Nicky and Wynton: The Making of a Concerto


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Nicola Benedetti is one of the most sought-after classical violinists

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of her generation.

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She regularly performs with the greatest orchestras in the world.

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Wynton Marsalis is one of the biggest stars in jazz,

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A trumpet virtuoso and composer with nine Grammy Awards

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and a Pulitzer Prize to his name.

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They're working together on a concerto

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which Wynton will write for Nicky,

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and which she will premiere with the London Symphony Orchestra.

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It's going to be embarrassing.

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These two very different artists share a common goal.

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They both believe that great music can transcend rigid categories

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like jazz or classical.

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But the next nine months will put that belief to the test.

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Yes, this whole thing so far has been much more time-consuming

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-than I expected.

-It's already late.

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So, I mean, it's not going to be on time.

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Wynton has been a mentor to Nicky

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since she found stardom in her late teens.

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The winner of the 2004 Young Musician Of The Year is

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-Nicola Benedetti!

-APPLAUSE

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But they have never collaborated like this before.

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I can't do this, I'm sorry.

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With intimate access behind the scenes,

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we follow these two intensely driven individuals as they try to create

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a concerto that can unite the different musical traditions

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that have defined them.

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I love jazz music and I love the orchestra.

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Now, I think the two can come together.

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I may not be able to do it,

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but somebody can do it.

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It's January 2015,

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and Nicola Benedetti has arrived in New York to work with

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Wynton Marsalis on his violin concerto for the first time.

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Two days ago,

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I received, like, the first printed...

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copy of some music from Wynton.

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Before that, the only thing I had was, like, things like this...

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and which are impossible to read.

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And, actually, this is very neat.

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This is much more neat than the first couple of photographs

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that I was sent, but...

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um...it is still, like...

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You know, it's not the most practical thing to read off.

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SHE PLAYS

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One of the cornerstones of the classical repertoire,

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the concerto is a piece written for a soloist and an orchestra.

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Many of the greatest violinists in history have inspired concertos,

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like those by Mendelssohn, Brahms and Sibelius.

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Every single violin concerto out there, almost all of them,

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was written with a violinist saying to the composer, "That's too hard,

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"that's too easy, you should add this, you should take away that."

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He keeps saying he wants it to be something that I am really

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enthusiastic about playing. So he wants to write it for me,

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something that I love to play,

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rather than just, like, here is his masterpiece composition,

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you'd better like it, kind of thing.

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So he's really been sort of sending me a lot of things,

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like thematic material,

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and then also the sort of more technically demanding things,

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just asking, "Does this work? Do you like this?

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"Is this the kind of thing that suits you?"

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So I've been receiving, like, little bits of information,

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drips and drabs like that, but nothing that, you know,

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has been a kind of whole structure.

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But if every concerto is a dialogue between soloist and orchestra,

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Wynton and Nicky want this one to be a dialogue

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between two very different types of music as well.

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But whatever ambitions they have for the piece,

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they have to start somewhere.

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I think it's best if we just go through the different moods first.

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But doesn't mean I can play it, though. I can't... I mean, I can't play it.

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I practised it this morning.

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I'm sorry, there's no "it". There's just... There's just notes.

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I just want to make sure that have caught the mood that you want in the different sections.

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So with this line, it has everything that you wanted in it?

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-So first it's like...

-HE PLAYS A FEW NOTES

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Like, you just...

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And it's, like... It builds up.

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This is where you get to the kind of psychological part

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that we're going to develop later.

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Then you come away from it.

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Now you get to the soulful part.

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So just those first bars, you have the encapsulations of the different

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moods that we're going to do.

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NICKY PLAYS

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It's really amazing to meet a person this much younger than me

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and who's that engaged with their culture, and that serious.

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Listen, it's very rare.

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For me, writing a piece is very personal.

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I almost get obsessed with my work, day and night,

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and have certain type of pressures.

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I only want to write it for her to like it.

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So we're just holding the chord.

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For Wynton, this piece would be an expression

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of some of his most deeply held beliefs about music.

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In his mind, music is always part of a shared human inheritance.

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The greatest body of literature in the West is music.

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All respect to Shakespeare and Dante and all the greats.

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That body of music is... Whew! That's a powerful library.

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'I don't separate music so much into styles.

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'Classical music is such a great library that I always liked.

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'And I never liked it against jazz.

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'I'm a jazz musician - my father was a jazz musician, I always loved jazz.

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'And not just one person is creative, or one group of people,

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'we're all creative. We can achieve great things if we're willing to

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'struggle with each other

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'and go through the dialogue and arguments and things and come back together.'

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'So we're just starting. I'm finished sketching the first movement, her part,

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'which is going to change. I sent her one sketch, she said it's too simple.

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'So I said, "OK." Normally, I get people complain it's too hard.'

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How did she say it...?

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She said, "None of this is anything that I could not play after looking at it for 20 minutes."

