Keith Richards - The Origin of the Species


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This programme contains very strong language

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This is the BBC Home Service.

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Here is the first news for today, Sunday the 3rd,

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The fourth anniversary of our entry into the war opens with more news

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of German defeats in the west, east and south.

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The Belgian frontier has now been crossed by two American spearheads.

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And it was on the 18th of December 1943 that you were born.

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The label on your cot said "Keith Richards".

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Born in a hospital near Dartford, England.

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Thousands of babies were born the same day and you were one

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You're alive, you're healthy, you've got parents that will take

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AIR RAID SIREN BLARES PLANES FLY OVERHEAD

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For around you is being fought the worst war ever known.

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We'd kept on at it to save our skins.

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And also because we had a feeling deep down inside us

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that we were fighting for you, for you and all the other babies.

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You didn't know anything about this, of course.

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But you were part of the war, even before you were born.

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Are you going to have greed for money or power,

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ousting decency from the world as they have in the past?

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Or are you going to make the world a different place,

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Doris, my mum, the family, everybody's scrambling

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According to Mother, the sirens were going off

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MUSIC: We'll Meet Again by Vera Lynn

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much about that, except that I have a complete hatred

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AIR RAID SIREN BLARES DOG WHIMPERS

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I wasn't there, of course.

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I mean, I was smart enough not to be at home at the time, apparently.

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MUSIC: Gimme Shelter by The Rolling Stones

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Luftwaffe pilots got chicken halfway up the river, turned round

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They weren't going to go any further into London.

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It's not something that you dwell on because it's just

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what happened to you and you managed to squeak out the other end,

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Every experience that you go through from the minute you're born

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You're hearing things, you're taking in information

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and you're especially feeling other people's emotions.

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That does have an effect, even though you don't

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If I walk down a hotel corridor and there's some old war movie

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playing and I hear it through the door and

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..the hair on the back of my

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MUSIC: Street Fighting Man by The Rolling Stones

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Dad enlisted, you know, and got blown up in the army.

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He got mortared D-Day, or soon after.

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Mum was driving bread vans and she had never

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You know, "Here's another locking loaf of Hovis."

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MUSIC: Factory Girl by The Rolling Stones

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WINSTON CHURCHILL: At 2.41am, Grand Admiral Doenitz,

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the designated head of the German state, signed the act

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MUSIC: The Last Time by The Andrew Oldham Orchestra

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The minute the war was over, Churchill was voted out.

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Security from war, food, houses, clothing, employment,

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leisure and social security for all must come before

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We have shown that we can organise the resources of the

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There was a feeling that there was a need for change and you kind

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My dad's side of the family were staunch socialists,

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Apparently arrived out of the West Country

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My grandfather was a mate of Keir Hardie.

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And my grandmother was a mayor of Walthamstow on the Labour ticket.

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Let's go forward into this fight in this year it of William Blake.

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For a couple more years, we must go short.

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Here's the ration for one book being readied.

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And there's your ration spread out in all its glory.

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So many babies have been born lately, they've had to get busy

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You'll go there one day and meet Mick.

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I lived in different parts of Dartford.

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I think I would say I had a real affection for the joint.

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It's a stick-up joint and it still is.

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They have a tunnel now and guys with uniforms who take the money,

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but in the old days, you had to come down East Hill,

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There'd be a bunch of guys with stagecoaches.

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They would routinely have a bag and toss it beside the toll because,

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if they didn't do that, there'd be a flare shot up, they'd

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MUSIC: You Got The Silver by The Rolling Stones

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The trouble is, it isn't always pleasant to have to be a good boy.

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A little guy - I mean, he was only about five foot five,

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# A poor man's made out of muscle and blood

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# Another day older and deeper in debt...

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I had to do leap frogs, do this, you know,

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# Whoa, you've been digging my potatoes...

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He wanted to teach me certain, you know, little

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# Well, you've been digging my potatoes...

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Even though he'd got his leg half blown off in the war, he recovered

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There was a massive scar that went right up the thigh.

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He said, "The war, I don't want to talk about it, boy."

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When I was growing up, he played it straight

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as straight as straight as straight, you know.

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He worked for General Electric, Osram's, you know, making tubes.

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His mentality came from the Depression in the '30s.

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There was a certain distance between us.

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But I also knew he had a very deep heart and I also knew that he had

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I mean, I got very few, "Well done, son."

