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Simon Rattle is the British conductor who conquered the world. | 0:00:15 | 0:00:19 | |
Simon... | 0:00:19 | 0:00:21 | |
Rattle! | 0:00:21 | 0:00:23 | |
From all my musicians and myself, we send you our love. Bless you. | 0:00:24 | 0:00:29 | |
From opera to oratorio, | 0:00:29 | 0:00:31 | |
early music to modernism, | 0:00:31 | 0:00:33 | |
Rattle has always led from the front. | 0:00:33 | 0:00:36 | |
If you just watch him, you can tell he's a great conductor. | 0:00:44 | 0:00:47 | |
He is both a master, and, at the same time, | 0:00:49 | 0:00:52 | |
he has the openness of a child. | 0:00:52 | 0:00:55 | |
His ears are enormous, like an elephant! | 0:00:58 | 0:01:01 | |
And his genius is his sympathy with all the players in front of him. | 0:01:02 | 0:01:07 | |
He has been a cultural dynamo in cities from Birmingham to Berlin. | 0:01:09 | 0:01:14 | |
This is a conducted tour of Simon Rattle's 60th year. | 0:01:15 | 0:01:21 | |
'It's actually... What bargain do you make with the devil?' | 0:01:22 | 0:01:26 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:01:26 | 0:01:30 | |
Sir Simon Rattle is the music director and chief conductor | 0:01:35 | 0:01:38 | |
of the orchestra many consider the ultimate classical music machine - | 0:01:38 | 0:01:43 | |
the Berlin Philharmonic. | 0:01:43 | 0:01:45 | |
Berlin is a city on the faultline of history. | 0:02:06 | 0:02:09 | |
Largely destroyed at the end of the Second World War, | 0:02:12 | 0:02:15 | |
divided for more than a generation by the Berlin Wall, | 0:02:15 | 0:02:19 | |
a towering, grey symbol of the Cold War, | 0:02:19 | 0:02:22 | |
and over the last quarter of a century, | 0:02:22 | 0:02:25 | |
rebuilt and re-established as capital of one Germany. | 0:02:25 | 0:02:29 | |
When I first used to come here, | 0:02:29 | 0:02:31 | |
people would say, "Oh, the saxophone player, | 0:02:31 | 0:02:35 | |
"he's coming from Germany to here." They didn't say, | 0:02:35 | 0:02:37 | |
"He's coming from Frankfurt." Because it was such an island. | 0:02:37 | 0:02:41 | |
It's a very different shared history, | 0:02:41 | 0:02:43 | |
and I wonder what we would be like, tested to that degree. | 0:02:43 | 0:02:48 | |
I wouldn't be very optimistic. | 0:02:48 | 0:02:50 | |
The nearest to tyranny my generation has gone through | 0:02:50 | 0:02:53 | |
is Margaret Thatcher. HE LAUGHS | 0:02:53 | 0:02:56 | |
We've led a very protected life! | 0:02:56 | 0:02:57 | |
Rattle is on his way to the home of his orchestra, | 0:03:00 | 0:03:03 | |
the Philharmonie, purpose built in the 1950s, hard up against | 0:03:03 | 0:03:06 | |
the Berlin Wall on the Western side, | 0:03:06 | 0:03:09 | |
a striking Cold War political statement. | 0:03:09 | 0:03:12 | |
Just by the Phil, there was the East and here is the West. | 0:03:14 | 0:03:19 | |
That was no-man's-land. | 0:03:19 | 0:03:21 | |
I can just about remember, but only just. | 0:03:21 | 0:03:26 | |
It makes no sense, so it's hard to keep in the mind. | 0:03:26 | 0:03:32 | |
Rattle has always pushed the boundaries of music | 0:03:32 | 0:03:35 | |
and this evening he is due to conduct a staged version | 0:03:35 | 0:03:38 | |
of Bach's St John Passion - | 0:03:38 | 0:03:40 | |
one of the masterpieces of church music | 0:03:40 | 0:03:43 | |
that some people consider too sacred to be dramatised. | 0:03:43 | 0:03:48 | |
CHORAL SINGING | 0:03:48 | 0:03:52 | |
This is Germany, everything is sacred here, | 0:04:05 | 0:04:08 | |
so you can always upset some people. | 0:04:08 | 0:04:10 | |
But, certainly, the whole idea of staging a Bach Passion was very hard. | 0:04:10 | 0:04:16 | |
It took two years to persuade the orchestra, | 0:04:16 | 0:04:18 | |
with still some people begging me not to do it. | 0:04:18 | 0:04:22 | |
THEY SPEAK IN GERMAN | 0:04:22 | 0:04:23 | |
For a lot of people, it is a holy piece, | 0:04:23 | 0:04:25 | |
where you are supposed to stand and sing, as in a concert. | 0:04:25 | 0:04:28 | |
Rattle's controversial vision for the Passion involves orchestra, | 0:04:28 | 0:04:32 | |
choir and soloists all acting out the Gospel story | 0:04:32 | 0:04:36 | |
on the stage of the Philharmonie. | 0:04:36 | 0:04:38 | |
The orchestra were quite nervous of what they'd been asked to do, | 0:04:38 | 0:04:43 | |
um, and Simon has got great daring | 0:04:43 | 0:04:47 | |
and never seemed to panic about sort of negative feedback he got, | 0:04:47 | 0:04:51 | |
and really created something that went into the piece in a much | 0:04:51 | 0:04:55 | |
deeper way than normal. | 0:04:55 | 0:04:57 | |
He took something so sacred | 0:04:57 | 0:04:59 | |
that people were afraid of touching, | 0:04:59 | 0:05:02 | |
and said, actually, not only is nothing sacred, | 0:05:02 | 0:05:08 | |
but the very attempt to grasp it is the noblest thing we can do. | 0:05:08 | 0:05:12 | |
If you've never heard this, you are completely unprepared. | 0:05:14 | 0:05:18 | |
It changes your life. | 0:05:18 | 0:05:20 | |
'It was a good argument to have. | 0:05:20 | 0:05:21 | |
'I'm glad we didn't back down, because it has brought the orchestra | 0:05:21 | 0:05:25 | |
'and the singers together in a way | 0:05:25 | 0:05:26 | |
'that almost nothing else does, because it gives them' | 0:05:26 | 0:05:29 | |
the right level of responsibility, which is almost everything. | 0:05:29 | 0:05:33 | |
'Simon is not one of those conductors who is into | 0:05:35 | 0:05:38 | |
'the contest of wills. | 0:05:38 | 0:05:39 | |
'It's not me versus you and I win, cos I have the stick! | 0:05:39 | 0:05:43 | |
'Simon genuinely is interested in the possibility of democracy, | 0:05:43 | 0:05:49 | |
'and he has this incredible sense of, "What's the best way | 0:05:49 | 0:05:53 | |
'"to get a whole group of people to have' | 0:05:53 | 0:05:57 | |
"an amazing moment of discovery together?" | 0:05:57 | 0:05:59 | |
You can sing in the chorus, you can be a soloist, you can be | 0:06:00 | 0:06:05 | |
a musician from the orchestra, we are all the same to him. | 0:06:05 | 0:06:08 | |
'If Bach doesn't teach you humility, kind of, nothing will.' | 0:06:10 | 0:06:14 | |
Our world divides into people | 0:06:15 | 0:06:20 | |
who are supremely confident, | 0:06:20 | 0:06:23 | |
and those who have doubts every day. | 0:06:23 | 0:06:25 | |
'And I'm on the doubts-every-day team. | 0:06:25 | 0:06:29 | |
'Probably just as well. It means you don't take too much for granted. | 0:06:29 | 0:06:34 | |
'But sometimes it makes it... Well, of course it makes it hard. | 0:06:34 | 0:06:39 | |
'This is a hard profession, and it doesn't get any easier, | 0:06:39 | 0:06:43 | |
'you have to get used to that and you have to do the best you can | 0:06:43 | 0:06:49 | |
'and realise that that is the best you can do.' | 0:06:49 | 0:06:53 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:06:57 | 0:07:01 | |
The music pours out of him. | 0:07:09 | 0:07:11 | |
But that wouldn't work if it wasn't for the integrity, | 0:07:11 | 0:07:15 | |
the personality, the chemistry that goes on when Simon Rattle's about. | 0:07:15 | 0:07:21 | |
Working with Simon is intriguing, because he is both a master, | 0:07:47 | 0:07:53 | |
and at the same time, he has the openness of a child. | 0:07:53 | 0:07:57 | |
I've sung this role many times in concert performances. | 0:07:59 | 0:08:03 | |
