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This programme contains some strong language. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:06 | |
Throughout the history of popular music, there've been fears | 0:00:06 | 0:00:09 | |
it could turn gullible young groovers into anarchic, | 0:00:09 | 0:00:11 | |
drug crazed sexual deviants. | 0:00:11 | 0:00:13 | |
The BBC has always taken this threat extremely seriously | 0:00:13 | 0:00:17 | |
and attempted to protect the nation's youth by preventing | 0:00:17 | 0:00:21 | |
the worst musical misdemeanours from infecting the airwaves. | 0:00:21 | 0:00:25 | |
# I'll always remember... # | 0:00:25 | 0:00:27 | |
The story of banned records is the story of the rise of the teenager | 0:00:27 | 0:00:32 | |
and the controversies surrounding youth culture | 0:00:32 | 0:00:35 | |
-over the last 75 years. -# No future... # | 0:00:35 | 0:00:38 | |
This pop group are going to, you know, cause anarchy, they're going to bring down the Government. | 0:00:38 | 0:00:43 | |
It's also the story of the BBC's difficult struggle | 0:00:43 | 0:00:46 | |
with the thin line between moral responsibility and censorship. | 0:00:46 | 0:00:51 | |
The BBC Committee in those days is fascinating, | 0:00:51 | 0:00:54 | |
I would love to have been a fly on the wall of the BBC Committee. | 0:00:54 | 0:00:57 | |
And, ultimately, what it reveals is that there's | 0:00:57 | 0:01:00 | |
nothing quite like being banned to guarantee chart success. | 0:01:00 | 0:01:04 | |
Thank you, BBC, for banning that record and making it No.1. | 0:01:04 | 0:01:07 | |
# Huh! | 0:01:07 | 0:01:09 | |
# Ow! Ow! # | 0:01:09 | 0:01:11 | |
NEEDLE SCRATCHES | 0:01:13 | 0:01:14 | |
# Je t'aime... # | 0:01:14 | 0:01:16 | |
If there's one subject guaranteed to get Auntie's knickers in a twist, | 0:01:16 | 0:01:20 | |
it's a bit of "how's your father". | 0:01:20 | 0:01:23 | |
Any hint of suspicious moaning and groaning on a record | 0:01:23 | 0:01:25 | |
has generally given rise | 0:01:25 | 0:01:27 | |
to an immediate ban from the BBC Radio playlist. | 0:01:27 | 0:01:31 | |
This bout of musical foreplay | 0:01:33 | 0:01:36 | |
between Serge Gainsbourg and Jane Birkin | 0:01:36 | 0:01:39 | |
was even denounced by the Vatican! | 0:01:39 | 0:01:41 | |
Back in 1956, this debut record by a 19-year-old Shirley Bassey | 0:01:43 | 0:01:48 | |
was banned for daring to actually mention the S-word. | 0:01:48 | 0:01:52 | |
# There's S for Scotch that's so direct | 0:01:54 | 0:01:57 | |
# And for straight and simple sex. # | 0:01:57 | 0:01:59 | |
And 30 years later, | 0:02:01 | 0:02:03 | |
George Michael still paid the price of a ban for daring to want our... | 0:02:03 | 0:02:08 | |
# Sex! # | 0:02:08 | 0:02:09 | |
But when it comes to songs and sex, | 0:02:11 | 0:02:13 | |
there is one repeat offender whose lewd lyrics | 0:02:13 | 0:02:16 | |
led to an entire file of transgressions. | 0:02:16 | 0:02:20 | |
Whether he was cleaning windows or playing his little ukulele, | 0:02:20 | 0:02:23 | |
this cheeky chappy from the North | 0:02:23 | 0:02:25 | |
fell foul of the BBC's Dance Music Policy Committee | 0:02:25 | 0:02:29 | |
on countless occasions. | 0:02:29 | 0:02:31 | |
In at No.1 on our list of Britain's Most Dangerous Songs | 0:02:31 | 0:02:34 | |
is George Formby with... | 0:02:34 | 0:02:36 | |
# Me little stick of Blackpool rock. # | 0:02:36 | 0:02:39 | |
-WOMAN: -'Are you sitting comfortably? | 0:02:45 | 0:02:47 | |
'Then I'll begin.' | 0:02:48 | 0:02:49 | |
When the BBC began with Lord Reith | 0:02:51 | 0:02:53 | |
and the setting up of the organisation, | 0:02:53 | 0:02:56 | |
they very much took the moral high ground that it wasn't just there to entertain, | 0:02:56 | 0:02:59 | |
it was there to educate, it also had a moral purpose | 0:02:59 | 0:03:03 | |
in sort of shaping the nation. | 0:03:03 | 0:03:05 | |
The BBC realised that it had to have some sort of censorship | 0:03:05 | 0:03:08 | |
and so the Dance Music Policy Committee would consider songs | 0:03:08 | 0:03:12 | |
that were going to be heard over the air waves, | 0:03:12 | 0:03:14 | |
either live or on gramophone record, | 0:03:14 | 0:03:16 | |
and decide whether they were suitable for broadcast or not. | 0:03:16 | 0:03:20 | |
George Formby was one of the biggest performers of the 1930s | 0:03:20 | 0:03:23 | |
and his whole act was based on saucy innuendo. | 0:03:23 | 0:03:27 | |
He was doing it over and over and over again. | 0:03:27 | 0:03:30 | |
So he was certainly a repeat offender, | 0:03:30 | 0:03:32 | |
and a repeat offender...several times in one song. | 0:03:32 | 0:03:35 | |
# I'm leaning on the lamp post at the corner of the street | 0:03:35 | 0:03:38 | |
# In case a certain little lady comes by | 0:03:38 | 0:03:41 | |
# Oh, me | 0:03:41 | 0:03:43 | |
# Oh, my | 0:03:43 | 0:03:44 | |
# I hope the little lady comes by. # | 0:03:44 | 0:03:48 | |
There's a case for saying that George Formby | 0:03:48 | 0:03:51 | |
was Britain's first pop star, really, | 0:03:51 | 0:03:53 | |
he was...the Robbie Williams, maybe, of his day. | 0:03:53 | 0:03:57 | |
It became quintessentially English in its attitude to sex, | 0:03:57 | 0:04:02 | |
which is both fascinated and embarrassed by it, you know. | 0:04:02 | 0:04:07 | |
Growing up in Blackpool, | 0:04:07 | 0:04:08 | |
we were always fascinated by George Formby. | 0:04:08 | 0:04:10 | |
He was treated as a joke figure when I was growing up in the '70s, | 0:04:10 | 0:04:13 | |
but as years have gone by, people have respected him a lot more. | 0:04:13 | 0:04:15 | |
He's actually a brilliant musician, | 0:04:15 | 0:04:17 | |
when he plays, he's a really good player, | 0:04:17 | 0:04:19 | |
and the songs are really funny as well and clever. | 0:04:19 | 0:04:22 | |
# With my little ukulele in my hand | 0:04:22 | 0:04:25 | |
# Of course the people do not understand | 0:04:25 | 0:04:29 | |
# Some say, "Why don't you be a Scout?" # | 0:04:29 | 0:04:31 | |
Formby's clever double entendres proved a little too risque | 0:04:31 | 0:04:35 | |
for the BBC and his song With My Little Ukulele In My Hand | 0:04:35 | 0:04:39 | |
was the first to be withdrawn from the BBC playlist, | 0:04:39 | 0:04:42 | |
until he changed the title to My Ukulele. | 0:04:42 | 0:04:46 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:04:46 | 0:04:48 | |
Thank you. And now I'm going to sing a song | 0:04:48 | 0:04:50 | |
and they're going to make a film of it at the same time, | 0:04:50 | 0:04:53 | |
so if you see any flashing, don't take any notice, you see. | 0:04:53 | 0:04:56 | |
But he was soon at it again with My Little Stick of Blackpool Rock. | 0:04:59 | 0:05:03 | |
# One afternoon, the band conductor up on his stand | 0:05:03 | 0:05:07 | |
# Somehow lost his baton, it flew out of his hand | 0:05:07 | 0:05:11 | |
# So I jumped in his place and then conducted the band | 0:05:11 | 0:05:14 | |
# With me little stick of Blackpool rock. # | 0:05:14 | 0:05:17 | |
This time it wasn't just the title, but whole verses | 0:05:17 | 0:05:21 | |
that deeply offended the committee. | 0:05:21 | 0:05:24 | |
Blackpool Rock, we're being led inevitably to one phallic conclusion, aren't we? | 0:05:24 | 0:05:30 | |
Extraordinary to think... Perhaps he just thought after Ukulele, "Oh, sod it. | 0:05:30 | 0:05:34 | |
"I'll make the most explicit thing..." And, of course, | 0:05:34 | 0:05:37 | |
there's Blackpool in there and the seaside and the postcards. | 0:05:37 | 0:05:40 | |
And I guess at that point he's playing to his public as well. | 0:05:40 | 0:05:42 | |
# A girl while bathing come to me and shouted out, "Oh!" | 0:05:42 | 0:05:45 | |
# She said, "I think I'm drowning and you'll save me, I know" | 0:05:45 | 0:05:49 | |
# I said, "Well, if you're drowning do you mind letting go | 0:05:49 | 0:05:53 | |
# "Of me little stick of Blackpool rock?" # | 0:05:53 | 0:05:56 | |
George Formby always has a giggle in the voice | 0:05:56 | 0:06:00 | |
and, in a way, that's why he gets away with it, | 0:06:00 | 0:06:03 | |
because it's very tongue-in-cheek, | 0:06:03 | 0:06:05 | |
he's not being graphically pervy, | 0:06:05 | 0:06:08 | |
he's actually just, "Come on, it's a giggle." | 0:06:08 | 0:06:11 | |
Lord Reith of the BBC was brought in to this, the Director General, | 0:06:11 | 0:06:15 | |
and his view was, OK, George Formby does this sort of thing in the cinema | 0:06:15 | 0:06:20 | |
and people can pay and go and see him do these songs and that's fine, | 0:06:20 | 0:06:24 | |
but radio, as it was then, is for everyone | 0:06:24 | 0:06:28 | |
and is coming into everybody's homes | 0:06:28 | 0:06:31 | |
and therefore, you don't know who's going to listen to it | 0:06:31 | 0:06:34 | |
and so we can't have these songs on air. | 0:06:34 | 0:06:37 | |
# I had my photo taken once, it cost one and three | 0:06:37 | 0:06:40 | |
# I said when it was done, "Is that supposed to me?" | 0:06:40 | 0:06:43 | |
# "You probably mucked it up, the only thing I can see | 0:06:43 | 0:06:47 | |
# "Is me little stick of Blackpool rock." # | 0:06:47 | 0:06:50 | |
-MAN: -'This is the National Programme from London.' | 0:06:50 | 0:06:53 | |
The BBC at that time was... | 0:06:55 | 0:06:57 | |
certainly saw itself as a moral guardian, | 0:06:57 | 0:07:00 | |
against what they called the "rhythms of the jungle" | 0:07:00 | 0:07:05 | |
or more unedifying aspects of culture. | 0:07:05 | 0:07:10 | |
I think what was going on there was almost censorship | 0:07:10 | 0:07:15 | |
