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This programme contains some strong language. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:05 | |
Who are The Who? The Who are The Who, that's who they are. | 0:00:05 | 0:00:07 | |
A rock group, veterans of Woodstock, | 0:00:07 | 0:00:09 | |
and now they're authors and performers in a rock opera | 0:00:09 | 0:00:11 | |
Pete knew that he'd got to write something more substantial | 0:00:11 | 0:00:14 | |
and he'd always had this thing about writing a rock opera. | 0:00:14 | 0:00:17 | |
# Ever since I was a young boy I played the silver ball... # | 0:00:17 | 0:00:21 | |
I felt... the band, and myself as a composer, | 0:00:21 | 0:00:25 | |
deserved one big last splurge. | 0:00:25 | 0:00:28 | |
If that album hadn't made it, the band would have disbanded. | 0:00:28 | 0:00:31 | |
# Sure plays a mean pinball... # | 0:00:31 | 0:00:35 | |
Tommy is one of the most important albums ever made, and was | 0:00:35 | 0:00:40 | |
Pete sitting with his guitar, trying to make sense of the universe. | 0:00:40 | 0:00:44 | |
# Tommy, can you hear me? | 0:00:44 | 0:00:46 | |
# Can you feel me near you? # | 0:00:48 | 0:00:51 | |
When we played it live it changed me completely. | 0:00:51 | 0:00:53 | |
I just grabbed it by the scruff of the neck and said, | 0:00:53 | 0:00:55 | |
"Right, let's make this person live." | 0:00:55 | 0:00:57 | |
# I'm free | 0:00:57 | 0:01:00 | |
I'm free... # | 0:01:00 | 0:01:04 | |
I'm fed up with talking about it I'm certainly not fed up with playing it. | 0:01:04 | 0:01:07 | |
We always had an idea that Tommy was going to mean something. | 0:01:07 | 0:01:10 | |
It was a series of great hit singles, it's a great concept album, | 0:01:10 | 0:01:15 | |
it's a rock opera, it's a great concert vehicle for The Who. | 0:01:15 | 0:01:18 | |
# Listening to you... # | 0:01:18 | 0:01:22 | |
I just knew we were good. | 0:01:22 | 0:01:23 | |
I didn't quite know how or why or what, but I knew we were good. | 0:01:23 | 0:01:26 | |
The reviews they got were overwhelming, | 0:01:28 | 0:01:30 | |
and so they'd suddenly arrived and Tommy changed everything. | 0:01:30 | 0:01:34 | |
Tommy was the first time that we really tackled | 0:01:39 | 0:01:43 | |
the idea of doing an album as a piece of art. | 0:01:43 | 0:01:46 | |
It was meant, in a sense, to hold a mirror, you know, | 0:01:46 | 0:01:49 | |
to what we were doing at the time and what was happening to us. | 0:01:49 | 0:01:52 | |
And when you look at sort of what was happening, | 0:01:52 | 0:01:55 | |
it then starts to really take on extra resonance. | 0:01:55 | 0:01:58 | |
By '68, they seemed to be running out of steam. | 0:02:02 | 0:02:06 | |
They were in trouble, really. | 0:02:06 | 0:02:07 | |
We were afraid that we were losing our touch. | 0:02:07 | 0:02:10 | |
We'd had a series of successful hit singles, you know, | 0:02:10 | 0:02:14 | |
from I Can't Explain, Anyway, Anyhow, Anywhere, | 0:02:14 | 0:02:17 | |
My Generation, Pictures of Lily, I'm a Boy. | 0:02:17 | 0:02:20 | |
We were a singles band going nowhere, | 0:02:22 | 0:02:25 | |
and occasionally we might come up with a hit single now and again | 0:02:25 | 0:02:28 | |
but on stage we had grown immensely. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:30 | |
# I can see for miles and miles and miles and miles and miles... # | 0:02:30 | 0:02:41 | |
They were the group that took the power of rock'n'roll | 0:02:41 | 0:02:44 | |
most seriously. I love the early Who singles. | 0:02:44 | 0:02:47 | |
I think, you know, to me | 0:02:47 | 0:02:48 | |
maybe the greatest rock'n'roll record of all time is I Can See For Miles. | 0:02:48 | 0:02:52 | |
I Can See For Miles, which should have been number one, | 0:02:53 | 0:02:56 | |
there's no question about it - | 0:02:56 | 0:02:57 | |
it's a masterpiece as a pop song of our genre - and it didn't do that. | 0:02:57 | 0:03:02 | |
I think Pete thought we were running out of steam, | 0:03:02 | 0:03:05 | |
but then I always believed in the chemistry of the band. | 0:03:05 | 0:03:09 | |
There's something about the mathematics of Who music, within it, | 0:03:09 | 0:03:12 | |
that knitted it together, and it had an incredible strength. | 0:03:12 | 0:03:15 | |
# Talking about my generation | 0:03:15 | 0:03:18 | |
# Talking about my generation | 0:03:19 | 0:03:22 | |
# Talking about my generation | 0:03:25 | 0:03:27 | |
# Talking about my ge-ge-ge... | 0:03:27 | 0:03:29 | |
# Talking about my generation | 0:03:29 | 0:03:32 | |
# My generation This is my generation, baby... # | 0:03:32 | 0:03:36 | |
They were just a great live band and that sense of, you know, you just | 0:03:36 | 0:03:44 | |
had this feeling like, you know at any moment they could just levitate. | 0:03:44 | 0:03:48 | |
GUITARS SCREECH | 0:03:48 | 0:03:52 | |
It's an image that remains in my mind about the energy | 0:03:52 | 0:03:56 | |
and danger that he had in his performance. | 0:03:56 | 0:03:59 | |
Pete was playing and was bleeding from his hand | 0:03:59 | 0:04:02 | |
DISTORTED GUITARS | 0:04:02 | 0:04:06 | |
# My generation... # | 0:04:06 | 0:04:09 | |
The Who had this enormous image set for them in stone, really, | 0:04:11 | 0:04:14 | |
by My Generation | 0:04:14 | 0:04:16 | |
and the Mod connection and smashing up equipment, | 0:04:16 | 0:04:19 | |
and so they wanted to destroy that image | 0:04:19 | 0:04:21 | |
and prove that they could do something of real importance and value. | 0:04:21 | 0:04:25 | |
And we were writing more | 0:04:25 | 0:04:26 | |
and more stuff that didn't fit in with the singles market. | 0:04:26 | 0:04:29 | |
The shortcoming was mine. I wasn't coming up with the singles. | 0:04:29 | 0:04:33 | |
And I knew that I couldn't do better than I Can See For Miles, | 0:04:34 | 0:04:37 | |
and I was kind of groping, in a sense, to find | 0:04:37 | 0:04:39 | |
something that would work for the band at this time. | 0:04:39 | 0:04:42 | |
He knew that he'd got to write something more substantial | 0:04:42 | 0:04:45 | |
and he'd always had this thing about writing a rock opera. | 0:04:45 | 0:04:48 | |
Pete obviously wrote the songs | 0:04:48 | 0:04:50 | |
but it was huge, huge input from Kit Lambert. | 0:04:50 | 0:04:53 | |
And, you know, Kit was always pushing Pete to write deeper, | 0:04:54 | 0:05:01 | |
write for a bigger stage. | 0:05:01 | 0:05:03 | |
There is more valid, new creative music being made at the pop end | 0:05:03 | 0:05:08 | |
I don't see any good classical composers emerging at the moment. | 0:05:08 | 0:05:12 | |
I certainly haven't heard a decent new symphony | 0:05:12 | 0:05:15 | |
or a decent new opera in the last 18 months. | 0:05:15 | 0:05:18 | |
And I think opera, as we know now, is absolutely defunct. | 0:05:18 | 0:05:20 | |
One needs a completely fresh approach, | 0:05:20 | 0:05:22 | |
and I think pop's going to provide it. | 0:05:22 | 0:05:24 | |
There were other attempts to do similar kind of things, | 0:05:24 | 0:05:28 | |
although nobody took much notice of them at the time, | 0:05:28 | 0:05:31 | |
it has to be said. There was Mark Wirtz's Teenage Opera, which was | 0:05:31 | 0:05:35 | |
a single, but was actually intended to become a full-blown opera. | 0:05:35 | 0:05:40 | |
And then The Pretty Things had been working on something | 0:05:40 | 0:05:43 | |
called SF Sorrow, which was a concept album, | 0:05:43 | 0:05:45 | |
and they later claimed that this was the first rock opera. | 0:05:45 | 0:05:49 | |
I felt we were first anyway because we'd done, you know, | 0:05:49 | 0:05:52 | |
two operas, we'd done... It's just that they didn't look like that | 0:05:52 | 0:05:56 | |
It's a group of numbers off our LP written by Pete - | 0:05:56 | 0:06:00 | |
it was part of an opera he wrote. | 0:06:00 | 0:06:02 | |
It's a bit shorter than it was supposed to be. | 0:06:02 | 0:06:06 | |
It's one called A Quick One. | 0:06:06 | 0:06:08 | |
It was a piece that ran about 11 minutes long that really | 0:06:08 | 0:06:14 | |
showed the potential of the band. | 0:06:14 | 0:06:16 | |
The Who told stories. | 0:06:16 | 0:06:18 | |
You know, there was a narrative arc in all of those songs, | 0:06:18 | 0:06:21 | |
however short. | 0:06:21 | 0:06:22 | |
Cos what A Quick One While He's Away was, I think, | 0:06:22 | 0:06:27 | |
five or six songs which I was working on, this story about child abuse. | 0:06:27 | 0:06:33 | |
Mainly it was a story about evacuees, | 0:06:33 | 0:06:35 | |
because when these kids came home and they told their parents | 0:06:35 | 0:06:39 | |
