn to her as a person, but she sort of rejects him | 0:30:33 | 0:30:39 | |
and makes him aware that it's the spiritual that brings them together, | 0:30:39 | 0:30:43 | |
not the physical. | 0:30:43 | 0:30:45 | |
The music is ecstatic, but it's also quite wild. | 0:30:53 | 0:30:57 | |
There are many layers that you have to go through within yourself | 0:31:00 | 0:31:05 | |
to be released and to be able to sing it the way that he wanted to hear it. | 0:31:05 | 0:31:09 | |
These orthodox-inspired works embody the paradox of Tavener's music. | 0:31:31 | 0:31:37 | |
It's through its rigorous simplicity that it achieves | 0:31:37 | 0:31:40 | |
a genuine sense of ecstasy, of otherworldly being and feeling. | 0:31:40 | 0:31:46 | |
I tried to make an icon of light. | 0:31:46 | 0:31:49 | |
And I framed it with Greek words like phos, which means light. | 0:31:51 | 0:31:58 | |
# Phos... # | 0:32:00 | 0:32:05 | |
I used the string trio to represent the human soul, yearning for God. | 0:32:20 | 0:32:26 | |
# Phos | 0:32:36 | 0:32:41 | |
# Phos | 0:33:11 | 0:33:17 | |
# Phos | 0:33:47 | 0:33:54 | |
# Phos | 0:34:21 | 0:34:28 | |
# Phos. # | 0:34:57 | 0:35:05 | |
In 1997, Tavener's music was nominated for that year's | 0:35:07 | 0:35:10 | |
Mercury Music Prize, including a work called Svyati for solo cello - | 0:35:10 | 0:35:15 | |
Steven Isserlis again - and choir, | 0:35:15 | 0:35:17 | |
singing the words of the Orthodox funeral service. | 0:35:17 | 0:35:20 | |
THEY SING | 0:36:17 | 0:36:19 | |
APPLAUSE AND CHEERING | 0:37:16 | 0:37:19 | |
It was also in 1997 that John's music achieved its most iconic moment in global culture | 0:37:19 | 0:37:25 | |
when his Song For Athene was performed at the end of the funeral | 0:37:25 | 0:37:28 | |
of Diana, Princess of Wales. | 0:37:28 | 0:37:31 | |
Good evening. It's been a day like no other. | 0:37:31 | 0:37:33 | |
A day for the people stunned by the news of Diana's death. | 0:37:33 | 0:37:37 | |
And a day that rewrote the rules | 0:37:37 | 0:37:39 | |
about how a grieving nation should react. | 0:37:39 | 0:37:41 | |
More than a million lined the streets of the capital. | 0:37:44 | 0:37:47 | |
A heartfelt and emotional goodbye from her family | 0:37:47 | 0:37:50 | |
and the British people. | 0:37:50 | 0:37:52 | |
John's music voiced with uncanny, empathetic power | 0:37:57 | 0:38:01 | |
the feelings of grief of millions watching the service. | 0:38:01 | 0:38:05 | |
'As the coffin is raised and slowly carried to the Great West Door, | 0:38:09 | 0:38:14 | |
'preceded by the Dean's verger, the Dean and the ivory cross, | 0:38:14 | 0:38:19 | |
'we hear John Tavener's haunting setting of words | 0:38:19 | 0:38:23 | |
'from William Shakespeare's Hamlet with the Orthodox funeral service. | 0:38:23 | 0:38:28 | |
' "Alleluia. May flights of angels sing thee to thy rest. | 0:38:28 | 0:38:32 | |
' "Remember me, O Lord, when you come into your kingdom". ' | 0:38:32 | 0:38:36 | |
