Boy George and Culture Club: Karma to Calamity


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This programme contains strong language.

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With so many pop stars here, it's just like... It's like a sheep dip.

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All right.

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It's pretty weird, seeing as I don't know anybody and they don't know me.

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This is nice, you know.

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Haven't done this for a long while.

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It's all right. A lot of memories come flooding back.

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Being pushed out the way while people try and get to George.

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And what is it that you've been nominated for today?

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The Idle Award for doing nothing for the last 20 years.

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HE LAUGHS

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I-D-L-E.

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In the 1980s, Culture Club's meteoric rise

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made them one of the biggest bands in the world,

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selling over 150 million records.

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The songs and the band have stood the test of time

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and are as relevant as they ever were.

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Let's take a look at the guys in action.

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CHEERING # Do you really want to hurt me?

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-# Do you really... #

-But during this time,

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George and drummer Jon Moss were hiding something from the public.

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I fell in love with him.

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I fell in love with George. He happened to be a man.

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And when their volatile relationship ended in 1986,

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the band fell apart and George unravelled.

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He literally went from nothing to heroin in about three weeks.

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All previous attempts to reform the band have broken down,

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but now, for the first time in 15 years,

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they're planning to record an album and go on tour.

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We've attempted to do it a few times

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and I felt like it was our last chance if we were going to do it.

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The thing with Culture that's interesting is that,

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you know, us without George - nothing.

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And I'm afraid, George, not as great without the band.

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There's no Lady Gaga without Culture Club.

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There wasn't even a Madonna without Culture Club.

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We want to come back and reclaim our legacy.

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It's our first big tour for about 15 years.

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There's certain anxieties that come with that.

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I followed the band over ten months

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as they endeavoured to put old rivalries aside.

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But for a band with such a volatile history,

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how will they cope coming back together?

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I know what I'm doing. I think there's the problem.

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You know, what I want and what Roy, Jon and Mikey want

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are entirely different things.

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If that means that the rest of the band

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think I'm being selfish and difficult,

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that's just how it's going to be.

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Well, it's really weird, you know.

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We weren't mates before we started Culture Club.

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We are a band in the very traditional sense of being a band.

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You know, we came together to be a band.

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Erm, you know, pushing aside the kind of...

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sort of relationship things that happened,

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we were a band. That's why we started.

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So...our history with each other is about being a band.

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I don't live here, so for me to come over is quite a big deal.

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But to George it's like, "What are you doing that you can't come over?"

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I'm like, "Well, I have a life." "Well, what is it?"

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-I'm like, "It's my life!"

-HE LAUGHS

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So...

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BUZZER RINGS

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Hi, Royston.

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Push.

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-I didn't see you. You're wearing camouflage.

-Yeah.

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I'm ready for battle,

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as I said earlier. THEY LAUGH

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BUZZER

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Oh, my God. If it isn't Mikey Craig!

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Come in, push the gate.

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-I was about to start...

-How are you?

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-Yeah, good. How are you?

-Good.

-Nice to see you.

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Wrapping his own parcels these days.

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Yeah, no. This is my Vitamix. You know what it is, Vitamix?

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-I love my Vitamix. I live by my Vitamix.

-This broke.

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It spins so fast.

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Soup setting, it actually sort of half cooks and makes a soup

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when you put the things in there.

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-Put Jon Moss in there, no problem.

-Put Jon Moss in there. Yeah.

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A Jon Moss smoothie.

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Could he be any more smooth?

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BUZZER

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-How nice.

-Oh, hello!

-God.

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Shut up! Hello, everyone.

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Erm... Do you want to play it, Roy?

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Getting Old.

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HE PLAYS

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# Getting old

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# Getting old... #

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'Myself and Roy are probably the main songwriters.'

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So no, I mean, I think...

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Roy might think he's in charge! HE LAUGHS

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I might think I'm in charge too, but I don't think any of us are really.

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Let's just move on and do something else anyway.

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Remember that?

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Just take the vibe of those early Destiny's Child records.

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HE HUMS A RHYTHM

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"Question - do-dee-doo-dee-doo about..."

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But just the groove on that, I thought was really kind of cool.

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-You know, that swinging thing.

-Are you saying we're in RnB?

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-You deny your soul voice?

-Absolutely not.

-OK.

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-OK.

-JON PLAYS GUITAR

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That sounds like Neil Young to me now.

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Don't start writing melodies. Please.

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That's another drama! BOY GEORGE LAUGHS

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-You could do like an artist thing about...

-ROY SCATS

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Yes.

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-You know?

-Don't, don't fucking do that!

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So aggravating, man. No, no, no. I mean...

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-No, we don't start writing things...

-Well, why not? I'm a writer!

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-Well, then write for someone else!

-I'm writing with you!

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You don't have a monopoly on melodies here.

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We need to sort that out,

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because I'm not singing other people's melodies,

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-so either get over it, or...

-George, we'll write together.

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Yeah, I write melodies, you write the music. That's how it works.

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Shout as loud as you like, it's not going to make a difference.

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You do shout, actually, you raised your voice.

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You raised your voice, no-one took suggestions, ever.

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-Don't raise your voice to me like that.

-I wasn't...

-Well, you were...

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I got excited about the music.

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No, you got excited about trying to tell me what to do.

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Not a good idea.

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ROY PLAYS GUITAR

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Doing a band,

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it's so much more complicated than just being a solo artist.

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'We were sent a poster yesterday for the tour and I was like,

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' "I'll approve it" and you think,'

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"Oh, I should show everyone else." But...

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it gets really complicated. Democracy, it's a hard one.

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Can we do this?

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At the end, I have to do this thing where I say,

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-"See you in December," so don't speak at the end, OK?

-All right.

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You need to go out for a minute so you're not in it.

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Can you take that camera?

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-No, no, don't go outside, you've got to be in it.

-I'm back!

-OK.

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-Fucking hell.

-Ah...

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# Karma karma karma Karma karma chameleon

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# You come and go...#

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You... You have to say when you want us to come in, you see.

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Right away, once he does his thing, then I'll come in and you...

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ROY CLEARS HIS THROAT

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One, two, three, four!

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# Karma karma karma Karma karma chameleon

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-ALL:

-# You come and go

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# You come and go

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# Loving would be easy if your Colours were like my dream

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# Red gold and green

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# Red gold and green... #

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See you in December.

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-Hey, they won't notice.

-Work here is done.

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-Be quiet. Shut up, Jon.

-No, I will not shut up.

-Shut the fuck up, Jon.

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-No.

-Fucking hell.

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ROY PLAYS GUITAR

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Yes, it was OK, it was as I expected today, really.

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George was intolerant, as usual. So am I, probably, so that's fine.

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You know, nothing's changed really, so...

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Well, I'm sorry, but he doesn't shut up, it's like fucking...

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It's like an insane person.

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ROY LAUGHS I'm finding it very difficult and that's just one day in.

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I'm really, I've just had to spray chakra spray on myself...

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I was like, "God, can you leave?"

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BAND MEMBER LAUGHS

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So, when you are you next meeting up?

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It will be in Spain on Monday, or later.

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-NEWSREADER:

-Boy George doesn't like flying

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and finds ways to amuse himself.

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Hello there.

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Melbourne Airport erupted in a frenzy as the pop idol arrived.

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Hundreds of his teenage fans screamed, wept,

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waved and yelled in an uncontrollable burst of emotion.

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But for airport officials it meant security problems.

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For the press and media,

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some of those colourful comments that always make the headlines.

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Do you ever feel trapped by your image?

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No! REPORTER LAUGHS

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The waiting Mercedes didn't whisk away the superstar.

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Boy George had made a special request

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to travel in a minibus as one of the band.

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About 10,000 were jam-packed between the store's glass walls...