about the fact that they'd had a terrible time, | 0:06:39 | 0:06:41 | |
their parents said, "Listen, shut up. | 0:06:41 | 0:06:43 | |
"You're alive, you're lucky, you know, | 0:06:43 | 0:06:45 | |
"you weren't blown to bits in the Blitz. Just keep your mouth shut." | 0:06:45 | 0:06:49 | |
So everybody went into, you know, huge denial. | 0:06:49 | 0:06:52 | |
I'm on the stage and we get to the end - "you are forgiven". | 0:06:58 | 0:07:00 | |
This is at the end of A Quick One, I went, "You are forgiven. | 0:07:00 | 0:07:03 | |
"You are forgiven. You are forgiven. | 0:07:03 | 0:07:05 | |
"Forgiven, forgiven, forgiven, forgiven, forgiven, FORGIVEN!" | 0:07:05 | 0:07:11 | |
You know. This incredible... | 0:07:11 | 0:07:13 | |
When, of course, no forgiveness there at all. | 0:07:13 | 0:07:16 | |
And then finally... | 0:07:16 | 0:07:17 | |
# We're all forgiven... # | 0:07:19 | 0:07:22 | |
But we'd also done another one called Rael, which was... | 0:07:22 | 0:07:26 | |
you know, a full-length, two-hour epic opera | 0:07:26 | 0:07:30 | |
squeezed down to seven minutes | 0:07:30 | 0:07:32 | |
# He's crazy if he thinks we're coming back again | 0:07:38 | 0:07:43 | |
# He's crazy if he thinks we're coming back again... # | 0:07:45 | 0:07:50 | |
I felt I was in a climate where everybody was going to be | 0:07:52 | 0:07:55 | |
doing this kind of thing. | 0:07:55 | 0:07:56 | |
Cos it was on an extraordinary period, that psychedelic period | 0:07:56 | 0:07:59 | |
of... | 0:07:59 | 0:08:01 | |
Because people were opening up their minds with psychedelic drugs. | 0:08:01 | 0:08:04 | |
New attitudes and the whole love movement, | 0:08:04 | 0:08:06 | |
and a sort of philosophical kind of revolution took place very quickly. | 0:08:06 | 0:08:10 | |
And people were searching for their own kind of answers. | 0:08:10 | 0:08:14 | |
The Who weren't, you know, immune to all of that. | 0:08:14 | 0:08:17 | |
I mean, in their own way, | 0:08:17 | 0:08:19 | |
like Townshend himself was very interested in philosophy | 0:08:19 | 0:08:22 | |
and all kinds of mysticism, in a sense, | 0:08:22 | 0:08:24 | |
and experimentation with drugs wasn't unknown to The Who. | 0:08:24 | 0:08:27 | |
Pete had had that LSD bad trip he took | 0:08:27 | 0:08:33 | |
when coming back from the States. | 0:08:33 | 0:08:35 | |
It was the most extraordinary drug experience | 0:08:35 | 0:08:38 | |
that I've ever been through. | 0:08:38 | 0:08:39 | |
It was just absolutely bizarre like Alice In Wonderland, | 0:08:39 | 0:08:44 | |
like extreme mental illness. | 0:08:44 | 0:08:47 | |
Nothing good about it at all, but so disturbing that I left my body | 0:08:47 | 0:08:52 | |
and I floated up on the ceiling of the aircraft | 0:08:52 | 0:08:56 | |
looking down at myself, and I'm sitting there and I'm unconscious. | 0:08:56 | 0:08:59 | |
It's extremely disturbing | 0:08:59 | 0:09:01 | |
and I'm very, very frightened I'm going to die. | 0:09:01 | 0:09:03 | |
And when I get home, I kind of think about this and I think, | 0:09:03 | 0:09:07 | |
"I left my body. | 0:09:07 | 0:09:08 | |
"I just left my body, so I know that I am not my fucking body. | 0:09:10 | 0:09:14 | |
And it shook him up, and from then on | 0:09:14 | 0:09:17 | |
he gave up psychedelic drugs and got very anti-psychedelic drugs. | 0:09:17 | 0:09:21 | |
There was that sense that we needed an alternative to this | 0:09:21 | 0:09:25 | |
extraordinary colourful world that we discovered in hallucinogenics. | 0:09:25 | 0:09:29 | |
At that point everybody, it seemed like, you know, | 0:09:29 | 0:09:32 | |
was exploring some or one or another aspect of, you know, | 0:09:32 | 0:09:36 | |
kind of a spiritual development | 0:09:36 | 0:09:39 | |
You're looking for some answers | 0:09:39 | 0:09:41 | |
You're looking for some ways of living. | 0:09:41 | 0:09:42 | |
You're looking for something that's going to bring you | 0:09:42 | 0:09:46 | |
some peace of some kind, and I think Meher Baba offered that. | 0:09:46 | 0:09:51 | |
When Mike McInnerney introduced Meher Baba to Pete, | 0:09:51 | 0:09:55 | |
I think he gave him a book. | 0:09:55 | 0:09:57 | |
It was called The God-Man by an eminent British journalist | 0:09:57 | 0:10:02 | |
called CB Purdom, and I kind of immediately warmed | 0:10:02 | 0:10:06 | |
to the way he looked in the photo, | 0:10:06 | 0:10:08 | |
but what really struck me is as soon as I started | 0:10:08 | 0:10:12 | |
to open the book up, I started to read things, I felt that I'd found | 0:10:12 | 0:10:18 | |
answers to so many of the questions that were rolling round in my head. | 0:10:18 | 0:10:21 | |
And the really, really simple thing is - | 0:10:21 | 0:10:23 | |
and it's really not complicated - was that he asked you to love him. | 0:10:23 | 0:10:26 | |
It was the simple stuff | 0:10:26 | 0:10:28 | |
that I liked. It was "don't worry, be happy. | 0:10:28 | 0:10:30 | |
"Do your best, leave the results to God." | 0:10:30 | 0:10:33 | |
You know what you should do, basically, | 0:10:33 | 0:10:34 | |
that's why I think he didn't speak. | 0:10:34 | 0:10:36 | |
He took a vow of silence in 192 or something, | 0:10:36 | 0:10:38 | |
and I think he didn't speak because he said it had all been said, | 0:10:38 | 0:10:42 | |
do you know what I mean? | 0:10:42 | 0:10:43 | |
There's no point giving more messages, it's all there. | 0:10:43 | 0:10:46 | |
You can't describe the kind of the discovery, | 0:10:46 | 0:10:49 | |
the feeling you get when you feel the presence of someone like | 0:10:49 | 0:10:54 | |
Meher Baba on Earth, on this planet, at this time, in this universe | 0:10:54 | 0:10:58 | |
It changed him completely. He was absolutely fired up by it. | 0:10:58 | 0:11:02 | |
He was absolutely... | 0:11:02 | 0:11:04 | |
I mean, it was the most profound change he'd ever had in his life. | 0:11:04 | 0:11:08 | |
You impede your own spiritual progress by doing things | 0:11:08 | 0:11:13 | |
which are against the grain physically, | 0:11:13 | 0:11:19 | |
by self-indulgence, by indulging in lust, by indulging in greed | 0:11:19 | 0:11:24 | |
And we just had to stop fucking around, you know. | 0:11:24 | 0:11:27 | |
We had to stop taking acid, | 0:11:27 | 0:11:28 | |
stop pretending that we could have sex | 0:11:28 | 0:11:30 | |
with whoever we wanted to have sex with | 0:11:30 | 0:11:32 | |
and just get serious about life | 0:11:32 | 0:11:34 | |
Let your own intuition guide you. | 0:11:34 | 0:11:38 | |
Like, when you're writing a song or something, | 0:11:38 | 0:11:40 | |
just write it with the best intentions - probably to entertain | 0:11:40 | 0:11:45 | |
and to please people - | 0:11:45 | 0:11:46 | |
and via doing that, you might create a spark in them. | 0:11:46 | 0:11:49 | |
When I did discover Meher Baba I think all the pieces of the jigsaw | 0:11:49 | 0:11:52 | |
fit into place and then I was able to start on Tommy in earnest, | 0:11:52 | 0:11:57 | |
and I think I was inspired to write Tommy as a spiritual story. | 0:11:57 | 0:12:01 | |
The idea was that Tommy would be a young boy who would grow up | 0:12:01 | 0:12:06 | |
in adverse circumstances, but those adverse circumstances | 0:12:06 | 0:12:09 | |
would lead him to a spiritual pathway. | 0:12:09 | 0:12:12 | |
He would then be elected, | 0:12:12 | 0:12:14 | |
if you like, by the masses as a spiritual teacher | 0:12:14 | 0:12:17 | |
and then he would, in a sense, misuse his powers and pay the price. | 0:12:17 | 0:12:23 | |
And that was the original story | 0:12:23 | 0:12:26 | |
This is 1918. | 0:12:32 | 0:12:33 | |
Captain Walker is missing, believed to be missing with a number of men. | 0:12:33 | 0:12:38 | |
Then Mrs Walker has a child, a son. | 0:12:38 | 0:12:41 | |
ALL: Absent friends. | 0:12:43 | 0:12:44 | |
# Captain Walker didn't come home | 0:12:46 | 0:12:48 | |
# His unborn child will never know him... # | 0:12:48 | 0:12:51 | |
The war is still on... you know, it's about to end. | 0:12:52 | 0:12:57 | |
A mother has bore a child. | 0:12:57 | 0:12:59 | |
# It's a boy, Mrs Walker | 0:12:59 | 0:13:02 | |
# It's a boy | 0:13:02 | 0:13:06 | |
# It's a boy, Mrs Walker... # | 0:13:06 | 0:13:09 | |
She doesn't know, you know, if it will have a father. | 0:13:09 | 0:13:13 | |
She's taken a lover. | 0:13:13 | 0:13:15 | |
# A son, a son, a son... # | 0:13:15 | 0:13:21 | |
I had to create this viable boy that my audience, Who fans, | 0:13:21 | 0:13:26 | |
could occupy, get inside him, and then they become the hero. | 0:13:26 | 0:13:30 | |
Then Captain Walker comes back | 0:13:33 | 0:13:35 | |
