The Who: The Making of Tommy


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Who are The Who? The Who are The Who, that's who they are.

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A rock group, veterans of Woodstock,

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and now they're authors and performers in a rock opera

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Pete knew that he'd got to write something more substantial

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and he'd always had this thing about writing a rock opera.

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# Ever since I was a young boy I played the silver ball... #

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I felt... the band, and myself as a composer,

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deserved one big last splurge.

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If that album hadn't made it, the band would have disbanded.

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# Sure plays a mean pinball... #

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Tommy is one of the most important albums ever made, and was

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Pete sitting with his guitar, trying to make sense of the universe.

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# Tommy, can you hear me?

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# Can you feel me near you? #

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When we played it live it changed me completely.

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I just grabbed it by the scruff of the neck and said,

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"Right, let's make this person live."

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# I'm free

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I'm free... #

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I'm fed up with talking about it I'm certainly not fed up with playing it.

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We always had an idea that Tommy was going to mean something.

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It was a series of great hit singles, it's a great concept album,

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it's a rock opera, it's a great concert vehicle for The Who.

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# Listening to you... #

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I just knew we were good.

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I didn't quite know how or why or what, but I knew we were good.

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The reviews they got were overwhelming,

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and so they'd suddenly arrived and Tommy changed everything.

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Tommy was the first time that we really tackled

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the idea of doing an album as a piece of art.

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It was meant, in a sense, to hold a mirror, you know,

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to what we were doing at the time and what was happening to us.

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And when you look at sort of what was happening,

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it then starts to really take on extra resonance.

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By '68, they seemed to be running out of steam.

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They were in trouble, really.

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We were afraid that we were losing our touch.

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We'd had a series of successful hit singles, you know,

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from I Can't Explain, Anyway, Anyhow, Anywhere,

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My Generation, Pictures of Lily, I'm a Boy.

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We were a singles band going nowhere,

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and occasionally we might come up with a hit single now and again

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but on stage we had grown immensely.

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# I can see for miles and miles and miles and miles and miles... #

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They were the group that took the power of rock'n'roll

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most seriously. I love the early Who singles.

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I think, you know, to me

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maybe the greatest rock'n'roll record of all time is I Can See For Miles.

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I Can See For Miles, which should have been number one,

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there's no question about it -

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it's a masterpiece as a pop song of our genre - and it didn't do that.

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I think Pete thought we were running out of steam,

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but then I always believed in the chemistry of the band.

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There's something about the mathematics of Who music, within it,

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that knitted it together, and it had an incredible strength.

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# Talking about my generation

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# Talking about my generation

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# Talking about my generation

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# Talking about my ge-ge-ge...

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# Talking about my generation

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# My generation This is my generation, baby... #

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They were just a great live band and that sense of, you know, you just

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had this feeling like, you know at any moment they could just levitate.

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GUITARS SCREECH

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It's an image that remains in my mind about the energy

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and danger that he had in his performance.

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Pete was playing and was bleeding from his hand

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DISTORTED GUITARS

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# My generation... #

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The Who had this enormous image set for them in stone, really,

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by My Generation

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and the Mod connection and smashing up equipment,

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and so they wanted to destroy that image

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and prove that they could do something of real importance and value.

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And we were writing more

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and more stuff that didn't fit in with the singles market.

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The shortcoming was mine. I wasn't coming up with the singles.

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And I knew that I couldn't do better than I Can See For Miles,

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and I was kind of groping, in a sense, to find

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something that would work for the band at this time.

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He knew that he'd got to write something more substantial

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and he'd always had this thing about writing a rock opera.

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Pete obviously wrote the songs

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but it was huge, huge input from Kit Lambert.

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And, you know, Kit was always pushing Pete to write deeper,

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write for a bigger stage.

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There is more valid, new creative music being made at the pop end

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I don't see any good classical composers emerging at the moment.

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I certainly haven't heard a decent new symphony

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or a decent new opera in the last 18 months.

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And I think opera, as we know now, is absolutely defunct.

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One needs a completely fresh approach,

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and I think pop's going to provide it.

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There were other attempts to do similar kind of things,

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although nobody took much notice of them at the time,

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it has to be said. There was Mark Wirtz's Teenage Opera, which was

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a single, but was actually intended to become a full-blown opera.

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And then The Pretty Things had been working on something

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called SF Sorrow, which was a concept album,

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and they later claimed that this was the first rock opera.

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I felt we were first anyway because we'd done, you know,

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two operas, we'd done... It's just that they didn't look like that

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It's a group of numbers off our LP written by Pete -

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it was part of an opera he wrote.

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It's a bit shorter than it was supposed to be.

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It's one called A Quick One.

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It was a piece that ran about 11 minutes long that really

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showed the potential of the band.

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The Who told stories.

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You know, there was a narrative arc in all of those songs,

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however short.

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Cos what A Quick One While He's Away was, I think,

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five or six songs which I was working on, this story about child abuse.

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Mainly it was a story about evacuees,

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because when these kids came home and they told their parents

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about the fact that they'd had a terrible time,

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their parents said, "Listen, shut up.

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"You're alive, you're lucky, you know,

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"you weren't blown to bits in the Blitz. Just keep your mouth shut."

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So everybody went into, you know, huge denial.

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I'm on the stage and we get to the end - "you are forgiven".

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This is at the end of A Quick One, I went, "You are forgiven.

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"You are forgiven. You are forgiven.

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"Forgiven, forgiven, forgiven, forgiven, forgiven, FORGIVEN!"

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You know. This incredible...

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When, of course, no forgiveness there at all.

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And then finally...

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# We're all forgiven... #

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But we'd also done another one called Rael, which was...

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you know, a full-length, two-hour epic opera

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squeezed down to seven minutes

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# He's crazy if he thinks we're coming back again

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# He's crazy if he thinks we're coming back again... #

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I felt I was in a climate where everybody was going to be

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doing this kind of thing.

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Cos it was on an extraordinary period, that psychedelic period

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of...

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Because people were opening up their minds with psychedelic drugs.

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New attitudes and the whole love movement,

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and a sort of philosophical kind of revolution took place very quickly.

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And people were searching for their own kind of answers.

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The Who weren't, you know, immune to all of that.

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I mean, in their own way,

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like Townshend himself was very interested in philosophy

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and all kinds of mysticism, in a sense,

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and experimentation with drugs wasn't unknown to The Who.

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Pete had had that LSD bad trip he took

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when coming back from the States.

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It was the most extraordinary drug experience

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that I've ever been through.

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It was just absolutely bizarre like Alice In Wonderland,

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like extreme mental illness.

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Nothing good about it at all, but so disturbing that I left my body

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and I floated up on the ceiling of the aircraft

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looking down at myself, and I'm sitting there and I'm unconscious.

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It's extremely disturbing

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and I'm very, very frightened I'm going to die.

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And when I get home, I kind of think about this and I think,

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"I left my body.

