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HE SPEAKS GERMAN | 0:00:02 | 0:00:03 | |
ORCHESTRA BEGINS TO PLAY | 0:00:03 | 0:00:04 | |
ORCHESTRA STOPS | 0:00:12 | 0:00:14 | |
ORCHESTRA RESUMES | 0:00:21 | 0:00:23 | |
Every concert is, for me... maybe I think | 0:00:23 | 0:00:27 | |
it's the last performance I do. | 0:00:27 | 0:00:29 | |
Nein, nein, nein, nein. | 0:00:31 | 0:00:32 | |
HE MIMICS RHYTHM OF MUSIC | 0:00:39 | 0:00:41 | |
ORCHESTRA PLAYS DRAMATIC PIECE | 0:00:49 | 0:00:52 | |
Herbert von Karajan was probably the most successful conductor | 0:01:37 | 0:01:40 | |
the music world has ever known. | 0:01:40 | 0:01:43 | |
The most glamorous and powerful too. | 0:01:43 | 0:01:45 | |
The glitter of his music making sometimes provoked | 0:01:47 | 0:01:50 | |
jealousy and suspicion. | 0:01:50 | 0:01:51 | |
But those who worked with him recognised | 0:01:53 | 0:01:55 | |
a formidable and visionary musician. | 0:01:55 | 0:01:57 | |
Never have I felt such freedom after strenuous periods | 0:01:59 | 0:02:03 | |
of rehearsals than standing next to Karajan. | 0:02:03 | 0:02:07 | |
Because in the concert, he would follow you to the end of the world. | 0:02:07 | 0:02:11 | |
I don't know what it is about Karajan, he had this | 0:02:30 | 0:02:33 | |
sort of magic, or this allure. He had something very special. | 0:02:33 | 0:02:36 | |
He was so devoted to music making that it seemed to | 0:02:40 | 0:02:45 | |
come out of his pores. | 0:02:45 | 0:02:47 | |
You did only one thing that he ask you to do, | 0:02:50 | 0:02:55 | |
and you did it always well - he was so happy. | 0:02:55 | 0:02:58 | |
He will smile for ever. | 0:02:58 | 0:02:59 | |
There are many myths about the man hailed before | 0:03:23 | 0:03:25 | |
the Second World War as "The Karajan Miracle." | 0:03:25 | 0:03:28 | |
A daredevil with 20th century speed in his blood. | 0:03:28 | 0:03:31 | |
Karajan drove Mercedes Cabrio, with these doors going up like wings. | 0:03:36 | 0:03:43 | |
A very good driver. | 0:03:43 | 0:03:45 | |
Ja, really fast. Sometimes too fast. | 0:03:46 | 0:03:49 | |
ENGINE ROARS | 0:03:51 | 0:03:52 | |
He drove like a racer, and one of the orchestra he asked, | 0:03:52 | 0:03:57 | |
"You, coming with me." | 0:03:57 | 0:04:00 | |
And this one, in the evening, he was pale... | 0:04:00 | 0:04:04 | |
when he sat in his place. And the whole orchestra laughed. | 0:04:04 | 0:04:09 | |
And to the one who laughed the most, said, | 0:04:09 | 0:04:12 | |
"You're going with me tomorrow." | 0:04:12 | 0:04:13 | |
So it was fun and it was very familiar, | 0:04:15 | 0:04:19 | |
and at the same time, it was a little bit terror. | 0:04:19 | 0:04:22 | |
Well, strangely enough, I can see him on the rostrum...straightaway. | 0:04:22 | 0:04:27 | |
He dressed well. | 0:04:27 | 0:04:29 | |
He was comparatively young, he was very virile. | 0:04:29 | 0:04:33 | |
Dark hair, grey at the sides. | 0:04:33 | 0:04:36 | |
I suppose, in a way, attractive. | 0:04:36 | 0:04:38 | |
I really felt it would be quite easy to fall in love with him, | 0:04:38 | 0:04:41 | |
let's put it that way. | 0:04:41 | 0:04:43 | |
So slim, so good-looking, so lithe. | 0:04:43 | 0:04:45 | |
Sort of sexy somehow. | 0:04:45 | 0:04:48 | |
And I used to think, | 0:04:48 | 0:04:49 | |
"Karajan's coming again, Karajan's coming again", | 0:04:49 | 0:04:53 | |
not because of Karajan and the fact | 0:04:53 | 0:04:55 | |
that he was a man, but because of his conducting. | 0:04:55 | 0:04:58 | |
Karajan's magnetism didn't fully explain his success. | 0:05:02 | 0:05:06 | |
But it certainly helped. | 0:05:06 | 0:05:08 | |
Through patience, a sharp business sense and sheer artistry, | 0:05:08 | 0:05:12 | |
he scaled the peaks of his profession, | 0:05:12 | 0:05:15 | |
in the opera houses of Vienna and Milan, | 0:05:15 | 0:05:17 | |
and on the podium of the Berlin Philharmonic, | 0:05:17 | 0:05:19 | |
which he made into a Rolls-Royce orchestra. | 0:05:19 | 0:05:21 | |
He was born in 1908, into an aristocratic family, | 0:05:23 | 0:05:26 | |
close to the Austrian Alps in Salzburg. | 0:05:26 | 0:05:29 | |
At the age of 17, after studying science at school, | 0:05:29 | 0:05:33 | |
he was set to become a concert pianist, | 0:05:33 | 0:05:35 | |
until his teacher stepped in. | 0:05:35 | 0:05:37 | |
One day - he knew me very well and followed all my studies - | 0:05:39 | 0:05:43 | |
and said, "You see, your musical mind and your ear | 0:05:43 | 0:05:48 | |
"is made such that you will never be content with two hands. | 0:05:48 | 0:05:51 | |
"You should have ten hands! But better try to conduct." | 0:05:51 | 0:05:55 | |
As a student, he was fascinated to watch Arturo Toscanini conduct, | 0:05:56 | 0:06:00 | |
and went on to learn his craft in the German opera houses of | 0:06:00 | 0:06:03 | |
Ulm and Aachen during the rise of Hitler. | 0:06:03 | 0:06:06 | |
Like thousands of others in Germany keen to further their careers, | 0:06:07 | 0:06:11 | |
he joined the Nazi Party in his mid-twenties - | 0:06:11 | 0:06:13 | |
a move that would dog him for much of his life. | 0:06:13 | 0:06:16 | |
He explained to me, "I want to conduct, | 0:06:17 | 0:06:21 | |
"I want to make a career in that field." | 0:06:21 | 0:06:24 | |
And he could not get a Generalmusikdirektor function | 0:06:24 | 0:06:29 | |
in any of the places without having | 0:06:29 | 0:06:31 | |
a membership, a passive membership of the Party. | 0:06:31 | 0:06:36 | |
Given the fact that he also surrounded himself | 0:06:36 | 0:06:38 | |
with a number of Jews in his professional life, | 0:06:38 | 0:06:42 | |
and the fact that I never in my life | 0:06:42 | 0:06:44 | |
heard a single anti-Semitic remark from him - | 0:06:44 | 0:06:48 | |
and I have Jewish antecedents myself, so I would have been | 0:06:48 | 0:06:50 | |
very sensitive to this - | 0:06:50 | 0:06:52 | |
I absolutely refute that he was a Nazi. | 0:06:52 | 0:06:54 | |
As well as being a party member, | 0:06:55 | 0:06:58 | |
he was sent to occupied countries as an ambassador for German culture. | 0:06:58 | 0:07:01 | |
This first footage of him conducting comes from Paris in 1941 - | 0:07:10 | 0:07:14 | |
the prelude to Wagner's opera Die Meistersinger, | 0:07:14 | 0:07:17 | |
almost an unofficial anthem for the Nazis. | 0:07:17 | 0:07:19 | |
Goebbels or Hitler sent their international grade artists | 0:07:21 | 0:07:27 | |
to everywhere where he had the power to send them, | 0:07:27 | 0:07:30 | |
to show how high cultured Germany is. | 0:07:30 | 0:07:35 | |
This was their duty, they had to do that. | 0:07:35 | 0:07:38 | |
After the war they said they just served their art, | 0:07:38 | 0:07:41 | |
but it was a bit more. | 0:07:41 | 0:07:43 | |
No, I was more or less restricted to six concerts a year. | 0:07:43 | 0:07:46 | |
And any other sort of activities? | 0:07:48 | 0:07:50 | |
-Just simply six concerts and that was it? -I was frozen up. | 0:07:50 | 0:07:54 | |
HE TRAILS OFF | 0:07:54 | 0:07:55 | |
Karajan was in work more than he perhaps remembered. | 0:07:57 | 0:08:01 | |
Besides his job in Aachen, he conducted in Berlin itself | 0:08:01 | 0:08:05 | |
once a fortnight on average for the first half of the war. | 0:08:05 | 0:08:09 | |
Only in the last two years did the work dry up. | 0:08:09 | 0:08:11 | |
Was he a Nazi? In my opinion, definitely not. | 0:08:13 | 0:08:15 | |
Was he an opportunist? I think he was. | 0:08:15 | 0:08:17 | |
I think he had a single-minded desire to get | 0:08:17 | 0:08:21 | |
to the top of his profession. | 0:08:21 | 0:08:22 | |
After the war, eminent German musicians like Wilhelm Furtwangler | 0:08:24 | 0:08:28 | |
were forbidden to perform in public until they'd been "denazified." | 0:08:28 | 0:08:32 | |
It applied to Karajan too. | 0:08:33 | 0:08:35 | |
But he got round the ban by making records, | 0:08:35 | 0:08:38 | |
thanks to the British EMI producer Walter Legge, who soon brought | 0:08:38 | 0:08:42 | |
Karajan to work with his brand-new Philharmonia Orchestra in London. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:46 | |
This launched his international career, | 0:08:47 | 0:08:50 | |
and also his lifelong addiction to recording. | 0:08:50 | 0:08:52 | |
It's a nice point, that it's the British that got Karajan going | 0:08:54 | 0:08:57 | |
after the war, it was the British, Walter Legge in particular | 0:08:57 | 0:09:00 | |
and his Philharmonia Orchestra, but also Walter Legge | 0:09:00 | 0:09:02 | |
working in Vienna with local orchestras. | 0:09:02 | 0:09:04 | |
They're the people who gave Karajan his start, | 0:09:04 | 0:09:07 | |
so he has Britain, the "enemy", to thank. | 0:09:07 | 0:09:11 | |
Exactly. It was... But, I mean, he was worth it. | 0:09:11 | 0:09:15 | |
And I think he improved the orchestra a lot, | 0:09:15 | 0:09:18 | |
I think we played very well with him. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:20 | |
You didn't just sort of play the instrument, | 0:09:20 | 0:09:23 | |
you really put your heart into it. | 0:09:23 | 0:09:25 | |
The detail's unbelievable. | 0:09:38 | 0:09:39 | |
-PIERRETTE: -Right from the first note, | 0:09:49 | 0:09:51 | |
you've got to have your wits about you. | 0:09:51 | 0:09:53 | |
It's very fast...very energetic...and very clear. | 0:09:55 | 0:09:59 | |
It's that sort of virtuosity. It sounds so un-British somehow. | 0:10:25 | 0:10:30 | |
It's so unexpected, the quality of that, that...attack. | 0:10:30 | 0:10:35 | |
He certainly introduced something to our orchestral life... | 0:10:39 | 0:10:44 | |
that... | 0:10:44 | 0:10:46 | |
well, it may be not missing, but it hadn't been | 0:10:46 | 0:10:49 | |
discovered with such intensity. | 0:10:49 | 0:10:51 | |
It still comes as a shock to hear that sort of performance. | 0:10:56 | 0:11:01 | |
And I didn't really realise until I sat there. | 0:11:05 | 0:11:09 | |
"Ooph! I don't believe it." You know? | 0:11:10 | 0:11:15 | |
"Is this what it's all about? Conducting, great conductors? | 0:11:15 | 0:11:19 | |
"Oh, how absolutely wonderful, | 0:11:19 | 0:11:22 | |
"I'm going to enjoy this." | 0:11:22 | 0:11:24 | |
The extraordinary voluptuous sound he managed to achieve. | 0:11:38 | 0:11:41 | |
Erm... | 0:11:47 | 0:11:48 | |
The concentration on the lower octave | 0:11:49 | 0:11:52 | |
just gives it that much more... | 0:11:52 | 0:11:54 | |
..I don't know, romantic lush. | 0:11:57 | 0:11:59 | |
It was Karajan's interpretation, nobody else's, | 0:12:03 | 0:12:08 | |
and his clarity was just...oh, unbelievable. | 0:12:08 | 0:12:14 | |
I could feel it then...you know? | 0:12:14 | 0:12:16 | |
I'm sitting there and I'm playing, "Ooh, I've got to give it, | 0:12:16 | 0:12:20 | |