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CROWD CHANTING DROWNS SPEECH

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And their thrilled greeting showed

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how much the club stopover was appreciated.

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How embarrassing.

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And you met Boy George too and said he was a really nice guy.

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Very intelligent, very considerate fellow, actually.

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-That's good.

-Appearances aren't everything, are they?

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Hi, we're in Grenada.

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Granada. I can't believe you brought me to here.

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Come in to mi casa.

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Hello.

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Do you want Reggie in here or do you want Jonny?

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No! Are you crazy? I don't want Jonny anywhere near me.

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-Because this is your room, OK?

-Lots of people sleep in here?

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It can be a spare bedroom but it's empty at the moment.

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-Keep it away from Mickey.

-So it's like you've got a suite.

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-Don't put Jon, put Ritchie there, it's fine.

-Put Ritchie there.

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-I think Ritchie likes solitude. Jon just likes talking.

-Yes.

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Fucking ha-ha.

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-Do you guys want to get out?

-Fucking hell.

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-You guys have got to get out.

-Thank you.

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-Oh, my God. Crazy. Loco.

-Ritchie, move back.

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This is insane!

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Oh, my God!

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Your entrance was very LA, I have to say.

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EXAGGERATED ACCENT: Oh, my gawd! Oh, my gawd!

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Good cherry as well. Mm.

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I've already got my own room.

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-Oh, you've got the big, golden suite.

-No, it's fine.

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Nothing special.

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You know.

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Oh, that's good.

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So where are the bedrooms then?

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You ain't got one, you've got to sleep up here. GENTLE LAUGHTER

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Can I have the hobbit room?

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Or has somebody already taken it?

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That's what George wanted.

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That's cute, isn't it? I like that.

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-This is the big round hobbit room.

-Yeah.

-It's a really good acoustic.

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-Mm.

-Why was people in my room?

-Yes.

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-Why was people in my grill?

-Very nice.

-OK, and...

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-Right, come on and I'll show you the studio and the other rooms.

-Ah.

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I was going to put you and Jon in the guesthouse.

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A bit spooky out here.

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Hope you've got your flashlight out.

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-Mm.

-Did anyone show you how to get here?

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-I will stay here, yes?

-Sure.

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'Yes, well...'

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it's not bad. Fine, it's lovely. It will do.

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# Nam-myoho-renge-kyo

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# Nam-myoho-renge-kyo

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# Nam-myoho-renge-kyo

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# Nam-myoho-renge-kyo

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# Nam-myoho-renge-kyo... #

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BELL RINGS

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Just to warn you, I haven't quite woke up yet.

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I've been up for a while, but...

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Also, it's quite a lot of reverb with my voice, so...

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Not a floppy ring, dear.

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-GENTLE LAUGHTER

-Floppy.

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# It can't be easy Hell you said can't

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# If you'd be a different man...

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# Yeah. # BOY GEORGE CLEARS HIS THROAT

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Yes, that's the lyric.

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So I'm not needed for a minute, right?

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Come back tomorrow.

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ROY LAUGHS

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# If you'd be a different man...

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# Yeah. #

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GUITAR SOLO

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We've just been picking cherries.

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Very glamorous, it's very, what's it called? The Good Life.

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You actually picked those?

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Sort of. BOY GEORGE LAUGHS

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She wanted to, basically, we went to this place

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where you CAN pick cherries, let's rephrase,

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and she wanted to pick cherries

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and I was like, "Love, I've got an album to make,

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"they've picked them already, how nice of them.

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I'll just go to the studio and see what's going on.

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Do you want to be the bearer of cherries?

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-Shall I bring them? Make me look organic and loving.

-Yes.

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-Like I care.

-Yes.

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I do, obviously.

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# If you'll be a different man! #

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The 1A sounded good.

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It's a bit low, Michael, what are you trying to do?

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-We want to generate a kick.

-I know we're old, but...

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-Is this what you were doing last night?

-Yes.

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MUSIC STARTS

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Very dancey.

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# Ooh...

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# Ooh...

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# Ooh...

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# Ooh...

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# I'm never gonna catch out The one you love

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# Like a black cat Buddha

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# Like a slide show

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# It can't be easy Hell you said it can't

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# If you'd be a different man...

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Different man!

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# It can't be easy Hell you said it can't

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# If you'd be a better man

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Different man!

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-No!

-Better.

-It's not better!

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Stop. MUSIC STOPS

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No, if you'd be a different man, it's not better man.

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-Did you once say?

-No, never.

-Yes, he's right.

-All right.

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-If you'd be a different man - don't change my lyrics.

-Did I do that?

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-Hello.

-If you'd be a different man,

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-not better man.

-OK, we'll do it again.

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Well, listen, you know what it is.

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-See how calm I've remained?

-What about..?

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-We could do it again, or leave it as an idea.

-No, no. It's different man.

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Different man - don't change my lyrics.

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This is what's going to happen when I go out to the shops,

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-you'll change my lyrics. Not going to work.

-It's only little ideas.

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-Yes, but, different, don't change the lyrics, OK?

-Yes, I missed that.

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Maybe we just thought...

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You know what thought did? Wet the bed and thought it was sweating.

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My mum used to say.

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OK.

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In an Irish accent.

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IRISH ACCENT: Wet the bed and thought it was sweating.

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Don't make faces about my mum! Go on. Nice try.

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BOY GEORGE LAUGHS

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Listen, you know, there's going to be rows, cos, you know,

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the nature of trying to have a democracy is so hard.

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# Daddy-o...

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# Daddy-o... #

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You see, there's a key change. Do you like it or not? Like that?

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THEY TALK OVER EACH OTHER

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-Should he do the key change there?

-Yes.

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If it turns out when we listen to the whole song back

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that it sounds too soon - it might do - we'll change it, you know.

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That's it, Roy, that kind of attitude, not, like, no.

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-BAND MEMBERS:

-One, two, three, four...

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'The kind of rule is that the writer of the lyrics

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'and the manager gets 50%, which is what I'm entitled to,

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'but we'll have a debate about that, I'm sure.'

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But I'm not sure how flexible I'm going to be.

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'We just have to be fair.

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'And if somebody's written most of a song,

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'why should they give it away? You know,

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'I am a generous person, but, you know, there's a limit.'

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Back in the day, we did everything 25%.

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That ain't going to happen now.

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-Shall we record it?

-Hold-up, one then? Oh, nice.

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-Make a note to yourself, get rid of this later.

-We did it in D before.

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PLAYS PIANO

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Can we have a shot of Roy crying at the end on a wheelchair?

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-GENTLE LAUGHTER

-That's nice.

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With a keyboard on his lap?

0:16:020:16:04

Naked?

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George, he still has the authority, he's still the queen,

0:16:070:16:12

he's still the queen bee, although he's not taken so seriously now.

0:16:120:16:15

Don't know about you, I'm about to slip into something more comfortable, like a coma. Fucking hell.

0:16:160:16:21

-Shove that on.

-Yeah...

-Oh, yeah...

-Nice with some strings...

-Yeah, exactly.

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You're right up his arse.

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Think Beatles, man. Think Beatles. It's three Beatles.

0:16:260:16:29

OK. All right, then. You've won me over!

0:16:290:16:33

Shall we record it?

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They made the announcement today about the tour, 15 dates in the UK.

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Big venues.

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BOY GEORGE CHUCKLES

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-Yes, like the O2, you know.

-Yeah, but, you know...

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we're a big band. BOY GEORGE LAUGHS

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There we go.

0:16:490:16:51

Somebody's saying they've booked their tickets for Leeds.

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Wow, really cool.

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That's 12 we've sold.

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LAUGHTER

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My bags are packed.

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Away we go.

0:17:020:17:04

Well, I'm busy that night, I can't do that one.