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"I just left my body, so I know that I am not my fucking body.

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And it shook him up, and from then on

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he gave up psychedelic drugs and got very anti-psychedelic drugs.

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There was that sense that we needed an alternative to this

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extraordinary colourful world that we discovered in hallucinogenics.

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At that point everybody, it seemed like, you know,

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was exploring some or one or another aspect of, you know,

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kind of a spiritual development

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You're looking for some answers

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You're looking for some ways of living.

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You're looking for something that's going to bring you

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some peace of some kind, and I think Meher Baba offered that.

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When Mike McInnerney introduced Meher Baba to Pete,

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I think he gave him a book.

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It was called The God-Man by an eminent British journalist

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called CB Purdom, and I kind of immediately warmed

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to the way he looked in the photo,

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but what really struck me is as soon as I started

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to open the book up, I started to read things, I felt that I'd found

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answers to so many of the questions that were rolling round in my head.

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And the really, really simple thing is -

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and it's really not complicated - was that he asked you to love him.

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It was the simple stuff

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that I liked. It was "don't worry, be happy.

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"Do your best, leave the results to God."

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You know what you should do, basically,

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that's why I think he didn't speak.

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He took a vow of silence in 192 or something,

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and I think he didn't speak because he said it had all been said,

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do you know what I mean?

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There's no point giving more messages, it's all there.

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You can't describe the kind of the discovery,

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the feeling you get when you feel the presence of someone like

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Meher Baba on Earth, on this planet, at this time, in this universe

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It changed him completely. He was absolutely fired up by it.

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He was absolutely...

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I mean, it was the most profound change he'd ever had in his life.

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You impede your own spiritual progress by doing things

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which are against the grain physically,

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by self-indulgence, by indulging in lust, by indulging in greed

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And we just had to stop fucking around, you know.

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We had to stop taking acid,

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stop pretending that we could have sex

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with whoever we wanted to have sex with

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and just get serious about life

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Let your own intuition guide you.

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Like, when you're writing a song or something,

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just write it with the best intentions - probably to entertain

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and to please people -

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and via doing that, you might create a spark in them.

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When I did discover Meher Baba I think all the pieces of the jigsaw

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fit into place and then I was able to start on Tommy in earnest,

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and I think I was inspired to write Tommy as a spiritual story.

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The idea was that Tommy would be a young boy who would grow up

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in adverse circumstances, but those adverse circumstances

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would lead him to a spiritual pathway.

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He would then be elected,

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if you like, by the masses as a spiritual teacher

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and then he would, in a sense, misuse his powers and pay the price.

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And that was the original story

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This is 1918.

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Captain Walker is missing, believed to be missing with a number of men.

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Then Mrs Walker has a child, a son.

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ALL: Absent friends.

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# Captain Walker didn't come home

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# His unborn child will never know him... #

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The war is still on... you know, it's about to end.

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A mother has bore a child.

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# It's a boy, Mrs Walker

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# It's a boy

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# It's a boy, Mrs Walker... #

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She doesn't know, you know, if it will have a father.

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She's taken a lover.

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# A son, a son, a son... #

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I had to create this viable boy that my audience, Who fans,

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could occupy, get inside him, and then they become the hero.

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Then Captain Walker comes back

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Now, the first song is very vague,

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you don't really know what's happened.

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# I had a feeling '21 is gonna be a good year

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# Especially if you and me sit in together... #

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All around me, when I was a kid

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there were these intrigues going on, you know, marital intrigues.

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My mum, she fell in love with this guy

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and she wanted to run away with him, and what she wanted was romance

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and that was the thing that my dad couldn't give her.

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# I had no reason to be over-optimistic

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# But somehow when you smile I can brave bad weather... #

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A smile, a loving touch, this is what life was about.

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# About the boy, about the boy

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# About the boy, he saw it all

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# You didn't hear it You didn't see it

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# You won't say nothing to no-one Never in your life

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# You never heard it

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# Oh, how absurd it all seems Without any proof... #

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It turns out - although you wouldn't know it from the record -

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that the father came back and found the mother with her lover

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and he killed the lover, and the boy witnessed it.

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As a child he sees this murder

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as a child he sees a reflection of the murder.

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He doesn't actually see the murder, he doesn't see the blood,

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he doesn't hear the cries, he just sees this happening in this mirror.

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And as a result of them saying "You didn't see it.

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"You never saw it. You won't tell a word about it," he has a trauma

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and he withdraws himself and becomes deaf, dumb and blind.

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# That dumb and blind boy He's in a quiet vibration land

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# Strange as it seems

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# His music dreams ain't quite so bad... #

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The amazing journey was the nucleus of Tommy,

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as far as I was concerned, and it sticks in my brain

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and has been the song that kind of said it all.

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It's about going through life in this strange other world.

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With the deaf, dumb and blind boy, I was looking

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for an analogy to the fact that it seemed to me that we are deaf, dumb

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and blind, if you like, with respect to our spiritual genome.

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Whatever it is in us that drives us spiritually

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is effectively deaf, dumb and blind.

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I think Townshend totally got how, underneath

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all of your aggression and all of your violence

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and all of your anger is a real sensitivity,

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a desire to somehow be accepted

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# Sickness will surely take the mind where minds can't usually go

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# Come on the amazing journey and learn all you should know... #

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I'd written this epic poem,

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it was about somebody who gets very, very, very close to God-realisation

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and then makes a disastrous mistake.

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"As time passes boredom forces me to amuse myself.

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"I marry and justify a lifetime of obsessed

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"money-making in order to keep my family.

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"I justify an eternity of oblivious dreaming to counter

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"the strain of all my money-making."

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The music business itself would appear to be very shallow

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and very kind of one-dimensional in a way, you know,

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leading a lifestyle that is not always satisfactory

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I don't know how he coped, you know?

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This was a guy in two worlds, you know?

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He's in a rock'n'roll world.

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He's coping with stardom and, at the same time,

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he's trying to be a boy, trying to understand himself,

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and he's trying to be a man and be a good husband.

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It is a warning that if you don t use the experience that you have,

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if you don't use the qualities that you develop wisely

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and kindly and in a good way, you know, you end up in shit.

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MUSIC: "Eyesight To The Blind" by Sonny Boy Williamson

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There's that brilliant use of Sonny Boy Williamson, one of the, you know,

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original great blues figures, and a song called Eyesight To The Blind,

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you know, a nod to both where this music came from,

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where The Who came from and a perfect use of an old song in a new context.

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I was attracted to it because it was about...

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He refers to a deaf, dumb and blind guy in his song.

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I like singing this...

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probably most out of all the things we've ever done.

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It's challenging, it's incredibly challenging

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but, at the end of it, it's incredibly rewarding.

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And it fit in beautifully, I think.

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It created a reference back to our lineage, our heritage,

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our influences... and it's a fucking great song, too.