"I've got to give it, I'm not giving enough, | 0:12:20 | 0:12:22 | |
"I'm not giving enough." You know? | 0:12:22 | 0:12:24 | |
You didn't get any reception from him that you were doing it, | 0:12:24 | 0:12:27 | |
he didn't look at you and smile or anything, | 0:12:27 | 0:12:29 | |
it's just that you wanted to do it. | 0:12:29 | 0:12:32 | |
It was the effect he had. | 0:12:32 | 0:12:34 | |
Richard Strauss' tone poem Don Juan featured in his public debut | 0:12:37 | 0:12:41 | |
with the Philharmonia in 1948, as it had in his | 0:12:41 | 0:12:45 | |
very first concert 20 years earlier in Salzburg. | 0:12:45 | 0:12:48 | |
It was a piece with which he could hypnotise and energise his players. | 0:12:48 | 0:12:52 | |
When he came to the stage, really, here, | 0:12:52 | 0:12:57 | |
when we sit on the stage | 0:12:57 | 0:12:58 | |
the heart began to beat - bom-bom-bom-bom-bom, ja? | 0:12:58 | 0:13:02 | |
It was really special and everybody | 0:13:02 | 0:13:05 | |
was "Paaah!", like a racing horse. | 0:13:05 | 0:13:08 | |
After every concert I was sweating, exhausted, and I mean, | 0:13:08 | 0:13:11 | |
normally you would play, as a professional, | 0:13:11 | 0:13:14 | |
you would play everything light and no problem, | 0:13:14 | 0:13:17 | |
but this was like a challenge of playing for your life. | 0:13:17 | 0:13:20 | |
That's the way he took you. | 0:13:20 | 0:13:22 | |
This was almost magic. | 0:13:22 | 0:13:26 | |
He had an absolute unique radiation and nobody knew why. | 0:13:26 | 0:13:31 | |
Somebody who sucks you into his opinion, and you | 0:13:31 | 0:13:34 | |
just follow, you can't avoid to go this way. | 0:13:34 | 0:13:37 | |
It's like such a strong personality, | 0:13:37 | 0:13:39 | |
and this is very emotional, it's not technical. | 0:13:39 | 0:13:41 | |
He interrupted in a rehearsal and then... | 0:13:41 | 0:13:44 | |
HE IMPERSONATES KARAJAN MUTTERING | 0:13:44 | 0:13:46 | |
Nobody understood what he really said, but after the interruption, | 0:13:46 | 0:13:50 | |
everything went in the way he wanted. | 0:13:50 | 0:13:53 | |
I think I have played the Beethoven concerto | 0:14:05 | 0:14:07 | |
about 25 times with him. | 0:14:07 | 0:14:09 | |
Still up to this day, it's difficult for me | 0:14:12 | 0:14:15 | |
to stand next to a conductor who is not Karajan, because the way | 0:14:15 | 0:14:19 | |
he was shaping and the way he made a soloist really fly | 0:14:19 | 0:14:24 | |
and spread the wings was something | 0:14:24 | 0:14:26 | |
which I've never encountered after that. | 0:14:26 | 0:14:28 | |
KARAJAN SPEAKS SOFTLY IN GERMAN | 0:14:40 | 0:14:41 | |
As a young man, Karajan had | 0:14:43 | 0:14:46 | |
patiently courted the Berlin Philharmonic, | 0:14:46 | 0:14:47 | |
much to the annoyance of Furtwangler, its chief conductor. | 0:14:47 | 0:14:51 | |
And when he died in 1954, Karajan stepped neatly into his shoes. | 0:14:51 | 0:14:56 | |
But in the recording studio, he still worked with his old flames | 0:14:57 | 0:15:01 | |
at the Philharmonia in Britain. | 0:15:01 | 0:15:03 | |
-It was a great orchestra, of course. -Oh, yes, of course. | 0:15:03 | 0:15:06 | |
I remember the first tour in America. | 0:15:06 | 0:15:08 | |
24 concerts in 28 days in 19 cities - the American tour was | 0:15:10 | 0:15:14 | |
an ordeal for conductor and players, not least because of | 0:15:14 | 0:15:18 | |
hostile comments in the press about | 0:15:18 | 0:15:20 | |
his work under the Nazis, and Karajan had warned | 0:15:20 | 0:15:22 | |
the Philharmonia players to be on their guard for trouble. | 0:15:22 | 0:15:25 | |
He gave us a little pep talk, a nice one, | 0:15:27 | 0:15:29 | |
"Be very careful where you walk." | 0:15:29 | 0:15:31 | |
He suddenly seemed like a human being again, | 0:15:31 | 0:15:33 | |
as opposed to a god up there! | 0:15:33 | 0:15:35 | |
"Be careful of the public, they could attack you." | 0:15:35 | 0:15:38 | |
The trouble, when it came on the final morning of the tour, | 0:15:38 | 0:15:40 | |
was from Walter Legge's orchestra itself. | 0:15:40 | 0:15:43 | |
One of the first violins, a former Spitfire pilot | 0:15:43 | 0:15:46 | |
called Peter Gibbs, was outraged at the perfunctory way Karajan | 0:15:46 | 0:15:50 | |
had been acknowledging applause from the audience. | 0:15:50 | 0:15:54 | |
In grand places, Karajan behaved himself perfectly well, | 0:15:54 | 0:15:56 | |
took his bows with the audience, | 0:15:56 | 0:15:58 | |
but in not so important cities he just disappeared, | 0:15:58 | 0:16:02 | |
went back to the hotel or wherever, | 0:16:02 | 0:16:06 | |
and the orchestra was sort of left... | 0:16:06 | 0:16:09 | |
on the stage, not knowing whether to get off, or bow, or what to do. | 0:16:09 | 0:16:13 | |
Peter came back to the hotel and said, | 0:16:13 | 0:16:15 | |
"I'm really going to say something tomorrow morning", | 0:16:15 | 0:16:18 | |
and I said, "My God! What are we in for?" | 0:16:18 | 0:16:21 | |
And so Peter, who had, had this burning resentment - | 0:16:21 | 0:16:25 | |
I suppose, after the war - still in him, thought this would be | 0:16:25 | 0:16:29 | |
one way of relieving his animosity, and so he stood up | 0:16:29 | 0:16:34 | |
at the rehearsal and just said, "I think you owe us an apology." | 0:16:34 | 0:16:37 | |
"Mr von Karajan, I think you should apologise to the orchestra | 0:16:37 | 0:16:41 | |
"for your extremely bad behaviour on this tour." | 0:16:41 | 0:16:44 | |
And von Karajan took no notice whatsoever, | 0:16:44 | 0:16:46 | |
he just went on conducting | 0:16:46 | 0:16:48 | |
and people at the front started to play, | 0:16:48 | 0:16:50 | |
people around started to shuffle their feet | 0:16:50 | 0:16:52 | |
and make sort of agreement noises. | 0:16:52 | 0:16:55 | |
We had shivers down the back of our spines when we heard that! | 0:16:55 | 0:16:58 | |
I don't know how many times Peter said, "I would like an apology", | 0:16:58 | 0:17:03 | |
probably at least three times, I think. | 0:17:03 | 0:17:05 | |
I just thought "Bravo." Until I thought it over, | 0:17:05 | 0:17:08 | |
and then I thought to myself, "That wasn't very diplomatic." | 0:17:08 | 0:17:11 | |
And Karajan said, "I don't want this man at the concert tonight." | 0:17:11 | 0:17:14 | |
But some of the principal players in the orchestra | 0:17:16 | 0:17:21 | |
just had a word with Walter and said, "Look, that's not | 0:17:21 | 0:17:25 | |
"really quite fair, because he was perfectly justified in | 0:17:25 | 0:17:28 | |
"saying what he did. Maybe tactless, but, er, I think he should play." | 0:17:28 | 0:17:32 | |
Anyway, that evening, we started the concert, | 0:17:32 | 0:17:36 | |
got to the interval... and von Karajan didn't come on. | 0:17:36 | 0:17:39 | |
We all sat down ready to play - no sign of Karajan! | 0:17:39 | 0:17:44 | |
And we sat there again, ten minutes? I don't know, | 0:17:44 | 0:17:46 | |
a long time waiting to start the second half. | 0:17:46 | 0:17:49 | |
As would often happen in his career, Karajan had the orchestra | 0:17:49 | 0:17:53 | |
at his mercy, and reappeared only when | 0:17:53 | 0:17:55 | |
the orchestra management had apologised - to him. | 0:17:55 | 0:17:57 | |
People say he never worked with the Philharmonia again. | 0:17:59 | 0:18:02 | |
In fact, he did, for five more years. | 0:18:02 | 0:18:04 | |
By then he was forging his destiny in Europe, | 0:18:04 | 0:18:06 | |
in particular in Berlin, where the Karajan legend would take root. | 0:18:06 | 0:18:10 | |
Until Karajan got the Berlin job, the Philharmonia was in a sense, | 0:18:11 | 0:18:14 | |
Karajan's Orchestra, and would he have got the Berlin job had he not | 0:18:14 | 0:18:17 | |
had all that experience working with the Philharmonia | 0:18:17 | 0:18:20 | |
for the previous five or six years? | 0:18:20 | 0:18:22 | |
It was a long activity with the Philharmonia. | 0:18:22 | 0:18:26 | |
Of course, then when the call to Berlin came, | 0:18:26 | 0:18:29 | |
reluctantly I must say, because I liked them very much, | 0:18:29 | 0:18:33 | |
a great deal of things we had done together, | 0:18:33 | 0:18:36 | |
but you couldn't share those two things. | 0:18:36 | 0:18:39 | |
From the early hour in the morning you could feel vibration, | 0:18:49 | 0:18:53 | |
vibration of expectation, that in the night | 0:18:53 | 0:18:56 | |
will be the Karajan concert. | 0:18:56 | 0:18:58 | |
He took half a minute, three-quarters of a minute | 0:18:59 | 0:19:02 | |
getting himself absolutely ready on his feet. | 0:19:02 | 0:19:05 | |
Getting his balance, getting his relaxation | 0:19:07 | 0:19:11 | |
until he felt absolutely ready to start. | 0:19:11 | 0:19:14 | |
And I thought this was mesmeric, because he did not move | 0:19:16 | 0:19:19 | |
his feet again until he turned to acknowledge the applause at the end. | 0:19:19 | 0:19:23 | |
The power of...any movement, | 0:19:23 | 0:19:28 | |
his closed eyes, | 0:19:28 | 0:19:31 | |
his...kind of the chin, expression, you know? | 0:19:31 | 0:19:37 | |
And the left hand, the left hand just doing anything, | 0:19:37 | 0:19:44 | |
and then... | 0:19:44 | 0:19:45 | |
HE INHALES DEEPLY | 0:19:45 | 0:19:47 | |
Just the energy, the energy with such an authority. | 0:19:47 | 0:19:51 | |
Authority like nobody else can have it. | 0:19:53 | 0:19:57 | |
In order to achieve after a forte a subito piano, | 0:19:57 | 0:20:01 | |
the only thing he did was this. | 0:20:01 | 0:20:03 | |
In the movement of his small finger, an entire orchestra | 0:20:05 | 0:20:10 | |
of 120 players would transform itself | 0:20:10 | 0:20:15 | |
into a carpet of pianissimo where | 0:20:15 | 0:20:17 | |
a singer or a violinist could just kind of soar over. | 0:20:17 | 0:20:22 | |
I said, "Look, you are doing conducting one thing, | 0:20:22 | 0:20:25 | |
"but at the same time you are already doing | 0:20:25 | 0:20:27 | |
"something very different, that's near schizophrenic." | 0:20:27 | 0:20:30 | |
"No, trezophrenic", he said. That's not a word, but he used it. | 0:20:30 | 0:20:33 | |
Yes, "trezophrenic", he said, "Look, I've to give the attack | 0:20:33 | 0:20:37 | |
"and the next moment I have to dampen the too loud horn, | 0:20:37 | 0:20:40 | |
"and while I do that conducting I already have to prepare | 0:20:40 | 0:20:44 | |
"the next tempo change, three measures ahead. | 0:20:44 | 0:20:49 | |
"So you might say the attack is present, | 0:20:49 | 0:20:52 | |
"the horn is already past, and the tempo change is the future." | 0:20:52 | 0:20:56 | |
And he finished by saying, "On this level - | 0:20:56 | 0:21:00 | |
"on these three levels - | 0:21:00 | 0:21:02 | |
"every musician, not only the conductor has to work." | 0:21:02 | 0:21:04 | |