Now, the first song is very vague, | 0:13:35 | 0:13:36 | |
you don't really know what's happened. | 0:13:36 | 0:13:38 | |
# I had a feeling '21 is gonna be a good year | 0:13:42 | 0:13:45 | |
# Especially if you and me sit in together... # | 0:13:47 | 0:13:51 | |
All around me, when I was a kid | 0:13:51 | 0:13:53 | |
there were these intrigues going on, you know, marital intrigues. | 0:13:53 | 0:13:57 | |
My mum, she fell in love with this guy | 0:13:57 | 0:13:59 | |
and she wanted to run away with him, and what she wanted was romance | 0:13:59 | 0:14:03 | |
and that was the thing that my dad couldn't give her. | 0:14:03 | 0:14:07 | |
# I had no reason to be over-optimistic | 0:14:07 | 0:14:10 | |
# But somehow when you smile I can brave bad weather... # | 0:14:12 | 0:14:17 | |
A smile, a loving touch, this is what life was about. | 0:14:17 | 0:14:21 | |
# About the boy, about the boy | 0:14:21 | 0:14:25 | |
# About the boy, he saw it all | 0:14:27 | 0:14:31 | |
# You didn't hear it You didn't see it | 0:14:31 | 0:14:34 | |
# You won't say nothing to no-one Never in your life | 0:14:34 | 0:14:37 | |
# You never heard it | 0:14:37 | 0:14:39 | |
# Oh, how absurd it all seems Without any proof... # | 0:14:39 | 0:14:42 | |
It turns out - although you wouldn't know it from the record - | 0:14:42 | 0:14:46 | |
that the father came back and found the mother with her lover | 0:14:46 | 0:14:49 | |
and he killed the lover, and the boy witnessed it. | 0:14:49 | 0:14:52 | |
As a child he sees this murder | 0:14:52 | 0:14:54 | |
as a child he sees a reflection of the murder. | 0:14:54 | 0:14:56 | |
He doesn't actually see the murder, he doesn't see the blood, | 0:14:56 | 0:14:59 | |
he doesn't hear the cries, he just sees this happening in this mirror. | 0:14:59 | 0:15:04 | |
And as a result of them saying "You didn't see it. | 0:15:04 | 0:15:07 | |
"You never saw it. You won't tell a word about it," he has a trauma | 0:15:07 | 0:15:10 | |
and he withdraws himself and becomes deaf, dumb and blind. | 0:15:10 | 0:15:14 | |
# That dumb and blind boy He's in a quiet vibration land | 0:15:14 | 0:15:19 | |
# Strange as it seems | 0:15:21 | 0:15:23 | |
# His music dreams ain't quite so bad... # | 0:15:23 | 0:15:27 | |
The amazing journey was the nucleus of Tommy, | 0:15:31 | 0:15:33 | |
as far as I was concerned, and it sticks in my brain | 0:15:33 | 0:15:36 | |
and has been the song that kind of said it all. | 0:15:36 | 0:15:39 | |
It's about going through life in this strange other world. | 0:15:39 | 0:15:45 | |
With the deaf, dumb and blind boy, I was looking | 0:15:48 | 0:15:50 | |
for an analogy to the fact that it seemed to me that we are deaf, dumb | 0:15:50 | 0:15:54 | |
and blind, if you like, with respect to our spiritual genome. | 0:15:54 | 0:15:58 | |
Whatever it is in us that drives us spiritually | 0:15:58 | 0:16:01 | |
is effectively deaf, dumb and blind. | 0:16:01 | 0:16:03 | |
I think Townshend totally got how, underneath | 0:16:03 | 0:16:07 | |
all of your aggression and all of your violence | 0:16:07 | 0:16:11 | |
and all of your anger is a real sensitivity, | 0:16:11 | 0:16:15 | |
a desire to somehow be accepted | 0:16:15 | 0:16:18 | |
# Sickness will surely take the mind where minds can't usually go | 0:16:19 | 0:16:25 | |
# Come on the amazing journey and learn all you should know... # | 0:16:26 | 0:16:32 | |
I'd written this epic poem, | 0:16:36 | 0:16:39 | |
it was about somebody who gets very, very, very close to God-realisation | 0:16:39 | 0:16:46 | |
and then makes a disastrous mistake. | 0:16:46 | 0:16:49 | |
"As time passes boredom forces me to amuse myself. | 0:16:49 | 0:16:54 | |
"I marry and justify a lifetime of obsessed | 0:16:54 | 0:16:57 | |
"money-making in order to keep my family. | 0:16:57 | 0:16:59 | |
"I justify an eternity of oblivious dreaming to counter | 0:16:59 | 0:17:03 | |
"the strain of all my money-making." | 0:17:03 | 0:17:06 | |
The music business itself would appear to be very shallow | 0:17:06 | 0:17:11 | |
and very kind of one-dimensional in a way, you know, | 0:17:11 | 0:17:15 | |
leading a lifestyle that is not always satisfactory | 0:17:15 | 0:17:18 | |
I don't know how he coped, you know? | 0:17:18 | 0:17:20 | |
This was a guy in two worlds, you know? | 0:17:20 | 0:17:22 | |
He's in a rock'n'roll world. | 0:17:22 | 0:17:24 | |
He's coping with stardom and, at the same time, | 0:17:24 | 0:17:27 | |
he's trying to be a boy, trying to understand himself, | 0:17:27 | 0:17:31 | |
and he's trying to be a man and be a good husband. | 0:17:31 | 0:17:35 | |
It is a warning that if you don t use the experience that you have, | 0:17:35 | 0:17:39 | |
if you don't use the qualities that you develop wisely | 0:17:39 | 0:17:43 | |
and kindly and in a good way, you know, you end up in shit. | 0:17:43 | 0:17:48 | |
MUSIC: "Eyesight To The Blind" by Sonny Boy Williamson | 0:17:48 | 0:17:51 | |
There's that brilliant use of Sonny Boy Williamson, one of the, you know, | 0:18:01 | 0:18:06 | |
original great blues figures, and a song called Eyesight To The Blind, | 0:18:06 | 0:18:11 | |
you know, a nod to both where this music came from, | 0:18:11 | 0:18:15 | |
where The Who came from and a perfect use of an old song in a new context. | 0:18:15 | 0:18:21 | |
I was attracted to it because it was about... | 0:18:21 | 0:18:24 | |
He refers to a deaf, dumb and blind guy in his song. | 0:18:24 | 0:18:29 | |
I like singing this... | 0:18:29 | 0:18:30 | |
probably most out of all the things we've ever done. | 0:18:30 | 0:18:34 | |
It's challenging, it's incredibly challenging | 0:18:34 | 0:18:38 | |
but, at the end of it, it's incredibly rewarding. | 0:18:38 | 0:18:41 | |
And it fit in beautifully, I think. | 0:18:41 | 0:18:44 | |
It created a reference back to our lineage, our heritage, | 0:18:44 | 0:18:50 | |
our influences... and it's a fucking great song, too. | 0:18:50 | 0:18:54 | |
# You talk about your woman | 0:18:54 | 0:18:57 | |
# I wish you could see mine | 0:18:57 | 0:19:00 | |
# Yeah, you talk about your woman | 0:19:02 | 0:19:05 | |
# I wish you could see mine... # | 0:19:05 | 0:19:08 | |
I don't know why Kit... | 0:19:10 | 0:19:12 | |
It's always puzzled me why he double-tracked everything. | 0:19:12 | 0:19:15 | |
It's not like I haven't got quite a fat voice to start with | 0:19:15 | 0:19:18 | |
but it did give it that kind of other worldly quality. | 0:19:18 | 0:19:22 | |
# She's got the power to heal you | 0:19:22 | 0:19:26 | |
# Never fear | 0:19:26 | 0:19:28 | |
# She's got the power to heal you | 0:19:31 | 0:19:34 | |
# Never fear... # | 0:19:34 | 0:19:36 | |
It solved a problem in a narrative. | 0:19:36 | 0:19:37 | |
I wanted there to be a pimp. | 0:19:37 | 0:19:40 | |
I wanted the Acid Queen to have a pimp. | 0:19:40 | 0:19:42 | |
I didn't want the Acid Queen to be entirely responsible | 0:19:42 | 0:19:47 | |
for corrupting the boy, sexually speaking. | 0:19:47 | 0:19:52 | |
Pete just has a darker turn of mind | 0:19:52 | 0:19:54 | |
and, you know, addressed these things, and powerfully so | 0:19:54 | 0:20:01 | |
Nothing at all could ever be too strong for an album | 0:20:01 | 0:20:04 | |
and nothing was off-limits. | 0:20:04 | 0:20:06 | |
It was amazing that the band supported him | 0:20:06 | 0:20:08 | |
and were not anti-critical of him, Meher Baba and all the rest of it. | 0:20:08 | 0:20:11 | |
Cos the thing was that they could probably sense that he was | 0:20:11 | 0:20:14 | |
definitely inspired from his confidence | 0:20:14 | 0:20:16 | |
that he got from Meher Baba. | 0:20:16 | 0:20:17 | |
We were always supportive, | 0:20:17 | 0:20:19 | |
that had been going on for years, but there was something | 0:20:19 | 0:20:21 | |
in Kit's belief in us that I always knew that it would be OK, | 0:20:21 | 0:20:26 | |
and that Pete would kind of go on to write this kind of work. | 0:20:26 | 0:20:30 | |
# Did you ever see the faces of the children? | 0:20:34 | 0:20:37 | |
# They get so excited | 0:20:37 | 0:20:40 | |
# Waking up on Christmas morning | 0:20:43 | 0:20:45 | |
# Hours before the winter sun's ignited... # | 0:20:45 | 0:20:49 | |
On Christmas Eve, I would be left on my own, | 0:20:49 | 0:20:54 | |
and with a fire and all the presents round the tree. Magic. | 0:20:54 | 0:20:58 | |
Just waiting, waiting while my mum and dad went to the pub, | 0:20:58 | 0:21:01 | |
got smashed, came back at one o'clock in the morning, | 0:21:01 | 0:21:04 | |