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But then I realised that he's working so damn hard,

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My mum, on the other hand, was very subversive.

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# I met a cowboy riding the range one day...

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From her remarks and her piss-taking, I got some

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Mother loved to sing around the house, she was like a warbler.

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She knew the dials, she could go from, like,

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the Light Programme, Ella Fitzgerald,

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# ..really get the feeling of romance...

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# And watch the door and in-between our dreams...

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Pretty much filled the day with good music in my

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So, I grew up with this, like, music, music, music.

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Sometimes I remember feeling a little jealous with other families

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and kids that had brothers and sisters, you know,

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Adult problems, Mum and Dad arguing about the rent...

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When you grew up, you didn't really think about it, you just

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You'd find bits of shrapnel and, you know, you could make a deal

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on a bit of shrapnel or a cartridge case, you know.

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What I remember about my favourite bomb hole was some farmer had put

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A beautiful old horse, you know, put-out,

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And she'd let us ride and she'd trot us around the bombsite.

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I know it's a bomb hole and it nearly killed me.

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I also remember the white horse, you know, and its gentleness.

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It probably makes you more introverted and you go more into

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books. I was big on aircraft for a while.

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He had broken the sound barrier, what is that? It is a big deal, all

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right? I was always going for Airfix, I tried my best. I liked the

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glue! And what would you have liked for your birthday? I wanted to break

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the sound barrier! I thought there was something inside that everybody

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else would recognise. Don't they realise they have a genius on their

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hands? My mum's side of my family,

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the Duprees, were spinners, they were master weavers

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of silk...and brocade, apparently, in the 17th

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and 18th century - Basically, all performers

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of one kind or another. Very strong personalities,

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very ribald sense of humour, Maybe just runs in the Dupree

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family. To go there and visit

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the Duprees was like going to another world,

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compared to, like, Aunt Joy, she was really

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larger than life. She was...filled the room

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when she walked in. I mean, most people visit

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their aunties and it's the most Yep, up the Seven Sisters Road,

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seven daughters, and with the wife, So it was a house full

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of women all the time, which is probably one of the reasons

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that made him and me so close. The Duprees and the Richards

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were absolutely two I really enjoyed summer holidays

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with Mum and Dad. I really liked to watch my mum

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and dad relax for a few days Because otherwise it

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was grind, you know, # Ain't got a Cadillac or a big

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automobile # I'm just a little guy

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Not a big-time wheel # On my rocking bicycle

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that's built for two... # We don't care if we're

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a little bit late... # On my rocking bicycle that's built

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for two I've got a little iron crate

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on the back of a tandem. Yeah, they left me too long

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with the western sun on the back # On my rocking bicycle

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that's built for two. There was another village right

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next called Hallsands It was no longer inhabitable,

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it had collapsed into the sea. But, for a young kid,

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it was kind of I mean, I make friends

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pretty easily, you know. I used to get the accent down

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in a couple of days and I'd pretend WEST COUNTRY ACCENT:

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"Where you be going?" You were aware that there was a

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class difference but whether it mattered not was a different thing.

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It didn't bother mum and dad too much, they just liked to do what

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they wanted to do. They liked to play tennis. Tennis is a

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middle-class game. Oh, I say, smashing cricket stroke! I never had

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any feeling at Bexley tennis club that there was any class difference

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just because you had a car rather than a bike. In fact, sometimes the

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other way around, they admired us biking in. My game and set! The

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phrase when I was growing up was, before the war... Like the Golden

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age. Everybody was missing the kind of

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camaraderie that they had during the war. Friendship and, we are all in

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this together. In a way they almost missed the damn thing. You got a lot

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of love and affection but not a lot of things.

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My birthday being 18th December, this is a week before Christmas Day.

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I remember aunties, because they had a great sense of humour,

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they'd send me a left sock for my birthday...

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..and I'd get the right one for Christmas, you know.

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You couldn't stuff yourself with sweets

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Probably why we're still so skinny, the Stones, you know.

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You treasured your half an ounce of humbugs, aniseed balls.

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But if it's not there, you don't miss it.

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The last thing to come off British rationing was sugar.

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# Happy days are here again...

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Everybody had been saving up pennies and stuff for ages.

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So you'd go rushing round every possible sweet shop in town.

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"I've got money!" you know.

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So it was kind of like rationing again, for a few days.