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# You talk about your woman

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# I wish you could see mine

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# Yeah, you talk about your woman

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# I wish you could see mine... #

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I don't know why Kit...

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It's always puzzled me why he double-tracked everything.

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It's not like I haven't got quite a fat voice to start with

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but it did give it that kind of other worldly quality.

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# She's got the power to heal you

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# Never fear

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# She's got the power to heal you

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# Never fear... #

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It solved a problem in a narrative.

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I wanted there to be a pimp.

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I wanted the Acid Queen to have a pimp.

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I didn't want the Acid Queen to be entirely responsible

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for corrupting the boy, sexually speaking.

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Pete just has a darker turn of mind

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and, you know, addressed these things, and powerfully so

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Nothing at all could ever be too strong for an album

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and nothing was off-limits.

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It was amazing that the band supported him

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and were not anti-critical of him, Meher Baba and all the rest of it.

0:20:080:20:11

Cos the thing was that they could probably sense that he was

0:20:110:20:14

definitely inspired from his confidence

0:20:140:20:16

that he got from Meher Baba.

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We were always supportive,

0:20:170:20:19

that had been going on for years, but there was something

0:20:190:20:21

in Kit's belief in us that I always knew that it would be OK,

0:20:210:20:26

and that Pete would kind of go on to write this kind of work.

0:20:260:20:30

# Did you ever see the faces of the children?

0:20:340:20:37

# They get so excited

0:20:370:20:40

# Waking up on Christmas morning

0:20:430:20:45

# Hours before the winter sun's ignited... #

0:20:450:20:49

On Christmas Eve, I would be left on my own,

0:20:490:20:54

and with a fire and all the presents round the tree. Magic.

0:20:540:20:58

Just waiting, waiting while my mum and dad went to the pub,

0:20:580:21:01

got smashed, came back at one o'clock in the morning,

0:21:010:21:04

put me to bed. Then I'd wake up and open my presents and, yeah

0:21:040:21:08

that was good times.

0:21:080:21:09

# And Tommy doesn't know what day it is

0:21:090:21:13

# He doesn't know who Jesus was or what praying is

0:21:150:21:20

# How can he be saved from the eternal grave?

0:21:200:21:28

# See me

0:21:290:21:32

# Feel me

0:21:340:21:37

# Touch me

0:21:380:21:41

# Heal me... #

0:21:430:21:45

There is that extraordinary moment in the recording of Tommy

0:21:450:21:48

where I arrive late, looking forward to doing my bit, you know,

0:21:480:21:53

which is singing the emotional bits, "See me, feel me..."

0:21:530:22:00

You know, because, you know, I had such a tough childhood,

0:22:000:22:04

so I would be able to really sing it.

0:22:040:22:06

And I knew that, you know,

0:22:060:22:07

Roger had had a couple of goes and Kit had kind of gone,

0:22:070:22:10

"I don't think you'd better do this, Rog.

0:22:100:22:13

"I think I might better leave this to Pete."

0:22:130:22:15

And I come in and I hear this.

0:22:150:22:17

# See me

0:22:170:22:19

# Feel me

0:22:210:22:23

# Touch me

0:22:240:22:27

# Heal me... #

0:22:280:22:30

And I realised that Roger has occupied Tommy,

0:22:310:22:36

in such a way, though, that other people were unable to occupy him.

0:22:360:22:41

# Heal me... #

0:22:410:22:45

I was just inhabiting the music

0:22:450:22:47

I think everybody has a longing in them...

0:22:480:22:52

..to be understood, to be loved and that's what I tried to do.

0:22:530:23:00

I was very, very well aware that

0:23:050:23:08

it was going to do something a little bit deeper,

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and in that Kit Lambert was an absolute dynamo of support.

0:23:120:23:17

But then, it wasn't just Kit, we did have Chris Stamp in there

0:23:170:23:21

who's, again, very, very influential on the input of Tommy.

0:23:210:23:25

Their partnership and their work together

0:23:250:23:28

was extraordinary and magical.

0:23:280:23:31

Tommy was everything.

0:23:310:23:34

You know, we were going to... we were going to sort of

0:23:340:23:36

put everything into Tommy. It was going to be the, sort of

0:23:360:23:39

the great big last-ditch effort you know,

0:23:390:23:41

of all this sort of creative juice that we'd had for all these years.

0:23:410:23:46

If ever I had any doubts, you know... If ever I said, you know,

0:23:460:23:49

"Oh, God, you know, it all feels a bit pretentious,

0:23:490:23:51

he would just say, "Oh, fuck them."

0:23:510:23:52

You know. "Just fuck them all, you know?

0:23:530:23:57

"What does anybody know about opera?"

0:23:570:23:59

But the person that was most helpful to me in constructing

0:23:590:24:02

the story was actually the guy doing the artwork - Michael McInnerney.

0:24:020:24:07

As a creative in the band, you know,

0:24:070:24:09

Pete needed somebody to be able to talk his ideas out to.

0:24:090:24:12

We were still in the studio developing the music,

0:24:120:24:15

so I would go and I would talk to him about it,

0:24:150:24:17

I would play him my demos.

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He often got to hear my songs before the band.

0:24:190:24:22

The cover carried a kind of symbolic idea

0:24:220:24:25

of what I felt the overarching idea of the album was.

0:24:250:24:30

I was trying to carry this idea of what it would be like,

0:24:300:24:33

in a sense, to be this character,

0:24:330:24:35

trying to imagine what it's like

0:24:350:24:37

if you can't see, you can't hear, you can't speak, what kind of world

0:24:370:24:42

you're in, you know, how infinite and how large that might be.

0:24:420:24:46

I had to try and find a kind of visual method to sort of do that.

0:24:460:24:50

I don't think Mike has ever surpassed it.

0:24:500:24:52

He's done some fantastic work,

0:24:520:24:54

but I do think that it's up there with Magritte.

0:24:540:24:57

# Extra, extra, read all about it

0:24:570:25:00

# Extra... #

0:25:000:25:02

My first major interview about Tommy was with Jann Wenner

0:25:020:25:05

of Rolling Stone magazine before the fucking album was made,

0:25:050:25:08

in which I pitched the album and he printed it in its entirety.

0:25:080:25:13

I didn't know at the time that was the first time he'd, apparently

0:25:130:25:16

had ever articulated that,

0:25:160:25:18

and I think that he might have been making it up

0:25:180:25:20

as he was going along, you know it was kind of occurring to him

0:25:200:25:24

But he'd laid it out in very rational form.

0:25:240:25:27

And he said that, really, that interview cleared it -

0:25:270:25:31

clarified it in his head.

0:25:310:25:32

What's interesting, reading that interview

0:25:320:25:36

is the conviction that I had that we, as a band,

0:25:360:25:39

could kind of create this journey for this boy.