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THEY LAUGH

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When it all kicked off, I was about 22, yeah.

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That's quite a lot to take on board.

0:17:200:17:22

It is, but it doesn't mean anything now. Like,

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you know when you go on TV shows, they introduce you,

0:17:250:17:28

they say, "You sold 150 million records," and I think,

0:17:280:17:31

"What does it matter?" Now is all that matters.

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You know. Oh, forget it.

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BOY GEORGE LAUGHS

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The first single we put out did nothing.

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The second one did nothing,

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the third one we started to pay for the promotion ourselves, didn't we?

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-Which is Do You Really and then it kicked off.

-Jonny had a plan.

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Yeah, Jonny did have a plan.

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Do a few gigs, Top Of The Pops, big hit record, lovely,

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we'll go on tour. Sounds good to me, yes!

0:17:540:17:56

Bad drug habits, get divorced.

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End up making a record.

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You left that bit out. You left that bit out.

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I left it out, I wasn't so sure about that.

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Jon and George, they were the powerhouse within the band.

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They kind of led the band.

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And they were very strong.

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The two of them. Together.

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And because they were together it made it difficult for us

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to input things at times.

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But, um...

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I'm not sure, I don't know

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if I want to talk about their relationship so much,

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because, cos Jon's got...

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..kids now.

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I fell in love with him.

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Just fell in love with him.

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I fell in love with George, he happened to be a man.

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We were instantly attracted to each other.

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Not sexually, it was like a childish crush, it was very exciting.

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You know, very exciting, you know.

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It was a little weird being in the band with that secret,

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I've got to be honest.

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I mean, it was no secret,

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our relationship, between my friends or anything like that,

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but I was thinking the other day how things have changed so much.

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When Culture Club started there wasn't the liberalism there is now,

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there was a lot of queer-bashing, you know,

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and it was not cool.

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People didn't want to know.

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I grew up just wanting to be in a band and...

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have fun.

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All the girls backstage and all the things that go with it,

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I ended up in a fucking homosexual drama.

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ROY LAUGHS

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Jon and I did not have a normal relationship.

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We weren't nice to each other.

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We didn't go out for meals.

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I mean their relationship wasn't a problem, the fighting was a problem.

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You know?

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Stuff all over the place,

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literally hitting each other and screaming and shouting.

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The others were going, "Oh, I can't take this any more."

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One couldn't help feeling that George's mood

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was determined by how he was getting on with Jon.

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It was a soap opera, you know.

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A really bad one that doesn't get aired after three series.

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That's what it was like.

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I'm just doing it as a little experiment.

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I used to do this every day - what you talking about?

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I quite liked it when it was a bit more dense.

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-Maybe needs something here.

-Let Christine...

-Like a crystal, or something there.

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She's eccentric.

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SHE CHUCKLES

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And, also, when you've worn as much make-up as we have,

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you have to find new ways of putting it on.

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No, I don't like that. It's ridiculous!

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No, the reason you don't like it is cos it hasn't got the gold leaf that side.

0:20:230:20:26

No, I don't like it, because I jus... No. I just don't like it.

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-Think it's too much.

-No, it's good!

0:20:290:20:31

No, Christine, it's not good.

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SHE LAUGHS

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Wonder if the band'll like it. Probably not.

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-We could go and ask their opinion.

-Yeah, shall I?

-Yeah.

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-Shall I?

-Yeah, go on.

0:20:380:20:40

"Hey, look, I'm thinking this is..." Actually, yeah, let's do it.

0:20:400:20:43

I'm sure it's going to go down really well.

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Guys!

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LAUGHTER

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-Thought we could use a new look for the band.

-Wow!

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-Nose-guards.

-Lovely.

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Can you do the original melody on the B sessions for us in a minute?

0:20:550:20:58

I'm not going to do it now.

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I've got, like, things on my face.

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LAUGHTER Can we just play Planningtorock?

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So, great - the make-up girl arrives and we get no more vocals,

0:21:040:21:07

-cos George now has things on his face!

-Priorities have changed.

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Priorities have changed.

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-Jon.

-Yes.

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Shall we pull the screens back and show them we're really in Shepperton?

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Yes. Blue screens. Blue screens.

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-One more for safety.

-All right, good. E-mail that to me.

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Where's George?

0:21:250:21:27

Where's his communal dining stuff? Where is he?

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L'chaim, everyone. L'chaim.

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LIVELY CHATTER

0:21:360:21:39

Go and eat your dinner elsewhere,

0:21:390:21:42

you're ruining this perfect shot of Boy George.

0:21:420:21:45

There's nothing perfect about this scene.

0:21:450:21:47

It's like something from a Fellini movie gone wrong.

0:21:470:21:50

Like Fellini with ketchup.

0:21:500:21:52

You say tomay-to...

0:21:520:21:54

Do you say migraine or mee-graine?

0:21:540:21:56

That lovely moment when people aren't speaking because their mouths are full.

0:21:560:21:59

-Do you say aluminium or alumin-um?

-Then they start again.

0:21:590:22:02

Aluminium! It's got an "i" in it.

0:22:020:22:03

Did we have nicknames?

0:22:030:22:05

Joan Moist.

0:22:050:22:08

-Rowenna Hay.

-Rowenna Hay?!

0:22:080:22:10

Joan Moist, Rowenna Hay and Michaela Craig.

0:22:100:22:13

Not very imaginative! Got to come up with a better one than that.

0:22:130:22:16

-Oh, she's getting all bitchy.

-Oh, fuck off!

0:22:160:22:18

She's getting all bitchy.

0:22:180:22:20

What was your nickname, George?

0:22:200:22:23

-Gina.

-Georgina.

-Gina.

0:22:230:22:25

George is a nice bunch of guys.

0:22:250:22:28

Excuse me, Jon Moss.

0:22:280:22:30

I'm a nice bunch of guys?

0:22:300:22:32

A nice bunch of guys!

0:22:320:22:34

We were the only band with two singers - George and Georgina.

0:22:350:22:38

And we've got a musical director person

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who's like Stalin and Pol Pot rolled into one.

0:22:420:22:45

-INDISTINCT RESPONSE No, you.

-Oh!

0:22:450:22:48

Me and Roy get on very well, actually. Considering.

0:22:480:22:51

-Don't we?

-Yeah. Absolutely.

0:22:510:22:54

-I've been to his house.

-Blimey.

0:22:540:22:57

-You hadn't been to Jon's house, though.

-No, or Mikey's.

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Last time I went into your house I had to go through the garage.

0:23:000:23:04

-In a Cortina.

-Yeah, you did. That's right.

0:23:040:23:07

He drove his car into your house?

0:23:070:23:09

Yes, a lime green Cortina. I remember.

0:23:090:23:11

He then got attacked by a very small hammer.

0:23:110:23:13

It sounds like a country song -

0:23:130:23:15

# I drove my car into your garage... #

0:23:150:23:18

It was a sort of gay mugging.

0:23:200:23:23

A tiny little hammer - "Fuck off!"

0:23:230:23:25

When you want to have a sensible conversation, I'll come back.

0:23:270:23:30

Are you going, George?

0:23:300:23:31

Hang on, wasn't he the one who just pulled that conversation up?

0:23:310:23:34

He brought up going to Jon's house,

0:23:340:23:36

and he brought up feelings, and he left.

0:23:360:23:38

What? Mikey?

0:23:380:23:39

-No, George brought up the conv...

-No, I was actually talking.

0:23:390:23:42

No, George brought it up about going to your house.

0:23:420:23:44

-Coming to your house.

-Yes.

0:23:440:23:46

And then he didn't like it, and he left.

0:23:460:23:49

Do you like to keep a bit of distance?

0:23:490:23:50

Yeah, I like being separate. I'm an outsider.