I thought I knew the St John Passion. | 0:08:03 | 0:08:05 | |
But he wants me to listen to it differently. | 0:08:05 | 0:08:07 | |
SINGING IN GERMAN | 0:08:08 | 0:08:10 | |
CHORAL SINGING | 0:08:32 | 0:08:33 | |
He loves fresh interpretations. | 0:08:38 | 0:08:40 | |
He always gives us the feeling, the world has to hear this music, | 0:08:40 | 0:08:45 | |
and the world has to see us doing this piece. | 0:08:45 | 0:08:49 | |
He seems to be in a perpetual state of wonder. | 0:08:53 | 0:08:56 | |
He knows what he wants, that's very clear, | 0:08:57 | 0:09:01 | |
but he also loves working in the moment with what is in front of him. | 0:09:01 | 0:09:05 | |
With this type of staging, there was even more emotions going on, | 0:09:12 | 0:09:16 | |
not only from the performance, | 0:09:16 | 0:09:17 | |
but also from the people in the audience. | 0:09:17 | 0:09:20 | |
It didn't necessarily have to be about their relationship with | 0:09:24 | 0:09:27 | |
Jesus or religion, but it was all about actually human beings, | 0:09:27 | 0:09:31 | |
about their lives - they all left the hall with tears in their eyes. | 0:09:31 | 0:09:36 | |
He's wonderful. | 0:09:36 | 0:09:38 | |
I think he's wonderful. | 0:09:38 | 0:09:40 | |
I'm really astonished, this is just amazing. | 0:09:40 | 0:09:42 | |
I was really impressed. I thought the singers were talking to me. | 0:09:42 | 0:09:46 | |
It was great, this was really a privilege. | 0:09:46 | 0:09:49 | |
Of course, it was very British! | 0:09:49 | 0:09:52 | |
# Sie liebt dich, yeah, yeah, yeah... # | 0:09:54 | 0:09:57 | |
Simon Rattle was born and grew up in Liverpool. | 0:09:57 | 0:10:01 | |
There's a kind of narrative I'm supposed to give, isn't there? | 0:10:01 | 0:10:06 | |
About the Beatles, yeah, and swinging Liverpool and all that stuff, | 0:10:06 | 0:10:13 | |
and having a house near Penny Lane, | 0:10:13 | 0:10:16 | |
which actually we did, | 0:10:16 | 0:10:20 | |
going to The Cavern, which actually I didn't... | 0:10:20 | 0:10:24 | |
And, look, the peculiar thing is, there was | 0:10:24 | 0:10:26 | |
so much going on in Liverpool at the time, that it was actually | 0:10:26 | 0:10:30 | |
kind of possible to miss most of that. | 0:10:30 | 0:10:32 | |
He came from a very musical and supportive family, | 0:10:36 | 0:10:42 | |
and one of the first things that he did was to learn to read scores. | 0:10:42 | 0:10:47 | |
And then he would put on little concerts at home, where | 0:10:47 | 0:10:51 | |
everybody was assigned a percussion instrument and had to play along. | 0:10:51 | 0:10:55 | |
'When I was 15, I heard Liverpool Philharmonic | 0:10:56 | 0:10:59 | |
'in their ongoing Mahler cycle.' | 0:10:59 | 0:11:01 | |
I suppose that was such a powerful, life-changing event for me. | 0:11:01 | 0:11:07 | |
I can remember everything about the three or four days around it, | 0:11:07 | 0:11:11 | |
just because it was as though it had been tattooed onto my skin. | 0:11:11 | 0:11:15 | |
'And it sounds tremendously ridiculous and pretentious | 0:11:21 | 0:11:24 | |
'and over the top, | 0:11:24 | 0:11:26 | |
'but all the colours of the flowers seemed brighter - | 0:11:26 | 0:11:30 | |
'from that moment on, I wasn't going to be the same.' | 0:11:30 | 0:11:34 | |
And I would certainly put that at the centre of why I became a conductor. | 0:11:35 | 0:11:42 | |
His natural affinity with music is, basically, shall we say, God-given. | 0:11:46 | 0:11:50 | |
Simon was already, at 19, winning competitions | 0:11:50 | 0:11:54 | |
and conducting orchestras. The opportunities came so young. | 0:11:54 | 0:11:58 | |
After he won a conducting competition at the seaside | 0:12:00 | 0:12:03 | |
in Bournemouth in 1974, | 0:12:03 | 0:12:06 | |
he was appointed assistant conductor of the Bournemouth Sinfonietta. | 0:12:06 | 0:12:09 | |
This wonderful chamber orchestra that no longer exists - | 0:12:09 | 0:12:12 | |
what they must have had to have put up with! | 0:12:12 | 0:12:16 | |
Together, they toured the south coast | 0:12:17 | 0:12:20 | |
and he had his first experiences with opera at Glyndebourne. | 0:12:20 | 0:12:24 | |
There was a point where in 14 days, I conducted 20 concerts with them. | 0:12:24 | 0:12:30 | |
And...oh, God, they must have been terrible! | 0:12:30 | 0:12:33 | |
His breakthrough came two years later | 0:12:36 | 0:12:39 | |
with his appointment as assistant conductor | 0:12:39 | 0:12:42 | |
of the BBC Scottish Symphony Orchestra in Glasgow. | 0:12:42 | 0:12:45 | |
He was 22 years old. | 0:12:45 | 0:12:47 | |
Are there any special problems, do you think, | 0:12:47 | 0:12:50 | |
in conducting a major orchestra when you are so young? | 0:12:50 | 0:12:53 | |
Well, the first problem is that however old or young you are, | 0:12:53 | 0:12:56 | |
if you are under 40, you are still a young conductor, | 0:12:56 | 0:12:58 | |
and therefore perhaps slightly suspect! | 0:12:58 | 0:13:00 | |
I was utterly not ready for it, but, I mean, looking back... | 0:13:00 | 0:13:06 | |
..I do wonder, who is ready to start conducting? | 0:13:07 | 0:13:12 | |
There's this wonderful thing in a Woody Allen film where he says, | 0:13:12 | 0:13:17 | |
"You know, actually I'm one of the world's greatest lovers, | 0:13:17 | 0:13:20 | |
"but normally I only get to practise it on my own." | 0:13:20 | 0:13:24 | |
And it's a rather similar thing, because, actually, | 0:13:24 | 0:13:27 | |
without doing it, you don't know how to do it! | 0:13:27 | 0:13:30 | |
And so where do you practise? | 0:13:30 | 0:13:32 | |
I couldn't find an orchestra in my bedroom, | 0:13:33 | 0:13:36 | |
however hard I waved a baton at the mirror. | 0:13:36 | 0:13:40 | |
The BBC job in Glasgow, I conducted so much | 0:13:52 | 0:13:56 | |
and I was given the opportunity to litter the floor with mistakes, | 0:13:56 | 0:13:59 | |
and what an incredible privilege, | 0:13:59 | 0:14:03 | |
to have so many rough edges knocked off, so fast. | 0:14:03 | 0:14:07 | |
It was tough. I can remember thinking, you know, | 0:14:07 | 0:14:11 | |
if this is really what it's like, this is no place for me. | 0:14:11 | 0:14:15 | |
It's actually... | 0:14:21 | 0:14:23 | |
..what bargain do you make with the devil? | 0:14:24 | 0:14:28 | |
'As a young musician, you have to sort out really who you are, | 0:14:28 | 0:14:31 | |
'and is the musician the same person as the everyday person, | 0:14:31 | 0:14:35 | |
'can they be linked together? | 0:14:35 | 0:14:37 | |
'Are you always going to be Jekyll and Hyde?' | 0:14:37 | 0:14:41 | |
Conductors are the last autocrats left. | 0:14:41 | 0:14:43 | |
I hope, actually, that the day of the autocrat is over for us. | 0:14:43 | 0:14:48 | |
It's much easier for me to have a cheerful relationship. | 0:14:48 | 0:14:51 | |
'What percentage of Jekyll | 0:14:53 | 0:14:55 | |
'and what percentage of Hyde there is, God only knows.' | 0:14:55 | 0:14:59 | |
'You have to see what you are, and you also have to decide, | 0:15:03 | 0:15:07 | |
'what is music to you? | 0:15:07 | 0:15:09 | |
'Does music mean life? | 0:15:09 | 0:15:12 | |
'Which is dangerous. | 0:15:12 | 0:15:13 | |
'Or can you really decide,' | 0:15:15 | 0:15:17 | |
"OK, I have a life, | 0:15:17 | 0:15:19 | |
"of which music is an incredibly enriching part"? | 0:15:19 | 0:15:22 | |