of working class expression and popular music. | 0:07:15 | 0:07:19 | |
The two most popular film stars in England overall in the '30s | 0:07:19 | 0:07:24 | |
were George Formby and Gracie Fields. | 0:07:24 | 0:07:26 | |
But they came from North of the line, it was a Northern humour, | 0:07:26 | 0:07:28 | |
it was a music hall humour, it wasn't Southern variety. | 0:07:28 | 0:07:32 | |
It wasn't a comfortable night out in the West End, | 0:07:32 | 0:07:34 | |
which is where the BBC positioned itself. | 0:07:34 | 0:07:36 | |
Well, I guess, they thought if George Formby was singing the Latin names of plants, that'd be OK, | 0:07:36 | 0:07:40 | |
but he must be up to something, you know what these Northerner are like, always trying to get one over you. | 0:07:40 | 0:07:45 | |
It's a particularly interesting example of censorship in a way, | 0:07:45 | 0:07:48 | |
it's class, it's a form of entertainment | 0:07:48 | 0:07:51 | |
that was thought to be beyond the pale, from the point of view of middle class audiences, | 0:07:51 | 0:07:55 | |
and it's not in the consensus, it's too kind of subversive, the music hall. | 0:07:55 | 0:08:00 | |
They're as conflicted, I think, the establishment, about this issue, as they are about sex. | 0:08:00 | 0:08:03 | |
They're a very well-meaning group of people, I think, | 0:08:03 | 0:08:07 | |
who want to be liberal and progressive, | 0:08:07 | 0:08:10 | |
but at the same ,time something in them kind of baulks a bit | 0:08:10 | 0:08:13 | |
at Formby and his little stick of Blackpool rock. | 0:08:13 | 0:08:17 | |
# It may be sticky, but I never complain | 0:08:17 | 0:08:20 | |
# It's nice to have a nibble at it now and again. # | 0:08:20 | 0:08:24 | |
NEEDLE SCRATCHES | 0:08:24 | 0:08:26 | |
What to play and not to play when Britain's at war | 0:08:29 | 0:08:32 | |
has always been one of the toughest decisions for the BBC. | 0:08:32 | 0:08:35 | |
During the Gulf War of 1991 | 0:08:35 | 0:08:39 | |
the BBC released an extraordinary list of songs | 0:08:39 | 0:08:42 | |
they feared could upset listeners. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:44 | |
These included anything which suggested bombs... | 0:08:44 | 0:08:48 | |
# My heart goes boom-bang-a-bang... # | 0:08:48 | 0:08:51 | |
-..nuclear weapons... -# Atomic! # | 0:08:51 | 0:08:54 | |
-..Middle Eastern countries... -# Walk like an Egyptian. # | 0:08:54 | 0:08:58 | |
..and in fact, any British battle in the last 150 years. | 0:08:58 | 0:09:03 | |
# Waterloo | 0:09:03 | 0:09:05 | |
# I was defeated, you won the war. # | 0:09:05 | 0:09:08 | |
There'll be something to get offended about in every pop record probably, | 0:09:08 | 0:09:11 | |
that's why it's good! | 0:09:11 | 0:09:13 | |
On the outbreak of the Second World War in 1939, | 0:09:16 | 0:09:19 | |
the Dance Music Policy Committee | 0:09:19 | 0:09:21 | |
felt the biggest threat to the nation's morale was.....crooners. | 0:09:21 | 0:09:26 | |
# Light a candle in the chapel... # | 0:09:26 | 0:09:33 | |
PHONE RINGS | 0:09:33 | 0:09:35 | |
This song by Ol' Blue Eyes, Frank Sinatra, | 0:09:35 | 0:09:38 | |
was banned for being "nauseatingly sentimental". | 0:09:38 | 0:09:42 | |
But the song that makes it onto our Most Dangerous list | 0:09:42 | 0:09:45 | |
is Bing Crosby with... | 0:09:45 | 0:09:48 | |
# I'll be home for Christmas. # | 0:09:48 | 0:09:53 | |
Bing Crosby was the first star of the microphone age. | 0:09:54 | 0:09:57 | |
I mean, it's said with Bing that... | 0:09:57 | 0:10:00 | |
he developed the art of intimate singing. | 0:10:00 | 0:10:04 | |
People were using megaphones before then, | 0:10:04 | 0:10:06 | |
you couldn't be really romantic with a megaphone. | 0:10:06 | 0:10:09 | |
The singers got a little bit more light and shade into their singing, | 0:10:09 | 0:10:13 | |
they were able to tell the story, | 0:10:13 | 0:10:14 | |
they didn't just have to hit the back wall, | 0:10:14 | 0:10:16 | |
and the crooner was born, | 0:10:16 | 0:10:18 | |
the singers that just had the suave, sophisticated, rich voices. | 0:10:18 | 0:10:23 | |
They could use airy tones, they could use the voice like a paint palette. | 0:10:23 | 0:10:27 | |
So there is Bing Crosby with the most beautiful voice. | 0:10:27 | 0:10:31 | |
# Christmas Eve... # | 0:10:31 | 0:10:33 | |
In I'll Be Home For Christmas, | 0:10:33 | 0:10:34 | |
Bing's dulcet tones tell the story of a soldier | 0:10:34 | 0:10:37 | |
writing to tell his family he'll be home for the holidays. | 0:10:37 | 0:10:41 | |
So, jingle those bells and nog those eggs. | 0:10:41 | 0:10:45 | |
# I'll be home... # | 0:10:45 | 0:10:49 | |
And then, just as he's nearing the end of the chorus, | 0:10:49 | 0:10:52 | |
Bing hits us where it hurts. | 0:10:52 | 0:10:54 | |
# If only in my dreams. # | 0:10:54 | 0:11:02 | |
With this song, I'll Be Home For Christmas, | 0:11:04 | 0:11:07 | |
he just over-eggs the melancholy. | 0:11:07 | 0:11:09 | |
Cos his voice does have that slight sadness to it, | 0:11:09 | 0:11:12 | |
but it just wasn't right. This is not the song that Britain's wants, | 0:11:12 | 0:11:15 | |
we want "We'll meet again, I don't know where, don't know when, | 0:11:15 | 0:11:18 | |
"but I know we'll meet again." We want positive songs. | 0:11:18 | 0:11:21 | |
You wouldn't think Bing Crosby was in any way subversive, | 0:11:21 | 0:11:24 | |
but at that moment, in that particular context, | 0:11:24 | 0:11:27 | |
he was thought to be subversive. | 0:11:27 | 0:11:29 | |
It's partly...England/Hollywood, | 0:11:29 | 0:11:33 | |
but I think particularly it was, you know, against the Americanisation of emotion. | 0:11:33 | 0:11:39 | |
I don't think the BBC liked that at all. | 0:11:39 | 0:11:41 | |
There's a very good example on the file here | 0:11:41 | 0:11:44 | |
that shows you exactly what the BBC | 0:11:44 | 0:11:47 | |
thought about slushy songs during wartime. | 0:11:47 | 0:11:50 | |
"We have recently adopted a policy of excluding sickly sentimentality | 0:11:53 | 0:11:57 | |
"which, particularly when sung by certain vocalists, | 0:11:57 | 0:12:01 | |
"can become nauseating and not at all in keeping with what we feel | 0:12:01 | 0:12:05 | |
"to be the need of the public in this country in the fourth year of the war." | 0:12:05 | 0:12:10 | |
# Would you like to swing on a star? # | 0:12:10 | 0:12:13 | |
I think it's interesting that the BBC took such a negative view of crooners, | 0:12:13 | 0:12:17 | |
because actually, there was - # You got me swinging on a star. # | 0:12:17 | 0:12:20 | |
We don't what sentimentality, we don't want sadness. | 0:12:20 | 0:12:24 | |
So I think it was partly that they were uncertain about these men crooning songs, | 0:12:24 | 0:12:29 | |
but I think it was also just contextualising it | 0:12:29 | 0:12:32 | |
to what was happening at that point in our country. | 0:12:32 | 0:12:35 | |
Over in the States, however, it was a very different story. | 0:12:35 | 0:12:38 | |
In 1943, I'll Be Home For Christmas | 0:12:38 | 0:12:41 | |
peaked at No.3 in the US Billboard charts. | 0:12:41 | 0:12:44 | |
And by the end of the war, Crosby topped a list of people | 0:12:44 | 0:12:47 | |
who'd actually done more for GI morale than anyone else, | 0:12:47 | 0:12:51 | |
ahead of President Roosevelt and General Eisenhower. | 0:12:51 | 0:12:55 | |
Our next song was originally written in pre-war Berlin by Kurt Weill and Bertolt Brecht | 0:12:58 | 0:13:03 | |
for their dark musical play The Threepenny Opera, | 0:13:03 | 0:13:06 | |
but it went on to become part of the Great American Songbook. | 0:13:06 | 0:13:10 | |
Carving out a place in our dangerous chart | 0:13:10 | 0:13:13 | |
is Louis Armstrong's 1956 version of Mack The Knife. | 0:13:13 | 0:13:17 | |
# Oh, the shark has pretty teeth, dear... # | 0:13:17 | 0:13:22 | |
It's a fantastic piece of really evocative theatrical writing. | 0:13:22 | 0:13:26 | |
It was written to introduce the character of Macheath, | 0:13:28 | 0:13:31 | |
who is himself based on a highwayman from The Beggar's Opera of 1728. | 0:13:31 | 0:13:36 | |
So, huge amounts of culture in this | 0:13:36 | 0:13:38 | |
and was sung by a character on the left of the stage with a barrel organ | 0:13:38 | 0:13:42 | |
who introduces the idea of the catalogue of violent crimes that this individual is capable of. | 0:13:42 | 0:13:49 | |
What Brecht did was he brought together John Gay's Beggar's Opera and Jack the Ripper, | 0:13:49 | 0:13:54 | |
the Whitechapel Murders, and so, Macheath, Mack, Jack, | 0:13:54 | 0:13:58 | |
and so there's all this talk of knives and the backstreets of Whitechapel, | 0:13:58 | 0:14:03 | |
Jenny Towler getting hers and all the rest of it. | 0:14:03 | 0:14:06 | |
It was first translated, I think, in 1933, went to America and was a flop, | 0:14:08 | 0:14:14 | |
there was another translation in '54 which was a hit on Broadway. | 0:14:14 | 0:14:19 | |
And sitting in the audience for this off-Broadway show | 0:14:19 | 0:14:23 | |
was music producer George Avakian. | 0:14:23 | 0:14:26 | |
I tried to persuade musician after musician | 0:14:26 | 0:14:29 | |
to do an instrumental version of Mack The Knife, | 0:14:29 | 0:14:33 | |
all of whom rejected. "It's too simple. | 0:14:33 | 0:14:36 | |
"It's only eight bars over and over again with key changes." | 0:14:36 | 0:14:39 | |
I said, "Yeah, that's why you can do so much with it." | 0:14:39 | 0:14:41 | |
It never occurred to me to do it vocally, | 0:14:41 | 0:14:44 | |