0:25:390:25:42

We could sort of make this music

0:25:420:25:44

that evoked all of these different aspects of life

0:25:440:25:48

and very, very ambitious, you know,

0:25:480:25:51

but I was convinced that we could do it.

0:25:510:25:54

# We're on our own, cousin

0:25:540:25:59

# All alone, cousin... #

0:25:590:26:04

Pete Townshend is one of the most sensitive souls who's ever

0:26:040:26:07

found their way into rock'n'roll.

0:26:070:26:09

And I think that's the secret of Tommy, is he was sensitive

0:26:090:26:13

to his own issues and to the fact that there were probably

0:26:130:26:17

other people out there dealing with some of the same psychosexual

0:26:170:26:22

childhood abuse, bullying, all these themes that are so of the moment.

0:26:220:26:27

Young Tommy went through, you know, sexual molestation, bullying,

0:26:270:26:31

drugs and whatever, that Pete had gone through.

0:26:310:26:34

Pete was an unhappy kid, you know, full of, you know, doubt

0:26:340:26:38

and shame and feelings of inadequacy and the inability to get a girl

0:26:380:26:43

And he's really...pretty painfully frank in his music..

0:26:430:26:48

..at a time when you're not supposed to be

0:26:490:26:51

# You won't be much fun being blind, deaf and dumb

0:26:510:26:55

# But I've no-one to play with today... #

0:26:550:26:59

Bullying at that time, it was just, you know, it was just...

0:27:000:27:03

It was par for the course. It was the way that society operated.

0:27:030:27:07

Policemen didn't pull you aside and, you know...

0:27:070:27:10

They would just smack you round the head, you know?

0:27:100:27:13

It was just this kind of, you know, teachers would batter you

0:27:130:27:17

with lumps of wood, you know, and that's what life was like.

0:27:170:27:19

# I'm the school bully

0:27:190:27:23

# The classroom cheat

0:27:240:27:28

# The nastiest play friend you ever could meet... #

0:27:280:27:36

He asked John to write those difficult songs

0:27:360:27:42

those dark songs, because when Pete was younger

0:27:420:27:45

he had some bad...

0:27:450:27:47

sexual experiences and bullying experiences.

0:27:470:27:50

I didn't want to have to write those songs,

0:27:500:27:52

but I knew that they had to be in the story.

0:27:520:27:55

I knew that we had to deal with the reality

0:27:550:27:57

of what a boy like Tommy would go through.

0:27:570:28:01

As I tried to deal with it,

0:28:010:28:05

I would either go into kind of white-flash anxiety or rage...

0:28:050:28:12

And I tried a few times...

0:28:160:28:18

..but in the end I just kind of gave John a brief.

0:28:230:28:25

I just said, "Do you think you could crack this?" And he said, "Yep.

0:28:250:28:29

# I'm your wicked Uncle Ernie

0:28:380:28:40

# I'm glad you won't see or hear me as I fiddle about

0:28:400:28:44

# Fiddle about Fiddle about

0:28:440:28:46

# Your mother left me here to mind you

0:28:460:28:48

# Now I'm doing what I want to

0:28:480:28:50

# Fiddling about Fiddling about

0:28:500:28:52

Fiddle about

0:28:520:28:54

# Down with the bedclothes Up with your nightshirt

0:28:550:28:59

# Fiddle about... #

0:28:590:29:00

What's so extraordinary about those two songs

0:29:000:29:04

is that they're so powerful and they're so deeply felt

0:29:040:29:07

and they're so accurate that I wonder whether, like me

0:29:070:29:11

John had lots of friends who had stories to tell.

0:29:110:29:16

Child molestation is not discussed,

0:29:160:29:18

it's not generally a pop music theme, you know,

0:29:180:29:20

but it's one of the big, you know, successful themes of Tommy.

0:29:200:29:27

Pete was selling us and sharing with us his pain.

0:29:270:29:31

I mean, he had this part of when he was young,

0:29:310:29:34

of his mother and father not getting on,

0:29:340:29:37

and his mother was a singer and stuff,

0:29:370:29:39

and they left him for a time with his grandmother, this Denny,

0:29:390:29:43

who was a little bit strange.

0:29:430:29:46

My experience of abuse as a child is something which

0:29:460:29:50

I don't fully recall.

0:29:500:29:52

I get the sense that there's something that has happened

0:29:520:29:54

to me as a child, something that is erotic or sexual,

0:29:540:29:59

or disturbing or dark, or something in nature

0:29:590:30:02

because of dreams that I've had and memories that I have.

0:30:020:30:05

But I was very, very young, you know,

0:30:050:30:10

I was between the ages of 4 and 5? when I was

0:30:100:30:13

with my grandmother, and I just know that some weird shit went down

0:30:130:30:16

# Fiddle... #

0:30:160:30:20

# Your child ain't all he should be now

0:30:280:30:32

# This girl could put him right

0:30:320:30:36

# I'll show him what he could be now

0:30:370:30:41

# Just give me one night

0:30:410:30:45

# I'm the gypsy The Acid Queen

0:30:470:30:51

# Pay before we start... #

0:30:510:30:54

I go to a very strange place when I sing it.

0:30:560:30:59

It's like, "Can you give me permission to sing this song?

0:30:590:31:01

"I'm going to sing it like a woman who's going to rape a child in order

0:31:010:31:05

"to make it better."

0:31:050:31:06

I'm 68 years old, there's not much analysis for me.

0:31:060:31:10

I've got a pretty picture of what kind of person my mum was.

0:31:100:31:13

I love her, I love the memory of her, but I also know

0:31:130:31:16

that she was a complete halfwit in many respects, you know.

0:31:160:31:20

And she abnegated a lot of her duty to me as a young mum,

0:31:210:31:24

and when I sing the Acid Queen

0:31:240:31:26

there's a bit of my mother's voice comes in there.

0:31:260:31:29

I'm kind of... I'm kind of angry with my mother.

0:31:290:31:31

I'm angry with all women who are mothers.

0:31:310:31:34

It's a misogynist song in a way you know,

0:31:340:31:37

and I can sing it as a woman and...

0:31:370:31:40

"If your boy ain't all he should be now, this girl can put him right."

0:31:420:31:46

There's a sense of "oh, how arrogant you are."

0:31:460:31:49

# Give us a room Close the door

0:31:490:31:53

# Leave us for a while

0:31:530:31:56

# Your boy won't be a boy no more

0:31:560:32:00

# Young but not a child... #

0:32:010:32:04

What The Acid Queen represents to me is that female force.

0:32:060:32:10

It's a fairytale figure, you know?

0:32:100:32:13

It's the wicked queen, it's the wicked witch,

0:32:130:32:16

and yet, in Grimm's Fairy Tale language, it's a very erotic figure.

0:32:160:32:20

It's erotic, powerful, manipulative, fixing figure.

0:32:200:32:25

"I can fix you. Come in, young man, I'll show you the future."