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MUSIC: You Can't Always Get What You Want by The Rolling Stones

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If you ban something, you want it.

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There's an automatic reaction in human beings.

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You say you can't do this and then I got to do it, you know.

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Careful watch is kept on the children's teeth for any

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decay or irregularities, and, when necessary,

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# All I want for Christmas is my two front teeth...

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You couldn't scare me if you come to me with a gun.

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They were pretty rough when we were growing up.

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They were all out of the Army, and it was just like

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Mine were ripped out with an old wrench.

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We used to bicycle to the bank of the Thames.

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We used to go down there, very dangerous area, very fascinating.

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It's not called Gravesend for nothing!

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One day we got to this pillbox, a lot of flies buzzing in there.

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So we got out and we thought nothing of it.

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Now, I sort of say, "Why didn't we, sort

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There were also army deserters still living down there by the banks. I

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got shot in the ours with a BB gun. You would go to the station, Penny

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for the guy. A measly amount, wouldn't get much for that! But it

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was a good try. Anything to set fire to something. There was a fireball

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at the fireworks factory? The whole damn thing blew up, massive

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explosion. It was just gunpowder and it all went up in one Big Bang. All

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of the fumes... Nothing to do with me!

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We used to live at the back of a greengrocer's store

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A couple of mates and me, we just got into it,

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you know, and got covered in it, we covered the walls,

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we covered the whole bloody garden in it.

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My grandmother, she's furious when I get back and she pretended

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to go out and make a phone call and said, "I'm calling

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I'm on my knees, I'm it's him...

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I'm dying.

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It is sometimes a terrible thing to be a little boy.

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At that moment, the idea of being separated and torn

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away and put in a home or something was like...

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And she kept at it for an hour or two.

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It was the most horrific day of my life.

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When Dad came home, he said, "I've calmed her down,

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My mum wasn't big on pets, she killed my mouse. And the cat. I put

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a sign on her bedroom door saying murderer!

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Pets were not in the game and I loved them.

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Let's look at the neighbourhoods and see how that is arranged.

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At least that's my feeling, you know, from Mum and Dad.

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It had only just been built and it was like

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Suddenly, you're with this bunch of people you don't know

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and you all have to sort of form a community of some kind.

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So, yeah, I won't say that you felt particularly secure there.

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But you did feel that everybody else was in the same bloody boat.

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Now that you're seven, you'll be going to this school.

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Because of the time of year I was born, I was always in a class

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So I was always three inches shorter than everybody else.

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So I always had to deal with bigger boys.

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Half the time I ran away like a yellow...

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And then I got smart and made friends with a big bloke

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And he'd walk home with me and beat the sods off.

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I know how terrifying it can be to expect

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All I could concentrate on was, "How do I get out of taking a beating?"

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Keith grazed his knee badly last night.

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Why's everybody always pickin' on me?

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Some teachers gave you a feeling of openness and that things could get

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better. Luckily some teachers made you feel good about knowing things

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rather than shoving it down your throat. Then you had other guys out

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of the Army who saw the kids as another bunch of people to push

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about. Square bashing, not the most sympathetic bunch of people to learn

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things from. I wasn't happy with my education even as a kid, I thought

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it was shabby and just going through the motions. I always got grades C

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and D, they didn't like my attitude. I always wanted to know more than I

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was being taught. And I found out far more by going to the public

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library. Ain't nobody teaching me nothing

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that I didn't know already. I was into the Dandy and obviously

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the Eagle. Dan dare, the Mick on. I was heavily into that. -- Dan Dare,

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the Mekon. The whole idea of space travel. You thought it would be

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another thousand years but in actual fact it would only be ten or 20.

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Saturday morning pictures, big deal. Down at the Dartford Beaumont.

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Frisking pagans were concealed weapons is an art the manager has

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picked up after years of watching well blessed melodramas. Roy Rogers,

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I've got to say, if I had a kilo that has got to be it. She is riding

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this beautiful pony and he's got a guitar. And he rips everybody's as.