because I thought, "Who's going to listen to words about blood flowing all over the place, | 0:14:44 | 0:14:49 | |
"people getting killed?" | 0:14:49 | 0:14:51 | |
But it was Turk Murphy who said to me, when I told him about this | 0:14:51 | 0:14:55 | |
and played him the original cast recording of the show, | 0:14:55 | 0:15:01 | |
"I'll do it if you want me to, but somebody else should do it, | 0:15:01 | 0:15:05 | |
"somebody who can do it better than me." And I said, "Who's that?" | 0:15:05 | 0:15:08 | |
That somebody was none other | 0:15:08 | 0:15:11 | |
than American jazz trumpeter and singer, Louis Armstrong. | 0:15:11 | 0:15:15 | |
# Start to spread... | 0:15:15 | 0:15:17 | |
Well, Armstrong came from a fantastically complicated | 0:15:17 | 0:15:20 | |
and difficult background himself. Very, very... I think his mother was a prostitute, | 0:15:20 | 0:15:25 | |
his grandmother was a prostitute, he came from a very violent background in New Orleans | 0:15:25 | 0:15:28 | |
and worked his way out of that through show business. | 0:15:28 | 0:15:31 | |
So the background of it wouldn't have been completely unfamiliar to him, | 0:15:31 | 0:15:34 | |
but I think the thing that would have really attracted him | 0:15:34 | 0:15:36 | |
was not just the fact that it was a hit, it's a really theatrical piece | 0:15:36 | 0:15:39 | |
and he was a very, very theatrical singer, brilliantly expressive, | 0:15:39 | 0:15:44 | |
could appear to play several parts, | 0:15:44 | 0:15:47 | |
great voices, great ways | 0:15:47 | 0:15:48 | |
of expressing different characters within songs. | 0:15:48 | 0:15:52 | |
It's just a drama, a fantastic drama. | 0:15:52 | 0:15:54 | |
# Oh, the shark has pretty teeth, dear... # | 0:15:55 | 0:16:00 | |
I can see how the melody and the feel of the song, | 0:16:00 | 0:16:03 | |
I think it's that that probably would have attracted him as a musician. | 0:16:03 | 0:16:07 | |
# Just a jack-knife has Macheath, dear | 0:16:07 | 0:16:11 | |
# And he keeps it out of sight. # | 0:16:11 | 0:16:15 | |
There's so many opportunities to scat all over that song, | 0:16:15 | 0:16:18 | |
the timings of it, the way it pulls and gives and... | 0:16:18 | 0:16:22 | |
So I think for him, just the jazz feel of it sat with him completely. | 0:16:22 | 0:16:27 | |
Armstrong's version entered the British charts in March, 1956, | 0:16:27 | 0:16:32 | |
but the pop transformation of Macheath, the cut-throat killer, | 0:16:32 | 0:16:36 | |
into the convivial sounding Old Mackie still proved perilous for the BBC. | 0:16:36 | 0:16:41 | |
They quickly banned all vocal versions of the song | 0:16:41 | 0:16:45 | |
unless the context of the original opera was made clear. | 0:16:45 | 0:16:49 | |
I can understand why it was banned, | 0:16:49 | 0:16:52 | |
because the lyric, lest we forget, | 0:16:52 | 0:16:54 | |
talks about the pearly white teeth of a shark | 0:16:54 | 0:16:57 | |
and compares these to our character, lurking suspiciously on street corners | 0:16:57 | 0:17:02 | |
and with a jack-knife in his pocket. | 0:17:02 | 0:17:06 | |
And fairly soon, whenever Mack The Knife is out, | 0:17:06 | 0:17:09 | |
"Scarlet billows start to flow," a fantastic line, | 0:17:09 | 0:17:14 | |
and then later on in a very spooky verse, | 0:17:14 | 0:17:16 | |
it says, "On a sidewalk..." | 0:17:16 | 0:17:18 | |
# Oh, on the sidewalk, sunny morning... # | 0:17:18 | 0:17:22 | |
..sunny morning, it's a brilliant line, what can go wrong? | 0:17:22 | 0:17:26 | |
"There's a body, oozing life." | 0:17:26 | 0:17:29 | |
And later on, there are cement bags that have been dropped off a boat. | 0:17:29 | 0:17:33 | |
# And the cement is for the weight, dear... # | 0:17:33 | 0:17:39 | |
You're told that that's not the content of the bags, | 0:17:39 | 0:17:41 | |
but the cement is to weight them down, so there's no possible misunderstanding | 0:17:41 | 0:17:45 | |
that this is about a very, very sinister, serial criminal. | 0:17:45 | 0:17:49 | |
The lyric of Mack The Knife is very much to do with knives. | 0:17:49 | 0:17:51 | |
There was certainly a moral panic in the mid-'50s about knife crime | 0:17:51 | 0:17:54 | |
and spivs and razor blades. | 0:17:54 | 0:17:57 | |
# ..you Macheath, back in town, yeah! # | 0:17:57 | 0:18:03 | |
But despite its violent overtones, | 0:18:03 | 0:18:06 | |
Armstrong's Mackie climbed up the charts. | 0:18:06 | 0:18:09 | |
Then the BBC did a U-turn and the song was reprieved. | 0:18:09 | 0:18:13 | |
The BBC can be a moral guardian, but if everyone out there buys the record, | 0:18:13 | 0:18:17 | |
suddenly they're seen as against the trend of democracy, | 0:18:17 | 0:18:20 | |
against the trend of populism. | 0:18:20 | 0:18:22 | |
And they don't want to be seen as too sniffy - "It's all right then, | 0:18:22 | 0:18:26 | |
"it's a hit, we'll allow it on the radio." So that's what happened. | 0:18:26 | 0:18:29 | |
# Sweet Lucy Brown. # | 0:18:29 | 0:18:33 | |
So despite it being banned as a stand-alone song, | 0:18:33 | 0:18:37 | |
it's...it's re-emerged. | 0:18:37 | 0:18:39 | |
I mean, it's been covered so many times and is part of the Great American Songbook. | 0:18:39 | 0:18:43 | |
# ..back in town! # | 0:18:43 | 0:18:48 | |
The BBC may have eventually surrendered to the popularity of Armstrong's toe-tapping Mackie, | 0:18:48 | 0:18:53 | |
but with the emergence of rock 'n' roll and highly hormonal teenagers, | 0:18:53 | 0:18:58 | |
they had other things to worry about. | 0:18:58 | 0:19:01 | |
Next up, it's The Shangri-La's with Leader of the Pack. | 0:19:01 | 0:19:05 | |
# Is she really going out with him? | 0:19:05 | 0:19:08 | |
# Well, there she is, let's ask her. | 0:19:08 | 0:19:10 | |
# Betty, is that Jimmy's ring you're wearing? | 0:19:10 | 0:19:12 | |
Uh-huh. | 0:19:12 | 0:19:13 | |
There was a culture in the late '50s and early '60s | 0:19:13 | 0:19:15 | |
for these teen tragedy songs or death discs or splatter platters, | 0:19:15 | 0:19:19 | |
I'm afraid they were called, rather horrendously, by some of the people who wrote them. | 0:19:19 | 0:19:23 | |
# Gee, it must be great riding with him | 0:19:23 | 0:19:25 | |
# Is he picking you up after school today? | 0:19:25 | 0:19:29 | |
Uh-uh. | 0:19:29 | 0:19:30 | |
Probably the reason that death discs started was down to the death of Buddy Holly. | 0:19:30 | 0:19:35 | |
Because it is said that... a lot of the songwriters were in the Brill Building in New York, | 0:19:35 | 0:19:40 | |
they would go and have their breakfast | 0:19:40 | 0:19:43 | |
at Jack Dempsey's restaurant in New York | 0:19:43 | 0:19:47 | |
and the news came in that Buddy Holly had been killed in a plane crash | 0:19:47 | 0:19:51 | |
and the restaurant just...emptied immediately | 0:19:51 | 0:19:55 | |
as all these songwriters went back to their cubicles | 0:19:55 | 0:19:58 | |
to write songs about Buddy Holly, The Big Bopper and Richie Valens. | 0:19:58 | 0:20:02 | |
# Teen angel, can you hear me? # | 0:20:02 | 0:20:06 | |
# The girl I loved and lost a year ago. # | 0:20:06 | 0:20:10 | |
They're driven by a very commercial cocktail of love, death, | 0:20:10 | 0:20:16 | |
fate and most crucially, guilt. | 0:20:16 | 0:20:21 | |
So the stories are broadly the same, boy and girl fall in love, | 0:20:21 | 0:20:25 | |
boy and girl have an argument or they are forced to split up, | 0:20:25 | 0:20:28 | |
and this ends in the tragic and violent death of the boy. | 0:20:28 | 0:20:31 | |
And it's the girl's fault. | 0:20:31 | 0:20:34 | |
And often it was girls who were singing about it. | 0:20:34 | 0:20:37 | |
# He said to me he wanted to be near to... # | 0:20:37 | 0:20:41 | |
There was a lot of anxiety about these teen death songs, | 0:20:41 | 0:20:46 | |
it was girl talk, | 0:20:46 | 0:20:47 | |
it was the first time that young women sang about their lives, the truth of their lives. | 0:20:47 | 0:20:53 | |
Women had a lot more freedom | 0:20:53 | 0:20:54 | |
and a lot more sexual freedom than their parents' generation. | 0:20:54 | 0:20:58 | |
# That's when I fell for the leader of the pack. # | 0:20:58 | 0:21:02 | |
The Shangri-Las, they were seen as a bit more edgy, | 0:21:02 | 0:21:07 | |
a bit more gritty than a lot of the girl groups, | 0:21:07 | 0:21:10 | |
they had a slightly more aggressive image, | 0:21:10 | 0:21:14 | |
they sang with this real New York twang, they were seen as really hip, | 0:21:14 | 0:21:20 | |
they were the girl gang that you wanted to hang out with. | 0:21:20 | 0:21:23 | |
Leader of the Pack is a fantastic song, | 0:21:23 | 0:21:27 | |
it's the sound of it, the vocal sound on that song is so identifiable | 0:21:27 | 0:21:33 | |
that you can only hear the Shangri-La's version. | 0:21:33 | 0:21:36 | |
It is brilliant. And it's gone on to be, I think it's Rolling Stone's Top 500. | 0:21:36 | 0:21:41 | |
It's in the top 500 songs of all time, it's that strong a song. | 0:21:41 | 0:21:47 | |
It was written by Shadow Morton, he always said, very quickly. | 0:21:47 | 0:21:50 | |
He wrote it in several minutes on a piece of cardboard with his children's crayons while drunk. | 0:21:50 | 0:21:55 | |
But it's a brilliant and really cynical piece of writing, | 0:21:55 | 0:21:57 | |
cos it starts off with this scene of unimaginable innocence. | 0:21:57 | 0:22:00 | |
Where do they meet? | 0:22:00 | 0:22:02 | |
# I met him at the candy store | 0:22:02 | 0:22:04 | |
# He turned around and smiled at me You get the picture? # | 0:22:04 | 0:22:07 | |
And two a half minutes later, | 0:22:07 | 0:22:09 | |