I think one of his great strengths was actually the interpretation, | 0:21:18 | 0:21:22 | |
I mean, he really did interpret the music. | 0:21:22 | 0:21:24 | |
Every active part of this symphony is VERY active, | 0:21:28 | 0:21:32 | |
and with the little bridge passages, sometimes they're soft, | 0:21:32 | 0:21:35 | |
more enchanting, he brings this out. | 0:21:35 | 0:21:38 | |
Listen to this, this G. | 0:21:42 | 0:21:45 | |
That's what I mean about interpretation, | 0:21:47 | 0:21:50 | |
he gives the people time to play this tune. | 0:21:50 | 0:21:52 | |
Just by doing that he sets a tempo and the mood. | 0:21:54 | 0:21:57 | |
This was what I call the real Berlin Philharmonic sound. | 0:22:06 | 0:22:10 | |
Very rich and engaged. | 0:22:10 | 0:22:13 | |
There are no passengers in this orchestra. | 0:22:17 | 0:22:20 | |
He often kept his eyes closed, which staggered other conductors, | 0:22:20 | 0:22:23 | |
but not, apparently, his players. | 0:22:23 | 0:22:26 | |
He created an orchestra that relied on each other, | 0:22:26 | 0:22:30 | |
that listened to each other. | 0:22:30 | 0:22:31 | |
He set them up as a gigantic chamber group. | 0:22:31 | 0:22:35 | |
And it was certainly not as though | 0:22:35 | 0:22:37 | |
the performances were pre-planned | 0:22:37 | 0:22:40 | |
in any way - you could see there was all kinds of room | 0:22:40 | 0:22:43 | |
for things to happen. | 0:22:43 | 0:22:45 | |
When the player tried to ask him for some advice or help, | 0:22:47 | 0:22:52 | |
he went to be furious and told, "Look, play maybe with your knees | 0:22:52 | 0:22:57 | |
"or with your nose, but please, play musically right." | 0:22:57 | 0:23:03 | |
Normally, he didn't give downbeats, when he conducted he just | 0:23:03 | 0:23:06 | |
closed his eyes and his hands turned like this | 0:23:06 | 0:23:09 | |
and formed some, you know, like, | 0:23:09 | 0:23:13 | |
as if music is a modelling thing. | 0:23:13 | 0:23:15 | |
And he did not conduct one, two, three, four. | 0:23:15 | 0:23:17 | |
But I saw him doing this when he had singers, | 0:23:17 | 0:23:21 | |
when he conducted opera or - like it happened once to me - | 0:23:21 | 0:23:24 | |
I fell out of something, suddenly I saw him conducting | 0:23:24 | 0:23:27 | |
like a Kapellmeister, but the moment | 0:23:27 | 0:23:29 | |
it was set again, he came back to just doing that. | 0:23:29 | 0:23:32 | |
His style of conducting, which in a way was rather unprecise, | 0:23:32 | 0:23:36 | |
particularly when it meant to give a real clear beat, | 0:23:36 | 0:23:41 | |
a real clear beginning. | 0:23:41 | 0:23:44 | |
You had no idea where this man was, and what did that lead to? | 0:23:44 | 0:23:49 | |
You would listen to each other. | 0:23:49 | 0:23:51 | |
He just advised, "Listen!" | 0:23:51 | 0:23:55 | |
People thought of Karajan's orchestra as a well-oiled machine. | 0:23:56 | 0:24:00 | |
But this didn't happen by magic. | 0:24:00 | 0:24:01 | |
On one occasion, the pizzicato plucking | 0:24:09 | 0:24:11 | |
of the strings had gone adrift. | 0:24:11 | 0:24:14 | |
The pizzicatos were all over the place. | 0:24:14 | 0:24:17 | |
So, Karajan would, you know, lean back, | 0:24:17 | 0:24:19 | |
and he had this stick in his hand, the baton, and he would say | 0:24:19 | 0:24:24 | |
"Meiner herren" - that was back in the days were there was no girls, | 0:24:24 | 0:24:27 | |
where there were no girls in the orchestra - | 0:24:27 | 0:24:30 | |
"Meiner herren, look at this baton, | 0:24:30 | 0:24:33 | |
"and now imagine a rain drop is slowly gliding down, | 0:24:33 | 0:24:37 | |
"and the moment the rain drop frees itself, that's the pizzicato!" | 0:24:37 | 0:24:42 | |
Back to figure K or whatever - there it was, perfect! | 0:24:43 | 0:24:49 | |
Karajan stopped the whole orchestra and said to my colleague, "Late." | 0:24:49 | 0:24:53 | |
And this guy said, "Well, it's the acoustic in this room." | 0:24:55 | 0:24:59 | |
Karajan cut him off dead and said, "The acoustic in this room? | 0:24:59 | 0:25:02 | |
"You're 25 metres away from me, the speed of light is such | 0:25:02 | 0:25:06 | |
"and such a thing, speed of sound is such and such a speed - | 0:25:06 | 0:25:11 | |
"it can't be late. Besides, Galway's sitting | 0:25:11 | 0:25:14 | |
"right next to you and he's on the beat, so just play on the beat." | 0:25:14 | 0:25:17 | |
Sometimes, the apparent perfectionist | 0:25:28 | 0:25:31 | |
didn't bother with rehearsal at all. | 0:25:31 | 0:25:33 | |
He asked me in. I sat down on the chair of the first oboe, | 0:25:33 | 0:25:36 | |
red light, and we recorded Beethoven Third Piano Concerto | 0:25:36 | 0:25:40 | |
without any break, and a little interruption, | 0:25:40 | 0:25:42 | |
because I made a mistake, | 0:25:42 | 0:25:44 | |
a little baton move he made and I didn't catch it totally, | 0:25:44 | 0:25:47 | |
but it was just a second, | 0:25:47 | 0:25:48 | |
and then everything was gone, you know? | 0:25:48 | 0:25:50 | |
-With no rehearsal? -With no rehearsal, of course, no rehearsal. | 0:25:50 | 0:25:54 | |
And then later I learned that he didn't rehearse the | 0:25:54 | 0:25:57 | |
main pieces at all, because it was repertoire. | 0:25:57 | 0:26:00 | |
But with young players, | 0:26:01 | 0:26:03 | |
standard repertoire was worked on as if it were brand-new. | 0:26:03 | 0:26:06 | |
Yep. On the most difficult things, | 0:26:15 | 0:26:18 | |
you always have to look into the music. | 0:26:18 | 0:26:20 | |
Four notes. | 0:26:22 | 0:26:23 | |
HE HUMS TUNE | 0:26:26 | 0:26:27 | |
The seaman said, "One hand for the ship and one hand for yourself." | 0:26:33 | 0:26:40 | |
'So you give me one eye for you, and one eye for the conductor, | 0:26:40 | 0:26:43 | |
'and the music you have in here then!' | 0:26:43 | 0:26:45 | |
He's getting them to not be afraid of being in contact | 0:26:47 | 0:26:51 | |
with him directly. | 0:26:51 | 0:26:53 | |
Now, could you please give me the upbeat, the second note, | 0:26:58 | 0:27:02 | |
with the same intensity as the first note? | 0:27:02 | 0:27:05 | |
The first note is perfect now, | 0:27:05 | 0:27:07 | |
but it must... HE HUMS TUNE | 0:27:07 | 0:27:10 | |
And pianissimo of course. | 0:27:10 | 0:27:12 | |
Expression is wonderful, | 0:27:12 | 0:27:14 | |
if you could give me this with less tone, it would be perfect. | 0:27:14 | 0:27:17 | |
It's a master at work, he's hearing | 0:27:26 | 0:27:30 | |
infinitesimal differences between one note and another. | 0:27:30 | 0:27:33 | |
But no accent! | 0:27:43 | 0:27:45 | |
There was now, there was accent on the new harmony, | 0:27:45 | 0:27:49 | |
which there should certainly not be. | 0:27:49 | 0:27:50 | |
HE HUMS TUNE | 0:27:52 | 0:27:54 | |
He's trying to highlight the incredible unexpected chord. | 0:27:56 | 0:28:00 | |
'..where you come a little earlier.' | 0:28:00 | 0:28:02 | |
The unexpected which comes in here, because normally it would... | 0:28:02 | 0:28:07 | |
HE HUMS TUNE | 0:28:07 | 0:28:10 | |
You stay in your harmony. Instead comes a completely new thing, | 0:28:10 | 0:28:14 | |
and it must be taken with care, then it's unexpected. | 0:28:14 | 0:28:19 | |
How to make the familiar seem fresh. | 0:28:19 | 0:28:21 | |
Ra-ta-ta-ta. | 0:28:28 | 0:28:30 | |
Now, keep it, keep it! | 0:28:44 | 0:28:45 | |
Ah... | 0:28:49 | 0:28:51 | |
I can always see some of you who is out here... | 0:28:51 | 0:28:57 | |
The little technical things like not rushing through the bow | 0:28:57 | 0:28:59 | |
and running out of the bow by the end of the long note. | 0:28:59 | 0:29:02 | |
Organise it that it comes right when we are finished, | 0:29:02 | 0:29:05 | |
and not first give everything. You don't spend the whole cellar | 0:29:05 | 0:29:08 | |
on the first three days, and you starve! | 0:29:08 | 0:29:11 | |
No, you wait. | 0:29:11 | 0:29:13 | |
He knew that young musicians were nervous, he knew how to make us | 0:29:13 | 0:29:16 | |
welcome, he talked very openly. I remember him saying this | 0:29:16 | 0:29:22 | |
wonderful phrase. "Oh Simon, the sound of an orchestra is like | 0:29:22 | 0:29:25 | |
"one of your English gardens, | 0:29:25 | 0:29:28 | |
"you have to take care of it every day. | 0:29:28 | 0:29:30 | |
"Not only do you have to water and encourage it, | 0:29:30 | 0:29:33 | |
"you have to weed it as well." | 0:29:33 | 0:29:35 | |
I didn't know what he meant then either, but I do now! | 0:29:35 | 0:29:38 | |
There was a day when Karajan required a rank-and-file violinist | 0:29:38 | 0:29:41 | |
to stand up in front of the orchestra and play his part solo. | 0:29:41 | 0:29:45 | |
Nikolaus Harnoncourt, playing cello in the orchestra, saw it happen. | 0:29:45 | 0:29:49 | |
And this is a thing which every musician in the orchestra | 0:29:49 | 0:29:53 | |
is afraid of, and the man stood up, played the thing, | 0:29:53 | 0:29:58 | |
not very good but very, very courageous, and Karajan asked.... | 0:29:58 | 0:30:04 | |
HE SPEAKS GERMAN | 0:30:06 | 0:30:08 | |
"Do you mean that really?" | 0:30:10 | 0:30:13 | |
It was total, totally, er, silence in the whole orchestra. | 0:30:16 | 0:30:21 | |
He liked that silence, and then he said, "Go home" | 0:30:21 | 0:30:25 | |
to the musician. "Go home." | 0:30:25 | 0:30:28 | |
And he had to stand up and go out, and then the director came | 0:30:28 | 0:30:32 | |
and Karajan said, "I don't want to see this man anymore." | 0:30:32 | 0:30:36 | |
I remember when I was filming the Beethoven Ninth Symphony | 0:30:48 | 0:30:52 | |
with him, he spent a whole hour rehearsing just the | 0:30:52 | 0:30:55 | |
opening bars for the double basses of the last movement. | 0:30:55 | 0:30:57 | |
He's indefatigable, he just goes on and on. | 0:31:02 | 0:31:05 | |
Karajan found other ways to assert his dominance. | 0:31:11 | 0:31:15 | |
Each day he kept his game plan to himself. | 0:31:15 | 0:31:19 | |
His players had to be there at his beck and call | 0:31:19 | 0:31:22 | |
without knowing which music he would rehearse. | 0:31:22 | 0:31:25 | |
He liked his race horses champing at the bit. | 0:31:25 | 0:31:28 | |
Danke. | 0:31:28 | 0:31:29 | |
Karajan would never, ever work to a schedule. | 0:31:29 | 0:31:32 | |
For instance, for an opera, | 0:31:32 | 0:31:35 | |
all the artists had to be in hotels | 0:31:35 | 0:31:37 | |
and stay there for ten days or whatever, | 0:31:37 | 0:31:40 | |
and they would be told when to sing at his direction. | 0:31:40 | 0:31:44 | |
But they would never know when they were going to | 0:31:44 | 0:31:46 | |
do their aria or the chorus or whatever. | 0:31:46 | 0:31:48 | |
He had what we call the old intendant virtues. | 0:32:06 | 0:32:10 | |
Of reliability, being punctual, | 0:32:11 | 0:32:17 | |
a yes is a yes and a no is a no. | 0:32:17 | 0:32:21 | |