put me to bed. Then I'd wake up and open my presents and, yeah | 0:21:04 | 0:21:08 | |
that was good times. | 0:21:08 | 0:21:09 | |
# And Tommy doesn't know what day it is | 0:21:09 | 0:21:13 | |
# He doesn't know who Jesus was or what praying is | 0:21:15 | 0:21:20 | |
# How can he be saved from the eternal grave? | 0:21:20 | 0:21:28 | |
# See me | 0:21:29 | 0:21:32 | |
# Feel me | 0:21:34 | 0:21:37 | |
# Touch me | 0:21:38 | 0:21:41 | |
# Heal me... # | 0:21:43 | 0:21:45 | |
There is that extraordinary moment in the recording of Tommy | 0:21:45 | 0:21:48 | |
where I arrive late, looking forward to doing my bit, you know, | 0:21:48 | 0:21:53 | |
which is singing the emotional bits, "See me, feel me..." | 0:21:53 | 0:22:00 | |
You know, because, you know, I had such a tough childhood, | 0:22:00 | 0:22:04 | |
so I would be able to really sing it. | 0:22:04 | 0:22:06 | |
And I knew that, you know, | 0:22:06 | 0:22:07 | |
Roger had had a couple of goes and Kit had kind of gone, | 0:22:07 | 0:22:10 | |
"I don't think you'd better do this, Rog. | 0:22:10 | 0:22:13 | |
"I think I might better leave this to Pete." | 0:22:13 | 0:22:15 | |
And I come in and I hear this. | 0:22:15 | 0:22:17 | |
# See me | 0:22:17 | 0:22:19 | |
# Feel me | 0:22:21 | 0:22:23 | |
# Touch me | 0:22:24 | 0:22:27 | |
# Heal me... # | 0:22:28 | 0:22:30 | |
And I realised that Roger has occupied Tommy, | 0:22:31 | 0:22:36 | |
in such a way, though, that other people were unable to occupy him. | 0:22:36 | 0:22:41 | |
# Heal me... # | 0:22:41 | 0:22:45 | |
I was just inhabiting the music | 0:22:45 | 0:22:47 | |
I think everybody has a longing in them... | 0:22:48 | 0:22:52 | |
..to be understood, to be loved and that's what I tried to do. | 0:22:53 | 0:23:00 | |
I was very, very well aware that | 0:23:05 | 0:23:08 | |
it was going to do something a little bit deeper, | 0:23:08 | 0:23:12 | |
and in that Kit Lambert was an absolute dynamo of support. | 0:23:12 | 0:23:17 | |
But then, it wasn't just Kit, we did have Chris Stamp in there | 0:23:17 | 0:23:21 | |
who's, again, very, very influential on the input of Tommy. | 0:23:21 | 0:23:25 | |
Their partnership and their work together | 0:23:25 | 0:23:28 | |
was extraordinary and magical. | 0:23:28 | 0:23:31 | |
Tommy was everything. | 0:23:31 | 0:23:34 | |
You know, we were going to... we were going to sort of | 0:23:34 | 0:23:36 | |
put everything into Tommy. It was going to be the, sort of | 0:23:36 | 0:23:39 | |
the great big last-ditch effort you know, | 0:23:39 | 0:23:41 | |
of all this sort of creative juice that we'd had for all these years. | 0:23:41 | 0:23:46 | |
If ever I had any doubts, you know... If ever I said, you know, | 0:23:46 | 0:23:49 | |
"Oh, God, you know, it all feels a bit pretentious, | 0:23:49 | 0:23:51 | |
he would just say, "Oh, fuck them." | 0:23:51 | 0:23:52 | |
You know. "Just fuck them all, you know? | 0:23:53 | 0:23:57 | |
"What does anybody know about opera?" | 0:23:57 | 0:23:59 | |
But the person that was most helpful to me in constructing | 0:23:59 | 0:24:02 | |
the story was actually the guy doing the artwork - Michael McInnerney. | 0:24:02 | 0:24:07 | |
As a creative in the band, you know, | 0:24:07 | 0:24:09 | |
Pete needed somebody to be able to talk his ideas out to. | 0:24:09 | 0:24:12 | |
We were still in the studio developing the music, | 0:24:12 | 0:24:15 | |
so I would go and I would talk to him about it, | 0:24:15 | 0:24:17 | |
I would play him my demos. | 0:24:17 | 0:24:19 | |
He often got to hear my songs before the band. | 0:24:19 | 0:24:22 | |
The cover carried a kind of symbolic idea | 0:24:22 | 0:24:25 | |
of what I felt the overarching idea of the album was. | 0:24:25 | 0:24:30 | |
I was trying to carry this idea of what it would be like, | 0:24:30 | 0:24:33 | |
in a sense, to be this character, | 0:24:33 | 0:24:35 | |
trying to imagine what it's like | 0:24:35 | 0:24:37 | |
if you can't see, you can't hear, you can't speak, what kind of world | 0:24:37 | 0:24:42 | |
you're in, you know, how infinite and how large that might be. | 0:24:42 | 0:24:46 | |
I had to try and find a kind of visual method to sort of do that. | 0:24:46 | 0:24:50 | |
I don't think Mike has ever surpassed it. | 0:24:50 | 0:24:52 | |
He's done some fantastic work, | 0:24:52 | 0:24:54 | |
but I do think that it's up there with Magritte. | 0:24:54 | 0:24:57 | |
# Extra, extra, read all about it | 0:24:57 | 0:25:00 | |
# Extra... # | 0:25:00 | 0:25:02 | |
My first major interview about Tommy was with Jann Wenner | 0:25:02 | 0:25:05 | |
of Rolling Stone magazine before the fucking album was made, | 0:25:05 | 0:25:08 | |
in which I pitched the album and he printed it in its entirety. | 0:25:08 | 0:25:13 | |
I didn't know at the time that was the first time he'd, apparently | 0:25:13 | 0:25:16 | |
had ever articulated that, | 0:25:16 | 0:25:18 | |
and I think that he might have been making it up | 0:25:18 | 0:25:20 | |
as he was going along, you know it was kind of occurring to him | 0:25:20 | 0:25:24 | |
But he'd laid it out in very rational form. | 0:25:24 | 0:25:27 | |
And he said that, really, that interview cleared it - | 0:25:27 | 0:25:31 | |
clarified it in his head. | 0:25:31 | 0:25:32 | |
What's interesting, reading that interview | 0:25:32 | 0:25:36 | |
is the conviction that I had that we, as a band, | 0:25:36 | 0:25:39 | |
could kind of create this journey for this boy. | 0:25:39 | 0:25:42 | |
We could sort of make this music | 0:25:42 | 0:25:44 | |
that evoked all of these different aspects of life | 0:25:44 | 0:25:48 | |
and very, very ambitious, you know, | 0:25:48 | 0:25:51 | |
but I was convinced that we could do it. | 0:25:51 | 0:25:54 | |
# We're on our own, cousin | 0:25:54 | 0:25:59 | |
# All alone, cousin... # | 0:25:59 | 0:26:04 | |
Pete Townshend is one of the most sensitive souls who's ever | 0:26:04 | 0:26:07 | |
found their way into rock'n'roll. | 0:26:07 | 0:26:09 | |
And I think that's the secret of Tommy, is he was sensitive | 0:26:09 | 0:26:13 | |
to his own issues and to the fact that there were probably | 0:26:13 | 0:26:17 | |
other people out there dealing with some of the same psychosexual | 0:26:17 | 0:26:22 | |
childhood abuse, bullying, all these themes that are so of the moment. | 0:26:22 | 0:26:27 | |
Young Tommy went through, you know, sexual molestation, bullying, | 0:26:27 | 0:26:31 | |
drugs and whatever, that Pete had gone through. | 0:26:31 | 0:26:34 | |
Pete was an unhappy kid, you know, full of, you know, doubt | 0:26:34 | 0:26:38 | |
and shame and feelings of inadequacy and the inability to get a girl | 0:26:38 | 0:26:43 | |
And he's really...pretty painfully frank in his music.. | 0:26:43 | 0:26:48 | |
..at a time when you're not supposed to be | 0:26:49 | 0:26:51 | |
# You won't be much fun being blind, deaf and dumb | 0:26:51 | 0:26:55 | |
# But I've no-one to play with today... # | 0:26:55 | 0:26:59 | |
Bullying at that time, it was just, you know, it was just... | 0:27:00 | 0:27:03 | |
It was par for the course. It was the way that society operated. | 0:27:03 | 0:27:07 | |
Policemen didn't pull you aside and, you know... | 0:27:07 | 0:27:10 | |
They would just smack you round the head, you know? | 0:27:10 | 0:27:13 | |
It was just this kind of, you know, teachers would batter you | 0:27:13 | 0:27:17 | |
with lumps of wood, you know, and that's what life was like. | 0:27:17 | 0:27:19 | |
# I'm the school bully | 0:27:19 | 0:27:23 | |
# The classroom cheat | 0:27:24 | 0:27:28 | |
# The nastiest play friend you ever could meet... # | 0:27:28 | 0:27:36 | |
He asked John to write those difficult songs | 0:27:36 | 0:27:42 | |
those dark songs, because when Pete was younger | 0:27:42 | 0:27:45 | |
he had some bad... | 0:27:45 | 0:27:47 | |
sexual experiences and bullying experiences. | 0:27:47 | 0:27:50 | |
I didn't want to have to write those songs, | 0:27:50 | 0:27:52 | |
but I knew that they had to be in the story. | 0:27:52 | 0:27:55 | |
I knew that we had to deal with the reality | 0:27:55 | 0:27:57 | |
of what a boy like Tommy would go through. | 0:27:57 | 0:28:01 | |
As I tried to deal with it, | 0:28:01 | 0:28:05 | |
I would either go into kind of white-flash anxiety or rage... | 0:28:05 | 0:28:12 | |
And I tried a few times... | 0:28:16 | 0:28:18 | |
..but in the end I just kind of gave John a brief. | 0:28:23 | 0:28:25 | |
I just said, "Do you think you could crack this?" And he said, "Yep. | 0:28:25 | 0:28:29 | |