# Alleluia | 0:38:36 | 0:38:51 | |
# Alleluia | 0:38:52 | 0:38:52 | |
# Remember me | 0:38:54 | 0:39:03 | |
# O Lord | 0:39:03 | 0:39:06 | |
# When you come | 0:39:09 | 0:39:17 | |
# into your kingdom | 0:39:17 | 0:39:27 | |
# Alleluia | 0:39:30 | 0:39:38 | |
# Alleluia | 0:39:39 | 0:39:47 | |
# Give rest | 0:39:49 | 0:39:53 | |
# O Lord | 0:39:53 | 0:39:58 | |
# To your handmaid | 0:39:58 | 0:40:03 | |
# Who has fallen asleep | 0:40:03 | 0:40:09 | |
# Alleluia | 0:40:11 | 0:40:29 | |
# The choir of saints | 0:40:31 | 0:40:37 | |
# Have found the well spring of life | 0:40:37 | 0:40:44 | |
# And door of paradise | 0:40:44 | 0:40:56 | |
# Alleluia | 0:40:58 | 0:41:15 | |
# Life | 0:41:18 | 0:41:22 | |
# A shadow | 0:41:22 | 0:41:37 | |
# And a dream | 0:41:37 | 0:41:51 | |
# Alleluia | 0:41:53 | 0:42:11 | |
# Weeping at the grave | 0:42:16 | 0:42:23 | |
# Creates the song | 0:42:23 | 0:42:30 | |
# Alleluia | 0:42:30 | 0:42:43 | |
# Come | 0:42:47 | 0:42:50 | |
# Enjoy rewards | 0:42:50 | 0:42:54 | |
# Enjoy rewards | 0:42:54 | 0:42:58 | |
# And crowns | 0:42:58 | 0:43:02 | |
# I have | 0:43:02 | 0:43:07 | |
# Prepared | 0:43:07 | 0:43:17 | |
# For you. # | 0:43:19 | 0:43:31 | |
It moves me that that music, which is very simple | 0:43:36 | 0:43:38 | |
It moves me that that music, which is very simple | 0:43:39 | 0:43:40 | |
and very transparent, can have an effect on so many people. | 0:43:40 | 0:43:44 | |
It came about when a friend of my family's - | 0:43:44 | 0:43:47 | |
I didn't know her very well - Athene Hariades, | 0:43:47 | 0:43:51 | |
was killed in a cycling accident. | 0:43:51 | 0:43:54 | |
And I went to her funeral in the Russian Orthodox Church. | 0:43:54 | 0:43:57 | |
And I felt somehow that, | 0:43:57 | 0:44:00 | |
as I've felt often before, | 0:44:00 | 0:44:02 | |
a person, when they die, leaves some kind of gift. | 0:44:02 | 0:44:06 | |
You said something very striking in one of the media interviews you did. | 0:44:06 | 0:44:10 | |
You referred to the one for whom it was originally written - the Princess of Wales - | 0:44:10 | 0:44:14 | |
and you said, "A song written for two women who died prematurely." | 0:44:14 | 0:44:20 | |
Then you paused and said, "Apparently prematurely." What did you mean that that? | 0:44:20 | 0:44:25 | |
I think because I don't believe anything happens by accident, | 0:44:25 | 0:44:29 | |
I think that our death is known already by God. | 0:44:29 | 0:44:33 | |
We don't know this master plan. | 0:44:33 | 0:44:38 | |
It's not for us to know either. | 0:44:38 | 0:44:40 | |
But I don't think death is an accident. | 0:44:40 | 0:44:43 | |
This raises a particularly stark question in terms of your own life, | 0:44:43 | 0:44:46 | |
because you've several times...faced the possibility of death. Yes. | 0:44:46 | 0:44:50 | |
So when you faced, for example, the heart surgery, | 0:44:50 | 0:44:52 | |
you say that you accept that | 0:44:52 | 0:44:54 | |
the time of our death is decided by God. Yes. | 0:44:54 | 0:44:57 | |
Were you totally accepting or were you frightened? | 0:44:57 | 0:45:00 | |
No, I wasn't frightened. Erm... | 0:45:00 | 0:45:02 | |
I mean, I thought I was probably... as Mother Thekla put it, | 0:45:04 | 0:45:07 | |
"You're far too evil to die, darling." | 0:45:07 | 0:45:10 | |
I felt in a sense I'd been given another chance. | 0:45:11 | 0:45:16 | |
Mark Lawson, interviewing the composer in 1998. | 0:45:16 | 0:45:21 | |
Choral music was something intimate, personal, | 0:45:21 | 0:45:24 | |
and above all, accessible for John Tavener. | 0:45:24 | 0:45:27 | |
He wanted his music to be sung by amateur choirs | 0:45:27 | 0:45:29 | |
and to be enjoyed by everybody. | 0:45:29 | 0:45:31 | |
# Many years | 0:45:32 | 0:45:38 | |
# Many | 0:45:41 | 0:45:48 | |
# Years. # | 0:45:48 | 0:45:53 | |
I do feel that as a litmus test for a composer, | 0:45:53 | 0:45:57 | |