And I think one of my faults is that I can often love music to death. | 0:15:22 | 0:15:25 | |
It's a lovely way to go! | 0:15:25 | 0:15:27 | |
As for all great orchestras, | 0:15:42 | 0:15:43 | |
touring for the Berlin Philharmonic is important and demanding. | 0:15:43 | 0:15:47 | |
Rattle and the orchestra have just arrived in Taiwan. | 0:15:47 | 0:15:50 | |
In the capital city, Taipei, | 0:15:54 | 0:15:56 | |
a vast metropolis of more than seven million people, | 0:15:56 | 0:15:59 | |
the orchestra are scheduled to give two performances here | 0:15:59 | 0:16:02 | |
at the ornate National Concert Hall, | 0:16:02 | 0:16:04 | |
and, naturally, expectations are riding high. | 0:16:04 | 0:16:07 | |
There is a kind of passion for classical music here, | 0:16:09 | 0:16:12 | |
which is so unusual, and it has to be cultural, | 0:16:12 | 0:16:18 | |
because unlike in mainland China, | 0:16:18 | 0:16:20 | |
classical music is continuous here. | 0:16:20 | 0:16:23 | |
Obviously, Mao Tse-tung stopped it in the most dramatic and brutal way. | 0:16:23 | 0:16:28 | |
Here, it stayed, and it's one of the things that makes them | 0:16:28 | 0:16:32 | |
different from the mainland, of which they are very proud. | 0:16:32 | 0:16:36 | |
And they are a particularly thoughtful island. | 0:16:36 | 0:16:40 | |
They know this can be lost, they know it could be destroyed. | 0:16:42 | 0:16:46 | |
Maybe we take it too much for granted. | 0:16:46 | 0:16:48 | |
Here, they know what can happen, | 0:16:48 | 0:16:50 | |
and so they've grabbed on to it with a passion which is very, | 0:16:50 | 0:16:54 | |
very moving, and you really feel it, playing to them. | 0:16:54 | 0:16:58 | |
Here in the National Concert Hall of Taiwan, there's only going | 0:17:20 | 0:17:23 | |
to be time for one rehearsal before tonight's concert. | 0:17:23 | 0:17:27 | |
So, conductor and orchestra have to make every second count. | 0:17:29 | 0:17:32 | |
Today, we needed to rehearse quite hard, | 0:17:38 | 0:17:40 | |
because you have to get used to a very different, very bright hall. | 0:17:40 | 0:17:44 | |
So, sometimes it's useful, | 0:17:44 | 0:17:46 | |
particularly on the first day of a tour, | 0:17:46 | 0:17:48 | |
when people haven't played for a few days. | 0:17:48 | 0:17:50 | |
It's part of our job. | 0:17:53 | 0:17:55 | |
All that's important is that the evening really works. | 0:17:55 | 0:17:58 | |
Simon has brought this orchestra incredible presence. | 0:18:07 | 0:18:11 | |
If you just watch him, you can tell he's a great conductor - | 0:18:11 | 0:18:13 | |
he's in the music, he's leading the orchestra, he's passionate, | 0:18:13 | 0:18:16 | |
his expression is fantastic, | 0:18:16 | 0:18:18 | |
he has the genius of the music inside him, and also | 0:18:18 | 0:18:20 | |
the ability to express it through his hands, his body and his face. | 0:18:20 | 0:18:25 | |
I admire most his absolute concentration | 0:18:28 | 0:18:32 | |
and awareness of everything which happens, | 0:18:32 | 0:18:35 | |
maybe far away in another part of the orchestra. | 0:18:35 | 0:18:38 | |
His ears are enormous, like an elephant! | 0:18:38 | 0:18:41 | |
He brings dedication to work and | 0:18:44 | 0:18:47 | |
to the work, the piece that we play. | 0:18:47 | 0:18:50 | |
He brings musical inspiration from his knowledge | 0:18:52 | 0:18:55 | |
and from his understanding and a fantastic enthusiasm for music. | 0:18:55 | 0:19:00 | |
Tonight's concert will be relayed live to a big screen | 0:19:05 | 0:19:08 | |
set up in the square outside the concert hall, | 0:19:08 | 0:19:11 | |
and tens of thousands of people are expected to turn up. | 0:19:11 | 0:19:14 | |
It's nearly showtime, the square is packed full to capacity | 0:19:28 | 0:19:31 | |
and inside the hall, the concert is sold out. | 0:19:31 | 0:19:34 | |
FRENCH HORN TUNES UP | 0:19:38 | 0:19:40 | |
APPLAUSE It's funny, though, we're so used to this | 0:19:41 | 0:19:44 | |
bass clapping of the German audiences... | 0:19:44 | 0:19:47 | |
HE CLAPS DEEPLY But here, it's... | 0:19:47 | 0:19:49 | |
Yeah, but it's - WHAM! | 0:19:50 | 0:19:51 | |
It's fantastic, it has its own fantastic spirit. | 0:19:51 | 0:19:54 | |
Come on. Have fun, you guys. | 0:19:54 | 0:19:57 | |
APPLAUSE AND CHEERING | 0:19:57 | 0:20:00 | |
Well, the thing about the audiences here is that, actually, | 0:20:22 | 0:20:26 | |
they're very sophisticated. | 0:20:26 | 0:20:28 | |
And there might be places where you would be | 0:20:29 | 0:20:33 | |
a little bit loath to take a programme of Boulez's Notations | 0:20:33 | 0:20:38 | |
and Bruckner's 7th Symphony, but not in Taiwan. | 0:20:38 | 0:20:41 | |
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE | 0:20:41 | 0:20:45 | |
I'm thrilled to be able to bring this to them, | 0:20:54 | 0:20:56 | |
and in a way, it's what we do. | 0:20:56 | 0:20:57 | |
We want to take a great big Austrian romantic piece | 0:20:57 | 0:21:01 | |
and one of the greatest works written in the last 30 years. | 0:21:01 | 0:21:05 | |
It is characteristic of what we're trying to do. | 0:21:05 | 0:21:07 | |
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE | 0:22:06 | 0:22:09 | |
As soon as the concert finishes, | 0:22:09 | 0:22:10 | |
Rattle and the players make their way outside, | 0:22:10 | 0:22:13 | |
where the people of Taipei are waiting. | 0:22:13 | 0:22:16 | |
-Don't leave me alone, you bastards! -No, no, no. | 0:22:16 | 0:22:19 | |
Going out onto that stage afterwards to meet our audience, | 0:22:19 | 0:22:23 | |
it was the most incredible experience. | 0:22:23 | 0:22:25 | |
The way they just go crazy at the end. | 0:22:25 | 0:22:27 | |
CHEERING | 0:22:27 | 0:22:28 | |
'We came out of the concert and there were 40,000 people outside there.' | 0:22:28 | 0:22:32 | |
From all my musicians and myself, we send you our love. Bless you. | 0:22:32 | 0:22:36 | |
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE | 0:22:36 | 0:22:38 | |
I was standing directly next to Simon, and he said, | 0:22:38 | 0:22:41 | |
in all this noise, he said, | 0:22:41 | 0:22:43 | |
"Oh, now I know what Robbie Williams must feel like!" | 0:22:43 | 0:22:46 | |
HE SPEAKS MANDARIN | 0:22:47 | 0:22:49 | |
For them, it's still surprising to see one of those "long noses", | 0:22:49 | 0:22:53 | |
as they say in Chinese, to see somebody speak Chinese. | 0:22:53 | 0:22:58 | |
My wife is Chinese, | 0:22:59 | 0:23:00 | |
and I learned some Chinese to survive in my family. | 0:23:00 | 0:23:04 | |
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE | 0:23:04 | 0:23:07 | |
For us, we know it's a privilege when we go out there | 0:23:09 | 0:23:12 | |
and we see all those guys. | 0:23:12 | 0:23:14 | |
The amount of applause can be a wonderful thing, | 0:23:15 | 0:23:19 | |
but you'd better not believe it. | 0:23:19 | 0:23:22 | |
You'd better not believe it too much. | 0:23:22 | 0:23:24 | |
And you always realise that there's always going to be | 0:23:24 | 0:23:27 | |
differing opinions. | 0:23:27 | 0:23:28 | |
But every now and then, you can say, "OK. | 0:23:30 | 0:23:33 | |
"That was a moment we really did our best." | 0:23:35 | 0:23:38 | |
"Maybe we deserve some of this." | 0:23:38 | 0:23:40 | |
Before he faces the orchestra, Rattle spends hours alone | 0:23:42 | 0:23:45 | |
in the conductor's study at the Philharmonie, working on the score. | 0:23:45 | 0:23:49 | |