0:23:500:23:53

When I'm dressed up, it seems to bother them.

0:23:530:23:56

-I don't know.

-Do they react differently to you?

-Yeah.

0:23:560:23:58

Well, people do act different to you when you're dressed up, anyway.

0:23:580:24:01

People do. But you don't expect people that you know to, but they do.

0:24:010:24:06

It's kind of, "Who's she think she is?!"

0:24:060:24:08

Jon did say to me tonight, "Why are you dressed up?"

0:24:080:24:10

Like there has to be a reason!

0:24:100:24:12

It was all right. It wasn't about me, that, anyway.

0:24:120:24:14

Everyone's having such a drama about it. "Oh, George's...

0:24:140:24:17

"You really pissed George off." Didn't fucking piss...

0:24:170:24:20

-George just pissed off. Nothing to do with me.

-Yeah.

0:24:200:24:22

Basically, I'm here to work.

0:24:220:24:23

I'm not here to make friends or have dinner or play card games or any of that shit.

0:24:230:24:27

MUSIC PLAYS BACK HE MOUTHS

0:24:270:24:30

I don't know... It's so weird, this band.

0:24:320:24:35

By the time the documentary'll come,

0:24:350:24:37

we'll probably have fallen out again.

0:24:370:24:39

They might not even air it!

0:24:390:24:41

Better come out quickly, I'm telling you.

0:24:410:24:43

There's only a small window with us,

0:24:430:24:45

they you have to wait another 12 years.

0:24:450:24:47

In a situation like this,

0:24:530:24:54

where you're in a beautiful place but you're also quite trapped...

0:24:540:24:58

I like to go out and have a coffee and walk around...

0:24:580:25:00

I like to be...a bit freer.

0:25:000:25:02

So it's slightly difficult for me to be here.

0:25:020:25:05

But, you know, we'll get round it.

0:25:050:25:07

THEY CHEER

0:25:090:25:12

-Roy's acting...

-Tonight we are men! Real Madrid!

0:25:130:25:15

-Roy's acting - he's gay and doesn't like football.

-Athletico!

0:25:150:25:19

Bueno, bueno!

0:25:210:25:22

FOOTBALL ON TV

0:25:220:25:24

Oh, fuck it, I'm so pissed! What? Hello.

0:25:260:25:29

-Hello.

-So, you've got an e-mail today.

0:25:290:25:31

Yeah, I just got an e-mail from Peter Katsis, our manager.

0:25:310:25:36

And the e-mail says, "Hi, guys. These figures look fantastic.

0:25:360:25:40

"Apparently, we've sold 18,000 tickets..."

0:25:400:25:43

-In the first day.

-In the first day. Which is amazing.

0:25:430:25:46

Excellent. Yeah.

0:25:460:25:47

Absolutely amazing.

0:25:470:25:50

'It's good fun doing this.'

0:25:500:25:52

'I thought it was just me. I could not sleep the night before we came.'

0:25:520:25:55

I was really anxious about who was going to feed the goldfish,

0:25:550:25:58

and my dog and my kids and... You know. All that crap.

0:25:580:26:01

But really it was anxiety about "Where am I going?

0:26:010:26:03

"What's it going to be like?

0:26:030:26:04

"Is it going to be comfortable," you know?

0:26:040:26:06

Did I remember my hand cream. Sort of. You know.

0:26:060:26:10

LIVELY HUBBUB

0:26:100:26:11

If you're somewhere like this

0:26:110:26:13

and someone's really getting on your nerves, and it's really bad.

0:26:130:26:16

And when you're older you're... "I don't need to do this.

0:26:160:26:19

"I don't need to put up with this."

0:26:190:26:21

HE HOOTS

0:26:260:26:28

-It's a wedding.

-What is it?

-I think it's a wedding.

0:26:280:26:31

But, I mean, is there something else

0:26:310:26:34

you need to get out of the trunk, darling?

0:26:340:26:36

Look at the other one's legs, man!

0:26:400:26:42

Pretty girls, Jesus! That's all I need.

0:26:420:26:45

-Look at this little Renault.

-Which little Renault?

-This one right here.

0:26:450:26:48

Fucking crap, mate. I had one of those in Spain, awful.

0:26:480:26:50

It's not. It's a cool little car.

0:26:500:26:52

-Yes, but it doesn't drive very well.

-You're joking.

-Football and cars.

0:26:520:26:55

-How pathetic is that?

-No, and women!

0:26:550:26:57

HE LAUGHS

0:26:570:26:59

I'm not sure about this wind.

0:27:050:27:07

Have you arranged for this wind just to annoy me?

0:27:070:27:10

What about your face? You been in a punch-up?

0:27:100:27:13

I've had a bit of a punch-up, yeah. With a clown.

0:27:130:27:16

The word styling, when you're over 50,

0:27:190:27:21

can wreak fear in your soul.

0:27:210:27:23

But it's kind of a pre-requisite, isn't it? Being a pop star.

0:27:240:27:28

Yeah, but you're not a pop star, at our age, are you?

0:27:280:27:30

Well, I don't know...

0:27:300:27:32

No, it's a prerequisite, but...

0:27:320:27:34

I think the idea at our age

0:27:340:27:35

is not to LOOK like you've been styled, isn't it?

0:27:350:27:37

-Hm.

-You know?

-I guess.

-Do you know what I mean?

-Mm.

0:27:370:27:40

Not an ageing Burton dummy, you know what I mean?

0:27:410:27:44

Glasses on or off?

0:27:440:27:45

-Off.

-Off.

0:27:450:27:46

People want to see your face.

0:27:460:27:48

Do you want to go right back to the wall?

0:27:480:27:50

I'd like to go back to London.

0:27:500:27:53

Get on with it, Dean. You're dragging this out.

0:27:570:28:00

-Lovely.

-If you're kind of quite using this space...

0:28:000:28:02

-That's quite nice.

-That feels good.

0:28:020:28:04

-That's it.

-Turn that way, Jon.

0:28:040:28:06

Don't fart on me.

0:28:060:28:08

That's my glasses, man.

0:28:080:28:09

Go on, Jon, turn around.

0:28:090:28:11

I'm standing like this, stop it.

0:28:110:28:13

This is going well, then!

0:28:140:28:16

THEY LAUGH

0:28:160:28:18

If it doesn't stop in a minute, I'll just go.

0:28:180:28:20

Hello, mate. Can I be in the photo?

0:28:200:28:24

Jon, concentrate on the picture, mate.

0:28:240:28:26

-I am concentrating on the photo, George.

-Lovely. One, two, three...

0:28:260:28:29

-And shall we do a kind of...?

-No, no, no.

0:28:290:28:31

Fuck all that.

0:28:310:28:32

Flies are undone, Mikey.

0:28:320:28:34

Flies undone, Mikey.

0:28:340:28:35

If you're talking, the picture will look shit.

0:28:370:28:40

Been amazing. Thanks.

0:28:420:28:43

THEY LAUGH

0:28:430:28:45

-No, George...!

-He's not finished. Not finished.

0:28:450:28:47

I need a break from them.

0:28:530:28:55

Some of Jon's behaviour... I just thought, "Come on, man!"

0:28:560:28:59

You know, "You're nearly 60.

0:28:590:29:01

"Stop being an idiot. Let's just do this.

0:29:010:29:03

"We're taking this to the world stage. Be classy."

0:29:030:29:06

'It's just who he is. And I can only take so much of it.'

0:29:060:29:09

I feel that we hit the wall two days ago.

0:29:090:29:12

And it has been very odd.

0:29:120:29:14

Like, you said it was a Noel Coward day the other day.

0:29:140:29:16

Which it was, really.

0:29:160:29:17

People were sitting on the balcony, smoking cigarettes and...

0:29:170:29:20

-It was arch, I think is the word.