if he's a true composer, then he should be able to write music | 0:45:57 | 0:46:03 | |
that amateur choirs should be able to sing. | 0:46:03 | 0:46:06 | |
THEY SING | 0:46:08 | 0:46:13 | |
I think whenever he wrote for choir, he probably felt that he was in | 0:46:18 | 0:46:23 | |
a sense returning home to his early roots, | 0:46:23 | 0:46:26 | |
where he'd been a keen member of the Highgate School Choir. | 0:46:26 | 0:46:30 | |
There's a sense of the voices becoming a family | 0:46:32 | 0:46:35 | |
and becoming spiritual, really. | 0:46:35 | 0:46:39 | |
There's a kind of simplicity that taps into the depth of plain chant | 0:46:49 | 0:46:55 | |
and Russian and Greek Orthodox music. | 0:46:55 | 0:46:59 | |
John had the gift to be simple, which is why his music has always | 0:47:03 | 0:47:09 | |
reached out to such a large public, | 0:47:09 | 0:47:13 | |
of what you might call "ordinary music lovers". | 0:47:13 | 0:47:15 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:47:15 | 0:47:18 | |
Another important moment came with the performance of a new work | 0:47:18 | 0:47:22 | |
in the celebrations in the Millennium Dome, | 0:47:22 | 0:47:25 | |
right on the threshold of the year 2000. | 0:47:25 | 0:47:28 | |
# Let there be respect | 0:47:33 | 0:47:41 | |
# For the Earth | 0:47:41 | 0:47:47 | |
# O, Lord | 0:47:47 | 0:47:53 | |
# Peace for Your people | 0:47:53 | 0:48:01 | |
# O, Lord | 0:48:01 | 0:48:07 | |
# Love in our lives | 0:48:07 | 0:48:14 | |
# Delight in the good | 0:48:14 | 0:48:17 | |
# O, Lord | 0:48:17 | 0:48:23 | |
# Forgiveness for past wrongs | 0:48:23 | 0:48:31 | |
# O, Lord. # | 0:48:31 | 0:48:37 | |
So Tavener's music became the last to be heard | 0:48:37 | 0:48:40 | |
and televised in the old millennium, | 0:48:40 | 0:48:43 | |
but it was also among the first to consecrate the next 1,000 years. | 0:48:43 | 0:48:48 | |
His epic cantata, Fall And Resurrection, was | 0:48:48 | 0:48:51 | |
premiered at St Paul's cathedral on the 4th of January in the year 2000. | 0:48:51 | 0:48:55 | |
It was an attempt, | 0:48:55 | 0:48:56 | |
as the newly knighted Sir John Tavener explained, | 0:48:56 | 0:48:59 | |
to encompass in brief glimpses the events that had taken place | 0:48:59 | 0:49:03 | |
since the beginning of time and before time. | 0:49:03 | 0:49:07 | |
A typically universal ambition. | 0:49:07 | 0:49:10 | |
The music is quite challenging. | 0:49:28 | 0:49:30 | |
It really is difficult and it was one of those pieces where the | 0:49:30 | 0:49:35 | |
soprano part, he really uses the whole range of my voice. | 0:49:35 | 0:49:39 | |
He uses elements of Indian music, | 0:49:39 | 0:49:42 | |
as well as taking it up into the stratosphere in a Western way. | 0:49:42 | 0:49:46 | |
In fact, in the score, there were sections which went unbelievably | 0:50:18 | 0:50:22 | |
low and in rehearsal, he changed his mind, and I was so relieved! | 0:50:22 | 0:50:26 | |
CHURCH BELLS RING | 0:50:26 | 0:50:29 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:50:29 | 0:50:32 | |
'The bells of St Paul's Cathedral ringing out | 0:50:32 | 0:50:36 | |
'and will continue for several hours and in a sense, the music goes on.' | 0:50:36 | 0:50:40 | |
That was quite an amazing experience, | 0:50:40 | 0:50:43 | |
especially being at St Paul's, in the presence of the Prince of Wales. | 0:50:43 | 0:50:48 | |