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I'd like to be right. Captain Marvel. A bad episode, you can see

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why. Always loved a good sea adventure, I

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still do. And then you realise you could

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almost be won, free of normal constraints, but either I Bell I

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take my chances. And it sort of give you some fortitude to take your

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chances. I had to wait and see, it was always an option. It was

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escaped, when they are not looking I'm going to run away! The merchant

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Navy were there, you could jump a boat has a cabin boy. You would have

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to grow up the hard way. Sundays were like an expanse of

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boredom and death. Boredom is a sin and I'm not a big one for sin. There

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has got to be something you can do to think of. I've got to go to

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church. I was very cynical about it, quite

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honestly. I just didn't get that Christian feeling. Basically because

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I wasn't brought up that way. None of my family were at all interested

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in the established religions, they despise them. In the name of Jesus

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Christ of Nazareth, I pray you to behold now, amen. Do you feel any

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better now? You'll make the job as witnesses would come round on

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knock-on outdoor. And I would be the one to open it and my mum says we

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don't want none, and buying. What do you want to do on your

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school holidays? Stay with grandad. I seem to have been the only boy he

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didn't have, so for me he was more like a friend than a grandfather. I

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loved him for his humour, he was just generous. Sometimes he would

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take me out just to get away from all the women. He was a saxophone

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player. But in the First World War he got gassed. My father says that

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he got gassed that he couldn't go any more and he didn't have the win

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for the sax Swede at the violin. He can does pick up the violin and

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plate. He had a dance band. He used to rock the US places with the code

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and stuff, they saw him coming with a little neckerchief on, pretending

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to be a cowboy. He loved to perform. When was the first time you saw live

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music? You'll might probably a wedding. There was a live band

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playing in front of you. First off the guys at the foot taller than

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everybody because there is a stage. That helps! To be three feet taller

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than everybody else. And it gives you a certain sense of

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possibilities. Member when you were a kid? You would look in the shop

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window and the puppies. Gus had a dog called Mr Thompson, in fact the

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filming was Mr Thompson works because every time you said Mr

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Thompson the dog would work. He just took me about London, one

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minute I would be in Oxford Street, the next minutes chatting cross and

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the next minute we would be in hybrid. He was -- it was an

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education. You would see the funniest thing on any street corner.

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I know a lot about all London. Folk just wondering about. My vision and

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my senses of London are called tar and washing. Bill Shippen was worth

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money. My dad would pay me to follow the Gypsy carts. They were still

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burning coal could call, absolutely filthy. The whole place. Covered in

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grime. And there was a lot of fog, green

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and hazy. That was London for me. He would take me into music shops

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but we would always going round the back, we never went in the front

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door. It was being like -- it would be like getting led into Aladdin 's

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cave. And he would just sit and perch me on a shelf with a cup of

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tea and a basket and I would watch people build medical instruments.

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-- musical instruments. Glue bubbling and they are sticking

:48:00.:48:10.

together. And then he would do his business.

:48:11.:48:26.

Once it was a beautiful summer night, we were on Primrose Hill

:48:27.:48:41.

where you could look over the city. And we went under this tree and he

:48:42.:48:44.

said why don't we just sit there for a minute? And we both just crashed

:48:45.:48:51.

out! What that you all over us and going bloody hell we have got to get

:48:52.:49:02.

home. He teased me with a guitar. I couldn't reach it. He said you keep

:49:03.:49:13.

looking at that. It is beautiful. When you can reach it, then you can

:49:14.:49:21.

try and plate. And he did this for, I don't know, two or three or four

:49:22.:49:26.

years until one day I got smart and pull the chair up! And took it down.

:49:27.:49:33.

Figured it out. And he showed me the first few notes of Malluch winner.

:49:34.:49:53.

When he came back I was playing it to him and he looked down at me with

:49:54.:50:01.

a big smile on his face and he said let me play at. And then he let me

:50:02.:50:08.

have the guitar. To me it was the prize of a century.

:50:09.:50:23.

One day, this Billy came up, and he was the big boy in school.

:50:24.:50:37.

..Bruce Lee sort of moves that made it.

:50:38.:50:40.

I was lucky, I think he slipped, and I just saw red.

:50:41.:50:43.

And shoved his neck into the flower beds.

:50:44.:50:48.

After that, I was a protector of other, more vulnerable kids.

:50:49.:50:56.

I never capitalised on my fame on that.

:50:57.:50:58.

I just took care of kids that were scared of other

:50:59.:51:03.

bullies and went, "You're with me, you're cool."

:51:04.:51:07.

Because I suddenly became, "Don't screw with that man."

:51:08.:51:21.