He decided who played what, last moment, | 0:32:21 | 0:32:24 | |
this was like a kind of slavery situation, you had to be there. | 0:32:24 | 0:32:28 | |
I remember even he called us in 1st of January morning | 0:32:28 | 0:32:32 | |
for a recording session. | 0:32:32 | 0:32:34 | |
He didn't want to have a holiday. | 0:32:34 | 0:32:36 | |
And the orchestra would love to have had a holiday. | 0:32:36 | 0:32:38 | |
So we had to play at ten o'clock in the morning. | 0:32:38 | 0:32:40 | |
Things were different in the old days with | 0:32:40 | 0:32:42 | |
Legge and the Philharmonia, it was all highly organised, | 0:32:42 | 0:32:46 | |
but once he became important enough to be his own producer, | 0:32:46 | 0:32:51 | |
director and everything else, he insisted on no schedule at all. | 0:32:51 | 0:32:56 | |
Even a superstar like the soprano Jessye Norman, | 0:32:58 | 0:33:01 | |
rehearsing the Liebestod from Wagner's Tristan and Isolde, | 0:33:01 | 0:33:04 | |
was surprised to find Karajan calling all the shots. | 0:33:04 | 0:33:07 | |
-KARAJAN: We play and you don't sing. -OK. -Just listen. -OK. | 0:33:10 | 0:33:15 | |
He wanted me to sit and listen to the orchestra to be certain | 0:33:22 | 0:33:26 | |
that I would be comfortable with the rehearsal, | 0:33:26 | 0:33:28 | |
but he didn't tell me that ahead of time, so of course I was there | 0:33:28 | 0:33:31 | |
ahead of time, I'd warmed up and was ready to go | 0:33:31 | 0:33:33 | |
and all the rest of it, | 0:33:33 | 0:33:35 | |
then he said "No, I just want you to sit and listen." | 0:33:35 | 0:33:37 | |
I said, "Well, maestro, I wish you'd told me that, | 0:33:37 | 0:33:39 | |
"I didn't need to warm up to sit and listen." | 0:33:39 | 0:33:42 | |
By the next rehearsal, she realised it had been worth it. | 0:33:42 | 0:33:46 | |
Karajan held the orchestra back so that she could sing softly. | 0:33:46 | 0:33:49 | |
SHE SINGS LIEBESTOD | 0:33:57 | 0:33:59 | |
Good. | 0:34:09 | 0:34:11 | |
-Now we...? -Now you begin. | 0:34:15 | 0:34:17 | |
I knew that he was listening. | 0:34:46 | 0:34:51 | |
And that's a wonderful thing for a singer, | 0:34:51 | 0:34:54 | |
to work with a conductor who we know is listening to the voice, | 0:34:54 | 0:34:59 | |
and that the clarinet or the whatever, | 0:34:59 | 0:35:02 | |
the French horn or whoever, is coming in with the theme - | 0:35:02 | 0:35:06 | |
that is also very important - that will arise. | 0:35:06 | 0:35:10 | |
He's going to make sure that the voice is heard the whole time, | 0:35:13 | 0:35:17 | |
and that is a wonderful thing for a singer, | 0:35:17 | 0:35:19 | |
just to be able to relax and sing the song. | 0:35:19 | 0:35:21 | |
Karajan was at his greatest in opera. | 0:35:24 | 0:35:26 | |
MEN SING OPERATIC PIECES | 0:35:26 | 0:35:29 | |
Wagner and Richard Strauss, certainly, | 0:35:29 | 0:35:31 | |
but the Italian repertoire too - Verdi and Puccini. | 0:35:31 | 0:35:34 | |
Ja, here, this is the line I like. | 0:35:44 | 0:35:46 | |
Supporting the singer all the time. | 0:35:50 | 0:35:52 | |
That's Pavarotti when he was young. | 0:36:05 | 0:36:07 | |
Karajan said to Pavarotti, | 0:36:21 | 0:36:24 | |
"You're singing fantastic, but is it so necessary that you are so big?" | 0:36:24 | 0:36:28 | |
He was, at this time, he wasn't so big as he was...in the last years! | 0:36:28 | 0:36:34 | |
They collaborated in recording Madam Butterfly, | 0:36:37 | 0:36:40 | |
and Karajan planned to use the soundtrack for a film | 0:36:40 | 0:36:43 | |
by Jean-Pierre Ponnelle, with the singers miming their parts. | 0:36:43 | 0:36:48 | |
But Karajan believed in feasting the eyes as well as the ears. | 0:36:48 | 0:36:51 | |
He had no faith in the overweight Pavarotti on screen, | 0:36:51 | 0:36:54 | |
and sent for Placido Domingo instead. | 0:36:54 | 0:36:57 | |
Only two months after the recording, whole chunks had to be redone. | 0:36:57 | 0:37:00 | |
And I remember arriving at 10 o'clock in the morning, | 0:37:01 | 0:37:06 | |
and I also remember I was coming from a vacation, | 0:37:06 | 0:37:09 | |
and I haven't been singing lately, so it's tough to start singing. | 0:37:09 | 0:37:13 | |
But I don't have any chance, he starts with a piece | 0:37:13 | 0:37:17 | |
from the very beginning, and 50 minutes later | 0:37:17 | 0:37:22 | |
we have finished the first act. | 0:37:22 | 0:37:25 | |
HE SINGS IN ITALIAN | 0:37:25 | 0:37:27 | |
The red light went on, and by the time I thought we have | 0:37:53 | 0:37:57 | |
rehearsed, we have recorded already. | 0:37:57 | 0:37:59 | |
So, paradoxically, a conductor who is often criticised for | 0:38:01 | 0:38:04 | |
too great an obsession with clinical excellence was actually | 0:38:04 | 0:38:07 | |
much happier to risk the imperfections | 0:38:07 | 0:38:09 | |
of effectively a live performance. | 0:38:09 | 0:38:12 | |
He hated doing re-takes, and preferred to capture the magic | 0:38:12 | 0:38:15 | |
of the moment, even if his team - led by producer Michel Glotz - | 0:38:15 | 0:38:20 | |
spotted mistakes, as in the recording | 0:38:20 | 0:38:23 | |
of Richard Strauss' Domestic Symphony. | 0:38:23 | 0:38:25 | |
At the top of one page there's about four top Cs in a row | 0:38:27 | 0:38:33 | |
played by the trumpet, and this is while the rest of the | 0:38:33 | 0:38:38 | |
orchestra are racing around, and one of the top Cs was badly fluffed. | 0:38:38 | 0:38:42 | |
I said to Glotz, I said, "You'll have to tell him." | 0:38:42 | 0:38:44 | |
He said, "YOU can tell him!" | 0:38:49 | 0:38:52 | |
So Karajan strode in and Glotz said, | 0:38:52 | 0:38:54 | |
"David here has something to tell you." | 0:38:54 | 0:38:56 | |
And Karajan said, "David, what is it?" | 0:38:58 | 0:39:02 | |
And I said, "There's a very bad trumpet fluff | 0:39:02 | 0:39:07 | |
"at eight bars after K or wherever." And he said, | 0:39:07 | 0:39:10 | |
"Play it to me, play it to me!" | 0:39:10 | 0:39:13 | |
And they ran back the tape, and sure enough, there it was, | 0:39:13 | 0:39:17 | |
and his remark was, "Only a fish would hear that!" | 0:39:17 | 0:39:21 | |
And it's still there in the recording today. | 0:39:21 | 0:39:23 | |
We complained sometimes, and I asked Herr von Karajan | 0:39:28 | 0:39:31 | |
"Could we please repeat this place? | 0:39:31 | 0:39:35 | |
"I think it was not correct | 0:39:35 | 0:39:37 | |
"on this part and I would do it again. | 0:39:37 | 0:39:40 | |
"No, no! Everything is right, I think I know - it's perfect." | 0:39:40 | 0:39:43 | |
-And is it? -No! | 0:39:43 | 0:39:45 | |
Karajan always liked to be seen to be in control, | 0:39:52 | 0:39:55 | |
even when he wasn't, as in one performance of the Mozart Requiem | 0:39:55 | 0:39:58 | |
when the basset horn came in late. | 0:39:58 | 0:40:00 | |
After two or three bars the harmony became strange, and he recognised | 0:40:02 | 0:40:09 | |
that it's impossible to correct it now. | 0:40:09 | 0:40:12 | |
So what shall he do? I felt with him, what could one do? | 0:40:12 | 0:40:20 | |
Then he made like that, a short gesture, stop playing, | 0:40:20 | 0:40:26 | |
then he made a half turn to the audience, | 0:40:26 | 0:40:30 | |
as if he would say, "I cannot play the Mozart Requiem | 0:40:30 | 0:40:35 | |
"before a loud audience." | 0:40:35 | 0:40:39 | |
He makes like that... | 0:40:39 | 0:40:40 | |
And he shaked, shook his hands so the body shook. | 0:40:43 | 0:40:48 | |
And then the very angry faces, and then he started again | 0:40:48 | 0:40:52 | |
and it was beautiful. | 0:40:52 | 0:40:53 | |
So he gave the guilt to the audience, | 0:40:53 | 0:40:57 | |
and I think this is ingenious, you cannot rehearse that. | 0:40:57 | 0:41:03 | |
He was always ready to fly by the seat of his pants - | 0:41:07 | 0:41:10 | |
in the air as well. | 0:41:10 | 0:41:11 | |
I remember flying with his wonderful wife | 0:41:14 | 0:41:17 | |
and the two lovely daughters, and they didn't seem | 0:41:17 | 0:41:21 | |
to enjoy flying with him so much, | 0:41:21 | 0:41:24 | |
and I just didn't understand, I was all geared up, | 0:41:24 | 0:41:28 | |
and actually I got the jump seat between the two pilots, | 0:41:28 | 0:41:32 | |
it was Karajan on the left and then the co-pilot. | 0:41:32 | 0:41:35 | |
And after the takeoff, he just loved to | 0:41:35 | 0:41:39 | |
get to his proper height as fast as he could, | 0:41:39 | 0:41:42 | |
so then, of course, everybody got sick, | 0:41:42 | 0:41:45 | |
and as I was convinced, you know, I really liked it a lot, | 0:41:45 | 0:41:50 | |
I was sitting there and I must have turned green and whatever, | 0:41:50 | 0:41:53 | |
he had his oxygen mask and he just loved it, | 0:41:53 | 0:41:55 | |
the rest of us half fainted. | 0:41:55 | 0:41:57 | |
And I remember crawling out of the plane, everybody was sick | 0:41:57 | 0:42:00 | |
and I pretended that I just felt fine, and he seemed to be | 0:42:00 | 0:42:03 | |
very proud of me! But I have to confess, | 0:42:03 | 0:42:08 | |
I have tricked him, it was horrible. | 0:42:08 | 0:42:10 | |
Karajan often flew to work in his private jet | 0:42:14 | 0:42:17 | |
from one of his homes - in Mauerbach, near Vienna, | 0:42:17 | 0:42:20 | |
St Moritz, St Tropez, or Anif, just outside Salzburg. | 0:42:20 | 0:42:24 | |
But in Berlin, despite being conductor for life, | 0:42:25 | 0:42:28 | |
he never had a home. | 0:42:28 | 0:42:30 | |
He stayed at the Kempinski Hotel, in suite 429, just as | 0:42:30 | 0:42:35 | |
he'd always used the Savoy in London when he was with the Philharmonia. | 0:42:35 | 0:42:38 | |
It reinforced the aloof image he was so keen to foster. | 0:42:40 | 0:42:43 | |
So do you think he had any friends in the orchestra? | 0:42:45 | 0:42:48 | |
Ah, friends... I don't know. | 0:42:50 | 0:42:54 | |
Not really friends. | 0:42:54 | 0:42:55 | |
No, how can you be friends with Herbert von Karajan? | 0:42:55 | 0:42:58 | |
I mean, it's just impossible. | 0:42:58 | 0:43:01 | |
He always was on this pedestal. | 0:43:01 | 0:43:04 | |
He wanted distance. | 0:43:04 | 0:43:06 | |
For instance, he hated it when people came, bodily, too close to him. | 0:43:07 | 0:43:13 | |
He must have been very lonely. | 0:43:13 | 0:43:15 | |
That's what I also heard from people surrounding him. | 0:43:15 | 0:43:18 | |
Yes, you're quite right, | 0:43:20 | 0:43:22 | |
I know I have difficulties. | 0:43:22 | 0:43:24 | |
My two daughters they meet people with a facility and with a charm, | 0:43:24 | 0:43:30 | |
sometimes I want to learn from them. | 0:43:30 | 0:43:33 | |
But I have never the same feeling when I was making music, | 0:43:33 | 0:43:37 | |
then I know I am open. | 0:43:37 | 0:43:40 | |
He was alone, he had one person in his office in Salzburg that was | 0:43:40 | 0:43:44 | |