this guy's dead in a motorcycle accident on a wet road. | 0:22:09 | 0:22:12 | |
And he's dead because her parents have intervened | 0:22:12 | 0:22:15 | |
and said she cannot possibly go out with this boy | 0:22:15 | 0:22:18 | |
because he's from the wrong side of the town, another important dimension to these songs, | 0:22:18 | 0:22:22 | |
it's all about good girls going out with bad boys. | 0:22:22 | 0:22:25 | |
And there is nothing more emblematic of a bad boy than a motorbike. | 0:22:25 | 0:22:28 | |
# They said he came from the wrong side of town... # | 0:22:29 | 0:22:36 | |
So Leader of the Pack was a big hit | 0:22:36 | 0:22:38 | |
and this coincided with a lot of conflict between mods and rockers. | 0:22:38 | 0:22:42 | |
That was when there was the big fight on Brighton sea front | 0:22:42 | 0:22:46 | |
and there was a lot of anxiety amongst parents | 0:22:46 | 0:22:49 | |
about their kids getting involved in violent subcultures, | 0:22:49 | 0:22:53 | |
parents worried about their daughters travelling on the back of motorbikes, getting into danger. | 0:22:53 | 0:23:01 | |
There was a kind of thing about the biker culture, | 0:23:01 | 0:23:03 | |
so the cult of death within bikes was, I think, yeah, something that the BBC got quite worried about. | 0:23:03 | 0:23:09 | |
Trying to define the borders of youth culture on behalf of youth. | 0:23:09 | 0:23:13 | |
The BBC described Leader of the Pack as a "horror" | 0:23:14 | 0:23:17 | |
and banned it from both radio and television, | 0:23:17 | 0:23:20 | |
but it still reached No.11 in the UK charts | 0:23:20 | 0:23:23 | |
as lovesick girls across Britain rushed out to buy the single | 0:23:23 | 0:23:27 | |
and listen to the alluring roar of a bad boy on a bike. | 0:23:27 | 0:23:31 | |
# That's why I fell for the leader of the pack. # | 0:23:31 | 0:23:35 | |
By the mid-'60s, the BBC's Dance Music Policy Committee was disbanded | 0:23:40 | 0:23:45 | |
and it was left to the discretion of individual producers to | 0:23:45 | 0:23:49 | |
monitor this new pop culture. | 0:23:49 | 0:23:51 | |
# Lucy in the sky with diamonds. # | 0:23:51 | 0:23:52 | |
It wasn't just hemlines that were getting higher - | 0:23:52 | 0:23:55 | |
the nation's favourite boy band was a major cause for concern. | 0:23:55 | 0:23:59 | |
Next up, it's The Beatles and A Day In The Life. | 0:24:01 | 0:24:04 | |
# I read the news today, oh, boy. # | 0:24:04 | 0:24:08 | |
By '67, all kinds of things were coming together, | 0:24:08 | 0:24:11 | |
there's a growing political unease, | 0:24:11 | 0:24:14 | |
young working class, non-metropolitan, non-London people | 0:24:14 | 0:24:19 | |
have started to get their records played on the radio. | 0:24:19 | 0:24:21 | |
MUSIC: "Eight Miles High" by The Byrds | 0:24:21 | 0:24:23 | |
There is a real sense of generational change. | 0:24:23 | 0:24:27 | |
This is the first generation in Britain who've not had conscription. | 0:24:27 | 0:24:31 | |
Basically, in the '60s, young people finally had enough money to buy records, to buy clothes. | 0:24:35 | 0:24:41 | |
They couldn't buy a house or a car or anything, | 0:24:41 | 0:24:43 | |
but the austerity of the post-war period had now gone, | 0:24:43 | 0:24:47 | |
there was mass employment. | 0:24:47 | 0:24:49 | |
Instead of it all being run by old people, now it was the young people who were taking over. | 0:24:49 | 0:24:53 | |
MUSIC: "Purple Haze" by Jimi Hendrix | 0:24:53 | 0:24:57 | |
The counter culture...it's more common now, | 0:24:57 | 0:25:00 | |
but then, it really was just a few people really experimenting | 0:25:00 | 0:25:05 | |
and experimenting with different ways to live your life, | 0:25:05 | 0:25:09 | |
sexual liberation and gay liberation, | 0:25:09 | 0:25:11 | |
and that was all there, simmering under the surface. | 0:25:11 | 0:25:15 | |
So I think the BBC, in its status as moral guardian, probably felt, | 0:25:15 | 0:25:19 | |
"We mustn't... We've got to be really careful with this," | 0:25:19 | 0:25:22 | |
and felt very nervous about its power. | 0:25:22 | 0:25:26 | |
I think '67 was when music moved from being just part of the entertainment business, variety, | 0:25:28 | 0:25:34 | |
and moved into an area where it began to be taken seriously as an art form, | 0:25:34 | 0:25:40 | |
in other words, it carried messages. | 0:25:40 | 0:25:42 | |
# Everyone smiles as you drift past the flowers... # | 0:25:42 | 0:25:47 | |
I think psychedelic, as far as the establishment was concerned, | 0:25:47 | 0:25:50 | |
was something a bit threatening, | 0:25:50 | 0:25:53 | |
it was something which would change the normal perceptions of the world, | 0:25:53 | 0:25:57 | |
something that would threaten the status quo. | 0:25:57 | 0:26:00 | |
And particularly the BBC as the ultimate example of the status quo, | 0:26:00 | 0:26:05 | |
really didn't like the sound of that at all. | 0:26:05 | 0:26:08 | |
In the summer of '67, The Beatles released | 0:26:09 | 0:26:11 | |
their own psychedelically inspired album, Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band, | 0:26:11 | 0:26:16 | |
which went straight in at No.1 in the album charts. | 0:26:16 | 0:26:19 | |
# Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band! # | 0:26:19 | 0:26:25 | |
I knew The Beatles back then | 0:26:25 | 0:26:27 | |
and I did go to quite a lot of Sergeant Pepper sessions. | 0:26:27 | 0:26:30 | |
It was really an attempt to get away from the old image of the Fab Four and the mop tops and all of that | 0:26:31 | 0:26:37 | |
and consequently they invented a new persona, they were Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Heart Clubs Band. | 0:26:37 | 0:26:43 | |
That was the real peak of their psychedelic era | 0:26:45 | 0:26:48 | |
where they were exploring through drugs the real transformation of consciousness. | 0:26:48 | 0:26:55 | |
It's kaleidoscopic, it's lovely, it's full of great tunes. | 0:26:55 | 0:26:58 | |
The whole idea is the concept of a vaudevillian band, | 0:26:58 | 0:27:02 | |
but it's all infused with the heady smell of illegal substances | 0:27:02 | 0:27:06 | |
and, you know, the slightly bright colours of LSD. | 0:27:06 | 0:27:10 | |
# Woke up, got out of bed... # | 0:27:10 | 0:27:14 | |
Strangely, on an entire album influenced by the band's mind-expanding experimentation, | 0:27:14 | 0:27:20 | |
it was just the final track, A Day In The Life, that came under the BBC's moral microscope. | 0:27:20 | 0:27:27 | |
Just running upstairs on a bus and lighting up a cigarette. | 0:27:27 | 0:27:31 | |
That's exactly what my generation did, you could still smoke upstairs in buses. | 0:27:31 | 0:27:34 | |
They're kind of parodying the straight life, | 0:27:34 | 0:27:38 | |
the life that they saw their parents have, that they don't want to have. | 0:27:38 | 0:27:43 | |
After lengthy correspondence with Joseph Lockwood at EMI, | 0:27:43 | 0:27:48 | |
the BBC banned the song for what they believed to be a drug reference in just one line... | 0:27:48 | 0:27:53 | |
# I'd love to turn you on. # | 0:27:53 | 0:27:59 | |
The banning of this song, it wasn't just about the drugs reference, | 0:27:59 | 0:28:02 | |
it was also an underlying fear about an attack on the establishment, essentially. | 0:28:02 | 0:28:09 | |
And I think the fact that it ends on that massive, cacophonous E major chord right at the end | 0:28:09 | 0:28:16 | |
with all the orchestra just going completely bonkers, I think it really was subversive. | 0:28:16 | 0:28:22 | |
Younger people at the time were saying, "We don't understand this and we love it." | 0:28:22 | 0:28:26 | |
I think some of the establishment were thinking, "We don't understand this and we fear it." | 0:28:26 | 0:28:30 | |
It's like that Dylan line. There's something going on here, but you don't know what it is, Mr Jones." | 0:28:30 | 0:28:34 | |
The BBC were being deeply paranoid, I think, | 0:28:34 | 0:28:36 | |
also, they missed half the other songs that had drug references, there were sex references, | 0:28:36 | 0:28:40 | |
so those crept through OK and no-one seemed to go mad and have orgies in the streets. | 0:28:40 | 0:28:46 | |
In fact, another song on Sergeant Pepper did slip under the BBC's radar. | 0:28:48 | 0:28:52 | |
# Lucy in the sky with diamonds | 0:28:52 | 0:28:56 | |
# Lucy in the sky with diamonds. # | 0:28:57 | 0:29:01 | |
It genuinely did come from a childhood drawing by Julian Lennon. | 0:29:03 | 0:29:07 | |
He was then about four, I think, just going to a nursery school | 0:29:07 | 0:29:10 | |
and one of his classmates was a girl called Lucy. | 0:29:10 | 0:29:15 | |
And he did this drawing and his teacher asked him what it was called | 0:29:15 | 0:29:18 | |
and he said, "It's Lucy in the sky with diamonds." | 0:29:18 | 0:29:20 | |
And the teacher then wrote it across the top, he was too young to write, of course. | 0:29:20 | 0:29:24 | |
And Lennon had this wonderful drawing on his wall and it said, "Lucy in the sky with diamonds." | 0:29:24 | 0:29:29 | |
And it was only later after they had actually recorded it, | 0:29:29 | 0:29:32 | |
according to McCartney, that they suddenly realised, "Oh, no, LSD! They're bound to read that into it!" | 0:29:32 | 0:29:38 | |
I've never believed that...for a moment. | 0:29:38 | 0:29:41 | |
And I don't think Lennon is the sort of guy | 0:29:41 | 0:29:43 | |
who would have resisted the rather obvious joke either, you know what I mean? | 0:29:43 | 0:29:47 | |