I always feel sorry for the building and away. The guy has a problem. --

:51:22.:51:29.

for the bully in the way. For the first time in history,

:51:30.:51:57.

through the medium of television, the coronation will be witnessed on

:51:58.:52:02.

television sets. We did not have one. Very kind neighbours would

:52:03.:52:07.

leave the curtains open and let us kids, we couldn't hear anything, it

:52:08.:52:13.

was all silent. Martha and you'll and stuff like that. Thanks to Mr

:52:14.:52:24.

Steadman. Anybody there? I am Julie and this is my friend Sam. Something

:52:25.:52:30.

about audio comedy. I like the girls who do... It is still one of my

:52:31.:52:34.

favourites. The construct, they would blast

:52:35.:52:54.

fresh air. How many sexes are there? To! That kind of humour was around

:52:55.:53:00.

on the streets but had never been expressed in the media before. Or

:53:01.:53:03.

actually allowed. He will go to school the next day after the show

:53:04.:53:08.

and everybody would have the line down and everybody would say, you

:53:09.:53:16.

can get the word, you know! It was a collective feeling throughout the

:53:17.:53:20.

whole country. You could join in and laugh. Just as independent

:53:21.:53:34.

television came. Cubicle, kicked, Master control. Robin Hood was

:53:35.:53:46.

great. Ronnie Wood, Ronnie Wood, with his band of men! Everybody

:53:47.:53:56.

reacted to the billboards. By this, by that. They were checking it out

:53:57.:54:12.

here. The Milky bars are only! It was capitalism. Suddenly it was

:54:13.:54:21.

staring you in the face. The mass of consumption. 1212. -- want, want.

:54:22.:54:31.

Get, get. Daz. The Daz white knights are

:54:32.:54:50.

coming your way with big cash prizes. It could be at your house,

:54:51.:55:05.

we're off! My mum was at Hotpoint, she was amazing at flogging off

:55:06.:55:15.

Hotpoint. She would do a demonstration and when I was at

:55:16.:55:20.

school I would do mums accent. It was a performance. Mum was actually

:55:21.:55:29.

a sterner one dress for a while. Because they want it was piling up.

:55:30.:55:34.

I got a message from my mum saying he must be filthy by now, send me

:55:35.:55:41.

your clothes back! And so Mick and Brian, we centre the call was so she

:55:42.:55:46.

could watch the in front of all these people in the court! She was a

:55:47.:55:52.

great mum. If mum wasn't great, it must be a rough way to grow up.

:55:53.:56:09.

I am proud of my old mum and she ain't half proud of me! You know I'm

:56:10.:56:19.

almost grown, yet I'm doing right school. They said I broke the rules.

:56:20.:56:28.

I never been in trouble, I don't read around too much. Dartford Tech

:56:29.:56:35.

was strictly male, I was good at subjects because the teacher was

:56:36.:56:39.

good. Carpentry, yes, metalwork I hated. Some people just get the hard

:56:40.:56:46.

on against you. Take it nice and steady. What are you waiting for?

:56:47.:56:50.

Don't get your finger stuck in there. The girls Grammar School was

:56:51.:57:04.

the opposite of our school. There has been a bridge over the at one

:57:05.:57:07.

time. We got the message. Also, we all expected to go in the

:57:08.:57:26.

bloody army. Conscription was still on. You are all expected to go and

:57:27.:57:32.

peel potatoes. You has to factor that into your own life at 18, you

:57:33.:57:41.

went in the Army. All orders must be obeyed without question at all

:57:42.:57:49.

times. Ludicrous, the waste to get out of it. Get back, get back, get

:57:50.:58:07.

back! Forward, March! Pretends to be gay or something, they would say

:58:08.:58:08.

you're out! There was out of a friend of mine

:58:09.:58:20.

who said I am donning the Scouts and I said I will come along. Follow me,

:58:21.:58:32.

follow me! I got all the knocks and had got bad as all over me, with an

:58:33.:58:38.

armoured. I know how to light a fire, I could set you on fire right

:58:39.:58:39.

now! Suddenly I am a patrol leader. And that is where I realised that

:58:40.:59:10.