It's extraordinary - every other art form, | 0:23:53 | 0:23:55 | |
you can look at a painting and it's there, | 0:23:55 | 0:23:57 | |
you can read a book and it's there. | 0:23:57 | 0:23:58 | |
This requires people to interpret it. | 0:23:58 | 0:24:01 | |
A relatively simple score, I can hear immediately in my head. | 0:24:05 | 0:24:11 | |
Sometimes, there's just nothing for it but to check it yourself. | 0:24:11 | 0:24:16 | |
Wagner wrote it for such a huge string group. | 0:24:18 | 0:24:21 | |
I just have to make sure which version... | 0:24:21 | 0:24:24 | |
..of this kind of extraordinary bit of clouds. | 0:24:25 | 0:24:29 | |
HE PLAYS | 0:24:29 | 0:24:30 | |
That's unbelievable, because all the parts cross over each other, | 0:24:37 | 0:24:41 | |
so you really do get the idea of clouds. | 0:24:41 | 0:24:45 | |
Ever since I was a kid, I've had an absolute non-stop soundtrack | 0:24:49 | 0:24:53 | |
of music going through my head. I thought everybody did, | 0:24:53 | 0:24:56 | |
and I was rather stunned to realise later in life | 0:24:56 | 0:24:58 | |
that that's actually not normal, but it never stops. | 0:24:58 | 0:25:02 | |
Three, and they're playing the long notes. That's confusing. | 0:25:05 | 0:25:10 | |
I used to find it hard to go to sleep with the music in there, | 0:25:14 | 0:25:18 | |
and I remember having to kind of bash my head backwards | 0:25:18 | 0:25:20 | |
and forwards almost to kind of... | 0:25:20 | 0:25:22 | |
at nights, to try and get it out of the ear. | 0:25:22 | 0:25:26 | |
You get a kind of little fricassee of Brahms. | 0:25:26 | 0:25:30 | |
And a bit of the music from Harry Potter. | 0:25:30 | 0:25:33 | |
It's utterly undenominational. | 0:25:34 | 0:25:37 | |
It's an equal opportunities barrel of garbage going on up there. | 0:25:37 | 0:25:40 | |
Music has the possibility of saying to people, "You're not alone. | 0:25:46 | 0:25:50 | |
"Somebody else understands - there's somebody else has felt this. | 0:25:50 | 0:25:55 | |
"This interprets where you are in the world." | 0:25:55 | 0:25:59 | |
Another life, I could have imagined being an actor. | 0:26:03 | 0:26:07 | |
And, of course, in some ways, you are an actor doing this. | 0:26:07 | 0:26:10 | |
# As I wandered down a street | 0:26:12 | 0:26:15 | |
# As used to be in Brummagem | 0:26:15 | 0:26:17 | |
# I knowed nobody I did meet | 0:26:17 | 0:26:19 | |
# They've changed their faces in Brummagem... # | 0:26:19 | 0:26:22 | |
The city that really made Simon Rattle's reputation | 0:26:22 | 0:26:25 | |
was Birmingham, where he arrived in 1980, | 0:26:25 | 0:26:28 | |
at the age of 25, and fired up with enthusiasm. | 0:26:28 | 0:26:32 | |
It's a vocation. It's crazy. | 0:26:32 | 0:26:33 | |
It's like Werner Herzog pushing a ship over a mountain. | 0:26:33 | 0:26:37 | |
You have to do it, because you are desperate to do it. | 0:26:37 | 0:26:41 | |
Otherwise, don't bother, because it's... | 0:26:41 | 0:26:44 | |
It's tough. It's like sleeping outside. | 0:26:44 | 0:26:46 | |
It's wonderful, but it's cold at night as well. | 0:26:46 | 0:26:48 | |
When he left 18 years later, Birmingham was transformed, | 0:26:48 | 0:26:52 | |
and he was a household name. | 0:26:52 | 0:26:54 | |
-Simon Rattle. -Simon Rattle. -Simon Rattle. | 0:26:54 | 0:26:56 | |
-Simon. -Simon. -He's a highly-thought-of conductor. | 0:26:56 | 0:26:59 | |
Simon Rattle. | 0:26:59 | 0:27:00 | |
Now, he has returned to the city for the day, | 0:27:01 | 0:27:04 | |
to rehearse for a benefit concert with the orchestra | 0:27:04 | 0:27:07 | |
he took to world status, the CBSO - | 0:27:07 | 0:27:10 | |
the City of Birmingham Symphony Orchestra. | 0:27:10 | 0:27:12 | |
It was the first musical family, really, I had, | 0:27:28 | 0:27:31 | |
and it still feels like it. | 0:27:31 | 0:27:33 | |
They were telling me yesterday, there are a few people who were here | 0:27:33 | 0:27:36 | |
before I came, and they call them the "pre-Rattleites". | 0:27:36 | 0:27:40 | |
'There's such a lot of history. | 0:27:44 | 0:27:46 | |
'We built this place together, and we build what the orchestra is.' | 0:27:46 | 0:27:49 | |
Hush, hush, hush. | 0:27:51 | 0:27:52 | |
'When I came here, I was 25, and lots of people were 25, | 0:27:52 | 0:27:57 | |
'and we put it together... | 0:27:57 | 0:28:00 | |
'together, if you can say that in English. | 0:28:00 | 0:28:03 | |
'The orchestra had lost its principal conductor. | 0:28:07 | 0:28:09 | |
I mean, it was kind of an extraordinary story, | 0:28:09 | 0:28:13 | |
that the manager of the orchestra was also the principal conductor's agent, | 0:28:13 | 0:28:17 | |
and the orchestra had a vote of no confidence in the manager. | 0:28:17 | 0:28:21 | |
The manager stayed and the conductor walked out, | 0:28:21 | 0:28:23 | |
and so they really needed someone to look after them, | 0:28:23 | 0:28:27 | |
and I remember when I came, we started working. | 0:28:27 | 0:28:30 | |
They said, "Oh, God, we're just so happy to say, | 0:28:30 | 0:28:32 | |
"'Are we going to play this short or long,' | 0:28:32 | 0:28:34 | |
"or, 'On the string or off the string,' | 0:28:34 | 0:28:36 | |
"or, 'When are we going to breathe on these chords?'" | 0:28:36 | 0:28:39 | |
Just all this, what I'd call, | 0:28:39 | 0:28:41 | |
the dental hygiene of the conductor and orchestra's relationship. | 0:28:41 | 0:28:44 | |
Yeah. Now, can I take the violins, this orchestra, one before 23? | 0:28:46 | 0:28:51 | |
The long notes, could you use very, very little bow, | 0:28:51 | 0:28:53 | |
so we're in a good place for the off-the-string thing? | 0:28:53 | 0:28:55 | |
'Almost a year ago, I became principal conductor | 0:28:55 | 0:28:58 | |
'of the City of Birmingham Symphony Orchestra,' | 0:28:58 | 0:29:00 | |
and the BBC came up with the rather alarming idea | 0:29:00 | 0:29:03 | |
of filming our first day's work together. | 0:29:03 | 0:29:06 | |
HE SINGS A SEQUENCE | 0:29:06 | 0:29:09 | |
And so the B-flat particularly is light. | 0:29:09 | 0:29:11 | |
I thought it would be a good opportunity | 0:29:11 | 0:29:13 | |
to show you how a conductor and an orchestra work together | 0:29:13 | 0:29:16 | |
'to prepare a performance.' | 0:29:16 | 0:29:17 | |
Yes, stop. Yeah, stop, please. | 0:29:17 | 0:29:19 | |
'They wanted to put themselves back on track. | 0:29:19 | 0:29:22 | |
'God knows why they thought I could be the person to do it, | 0:29:22 | 0:29:25 | |
'because I had so much to learn.' | 0:29:25 | 0:29:27 | |
So we hear the difference. OK. | 0:29:27 | 0:29:29 | |
He's been described as one of the world's most brilliant conductors, | 0:29:32 | 0:29:35 | |
while remaining an impossibly, unbelievably normal chap. | 0:29:35 | 0:29:38 | |
Of course, the conductor is the only person who doesn't play | 0:29:40 | 0:29:42 | |
wrong notes, and who nobody actually hears. | 0:29:42 | 0:29:45 | |
The only thing that I could say in my defence is - | 0:29:46 | 0:29:49 | |
conductors only really start becoming halfway competent | 0:29:49 | 0:29:51 | |
by the time they're 60. | 0:29:51 | 0:29:53 | |
So I've got a few more years to go. | 0:29:53 | 0:29:56 | |
Together, he and the CBSO will develop | 0:29:56 | 0:29:58 | |
until it's rightly recognised as a world-class orchestra. | 0:29:58 | 0:30:02 | |
He was conducting every work for the first time, | 0:30:02 | 0:30:05 | |