0:32:250:32:30

And what a great power for a woman to have over a young man...

0:32:310:32:35

..the power to give him his first real orgasm.

0:32:360:32:39

# My work is done now Look at him

0:32:410:32:43

# He's never been more alive

0:32:430:32:47

# His hand, it shakes His fingers clutch

0:32:480:32:51

# Watch his body writhe

0:32:520:32:55

# I'm the gypsy The Acid Queen

0:32:570:33:01

# Pay before we start

0:33:010:33:04

# The gypsy

0:33:040:33:06

# I'm guaranteed to break your little heart... #

0:33:060:33:11

Kit Lambert had got me tape-machines

0:33:130:33:15

very, very early in my writing career in 1964, so I'd been

0:33:150:33:19

working on tape, and by the time I started to work on Tommy

0:33:190:33:22

I had a fully-fledged recording studio in my house at home.

0:33:220:33:25

I loved it.

0:33:250:33:27

And he would come in with a new demo and we'd write,

0:33:270:33:30

and then we'd build up from a very simple demo...

0:33:300:33:34

And slowly, but surely, the story pieced itself together

0:33:340:33:39

in some kind of sense.

0:33:390:33:41

# Ever since I was a young boy I played the silver ball

0:33:490:33:53

# From Soho down to Brighton I must have played them all

0:33:530:33:56

# But I ain't seen nothing like him in any amusement hall

0:33:560:34:00

# That deaf, dumb and blind kid sure plays a mean pinball... #

0:34:000:34:06

Before Pinball Wizard, Tommy was a kind of rock star.

0:34:090:34:13

I saw him as, I suppose, a guitar-playing rock star,

0:34:130:34:18

cos Tommy was about music.

0:34:180:34:19

It was about a young man who is deaf, dumb and blind,

0:34:190:34:23

but can hear music through vibrations,

0:34:230:34:26

so he can feel stuff, so he can feel music.

0:34:260:34:30

They wanted some feedback on how it was going

0:34:300:34:33

and the album they were making and Kit Lambert knew Nik Cohn,

0:34:330:34:40

who was the writer on the Guardian, and he was a rock critic, and

0:34:400:34:44

they brought him in and he listened to their...what they'd got so far.

0:34:440:34:49

I said, "What do you think?"

0:34:490:34:51

"And he said, "It's... It's wonderful. It's really wonderful.

0:34:510:34:55

"Wonderful music. I love it.

0:34:550:34:57

"But...it's a pity it's about a guru."

0:34:570:35:02

And I said, "Well, it's not really about a guru.

0:35:020:35:05

"No, it's not a guru. He's not a guru.

0:35:050:35:07

"He's somebody who can feel vibrations and music and through,

0:35:070:35:14

"you know... And it turns into a kind of a spiritual language

0:35:140:35:19

"that he understands and that other people around him can see."

0:35:190:35:23

And he kind of goes, "I think that's even worse than a guru.

0:35:230:35:28

He used a wonderful expression he said, "It's a bit po-faced.

0:35:280:35:31

"And it's a bit heavy, religious and... But I'll give it four stars.

0:35:310:35:33

"It's GOOD, you know, but it's not..." And that wasn't good enough.

0:35:330:35:36

I knew him and we used to play pinball together quite a bit,

0:35:360:35:40

and he'd written a book called Arfur - with an F - Pinball Queen,

0:35:400:35:44

and I'd met this kid who he'd based the story on,

0:35:440:35:47

played pinball with her,

0:35:470:35:49

and we used to go out and play pinball in Soho together.

0:35:490:35:52

And Pete said she beat him every single time.

0:35:520:35:55

And so I said, "What about if, instead of him being, like,

0:35:590:36:03

"a, you know, a phenomena, musically-speaking,

0:36:030:36:07

"he's a pinball champion?"

0:36:070:36:09

thinking I was kind of like, lowering the, you know, the...

0:36:090:36:13

And you know, "He plays pinball He can play pinball.

0:36:130:36:16

"He's deaf, dumb and blind,

0:36:160:36:18

"but through vibrations he can play pinball."

0:36:180:36:20

I said, "Would you give it a good review if he was a pinball star "

0:36:200:36:25

And Nik Cohn said something like,

0:36:250:36:28

"Ah, yes, I think I would give that a five-star review...

0:36:280:36:32

"with an extra ball."

0:36:320:36:34

So I rushed home that night and wrote Pinball Wizard.

0:36:350:36:40

# Ever since I was a young boy I played the silver ball

0:36:570:37:00

# From Soho down to Brighton I must have played them all

0:37:000:37:04

# But I've never seen anything like him in any amusement hall

0:37:040:37:08

# That deaf, dumb and blind kid sure plays a mean pinball... #

0:37:080:37:15

Pinball Wizard is a crucial song.

0:37:150:37:17

It's actually the whole thing in a nutshell,

0:37:170:37:20

and it's incredibly powerful.

0:37:200:37:22

The first time I heard it, I was literally blown backwards

0:37:220:37:26

it was so powerful.

0:37:260:37:28

And I felt it was too sweet and, you know,

0:37:280:37:31

so if this is someone singing about Tommy,

0:37:310:37:33

it should have a bit more meat and potatoes...

0:37:330:37:36

..which is what I gave it.

0:37:370:37:39

# He stands like a statue Becomes part of the machine

0:37:390:37:42

# Feeling all the bumpers Always playing clean

0:37:420:37:46

# He plays by intuition The digit counters fall

0:37:460:37:50

# That deaf, dumb and blind kid sure plays a mean pinball

0:37:500:37:54

# He's a pinball wizard

0:38:020:38:04

# Had to be a twist

0:38:040:38:05

# A pinball wizard's Got such a supple wrist... #

0:38:050:38:10

I think that it was such a clever device, a perfect vehicle.

0:38:120:38:16

Nothing to do with words, just to do with feeling the flippers

0:38:160:38:19

and feeling the...

0:38:190:38:21

And feeling the ball and scoring a great score.

0:38:210:38:25

You don't need words for that.

0:38:250:38:27

What it did was inject this incredible silly, colourful,

0:38:270:38:31

daft notion into the whole thing which, in actual fact,

0:38:310:38:35

totally redeemed but also created a much better focus for my notion

0:38:350:38:40

that somebody who was deaf, dumb and blind could do something miraculous.

0:38:400:38:43

# He ain't got no distraction Can't hear no buzzing bells

0:38:430:38:47

# Don't see no lights a-flashin

0:38:470:38:49

# Plays by sense of smell

0:38:490:38:51

# Always gets a replay Never tilts at all

0:38:510:38:55

# That deaf, dumb and blind kid sure plays a mean pinball... #

0:38:550:39:00

Listening to the production on Pinball Wizard,

0:39:000:39:03

and it's absolutely genius, but it's a masterpiece.