I could pull other cats into it I could motivate them,

:59:11.:59:13.

give them a feeling, You know, if we're going to do this,

:59:14.:59:17.

it's got to be the best. It's part of running a band

:59:18.:59:22.

and being in a band. It was a transitional

:59:23.:59:24.

period, really. You know, I'd go home

:59:25.:59:26.

at night and play guitar. Our choirmaster, Jake Clair,

:59:27.:59:28.

he'd been at Oxford or Cambridge, He was a damn good teacher

:59:29.:59:39.

about music, about singing. We had another guy called Terry,

:59:40.:59:50.

we had perfect sopranos. We could "hallelujah"

:59:51.:59:58.

with the best, man, you know? But we were also the biggest

:59:59.:00:01.

reprobates in school. Hallelujah with the

:00:02.:00:04.

cassock and everything. # You were part of this team

:00:05.:00:12.

and you got to go to London and sing # Believe it or not,

:00:13.:00:21.

I sang in front of the Queen. # You can't always get

:00:22.:00:27.

what you want. # You know your voice

:00:28.:00:30.

is going to break and then... HE IMITATES VOICE BREAKING

:00:31.:00:33.

I still remember old Jake Clair, a tear in his eye

:00:34.:00:38.

that he had to fire us. We'd won him all these goddamn

:00:39.:00:40.

medals and shields and stuff... The voice breaks and you get put

:00:41.:00:57.

down a year because you haven't done enough math, you haven't

:00:58.:01:02.

done enough physics. So that the thanks you get -

:01:03.:01:05.

sitting in a class full of kids a year younger than

:01:06.:01:09.

you for another year. That was the first thump

:01:10.:01:12.

of authority and what they can do There you developed a hatred

:01:13.:01:22.

for the Establishment. MUSIC: The Last Time

:01:23.:01:29.

by The Rolling Stones You had to reassess, even at that

:01:30.:01:41.

age, a whole new way 'That's when it started to ferment.'

:01:42.:01:43.

Either you're going to do as you're told for the rest of your life

:01:44.:01:54.

or you're going to I'm getting out of here,

:01:55.:01:56.

one way or another. This is Radio Luxembourg,

:01:57.:02:04.

your station of the stars. That was the signal that,

:02:05.:02:12.

if you positioned the damn thing in the right place,

:02:13.:02:24.

you'd suddenly get Little Richard. # I'm ready Ready, ready,

:02:25.:02:29.

ready, teddy, I'm ready # Ready, ready, teddy # I'm ready, ready,

:02:30.:02:31.

# It expressed everything you wanted to express but didn't

:02:32.:02:35.

A sense of freedom, a sense that there was another life

:02:36.:02:41.

between going to school and going to locking work.

:02:42.:02:43.

It was like the world went Technicolor.

:02:44.:02:50.

This motion picture was photographed in gorgeous,

:02:51.:02:52.

Before rock and roll, it was all black-and-white.

:02:53.:03:05.

These boys have reached the stage of adolescence.

:03:06.:03:07.

We sometimes find adolescents rather irritating but they're

:03:08.:03:09.

The need tactful handling and a good deal of sympathetic guidance.

:03:10.:03:16.

Suddenly, everything was aimed at teenagers.

:03:17.:03:20.

Music: The Spotnicks Theme by The Spotnicks The first time that

:03:21.:03:40.

money had realised what a market there was there.

:03:41.:03:43.

Suddenly the eyes lit up in some advertising agent. At the time you

:03:44.:04:10.

saw that it was just something new. We weren't saying about some wicked

:04:11.:04:20.

desire. Before that they didn't bother.

:04:21.:04:21.

You were either a kid or you were grown up

:04:22.:04:24.

and there was this space in-between that seemed to be ignored when,

:04:25.:04:26.

in actual fact, it's probably the most important

:04:27.:04:28.

Spike was my mate and we were just determined to get expelled.

:04:29.:04:33.

Cross-country, we used to take a smoke and work our way

:04:34.:04:37.

in for the last third of a mile, and I'd come in around a sort

:04:38.:04:40.

of comfy fifth, but they knew what we were up to.

:04:41.:04:48.

You know, we thought for sure you'd get expelled for, like,

:04:49.:04:51.

tripping up a teacher and going, "Whoops."

:04:52.:04:54.

I would be called to the headmaster's office

:04:55.:04:55.

and they'd go, "Well, Richards...

:04:56.:05:04.

GIRLS SCREAM The first live act I remember going to see was Joe

:05:05.:05:19.

# No-one else could catch me # On the hop # Baby,

:05:20.:05:25.

you're the only one # Who ever made me blow my top.

:05:26.:05:28.