and he was making experiments with them, | 0:30:05 | 0:30:07 | |
and as a similarly young man, I was so nervous with everybody, | 0:30:07 | 0:30:11 | |
and I just watched him open-mouthed | 0:30:11 | 0:30:14 | |
as, even at the age of 25, he could command the room. | 0:30:14 | 0:30:18 | |
And this is something he's carried with him all his life. | 0:30:18 | 0:30:20 | |
He set a model when he came to Birmingham. | 0:30:31 | 0:30:33 | |
The '60s and '70s, music directors of orchestras were flying | 0:30:33 | 0:30:38 | |
in and out. The age of the jumbo jet, | 0:30:38 | 0:30:40 | |
so you weren't a proper conductor | 0:30:40 | 0:30:41 | |
unless you were in and out of a jumbo jet every other week. | 0:30:41 | 0:30:44 | |
MUSIC DROWNS INSTRUCTIONS | 0:30:44 | 0:30:47 | |
He lived in Birmingham. | 0:30:47 | 0:30:49 | |
He spent an enormous amount of time | 0:30:49 | 0:30:51 | |
seriously working with the orchestra, | 0:30:51 | 0:30:53 | |
and without many changes in terms of personnel, | 0:30:53 | 0:30:56 | |
turned them into something very special, | 0:30:56 | 0:30:58 | |
and it's an example of the famous phrase | 0:30:58 | 0:31:00 | |
that there's no such thing as bad orchestras, | 0:31:00 | 0:31:03 | |
there's only bad conductors. | 0:31:03 | 0:31:04 | |
All the players were behind what Simon was trying to do, | 0:31:04 | 0:31:08 | |
and were prepared to work their socks off | 0:31:08 | 0:31:11 | |
until the last minute of rehearsal. | 0:31:11 | 0:31:13 | |
But since we were never going to sound like the Berlin Philharmonic, | 0:31:15 | 0:31:19 | |
and the orchestra had always this lightness on its feet, | 0:31:19 | 0:31:23 | |
we decided basically that we would make ourselves into | 0:31:23 | 0:31:26 | |
the best white wine we could possibly be. | 0:31:26 | 0:31:29 | |
Simon Rattle, this highly distinguished conductor, | 0:31:31 | 0:31:34 | |
who really could have the choice of any orchestra in the world, | 0:31:34 | 0:31:36 | |
but he chooses the City of Birmingham Symphony Orchestra. | 0:31:36 | 0:31:39 | |
Rattle's belief in the potential of his orchestra, | 0:31:42 | 0:31:45 | |
and the growing recognition that these players needed | 0:31:45 | 0:31:48 | |
a new concert hall worthy of their status, | 0:31:48 | 0:31:50 | |
would have a profound effect. | 0:31:50 | 0:31:52 | |
The redevelopment of Birmingham in the 1980s | 0:31:53 | 0:31:58 | |
is due to Simon being at the CBSO. | 0:31:58 | 0:32:00 | |
The creation of tens of thousands of jobs, | 0:32:00 | 0:32:04 | |
transforming the cityscape through the arts, | 0:32:04 | 0:32:07 | |
this all comes down to the regeneration of | 0:32:07 | 0:32:10 | |
the City of Birmingham Symphony Orchestra. | 0:32:10 | 0:32:12 | |
Now, I am not exaggerating. | 0:32:12 | 0:32:14 | |
The car industry had basically collapsed, and they had to say, | 0:32:14 | 0:32:17 | |
"Well, how do we make now a new Birmingham?" | 0:32:17 | 0:32:20 | |
The city fathers realised they have this gift. | 0:32:20 | 0:32:22 | |
They'd got one of those people who can change the world, | 0:32:22 | 0:32:26 | |
and he was literally the best-known figure in Birmingham. | 0:32:26 | 0:32:30 | |
People saw him in the street, didn't bother him, | 0:32:30 | 0:32:32 | |
but, truly, the man in the street, everybody, | 0:32:32 | 0:32:36 | |
everybody, everybody, everybody knew who he was. | 0:32:36 | 0:32:39 | |
Simon Rattle. | 0:32:39 | 0:32:40 | |
Simon Rattle. | 0:32:40 | 0:32:41 | |
Simon Rattle. | 0:32:41 | 0:32:43 | |
Rattle? Simon Rattle. | 0:32:43 | 0:32:44 | |
It took more than five years and £160 million | 0:32:44 | 0:32:48 | |
to build Symphony Hall, | 0:32:48 | 0:32:50 | |
one of the most acoustically friendly concert halls in the world, | 0:32:50 | 0:32:54 | |
and the cornerstone of a new Birmingham. | 0:32:54 | 0:32:57 | |
I remembered being together in the room | 0:32:57 | 0:32:59 | |
with the Labour bigwigs and the Conservative bigwigs and saying, | 0:32:59 | 0:33:02 | |
"Look, we'll fight like cat and dog over all kinds of things, | 0:33:02 | 0:33:06 | |
"but where, actually, the future of Birmingham is, | 0:33:06 | 0:33:10 | |
"and the arts and the culture and that, no-one's going to divide us. | 0:33:10 | 0:33:13 | |
"Whoever gets voted in will make the new hall happen, | 0:33:13 | 0:33:17 | |
"because we know this is the only way to change the city." | 0:33:17 | 0:33:20 | |
At last, on June 12th, 1991, | 0:33:23 | 0:33:26 | |
the Queen attended a gala concert | 0:33:26 | 0:33:28 | |
to show off this fantastic orchestra in their shiny new home. | 0:33:28 | 0:33:32 | |
I remember going to the opening at Symphony Hall, | 0:33:39 | 0:33:42 | |
being part of the sheer excitement of that opening, and feeling, | 0:33:42 | 0:33:47 | |
"This is one of the best places | 0:33:47 | 0:33:49 | |
"I have ever encountered | 0:33:49 | 0:33:50 | |
"for music-making." | 0:33:50 | 0:33:51 | |
Some people found it too live. | 0:33:55 | 0:33:58 | |
The phrase "you could hear a pin drop" was actually true. | 0:33:58 | 0:34:00 | |
You could hear a pin drop, and you could hear people coughing | 0:34:00 | 0:34:03 | |
and so on, but I think Simon knew immediately | 0:34:03 | 0:34:07 | |
how to manage the hall, | 0:34:07 | 0:34:09 | |
and just made the most of this incredible liveness and vividness. | 0:34:09 | 0:34:13 | |
It was just a moment that transformed Birmingham's status | 0:34:20 | 0:34:25 | |
in the whole world of music, | 0:34:25 | 0:34:27 | |
and it transformed the orchestra's status as well, | 0:34:27 | 0:34:30 | |
because now they had a room | 0:34:30 | 0:34:31 | |
in which they sounded really, really wonderful. | 0:34:31 | 0:34:34 | |
But all this phenomenal success would bring its own problems. | 0:34:35 | 0:34:39 | |
There was a time in the latter part of Simon's period in Birmingham | 0:34:39 | 0:34:43 | |
where we were so closely associated as orchestra and conductor | 0:34:43 | 0:34:47 | |
that he was both the orchestra's greatest strength | 0:34:47 | 0:34:49 | |
and also its greatest weakness. | 0:34:49 | 0:34:51 | |
It became very difficult to promote the qualities of the orchestra, | 0:34:51 | 0:34:54 | |
which were indeed very fine, without Simon. | 0:34:54 | 0:34:57 | |
Well, it's been a dramatic week for the orchestra, | 0:34:59 | 0:35:01 | |
a week in which its music director, Sir Simon Rattle, | 0:35:01 | 0:35:04 | |
announced he's quitting the post. | 0:35:04 | 0:35:06 | |
He's a hard act to follow, | 0:35:06 | 0:35:08 | |
and a figure dear to the hearts of the Birmingham public. | 0:35:08 | 0:35:10 | |
Just ask anyone in the city centre to name a conductor. | 0:35:10 | 0:35:13 | |
Sir Simon Rattle, I think. | 0:35:13 | 0:35:15 | |
And he's got great hair. | 0:35:15 | 0:35:17 | |
Wonderful chap. | 0:35:17 | 0:35:18 | |
I'm not a classical music person myself. | 0:35:18 | 0:35:21 | |
I do know he's got a very good reputation. | 0:35:21 | 0:35:23 | |
It was the right time to leave, so that they could then... | 0:35:23 | 0:35:26 | |
they could go further, | 0:35:26 | 0:35:28 | |
because there's a limit to what one person can give an orchestra. | 0:35:28 | 0:35:33 | |
When I went back to do the benevolent fund concerts, | 0:35:36 | 0:35:40 | |
within about five minutes, we could have almost laughed, | 0:35:40 | 0:35:42 | |
thinking, "Oh, this is so easy," | 0:35:42 | 0:35:45 | |