# I'm your wicked Uncle Ernie | 0:28:38 | 0:28:40 | |
# I'm glad you won't see or hear me as I fiddle about | 0:28:40 | 0:28:44 | |
# Fiddle about Fiddle about | 0:28:44 | 0:28:46 | |
# Your mother left me here to mind you | 0:28:46 | 0:28:48 | |
# Now I'm doing what I want to | 0:28:48 | 0:28:50 | |
# Fiddling about Fiddling about | 0:28:50 | 0:28:52 | |
Fiddle about | 0:28:52 | 0:28:54 | |
# Down with the bedclothes Up with your nightshirt | 0:28:55 | 0:28:59 | |
# Fiddle about... # | 0:28:59 | 0:29:00 | |
What's so extraordinary about those two songs | 0:29:00 | 0:29:04 | |
is that they're so powerful and they're so deeply felt | 0:29:04 | 0:29:07 | |
and they're so accurate that I wonder whether, like me | 0:29:07 | 0:29:11 | |
John had lots of friends who had stories to tell. | 0:29:11 | 0:29:16 | |
Child molestation is not discussed, | 0:29:16 | 0:29:18 | |
it's not generally a pop music theme, you know, | 0:29:18 | 0:29:20 | |
but it's one of the big, you know, successful themes of Tommy. | 0:29:20 | 0:29:27 | |
Pete was selling us and sharing with us his pain. | 0:29:27 | 0:29:31 | |
I mean, he had this part of when he was young, | 0:29:31 | 0:29:34 | |
of his mother and father not getting on, | 0:29:34 | 0:29:37 | |
and his mother was a singer and stuff, | 0:29:37 | 0:29:39 | |
and they left him for a time with his grandmother, this Denny, | 0:29:39 | 0:29:43 | |
who was a little bit strange. | 0:29:43 | 0:29:46 | |
My experience of abuse as a child is something which | 0:29:46 | 0:29:50 | |
I don't fully recall. | 0:29:50 | 0:29:52 | |
I get the sense that there's something that has happened | 0:29:52 | 0:29:54 | |
to me as a child, something that is erotic or sexual, | 0:29:54 | 0:29:59 | |
or disturbing or dark, or something in nature | 0:29:59 | 0:30:02 | |
because of dreams that I've had and memories that I have. | 0:30:02 | 0:30:05 | |
But I was very, very young, you know, | 0:30:05 | 0:30:10 | |
I was between the ages of 4 and 5? when I was | 0:30:10 | 0:30:13 | |
with my grandmother, and I just know that some weird shit went down | 0:30:13 | 0:30:16 | |
# Fiddle... # | 0:30:16 | 0:30:20 | |
# Your child ain't all he should be now | 0:30:28 | 0:30:32 | |
# This girl could put him right | 0:30:32 | 0:30:36 | |
# I'll show him what he could be now | 0:30:37 | 0:30:41 | |
# Just give me one night | 0:30:41 | 0:30:45 | |
# I'm the gypsy The Acid Queen | 0:30:47 | 0:30:51 | |
# Pay before we start... # | 0:30:51 | 0:30:54 | |
I go to a very strange place when I sing it. | 0:30:56 | 0:30:59 | |
It's like, "Can you give me permission to sing this song? | 0:30:59 | 0:31:01 | |
"I'm going to sing it like a woman who's going to rape a child in order | 0:31:01 | 0:31:05 | |
"to make it better." | 0:31:05 | 0:31:06 | |
I'm 68 years old, there's not much analysis for me. | 0:31:06 | 0:31:10 | |
I've got a pretty picture of what kind of person my mum was. | 0:31:10 | 0:31:13 | |
I love her, I love the memory of her, but I also know | 0:31:13 | 0:31:16 | |
that she was a complete halfwit in many respects, you know. | 0:31:16 | 0:31:20 | |
And she abnegated a lot of her duty to me as a young mum, | 0:31:21 | 0:31:24 | |
and when I sing the Acid Queen | 0:31:24 | 0:31:26 | |
there's a bit of my mother's voice comes in there. | 0:31:26 | 0:31:29 | |
I'm kind of... I'm kind of angry with my mother. | 0:31:29 | 0:31:31 | |
I'm angry with all women who are mothers. | 0:31:31 | 0:31:34 | |
It's a misogynist song in a way you know, | 0:31:34 | 0:31:37 | |
and I can sing it as a woman and... | 0:31:37 | 0:31:40 | |
"If your boy ain't all he should be now, this girl can put him right." | 0:31:42 | 0:31:46 | |
There's a sense of "oh, how arrogant you are." | 0:31:46 | 0:31:49 | |
# Give us a room Close the door | 0:31:49 | 0:31:53 | |
# Leave us for a while | 0:31:53 | 0:31:56 | |
# Your boy won't be a boy no more | 0:31:56 | 0:32:00 | |
# Young but not a child... # | 0:32:01 | 0:32:04 | |
What The Acid Queen represents to me is that female force. | 0:32:06 | 0:32:10 | |
It's a fairytale figure, you know? | 0:32:10 | 0:32:13 | |
It's the wicked queen, it's the wicked witch, | 0:32:13 | 0:32:16 | |
and yet, in Grimm's Fairy Tale language, it's a very erotic figure. | 0:32:16 | 0:32:20 | |
It's erotic, powerful, manipulative, fixing figure. | 0:32:20 | 0:32:25 | |
"I can fix you. Come in, young man, I'll show you the future." | 0:32:25 | 0:32:30 | |
And what a great power for a woman to have over a young man... | 0:32:31 | 0:32:35 | |
..the power to give him his first real orgasm. | 0:32:36 | 0:32:39 | |
# My work is done now Look at him | 0:32:41 | 0:32:43 | |
# He's never been more alive | 0:32:43 | 0:32:47 | |
# His hand, it shakes His fingers clutch | 0:32:48 | 0:32:51 | |
# Watch his body writhe | 0:32:52 | 0:32:55 | |
# I'm the gypsy The Acid Queen | 0:32:57 | 0:33:01 | |
# Pay before we start | 0:33:01 | 0:33:04 | |
# The gypsy | 0:33:04 | 0:33:06 | |
# I'm guaranteed to break your little heart... # | 0:33:06 | 0:33:11 | |
Kit Lambert had got me tape-machines | 0:33:13 | 0:33:15 | |
very, very early in my writing career in 1964, so I'd been | 0:33:15 | 0:33:19 | |
working on tape, and by the time I started to work on Tommy | 0:33:19 | 0:33:22 | |
I had a fully-fledged recording studio in my house at home. | 0:33:22 | 0:33:25 | |
I loved it. | 0:33:25 | 0:33:27 | |
And he would come in with a new demo and we'd write, | 0:33:27 | 0:33:30 | |
and then we'd build up from a very simple demo... | 0:33:30 | 0:33:34 | |
And slowly, but surely, the story pieced itself together | 0:33:34 | 0:33:39 | |
in some kind of sense. | 0:33:39 | 0:33:41 | |
# Ever since I was a young boy I played the silver ball | 0:33:49 | 0:33:53 | |
# From Soho down to Brighton I must have played them all | 0:33:53 | 0:33:56 | |
# But I ain't seen nothing like him in any amusement hall | 0:33:56 | 0:34:00 | |
# That deaf, dumb and blind kid sure plays a mean pinball... # | 0:34:00 | 0:34:06 | |
Before Pinball Wizard, Tommy was a kind of rock star. | 0:34:09 | 0:34:13 | |
I saw him as, I suppose, a guitar-playing rock star, | 0:34:13 | 0:34:18 | |
cos Tommy was about music. | 0:34:18 | 0:34:19 | |
It was about a young man who is deaf, dumb and blind, | 0:34:19 | 0:34:23 | |
but can hear music through vibrations, | 0:34:23 | 0:34:26 | |
so he can feel stuff, so he can feel music. | 0:34:26 | 0:34:30 | |
They wanted some feedback on how it was going | 0:34:30 | 0:34:33 | |
and the album they were making and Kit Lambert knew Nik Cohn, | 0:34:33 | 0:34:40 | |
who was the writer on the Guardian, and he was a rock critic, and | 0:34:40 | 0:34:44 | |
they brought him in and he listened to their...what they'd got so far. | 0:34:44 | 0:34:49 | |
I said, "What do you think?" | 0:34:49 | 0:34:51 | |
"And he said, "It's... It's wonderful. It's really wonderful. | 0:34:51 | 0:34:55 | |
"Wonderful music. I love it. | 0:34:55 | 0:34:57 | |
"But...it's a pity it's about a guru." | 0:34:57 | 0:35:02 | |
And I said, "Well, it's not really about a guru. | 0:35:02 | 0:35:05 | |
"No, it's not a guru. He's not a guru. | 0:35:05 | 0:35:07 | |
"He's somebody who can feel vibrations and music and through, | 0:35:07 | 0:35:14 | |
"you know... And it turns into a kind of a spiritual language | 0:35:14 | 0:35:19 | |
"that he understands and that other people around him can see." | 0:35:19 | 0:35:23 | |
And he kind of goes, "I think that's even worse than a guru. | 0:35:23 | 0:35:28 | |
He used a wonderful expression he said, "It's a bit po-faced. | 0:35:28 | 0:35:31 | |
"And it's a bit heavy, religious and... But I'll give it four stars. | 0:35:31 | 0:35:33 | |
"It's GOOD, you know, but it's not..." And that wasn't good enough. | 0:35:33 | 0:35:36 | |
I knew him and we used to play pinball together quite a bit, | 0:35:36 | 0:35:40 | |
and he'd written a book called Arfur - with an F - Pinball Queen, | 0:35:40 | 0:35:44 | |
and I'd met this kid who he'd based the story on, | 0:35:44 | 0:35:47 | |
played pinball with her, | 0:35:47 | 0:35:49 | |
and we used to go out and play pinball in Soho together. | 0:35:49 | 0:35:52 | |
And Pete said she beat him every single time. | 0:35:52 | 0:35:55 | |
And so I said, "What about if, instead of him being, like, | 0:35:59 | 0:36:03 | |
"a, you know, a phenomena, musically-speaking, | 0:36:03 | 0:36:07 | |
"he's a pinball champion?" | 0:36:07 | 0:36:09 | |
thinking I was kind of like, lowering the, you know, the... | 0:36:09 | 0:36:13 | |
And you know, "He plays pinball He can play pinball. | 0:36:13 | 0:36:16 | |