Lore Salzburger and that was it. | 0:43:44 | 0:43:46 | |
SHE SPEAKS GERMAN | 0:43:46 | 0:43:49 | |
-'He telephoned a lot, at any time.' -'Middle of the night?' | 0:43:49 | 0:43:53 | |
'Of course, when he was in Japan' | 0:43:53 | 0:43:55 | |
you think he was thinking | 0:43:55 | 0:43:59 | |
how late it is in Salzburg? No. | 0:43:59 | 0:44:04 | |
But it didn't matter. I mean, I was happy to hear him. | 0:44:04 | 0:44:08 | |
And not that I was in love with him, this is something else. But... | 0:44:08 | 0:44:15 | |
really it was... I was there for him, that's it. | 0:44:15 | 0:44:20 | |
Lore Salzburger organised everything apart from the music. | 0:44:20 | 0:44:25 | |
She was his gate-keeper, | 0:44:25 | 0:44:26 | |
and saw at first-hand the impact of the Karajan myth. | 0:44:26 | 0:44:31 | |
Even really high personalities, | 0:44:31 | 0:44:34 | |
I am telling you they had wet hands | 0:44:34 | 0:44:39 | |
and they sweat before they got to speak with him, | 0:44:39 | 0:44:44 | |
the moment when they waited, you know, in my office. | 0:44:44 | 0:44:48 | |
Incredible, those strong blue eyes. | 0:44:48 | 0:44:53 | |
When they hit you, I'm telling you, you would sweat also. | 0:44:53 | 0:44:57 | |
That was a barrier of himself which he made. | 0:44:57 | 0:45:02 | |
He wanted to appear as this untouchable | 0:45:02 | 0:45:07 | |
and this perfect and this statue | 0:45:07 | 0:45:10 | |
and that's, from my side, | 0:45:10 | 0:45:14 | |
what I do not understand. | 0:45:14 | 0:45:17 | |
During his 34-year reign in Berlin, | 0:45:17 | 0:45:21 | |
this "untouchable" image was a great success commercially. | 0:45:21 | 0:45:25 | |
For some, it was a problem artistically. | 0:45:25 | 0:45:27 | |
But others watched and listened in awe. | 0:45:27 | 0:45:31 | |
He was no longer quite so ready, | 0:45:31 | 0:45:32 | |
as he had been in America in the '50s, | 0:45:32 | 0:45:35 | |
to head off home before the applause had died down. | 0:45:35 | 0:45:38 | |
Now it was the other way round. | 0:45:38 | 0:45:40 | |
The orchestra left before he did. | 0:45:40 | 0:45:43 | |
There used to be someone to give him a brush, to brush his hair back | 0:45:43 | 0:45:46 | |
and there was someone with the overcoat | 0:45:46 | 0:45:49 | |
and I think there was someone else with a handkerchief as well. | 0:45:49 | 0:45:52 | |
He was ready to sign autographs as well. | 0:45:59 | 0:46:02 | |
But when the applause began to subside, | 0:46:02 | 0:46:04 | |
he quickly went back on stage. | 0:46:04 | 0:46:07 | |
There was a set routine. | 0:46:07 | 0:46:08 | |
He'd come on again... | 0:46:10 | 0:46:13 | |
bow to the audience | 0:46:13 | 0:46:15 | |
and blow a kiss to the orchestra, which meant they had to go. | 0:46:15 | 0:46:19 | |
He would wait behind the scenes, listening, I think, | 0:46:22 | 0:46:27 | |
and then would come on his own to have several bows. | 0:46:27 | 0:46:30 | |
-It was always the way. -Did the orchestra mind? | 0:46:35 | 0:46:38 | |
No-one seemed to mind. They just shrugged their shoulders. | 0:46:38 | 0:46:41 | |
Was he a vain man? | 0:46:41 | 0:46:44 | |
Ja. Ja. | 0:46:44 | 0:46:46 | |
Yes, he was. | 0:46:47 | 0:46:49 | |
Sure, absolutely. That, of course, explained why he only wanted | 0:46:49 | 0:46:55 | |
to be photographed from the left and why he had his own photographer. | 0:46:55 | 0:46:58 | |
We were all very astonished | 0:46:58 | 0:47:01 | |
what will be the hair of the next season? | 0:47:01 | 0:47:05 | |
We have played one year with the hair up | 0:47:05 | 0:47:08 | |
and just one little part into the face, | 0:47:08 | 0:47:12 | |
next year the hair with oil directly on the head. What will be next year? | 0:47:12 | 0:47:18 | |
Away from the spotlight, Karajan immersed himself in his scores. | 0:47:20 | 0:47:25 | |
He learnt them by heart, and studied other recordings not just of | 0:47:25 | 0:47:28 | |
the classics, but of pieces by Schoenberg and Webern. | 0:47:28 | 0:47:32 | |
On the Continent he conducted British music by William Walton, | 0:47:32 | 0:47:35 | |
Michael Tippett and Benjamin Britten. | 0:47:35 | 0:47:38 | |
And he tackled Delius and Vaughan Williams | 0:47:38 | 0:47:40 | |
before he ever went to London. | 0:47:40 | 0:47:43 | |
His downtime, when not in his car, his jet, his boat or the mountains, | 0:47:43 | 0:47:47 | |
he reserved for his daughters Arabel and Isabel, and his third wife, | 0:47:47 | 0:47:51 | |
the French model Eliette Mouret. | 0:47:51 | 0:47:54 | |
She was his representative on Earth, if you like. | 0:47:54 | 0:47:58 | |
Because the older he became, the more he withdrew from going to parties | 0:47:58 | 0:48:02 | |
and receptions and hated all that sort of accoutrement of fame, | 0:48:02 | 0:48:06 | |
and she went along in his place. | 0:48:06 | 0:48:08 | |
His recording in the late '70s of Debussy's opera | 0:48:08 | 0:48:12 | |
Pelleas And Melisande was not just ambitious, it was personal. | 0:48:12 | 0:48:17 | |
I think he saw his wife, Eliette, as Melisande, | 0:48:17 | 0:48:21 | |
and there's this wonderful moment with Pelleas and Melisande | 0:48:21 | 0:48:24 | |
when he says, "Je t'aime." | 0:48:24 | 0:48:26 | |
And she says, "Je t'aime aussi." | 0:48:26 | 0:48:28 | |
And he...he started crying. | 0:48:28 | 0:48:31 | |
OPERATIC SINGING IN FRENCH | 0:48:31 | 0:48:35 | |
That was probably the most expensive opera recording ever made. | 0:48:48 | 0:48:51 | |
My then boss rang me after we'd had 18 sessions. | 0:48:51 | 0:48:55 | |
He said, "18 sessions, my God, how long is this going to go on for?" | 0:48:55 | 0:48:58 | |
And suddenly I saw Karajan standing next to me. | 0:48:58 | 0:49:01 | |
And he looked at me and mouthed to me the name of my boss and I said, yes. | 0:49:01 | 0:49:07 | |
He said, "Give me the phone." | 0:49:07 | 0:49:09 | |
And he said, "Hello, Peter, do you have a problem?" | 0:49:09 | 0:49:12 | |
And my boss told me later, he was absolutely horrified to have Karajan | 0:49:12 | 0:49:15 | |
on the other end of the phone. | 0:49:15 | 0:49:18 | |
And so it went on to 27 sessions. | 0:49:18 | 0:49:19 | |
OPERATIC SINGING IN FRENCH | 0:49:19 | 0:49:23 | |
Shortly after their marriage in 1958, | 0:49:32 | 0:49:35 | |
Herbert had taken Eliette to Japan on an orchestral tour. | 0:49:35 | 0:49:39 | |
The glamorous couple were a gift for the newsreels. | 0:49:39 | 0:49:42 | |
And it was there, in Japan, that Karajan had a flash of revelation | 0:49:43 | 0:49:47 | |
about the global potential of classical music. | 0:49:47 | 0:49:50 | |
It was a life-changing moment. | 0:49:50 | 0:49:52 | |
Every concert was televised. We have 18 concerts, | 0:49:53 | 0:49:57 | |
and the estimate is that 25 million people watched these concerts. | 0:49:57 | 0:50:03 | |
There is no getting around the fact - this is the future. | 0:50:03 | 0:50:07 | |
And this is our times and today it's maybe 25 million. In three years, | 0:50:07 | 0:50:13 | |
when we will do the thing from the concert, that will be 200 million. | 0:50:13 | 0:50:19 | |
This moment of insight became a settled belief, | 0:50:24 | 0:50:27 | |
revolutionary at the time, in the visual power of music. | 0:50:27 | 0:50:31 | |
In the mid-60s he pioneered music films, like this one | 0:50:34 | 0:50:37 | |
showing off his working methods in Schumann's Fourth Symphony. | 0:50:37 | 0:50:41 | |
One can see that he conducts for the camera. | 0:50:49 | 0:50:56 | |
'He is so highly professional. Here he explains very clear. | 0:51:17 | 0:51:22 | |
'He's trying to achieve the start of a crescendo from practically nothing' | 0:51:22 | 0:51:27 | |
and he says practically everywhere the crescendos were started too loud | 0:51:27 | 0:51:31 | |
and therefore a good crescendo is not possible. | 0:51:31 | 0:51:36 | |
It's absolute correct. | 0:51:36 | 0:51:38 | |
And I remember about ten years earlier when he just murmured | 0:51:49 | 0:51:53 | |
and it was almost not possible to understand what he was saying. | 0:51:53 | 0:51:57 | |
But here he does it for the television audience. | 0:51:57 | 0:52:01 | |
Karajan believed that, as conductor, he was the channel for the music. | 0:52:04 | 0:52:08 | |
He felt he could show this | 0:52:08 | 0:52:10 | |
by committing more and more performances to film. | 0:52:10 | 0:52:14 | |
"This is the future," he'd said, and the films were, for him, | 0:52:14 | 0:52:17 | |
his most important legacy. | 0:52:17 | 0:52:19 | |
They were shot by his rules. | 0:52:19 | 0:52:22 | |
Maybe 90% of his video filming is Von Karajan | 0:52:22 | 0:52:27 | |
and the rest is the orchestra. | 0:52:27 | 0:52:29 | |
Maybe not so extreme, I don't know. | 0:52:29 | 0:52:32 | |
But I think for him it was very important that he looked beautiful. | 0:52:32 | 0:52:37 | |
I am the music and the music flows through me | 0:52:37 | 0:52:40 | |
and that's the way you should see it. | 0:52:40 | 0:52:42 | |
One camera was exactly behind the first violins. | 0:52:42 | 0:52:46 | |
The second camera into the second violins but closer on him. | 0:52:46 | 0:52:50 | |
And another camera was 30 degrees to him | 0:52:50 | 0:52:54 | |
and the other was over his left shoulder. | 0:52:54 | 0:52:57 | |
So all four cameras were showing Karajan? | 0:52:57 | 0:52:59 | |
Ja, just on Maestro, just on Maestro. | 0:52:59 | 0:53:03 | |
We did nothing on players, it did it later on playback. | 0:53:03 | 0:53:07 | |
-How much later? -Maybe two, three, half a year later. | 0:53:07 | 0:53:10 | |
Sometimes a year later. | 0:53:10 | 0:53:12 | |
The orchestra, too, were part of Karajan's visual aesthetic. | 0:53:13 | 0:53:17 | |
He made sure his solo players were pleasing to the eye, | 0:53:17 | 0:53:20 | |
with, as it were, not a hair out of place. | 0:53:20 | 0:53:24 | |
He asked us to sit like, like soldiers, you know, | 0:53:24 | 0:53:26 | |
the instruments perfectly in one angle, everybody sitting like this. | 0:53:26 | 0:53:30 | |
And if you're sitting there for about 20 minutes - | 0:53:30 | 0:53:33 | |
"OK, a little higher. Second flute a little lower" | 0:53:33 | 0:53:36 | |
And, "No, please stay, no, a little more in front..." | 0:53:36 | 0:53:39 | |
-And so on, and... -HE GROANS | 0:53:39 | 0:53:42 | |
So now recording and then like this. | 0:53:42 | 0:53:46 | |
It's very funny. | 0:53:46 | 0:53:49 | |
And when you record and we moved a little bit like this | 0:53:49 | 0:53:52 | |
because he saw it he said, from the off came the voice of Karajan, | 0:53:52 | 0:53:55 | |
"Too loud!" | 0:53:55 | 0:53:57 | |
So he had his picture of what an orchestra or what the music should be | 0:53:57 | 0:54:02 | |
and his aesthetic idea was the same, | 0:54:02 | 0:54:05 | |