I think John really believed that his composition was a gift from God. | 0:50:48 | 0:50:53 | |
In 2010, in BBC Four's Sacred Music series, Simon Russell Beale | 0:50:53 | 0:50:59 | |
and the virtuoso choir The Sixteen undertook a major | 0:50:59 | 0:51:03 | |
exploration of Sir John's music. | 0:51:03 | 0:51:05 | |
# In You | 0:51:05 | 0:51:10 | |
# O Woman full of Grace | 0:51:10 | 0:51:18 | |
# The angelic choirs | 0:51:18 | 0:51:26 | |
# And the human race | 0:51:26 | 0:51:32 | |
# All creation rejoices! # | 0:51:32 | 0:51:38 | |
John, can we start with the word "tradition" - | 0:51:38 | 0:51:41 | |
because everything I've read about your music, the word | 0:51:41 | 0:51:45 | |
"tradition" comes up, but I think you mean something quite specific. | 0:51:45 | 0:51:49 | |
I do mean it in a broader sense, in so far as I think the reason | 0:51:49 | 0:51:55 | |
sacred music continues is because people have a thirst for tradition. | 0:51:55 | 0:52:03 | |
They want to see some continuity and I had to become | 0:52:03 | 0:52:08 | |
so soaked in tradition, in Orthodox tradition, I learned a bit about | 0:52:08 | 0:52:13 | |
Indian music, I learned a bit about Arabic music, and various traditions, | 0:52:13 | 0:52:18 | |
to understand how they worked, and then tried to create a style. | 0:52:18 | 0:52:23 | |
Every time we perform John's music, | 0:52:26 | 0:52:29 | |
we have to enter almost into his soul, into his way of thinking. | 0:52:29 | 0:52:33 | |
His music is very still, it's very difficult to sing, actually. | 0:52:33 | 0:52:36 | |
He stretches the limits of each voice, | 0:52:36 | 0:52:38 | |
he takes the basses incredibly low | 0:52:38 | 0:52:40 | |
and the top voice is taken very high, in a very celestial... | 0:52:40 | 0:52:45 | |
Everything is mirroring, basically, the world and heaven and hell. | 0:52:45 | 0:52:50 | |
# And praise be | 0:52:50 | 0:52:56 | |
# To You. # | 0:52:56 | 0:53:02 | |
That leads me on to what this music is for. Who is it for? | 0:53:05 | 0:53:10 | |
Is it for the performers themselves, as an act of worship? Is it for God? | 0:53:10 | 0:53:16 | |
I wouldn't actually be able to go through the act of composing | 0:53:16 | 0:53:19 | |
if I didn't think it was finally for God | 0:53:19 | 0:53:23 | |
that I was doing it, although probably now, sitting | 0:53:23 | 0:53:27 | |
here on the sofa, I think that's probably rather quite naive of me. | 0:53:27 | 0:53:32 | |
THEY SING | 0:53:32 | 0:53:36 | |
Ritual has always been important to me, ever since my father, | 0:53:45 | 0:53:49 | |
when I was three, I remember, brought home pamphlets of cars and as | 0:53:49 | 0:53:56 | |
a three-year-old, I stamped on them, | 0:53:56 | 0:53:59 | |
"Big car, little car, big car, little car, big car, little car, big car, | 0:53:59 | 0:54:03 | |
"little car, big car, little car," | 0:54:03 | 0:54:06 | |
and I did a ritual dance. | 0:54:06 | 0:54:09 | |
The importance of sacred, was already important to me at three. | 0:54:09 | 0:54:12 | |
# Kyrie eleison | 0:54:19 | 0:54:24 | |
# Kyrie eleison... # | 0:54:24 | 0:54:26 | |
In the mid-1990s, | 0:54:29 | 0:54:32 | |
John's spiritual journey reached out beyond Orthodox Christianity | 0:54:32 | 0:54:36 | |
and he began to explore through his music ideas drawn from Islam, | 0:54:36 | 0:54:37 | |