"He's deaf, dumb and blind, | 0:36:16 | 0:36:18 | |
"but through vibrations he can play pinball." | 0:36:18 | 0:36:20 | |
I said, "Would you give it a good review if he was a pinball star " | 0:36:20 | 0:36:25 | |
And Nik Cohn said something like, | 0:36:25 | 0:36:28 | |
"Ah, yes, I think I would give that a five-star review... | 0:36:28 | 0:36:32 | |
"with an extra ball." | 0:36:32 | 0:36:34 | |
So I rushed home that night and wrote Pinball Wizard. | 0:36:35 | 0:36:40 | |
# Ever since I was a young boy I played the silver ball | 0:36:57 | 0:37:00 | |
# From Soho down to Brighton I must have played them all | 0:37:00 | 0:37:04 | |
# But I've never seen anything like him in any amusement hall | 0:37:04 | 0:37:08 | |
# That deaf, dumb and blind kid sure plays a mean pinball... # | 0:37:08 | 0:37:15 | |
Pinball Wizard is a crucial song. | 0:37:15 | 0:37:17 | |
It's actually the whole thing in a nutshell, | 0:37:17 | 0:37:20 | |
and it's incredibly powerful. | 0:37:20 | 0:37:22 | |
The first time I heard it, I was literally blown backwards | 0:37:22 | 0:37:26 | |
it was so powerful. | 0:37:26 | 0:37:28 | |
And I felt it was too sweet and, you know, | 0:37:28 | 0:37:31 | |
so if this is someone singing about Tommy, | 0:37:31 | 0:37:33 | |
it should have a bit more meat and potatoes... | 0:37:33 | 0:37:36 | |
..which is what I gave it. | 0:37:37 | 0:37:39 | |
# He stands like a statue Becomes part of the machine | 0:37:39 | 0:37:42 | |
# Feeling all the bumpers Always playing clean | 0:37:42 | 0:37:46 | |
# He plays by intuition The digit counters fall | 0:37:46 | 0:37:50 | |
# That deaf, dumb and blind kid sure plays a mean pinball | 0:37:50 | 0:37:54 | |
# He's a pinball wizard | 0:38:02 | 0:38:04 | |
# Had to be a twist | 0:38:04 | 0:38:05 | |
# A pinball wizard's Got such a supple wrist... # | 0:38:05 | 0:38:10 | |
I think that it was such a clever device, a perfect vehicle. | 0:38:12 | 0:38:16 | |
Nothing to do with words, just to do with feeling the flippers | 0:38:16 | 0:38:19 | |
and feeling the... | 0:38:19 | 0:38:21 | |
And feeling the ball and scoring a great score. | 0:38:21 | 0:38:25 | |
You don't need words for that. | 0:38:25 | 0:38:27 | |
What it did was inject this incredible silly, colourful, | 0:38:27 | 0:38:31 | |
daft notion into the whole thing which, in actual fact, | 0:38:31 | 0:38:35 | |
totally redeemed but also created a much better focus for my notion | 0:38:35 | 0:38:40 | |
that somebody who was deaf, dumb and blind could do something miraculous. | 0:38:40 | 0:38:43 | |
# He ain't got no distraction Can't hear no buzzing bells | 0:38:43 | 0:38:47 | |
# Don't see no lights a-flashin | 0:38:47 | 0:38:49 | |
# Plays by sense of smell | 0:38:49 | 0:38:51 | |
# Always gets a replay Never tilts at all | 0:38:51 | 0:38:55 | |
# That deaf, dumb and blind kid sure plays a mean pinball... # | 0:38:55 | 0:39:00 | |
Listening to the production on Pinball Wizard, | 0:39:00 | 0:39:03 | |
and it's absolutely genius, but it's a masterpiece. | 0:39:03 | 0:39:06 | |
# I thought I was the Bally table king | 0:39:06 | 0:39:11 | |
# But I just handed my pinball crown to him... # | 0:39:11 | 0:39:16 | |
Next day he brought it in, played it to everyone. | 0:39:23 | 0:39:25 | |
He thought, "Oh, God, I'm embarrassed by this." | 0:39:25 | 0:39:28 | |
I came in and I played it, | 0:39:28 | 0:39:29 | |
and the great thing about it was that it was obviously the hit. | 0:39:29 | 0:39:33 | |
And Damon Lyon-Shaw, the engineer, said, | 0:39:33 | 0:39:35 | |
"That'll be a number-one hit, you know." | 0:39:35 | 0:39:37 | |
And they all went, "This is great." And he went, "Oh, really?" | 0:39:37 | 0:39:40 | |
I think it got to number four. | 0:39:41 | 0:39:44 | |
HE LAUGHS | 0:39:44 | 0:39:46 | |
# That deaf, dumb and blind kid. . # | 0:39:46 | 0:39:49 | |
Nik, true to his word, gave the album a fantastic review. | 0:39:49 | 0:39:52 | |
With Tommy, it was the first time we used eight-track | 0:40:03 | 0:40:07 | |
and we didn't know what to do with them. | 0:40:07 | 0:40:10 | |
I've seen the multi-tracks from Tommy | 0:40:10 | 0:40:13 | |
and there's three tracks empty | 0:40:13 | 0:40:15 | |
Cos they'd insisted all the way that they wanted to be able | 0:40:15 | 0:40:18 | |
to play it on stage, cos there was all sorts of great ideas came up. | 0:40:18 | 0:40:22 | |
Kit Lambert had asked me to dance around the room | 0:40:22 | 0:40:24 | |
like a ballet dancer holding a microphone for an effect. | 0:40:24 | 0:40:27 | |
He was wonderful because he would just try everything. | 0:40:27 | 0:40:30 | |
He'd try the kitchen sink, he'd throw it all in. | 0:40:30 | 0:40:33 | |
He'd make terrible mistakes. | 0:40:33 | 0:40:34 | |
The next thing we knew, we'd be marching around the studio | 0:40:34 | 0:40:37 | |
playing trombones, you know? | 0:40:37 | 0:40:39 | |
Would I have changed him for someone more polished? | 0:40:40 | 0:40:44 | |
No, we wouldn't have been what we are today | 0:40:44 | 0:40:46 | |
without his early production. | 0:40:46 | 0:40:48 | |
It was quirky, it was cranky, and it wasn't like anybody else | 0:40:48 | 0:40:52 | |
In Damon Lyon-Shaw, | 0:40:52 | 0:40:53 | |
he did pick an absolutely excellent engineer who got fantastic sound | 0:40:53 | 0:40:58 | |
so, you know, he just left that kind of stuff to the engineer. | 0:40:58 | 0:41:02 | |
He interfered a bit, you know? | 0:41:02 | 0:41:03 | |
Damon Lyon-Shaw talks about the fact that Kit always wanted | 0:41:03 | 0:41:07 | |
the needles in the red, | 0:41:07 | 0:41:08 | |
and all they did was they turned down the bit behind the needles | 0:41:08 | 0:41:11 | |
so that the needles were always in the red, | 0:41:11 | 0:41:13 | |
but they were actually recording clean. | 0:41:13 | 0:41:15 | |
So, everybody got what they wanted. | 0:41:15 | 0:41:17 | |
The making of the record | 0:41:17 | 0:41:19 | |
and that period of our career was the most joyous time - | 0:41:19 | 0:41:23 | |
it was wonderful. And going to work a lot, working in the studio all day, | 0:41:23 | 0:41:27 | |
going out to do gigs at night what more could anybody have wanted? | 0:41:27 | 0:41:31 | |
Kit made recording fun, there's no question about it, it was great fun. | 0:41:32 | 0:41:38 | |
# There's a man I found who can bring us all joy | 0:41:38 | 0:41:41 | |
# There's a doctor I've found could cure the boy | 0:41:41 | 0:41:44 | |
# A doctor I've found... # | 0:41:44 | 0:41:46 | |
What's probably more important in the context... | 0:41:46 | 0:41:49 | |
and that these songs I DID manage to tackle, you know, | 0:41:49 | 0:41:53 | |
in the shape of the doctor's song "Go To The Mirror!" | 0:41:53 | 0:41:58 | |
was the complicity of parents and social workers, | 0:41:58 | 0:42:03 | |
and doctors and do-gooders, | 0:42:03 | 0:42:06 | |
in a sense, to try to get round the problems that this child might have. | 0:42:06 | 0:42:12 | |
# He seems to be completely unreceptive | 0:42:12 | 0:42:15 | |
# The tests I gave him show no sense at all | 0:42:17 | 0:42:20 | |
# His eyes react to light The dials detected | 0:42:20 | 0:42:25 | |
# He hears but cannot answer to your call... # | 0:42:26 | 0:42:33 | |
The reason why none of the other cures, | 0:42:33 | 0:42:35 | |
the quacky cures or even the, you know, the credible medical cure, | 0:42:35 | 0:42:39 | |
the reason why none of them work is that because... | 0:42:39 | 0:42:43 | |
What's actually happened, of course, | 0:42:43 | 0:42:45 | |
is that Tommy is not deaf, dumb and blind, | 0:42:45 | 0:42:47 | |
he's not even really autistic, you know? | 0:42:47 | 0:42:50 | |
What's actually happened is that he's been traumatised | 0:42:50 | 0:42:55 | |
and is in a kind of shutdown state. | 0:42:55 | 0:42:57 | |
# Tommy, can you hear me? | 0:42:57 | 0:42:59 | |
# Can you feel me near you? | 0:43:01 | 0:43:04 | |
# Tommy, can you see me? | 0:43:05 | 0:43:07 | |
# Can I help to cheer you? # | 0:43:09 | 0:43:11 | |
What cures him is that the mother smashes the mirror | 0:43:11 | 0:43:15 | |
that he's looking at himself in and breaks the spell. | 0:43:15 | 0:43:19 | |
# Do you hear or fear or Do I smash the mirror? # | 0:43:19 | 0:43:23 | |
GLASS SMASHES | 0:43:27 | 0:43:29 | |
And when she smashes the mirror he not only sees himself | 0:43:30 | 0:43:34 | |
for the first time in the trauma of that moment, | 0:43:34 | 0:43:37 | |
but he realises the power | 0:43:37 | 0:43:39 | |
of his mother's loving rage and frustration. | 0:43:39 | 0:43:42 | |
And that's kind of, in a sense what brings him to his senses. | 0:43:42 | 0:43:45 | |