because, basically, we're still speaking the same language. | 0:35:45 | 0:35:49 | |
Some things get better with time, and it... | 0:35:51 | 0:35:55 | |
Let's hope...let's hope it's not all just a kind of downward spiral. | 0:35:55 | 0:35:59 | |
Sometimes, all of us wish we had the airy confidence | 0:35:59 | 0:36:06 | |
of when we started, but that's not always to be. | 0:36:06 | 0:36:10 | |
HE SINGS ALONG VIGOROUSLY | 0:36:13 | 0:36:15 | |
But there is something in a little bit of experience. I think, "OK... | 0:36:22 | 0:36:25 | |
"..this landmine I've already stepped on, | 0:36:27 | 0:36:29 | |
"and I lost a limb because of that. | 0:36:29 | 0:36:31 | |
"Maybe this time, I'll walk round it." | 0:36:31 | 0:36:34 | |
'What's interesting, you know, you can be in your 50s and 60s | 0:36:46 | 0:36:49 | |
'and there's still plenty more landmines to discover.' | 0:36:49 | 0:36:52 | |
It's less. | 0:36:52 | 0:36:54 | |
# Dah-da... # | 0:36:54 | 0:36:55 | |
And down. Yeah. And it's not a different tempo. | 0:36:55 | 0:36:57 | |
And the CBSO has, I must say, | 0:36:57 | 0:37:00 | |
I'm so proud to have been involved with them, | 0:37:00 | 0:37:03 | |
and I'm so happy that they're in such wonderful shape | 0:37:03 | 0:37:07 | |
and have kept their own particular | 0:37:07 | 0:37:10 | |
..Sauvignon blanc colour. | 0:37:10 | 0:37:13 | |
# I always wanted to waltz in Berlin | 0:37:17 | 0:37:21 | |
# Waltz in Berlin | 0:37:21 | 0:37:23 | |
# Waltz in Berlin | 0:37:24 | 0:37:26 | |
# The way things look, we'll be waltzing right in... # | 0:37:26 | 0:37:29 | |
For more than a century, the Berlin Philharmonic have been | 0:37:31 | 0:37:34 | |
at the pinnacle of German music-making, | 0:37:34 | 0:37:36 | |
so when the players elected a British conductor | 0:37:36 | 0:37:39 | |
to lead them at the threshold of the new century... | 0:37:39 | 0:37:43 | |
HE SPEAKS GERMAN | 0:37:43 | 0:37:45 | |
..Sir Simon Rattle. | 0:37:45 | 0:37:46 | |
..no-one could have been more surprised than Simon Rattle himself. | 0:37:46 | 0:37:50 | |
'Sir Simon Rattle has been chosen as the new chief conductor | 0:37:50 | 0:37:53 | |
'of the Berlin Philharmonic, | 0:37:53 | 0:37:55 | |
'which is widely regarded as the world's leading orchestra.' | 0:37:55 | 0:37:59 | |
Who knows what they wanted? | 0:37:59 | 0:38:01 | |
But I do think they saw that I could expand their repertoire, | 0:38:01 | 0:38:05 | |
and that I had a different view of what their future could be. | 0:38:05 | 0:38:08 | |
I remember some of the players said to me before, | 0:38:08 | 0:38:10 | |
"You won't completely neglect our old favourites, will you?" | 0:38:10 | 0:38:14 | |
Traditionally, the orchestra was famous | 0:38:16 | 0:38:18 | |
for its rich repertoire of classical and romantic music. | 0:38:18 | 0:38:21 | |
They wanted something else, and we'd try and decide together, | 0:38:23 | 0:38:28 | |
"Well, what does an orchestra mean in this new century?" | 0:38:28 | 0:38:32 | |
For his first concert as chief conductor, | 0:38:35 | 0:38:38 | |
Rattle made a bold statement, | 0:38:38 | 0:38:41 | |
asking the Berlin Philharmonic to embrace, | 0:38:41 | 0:38:44 | |
alongside Mahler, the contemporary. | 0:38:44 | 0:38:46 | |
To begin his tenure at Berlin | 0:38:56 | 0:38:59 | |
with a piece by me, | 0:38:59 | 0:39:02 | |
by a young - if I may say that - | 0:39:02 | 0:39:05 | |
British, not German, composer, | 0:39:05 | 0:39:08 | |
and in a certain kind of language, | 0:39:08 | 0:39:10 | |
was certainly a statement, and a very bold statement. | 0:39:10 | 0:39:13 | |
The orchestra found Asyla very, very hard. | 0:39:15 | 0:39:18 | |
I mean, really hard. | 0:39:18 | 0:39:21 | |
It was very tough for an orchestra that is used to dancing their music. | 0:39:25 | 0:39:31 | |
I mean, if you danced a lot of Asyla, you'd break your leg pretty quickly. | 0:39:31 | 0:39:36 | |
I probably allowed myself to push the boat out a bit further | 0:39:41 | 0:39:45 | |
in terms of the structure, because I knew that | 0:39:45 | 0:39:47 | |
something in the way he controls the line of the piece | 0:39:47 | 0:39:50 | |
would bring out aspects I probably wasn't consciously aware of | 0:39:50 | 0:39:54 | |
when I was writing it. | 0:39:54 | 0:39:56 | |
For the new principal conductor of the Berlin Phil | 0:39:58 | 0:40:01 | |
to bring a piece that was based on techno music | 0:40:01 | 0:40:03 | |
to the Philharmonie for his inauguration, | 0:40:03 | 0:40:05 | |
it was typical Simon. | 0:40:05 | 0:40:07 | |
We are, in our understanding, the most famous orchestra in Berlin, | 0:40:22 | 0:40:27 | |
and in the world. | 0:40:27 | 0:40:28 | |
The orchestra is always open | 0:40:31 | 0:40:33 | |
for new ideas, | 0:40:33 | 0:40:34 | |
but you have to convince them. | 0:40:34 | 0:40:36 | |
And you have to make the best with your ideas - | 0:40:38 | 0:40:40 | |
and this is what Simon has done. | 0:40:40 | 0:40:42 | |
I haven't liked ALL the stuff he's brought, | 0:40:45 | 0:40:47 | |
but who likes all the stuff you have to play all the time? | 0:40:47 | 0:40:51 | |
It's just so exciting | 0:40:51 | 0:40:53 | |
and fascinating to see what he does. | 0:40:53 | 0:40:55 | |
As he's always been, | 0:40:57 | 0:40:59 | |
you have to be very steadfast in your beliefs, | 0:40:59 | 0:41:01 | |
and have some kind of human touch | 0:41:01 | 0:41:04 | |
and also an authority, | 0:41:04 | 0:41:05 | |
at the same time. | 0:41:05 | 0:41:07 | |
For the more than a dozen years now, | 0:41:14 | 0:41:16 | |
Rattle has consistently led the Berlin Philharmonic away | 0:41:16 | 0:41:20 | |
from its comfort zone... | 0:41:20 | 0:41:21 | |
..taking the players into the unfamiliar world | 0:41:23 | 0:41:25 | |
of the orchestra pit to explore opera. | 0:41:25 | 0:41:28 | |
You tell a story in a different way, | 0:41:33 | 0:41:35 | |
and that's a difficult thing working with an orchestra | 0:41:35 | 0:41:38 | |
that's not always playing opera. | 0:41:38 | 0:41:40 | |
They don't always realise that you have to make a different sound. | 0:41:44 | 0:41:47 | |
And sometimes, yes, it does have to be ugly, | 0:41:47 | 0:41:49 | |
and sometimes, yes, it does have to be violent. | 0:41:49 | 0:41:52 | |
It's great for an orchestra | 0:41:54 | 0:41:56 | |
which is as sure of itself | 0:41:56 | 0:41:58 | |
as the Berlin Philharmonic, | 0:41:58 | 0:41:59 | |
to have to be so flexible. | 0:41:59 | 0:42:01 | |
Normally, everybody can deliver in orchestral concerts, | 0:42:05 | 0:42:11 | |
but every night a singer is different. | 0:42:11 | 0:42:14 | |
They need a bit more breath, | 0:42:14 | 0:42:16 | |
they need a bit less breath, | 0:42:16 | 0:42:17 | |
and you must be there at their service at every moment. | 0:42:17 | 0:42:20 | |
This orchestra can very easily - | 0:42:31 | 0:42:34 | |
not exactly ignore the conductor - | 0:42:34 | 0:42:36 | |
but they don't need a lot of help | 0:42:36 | 0:42:39 | |
once they know a piece. | 0:42:39 | 0:42:41 | |
But, actually, a few of them said, | 0:42:41 | 0:42:44 | |
"Wow, Puccini? We REALLY need you!" | 0:42:44 | 0:42:47 | |
And it's a matter of making it all balance. | 0:42:49 | 0:42:52 | |
In some ways... | 0:42:52 | 0:42:55 | |
erm...I know I once said that a conductor's like being | 0:42:55 | 0:42:58 | |
a kind of plug - an adapter plug - between the music and the audience, | 0:42:58 | 0:43:02 | |