0:39:030:39:06

# I thought I was the Bally table king

0:39:060:39:11

# But I just handed my pinball crown to him... #

0:39:110:39:16

Next day he brought it in, played it to everyone.

0:39:230:39:25

He thought, "Oh, God, I'm embarrassed by this."

0:39:250:39:28

I came in and I played it,

0:39:280:39:29

and the great thing about it was that it was obviously the hit.

0:39:290:39:33

And Damon Lyon-Shaw, the engineer, said,

0:39:330:39:35

"That'll be a number-one hit, you know."

0:39:350:39:37

And they all went, "This is great." And he went, "Oh, really?"

0:39:370:39:40

I think it got to number four.

0:39:410:39:44

HE LAUGHS

0:39:440:39:46

# That deaf, dumb and blind kid. . #

0:39:460:39:49

Nik, true to his word, gave the album a fantastic review.

0:39:490:39:52

With Tommy, it was the first time we used eight-track

0:40:030:40:07

and we didn't know what to do with them.

0:40:070:40:10

I've seen the multi-tracks from Tommy

0:40:100:40:13

and there's three tracks empty

0:40:130:40:15

Cos they'd insisted all the way that they wanted to be able

0:40:150:40:18

to play it on stage, cos there was all sorts of great ideas came up.

0:40:180:40:22

Kit Lambert had asked me to dance around the room

0:40:220:40:24

like a ballet dancer holding a microphone for an effect.

0:40:240:40:27

He was wonderful because he would just try everything.

0:40:270:40:30

He'd try the kitchen sink, he'd throw it all in.

0:40:300:40:33

He'd make terrible mistakes.

0:40:330:40:34

The next thing we knew, we'd be marching around the studio

0:40:340:40:37

playing trombones, you know?

0:40:370:40:39

Would I have changed him for someone more polished?

0:40:400:40:44

No, we wouldn't have been what we are today

0:40:440:40:46

without his early production.

0:40:460:40:48

It was quirky, it was cranky, and it wasn't like anybody else

0:40:480:40:52

In Damon Lyon-Shaw,

0:40:520:40:53

he did pick an absolutely excellent engineer who got fantastic sound

0:40:530:40:58

so, you know, he just left that kind of stuff to the engineer.

0:40:580:41:02

He interfered a bit, you know?

0:41:020:41:03

Damon Lyon-Shaw talks about the fact that Kit always wanted

0:41:030:41:07

the needles in the red,

0:41:070:41:08

and all they did was they turned down the bit behind the needles

0:41:080:41:11

so that the needles were always in the red,

0:41:110:41:13

but they were actually recording clean.

0:41:130:41:15

So, everybody got what they wanted.

0:41:150:41:17

The making of the record

0:41:170:41:19

and that period of our career was the most joyous time -

0:41:190:41:23

it was wonderful. And going to work a lot, working in the studio all day,

0:41:230:41:27

going out to do gigs at night what more could anybody have wanted?

0:41:270:41:31

Kit made recording fun, there's no question about it, it was great fun.

0:41:320:41:38

# There's a man I found who can bring us all joy

0:41:380:41:41

# There's a doctor I've found could cure the boy

0:41:410:41:44

# A doctor I've found... #

0:41:440:41:46

What's probably more important in the context...

0:41:460:41:49

and that these songs I DID manage to tackle, you know,

0:41:490:41:53

in the shape of the doctor's song "Go To The Mirror!"

0:41:530:41:58

was the complicity of parents and social workers,

0:41:580:42:03

and doctors and do-gooders,

0:42:030:42:06

in a sense, to try to get round the problems that this child might have.

0:42:060:42:12

# He seems to be completely unreceptive

0:42:120:42:15

# The tests I gave him show no sense at all

0:42:170:42:20

# His eyes react to light The dials detected

0:42:200:42:25

# He hears but cannot answer to your call... #

0:42:260:42:33

The reason why none of the other cures,

0:42:330:42:35

the quacky cures or even the, you know, the credible medical cure,

0:42:350:42:39

the reason why none of them work is that because...

0:42:390:42:43

What's actually happened, of course,

0:42:430:42:45

is that Tommy is not deaf, dumb and blind,

0:42:450:42:47

he's not even really autistic, you know?

0:42:470:42:50

What's actually happened is that he's been traumatised

0:42:500:42:55

and is in a kind of shutdown state.

0:42:550:42:57

# Tommy, can you hear me?

0:42:570:42:59

# Can you feel me near you?

0:43:010:43:04

# Tommy, can you see me?

0:43:050:43:07

# Can I help to cheer you? #

0:43:090:43:11

What cures him is that the mother smashes the mirror

0:43:110:43:15

that he's looking at himself in and breaks the spell.

0:43:150:43:19

# Do you hear or fear or Do I smash the mirror? #

0:43:190:43:23

GLASS SMASHES

0:43:270:43:29

And when she smashes the mirror he not only sees himself

0:43:300:43:34

for the first time in the trauma of that moment,

0:43:340:43:37

but he realises the power

0:43:370:43:39

of his mother's loving rage and frustration.

0:43:390:43:42

And that's kind of, in a sense what brings him to his senses.

0:43:420:43:45

And so then, "Da-dah! I'm free.

0:43:450:43:48

# I'm free

0:43:560:43:59

# I am free

0:43:590:44:03

# And freedom tastes of reality. . #

0:44:050:44:11

The whole thing is metaphorical of course.

0:44:130:44:18

It's about a coming of age, you know?

0:44:180:44:20

About the fact that each of us as young men,

0:44:200:44:23

that that happens to us at some point.

0:44:230:44:25

We break away from stuff that we've clung onto in our childhood

0:44:250:44:29

and we...

0:44:290:44:30

..assume our power as men, and that's what happens to Tommy.

0:44:310:44:37

It's a pivotal song. It's the pivotal song.

0:44:370:44:41

It's from hereon in that all the problems need to be solved. .

0:44:410:44:46

because you're back in the real world.

0:44:460:44:48

# I'm free

0:44:480:44:50

# I'm free... #

0:44:520:44:54

I think we probably discovered something about our sound in Tommy

0:44:540:44:58

when we played at the Ronnie Scott's Club.

0:44:580:45:00

And they decided to have a proper full-blown press launch.

0:45:000:45:03

They booked Ronnie Scott's Club

0:45:030:45:05

which, in itself, was a unique experiment,

0:45:050:45:07

to have a rock band playing at the famous London jazz venue

0:45:070:45:11

And it was very hostile. They said, "Well, I know people there

0:45:110:45:15

"and they said the press were drunk, and sort of shouting at them

0:45:150:45:18

"and leering at them."

0:45:180:45:19

And as we started to play, somebody shouted out

0:45:190:45:23

"Smash your guitar, you sick BLEEP!"

0:45:230:45:25

So, I think that's kind of where we were, you know,

0:45:280:45:31

and whoever said that was drunk on our free booze,

0:45:310:45:34

so we didn't really have many friends.