And so then, "Da-dah! I'm free. | 0:43:45 | 0:43:48 | |
# I'm free | 0:43:56 | 0:43:59 | |
# I am free | 0:43:59 | 0:44:03 | |
# And freedom tastes of reality. . # | 0:44:05 | 0:44:11 | |
The whole thing is metaphorical of course. | 0:44:13 | 0:44:18 | |
It's about a coming of age, you know? | 0:44:18 | 0:44:20 | |
About the fact that each of us as young men, | 0:44:20 | 0:44:23 | |
that that happens to us at some point. | 0:44:23 | 0:44:25 | |
We break away from stuff that we've clung onto in our childhood | 0:44:25 | 0:44:29 | |
and we... | 0:44:29 | 0:44:30 | |
..assume our power as men, and that's what happens to Tommy. | 0:44:31 | 0:44:37 | |
It's a pivotal song. It's the pivotal song. | 0:44:37 | 0:44:41 | |
It's from hereon in that all the problems need to be solved. . | 0:44:41 | 0:44:46 | |
because you're back in the real world. | 0:44:46 | 0:44:48 | |
# I'm free | 0:44:48 | 0:44:50 | |
# I'm free... # | 0:44:52 | 0:44:54 | |
I think we probably discovered something about our sound in Tommy | 0:44:54 | 0:44:58 | |
when we played at the Ronnie Scott's Club. | 0:44:58 | 0:45:00 | |
And they decided to have a proper full-blown press launch. | 0:45:00 | 0:45:03 | |
They booked Ronnie Scott's Club | 0:45:03 | 0:45:05 | |
which, in itself, was a unique experiment, | 0:45:05 | 0:45:07 | |
to have a rock band playing at the famous London jazz venue | 0:45:07 | 0:45:11 | |
And it was very hostile. They said, "Well, I know people there | 0:45:11 | 0:45:15 | |
"and they said the press were drunk, and sort of shouting at them | 0:45:15 | 0:45:18 | |
"and leering at them." | 0:45:18 | 0:45:19 | |
And as we started to play, somebody shouted out | 0:45:19 | 0:45:23 | |
"Smash your guitar, you sick BLEEP!" | 0:45:23 | 0:45:25 | |
So, I think that's kind of where we were, you know, | 0:45:28 | 0:45:31 | |
and whoever said that was drunk on our free booze, | 0:45:31 | 0:45:34 | |
so we didn't really have many friends. | 0:45:34 | 0:45:36 | |
And so Pete said, "Right, let them have it." | 0:45:36 | 0:45:38 | |
I turned it up. I turned everything up. | 0:45:38 | 0:45:40 | |
We played with tremendous vigour and passion and vengeance, | 0:45:40 | 0:45:45 | |
and fear that it wouldn't work | 0:45:45 | 0:45:47 | |
And we played to absolute silence... | 0:45:47 | 0:45:50 | |
incredibly loudly, | 0:45:50 | 0:45:52 | |
but the ovation at the end kind of took us by surprise, I must admit. | 0:45:52 | 0:45:57 | |
That was... That was stunning. | 0:45:57 | 0:46:00 | |
The real change in The Who happened when they played it live, | 0:46:00 | 0:46:05 | |
not from the album. | 0:46:05 | 0:46:07 | |
That's when The Who sound really started to bed in. | 0:46:07 | 0:46:10 | |
# I'm free | 0:46:10 | 0:46:12 | |
# I'm free | 0:46:13 | 0:46:16 | |
# And I'm waiting for you to follow me... # | 0:46:18 | 0:46:23 | |
Several things happened to me at that time. | 0:46:24 | 0:46:27 | |
I was a Mod with curly hair, which was worse than having the pox. | 0:46:27 | 0:46:30 | |
And my wife said to me, | 0:46:30 | 0:46:33 | |
"Why are you straightening your hair? It's beautiful." | 0:46:33 | 0:46:35 | |
She said, "Just let it hang out " | 0:46:35 | 0:46:38 | |
And she, again, gave me the confidence to do it | 0:46:38 | 0:46:41 | |
So, I kind of gained a different physical persona. | 0:46:41 | 0:46:45 | |
# I'm free | 0:46:45 | 0:46:47 | |
# I'm free | 0:46:49 | 0:46:51 | |
# And I'm waiting for you to follow me... # | 0:46:54 | 0:46:59 | |
He was your archetypical rock star of the '70s, | 0:47:01 | 0:47:03 | |
with his fringed jacket and his long hair and his bare chest. | 0:47:03 | 0:47:07 | |
Roger was definitive in the role and no-one will ever sing Tommy | 0:47:07 | 0:47:12 | |
the way Roger, you know, Daltrey did and does. | 0:47:12 | 0:47:17 | |
The fact of suddenly realising "Oh, my God, we've got | 0:47:17 | 0:47:23 | |
"a rock god as a singer and not just an annoying fucker | 0:47:23 | 0:47:27 | |
"who disagrees with everything we say," you know? | 0:47:27 | 0:47:32 | |
It all added up to turning me into the kind of rock star | 0:47:32 | 0:47:35 | |
that I became. Previous to that I was just another pop singer. | 0:47:35 | 0:47:39 | |
Daltrey sort of became the kind of visual expression of Tommy. | 0:47:39 | 0:47:44 | |
The audience was watching Roger singing Tommy as Tommy - | 0:47:44 | 0:47:48 | |
it was totally different. | 0:47:48 | 0:47:50 | |
# And I'm waiting for you to follow me... # | 0:47:50 | 0:47:56 | |
Roger just became this figure who was at the centre of things. . | 0:47:58 | 0:48:03 | |
and it changed everything. | 0:48:03 | 0:48:05 | |
# How can we follow? How can we follow? # | 0:48:07 | 0:48:12 | |
What we have to accept is that what he's got a following for | 0:48:12 | 0:48:16 | |
is pretty bloody stupid. | 0:48:16 | 0:48:17 | |
You know, he's got a following again, it's metaphorical. | 0:48:17 | 0:48:21 | |
If he's a pinball champion, it's just about as credible | 0:48:21 | 0:48:25 | |
and valid as somebody, you know having a huge following | 0:48:25 | 0:48:30 | |
for writing songs about boys that wank over pictures | 0:48:30 | 0:48:35 | |
and smashing guitars. | 0:48:35 | 0:48:37 | |
So, you know, it was quite close to home. | 0:48:37 | 0:48:40 | |
This is about pop culture, | 0:48:40 | 0:48:42 | |
and the people around him, his pinball fans, see this | 0:48:42 | 0:48:46 | |
and they kind of go, "Wow, you know, you were deaf, dumb and blind and | 0:48:46 | 0:48:50 | |
"now you're OK and you can see, and you have this incredible freedom." | 0:48:50 | 0:48:55 | |
That's what his fans respond to | 0:48:55 | 0:48:57 | |
and they kind of go, "We want what you've got." | 0:48:57 | 0:49:00 | |
He has all these followers and they're basically in a holiday camp. | 0:49:00 | 0:49:04 | |
# Good morning, campers | 0:49:09 | 0:49:10 | |
# I'm your uncle Ernie and I welcome you to Tommy's holiday camp | 0:49:10 | 0:49:15 | |
# The camp with a difference Never mind the weather | 0:49:18 | 0:49:21 | |
# When you come to Tommy's The holiday's forever... # | 0:49:21 | 0:49:24 | |
The wonderful thing about The Who, of course, | 0:49:28 | 0:49:31 | |
was that what was a fairly po-faced idea to begin with | 0:49:31 | 0:49:34 | |
and probably far too... | 0:49:34 | 0:49:35 | |
..far too serious, really, to have worked for a rock band | 0:49:37 | 0:49:41 | |
was that, as we worked through it, | 0:49:41 | 0:49:42 | |
it got lighter and lighter and lighter. | 0:49:42 | 0:49:44 | |
Keith Moon came up with the idea that, instead of Tommy opening up | 0:49:44 | 0:49:47 | |
his home for hundreds and hundreds of people, | 0:49:47 | 0:49:51 | |
that it would be a holiday camp | 0:49:51 | 0:49:52 | |
# The camp with a difference Never mind the weather | 0:49:52 | 0:49:55 | |
# When you come to Tommy's The holiday's forever... # | 0:49:55 | 0:49:59 | |
So it was lighter and funnier and more delightful. | 0:50:02 | 0:50:05 | |
Tommy finally turns to the people around him | 0:50:09 | 0:50:12 | |
and says, "Listen, this is really simple. | 0:50:12 | 0:50:14 | |
# Welcome... # | 0:50:14 | 0:50:16 | |
You know, "If you really want what I've got, | 0:50:16 | 0:50:18 | |
"if you want what you THINK I've got, then maybe you should just live | 0:50:18 | 0:50:22 | |
"the kind of experience that I lived. | 0:50:22 | 0:50:25 | |
"Pretend to be deaf, dumb and blind, you know, | 0:50:25 | 0:50:28 | |
"witness a few murders, you know, do what I did. | 0:50:28 | 0:50:33 | |
"Do as I do and you will end up where I am. | 0:50:33 | 0:50:36 | |
# Welcome to the camp I guess you all know why we're here | 0:50:36 | 0:50:41 | |
# My name is Tommy and I became aware this year | 0:50:43 | 0:50:49 | |
# If you want to follow me You've got to play pinball | 0:50:51 | 0:50:56 | |
# And put in your earplugs | 0:50:58 | 0:50:59 | |
# Put on your eye shades | 0:50:59 | 0:51:01 | |
# You know where to put the cork .. # | 0:51:01 | 0:51:04 | |
Woodstock was the thing that changed The Who. | 0:51:05 | 0:51:08 | |
There was something about the gathering of Woodstock | 0:51:08 | 0:51:12 | |
and the message of Tommy. | 0:51:12 | 0:51:14 | |
They all put it into this marvellous kind of birth, really, | 0:51:14 | 0:51:18 | |
of The Who and Tommy in America | 0:51:18 | 0:51:20 | |
and it made them legends, really, that performance. | 0:51:20 | 0:51:24 | |
It broke The Who definitely in America. | 0:51:24 | 0:51:27 | |
I mean, that's when they really became an iconic band. | 0:51:27 | 0:51:31 | |