it was to be very, very smooth with the very smooth brilliant surface, | 0:54:05 | 0:54:10 | |
with a very, very strong compact expression. | 0:54:10 | 0:54:13 | |
I don't think Karajan for a minute enjoyed having a first flute | 0:54:13 | 0:54:17 | |
with a beard and long hair but that's how I was, you know? | 0:54:17 | 0:54:23 | |
We came straight from the UK and Carnaby Street | 0:54:23 | 0:54:26 | |
and we did what we did. | 0:54:26 | 0:54:28 | |
And in the films he wanted one of the flute solos to be played by me | 0:54:36 | 0:54:41 | |
and to be mimed by Andreas. | 0:54:41 | 0:54:44 | |
Maybe he didn't like so much the beard for the film. | 0:54:44 | 0:54:49 | |
But Jimmy Galway was playing in those films. | 0:54:50 | 0:54:53 | |
Ja, he was doing the recording and I was doing the playback. | 0:54:53 | 0:54:57 | |
-You had no beard? -No, I had no beard, no. | 0:55:00 | 0:55:03 | |
Yeah, that's Andreas, but it's me playing it. | 0:55:07 | 0:55:10 | |
In the event, the playbacks were shot in tight close-up, | 0:55:17 | 0:55:21 | |
so the offending beard would never have been seen, | 0:55:21 | 0:55:23 | |
least of all by Karajan, who had his eyes shut. | 0:55:23 | 0:55:26 | |
-Did you think that was strange? -Yes, of course! | 0:55:35 | 0:55:39 | |
And we were complaining but you couldn't do any anything against. | 0:55:39 | 0:55:44 | |
Karajan didn't stop there. | 0:55:45 | 0:55:48 | |
These apparent concerts were actually studio recordings, | 0:55:48 | 0:55:51 | |
with extras drafted in to listen in the gallery. | 0:55:51 | 0:55:53 | |
He took elaborate steps to ensure the rest of the audience | 0:55:53 | 0:55:56 | |
didn't move a muscle. | 0:55:56 | 0:55:58 | |
We say in German "pappkameraden." | 0:55:58 | 0:56:01 | |
Pappkameraden means only pictures on a... | 0:56:01 | 0:56:05 | |
But you couldn't see it. | 0:56:08 | 0:56:10 | |
Maybe if you look to the video and you look only to the background | 0:56:10 | 0:56:15 | |
then you will see that they don't move at all. | 0:56:15 | 0:56:18 | |
He had an image of how the orchestra should look. | 0:56:20 | 0:56:22 | |
You will not see one guy who is bald, but we had plenty | 0:56:24 | 0:56:27 | |
in the orchestra who were bald. They all had to wear wigs, | 0:56:27 | 0:56:30 | |
if you can imagine. I thought I was in the wrong orchestra. | 0:56:30 | 0:56:33 | |
HE LAUGHS | 0:56:33 | 0:56:35 | |
It's very hard to actually see any players' faces. | 0:56:38 | 0:56:41 | |
Yeah, well it's a film about Karajan | 0:56:41 | 0:56:43 | |
and he didn't want to see anybody in there. | 0:56:43 | 0:56:45 | |
When there's a horn solo you don't see who's playing it, | 0:56:45 | 0:56:49 | |
you see the horn. | 0:56:49 | 0:56:50 | |
Did that bother the orchestra? | 0:56:55 | 0:56:58 | |
I think it must have. You know, can you imagine how insulting that is | 0:56:58 | 0:57:02 | |
to be if you don't have any hair and you arrive to find that | 0:57:02 | 0:57:06 | |
somebody's chosen a wig for you to wear? | 0:57:06 | 0:57:09 | |
And then not to be shown as well... | 0:57:11 | 0:57:14 | |
HE LAUGHS | 0:57:14 | 0:57:16 | |
Yeah! | 0:57:16 | 0:57:18 | |
Karajan as conductor, film editor and recording engineer | 0:57:27 | 0:57:31 | |
took total control of the film-making in 1982, | 0:57:31 | 0:57:34 | |
when he set up his own company - Telemondial. | 0:57:34 | 0:57:38 | |
By then he was more relaxed about beards and baldness. | 0:57:38 | 0:57:42 | |
He invested several million pounds in the venture, such was his | 0:57:42 | 0:57:45 | |
commitment to project the sound and the sight of music around the world. | 0:57:45 | 0:57:50 | |
He embarked on 43 new music films, | 0:57:50 | 0:57:53 | |
managed and directed by his cameraman, Ernst Wild, | 0:57:53 | 0:57:57 | |
who completed each of them after Karajan's death. | 0:57:57 | 0:58:01 | |
What we did was really, really perfect. | 0:58:01 | 0:58:03 | |
Nobody in the next time | 0:58:05 | 0:58:08 | |
can do it in the same quality. | 0:58:08 | 0:58:11 | |
The nicest critic about one of my music films came from a man | 0:58:11 | 0:58:16 | |
who, just by chance, got me on the telephone. | 0:58:16 | 0:58:19 | |
And he said "Mr von Karajan, yesterday I have never, ever heard | 0:58:19 | 0:58:25 | |
"so well done the Fifth Symphony." | 0:58:25 | 0:58:29 | |
I said, "Now, do we talk about the same thing. It was a television." | 0:58:29 | 0:58:33 | |
He said "Yes, it was on television. I have never heard it so well." | 0:58:33 | 0:58:37 | |
So it gave me a sort of justification that, | 0:58:37 | 0:58:42 | |
by seeing, the hearing is enriched. | 0:58:42 | 0:58:46 | |
In the Berlin Philharmonic, | 0:58:47 | 0:58:49 | |
one of the double basses kept a close eye on his conductor... | 0:58:49 | 0:58:52 | |
..though in 24 years he actually spoke to Karajan only once. | 0:58:55 | 0:59:00 | |
These sketches I drew on the side | 0:59:00 | 0:59:03 | |
of my double bass during rehearsals. | 0:59:03 | 0:59:06 | |
This is Maestro Karajan like I knew him - | 0:59:06 | 0:59:09 | |
he's demanding-looking and expressively conducting. | 0:59:09 | 0:59:13 | |
It's something I never forget. | 0:59:13 | 0:59:15 | |
This is six years later. | 0:59:17 | 0:59:20 | |
That was the day he was looking constantly very sceptical. | 0:59:20 | 0:59:25 | |
It's really like a father figure. | 0:59:25 | 0:59:27 | |
His huge orchestral family were not above a few tantrums of their own. | 0:59:27 | 0:59:32 | |
They had an ego, like, fit to burst. | 0:59:32 | 0:59:35 | |
We did a Strauss piece. Anyhow, Karajan stopped in the middle | 0:59:35 | 0:59:39 | |
and he said, "Fourth horn, would you play it like this?" | 0:59:39 | 0:59:42 | |
And he said, "No, I played it like this for Richard Strauss | 0:59:42 | 0:59:45 | |
"and I'm not changing it for you." So Karajan looked round and said, | 0:59:45 | 0:59:49 | |
"Well, that's straight from the horse but I don't know where." | 0:59:49 | 0:59:52 | |
HE LAUGHS | 0:59:52 | 0:59:53 | |
When he told a joke that was a moment of highest political game. | 0:59:55 | 1:00:01 | |
-He was testing your reactions? -Ja. | 1:00:01 | 1:00:04 | |
And from this he took knowledge about everybody's position | 1:00:04 | 1:00:08 | |
or everybody's personality. | 1:00:08 | 1:00:11 | |
Very often he said, "But I told you already this story." | 1:00:11 | 1:00:16 | |
And the whole orchestra would say, "No, no, no, no." | 1:00:16 | 1:00:19 | |
Like schoolboys, ja? | 1:00:19 | 1:00:22 | |
One of his favourite stories was about the West German Chancellor, | 1:00:22 | 1:00:26 | |
Willy Brandt, who'd seen a woman fall over in the street, | 1:00:26 | 1:00:30 | |
and helped her up. | 1:00:30 | 1:00:31 | |
LAUGHTER | 1:00:47 | 1:00:49 | |
The orchestra, like Karajan himself, had plenty to laugh about. | 1:00:52 | 1:00:56 | |
Their generous salaries were met from public funds, and topped up | 1:00:56 | 1:01:00 | |
with the substantial royalties they earned from his records. | 1:01:00 | 1:01:03 | |
In the best times, he represented 10% of the world market | 1:01:03 | 1:01:07 | |
in classical music and about 40% of Deutsche Grammophon recordings. | 1:01:07 | 1:01:11 | |
I mean, this is amazing, this is huge. | 1:01:11 | 1:01:13 | |
He was doubling the amount of money we earned. | 1:01:13 | 1:01:18 | |
Without Karajan the orchestra was still the best paid orchestra | 1:01:18 | 1:01:22 | |
in Europe. With Karajan it was double, easy. | 1:01:22 | 1:01:27 | |
He looked after his players, | 1:01:29 | 1:01:31 | |
and gave them a foothold in his home town, Salzburg, | 1:01:31 | 1:01:33 | |
even though their rivals, the Vienna Philharmonic, always played | 1:01:33 | 1:01:37 | |
at the summer festival, and thought it was their turf. | 1:01:37 | 1:01:40 | |
What Karajan did was to set up an annual Easter Festival, | 1:01:42 | 1:01:45 | |
bringing in the Berlin Philharmonic to give them their first taste | 1:01:45 | 1:01:48 | |
of playing opera, in his productions. | 1:01:48 | 1:01:50 | |
The Karajan Miracle continued with the Maestro as conductor, | 1:01:53 | 1:01:56 | |
impresario and stage director. | 1:01:56 | 1:01:59 | |
He was sick and tired of being told by stage directors what to do, | 1:02:00 | 1:02:05 | |
so he thought, "I'll do it myself." | 1:02:05 | 1:02:08 | |
And it was his own money. | 1:02:08 | 1:02:10 | |
At one point, long before he died he said, | 1:02:10 | 1:02:14 | |
"Until now I have put into the Easter Festival 27,000,000 marks," | 1:02:14 | 1:02:18 | |
at that time. | 1:02:18 | 1:02:20 | |
I hear it as he said it. | 1:02:20 | 1:02:22 | |
It was not because he wanted to be a one-man show, | 1:02:22 | 1:02:25 | |
it was because he wanted to put his whole feeling for the piece | 1:02:25 | 1:02:29 | |
into everything, not only into the music. | 1:02:29 | 1:02:32 | |
SINGING IN GERMAN | 1:02:32 | 1:02:36 | |
No part of the production escaped his eagle eye, | 1:02:49 | 1:02:53 | |
least of all the lighting, such was his passion to visualise the music. | 1:02:53 | 1:02:57 | |
HE SPEAKS GERMAN | 1:02:57 | 1:03:00 | |
When we start we start right away with the lighting rehearsals, | 1:03:00 | 1:03:04 | |
which go on through every rehearsal. | 1:03:04 | 1:03:07 | |
I've never made a rehearsal without a full lighting. | 1:03:07 | 1:03:11 | |
Or lack of it. | 1:03:11 | 1:03:13 | |
Of which he was so often accused! | 1:03:13 | 1:03:15 | |
That was a dark chapter, yes, so to say! | 1:03:15 | 1:03:19 | |
He lit long, long, long, long times | 1:03:19 | 1:03:22 | |
and in the end often it was very dark. | 1:03:22 | 1:03:26 | |
There was the memorable story of Birgit Nilsson turning up at | 1:03:26 | 1:03:30 | |
the dress rehearsal of Walkure at the Met in New York. | 1:03:30 | 1:03:33 | |
Birgit Nilsson thought it was too dark, | 1:03:33 | 1:03:36 | |
put on a miner's helmet with the lamp on it. | 1:03:36 | 1:03:41 | |
Which Karajan did not think was funny, but everyone else did. | 1:03:41 | 1:03:43 | |
HE SPEAKS FRENCH | 1:03:46 | 1:03:50 | |
In the mid '60s, he invented a playback system of stage rehearsals, | 1:03:50 | 1:03:54 | |
which meant that he could dispense with rehearsal pianists | 1:03:54 | 1:03:57 | |
who'd given him trouble in the past. | 1:03:57 | 1:03:59 | |
Instead, he played the full orchestral recording in the theatre | 1:04:01 | 1:04:05 | |
through speakers, | 1:04:05 | 1:04:07 | |
leaving the singers free to concentrate on their movements, | 1:04:07 | 1:04:10 | |
and sing along to the music as much or as little as they wanted. | 1:04:10 | 1:04:13 | |
Every singer has a small tape recorder and they have time about | 1:04:13 | 1:04:18 | |