The all thought they had some kind of gimmick. Billy Fury made a great

:05:29.:05:59.

record. I got somebody new, and she ate me

:06:00.:06:24.

like you, wait back in those days they were warned by Bill Schechter

:06:25.:06:29.

promoters. They would break you are a student turn up. But at least he

:06:30.:06:35.

was up there playing! And that's all you wanted to do.

:06:36.:06:37.

You wanted to be up there, three feet higher than anybody else

:06:38.:06:40.

and have people say, "Yeah, I like that."

:06:41.:06:42.

Then there was the stuff about Teddy boys, they always look like

:06:43.:07:03.

grown-ups to me. They were a little older. I was interested in the

:07:04.:07:09.

switchblades. They were ripping up cinema seats and a lot of that was

:07:10.:07:13.

just yobs. But at the same time, you can have

:07:14.:07:28.

admired them because they were expressing something. Rather than

:07:29.:07:36.

just playing the game. Have an elephant trunk and you forget. I

:07:37.:07:41.

couldn't afford the club anyway, but the tight pants.

:07:42.:07:42.

I used to wear two pairs of trousers to school.

:07:43.:07:46.

Very uncomfortable all day, I'll tell you.

:07:47.:07:49.

But one skin-tight and then the regulation flannel baggies over

:07:50.:07:51.

the top and the minute you got out the school gate,

:07:52.:07:54.

go behind a tree and then you could walk home like...

:07:55.:08:13.

We went to begin up teachers! -- beating up teachers. And for that

:08:14.:08:25.

they did expel us. Eventually we made it. Getting expelled then was

:08:26.:08:33.

about the worst thing that could happen in a man's life. Getting the

:08:34.:08:45.

piece of paper and all, look. I knew I had disappointed very much. I had

:08:46.:08:53.

to redeem myself. My voice broke and I was longer in the choir. I

:08:54.:08:58.

suddenly needed another musical outlet. And I plunged into guitar

:08:59.:09:08.

playing, I dived the deep, deep dive. At the same time, they threw

:09:09.:09:20.

me the biscuit which was like the big one, you expelled, but you're

:09:21.:09:23.

welcome to go to school. MUSIC: Painter Man by The Creation #

:09:24.:09:35.

Went to college, studied art # To be an artist, make a start # Studied

:09:36.:09:50.

hard, gained my degree # But no-one # Art school was a real

:09:51.:09:53.

eye-opener because suddenly you were with people

:09:54.:09:56.

who were artistic in mind. It was a totally different

:09:57.:09:59.

atmosphere and in those two, There was a freedom

:10:00.:10:06.

about art school that was, Suddenly you can wear whatever

:10:07.:10:11.

you want and you can go to life Painting, I wouldn't

:10:12.:10:28.

say, came into it much. I did realise, after the first year,

:10:29.:10:40.

we're not churning out You're being taught

:10:41.:10:42.

how to advertise. # Here was where the money lay #

:10:43.:10:59.

Classic art has had its day. # You can call it art school

:11:00.:11:03.

but really you're being trained You don't really need how to put

:11:04.:11:11.

a nice angle on the gin. There was a bunch of people that

:11:12.:11:19.

came from advertising agencies for, like, one day a week,

:11:20.:11:25.

usually loudmouth BLEEP. Mac, could you emphasise

:11:26.:11:29.

the last word just a little, bring out the fact that

:11:30.:11:32.

the product is good? Guys with bowties and shit,

:11:33.:11:35.

you know. A white-collar and

:11:36.:11:38.

striped blue shirt. By then, you're starting to be able

:11:39.:11:41.

to sense a phony when you see one. Mac, don't lose that

:11:42.:11:45.

nice, easy approach. And you realise that these people

:11:46.:11:47.

are only there to pick up What I did learn

:11:48.:11:50.

was about friendship. Very pleased to make your

:11:51.:12:05.

acquaintance, madam. # YODELLING Everybody

:12:06.:12:18.

was experimenting with their looks. Bam - they just pulled the button

:12:19.:12:27.

and said, "No more conscription." We went bananas, I mean,

:12:28.:12:44.

the whole day. Suddenly, these years

:12:45.:12:55.

opened up for you. A sense of relief that,

:12:56.:12:59.

you know, is really hard to imagine. If you didn't want to go

:13:00.:13:11.

to life classes, you know, Wizz Jones used to come round

:13:12.:13:17.

and play, which was like a miracle, There was a sort of network

:13:18.:13:25.

within the art school world. MUSIC: Transit Blues by Wizz Jones

:13:26.:13:45.