If you look at our gig book, we're at 2,000- or 3,000-seaters, | 0:51:31 | 0:51:34 | |
but it went from that to 120,00O overnight. It was ridiculous. | 0:51:34 | 0:51:41 | |
It was crazy. | 0:51:41 | 0:51:42 | |
# We're not gonna take it | 0:51:42 | 0:51:44 | |
# We're not gonna take it... # | 0:51:46 | 0:51:47 | |
Suddenly there was money and everything, you know, fame | 0:51:49 | 0:51:53 | |
and it elevated them completely | 0:51:53 | 0:51:55 | |
And then that period of my life | 0:51:55 | 0:51:57 | |
that was a bit difficult to deal with. | 0:51:57 | 0:51:59 | |
One of the things that I probably knew was that | 0:51:59 | 0:52:01 | |
if it was as successful as I felt it might be, | 0:52:01 | 0:52:04 | |
it would challenge the life that my wife and I hoped for. | 0:52:04 | 0:52:10 | |
It would challenge the life that we were trying to create around us, | 0:52:10 | 0:52:14 | |
which was a very loving, normal English life. | 0:52:14 | 0:52:19 | |
And it was very difficult to do that in a band like The Who. | 0:52:21 | 0:52:26 | |
Nothing became real. | 0:52:26 | 0:52:28 | |
No-one was... People started treating you... | 0:52:28 | 0:52:30 | |
It's not you that changes, | 0:52:30 | 0:52:32 | |
it's the people around you - everybody, you know, | 0:52:32 | 0:52:34 | |
everyone treats you differently So you go, "What's going on? | 0:52:34 | 0:52:37 | |
"Cos I haven't changed, I'm still me." | 0:52:37 | 0:52:40 | |
# We're not gonna take it | 0:52:43 | 0:52:48 | |
# We're not gonna take it | 0:52:49 | 0:52:52 | |
# We're not gonna take it | 0:52:53 | 0:52:55 | |
# We're not gonna take it | 0:52:57 | 0:53:00 | |
# Never did and never will... # | 0:53:00 | 0:53:03 | |
I think it's a human thing. | 0:53:03 | 0:53:05 | |
It's something that people do, | 0:53:05 | 0:53:07 | |
building our celebrities up and then knocking them down. | 0:53:07 | 0:53:10 | |
What society does is it takes what the charismatic | 0:53:10 | 0:53:13 | |
figure in society can give us, and then runs with it and takes it away. | 0:53:13 | 0:53:18 | |
And this takes the form of a kind of a rebellion, | 0:53:19 | 0:53:22 | |
and this is what happens to Tommy. | 0:53:22 | 0:53:23 | |
# See me | 0:53:23 | 0:53:25 | |
# Feel me... # | 0:53:28 | 0:53:30 | |
I started my journey as a fan, my journey as somebody who was | 0:53:33 | 0:53:39 | |
looking to music and celebrity and glamour... | 0:53:39 | 0:53:44 | |
..for something. | 0:53:46 | 0:53:48 | |
Where DO you find the answers and how DO you grapple with them? | 0:53:48 | 0:53:51 | |
And what do you want from artists or gurus or spiritual leaders? | 0:53:51 | 0:53:57 | |
You know, how much do you need to do yourself? | 0:53:57 | 0:54:00 | |
Pretty much every great spiritual leader in the history of humankind | 0:54:00 | 0:54:05 | |
has said, "You know, at the end of the day look within your own heart." | 0:54:05 | 0:54:09 | |
"The master gravely shook his head | 0:54:09 | 0:54:12 | |
"and I knew that despite his infinite wisdom, infinite power | 0:54:12 | 0:54:16 | |
"infinite awareness, that he WOULD not, COULD not tell me where | 0:54:16 | 0:54:20 | |
"to look or even what to look for. I had to find the answer myself " | 0:54:20 | 0:54:26 | |
# Listening to you | 0:54:26 | 0:54:27 | |
# I get the music | 0:54:27 | 0:54:30 | |
# Gazing at you | 0:54:30 | 0:54:32 | |
# I get the heat-heat | 0:54:32 | 0:54:34 | |
# Following you | 0:54:34 | 0:54:36 | |
# I climb the mountain | 0:54:36 | 0:54:38 | |
# I get excitement at your feet. . # | 0:54:38 | 0:54:42 | |
Everybody! | 0:54:42 | 0:54:43 | |
The prayer at the end is two-fold - | 0:54:45 | 0:54:47 | |
one, we hear Tommy remembering | 0:54:47 | 0:54:50 | |
"See me, feel me, touch me, heal me," | 0:54:50 | 0:54:53 | |
and then going back on his flight, | 0:54:53 | 0:54:55 | |
"Listening to you, I get the music," | 0:54:55 | 0:54:57 | |
turning towards the universe and praising her. | 0:54:57 | 0:55:00 | |
But, also, I get the sense, too .. | 0:55:00 | 0:55:04 | |
..that this is the audience, as well. | 0:55:05 | 0:55:07 | |
They're also singing "See me, feel me, touch me, heal me." | 0:55:07 | 0:55:10 | |
They're also connecting with what it is | 0:55:10 | 0:55:13 | |
that is the real fact of the matter. | 0:55:13 | 0:55:16 | |
They are a collection of individuals, | 0:55:16 | 0:55:18 | |
and each individual has to live his own life. | 0:55:18 | 0:55:21 | |
And each individual has a relationship with the universe. | 0:55:22 | 0:55:26 | |
And so the end of Tommy is about that, you know? | 0:55:26 | 0:55:29 | |
And I think, without having read what Meher Baba said - | 0:55:29 | 0:55:33 | |
you know, you have to lose yourself in order to find God, | 0:55:33 | 0:55:36 | |
and you have to lose yourself in order to find your true self - | 0:55:36 | 0:55:39 | |
I don't think I could have hit on it. | 0:55:39 | 0:55:41 | |
You could never wish for a better ending to an album | 0:55:41 | 0:55:44 | |
And it's about you - | 0:55:44 | 0:55:46 | |
and you, as a listener, | 0:55:46 | 0:55:49 | |
feel engaged and touched and moved. | 0:55:49 | 0:55:52 | |
And I think that's what Tommy did for The Who more than anything | 0:55:52 | 0:55:57 | |
It picked our audience up from being... | 0:55:57 | 0:55:59 | |
...a pop band-loving audience, | 0:56:01 | 0:56:05 | |
and moved them into being, | 0:56:05 | 0:56:07 | |
"wow, this is more than that, there's something else going on here." | 0:56:07 | 0:56:12 | |
# Listening to you | 0:56:13 | 0:56:15 | |
# I get the music | 0:56:15 | 0:56:17 | |
# Gazing at you | 0:56:17 | 0:56:19 | |
# I get the heat-heat | 0:56:19 | 0:56:21 | |
# Following you... # | 0:56:21 | 0:56:22 | |
We always had an idea that Tommy was going to mean something. | 0:56:24 | 0:56:27 | |
You know, we liked the album | 0:56:27 | 0:56:29 | |
and we knew it was going to be...kind of important. | 0:56:29 | 0:56:33 | |
People can find more and more meanings in it, | 0:56:33 | 0:56:36 | |
and more and more levels of stuff | 0:56:36 | 0:56:37 | |
as they hear it again and again and again. | 0:56:37 | 0:56:39 | |
You listen to Tommy now and it moves you, | 0:56:39 | 0:56:41 | |
and it moves you because the things he's writing about | 0:56:41 | 0:56:44 | |
are absolutely eternal. | 0:56:44 | 0:56:47 | |
He was, without question, a pioneer, | 0:56:47 | 0:56:51 | |
and I would say this is a quintessentially important creation. | 0:56:51 | 0:56:56 | |
There was a feeling that it was actually something that would last. | 0:56:56 | 0:56:59 | |
It's true, I think we had shifted. | 0:56:59 | 0:57:01 | |
At that point, the centre of gravity had moved from popular culture | 0:57:01 | 0:57:05 | |
from something that was just throw-away | 0:57:05 | 0:57:07 | |
to something that really started to mean something and had purpose. | 0:57:07 | 0:57:12 | |
The pre-Tommy Who, the '60s Who | 0:57:12 | 0:57:15 | |
were a great gimmicky, clever, intelligent pop band. | 0:57:15 | 0:57:20 | |
Post-Tommy, The Who were heavy, serious rock, | 0:57:20 | 0:57:26 | |
up there amongst the top three | 0:57:26 | 0:57:28 | |
Afterwards, for a period, probably the top rock band in the world | 0:57:28 | 0:57:31 | |
Pete's music will be performed as the new classical music, | 0:57:31 | 0:57:35 | |
cos it's, in some ways, classically structured, | 0:57:35 | 0:57:39 | |
and, lyric-wise and emotional-wise, | 0:57:39 | 0:57:41 | |
they're timeless, and they always will be. | 0:57:41 | 0:57:44 | |
It does appear to be the only topic of conversation | 0:57:51 | 0:57:55 | |
that we've had for the past three years, erm.. | 0:57:55 | 0:57:59 | |
so I'm fed up with talking about it, | 0:57:59 | 0:58:02 | |
I'm certainly not fed up with playing it. | 0:58:02 | 0:58:04 | |
As Bob Dylan so eloquently said when he came to see Tommy | 0:58:04 | 0:58:07 | |
for the first time at the Filmore, | 0:58:07 | 0:58:10 | |
"I've got another appointment. | 0:58:10 | 0:58:12 | |
But Leonard Bernstein got me by the shoulders | 0:58:17 | 0:58:19 | |
and said, "Do you realise what you've done?!" | 0:58:19 | 0:58:22 | |
So, somewhere along the line, I don't know. | 0:58:25 | 0:58:28 | |
# You feel me coming | 0:58:29 | 0:58:31 | |
# A new vibration | 0:58:32 | 0:58:34 | |
# From afar you'll see me | 0:58:36 | 0:58:38 | |
# I'm a sensation, I'm a sensation | 0:58:39 | 0:58:46 | |
# They worship me and all I touch | 0:58:47 | 0:58:51 | |
# Hazy-eyed, they catch my glance... # | 0:58:51 | 0:58:55 | |
Subtitles by Red Bee Media Ltd | 0:58:55 | 0:58:58 |