three months or four months to have it under their pillow, | 1:04:18 | 1:04:21 | |
so they really arrive so full with this music and so prepared | 1:04:21 | 1:04:27 | |
that you can concentrate only on the stage. | 1:04:27 | 1:04:31 | |
And it's a complete new way. | 1:04:31 | 1:04:33 | |
HE SINGS IN GERMAN | 1:04:38 | 1:04:43 | |
Only he could have got away with it. | 1:04:43 | 1:04:45 | |
What he needed was a tape of the opera with the same singers | 1:04:45 | 1:04:48 | |
as he'd be using on his darkened stage. | 1:04:48 | 1:04:51 | |
So what did he do? He got muggins, the good old recording companies, | 1:04:52 | 1:04:56 | |
to actually record the opera beforehand, | 1:04:56 | 1:04:59 | |
so therefore we paid for all the orchestral rehearsals. | 1:04:59 | 1:05:02 | |
He then, very cleverly, | 1:05:02 | 1:05:04 | |
used the finished tape for the rehearsals in Salzburg, | 1:05:04 | 1:05:08 | |
which meant the singers saved their voices and it meant that | 1:05:08 | 1:05:11 | |
the recording was out in time for the performances, so he could sell it. | 1:05:11 | 1:05:15 | |
There was a wonderful incident, when Don Giovanni's servant | 1:05:15 | 1:05:18 | |
invites the peasants to go in to the castle... | 1:05:18 | 1:05:20 | |
HE SINGS IN GERMAN | 1:05:20 | 1:05:24 | |
..and so on. | 1:05:24 | 1:05:25 | |
And that happened and he interrupted and said, "No, no, no. | 1:05:25 | 1:05:28 | |
"Gentlemen, you're rushing, stay in measure." | 1:05:28 | 1:05:31 | |
Everybody looked at each other. "OK, once more." | 1:05:33 | 1:05:36 | |
HE SINGS IN GERMAN | 1:05:36 | 1:05:39 | |
"No, no, no." | 1:05:39 | 1:05:40 | |
He was really angered, he said, "No, no, no! | 1:05:40 | 1:05:42 | |
"I told you! You rush, you rush! Please stay in measure!" | 1:05:42 | 1:05:46 | |
So in the end I took my heart in my hand and said, | 1:05:48 | 1:05:51 | |
"Herr von Karajan, that's your tape." | 1:05:51 | 1:05:54 | |
"So..." he said, | 1:05:56 | 1:05:58 | |
"OK, let's do it once more." | 1:05:58 | 1:06:00 | |
HE SINGS IN GERMAN | 1:06:00 | 1:06:03 | |
"Allora! Why not immediately like this?" He said. | 1:06:03 | 1:06:07 | |
Mozart's Don Giovanni was one of Karajan's final opera | 1:06:07 | 1:06:11 | |
ventures in Salzburg. | 1:06:11 | 1:06:13 | |
The ageing conductor was then only supervising rehearsals | 1:06:13 | 1:06:16 | |
from the stalls. He'd brought in Michael Hampe as stage director, | 1:06:16 | 1:06:20 | |
who was impressed by Karajan's commitment to his team. | 1:06:20 | 1:06:24 | |
Mauro Pagano the stage designer, | 1:06:24 | 1:06:26 | |
he fell ill and he was lying dying | 1:06:26 | 1:06:31 | |
in the big Roman Gemelli Hospital. | 1:06:31 | 1:06:34 | |
And it went on and on and on and we couldn't work it out. | 1:06:36 | 1:06:40 | |
And the workshops said, "We can't wait any longer, Herr Von Karajan. | 1:06:40 | 1:06:46 | |
"If you want to have a decoration on stage we have to start | 1:06:46 | 1:06:49 | |
"and we have to take another designer." | 1:06:49 | 1:06:52 | |
And Karajan said stubbornly, | 1:06:52 | 1:06:55 | |
"No, we wait for Mr Pagano." | 1:06:55 | 1:06:59 | |
And then in fact a little miracle happened. One of the two doctors | 1:07:00 | 1:07:06 | |
who discovered the HIV virus brought Pagano back to life. | 1:07:06 | 1:07:11 | |
But Karajan couldn't know that. | 1:07:11 | 1:07:13 | |
He just said, "No, I want him and we will wait." | 1:07:13 | 1:07:18 | |
And that I'll never forget. | 1:07:21 | 1:07:23 | |
How long did he wait? | 1:07:27 | 1:07:29 | |
Two months. | 1:07:29 | 1:07:30 | |
With the production approaching, it's a long time. | 1:07:32 | 1:07:35 | |
Two, three months. | 1:07:35 | 1:07:37 | |
And it was his money at risk. | 1:07:37 | 1:07:40 | |
Loyalty, for Karajan, wasn't a one-way street. | 1:07:42 | 1:07:45 | |
He expected it in return. That was why his relationship | 1:07:45 | 1:07:48 | |
with the Berlin Philharmonic had gone sour. | 1:07:48 | 1:07:51 | |
After surgery on his back in the mid-1970s | 1:08:00 | 1:08:03 | |
he had a long stay in hospital. | 1:08:03 | 1:08:06 | |
Recordings were cancelled, and the orchestra fretted about their loss | 1:08:06 | 1:08:10 | |
of income, and their longer term future. | 1:08:10 | 1:08:12 | |
They pleaded with him to allow them other conductors in his stead. | 1:08:14 | 1:08:18 | |
He was very angry and he said the famous sentence | 1:08:18 | 1:08:20 | |
"They just wait for my death." | 1:08:20 | 1:08:22 | |
And from this moment on, the whole situation turned round. | 1:08:22 | 1:08:27 | |
The atmosphere, it was slightly Ancient Rome, you know, | 1:08:30 | 1:08:34 | |
and knives out and, and cabals in corners, you know, | 1:08:34 | 1:08:38 | |
plotting and things like that. | 1:08:38 | 1:08:40 | |
The wounded lion then insisted on choosing the new | 1:08:44 | 1:08:47 | |
principal clarinettist, even though he knew perfectly well it was | 1:08:47 | 1:08:51 | |
a choice for the orchestra, not him. | 1:08:51 | 1:08:52 | |
It was simply a fight of power from one side to the other | 1:08:58 | 1:09:02 | |
and it was induced by Karajan. He wanted to see how far he can go. | 1:09:02 | 1:09:07 | |
He didn't realise, as so many great men often don't, | 1:09:10 | 1:09:15 | |
that at some point they become vulnerable. | 1:09:15 | 1:09:17 | |
Yeah, this one makes me sad. | 1:09:20 | 1:09:22 | |
We can see his hands are really ill and they're painful, | 1:09:22 | 1:09:28 | |
to stand there with the help of a support, and how difficult | 1:09:28 | 1:09:32 | |
is to move during conducting | 1:09:32 | 1:09:34 | |
and his body really looks tired and his face... | 1:09:34 | 1:09:39 | |
Once I was furious with the orchestra. | 1:09:39 | 1:09:41 | |
I said, "Now, for the 36,000th time I tell you, you hold a note when it | 1:09:41 | 1:09:46 | |
"goes over the bar, and not stop and make a thing. So what can we do?" | 1:09:46 | 1:09:52 | |
I said to them, | 1:09:52 | 1:09:54 | |
"Sometimes I would like to take a big cord around you... | 1:09:54 | 1:09:59 | |
"..20 gallons of fuel and a match." | 1:10:02 | 1:10:06 | |
And everything was dead... | 1:10:08 | 1:10:10 | |
And in this silence, someone said, | 1:10:10 | 1:10:14 | |
"But afterwards, you wouldn't have us anymore!" | 1:10:14 | 1:10:18 | |
"Well, I've forgotten it, so let's leave it as this!" | 1:10:18 | 1:10:22 | |
That joke was no joke. It's like a father hitting the children. | 1:10:22 | 1:10:28 | |
Karajan felt his "children" had been disloyal, | 1:10:28 | 1:10:31 | |
and showed his anger by depriving them of a projected recording | 1:10:31 | 1:10:35 | |
of Vivaldi's Four Seasons with Anne-Sophie Mutter. | 1:10:35 | 1:10:38 | |
At three weeks' notice Karajan said, | 1:10:38 | 1:10:40 | |
"We're not doing it in Berlin, we're doing it in Vienna." | 1:10:40 | 1:10:43 | |
And so, of course, the Berlin, | 1:10:43 | 1:10:46 | |
the orchestra must have been very sore at the time | 1:10:46 | 1:10:48 | |
because that was probably the best recording, best-selling recording, | 1:10:48 | 1:10:53 | |
of The Four Seasons ever made, and still sells to this day. | 1:10:53 | 1:10:58 | |
Was the relationship ever repaired with Karajan? | 1:10:58 | 1:11:01 | |
Not really. | 1:11:04 | 1:11:05 | |
It was undercover all the time. | 1:11:07 | 1:11:11 | |
I remember that at his 80th birthday we celebrated on stage, | 1:11:11 | 1:11:15 | |
and our members of the Orchestra, who were spokesmen of the Orchestra, | 1:11:15 | 1:11:19 | |
did a miserable job, a really miserable job. | 1:11:19 | 1:11:22 | |
They stopped the talk, they didn't say anything personal, | 1:11:22 | 1:11:25 | |
and it was Mr Resel of Vienna Philharmonic | 1:11:25 | 1:11:28 | |
who spoke a wonderful little speech which was just personal and wonderful | 1:11:28 | 1:11:32 | |
and Karajan was very upset that we couldn't celebrate. | 1:11:32 | 1:11:34 | |
For years, the Vienna Philharmonic had played second fiddle. | 1:11:48 | 1:11:51 | |
Now, in his final music films, he moved them into the limelight. | 1:11:51 | 1:11:55 | |
He demonstrated that he loved us. | 1:11:58 | 1:12:01 | |
That he really loved us. | 1:12:02 | 1:12:04 | |
Did you love him, as an orchestra? | 1:12:04 | 1:12:07 | |
It was, um... | 1:12:07 | 1:12:10 | |
We had really great respect. | 1:12:10 | 1:12:15 | |
He was not maybe a man you would...love. | 1:12:15 | 1:12:20 | |
But at the end, seeing him suffering, | 1:12:22 | 1:12:27 | |
focused on the music and nothing else, | 1:12:27 | 1:12:32 | |
then, yeah, it was then also a kind of love. | 1:12:32 | 1:12:36 | |
The tenderness he felt in Vienna found no echo in Berlin, | 1:12:39 | 1:12:43 | |
where Karajan's life contract, designed to give him | 1:12:43 | 1:12:45 | |
artistic freedom, now felt like a life sentence. | 1:12:45 | 1:12:49 | |
This affection from the Viennese was in scant supply | 1:12:49 | 1:12:52 | |
at his final rehearsal with the Berliners in 1989. | 1:12:52 | 1:12:57 | |
He opened the fingers | 1:12:57 | 1:12:59 | |
and the baton was dropping down. | 1:12:59 | 1:13:03 | |
And he hold his hand this way without any movement - | 1:13:03 | 1:13:09 | |
he didn't tell nothing. And so we went to be shocked about, | 1:13:09 | 1:13:15 | |
all the orchestra sitting there, expecting maybe something, | 1:13:15 | 1:13:18 | |
but after an endless time of waiting, maybe 40 seconds, | 1:13:18 | 1:13:24 | |
50 seconds in total silence, there was still no reaction and so we all | 1:13:24 | 1:13:31 | |
rose up slowly and went to go home. | 1:13:31 | 1:13:34 | |
We were sure maybe there is something happen, | 1:13:34 | 1:13:36 | |
maybe a stroke or a brain stroke or something but it wasn't. | 1:13:36 | 1:13:41 | |
He just decided this moment to give up. | 1:13:41 | 1:13:45 | |
Shortly afterwards, Karajan the untouchable wrote to the orchestra. | 1:13:45 | 1:13:49 | |
"Ich kann nicht mehr." I can't go on. | 1:13:49 | 1:13:52 | |
And resigned from his lifetime contract. | 1:13:52 | 1:13:55 | |
But he never actually retired. | 1:13:57 | 1:13:59 | |
It was the Vienna Philharmonic, not the Berliners, | 1:13:59 | 1:14:02 | |
who would help him through to the finish. | 1:14:02 | 1:14:04 | |
In February 1989, he'd taken them on tour to New York. | 1:14:04 | 1:14:08 | |
He was almost 81 and very frail. | 1:14:08 | 1:14:10 | |
But it was his career in Hitler's Germany | 1:14:10 | 1:14:13 | |
half a lifetime before that worried him. | 1:14:13 | 1:14:16 | |
There was a rumour where there would be some demonstrations outside | 1:14:16 | 1:14:20 | |
and in the concert hall. | 1:14:20 | 1:14:22 | |
And in the last rehearsal Karajan said, "I just wanted to tell you, | 1:14:22 | 1:14:29 | |
"if there happens something in the hall, we keep playing." | 1:14:29 | 1:14:34 | |