but, in this, it's more like you're a catcher at the circus. | 0:43:02 | 0:43:05 | |
You have to be ready - "OK, what do they need?" | 0:43:05 | 0:43:08 | |
SOLOIST SINGS | 0:43:08 | 0:43:10 | |
CHORUS SINGS | 0:43:27 | 0:43:28 | |
There is not so many conductors who knows about singing - | 0:43:31 | 0:43:34 | |
what we need - where we need to breathe - | 0:43:34 | 0:43:36 | |
why, suddenly, we slow down, | 0:43:36 | 0:43:39 | |
why are we now suddenly faster? | 0:43:39 | 0:43:40 | |
So, that's the art | 0:43:40 | 0:43:42 | |
of the conductor to let people breathe | 0:43:42 | 0:43:44 | |
and breathe with them. | 0:43:44 | 0:43:46 | |
What is, I think, amazing about him, | 0:43:51 | 0:43:54 | |
that he builds all his strength and all this incredible power he has, | 0:43:54 | 0:43:59 | |
on trust to other people. | 0:43:59 | 0:44:01 | |
So he is not, in a way, the boss who is imposing his rules, | 0:44:01 | 0:44:05 | |
but he really lets everybody feel that they are really good. | 0:44:05 | 0:44:08 | |
I think it's very special for conductors, | 0:44:13 | 0:44:16 | |
because they don't make any sound | 0:44:16 | 0:44:18 | |
and they would love to, as well! | 0:44:18 | 0:44:20 | |
So it must be hard for them. | 0:44:20 | 0:44:22 | |
You know, they want to produce the sound, | 0:44:22 | 0:44:24 | |
and they have only the people to lead. | 0:44:24 | 0:44:27 | |
In the year leading up to his 60th birthday, | 0:44:27 | 0:44:31 | |
Rattle has taken 202 rehearsals for 84 performances | 0:44:31 | 0:44:35 | |
with six different orchestras. | 0:44:35 | 0:44:37 | |
Today it's the Orchestra of the Age of Enlightenment - | 0:44:37 | 0:44:40 | |
they play all their music on authentic period instruments. | 0:44:40 | 0:44:44 | |
They're rehearsing Joseph Haydn's Creation - | 0:44:49 | 0:44:53 | |
just as it would have been heard | 0:44:53 | 0:44:55 | |
in the late 18th century. | 0:44:55 | 0:44:57 | |
Working with period instruments is very different | 0:45:09 | 0:45:11 | |
from a modern symphony orchestra | 0:45:11 | 0:45:14 | |
but Rattle delights in the sounds that they produce. | 0:45:14 | 0:45:17 | |
Yeah, good. | 0:45:17 | 0:45:19 | |
Just aaah-pah-raa, pa-rah... | 0:45:19 | 0:45:21 | |
We just have to get... OK. | 0:45:21 | 0:45:22 | |
FLUTE PLAYS | 0:45:22 | 0:45:24 | |
Aaah-pah-raa, pa-rah... | 0:45:24 | 0:45:26 | |
'So much of what I'd seen in classical scores, | 0:45:27 | 0:45:30 | |
'I was not hearing. | 0:45:30 | 0:45:32 | |
And the problems I had often had | 0:45:32 | 0:45:36 | |
with really dealing with this music, | 0:45:36 | 0:45:39 | |
were to do with a matter of simply... | 0:45:39 | 0:45:42 | |
What did this mean on the page? | 0:45:42 | 0:45:45 | |
'And a realisation of what we've lost with a lot of modern instruments.' | 0:45:45 | 0:45:49 | |
Take your time over the first note would be beautiful. | 0:45:49 | 0:45:52 | |
No, it's fantastic, it's got all that direction. | 0:46:00 | 0:46:02 | |
It'd be great if it was very stable, within the direction. | 0:46:02 | 0:46:06 | |
You get the feeling as a member of the orchestra | 0:46:16 | 0:46:19 | |
that he can see and hear exactly | 0:46:19 | 0:46:20 | |
what every single member is doing | 0:46:20 | 0:46:22 | |
at any given moment. | 0:46:22 | 0:46:24 | |
I go by for bars and bars without realising | 0:46:25 | 0:46:29 | |
I've been playing from memory. | 0:46:29 | 0:46:30 | |
"Help!" You know? | 0:46:30 | 0:46:31 | |
So it's thrilling | 0:46:31 | 0:46:33 | |
and it's a little dangerous, too. | 0:46:33 | 0:46:35 | |
Even when I sometimes don't entirely see eye to eye | 0:46:35 | 0:46:38 | |
with what Simon wants to do, | 0:46:38 | 0:46:39 | |
there is, nevertheless, that wonderful spark. | 0:46:39 | 0:46:43 | |
Could you make your diminuendo a bit little later, so... | 0:46:43 | 0:46:46 | |
Mm-pa-pa-pa-pa... | 0:46:46 | 0:46:48 | |
Ta-ta-ta-ta... | 0:46:48 | 0:46:50 | |
He really understands the expressive quality of these instruments | 0:46:59 | 0:47:03 | |
and how it relates to the music we play. | 0:47:03 | 0:47:06 | |
I think he's always liked the sound of the wooden flute. | 0:47:07 | 0:47:11 | |
I mean, he was sold on that right at the start, | 0:47:11 | 0:47:14 | |
which was nice for me to hear. | 0:47:14 | 0:47:16 | |
HE SINGS ALONG | 0:47:20 | 0:47:21 | |
Yeah, great. Good. Yeah, good. | 0:47:24 | 0:47:26 | |
The horns, could you be a bit less in 26, and a bit longer? | 0:47:26 | 0:47:29 | |
Pahh-pahh-pahh-pahh... | 0:47:29 | 0:47:31 | |
And could we not go down too much after... | 0:47:31 | 0:47:33 | |
da-da-dut-dut dai-ya pah-pah pa-ra pup-pup-pup? | 0:47:33 | 0:47:37 | |
Over the years, there've been incredible surprises. | 0:47:37 | 0:47:41 | |
I mean, simply unbelievable revelation of how it could sound. | 0:47:41 | 0:47:46 | |
Could we make the first one like, da-da-pup-pup-par-rup-pup | 0:47:46 | 0:47:49 | |
pum-pum-pum-pum...each time, | 0:47:49 | 0:47:51 | |
and then it can be a bit crisper, | 0:47:51 | 0:47:53 | |
and have a bit more character? | 0:47:53 | 0:47:55 | |
It is a bit strange, isn't it? | 0:47:55 | 0:47:56 | |
So, again, yeah, 23. | 0:47:56 | 0:47:58 | |
Three...and... | 0:48:00 | 0:48:01 | |
Simon has a very... | 0:48:03 | 0:48:05 | |
emotional connection with it. | 0:48:05 | 0:48:07 | |
Whatever you're playing with him, | 0:48:07 | 0:48:08 | |
you do get the feeling that this piece of music | 0:48:08 | 0:48:11 | |
matters so much to him | 0:48:11 | 0:48:12 | |
and it's one of his favourite pieces of music. | 0:48:12 | 0:48:15 | |
Simon does trust us, hugely. | 0:48:19 | 0:48:22 | |
He's humble enough to allow us to play | 0:48:22 | 0:48:27 | |
and mould us... | 0:48:27 | 0:48:29 | |
I mean, if he doesn't like it, he's quite capable | 0:48:29 | 0:48:33 | |
of letting us know! | 0:48:33 | 0:48:34 | |
Could you... There is a little bit of excess personality. | 0:48:34 | 0:48:37 | |
Yeah. | 0:48:39 | 0:48:40 | |
Oh, and...because they do this beautiful character, | 0:48:44 | 0:48:47 | |
let's do something else in the third bar. | 0:48:47 | 0:48:50 | |
Let's be a little bit less, | 0:48:50 | 0:48:51 | |
and a little bit less gluey there. | 0:48:51 | 0:48:53 | |
Oh, yeah. | 0:49:02 | 0:49:03 | |
He was completely brilliant the way he rehearsed it - | 0:49:07 | 0:49:10 | |
he knew exactly when to unpick something | 0:49:10 | 0:49:12 | |
in order to put it back together, | 0:49:12 | 0:49:14 | |
and when to leave well alone. | 0:49:14 | 0:49:16 | |
And he just made us feel confident | 0:49:16 | 0:49:19 | |
but at the edge of our seats at the same time. | 0:49:19 | 0:49:22 | |
Legato. | 0:49:23 | 0:49:25 | |
'The orchestra is such an unusual organism anyway.' | 0:49:36 | 0:49:39 | |
Fabulous! | 0:49:39 | 0:49:41 | |
'Is there any other area of life | 0:49:41 | 0:49:43 | |
where so many incredibly skilled people | 0:49:43 | 0:49:46 | |
have to subsume themselves to a greater whole? | 0:49:46 | 0:49:49 | |
I can't really... I can't really think of it. | 0:49:52 | 0:49:54 | |
The Easter Festival in Baden-Baden in the German Black Forest | 0:50:03 | 0:50:06 | |
is one of the Berlin Philharmonic's annual events. | 0:50:06 | 0:50:09 | |
We are in the last three days of the festival. | 0:50:10 | 0:50:13 | |
I have four concerts and two general rehearsals. | 0:50:13 | 0:50:16 | |