0:45:340:45:36

And so Pete said, "Right, let them have it."

0:45:360:45:38

I turned it up. I turned everything up.

0:45:380:45:40

We played with tremendous vigour and passion and vengeance,

0:45:400:45:45

and fear that it wouldn't work

0:45:450:45:47

And we played to absolute silence...

0:45:470:45:50

incredibly loudly,

0:45:500:45:52

but the ovation at the end kind of took us by surprise, I must admit.

0:45:520:45:57

That was... That was stunning.

0:45:570:46:00

The real change in The Who happened when they played it live,

0:46:000:46:05

not from the album.

0:46:050:46:07

That's when The Who sound really started to bed in.

0:46:070:46:10

# I'm free

0:46:100:46:12

# I'm free

0:46:130:46:16

# And I'm waiting for you to follow me... #

0:46:180:46:23

Several things happened to me at that time.

0:46:240:46:27

I was a Mod with curly hair, which was worse than having the pox.

0:46:270:46:30

And my wife said to me,

0:46:300:46:33

"Why are you straightening your hair? It's beautiful."

0:46:330:46:35

She said, "Just let it hang out "

0:46:350:46:38

And she, again, gave me the confidence to do it

0:46:380:46:41

So, I kind of gained a different physical persona.

0:46:410:46:45

# I'm free

0:46:450:46:47

# I'm free

0:46:490:46:51

# And I'm waiting for you to follow me... #

0:46:540:46:59

He was your archetypical rock star of the '70s,

0:47:010:47:03

with his fringed jacket and his long hair and his bare chest.

0:47:030:47:07

Roger was definitive in the role and no-one will ever sing Tommy

0:47:070:47:12

the way Roger, you know, Daltrey did and does.

0:47:120:47:17

The fact of suddenly realising "Oh, my God, we've got

0:47:170:47:23

"a rock god as a singer and not just an annoying fucker

0:47:230:47:27

"who disagrees with everything we say," you know?

0:47:270:47:32

It all added up to turning me into the kind of rock star

0:47:320:47:35

that I became. Previous to that I was just another pop singer.

0:47:350:47:39

Daltrey sort of became the kind of visual expression of Tommy.

0:47:390:47:44

The audience was watching Roger singing Tommy as Tommy -

0:47:440:47:48

it was totally different.

0:47:480:47:50

# And I'm waiting for you to follow me... #

0:47:500:47:56

Roger just became this figure who was at the centre of things. .

0:47:580:48:03

and it changed everything.

0:48:030:48:05

# How can we follow? How can we follow? #

0:48:070:48:12

What we have to accept is that what he's got a following for

0:48:120:48:16

is pretty bloody stupid.

0:48:160:48:17

You know, he's got a following again, it's metaphorical.

0:48:170:48:21

If he's a pinball champion, it's just about as credible

0:48:210:48:25

and valid as somebody, you know having a huge following

0:48:250:48:30

for writing songs about boys that wank over pictures

0:48:300:48:35

and smashing guitars.

0:48:350:48:37

So, you know, it was quite close to home.

0:48:370:48:40

This is about pop culture,

0:48:400:48:42

and the people around him, his pinball fans, see this

0:48:420:48:46

and they kind of go, "Wow, you know, you were deaf, dumb and blind and

0:48:460:48:50

"now you're OK and you can see, and you have this incredible freedom."

0:48:500:48:55

That's what his fans respond to

0:48:550:48:57

and they kind of go, "We want what you've got."

0:48:570:49:00

He has all these followers and they're basically in a holiday camp.

0:49:000:49:04

# Good morning, campers

0:49:090:49:10

# I'm your uncle Ernie and I welcome you to Tommy's holiday camp

0:49:100:49:15

# The camp with a difference Never mind the weather

0:49:180:49:21

# When you come to Tommy's The holiday's forever... #

0:49:210:49:24

The wonderful thing about The Who, of course,

0:49:280:49:31

was that what was a fairly po-faced idea to begin with

0:49:310:49:34

and probably far too...

0:49:340:49:35

..far too serious, really, to have worked for a rock band

0:49:370:49:41

was that, as we worked through it,

0:49:410:49:42

it got lighter and lighter and lighter.

0:49:420:49:44

Keith Moon came up with the idea that, instead of Tommy opening up

0:49:440:49:47

his home for hundreds and hundreds of people,

0:49:470:49:51

that it would be a holiday camp

0:49:510:49:52

# The camp with a difference Never mind the weather

0:49:520:49:55

# When you come to Tommy's The holiday's forever... #

0:49:550:49:59

So it was lighter and funnier and more delightful.

0:50:020:50:05

Tommy finally turns to the people around him

0:50:090:50:12

and says, "Listen, this is really simple.

0:50:120:50:14

# Welcome... #

0:50:140:50:16

You know, "If you really want what I've got,

0:50:160:50:18

"if you want what you THINK I've got, then maybe you should just live

0:50:180:50:22

"the kind of experience that I lived.

0:50:220:50:25

"Pretend to be deaf, dumb and blind, you know,

0:50:250:50:28

"witness a few murders, you know, do what I did.

0:50:280:50:33

"Do as I do and you will end up where I am.

0:50:330:50:36

# Welcome to the camp I guess you all know why we're here

0:50:360:50:41

# My name is Tommy and I became aware this year

0:50:430:50:49

# If you want to follow me You've got to play pinball

0:50:510:50:56

# And put in your earplugs

0:50:580:50:59

# Put on your eye shades

0:50:590:51:01

# You know where to put the cork .. #

0:51:010:51:04

Woodstock was the thing that changed The Who.

0:51:050:51:08

There was something about the gathering of Woodstock

0:51:080:51:12

and the message of Tommy.

0:51:120:51:14

They all put it into this marvellous kind of birth, really,

0:51:140:51:18

of The Who and Tommy in America

0:51:180:51:20

and it made them legends, really, that performance.

0:51:200:51:24

It broke The Who definitely in America.

0:51:240:51:27

I mean, that's when they really became an iconic band.

0:51:270:51:31

If you look at our gig book, we're at 2,000- or 3,000-seaters,

0:51:310:51:34

but it went from that to 120,00O overnight. It was ridiculous.

0:51:340:51:41

It was crazy.

0:51:410:51:42

# We're not gonna take it

0:51:420:51:44

# We're not gonna take it... #

0:51:460:51:47

Suddenly there was money and everything, you know, fame

0:51:490:51:53

and it elevated them completely

0:51:530:51:55

And then that period of my life

0:51:550:51:57

that was a bit difficult to deal with.

0:51:570:51:59

One of the things that I probably knew was that

0:51:590:52:01

if it was as successful as I felt it might be,

0:52:010:52:04

it would challenge the life that my wife and I hoped for.

0:52:040:52:10

It would challenge the life that we were trying to create around us,

0:52:100:52:14

which was a very loving, normal English life.