Werner Lammerhirt A lot of good musicians came out of art school

:13:46.:13:48.

but not many good artists. MUSIC: Boogie In My Bones

:13:49.:13:55.

by Laurel Aitken I knew that the music I'd always listened

:13:56.:14:02.

to was black people. # Well, I feel so good # I've got

:14:03.:14:07.

the boogie in my bones... # Well, I feel so good # I've got

:14:08.:14:16.

the boogie in my bones... # Black people would be like, "Hey,

:14:17.:14:26.

you're all right, brother. Without a knowledge of the blues,

:14:27.:14:28.

if you want to be a player and if you want to work with other

:14:29.:14:53.

guys, without that knowledge and without that enthusiasm,

:14:54.:15:00.

you just become a pop BLUES MUSIC I found out

:15:01.:15:02.

there was a really deep, deep blues and the older cats

:15:03.:15:18.

and I started to research back to Muddy Waters, Robert Johnson,

:15:19.:15:24.

Blind Lemon Jefferson, And of course, being young,

:15:25.:15:27.

people tried to come up with more obscure blues

:15:28.:15:33.

than you've ever heard. MUSIC: Cool Drink Of Water Blues

:15:34.:15:36.

by Tommy Johnson # I asked for water # RADIO EFFECT ON VOICE:

:15:37.:15:39.

This one's from 1926. HE IMITATES WHITE NOISE Very nice,

:15:40.:15:55.

the white noise MUSIC: Detroit Jump

:15:56.:15:57.

by Big Maceo There was Kim this I was young, and some

:15:58.:16:17.

of it is pretentiousness. I always hoped that music should be

:16:18.:16:28.

classless and should be MUSIC: Child Of The Moon

:16:29.:16:30.

by The Rolling Stones It was a feeling, late '50s, early '60s,

:16:31.:16:42.

that there was a change coming. Harold Macmillan actually said

:16:43.:16:45.

it but he didn't mean I felt that too but

:16:46.:16:47.

from a different angle. BABY CRIES MUSIC: Jumpin' Jack Flash

:16:48.:17:07.

by The Rolling Stones I certainly felt that my generation

:17:08.:17:18.

and what was happening I was three years of art school,

:17:19.:17:20.

I take this bloody portfolio up I wasn't interested any

:17:21.:17:57.

more in illustration My portfolio was a piece

:17:58.:18:14.

of crap, quite honestly. They look at it and either they're

:18:15.:18:23.

sniggering or muttering... "By the way, Mr Richards,

:18:24.:18:26.

can you make a good cup of tea?" And that's where the hair went up

:18:27.:18:29.

and I went, "Yeah, I can. And I just walked out and threw

:18:30.:18:32.

the fucking whole thing in the rubbish bin downstairs

:18:33.:18:40.

and that's it, you know. PUNCHING AND GRUNTING

:18:41.:18:50.

The guitar just looked at me and I looked at it and I said,

:18:51.:18:56.

"Either you and me get along or I've TRAIN HORN He was on the train

:18:57.:18:59.

with the records. "I know you, "but what you've got

:19:00.:19:10.

under your arm is worth robbing." # Pleased to meet you Hope

:19:11.:19:17.

you guessed my name... # It's only the fact

:19:18.:19:21.

that he was carrying Muddy Waters and Chuck Berry under his arm

:19:22.:19:24.

that we re-hooked, you know, because I've known Mick

:19:25.:19:29.

since I was about four years old... ..but we don't talk

:19:30.:19:31.

about that a lot. MUSIC: Stray Cat Blues

:19:32.:19:39.

by The Rolling Stones # I hear the click-clack of your feet

:19:40.:19:50.

on the stairs # I know you're no scare-eyed honey # There'll be

:19:51.:19:54.

a feast if you just come upstairs # But it's no hanging

:19:55.:19:59.

matter. Suddenly, the Stones were making

:20:00.:20:00.

some bread. I was going to buy them...

:20:01.:20:38.

And I set Mum up in a nice house that she likes

:20:39.:20:40.

and dah-dah... And the weirdest thing

:20:41.:20:44.

being that,

:20:45.:20:48.

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