and he began to explore through his music ideas drawn from Islam, | 0:54:37 | 0:54:40 | |
from Hinduism and from Buddhism. | 0:54:40 | 0:54:42 | |
I think the Orthodox Church points towards the East | 0:54:47 | 0:54:51 | |
and I was born more drawn towards the East and I thought there was | 0:54:51 | 0:54:56 | |
a possibility through music to bring about some kind of unity. | 0:54:56 | 0:55:00 | |
# Shunya | 0:55:00 | 0:55:11 | |
# Shunya | 0:55:11 | 0:55:15 | |
# Shunya. # | 0:55:15 | 0:55:21 | |
Shunya was composed in 2004. | 0:55:21 | 0:55:26 | |
John has said that his intention was to express | 0:55:26 | 0:55:28 | |
a little of the inexpressible and the Sanskrit word "Shunya", | 0:55:28 | 0:55:32 | |
which means void or nothingness, is repeatedly intoned as the piece | 0:55:32 | 0:55:36 | |
unfolds, like a Buddhist ritual over the course of 20 minutes. | 0:55:36 | 0:55:40 | |
# Shunya | 0:55:42 | 0:55:45 | |
# Shunya. # | 0:55:45 | 0:55:48 | |
That really was an idea, to try, in music, rather than in silence, | 0:55:48 | 0:55:52 | |
to represent the idea of nothingness | 0:55:52 | 0:55:54 | |
cos it doesn't go anywhere, Shunya. No, no. | 0:55:54 | 0:55:57 | |
It stands still. That's about the Buddhist concept, really, of nirvana. | 0:55:57 | 0:56:01 | |
So I think I was always journeying towards this. | 0:56:01 | 0:56:04 | |
I don't see any point in writing a silent piece of music, | 0:56:04 | 0:56:08 | |
but I do see a point in the journey towards it. | 0:56:08 | 0:56:11 | |
SINGING CONTINUES | 0:56:11 | 0:56:17 | |
One of the most powerful influences in my life, | 0:56:44 | 0:56:48 | |
and I've not spoken about this before, | 0:56:48 | 0:56:50 | |
was a Presbyterian minister and he told me, | 0:56:50 | 0:56:53 | |
"Life is a creeping tragedy - that's why I must be cheerful," and I | 0:56:53 | 0:56:57 | |
only now at the end of my life begin to understand what he meant by it. | 0:56:57 | 0:57:02 | |
You know, that life is tragic, but there is the other dimension. | 0:57:02 | 0:57:07 | |
The brilliance of Tavener's music is that for so many listeners, | 0:57:16 | 0:57:20 | |
it seems to leave the world permanently, unforgettably altered. | 0:57:20 | 0:57:24 | |
There was a sense in which he was always | 0:57:24 | 0:57:28 | |
searching for a spiritual realm, which he would find through music. | 0:57:28 | 0:57:33 | |
One of the things that we're all hardwired to want is | 0:57:33 | 0:57:37 | |
something spiritual. | 0:57:37 | 0:57:40 | |
And he realised that, I think, at an early age and the spirituality | 0:57:40 | 0:57:46 | |
that has always lain at the heart of his work is profound. | 0:57:46 | 0:57:51 | |
I think his music has a meditative element to it and yet, | 0:57:54 | 0:57:58 | |
he has the ability to make it relevant. | 0:57:58 | 0:58:02 | |
In fact, he said to me, "My music is being played by young | 0:58:02 | 0:58:06 | |
"people at rave parties." He found that quite amusing. | 0:58:06 | 0:58:09 | |
As a composer and as a man, he had an extraordinary effect. | 0:58:12 | 0:58:16 | |
I knew him from the late '80s. | 0:58:16 | 0:58:17 | |
We had our ups and downs, in friendship, definitely. | 0:58:17 | 0:58:21 | |
But then, God, when he died... | 0:58:21 | 0:58:23 | |
You just realise how much he meant to everybody who knew him, really. | 0:58:23 | 0:58:29 | |
You couldn't know him and not care about him. | 0:58:29 | 0:58:32 |