-Yeah, arch.

0:29:200:29:22

People just sort of not really

0:29:220:29:24

knowing what to do when we're all together.

0:29:240:29:26

See you in London.

0:29:440:29:46

-Safe journey. Take care.

-Bye-bye.

0:29:460:29:48

Eats!

0:30:050:30:06

The glorious city of London.

0:30:080:30:10

-I like this side.

-Yeah, yeah, yeah...

0:30:100:30:13

-Did we go to a party here in a penthouse, once?

-Probably.

0:30:130:30:15

Did you have a friend who lived in there?

0:30:150:30:18

There were many parties in many penthouses in the '80s.

0:30:180:30:20

The whole of the '80s was a party in a penthouse.

0:30:200:30:23

Concentration!

0:30:260:30:27

That's super.

0:30:280:30:30

Lovely!

0:30:300:30:31

My worst memories of Culture Club were photo sessions

0:30:310:30:34

and video shoots.

0:30:340:30:36

So this, for me, was quite a little...

0:30:360:30:38

And they were all his fucking fault!

0:30:380:30:40

It was all my fucking fault.

0:30:400:30:41

-Are you uncomfortable, generally, in these situations?

-I have been.

0:30:410:30:44

-Not your natural environment, is it?

-No, it's not.

0:30:440:30:47

George thrives here. His mother hen comes out.

0:30:470:30:49

-Mother hen?! No...

-But you do, though.

0:30:490:30:51

No, no, my Ziggy Stardust comes out, not my fucking Mother Goose.

0:30:510:30:54

Get it right!

0:30:540:30:57

Whatever it is that makes him get up front, makes him dress up -

0:30:570:31:00

it's the thing that shines here.

0:31:000:31:01

Meanwhile, we make-a the music, yeah?

0:31:010:31:03

We make the music.

0:31:030:31:05

On your own, of course, yeah. SO deluded!

0:31:050:31:08

He comes up with a few words, so he's a bit of a genius...

0:31:080:31:11

See you in fucking court! THEY LAUGH

0:31:110:31:14

Great.

0:31:140:31:15

Sunny's here!

0:31:150:31:18

-Oh, Sunny!

-Hi, Sunny!

0:31:180:31:19

You're hot. You must be really hot.

0:31:190:31:22

How's it been today seeing your dad all dressed up?

0:31:220:31:24

Yeah, he looks great! It's really exciting.

0:31:240:31:26

He looks really amazing.

0:31:260:31:28

It makes me really happy.

0:31:280:31:29

It was crazy growing up, like, you know,

0:31:290:31:33

in the rock and roll lifestyle that I grew up in.

0:31:330:31:36

Kind of, like, no supervision

0:31:360:31:38

and pretty much madness from age 14 onwards.

0:31:380:31:41

It was just growing up in, like, pretty much chaos.

0:31:410:31:45

We used to party together and...

0:31:460:31:48

Yeah, it is kind of like we were just buddies for a long time.

0:31:480:31:51

But he's doing great now.

0:31:510:31:53

And I'm doing all right, now, so now it's really good.

0:31:530:31:55

He's a grandpa now.

0:31:550:31:57

Makes me really happy when I see them play music

0:31:570:31:59

and making music and he's in his element.

0:31:590:32:01

I love it. It's great.

0:32:010:32:03

Fame does weird things.

0:32:090:32:11

Makes people very weird.

0:32:110:32:13

I challenge anyone for it not to.

0:32:140:32:16

REPORTER: 'As expected, Culture Club were besieged by their fans

0:32:160:32:19

'outside the hotel and besieged by the press photographers inside.'

0:32:190:32:23

It was crazy.

0:32:230:32:24

We couldn't get out of theatres sometimes.

0:32:240:32:28

Very scary stuff.

0:32:280:32:29

And you become isolated,

0:32:290:32:31

and when you become isolated you lose touch with reality and

0:32:310:32:34

when you lose touch with reality,

0:32:340:32:36

then of course it changed you.

0:32:360:32:37

It took me a long while to come to terms with that,

0:32:370:32:40

and move on from that in my life, to be honest.

0:32:400:32:43

-MC:

-The winner for the Best British Group... Culture Club!

0:32:430:32:47

CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

0:32:470:32:50

It had mixed blessings being successful, so, yeah...

0:32:510:32:54

The highs are high and the lows were really low.

0:32:540:32:57

It was right about the time that we were asked to do Live Aid

0:32:590:33:02

we noticed that George was not making proper decisions.

0:33:020:33:06

Which led to us not doing Live Aid in the end.

0:33:080:33:11

And it was one of the things that hurt the most about the band.

0:33:110:33:15

We hadn't...not worked for many years,

0:33:150:33:19

and I think everyone had just had enough.

0:33:190:33:22

That's when we noticed that George was beginning to fall apart.

0:33:220:33:26

Beginning to...

0:33:260:33:27

Well, experiment with drugs, I guess.

0:33:290:33:31

Well, it was funny,

0:33:310:33:33

he literally went from nothing to heroin in about three weeks.

0:33:330:33:36

Seeing George descend into heroin addiction was probably...

0:33:360:33:39

I mean, it was horrible.

0:33:390:33:40

It was absolutely horrible.

0:33:400:33:42

Horrible.

0:33:420:33:44

George O'Dowd was greeted by scores of squealing fans

0:33:440:33:47

as he arrived to face the magistrate -

0:33:470:33:49

and the music, as well.

0:33:490:33:51

He was found guilty of possession of heroin,

0:33:510:33:54

and was fined £250, about 375 in US money.

0:33:540:33:57

When he came out of the courtroom,

0:33:590:34:01

he told his fans he was sorry,

0:34:010:34:03

and he urged them to learn from what happened to him.

0:34:030:34:06

That made me... I was off.

0:34:060:34:08

I just, you know, I couldn't...care about the band.

0:34:080:34:10

"You can't do it," you know. "The band'll break up!"

0:34:100:34:13

Fuck it, I don't care. I don't want to be around this.

0:34:130:34:15

I just did not want to be around that.

0:34:150:34:17

Those couple of years after the band,

0:34:170:34:19

and watching all that shit in the papers about George.

0:34:190:34:21

Kind of watching our legacy be destroyed in public, really...

0:34:210:34:24

It was kind of a low point for me.

0:34:240:34:26

After you'd stopped working for Culture Club,

0:34:260:34:29

-what have you done in the interim?

-Oh, God.

0:34:290:34:32

Writing songs for a while,

0:34:320:34:33

producing for a while,

0:34:330:34:35

then I got into doing music for commercials

0:34:350:34:37

then into doing TV stuff...

0:34:370:34:38

then I got into becoming

0:34:380:34:40

an international playboy.

0:34:400:34:42

That didn't go very well.

0:34:430:34:45

And then, erm... Just madness.

0:34:450:34:47

Most of the time, really, I've been, erm...being Mr Dad.

0:34:470:34:51

WOMAN: Ciao! Morning!

0:34:550:34:56

Ciao, Paco! How was the game yesterday?

0:34:560:34:59

It was good. It was...

0:34:590:35:00

-We got worked.

-What was the score?

0:35:000:35:03

We lost by 4-1 but two of their goals were pure jam.

0:35:030:35:05

What about your dad going on tour?

0:35:050:35:07

Are you looking forward to seeing him on stage?

0:35:070:35:09

Um, obviously it's nice that he's going back on tour,

0:35:090:35:12

but I'm not really that excited

0:35:120:35:13

about him on stage and things like that.

0:35:130:35:16

He's just my dad, he takes me to and from matches, so...

0:35:160:35:20

It's more my teachers and my mates and their parents, kind of thing,

0:35:200:35:24

that are quite excited and come up to me, but,

0:35:240:35:27

I don't... I kind of missed that excitement, really, yeah.