So I think it's a record about drugs | 0:29:47 | 0:29:50 | |
written by a man who's been taking a lot of drugs. | 0:29:50 | 0:29:52 | |
# Lucy in the sky with diamonds... # | 0:29:52 | 0:29:55 | |
NEEDLE SCRATCHES | 0:29:55 | 0:29:57 | |
Drugs, sex, death discs - ultimately, minor misdemeanours. | 0:30:01 | 0:30:06 | |
When it comes to the censorship of popular music, | 0:30:06 | 0:30:09 | |
there's one murky backwater that the BBC simply refuses to tolerate - | 0:30:09 | 0:30:14 | |
product placement. | 0:30:14 | 0:30:16 | |
Among the many offenders... The Kinks. | 0:30:16 | 0:30:19 | |
# Just like cherry cola. # | 0:30:19 | 0:30:22 | |
Pink Floyd. | 0:30:22 | 0:30:24 | |
# The Daily Standard... # | 0:30:24 | 0:30:28 | |
-And Cliff Richard. -# ..in a Cadillac. # | 0:30:28 | 0:30:32 | |
But for their blatant attempt to get free underwear for a lifetime, | 0:30:32 | 0:30:37 | |
our next rock'n'roll delinquents are Mott the Hoople with All the Young Dudes. | 0:30:37 | 0:30:42 | |
The BBC wouldn't want to advertise a particular product. | 0:30:45 | 0:30:49 | |
And over the years there have been a lot of problems with that. | 0:30:49 | 0:30:52 | |
About 1932-3, Henry Hall made a record called The Wonderful Radio Times | 0:30:52 | 0:30:58 | |
and that was actually banned by the BBC. | 0:30:58 | 0:31:01 | |
And, in more recent times, you've had Dr Hook with The Cover of Rolling Stone | 0:31:01 | 0:31:06 | |
and that was banned. | 0:31:06 | 0:31:08 | |
You had Paul Simon, who had an American No.1 with Kodachrome, and the BBC banned that. | 0:31:08 | 0:31:13 | |
There is the rise of commercial television, the rise of commercial radio, | 0:31:18 | 0:31:22 | |
Radio Caroline, pirate radio and so on. | 0:31:22 | 0:31:24 | |
There's a particular sensitivity going on at that moment in the late '60s about advertising. | 0:31:24 | 0:31:31 | |
That if the BBC allows any kind of advertising in at any level, | 0:31:31 | 0:31:35 | |
then people will say, "What price the BBC?" | 0:31:35 | 0:31:38 | |
And, it's very...it's very late '60s but it spreads over into the '70s, | 0:31:38 | 0:31:43 | |
so there is this kind of... The moment they mention a product of any kind in whatever context, | 0:31:43 | 0:31:49 | |
we're absolutely terrified of being accused of advertising, of actually promoting that product. | 0:31:49 | 0:31:54 | |
In 1972, Mott the Hoople were failing to find success | 0:32:00 | 0:32:04 | |
and were on the verge of splitting. | 0:32:04 | 0:32:07 | |
Luckily, they had a famous fan who came to their rescue by donating one of his songs. | 0:32:07 | 0:32:13 | |
It was a song Bowie, I think, wanted for Ziggy Stardust, | 0:32:13 | 0:32:18 | |
part of the concept of Ziggy Stardust, | 0:32:18 | 0:32:19 | |
which is a post-apocalyptic world nearing its end - | 0:32:19 | 0:32:22 | |
the idea is that the kids are the last people left who know what's going on. | 0:32:22 | 0:32:27 | |
It's a bleak song, it's got melancholy, it's got... | 0:32:27 | 0:32:30 | |
It's an anthem, its anthemic. | 0:32:30 | 0:32:33 | |
They recorded it with the original lyric which was, you know, | 0:32:33 | 0:32:37 | |
"Stealing clothes from Marks & Sparks" | 0:32:37 | 0:32:39 | |
# And Wendy's stealing clothes from Marks & Sparks. # | 0:32:39 | 0:32:42 | |
He's not even saying Marks & Spencer's, he's saying Marks & Sparks, | 0:32:42 | 0:32:45 | |
there's this bleak song about an apocalyptic world on its last legs | 0:32:45 | 0:32:49 | |
and they think a line about stealing clothes from Marks & Sparks... | 0:32:49 | 0:32:52 | |
"Oh, that reminds me, I must get some new pyjamas." | 0:32:52 | 0:32:56 | |
The BBC refused to play the record unless the band substituted the offending lyrics. | 0:32:56 | 0:33:01 | |
Fortunately, they'd kept their receipt and went back to the writer to exchange the goods. | 0:33:01 | 0:33:08 | |
# And Wendy's stealing clothes from unlocked cars... # | 0:33:08 | 0:33:12 | |
The ad-free version went on to give them a top three hit. | 0:33:12 | 0:33:15 | |
# Yeah, I'm a dude, Dad. # | 0:33:15 | 0:33:19 | |
Sort of odd that you can steal clothes, | 0:33:19 | 0:33:21 | |
but you just can't steal 'em... You can steal 'em from parked cars but not from Marks & Sparks. | 0:33:21 | 0:33:24 | |
I think products actually overrides the moral issue from the early '70s onwards. | 0:33:24 | 0:33:30 | |
Whereas Reith would have seen the moral issue as the key one, | 0:33:30 | 0:33:34 | |
by the '60s, the moral issue is beginning to recede and the BBC is beginning to see it | 0:33:34 | 0:33:38 | |
as a bit naff to be the moral guardian of the nation. | 0:33:38 | 0:33:41 | |
# Carry the news... # | 0:33:41 | 0:33:43 | |
NEEDLE SCRATCHES | 0:33:43 | 0:33:45 | |
In the dark and dingy '70s, one band more than any other | 0:33:47 | 0:33:51 | |
was about to challenge the BBC's status as moral guardian. | 0:33:51 | 0:33:54 | |
As Royal fever hit a peak in 1977, along came the Sex Pistols | 0:33:54 | 0:33:59 | |
with anything but a tribute to the reigning monarch. | 0:33:59 | 0:34:03 | |
-It's God Save The Queen. -This is the great kind of fissure | 0:34:03 | 0:34:06 | |
that runs down the middle of the 1970s, | 0:34:06 | 0:34:08 | |
which is probably creatively in some ways, politically, creatively, culturally, | 0:34:08 | 0:34:13 | |
one of the most exciting, violent, turbulent, brilliant decades there's ever been. | 0:34:13 | 0:34:19 | |
We wanted peace and love and now we've got war, we've got Northern Ireland, | 0:34:19 | 0:34:24 | |
we've got problems all over the place. | 0:34:24 | 0:34:28 | |
It was a bit of a dump, basically. | 0:34:28 | 0:34:30 | |
I mean, I was...16, 17, | 0:34:30 | 0:34:34 | |
there was a whole bunch of stuff going on, | 0:34:34 | 0:34:37 | |
it was like the people who were supposed to be in charge of us | 0:34:37 | 0:34:40 | |
just didn't seem to know what they was doing, | 0:34:40 | 0:34:42 | |
there was strikes everywhere, there was power cuts, | 0:34:42 | 0:34:44 | |
there was just a bit of an air of despondency. | 0:34:44 | 0:34:47 | |
And then out of that comes punk rock, | 0:34:47 | 0:34:49 | |
because musically, nothing's reflecting that. | 0:34:49 | 0:34:51 | |
This was the necessary purgative force that was going to sort things out. | 0:34:51 | 0:34:54 | |
# I am a antichrist | 0:34:54 | 0:34:57 | |
# I am an anarchist. # | 0:34:57 | 0:35:01 | |
When we started out with the Sex Pistols, | 0:35:01 | 0:35:04 | |
we...didn't really know what we wanted to do, | 0:35:04 | 0:35:07 | |
we just knew what we didn't want to do. | 0:35:07 | 0:35:09 | |
I was the Head of the EMI Label Press Office. | 0:35:09 | 0:35:13 | |
In 1976, we signed them. | 0:35:13 | 0:35:15 | |
EMI, first and foremost, when they heard about this new band, | 0:35:15 | 0:35:18 | |
would have thought, "Kids will buy these records." | 0:35:18 | 0:35:20 | |
What matters most to EMI is money. | 0:35:20 | 0:35:22 | |
That's always been the deal with pop music. | 0:35:22 | 0:35:25 | |
The Sex Pistols released their debut single, Anarchy in the UK, in November, 1976. | 0:35:25 | 0:35:31 | |
It just sounded absolutely incredible, | 0:35:31 | 0:35:34 | |
we were just completely sold, hook, line and sinker. | 0:35:34 | 0:35:36 | |
It was exactly what we felt about everything. | 0:35:36 | 0:35:38 | |
Less than a week after its release, | 0:35:38 | 0:35:41 | |
he band made a last minute appearance on The Today Show with Bill Grundy | 0:35:41 | 0:35:45 | |
after fellow EMI signing Queen unexpectedly cancelled. | 0:35:45 | 0:35:49 | |
Go on, you've got another five seconds, say something outrageous. | 0:35:49 | 0:35:52 | |
You dirty bastard. | 0:35:52 | 0:35:54 | |
Keep going. Keep going. Go on, again. | 0:35:54 | 0:35:56 | |
-You dirty fucker. -What a clever boy. -What a fucking rotter. | 0:35:56 | 0:36:00 | |
I'll be seeing you soon. I hope I'm not seeing you again. | 0:36:00 | 0:36:03 | |
From me though, good night. | 0:36:03 | 0:36:05 | |
Their appearance on The Today Show resulted in Grundy himself being banned for two weeks | 0:36:05 | 0:36:10 | |
while the Sex Pistols were sworn into television folklore. | 0:36:10 | 0:36:14 | |
It was...kind of funny, it was a laugh, | 0:36:14 | 0:36:19 | |
it was a bit troubling. | 0:36:19 | 0:36:21 | |
There was no preparation for it whatsoever. | 0:36:21 | 0:36:23 | |
I mean, it is interesting that you look at the Sex Pistols now, arriving on television in '76-'77, | 0:36:23 | 0:36:28 | |
and it would still look provocative to this day, you know. | 0:36:28 | 0:36:32 | |
If you suddenly turned on the television and there was something looking like that, | 0:36:32 | 0:36:36 | |
with that look in the eyes, that sort of combination | 0:36:36 | 0:36:38 | |
of indifference and attention to some kind of detail | 0:36:38 | 0:36:42 | |
that nobody in their right mind could really consider what that was, | 0:36:42 | 0:36:45 | |
that was a tremendously futuristic moment, almost, | 0:36:45 | 0:36:48 | |
it completely carved open everything. | 0:36:48 | 0:36:51 | |
It was no wonder that it was quickly sat down upon, | 0:36:51 | 0:36:54 | |
cos it was...that was genuinely dangerous. | 0:36:54 | 0:36:56 | |
At that time to have a band on front of The Daily Mirror was incredible. | 0:36:56 | 0:37:00 | |
You know, this bloke kicks his telly in | 0:37:00 | 0:37:02 | |
because the Pistols swore on telly, how could any teenager refuse that? | 0:37:02 | 0:37:06 | |