0:52:140:52:19

And it was very difficult to do that in a band like The Who.

0:52:210:52:26

Nothing became real.

0:52:260:52:28

No-one was... People started treating you...

0:52:280:52:30

It's not you that changes,

0:52:300:52:32

it's the people around you - everybody, you know,

0:52:320:52:34

everyone treats you differently So you go, "What's going on?

0:52:340:52:37

"Cos I haven't changed, I'm still me."

0:52:370:52:40

# We're not gonna take it

0:52:430:52:48

# We're not gonna take it

0:52:490:52:52

# We're not gonna take it

0:52:530:52:55

# We're not gonna take it

0:52:570:53:00

# Never did and never will... #

0:53:000:53:03

I think it's a human thing.

0:53:030:53:05

It's something that people do,

0:53:050:53:07

building our celebrities up and then knocking them down.

0:53:070:53:10

What society does is it takes what the charismatic

0:53:100:53:13

figure in society can give us, and then runs with it and takes it away.

0:53:130:53:18

And this takes the form of a kind of a rebellion,

0:53:190:53:22

and this is what happens to Tommy.

0:53:220:53:23

# See me

0:53:230:53:25

# Feel me... #

0:53:280:53:30

I started my journey as a fan, my journey as somebody who was

0:53:330:53:39

looking to music and celebrity and glamour...

0:53:390:53:44

..for something.

0:53:460:53:48

Where DO you find the answers and how DO you grapple with them?

0:53:480:53:51

And what do you want from artists or gurus or spiritual leaders?

0:53:510:53:57

You know, how much do you need to do yourself?

0:53:570:54:00

Pretty much every great spiritual leader in the history of humankind

0:54:000:54:05

has said, "You know, at the end of the day look within your own heart."

0:54:050:54:09

"The master gravely shook his head

0:54:090:54:12

"and I knew that despite his infinite wisdom, infinite power

0:54:120:54:16

"infinite awareness, that he WOULD not, COULD not tell me where

0:54:160:54:20

"to look or even what to look for. I had to find the answer myself "

0:54:200:54:26

# Listening to you

0:54:260:54:27

# I get the music

0:54:270:54:30

# Gazing at you

0:54:300:54:32

# I get the heat-heat

0:54:320:54:34

# Following you

0:54:340:54:36

# I climb the mountain

0:54:360:54:38

# I get excitement at your feet. . #

0:54:380:54:42

Everybody!

0:54:420:54:43

The prayer at the end is two-fold -

0:54:450:54:47

one, we hear Tommy remembering

0:54:470:54:50

"See me, feel me, touch me, heal me,"

0:54:500:54:53

and then going back on his flight,

0:54:530:54:55

"Listening to you, I get the music,"

0:54:550:54:57

turning towards the universe and praising her.

0:54:570:55:00

But, also, I get the sense, too ..

0:55:000:55:04

..that this is the audience, as well.

0:55:050:55:07

They're also singing "See me, feel me, touch me, heal me."

0:55:070:55:10

They're also connecting with what it is

0:55:100:55:13

that is the real fact of the matter.

0:55:130:55:16

They are a collection of individuals,

0:55:160:55:18

and each individual has to live his own life.

0:55:180:55:21

And each individual has a relationship with the universe.

0:55:220:55:26

And so the end of Tommy is about that, you know?

0:55:260:55:29

And I think, without having read what Meher Baba said -

0:55:290:55:33

you know, you have to lose yourself in order to find God,

0:55:330:55:36

and you have to lose yourself in order to find your true self -

0:55:360:55:39

I don't think I could have hit on it.

0:55:390:55:41

You could never wish for a better ending to an album

0:55:410:55:44

And it's about you -

0:55:440:55:46

and you, as a listener,

0:55:460:55:49

feel engaged and touched and moved.

0:55:490:55:52

And I think that's what Tommy did for The Who more than anything

0:55:520:55:57

It picked our audience up from being...

0:55:570:55:59

...a pop band-loving audience,

0:56:010:56:05

and moved them into being,

0:56:050:56:07

"wow, this is more than that, there's something else going on here."

0:56:070:56:12

# Listening to you

0:56:130:56:15

# I get the music

0:56:150:56:17

# Gazing at you

0:56:170:56:19

# I get the heat-heat

0:56:190:56:21

# Following you... #

0:56:210:56:22

We always had an idea that Tommy was going to mean something.

0:56:240:56:27

You know, we liked the album

0:56:270:56:29

and we knew it was going to be...kind of important.

0:56:290:56:33

People can find more and more meanings in it,

0:56:330:56:36

and more and more levels of stuff

0:56:360:56:37

as they hear it again and again and again.

0:56:370:56:39

You listen to Tommy now and it moves you,

0:56:390:56:41

and it moves you because the things he's writing about

0:56:410:56:44

are absolutely eternal.

0:56:440:56:47

He was, without question, a pioneer,

0:56:470:56:51

and I would say this is a quintessentially important creation.

0:56:510:56:56

There was a feeling that it was actually something that would last.

0:56:560:56:59

It's true, I think we had shifted.

0:56:590:57:01

At that point, the centre of gravity had moved from popular culture

0:57:010:57:05

from something that was just throw-away

0:57:050:57:07

to something that really started to mean something and had purpose.

0:57:070:57:12

The pre-Tommy Who, the '60s Who

0:57:120:57:15

were a great gimmicky, clever, intelligent pop band.

0:57:150:57:20

Post-Tommy, The Who were heavy, serious rock,

0:57:200:57:26

up there amongst the top three

0:57:260:57:28

Afterwards, for a period, probably the top rock band in the world

0:57:280:57:31

Pete's music will be performed as the new classical music,

0:57:310:57:35

cos it's, in some ways, classically structured,

0:57:350:57:39

and, lyric-wise and emotional-wise,

0:57:390:57:41

they're timeless, and they always will be.

0:57:410:57:44

It does appear to be the only topic of conversation

0:57:510:57:55

that we've had for the past three years, erm..

0:57:550:57:59

so I'm fed up with talking about it,

0:57:590:58:02

I'm certainly not fed up with playing it.

0:58:020:58:04

As Bob Dylan so eloquently said when he came to see Tommy

0:58:040:58:07

for the first time at the Filmore,

0:58:070:58:10

"I've got another appointment.

0:58:100:58:12

But Leonard Bernstein got me by the shoulders

0:58:170:58:19

and said, "Do you realise what you've done?!"

0:58:190:58:22

So, somewhere along the line, I don't know.

0:58:250:58:28

# You feel me coming

0:58:290:58:31

# A new vibration

0:58:320:58:34

# From afar you'll see me

0:58:360:58:38

# I'm a sensation, I'm a sensation

0:58:390:58:46

# They worship me and all I touch

0:58:470:58:51

# Hazy-eyed, they catch my glance... #

0:58:510:58:55

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