0:35:270:35:31

All right, and make sure this documentary

0:35:310:35:33

is the start of something, instead of...you know.

0:35:330:35:36

You know what I'm saying, Dad?

0:35:360:35:38

Cos you guys do this stuff every now and then

0:35:380:35:40

-and I want to make sure you follow this through.

-Right.

0:35:400:35:43

-Well put!

-Thank you.

0:35:430:35:44

All right, my darling.

0:35:440:35:46

Come on. We're going to go now.

0:35:460:35:49

-Love you.

-See you later, Paco.

-Ciao amore.

-Ciao, amore.

0:35:490:35:52

I'll take it, I'll take it, I'll take it.

0:35:520:35:54

The first time I ever heard house music was in the Paradise Garage,

0:35:570:36:00

and I was actually making

0:36:000:36:01

an album with Culture Club and it was really overproduced,

0:36:010:36:04

and I went to this club on the weekend and heard this amazing music

0:36:040:36:08

and was like, "Oh, my God, what we're doing's so wrong."

0:36:080:36:11

But it was too late, we were in the middle of it.

0:36:110:36:14

And that record was a record called...

0:36:140:36:16

This weekend I've got a gig in London on Friday

0:36:170:36:19

and then I've got a gig in Rimini on Saturday.

0:36:190:36:21

Then I go to Toronto, Provence, Ibiza...

0:36:210:36:24

But all that travelling, does that in some way...

0:36:240:36:27

Is that at the expense of other things in your life?

0:36:270:36:30

You mean like sex?

0:36:300:36:31

HE LAUGHS

0:36:310:36:33

Dental appointments.

0:36:330:36:35

But you're not at home a lot, so in terms of forging relationships

0:36:350:36:38

and things like this, do you think it gets in the way?

0:36:380:36:40

I was talking about this the other day,

0:36:400:36:42

that I used to have such a kind of...

0:36:420:36:44

So much energy for the chase,

0:36:440:36:46

you know, like, "Oh, you know, what's your star sign?"

0:36:460:36:50

"Oh, I feel like we've met before." Yawn.

0:36:500:36:52

You know, all that palaver - now I just can't be bothered.

0:36:520:36:56

You know, I don't feel like I'm missing anything.

0:36:560:36:58

OK, let's go.

0:37:020:37:03

Can we go somewhere other than this lobby? Cos it's, like, non-stop.

0:37:030:37:08

For some reason, I don't know, I think people engage

0:37:080:37:11

very differently with famous people now.

0:37:110:37:14

It's weird now. If people know who you are

0:37:140:37:16

they'll come up and ask for a selfie or an autograph.

0:37:160:37:19

If you're a reality star or a pop star or a footballer,

0:37:190:37:22

it's like, "Oh, you know, you're famous, can I take a picture?"

0:37:220:37:26

It's not about you, it's about them.

0:37:260:37:28

-Don't be frightened.

-Are we ready?

0:37:320:37:34

It's a joyous song.

0:37:340:37:36

It's a song about a chameleon.

0:37:360:37:38

One, two, one, two, three, four.

0:37:390:37:41

# There's a love in your eyes... #

0:37:470:37:50

Have you seen your dad play before?

0:37:500:37:52

Yeah, when I was about five, Albert Hall.

0:37:520:37:54

He spent his whole life saying, "What does my dad do?", poor thing.

0:37:540:37:57

Playing with little bands and... All my kids are the same,

0:37:580:38:01

that's what's going to be so good about this.

0:38:010:38:03

By the time I got married and had my kids we'd stopped,

0:38:030:38:05

we'd stopped stopping.

0:38:050:38:06

So this is really good, because when you actually see it,

0:38:060:38:09

like the O2 or something, then it all makes sense.

0:38:090:38:11

And I put him off the business forever, which is a good thing.

0:38:110:38:14

He'll be a lawyer or a doctor or something.

0:38:140:38:16

# Loving would be easy if your colours were like my dream

0:38:210:38:25

# Red, gold and green Red, gold and green. #

0:38:250:38:31

Thank God Roy's not here or we'd be getting all sorts of orders

0:38:370:38:40

about how it should be done and shouldn't be done,

0:38:400:38:42

how we're not doing this right.

0:38:420:38:44

But Peg Leg's not here, so...

0:38:440:38:46

Peggy Mount's not here.

0:38:480:38:49

"Peg Leg's not here," oh, dear.

0:38:490:38:52

You know what I did was

0:38:520:38:53

I kind of registered my disappointment, then I moved on.

0:38:530:38:56

I just sent him an e-mail saying "I'm disappointed you're not coming,"

0:38:560:39:00

because - I don't know if you remember, maybe you filmed this -

0:39:000:39:02

but he didn't really want to come anyway.

0:39:020:39:04

So it seems a bit con...

0:39:040:39:05

I mean, I know he has to have knee surgery and all of that,

0:39:050:39:09

but it did seem a bit like he planned it so he didn't have to come.

0:39:090:39:12

"Oh, my knee! Oh, my knee! I couldn't possibly be there!"

0:39:120:39:15

-Do you think that he didn't actually want to come?

-Not at all.

0:39:150:39:18

No, that's ridiculous. No, he's really...

0:39:180:39:20

When we were in Spain his leg was really bad.

0:39:200:39:22

I sympathise with him.

0:39:220:39:23

I learned quite a lot in Spain.

0:39:250:39:28

You think you know it all, but you don't, really, don't you?

0:39:280:39:31

We're all different because we're older,

0:39:310:39:33

but underneath it all we're still the same,

0:39:330:39:35

so when those same things surface...

0:39:350:39:39

you know, it gets you a little bit, "Argh!"

0:39:390:39:41

Och aye. What a dump.

0:39:460:39:48

By the way, Roy sends his love.

0:39:500:39:51

Oh, don't overdo it. Poor Roy!

0:39:510:39:53

-Roy sends his love to you, you, you, you...

-It's the Roy appreciation.

0:39:530:39:57

-"Oh, poor Roy."

-To everyone. He sends his love.

0:39:570:39:59

Didn't want to come!

0:39:590:40:01

-She wouldn't...

-No, he had to have the work done.

0:40:010:40:03

-Hold on.

-He had to have the work done.

0:40:030:40:05

She's had a gammy knee for years.

0:40:050:40:06

-Yeah, I've got a gammy knee as well.

-Well, you're here.

0:40:060:40:09

Yeah. But anyway, Roy did need to do it.

0:40:090:40:11

-Has he paid you a fiver to keep going, "Oh, poor Roy?"

-No, no, no.

0:40:110:40:14

Basically, Roy's not here bossing everyone around

0:40:140:40:16

and trying to call the shots.

0:40:160:40:18

-Michael, quick, it's a coup!

-No, no, no, no.

0:40:180:40:21

-Anyway.

-Never mind, it's fine.

0:40:210:40:23

And the end of the day I was sitting there going...

0:40:230:40:26

Do you know what? I've learned not to hate you any more...

0:40:260:40:29

Why would you hate me? I'm lovely!

0:40:290:40:31

..even when you, you piss me off, I've learned not to hate you.

0:40:310:40:35

-It's got my name wrong, as well.

-Joan.

-Joan Moist.

0:40:360:40:39

That's, like, a bit filthy.

0:40:390:40:41

Your kids are going to see this. Behave.

0:40:410:40:43

-They're my children.

-I know your children very well.

0:40:430:40:46

Babs used to go on about this.

0:40:460:40:47

"The kids are going to find out what happens, they'll watch that programme."

0:40:470:40:51

Watched it. "You all right about it?"

0:40:510:40:53

-"Yeah." And she was like, "And?"

-Good.

0:40:530:40:55

She was quite excited about it, in fact, something to talk about.