The front of national newspapers saying this pop group are going to cause anarchy, | 0:37:06 | 0:37:12 | |
they're going to bring down the Government. Is your child a punk rocker? | 0:37:12 | 0:37:15 | |
And...they were terrified. | 0:37:15 | 0:37:17 | |
Anarchy In The UK got banned | 0:37:17 | 0:37:18 | |
and it got banned not because of the record. You know, it had already been played, | 0:37:18 | 0:37:22 | |
they were playing Anarchy In The UK quite happily. | 0:37:22 | 0:37:25 | |
It got banned simply because of the behaviour of the band on television. | 0:37:25 | 0:37:28 | |
# It's the only way to be! # | 0:37:29 | 0:37:32 | |
Leslie Hill, the manager, was instructed to fire them, | 0:37:32 | 0:37:34 | |
then off they went to A&M, where they lasted about a fortnight | 0:37:34 | 0:37:37 | |
before they got fired from there as well. | 0:37:37 | 0:37:39 | |
But one budding entrepreneur | 0:37:39 | 0:37:41 | |
realised there was money to be made in being banned. | 0:37:41 | 0:37:44 | |
Newly signed to Virgin and back in the studio, | 0:37:44 | 0:37:47 | |
Glen and John began writing a song initially called No Future. | 0:37:47 | 0:37:51 | |
I had...some ideas for some riffs and it wouldn't go away | 0:37:51 | 0:37:55 | |
and in fact, I drove everybody mad, cos I kept doing this... | 0:37:55 | 0:37:59 | |
And then...I went home | 0:37:59 | 0:38:03 | |
and picked up my guitar and just started working it out on the guitar | 0:38:03 | 0:38:08 | |
and it kind of turned into the guitar chords. | 0:38:08 | 0:38:11 | |
John always had, like, a plastic bag full of lyrics. | 0:38:11 | 0:38:13 | |
He never said, "Oh, I've got a song, can we get some music for it?" | 0:38:13 | 0:38:17 | |
He would wait for us to play something | 0:38:17 | 0:38:19 | |
and then dig something out. | 0:38:19 | 0:38:21 | |
# God save the Queen | 0:38:21 | 0:38:23 | |
# We mean it, man! # | 0:38:23 | 0:38:25 | |
It was after I left that it came out and it occurred to somebody at the record company | 0:38:25 | 0:38:30 | |
that it coincided with the Queen's Silver Jubilee. | 0:38:30 | 0:38:34 | |
Erm...God Save The Queen. | 0:38:34 | 0:38:37 | |
I mean, nothing was changed, it's just what it was called. | 0:38:37 | 0:38:40 | |
But that whole bit at the end of the song, no future, | 0:38:40 | 0:38:42 | |
that's originally what it was all about, you know. | 0:38:42 | 0:38:45 | |
God Save The Queen was released on May the 27th, 1977, | 0:38:45 | 0:38:49 | |
just 11 days prior to the Silver Jubilee holiday. | 0:38:49 | 0:38:53 | |
The BBC described it as being in bad taste and chose not to broadcast it. | 0:38:53 | 0:38:59 | |
This was a great, great pop song with a great chorus, unbelievable lyrics, | 0:38:59 | 0:39:04 | |
that was, basically, you know, throwing bombs into the face of the establishment | 0:39:04 | 0:39:09 | |
And to me, that's the definitive way that a banned and therefore apparently dangerous record | 0:39:09 | 0:39:14 | |
should be, that it was truly dangerous. | 0:39:14 | 0:39:16 | |
The lyrics to God Save The Queen could be written by Philip Larkin, I think, | 0:39:16 | 0:39:20 | |
they've got that deadpan...hopeless English melancholy of something like that... | 0:39:20 | 0:39:26 | |
"We're the flowers in the dustbin." | 0:39:26 | 0:39:29 | |
And, "There's no future in England's dreaming," positively, like... It's Shakespearean, almost. | 0:39:29 | 0:39:36 | |
It's a brilliant, brilliant lyric | 0:39:36 | 0:39:39 | |
and it's a sort of a lament for a lost England | 0:39:39 | 0:39:42 | |
that I don't think he utterly hates, but he hates what it's become. | 0:39:42 | 0:39:45 | |
It helped when the BBC banned it, cos it made everybody at school go out and buy the record, | 0:39:45 | 0:39:49 | |
because it was the naughtiest record you could possibly own. | 0:39:49 | 0:39:51 | |
So having that must have tripled its sales. | 0:39:51 | 0:39:54 | |
It would have been a top ten hit, but thank you, BBC, for banning that record and making it No.1. | 0:39:54 | 0:39:58 | |
In the official UK charts, God Save The Queen only reached No.2, | 0:39:58 | 0:40:04 | |
kept off the top spot by a raspy-voiced crooner. | 0:40:04 | 0:40:08 | |
But there were persistent rumours of chart fiddling | 0:40:08 | 0:40:11 | |
and that God Save The Queen was actually the biggest selling single in the UK at the time. | 0:40:11 | 0:40:17 | |
Getting into the middle of the system and the establishment | 0:40:17 | 0:40:19 | |
to such an extent they were having to fiddle their own chart, | 0:40:19 | 0:40:22 | |
they're having to be corrupt and crooked, in a way, | 0:40:22 | 0:40:26 | |
to try and stop it happening, and that was, you know, | 0:40:26 | 0:40:28 | |
irresistible, that the heart of why there should be pop and rock, really. | 0:40:28 | 0:40:33 | |
In the 1980s, it seemed the dark days of the previous decade were | 0:40:40 | 0:40:44 | |
finally over - the charts were filled with frills, | 0:40:44 | 0:40:47 | |
flounces and decadent sexuality, but one band took things a little | 0:40:47 | 0:40:51 | |
too far for the BBC's liking. | 0:40:51 | 0:40:54 | |
The year was 1984 and the song was Relax by Frankie Goes To Hollywood. | 0:40:55 | 0:41:00 | |
# Relax, don't do it | 0:41:00 | 0:41:01 | |
# When you wanna go to it | 0:41:01 | 0:41:03 | |
# Relax, don't do it...# | 0:41:03 | 0:41:06 | |
It came out in November 1983, and there was all | 0:41:06 | 0:41:09 | |
that palaver about getting on the playlist | 0:41:09 | 0:41:11 | |
and it didn't really get on the playlist, | 0:41:11 | 0:41:14 | |
but it was getting a few plays in the evening, | 0:41:14 | 0:41:16 | |
not enough to really make it a big hit, you know. | 0:41:16 | 0:41:18 | |
Then it got the first Top Of The Pops of 1984 | 0:41:18 | 0:41:22 | |
and that was a big moment for the record. | 0:41:22 | 0:41:25 | |
And the record shot up to like, you know, I think, No.2. | 0:41:25 | 0:41:28 | |
On a Wednesday morning, we repeated the chart and I got up | 0:41:28 | 0:41:32 | |
to about No.4 and, as always, there was never enough time. | 0:41:32 | 0:41:36 | |
I had four songs left. I thought, I'm not going to fit them all in. | 0:41:36 | 0:41:40 | |
With Relax, it was a 12-inch, and on the back was some ghastly | 0:41:40 | 0:41:43 | |
comment about something. I didn't have time to play it, so I said, "I'll drop it." | 0:41:43 | 0:41:47 | |
Somebody told me that Mike Read had had some kind of nervous breakdown on the radio, | 0:41:47 | 0:41:51 | |
and I wonder, because on the sleeve, it mentioned the word "come". | 0:41:51 | 0:41:57 | |
I think in the lyrics, "If you wanna come to it," or something, | 0:41:57 | 0:42:00 | |
and I remember very specifically I'd put, | 0:42:00 | 0:42:02 | |
as part of the design of the sleeve, I'd put little | 0:42:02 | 0:42:05 | |
swimming sperm on the outside of the 7-inch sleeve. | 0:42:05 | 0:42:08 | |
Paul Morley, their manager, whipped in and said, "It's banned, | 0:42:08 | 0:42:12 | |
"it's banned," because I mentioned on air about the visual on the back. | 0:42:12 | 0:42:15 | |
And I got the blame for banning it of course, but it was the BBC | 0:42:15 | 0:42:19 | |
that banned it, not me. | 0:42:19 | 0:42:21 | |
After Mike Read chose to omit Relax from the chart rundown, | 0:42:21 | 0:42:24 | |
the BBC erred on the side of caution and removed it from their playlists, | 0:42:24 | 0:42:28 | |
and for manager Paul Morley, it was a marketing dream come true. | 0:42:28 | 0:42:34 | |
With Relax, it's so well stage managed, | 0:42:34 | 0:42:37 | |
the whole thing is run by Paul Morley, he's a music journalist. | 0:42:37 | 0:42:40 | |
He knows the little levers to pull and cause trouble. | 0:42:40 | 0:42:44 | |
They're singing about gay sex, | 0:42:44 | 0:42:46 | |
at the time, not that comfortable in mainstream-media terms. | 0:42:46 | 0:42:50 | |
In the '80s there was intense anxiety about the impact of AIDS, | 0:42:50 | 0:42:55 | |
and Frankie Goes To Hollywood and Relax runs counter to that. | 0:42:55 | 0:43:01 | |
I think that was seen as incredibly threatening. | 0:43:01 | 0:43:04 | |
The producers have a responsibility to their listening audience | 0:43:06 | 0:43:09 | |
and that's what some of them initially played it | 0:43:09 | 0:43:11 | |
and are now not playing it. | 0:43:11 | 0:43:13 | |
It came to a point where any company, any corporate body, | 0:43:13 | 0:43:16 | |
has to decide whether something like this is played or not. | 0:43:16 | 0:43:19 | |
The controller of Radio One decided it shouldn't be played. | 0:43:19 | 0:43:22 | |
I've almost been slandered for writing disgusting lyrics, | 0:43:22 | 0:43:26 | |
which only someone with the mind of a sewer could see them as obscene. | 0:43:26 | 0:43:32 | |
But with Relax, it wasn't just the lyrics that were | 0:43:32 | 0:43:35 | |
a cause of concern for the Beeb. | 0:43:35 | 0:43:37 | |
This was the MTV age and bands and their managers had cottoned on | 0:43:37 | 0:43:41 | |
to the potential of a promotional video. | 0:43:41 | 0:43:46 | |
I wanted it to look like the greatest party | 0:43:48 | 0:43:51 | |
you, you could never get into, if you like. | 0:43:51 | 0:43:53 | |
These great parties that you would hear about behind closed doors | 0:43:53 | 0:43:56 | |
in New York especially, in the underground gay scene. | 0:43:56 | 0:43:59 | |
That's playing with censorship, | 0:43:59 | 0:44:01 | |
it's just an orgy, look, people having sex, outrageous! | 0:44:01 | 0:44:05 | |