You wake up in the morning feeling you're running on empty, | 0:50:16 | 0:50:19 | |
but actually the music really helps. | 0:50:19 | 0:50:21 | |
Yeah, we're knackered. | 0:50:21 | 0:50:23 | |
But it's worth being knackered, if it's good. | 0:50:23 | 0:50:26 | |
And what's the festival for? When everybody else has the holiday, | 0:50:26 | 0:50:29 | |
then we're on parade. | 0:50:29 | 0:50:31 | |
The festival brings visitors to Baden-Baden from across the world, | 0:50:42 | 0:50:45 | |
eager to see artistes of the stature of Rattle and today's soloist, | 0:50:45 | 0:50:50 | |
the superstar violinist Anne-Sophie Mutter, | 0:50:50 | 0:50:53 | |
who has a morning rehearsal with the orchestra. | 0:50:53 | 0:50:56 | |
We've known each other since we were kids, | 0:50:57 | 0:50:59 | |
only she still looks like a kid. | 0:50:59 | 0:51:01 | |
We've never done the Brahms together, | 0:51:01 | 0:51:03 | |
so this will be fascinating, | 0:51:03 | 0:51:05 | |
and it's relatively little time. | 0:51:05 | 0:51:07 | |
But sometimes fast cooking is great, you see. | 0:51:07 | 0:51:10 | |
It keeps the vitamins. | 0:51:10 | 0:51:12 | |
Yeah, I remember when he was also | 0:51:14 | 0:51:17 | |
the young and up-and-coming. | 0:51:17 | 0:51:19 | |
It's very difficult to comprehend that he is turning 60. | 0:51:19 | 0:51:24 | |
I've just turned 50, so... | 0:51:24 | 0:51:26 | |
Time is a strange thing. | 0:51:26 | 0:51:27 | |
Making music is a very interesting conversation, | 0:51:37 | 0:51:39 | |
if it is a good concert, of course. | 0:51:39 | 0:51:41 | |
There are boring concerts, as well! | 0:51:41 | 0:51:43 | |
But, in a good concert, it still has a very fresh and | 0:51:43 | 0:51:46 | |
totally believable emotional message. | 0:51:46 | 0:51:50 | |
Particularly for Sir Simon who is a fresh mentally | 0:51:50 | 0:51:55 | |
and, dare I say, physically - his wife knows better - | 0:51:55 | 0:51:58 | |
but he is just as fresh as the daisy. | 0:51:58 | 0:52:02 | |
He's as innocent, but much better informed, | 0:52:02 | 0:52:05 | |
as he used to be as a younger musician. | 0:52:05 | 0:52:08 | |
It's wonderful to be witness of his development | 0:52:24 | 0:52:27 | |
as a conductor, if I may say. | 0:52:27 | 0:52:29 | |
Because more and more do I realise | 0:52:29 | 0:52:32 | |
when we work together | 0:52:32 | 0:52:34 | |
how much he has an incredibly in-depth understanding of the score. | 0:52:34 | 0:52:38 | |
That gives you really the feeling you can go anywhere, | 0:52:38 | 0:52:41 | |
musically speaking, and he and the orchestra will follow. | 0:52:41 | 0:52:44 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:53:09 | 0:53:13 | |
Simon Rattle has flown to London for the day. | 0:53:19 | 0:53:22 | |
He's been summoned to Buckingham Palace to receive a rare honour - | 0:53:23 | 0:53:27 | |
membership of the Order of Merit from the Queen. | 0:53:27 | 0:53:30 | |
I am in no sense a royalist, | 0:53:30 | 0:53:32 | |
but I have enormous respect for what they do. | 0:53:32 | 0:53:36 | |
I suppose I'm not even sure really what the OM involves | 0:53:36 | 0:53:40 | |
but I did look back at the list and... | 0:53:40 | 0:53:42 | |
..humbled is the word! | 0:53:45 | 0:53:47 | |
By my early 20s I realised, OK, | 0:53:49 | 0:53:51 | |
I seem to have a career here, | 0:53:51 | 0:53:53 | |
much to my surprise. | 0:53:53 | 0:53:55 | |
I'd always meant to go to university. | 0:53:55 | 0:53:57 | |
I remember feeling, "Well, am I only going to be a musician, then?" | 0:53:57 | 0:54:00 | |
What else is there? Could I be anything else? | 0:54:00 | 0:54:03 | |
Could anything... | 0:54:03 | 0:54:04 | |
Even, actually, could anything take the place of music? | 0:54:04 | 0:54:07 | |
And so the idea came that maybe I could take a year | 0:54:07 | 0:54:11 | |
and I simply got in touch with some colleges in Oxford... | 0:54:11 | 0:54:15 | |
I was able to do the three university terms, | 0:54:15 | 0:54:18 | |
and I made myself a promise | 0:54:18 | 0:54:21 | |
that I would not listen to music at all in those weeks, | 0:54:21 | 0:54:26 | |
I would simply just deal with poetry and literature | 0:54:26 | 0:54:29 | |
and everything else. | 0:54:29 | 0:54:31 | |
It was wonderful. | 0:54:31 | 0:54:32 | |
Hello. Nice to see you. | 0:54:52 | 0:54:53 | |
OK, Cheers, guys. See you later. | 0:54:55 | 0:54:57 | |
Her Majesty said, "For goodness' sake don't worry when you're conducting, | 0:54:59 | 0:55:04 | |
"you'll lose an eye." | 0:55:04 | 0:55:06 | |
My eldest son - who is now 30 - | 0:55:06 | 0:55:09 | |
when he was little he used to say something, a lovely phrase... | 0:55:09 | 0:55:12 | |
"I'm very up-cited." | 0:55:12 | 0:55:14 | |
So, actually, it was very up-citing! | 0:55:14 | 0:55:16 | |
Very sweet. | 0:55:16 | 0:55:18 | |
And now I feel a bit like | 0:55:18 | 0:55:19 | |
David Attenborough saying, | 0:55:19 | 0:55:20 | |
"A rather shy little thing here." | 0:55:20 | 0:55:22 | |
To mark the 100th anniversary | 0:55:37 | 0:55:39 | |
of the start of the First World War | 0:55:39 | 0:55:41 | |
a ceremony was held at the military | 0:55:41 | 0:55:43 | |
cemetery near Mons in Belgium. | 0:55:43 | 0:55:45 | |
The music for the event was a special recording, | 0:55:49 | 0:55:52 | |
symbolically bringing together | 0:55:52 | 0:55:54 | |
some of the greatest musicians from Britain and from Germany. | 0:55:54 | 0:55:57 | |
Who is involved with two of the greatest orchestras on the planet - | 0:55:59 | 0:56:02 | |
the London Symphony Orchestra | 0:56:02 | 0:56:03 | |
and the Berlin Philharmonic? | 0:56:03 | 0:56:05 | |
Simon Rattle. | 0:56:05 | 0:56:06 | |
And so players - some whom had never met each other before - | 0:56:06 | 0:56:09 | |
came together and collaborated on a recording which was then | 0:56:09 | 0:56:13 | |
used in the cemetery at Mons. | 0:56:13 | 0:56:15 | |
He chose George Butterworth's Shropshire Lad - | 0:56:25 | 0:56:28 | |
Butterworth died in the trenches, | 0:56:28 | 0:56:31 | |
and I think what Simon Rattle | 0:56:31 | 0:56:33 | |
always wants is to take people on a journey. | 0:56:33 | 0:56:36 | |
Simon manages to make the serious stuff plenty serious, | 0:56:55 | 0:56:58 | |
but, immediately, | 0:56:58 | 0:57:00 | |
the human stuff is everywhere. | 0:57:00 | 0:57:03 | |
And you hear that in the music-making. | 0:57:03 | 0:57:06 | |
His whole body is in it, | 0:57:06 | 0:57:07 | |
And so that sense that music is engaging ALL of you... | 0:57:07 | 0:57:11 | |
not SOME of you...? | 0:57:11 | 0:57:13 | |
Hello! | 0:57:13 | 0:57:15 | |
Bless you, Simon Rattle. | 0:57:15 | 0:57:17 | |
It is one of the most extraordinary professions there is. | 0:57:27 | 0:57:30 | |
PLAYS PIANO | 0:57:30 | 0:57:32 | |
The challenges never stop, | 0:57:32 | 0:57:35 | |
no matter how ever much experience you have. | 0:57:35 | 0:57:38 | |
If you're bored of conducting, | 0:57:44 | 0:57:47 | |
then you're really... You're really in danger. | 0:57:47 | 0:57:50 | |
And so I'm looking forward to... | 0:57:52 | 0:57:54 | |
..the next years. | 0:57:56 | 0:57:57 | |
Somebody said to me, "You know, Simon, | 0:57:57 | 0:58:00 | |
"the really good conductors, | 0:58:00 | 0:58:02 | |
"they only start getting good when they're 65. | 0:58:02 | 0:58:06 | |
"You're no exception, so don't be in a hurry." | 0:58:06 | 0:58:09 |