0:40:550:40:58

Good. Well, I can fill her in the details if she wants.

0:40:580:41:00

No, that's probably not a good idea.

0:41:000:41:02

You're sailing a bit close to the wind here, George.

0:41:020:41:04

-Like when you said...

-Shut up! I'll kill you!

0:41:040:41:06

When you said to the journalist,

0:41:060:41:08

"I smashed a pot over George's head and he tried to set fire to me."

0:41:080:41:11

But that's true!

0:41:110:41:12

You threw a plant pot through the first floor

0:41:120:41:14

and it would have killed me, and then you wouldn't come out,

0:41:140:41:17

going, "I'm not coming out! Fuck off, Jon, fuck off, Jon!"

0:41:170:41:20

-But, Jon, babe, babe, babe...

-Look at your shoes!

0:41:200:41:23

..can I just say something?

0:41:230:41:24

I could spend the next 20 years telling you stories

0:41:240:41:27

about things you did.

0:41:270:41:29

-Cool, I don't mind.

-Don't tell journalists things like that.

0:41:290:41:32

Well, it's better than saying you sniffed my bum in Hampstead.

0:41:320:41:34

-My mum was like, "Why did he say that?"

-That's what you said.

0:41:340:41:37

She said, "Why did he say that?" I said, "That's Jon."

0:41:370:41:40

You said you sniffed my bum like a dog in Hampstead.

0:41:400:41:42

-That would have been a much worse headline!

-I never said that!

0:41:420:41:44

-Much worse headline.

-I never said that!

0:41:440:41:46

-You did!

-No, no, I did not.

-Oh, yes, you did.

0:41:460:41:49

OK, let me say what I said.

0:41:490:41:51

I said when you're around people you do the sniffy thing like dogs.

0:41:510:41:54

-You said, "He sniffed my bum!"

-No, I didn't.

0:41:540:41:56

-I never said that!

-I didn't say you sniffed my bum.

0:41:560:41:58

An animal, going... HE SNIFFS

0:41:580:41:59

No. Roy said, "That's good, George, isn't it?!

0:41:590:42:01

"Now they're going to write you sniffed his bum in Hampstead!"

0:42:010:42:04

That's what it was. "That's bloody clever, George, isn't it?!

0:42:040:42:06

"I'm leaving!"

0:42:060:42:08

Move on.

0:42:080:42:09

SAXOPHONE PLAYS

0:42:090:42:12

Sounds like Benny Hill.

0:42:140:42:16

It's like Benny Hill with the sax, though, don't you think?

0:42:160:42:20

I'm going round to everyone going,

0:42:200:42:22

"Don't mess this up, right? It's really important."

0:42:220:42:24

Psychological games.

0:42:260:42:27

Don't fuck this up.

0:42:300:42:32

Don't fuck this up.

0:42:340:42:36

-Jon?

-Yeah?

0:42:380:42:40

-Don't fuck this up.

-Don't what?

-Don't fuck this up.

0:42:400:42:43

I was going to say the same to you, actually.

0:42:430:42:45

He said it to everyone, the bastard.

0:42:450:42:47

Guys, are we ready?

0:42:490:42:51

He keeps asking if I'm nervous, he's trying to make me edgy.

0:42:510:42:54

CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

0:42:540:42:56

The battlements of Edinburgh Castle have witnessed wars, sieges,

0:42:560:43:00

murders and revolutions,

0:43:000:43:01

but the tension and turmoil of changed are nothing

0:43:010:43:04

compared to what our next guests have been through.

0:43:040:43:07

Please welcome Mikey Craig, Jon Moss and Boy George -

0:43:070:43:10

it's happening - from Culture Club!

0:43:100:43:13

CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

0:43:130:43:15

# Do you really want to hurt me?

0:43:190:43:22

# Do you really want to make me cry?

0:43:240:43:27

# Precious kisses, words that burn me

0:43:290:43:33

# Those lovers never ask you why

0:43:330:43:38

# Do you really want to hurt me?

0:43:380:43:43

# Do you really want to make me cry... #

0:43:430:43:48

Happy birthday to Jon's son, Clyde, who's 17 today.

0:43:480:43:51

# Do you really want to make me cry? #

0:43:540:44:00

Ho! Beautiful.

0:44:000:44:01

CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

0:44:010:44:03

Thank you very much.

0:44:040:44:06

CHEERING

0:44:060:44:08

I hope you're going to come and see us when we play in December.

0:44:100:44:13

Absolutely phenomenal, so brilliant to have you back.

0:44:140:44:17

Wasn't it good?

0:44:200:44:22

-We've got to be out of here in ten minutes.

-All right.

0:44:220:44:25

Let's go, let's go. Let's vamoose.

0:44:250:44:27

That was good, it's good.

0:44:270:44:29

It's like one of those weird things, it was, like, so quick,

0:44:290:44:34

it's hard to even kind of think about what it was like.

0:44:340:44:36

I just couldn't tell you, I'll wait to see the tweets.

0:44:360:44:40

"Oh, she's awful, she's out of tune,

0:44:400:44:42

"they should give up."

0:44:420:44:43

You know that saying, critics go in after the battle is won

0:44:430:44:46

and shoot the survivors?

0:44:460:44:47

Move on.

0:44:470:44:49

BAND PLAYS

0:44:550:44:58

# He was living in his car on the side of the road

0:45:020:45:06

# Like a crack pipe Jesus... #

0:45:060:45:10

Interesting times, yes. George has...

0:45:110:45:14

George has changed management in midstream.

0:45:140:45:17

Yeah, which is, er...

0:45:170:45:20

Well, even by George's standards,

0:45:200:45:22

that's pretty impressive to create chaos.

0:45:220:45:24

It's the first person I've ever met who actually has a kind of plan.

0:45:240:45:28

'The kind of music business that we know doesn't exist any more.

0:45:280:45:31

'The sort of bog-standard ways of doing things just are over.

0:45:310:45:35

'I need someone who can see a bigger picture, and I've found someone.'

0:45:350:45:39

We've almost got three sets of managers now managing the band,

0:45:390:45:43

so you've got e-mails going round and round and round and round,

0:45:430:45:46

and we got to the point where we almost lost an American tour.

0:45:460:45:52

It's amazing that I'm actually here in this country.

0:45:520:45:55

So you nearly didn't come over, then?

0:45:570:45:59

No, because nothing was arranged.

0:45:590:46:00

All I really want is to be able to go out and play new songs.

0:46:000:46:05

I mean, thank God we've got the album in the bag.

0:46:070:46:10

I think that saved us, because we all believe in the record.

0:46:100:46:14

-JON:

-Really, it's not that difficult, you know what I mean?

0:46:150:46:18

We do it, we rehearse, we go out and play.

0:46:180:46:20

It's just a question of whether you want drama

0:46:200:46:22

or you don't want drama, you know. I personally go for the non-drama.

0:46:220:46:26

But this is Culture Club.

0:46:260:46:28

I know, but it's supposed to get better!

0:46:280:46:30

It's got fucking worse!

0:46:300:46:32

# You could be a different man... #

0:46:330:46:37

CROWD CHATTERING

0:46:410:46:44

It's a very historic day.

0:46:520:46:53

Culture Club back after 12 years, isn't it? So I love it.

0:46:530:46:59

# Do you really want to hurt me? #

0:46:590:47:02

Lovely. I love it. Fantastic.

0:47:020:47:04

This is like my idea of hell.

0:47:040:47:06

There's, like, so many people in the dressing room,

0:47:060:47:09

there's nowhere to get changed, there's nowhere just to be quiet.

0:47:090:47:11

That's really important before a show.

0:47:110:47:13

There were supposed to be some press interviews and things.

0:47:130:47:16

-Don't know about that.

-Cancelled?

-I don't know.

-OK.