We'd all die out if we didn't have sex, or maybe not in the way Frankie has it. | 0:44:05 | 0:44:10 | |
It wasn't that offensive to 90% of the population. | 0:44:10 | 0:44:14 | |
They were almost bending over backwards to get banned, weren't they? | 0:44:14 | 0:44:18 | |
The BBC issued an outright ban on the video for Relax | 0:44:22 | 0:44:26 | |
and then a fortnight after Mike Read's initial outburst | 0:44:26 | 0:44:29 | |
the song peaked at No.1. | 0:44:29 | 0:44:32 | |
Frankie Goes To Hollywood goes to No.1 with Relax. | 0:44:32 | 0:44:36 | |
Because it's forbidden, of course everybody wants it, | 0:44:36 | 0:44:40 | |
so with Relax... I mean, it sold two million in the UK, which is a huge amount for a single. | 0:44:40 | 0:44:45 | |
Paradoxically, the BBC and Mike Read, by banning it, | 0:44:45 | 0:44:48 | |
certified it as what we wanted it to be all along - | 0:44:48 | 0:44:50 | |
a genuinely dangerous record. | 0:44:50 | 0:44:53 | |
# Take me dancing naked in the rain | 0:44:57 | 0:45:01 | |
# Feel it washing over me... # | 0:45:01 | 0:45:04 | |
Just a few years later, 1988 was dubbed Britain's | 0:45:04 | 0:45:08 | |
Second Summer of Love as teenagers across the country | 0:45:08 | 0:45:12 | |
took up dancing ecstatically all night long. | 0:45:12 | 0:45:15 | |
Despite the smiley faces, the BBC joined the British Government | 0:45:15 | 0:45:20 | |
in attempting to put a halt to this new musical mayhem. | 0:45:20 | 0:45:24 | |
The next track on our banned list is We Call It Acieed by D Mob. | 0:45:24 | 0:45:29 | |
The origins of acid house are from Chicago and Detroit. | 0:45:33 | 0:45:38 | |
The music was very uplifting, the lyrics were very optimistic, | 0:45:38 | 0:45:41 | |
there was a real message of hope and optimism, | 0:45:41 | 0:45:44 | |
which was perfect timing. The Berlin Wall was falling, apartheid was crumbling, | 0:45:44 | 0:45:49 | |
so everyone felt this massive change that was under way. | 0:45:49 | 0:45:52 | |
There was a huge shift that was going on at the time | 0:45:52 | 0:45:55 | |
and then all of a sudden, music boomed with this high energy sound. | 0:45:55 | 0:46:00 | |
It was based on techno, which was a very stripped down, electronic version of disco music, | 0:46:00 | 0:46:05 | |
but it had kind of big, happy synthesisers on it to reflect | 0:46:05 | 0:46:09 | |
the rush of ecstasy and the sheer joy of a bony Cockney embracing you. | 0:46:09 | 0:46:14 | |
# I wanna give you devotion... # | 0:46:14 | 0:46:17 | |
Acid house burst out of the nightclubs and onto the street, | 0:46:17 | 0:46:21 | |
but finding the party was half the fun. | 0:46:21 | 0:46:24 | |
If you wanted to go to a rave, you had to famously phone a number | 0:46:24 | 0:46:27 | |
that was on a flyer someone had given you in a club and then | 0:46:27 | 0:46:30 | |
drive out - it was very mysterious, it was genuinely illegal. | 0:46:30 | 0:46:35 | |
It all involved new technology, car phones and things like that. | 0:46:35 | 0:46:38 | |
So you didn't know where you were going, | 0:46:38 | 0:46:41 | |
sometimes it involved breaking the law. | 0:46:41 | 0:46:43 | |
It involved outwitting the police. | 0:46:43 | 0:46:46 | |
It seemed a very new form of entertainment at the time. | 0:46:46 | 0:46:49 | |
What are you doing then? | 0:46:49 | 0:46:51 | |
Waiting for someone to tell us where it is. | 0:46:51 | 0:46:54 | |
Isn't that an old story? | 0:46:54 | 0:46:56 | |
Yeah. Apparently, only one person knows where it is. | 0:46:56 | 0:47:00 | |
That Second Summer of Love was again about transformation | 0:47:00 | 0:47:03 | |
of consciousness - it was mass rave parties. | 0:47:03 | 0:47:07 | |
There was a real political subtext to that, there was anti-Thatcherism, | 0:47:07 | 0:47:12 | |
anti that yuppie individualism. | 0:47:12 | 0:47:15 | |
It was about... dancing together as a collective. | 0:47:15 | 0:47:19 | |
The interesting thing about press around acid house is that | 0:47:22 | 0:47:26 | |
initially it's very positive. | 0:47:26 | 0:47:28 | |
"Wow! There's a new sound, learn the crazy lingo!" | 0:47:28 | 0:47:32 | |
You could send off to The Sun for a "Where's the acid party?" shirt with a smiley face on it. | 0:47:32 | 0:47:38 | |
Some weeks later, they realised acid is a drug and it could be construed as a drug reference. | 0:47:38 | 0:47:43 | |
And the illegality of the big raves | 0:47:43 | 0:47:46 | |
became more apparent and it does this massive 180 degree turn. | 0:47:46 | 0:47:52 | |
All of a sudden, the newspapers, the tabloids got onto it | 0:47:52 | 0:47:56 | |
and started splashing it across the headlines, | 0:47:56 | 0:48:00 | |
"Evil acid house, lock up your children, and where are your kids at the weekend?" | 0:48:00 | 0:48:06 | |
Inevitably, all the press, good and bad, | 0:48:06 | 0:48:08 | |
helped take the acid party straight into the charts. | 0:48:08 | 0:48:12 | |
It's D Mob featuring Gary Haisman and We Call It Acieed! | 0:48:12 | 0:48:17 | |
Acieed! Acieed! But that came out of a chant in a club in Charing Cross, | 0:48:24 | 0:48:30 | |
in Future - a club run by Paul Oakenfold at the time in 1988. | 0:48:30 | 0:48:35 | |
And this guy Gary Haisman, who became the face of that record, | 0:48:35 | 0:48:41 | |
used to run around the club | 0:48:41 | 0:48:43 | |
shouting, "Acid!" so it caught on, it was a catchy hook for a track. | 0:48:43 | 0:48:49 | |
They Call It Acieed is a lovely record, | 0:48:49 | 0:48:52 | |
it's in the sort of childish tradition of acid house, | 0:48:52 | 0:48:56 | |
records like Charly by The Prodigy - it's a silly, cash-in record. | 0:48:56 | 0:49:02 | |
Although the video for We Call It Acieed had already featured on Top Of The Pops, | 0:49:02 | 0:49:06 | |
the BBC restricted the song on Radio One, citing that, "It wasn't right | 0:49:06 | 0:49:11 | |
"for the mood of some programmes, such as The Breakfast Show." | 0:49:11 | 0:49:14 | |
On the one hand, it's banned because of the references to drugs, | 0:49:14 | 0:49:19 | |
but I also think there is a whole debate there about the road protests, | 0:49:19 | 0:49:24 | |
and the protests about land and who owns the land in this country. | 0:49:24 | 0:49:30 | |
And to celebrate our right to party! | 0:49:30 | 0:49:33 | |
And the right for people to gather on public land, | 0:49:33 | 0:49:37 | |
and this led to the Public Order Act | 0:49:37 | 0:49:40 | |
which forbade gatherings of young people listening to repetitive beats. | 0:49:40 | 0:49:45 | |
So there was a real anxiety about the anti-establishment | 0:49:45 | 0:49:51 | |
nature of the song. | 0:49:51 | 0:49:52 | |
It wasn't saying, "Take drugs," | 0:49:52 | 0:49:54 | |
and most of the people who bought it were too little to take drugs | 0:49:54 | 0:49:57 | |
and most of the people who were taking drugs | 0:49:57 | 0:50:00 | |
were too busy banging their faces against sheep to buy this record. | 0:50:00 | 0:50:04 | |
It was the worst-directed moral panic of all time. | 0:50:04 | 0:50:08 | |
And, of course, despite limited airplay | 0:50:08 | 0:50:10 | |
We Call It Acieed danced all the way to No.3. | 0:50:10 | 0:50:14 | |
It just made the track more popular and it sold more copies of it. | 0:50:14 | 0:50:18 | |
I think on its first press, it had sold out instantly | 0:50:18 | 0:50:22 | |
after the publicity that it received, | 0:50:22 | 0:50:26 | |
and they couldn't get enough out into the record stores | 0:50:26 | 0:50:29 | |
and out there in the shops. | 0:50:29 | 0:50:30 | |
As with the first Summer of Love, while the BBC picked up on Acieed, | 0:50:30 | 0:50:35 | |
other drug references completely passed them by. | 0:50:35 | 0:50:38 | |
# 'Eezer Goode, 'Eezer Goode... # | 0:50:38 | 0:50:40 | |
You just imagine the BBC going, "It's a nice record. | 0:50:40 | 0:50:43 | |
"'Eezer Goode, 'Eezer Goode. Doesn't refer to drugs. | 0:50:43 | 0:50:45 | |
"'Eezer Goode. | 0:50:45 | 0:50:46 | |
"Nobody at any point is saying that ecstasy is good. | 0:50:46 | 0:50:48 | |
"'Eezer Goode, 'Eezer Goode. | 0:50:48 | 0:50:51 | |
"Oh, let's ban They Call It Acieed instead. | 0:50:51 | 0:50:53 | |
"That's clearly a call to drugs." | 0:50:53 | 0:50:55 | |
RECORD SCRAPES TO A HALT | 0:50:57 | 0:50:59 | |
And so we come to the final track in our top ten, | 0:51:01 | 0:51:04 | |
described by the Official UK Charts Company | 0:51:04 | 0:51:07 | |
as "one of the most controversial chart contenders of all time". | 0:51:07 | 0:51:11 | |
Now, we have some news to bring you | 0:51:11 | 0:51:13 | |
about the former Prime Minister, Margaret Thatcher. | 0:51:13 | 0:51:16 | |
We have heard from her spokesman, Lord Bell, | 0:51:16 | 0:51:19 | |
that she has died this morning following a stroke. | 0:51:19 | 0:51:22 | |
On April 8th 2013, Baroness Thatcher died | 0:51:22 | 0:51:27 | |
and it caused a right ding-dong. | 0:51:27 | 0:51:30 | |
In the media, you had heads of state falling over themselves | 0:51:30 | 0:51:33 | |
to say what an amazing woman she was. | 0:51:33 | 0:51:35 | |
Today, we lost a great leader, a great Prime Minister, | 0:51:35 | 0:51:40 | |
and a great Briton. | 0:51:40 | 0:51:42 | |
Margaret Thatcher didn't just lead our country. | 0:51:42 | 0:51:45 | |
She saved our country. | 0:51:45 | 0:51:46 | |
There were huge communities in the UK, | 0:51:46 | 0:51:50 | |
mining communities, disadvantaged communities, | 0:51:50 | 0:51:54 | |
people who felt, "No, this wasn't our experience of Margaret Thatcher." | 0:51:54 | 0:51:58 | |