The demonstration, when it came, | 1:14:34 | 1:14:37 | |
was not the one Karajan had feared. | 1:14:37 | 1:14:39 | |
Those who were there have never forgotten it. | 1:14:39 | 1:14:42 | |
It was such an enormous tension in the air. | 1:14:42 | 1:14:47 | |
He was actually not able to come on stage on his own. | 1:14:47 | 1:14:52 | |
Only with the Vienna Philharmonic I have seen the speaker | 1:14:52 | 1:14:55 | |
of the orchestra put down his cello on a chair, he went off stage | 1:14:55 | 1:14:59 | |
and brought Von Karajan on his arm. | 1:14:59 | 1:15:02 | |
It was a very touching scene. | 1:15:02 | 1:15:04 | |
I have never seen this in Berlin, it didn't work here. | 1:15:04 | 1:15:07 | |
He had to come on his own. | 1:15:07 | 1:15:09 | |
But then when he entered the stage... | 1:15:09 | 1:15:12 | |
..all the audience stood up. | 1:15:13 | 1:15:18 | |
It was at the beginning of the concert, standing ovations. | 1:15:18 | 1:15:22 | |
It was kind of a devotion. | 1:15:42 | 1:15:47 | |
A religious feeling. | 1:15:47 | 1:15:49 | |
Adoration. | 1:15:50 | 1:15:52 | |
And at the same time kind of nostalgic, like... | 1:15:52 | 1:15:57 | |
like the end of er of an era, is finish, you know. | 1:15:57 | 1:16:04 | |
It was, and everybody... It was a strange, strange, strange feeling | 1:16:04 | 1:16:11 | |
in that day. | 1:16:11 | 1:16:12 | |
And the way the orchestra was playing for him, | 1:16:12 | 1:16:17 | |
that Bruckner Symphony, that was really... | 1:16:17 | 1:16:20 | |
I confess maybe I was also in such an incredible mood myself, | 1:16:20 | 1:16:25 | |
but I think I witnessed that the public altogether felt the same way. | 1:16:25 | 1:16:30 | |
TUMULTUOUS APPLAUSE | 1:16:44 | 1:16:47 | |
They were out of their minds. | 1:16:59 | 1:17:02 | |
-AUDIENCE MEMBER: -Bravo! | 1:17:02 | 1:17:03 | |
He came off stage very exhausted, very tired, | 1:17:06 | 1:17:09 | |
and he was sitting in a chair like this. | 1:17:09 | 1:17:12 | |
You couldn't say he sat on the chair - | 1:17:12 | 1:17:14 | |
he was not sitting there. | 1:17:14 | 1:17:17 | |
He...broke down and he was there, fallen on the side there, | 1:17:17 | 1:17:21 | |
and he...he... | 1:17:21 | 1:17:23 | |
..just, he-he couldn't speak. | 1:17:24 | 1:17:27 | |
But he stammered, in some ways, said to everybody, | 1:17:28 | 1:17:33 | |
said, "Thank you, thank you, thank you, | 1:17:33 | 1:17:35 | |
"it was a fantastic concert, thank you, thank you", | 1:17:35 | 1:17:38 | |
to many colleagues and grabbed their hands, | 1:17:38 | 1:17:40 | |
what he never did. | 1:17:40 | 1:17:41 | |
The orchestra all came, greeting him, | 1:17:41 | 1:17:45 | |
kissing his hand, leaving. | 1:17:45 | 1:17:48 | |
Amazing. | 1:17:50 | 1:17:52 | |
-And you never saw that with Berlin? -No. | 1:17:55 | 1:17:57 | |
That was, eh...that was a picture burning in the soul, just nowadays. | 1:17:59 | 1:18:07 | |
It still takes me. | 1:18:09 | 1:18:12 | |
Yeah. | 1:18:13 | 1:18:14 | |
I had dinner with him three days before he died. | 1:18:23 | 1:18:26 | |
And he was in a very bad way. | 1:18:26 | 1:18:28 | |
He took me to the door, which he normally never did, | 1:18:28 | 1:18:30 | |
um, and said goodbye. | 1:18:30 | 1:18:31 | |
Even at that point, he was still at work - | 1:18:32 | 1:18:35 | |
rehearsing a Verdi opera for the 1989 Salzburg Festival | 1:18:35 | 1:18:39 | |
a few weeks later. | 1:18:39 | 1:18:40 | |
We were working fine and I tell you, the only signs he gave it to me | 1:18:40 | 1:18:45 | |
when he told me, you know, he said, "This makes me so tired, | 1:18:45 | 1:18:51 | |
"this exercise that I'm doing every day." | 1:18:51 | 1:18:54 | |
MUSIC: Mild Und Leise Wie Er Lachelt by Richard Wagner | 1:18:58 | 1:19:03 | |
On Sunday... | 1:19:17 | 1:19:18 | |
..was the ending of Maestro's life. | 1:19:19 | 1:19:22 | |
Normally, he called at 9 o'clock, normally. | 1:19:24 | 1:19:28 | |
On a Sunday, normally, at 10 o'clock, | 1:19:28 | 1:19:32 | |
it was very kind of him. | 1:19:32 | 1:19:34 | |
And on that day, he called at 7.30 in the morning | 1:19:34 | 1:19:40 | |
and I thought, "Oh, God, something is happening, | 1:19:40 | 1:19:44 | |
"something happened." | 1:19:44 | 1:19:45 | |
And I'll never forget that. | 1:19:46 | 1:19:50 | |
He said he wanted to thank for everything I have done for him | 1:19:52 | 1:19:58 | |
and this was terrible. | 1:19:58 | 1:20:00 | |
Normally, he said what I have to organise, | 1:20:03 | 1:20:05 | |
or whom I have to call, or what my work was. | 1:20:05 | 1:20:08 | |
And there, nothing - no order came. | 1:20:10 | 1:20:13 | |
But Karajan still had business to conclude. | 1:20:18 | 1:20:21 | |
In the diary that July morning | 1:20:21 | 1:20:22 | |
was a meeting with his friend, Norio Ohga from Sony, | 1:20:22 | 1:20:25 | |
whom he'd persuaded to invest millions in Telemondial. | 1:20:25 | 1:20:30 | |
They met in Karajan's bedroom, overlooking the Untersberg mountain. | 1:20:30 | 1:20:34 | |
That's where he met his people visiting him, | 1:20:35 | 1:20:38 | |
he was sitting in his bed | 1:20:38 | 1:20:39 | |
and they were sitting there discussing | 1:20:39 | 1:20:42 | |
and during that negotiations, he just got a heart attack. | 1:20:42 | 1:20:48 | |
He wanted a glass of water, Ohga gave it to him, | 1:20:48 | 1:20:51 | |
and in his arms, if you want, | 1:20:51 | 1:20:52 | |
he just leaned back and, er...that was it. | 1:20:52 | 1:20:55 | |
At 1 o'clock, he died, | 1:20:59 | 1:21:00 | |
still with these Japanese people, that came for a signature. | 1:21:00 | 1:21:06 | |
That was a really incredible day. | 1:21:08 | 1:21:12 | |
So had he actually signed the deal? | 1:21:17 | 1:21:19 | |
The deal was signed, yes. | 1:21:19 | 1:21:21 | |
Shortly afterwards, Placido Domingo arrived | 1:21:37 | 1:21:40 | |
to find the place in turmoil | 1:21:40 | 1:21:41 | |
when the housekeeper answered the bell. | 1:21:41 | 1:21:44 | |
She opened the door | 1:21:44 | 1:21:46 | |
and I can see some Japanese people in the garden, | 1:21:46 | 1:21:52 | |
I see some commotion. | 1:21:52 | 1:21:54 | |
And I ask her, I said, | 1:21:54 | 1:21:58 | |
"I heard that Maestro's not feeling...too well." | 1:21:58 | 1:22:03 | |
And she told me, "No, Maestro... Maestro passed away." | 1:22:03 | 1:22:09 | |
And I can see movement in the back, | 1:22:09 | 1:22:13 | |
because at the main time, Mr Ohga, the chairman from Sony, | 1:22:13 | 1:22:19 | |
had a heart attack of depression of the death of Maestro. | 1:22:19 | 1:22:25 | |
I immediately, in shock, | 1:22:33 | 1:22:36 | |
I went with my son to the Festspielhaus | 1:22:36 | 1:22:40 | |
and everybody knew about...about the news. | 1:22:40 | 1:22:45 | |
I just, at the moment, I just cannot...cannot imagine | 1:22:53 | 1:22:58 | |
you know, this...powerful, unbelievable personality, you know. | 1:22:58 | 1:23:06 | |
It is life, this is what happens. | 1:23:07 | 1:23:11 | |
That we, a few days back, we had been working together | 1:23:13 | 1:23:18 | |
and just in three, four, five days, we lost him. | 1:23:18 | 1:23:24 | |
Toscanini said, "In life, democracy, | 1:23:35 | 1:23:40 | |
"but in the arts, aristocracy." | 1:23:40 | 1:23:44 | |
And I think that also Karajan could have said this. | 1:23:44 | 1:23:51 | |
It would be interesting if the orchestra nowadays would follow him | 1:23:51 | 1:23:55 | |
as we did 40 years ago. | 1:23:55 | 1:23:58 | |
Today, it's very democratic, very friendly | 1:23:58 | 1:24:02 | |
and, er...I don't know if they could come along | 1:24:02 | 1:24:06 | |
with this conducting style. | 1:24:06 | 1:24:08 | |
Is the democratic way a better way? | 1:24:09 | 1:24:11 | |
It's an easier way...I would say. | 1:24:14 | 1:24:19 | |
It's easier for the colleagues to be together | 1:24:19 | 1:24:23 | |
but I don't know if you reach, at least, | 1:24:23 | 1:24:27 | |
the highest points of the musical mountain. | 1:24:27 | 1:24:29 | |
That's when all the storm is over and reminds me of the time | 1:24:36 | 1:24:42 | |
after we had the fight with Maestro von Karajan | 1:24:42 | 1:24:45 | |
and he himself liked one spot which is coming right now | 1:24:45 | 1:24:50 | |
on which Strauss wrote in the score, in German, "mit sanfter ekstase" - | 1:24:50 | 1:24:57 | |
"with tender ecstasy." | 1:24:57 | 1:24:59 | |
And Karajan loved this expression for the music | 1:25:27 | 1:25:30 | |
and he expressed it...to sing very deeply | 1:25:30 | 1:25:34 | |
and have a lot of time for these upbeats | 1:25:34 | 1:25:36 | |
and for the flowing melody, | 1:25:36 | 1:25:38 | |
to fill it with a...with a glow of sunshine, | 1:25:38 | 1:25:42 | |
late evening sunshine, the last years of his life. | 1:25:42 | 1:25:46 | |
I just remember when we played this piece - | 1:26:01 | 1:26:03 | |
and I think I played it all the performances, | 1:26:03 | 1:26:06 | |
maybe 50 or more with Karajan in his last years - | 1:26:06 | 1:26:10 | |
every time, at the end, I was really exhausted by this intensity | 1:26:10 | 1:26:14 | |
which you just could hear coming in these last parts. | 1:26:14 | 1:26:17 | |
I like it when the orchestra plays together. | 1:26:27 | 1:26:29 | |
I like it when it's pianissimo when it should be. | 1:26:29 | 1:26:32 | |
I like it when it's raucous when it should be | 1:26:32 | 1:26:34 | |
and I like it when it's really note-perfect. | 1:26:34 | 1:26:38 | |
What's the matter with that? What else do you need? | 1:26:38 | 1:26:41 | |
He brought classical music out of the niche of, you know, | 1:26:45 | 1:26:49 | |
this ivory tower where it has never, erm, been well-off | 1:26:49 | 1:26:53 | |
and where it doesn't belong. | 1:26:53 | 1:26:55 | |
There is not one day in-between... | 1:26:56 | 1:26:58 | |
Like yesterday, | 1:27:00 | 1:27:01 | |
I-I see exactly the same good-looking, charismatic... | 1:27:01 | 1:27:09 | |
..incredible person. | 1:27:11 | 1:27:13 | |
Not many in this world like him. | 1:27:15 | 1:27:18 | |
I had only once the opportunity to ask him, "Maestro Karajan, | 1:27:20 | 1:27:24 | |
"can you tell me who was the most important figure in your young ages? | 1:27:24 | 1:27:30 | |
"Have you a great idol you were following?" | 1:27:32 | 1:27:35 | |
Immediately, with a clear voice, "Arturo Toscanini". | 1:27:36 | 1:27:40 | |
He spoke clear. | 1:27:40 | 1:27:43 | |
That was the one unexpected thing. | 1:27:43 | 1:27:46 | |
And the other was that he told me this name. | 1:27:46 | 1:27:49 | |
And so I took the chance asking him quickly, "Why Arturo Toscanini?" | 1:27:50 | 1:27:56 | |
And he told me, with the serious and high-up voice, | 1:27:56 | 1:28:00 | |
"Arturo Toscanini believed in what he did." | 1:28:00 | 1:28:03 |