0:47:160:47:20

I'm just a drummer now.

0:47:200:47:22

I'm not going to do interviews on the day of the show.

0:47:220:47:25

So get ready two hours before you need to, for what?

0:47:250:47:28

To be on the news?

0:47:280:47:30

It really wasn't my... I didn't cancel Vogue.

0:47:300:47:33

Shall we go? Shall we go, Georgie?

0:47:350:47:37

CHEERING

0:47:370:47:40

Hello, Heaven!

0:47:420:47:43

CHEERING

0:47:430:47:45

BAND PLAYS

0:47:480:47:50

CHEERING AND WHOOPING

0:47:550:47:58

# Desolate loving in your eyes

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# You used to make my life so sweet

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# In the church of the poison mind

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# In the church of the poison mind

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# In the church of the poison mind

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# In the church of the poison mind

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# In the church of the poison mind. #

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CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

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Someone backstage just asked me my name, so there's work to be done.

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# I could use a little more than silence

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# Silence is a moon

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# In a lonely sky... #

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Loved it, especially the new songs.

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He looks amazing and sounded amazing. It's fantastic.

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Very nice. It was a fantastic night, seriously.

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Thank you very much!

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CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

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Everybody, well done. Everybody, well done. Great, man.

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-Thank you, girls. Magnificent.

-Thank you, Roy.

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I'm happy, yeah, good.

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Quite tired, actually, which is not good.

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Now what do I do?

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I used to drink myself into oblivion,

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but I can't do that any more!

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Great gig, mate, thanks very much. Guys, great job.

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Do you know what the dates are?

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Yeah. We get there on the Monday, I think,

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Friday's Atlantic City, we fly out on Saturday.

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Who knows? Who knows what's going to happen? We don't know.

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-Who knows what might happen?

-Anything's possible for January.

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-Signing a deal for...

-Revlon.

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I don't think he quite understands rock 'n' roll.

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I've got him ten revenue, ten streams of revenue for George,

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it's going to be this and that, this and that.

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You boys, 300 million it's going to be worth, you boys will be in on it.

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But, in a way, maybe that's a good thing.

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Has it created divisions?

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Yeah, having a new person in the mix when everything was...?

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No, it's kind of brought the three of us very close together, actually.

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When you say the three of us, I mean, the three of you...

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-Divisions with George?

-Yeah?

-Well, George is George, you know.

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But the three of us are now, you know,

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very much...close together.

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Glitzy!

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VOCAL WARM-UPS

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VOCAL WARM-UPS

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OK, stand by.

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MUSIC: Karma Chameleon

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# There's a loving in your eyes all the way... #

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'I'm the only one that's singing live.

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'We don't do it like that any more, so it's a bit of a weird thing.'

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And it's really weird... It's just...

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You know what? We just made a great new album

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that they could have easily done a dance to.

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# Every day is about survival... #

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'I just thought we could have done Runaway Train,

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'it would have been just as good as Karma Chameleon.'

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I love it, I do it live, I've always done it live.

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It's kind of like a...

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What you'd call a fait accompli.

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Time for some brilliant music.

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Here with Karma Chameleon, it's Culture Club!

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CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

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# Karma karma karma karma Karma chameleon

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# You come and go

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# You come and go

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# Loving would be easy if your colours were like my dream

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# Red, gold and green Red, gold and green. #

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CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

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HE HUMS

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-Thank you very, very, very much.

-Thank you, honey, fabulous. Bless you.

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I wouldn't describe it as my finest musical moment.

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I couldn't really hear anything, La-la-la-la-la.

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La-la-la!

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No, I mean, you know, I'm...

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I'm old, I'm very old. I'm very old.

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I suppose, at the end of the day, the bottom line is that it's done,

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so what's next?

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Some more coconut soup. That's what I want.

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MUSIC PLAYS

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Let's go from the chorus. Very nice.

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How are you, Mr Hay?

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Recovering from the barrage of bad comments after last night.

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I know, I know!

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The reviews for Heaven - fantastic, you know, great show.

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We were on such high, man. Everything was great, and then...

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I think getting in front of 12 million

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and a lacklustre performance.

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I don't know if he was tired or sick or didn't want to do it,

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he was pissed off we had to do Karma...

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-But he was in a good mood all day.

-Yeah.

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I'm just hoping he's OK, you know.

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Maybe physically he wasn't feeling very well.

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You know, everybody's been going wild about Heaven.

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It was amazing.

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And then to have that high and then come down to a low is...

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It's a little bit worrying.

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An iconic band cancels their North American tour.

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# Do you really want to hurt me? #

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'80s band Culture Club has cancelled their North American

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and UK reunion tour after it was discovered

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Boy George has a vocal polyp.

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Doctors ordered the 53-year-old to stop singing

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otherwise he'll need to undergo surgery.

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Boy George took to Facebook to apologise to his fans, saying...

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-What did he say?

-There's been a bit of an improvement.

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But I'm going to have to actually have some periods

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where I don't speak, so that's going to be really challenging!

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And did they give you any indication of when you can sing again?

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Well, he said it's one of those things.

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I need, you know, therapy, I need to have some therapy,

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which is what I'll do with this lady, and then we'll see.

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It's not something you can kind of measure. Do you know what I mean?

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He said there's been an improvement, so that's good news,

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but, obviously, if I were to go out and start shouting and screaming

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and, you know, running around town it probably wouldn't be a good idea,

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so, you know, I've got to recuperate. I think that's the key, you know.

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Really, the last thing I should be doing right now

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is going to meet the fans, but I'll just try and keep quiet.

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The band think that I'm just being...

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difficult and selfish and blah blah blah blah.

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They want to go out and just do it and I don't,

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and I'm not going to.

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I just want to do this properly.

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Sometimes, in order to do that,

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you have to be belligerent and fight people.

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That's what's happening right now.

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-Are there plans for you to go back out on the road?

-Not right now.

0:56:250:56:28

Not right now. No.

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-Where have you come from?

-Singapore.

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I'm from New York. We just arrived today.

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-Where have you two come from?

-From Italy.

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How did you feel when you heard that the dates were cancelled?

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It was very disappointing.

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We've had the flights and the hotel,

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and so we couldn't believe that it was cancelled.

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We just decided to come anyway

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because we can't cancel the hotel and flights.

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Cos you've been a fan of George's a long time, haven't you?

0:57:030:57:06

Oh, my God, since I was 13. Yeah, that's a long time, and I'm 46 now.

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So, yeah, that's quite a bit, yeah.

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I'm in a cafe in Hampstead with a load of people

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that came to the shows.

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There's like one, two... There's a lot.

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I'm buying them chips.

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It felt like a dream, it was, like, not real.

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Didn't really feel like we were really there, but...

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Everybody put their hands up!

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I couldn't believe that I had a conversation like friends.

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I never saw this article.

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It's actually quite a good picture. Well, of me!

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"The happy ending."

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Love you. And I'm going. Au revoir.

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-Bye-bye. Safe travels.

-Bye, George!

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A bientot.

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Right, so I'm going now. Where's the thing?

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OK, well, thanks for that.

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Really got on my nerves, just want you to know.

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Please don't bother me again, don't come round me again with your stupid camera.

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See you later.

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-We'll see each other next week, yeah?

-Yeah, Monday, yeah?

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-All right, love you, bye.

-Bye, bye, bye.

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The common-sense thing is if you sit down and talk about things,

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things sort of get resolved,

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or at least people know roughly where they are.

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PHONE DIALLING

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Hello, Mikey.

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Do you want to meet up for a coffee on Saturday morning?

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All right, darling, I'll see you then.

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PHONE DIALLING

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Jon.

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I just said to Mikey I'll have coffee with him

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on Saturday morning if you want to join us.

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That's two down. One to go!

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