There's a whole other story to this. | 0:51:58 | 0:51:59 | |
On the day she died, I was contacted, because I had done | 0:51:59 | 0:52:04 | |
some previous stuff with music campaigns on Facebook. | 0:52:04 | 0:52:08 | |
Let the joyous news be spread - | 0:52:08 | 0:52:10 | |
the wicked old witch at last is dead. | 0:52:10 | 0:52:13 | |
Mark Biddiss was called on to action a longstanding online campaign | 0:52:13 | 0:52:17 | |
to get Ding Dong! The Witch Is Dead | 0:52:17 | 0:52:19 | |
into the UK charts on the event of Margaret Thatcher's death. | 0:52:19 | 0:52:24 | |
I wanted to stand up for people, | 0:52:24 | 0:52:26 | |
for those who felt they didn't have a voice and see if we can give one | 0:52:26 | 0:52:29 | |
in a more peaceful manner than people going out and rioting, | 0:52:29 | 0:52:33 | |
which would never solve anything. | 0:52:33 | 0:52:35 | |
When I first found out about the death of Margaret Thatcher, | 0:52:35 | 0:52:38 | |
I was in a meeting with the controllers | 0:52:38 | 0:52:39 | |
of the other radio stations | 0:52:39 | 0:52:41 | |
and I must admit, I kind of sat back, | 0:52:41 | 0:52:43 | |
because I thought, "Right, this is probably going to be | 0:52:43 | 0:52:46 | |
"a discussion amongst Radio Four and Five Live controllers | 0:52:46 | 0:52:49 | |
"about how the news coverage will unfold." | 0:52:49 | 0:52:51 | |
MUNCHKINS SING | 0:52:51 | 0:52:54 | |
By Wednesday in the mid-week chart, | 0:52:54 | 0:52:56 | |
we had an entry of Ding Dong! The Witch Is Dead | 0:52:56 | 0:52:59 | |
and suddenly it became my issue. | 0:52:59 | 0:53:02 | |
It came out in 1936. We had the Munchkins singing joyfully | 0:53:02 | 0:53:06 | |
when Dorothy's house goes splat onto the Wicked Witch of the East | 0:53:06 | 0:53:12 | |
and there was that real mischievousness | 0:53:12 | 0:53:14 | |
about using that song. | 0:53:14 | 0:53:15 | |
It's what we call a migration of meaning, | 0:53:15 | 0:53:17 | |
so something that means something in one context | 0:53:17 | 0:53:20 | |
means something completely different when you put it in another context. | 0:53:20 | 0:53:24 | |
And it's just beautifully subversive. | 0:53:24 | 0:53:26 | |
I think it was something like 170 in the chart | 0:53:26 | 0:53:29 | |
and then it just shot straight up. | 0:53:29 | 0:53:31 | |
And then, yes, it started becoming a bit of an anthem so, you know, | 0:53:31 | 0:53:35 | |
there was, you know, football crowds, I think, | 0:53:35 | 0:53:39 | |
chanting, "Ding Dong!" | 0:53:39 | 0:53:41 | |
Once Ding Dong! The Witch Is Dead | 0:53:41 | 0:53:43 | |
became this wonderful underground hit via iTunes, | 0:53:43 | 0:53:48 | |
suddenly there was much more media coverage of the opposite view. | 0:53:48 | 0:53:55 | |
-Maggie! Maggie! Maggie! -CROWD: -Dead! Dead! Dead! | 0:53:55 | 0:53:58 | |
The BBC was fantastically caught | 0:53:58 | 0:54:00 | |
like a rabbit in the headlights with this one, | 0:54:00 | 0:54:02 | |
because the establishment is on their case all the time | 0:54:02 | 0:54:05 | |
and they're terrified what The Daily Mail think. | 0:54:05 | 0:54:08 | |
You had a new Director General of the BBC | 0:54:08 | 0:54:11 | |
and someone had said this is the first editorial decision | 0:54:11 | 0:54:14 | |
they are going to make, and you also had the fact that the papers | 0:54:14 | 0:54:17 | |
wanted to keep the story going between her death and the burial, | 0:54:17 | 0:54:22 | |
so this was a really, really quite toxic situation | 0:54:22 | 0:54:27 | |
to be in the middle of. | 0:54:27 | 0:54:29 | |
With pressure mounting from the press and Tory campaigners, | 0:54:29 | 0:54:32 | |
the BBC chose not to ban the song, but to play just five seconds. | 0:54:32 | 0:54:37 | |
I'll actually never forget the moment I was told. | 0:54:37 | 0:54:40 | |
I think it was ITN and they rung me up and said, | 0:54:40 | 0:54:43 | |
"We've got a statement that the BBC | 0:54:43 | 0:54:45 | |
"are literally going to play five seconds," | 0:54:45 | 0:54:47 | |
and first thought was, "That really is censorship." | 0:54:47 | 0:54:51 | |
'We've got a brand-new entry at No.2. | 0:54:52 | 0:54:55 | |
'To explain more, here's Newsbeat's music reporter, Sinead Garvan.' | 0:54:55 | 0:54:59 | |
'This is Newsbeat.' | 0:54:59 | 0:55:01 | |
'Tributes poured in across the world for Margaret Thatcher | 0:55:01 | 0:55:04 | |
'when she died on Monday, | 0:55:04 | 0:55:06 | |
'but there were also people throwing street parties around the UK. | 0:55:06 | 0:55:09 | |
'An online campaign began in 2007 to try to get this song, | 0:55:09 | 0:55:13 | |
'Ding Dong! The Witch Is Dead to No.1 in the charts | 0:55:13 | 0:55:16 | |
'the week Lady Thatcher died.' | 0:55:16 | 0:55:18 | |
# Ding, dong! The witch is dead | 0:55:18 | 0:55:19 | |
# Which old which? The wicked witch! | 0:55:19 | 0:55:21 | |
# Ding, dong! The wicked witch is dead... # | 0:55:21 | 0:55:25 | |
They should have just played the record and explained it. | 0:55:25 | 0:55:27 | |
I thought explaining what it was was a great idea. | 0:55:27 | 0:55:29 | |
What I needed to do was reflect it, because it is historic fact | 0:55:29 | 0:55:33 | |
and we need to reflect that historic fact, | 0:55:33 | 0:55:36 | |
but we also need to be mindful of the fact | 0:55:36 | 0:55:38 | |
that there is a grieving family | 0:55:38 | 0:55:40 | |
and it could be seen by many as disrespectful. | 0:55:40 | 0:55:42 | |
So I absolutely stand by that decision. | 0:55:42 | 0:55:45 | |
The pressures that we were under all led to that very simple decision of, | 0:55:45 | 0:55:50 | |
"It's got to be a compromise." | 0:55:50 | 0:55:51 | |
MUSIC: "I Knew You Were Trouble" by Taylor Swift | 0:55:51 | 0:55:55 | |
I don't regret it in the sense that, | 0:56:04 | 0:56:06 | |
especially when you get letters from miners to say, | 0:56:06 | 0:56:09 | |
"Who'd have thought someone down south, | 0:56:09 | 0:56:11 | |
"a young guy, would have stood up for us?" | 0:56:11 | 0:56:13 | |
It caused a ripple but it's also to make people feel a bit more, | 0:56:13 | 0:56:16 | |
you can get listened to. | 0:56:16 | 0:56:18 | |
It wasn't the most politest way, | 0:56:18 | 0:56:20 | |
but it made a point and it got out there | 0:56:20 | 0:56:23 | |
and I think it serves to say that people will speak | 0:56:23 | 0:56:26 | |
if they do feel strongly. Rightly or wrongly, you can get a message out. | 0:56:26 | 0:56:30 | |
Over the last 75 years, the reasons why the BBC have banned songs | 0:56:34 | 0:56:38 | |
has changed radically with the times. | 0:56:38 | 0:56:41 | |
It's unthinkable now that Formby's cheeky double entendres | 0:56:41 | 0:56:45 | |
or Frankie's celebration of gay sex would be censored. | 0:56:45 | 0:56:49 | |
And as long as there's the potential to offend, | 0:56:49 | 0:56:52 | |
the BBC will continue to wrestle | 0:56:52 | 0:56:54 | |
with the difficult question of what and what not to broadcast. | 0:56:54 | 0:56:59 | |
I think the BBC's job is to be a moral guide in society, | 0:56:59 | 0:57:04 | |
especially when it comes to music and young people. | 0:57:04 | 0:57:07 | |
I think the BBC always has to take a responsible role. | 0:57:07 | 0:57:11 | |
And actually, that's its strong point, too. | 0:57:11 | 0:57:14 | |
But it always raises this question - "Is it right to censor?" | 0:57:14 | 0:57:17 | |
# We have to be so careful... # | 0:57:17 | 0:57:20 | |
It's not going to ban anything any more. They just don't play it. | 0:57:20 | 0:57:23 | |
That's what happens now. | 0:57:23 | 0:57:25 | |
It's not like they sit in smoking rooms and go, | 0:57:25 | 0:57:28 | |
"We can't possibly play that. | 0:57:28 | 0:57:29 | |
"The proles will start having sex or taking drugs." | 0:57:29 | 0:57:32 | |
They still act like they've got to somehow protect people | 0:57:32 | 0:57:36 | |
from this ridiculous danger. | 0:57:36 | 0:57:38 | |
The culture that I think grips us now, the compliance culture, | 0:57:38 | 0:57:41 | |
we're frightened that someone somewhere will be offended | 0:57:41 | 0:57:45 | |
or will say, "The BBC has offended us." | 0:57:45 | 0:57:47 | |
In these days of finger pointing, | 0:57:47 | 0:57:48 | |
there is always somebody that will say, | 0:57:48 | 0:57:50 | |
"Oh, look what so-and-so said. | 0:57:50 | 0:57:52 | |
"Why did they do that? They shouldn't have done this." | 0:57:52 | 0:57:55 | |
It really is damned if you do and damned if you don't. | 0:57:55 | 0:57:58 | |
# But we have to be so careful all the time... # | 0:57:58 | 0:58:02 | |
People tend to think that morality doesn't change, | 0:58:02 | 0:58:05 | |
there are fixed values, | 0:58:05 | 0:58:06 | |
there's good things and there's bad things, | 0:58:06 | 0:58:09 | |
a kind of biblical, fundamentalist approach to morality. | 0:58:09 | 0:58:11 | |
It's changed hugely. | 0:58:11 | 0:58:13 | |
Unmentionable things from the '60s are now mentioned every night. | 0:58:13 | 0:58:17 | |
However, other things are still unmentionable | 0:58:17 | 0:58:20 | |
and it'll be interesting to see whether today's unmentionables | 0:58:20 | 0:58:23 | |
are tomorrow's unmentionables as well. | 0:58:23 | 0:58:25 | |
How fixed are they? | 0:58:25 | 0:58:27 | |
# Oh, we had to be so careful | 0:58:31 | 0:58:35 | |
# So very, very careful | 0:58:35 | 0:58:38 | |
# We had to be so careful all the doggone time | 0:58:38 | 0:58:44 | |
# We had to be so careful | 0:58:44 | 0:58:49 | |
# All of the time. # | 0:58:49 | 0:58:54 |