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So, OK, you know, we'll see.

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Like many modern concertos, Wynton's will have four movements.

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As spring arrives, Nicky receives the second movement.

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She no longer has a problem with the music being too easy.

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NICKY PLAYS

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SHE GRUNTS IN FRUSTRATION

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Oh, my goodness, have I got what I asked for,

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which was music that's hard to play!

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I'm just, like, looking at these notes, going,

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"Why would I have insisted on that?

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"Why would I want to make my life so difficult?"

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I must have practised this page for, like,

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I don't know, five hours in a row?

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And I still sounded terrible playing it.

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Part of the point of any concerto is to be a showcase for the talents of the soloist.

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The second movement is full of incredibly fast

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and virtuosic playing.

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But the notes themselves aren't the only reason it's going to

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be hard for Nicky to play.

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It's particularly difficult

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with music that you have never heard before,

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that you've never seen before

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and that there are no reference points for.

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You're starting from a completely different position

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to what you would if you were to open a Shostakovich violin concerto,

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and you have so much context.

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You know the sound of Shostakovich, you know his language,

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and you've sort of grown up with the...

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with the idea and the sense of how that sounds and how it's meant to sound.

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This is... This is so...

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alien in so many ways.

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It's going to rely on me so deeply understanding and feeling each sound

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and colour and expression.

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Unless you internalise them and you really live with it for a while

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and try to...

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try to...

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let it become a part of your fibre,

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it sounds very much like an imitation.

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We are definitely over the honeymoon phase.

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Definitely.

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And, like, all the little...

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..potential issues and cracks and challenges are...

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..not on their way to surfacing, they are here.

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They're definitely here.

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THEY PLAY JAZZ

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Part of what will make Wynton's music so challenging for both Nicky

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and the orchestra to play is that it revolves around a type of sound

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and feeling that rarely features in the classical canon.

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I love jazz music.

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It has a certain type of humour and optimism,

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it has Anglo-Celtic music as the foundation of the harmonies

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and the melodies.

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There's African rhythm.

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Afro-American rhythm and feeling.

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And it's rooted in the blues.

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If you play 99% of your time in something

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that's not blues idiom music,

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it takes a great investment to make a blues idiom statement.

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It's hard.

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Nicky's great investment in taking on this piece is about more

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than learning and understanding the blues.

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Her part will encompass African rhythms, burlesque passages,

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gospel inflections and traces of Celtic folk.

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Classical violinists don't often play any of these things,

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let alone all of them, in one concerto.

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OK, that's short.

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De-de de-de-AH-da.

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It's a combination of a jig and an African 6/8.

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'I always loved the fiddle,

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'trying to figure how to make the instrument do the things

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'that I can bring to it that are different.

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'I have to filter through my own sensibility of jazz,

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'and make the orchestra groove, make it play the feeling of the blues,

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'to change the emotions and colours the way we do it in jazz,

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'because we are improvising.'

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De-de... Just like you're playing a jig.

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HE CONTINUES DEMONSTRATING RHYTHM

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So it's one, two, three, four.

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So we're going from one-two-three, one-two-three, one-two-three.

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HE DEMONSTRATES

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'For some reason, there's a desire to dismiss things that are dance-like,

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'or tuneful, or grooving.

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'And many times it's dismissed by those who can't groove,

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'those who don't understand the power of a groove.

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'The presence of a groove doesn't mean a lack of emotional depth

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'or psychological complexity.'

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HE DEMONSTRATES

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-Yeah, but am I...?

-You can do it. It's a drum, too.

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It's a very percussive instrument.

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I mean, you've written, "Sing out." Is it...? Is it like...?

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-It's loud.

-OK.

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It's like when the piano plays...

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HE PLAYS EMPHATICALLY

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But then it became... It became like what singers

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in the '50s would play... in the churches, like...

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MORE EMPHATIC

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# And the Lord knows

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# That you will find...# You know what I mean? It's just...

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# DE-de-de-de-de-de DE-de-de-de-de-de. #

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OK, that's the first time I just about played it!

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I'm trying to finish her part.

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And I'm... Of course I'm late.

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Every time she plays it, I hope it changes.

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There's going to be an end to that.

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Especially... Especially with anything...

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Especially with anything fast.

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Like, the plan is, when I go home after this trip,

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is that all the fast stuff basically stays as it is, because I just...

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-I'm not going to be... I'm actually not going to be able to learn it in time otherwise.

-Just make up stuff.

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I can't do that. I'm incapable.

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It's just fast, you can do it.

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-I can't.

-When you start playing, you'll see it.

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I will stop. I'll just stop, in the concert.

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Don't. Just start playing 16th notes.

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Don't.

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Six months into their collaboration,

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it is clear to Nicky that flexibility and openness

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to change are fundamental to Wynton's approach to composition.

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But this doesn't always sit well

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with her rigorous classical training.

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I sent some little clips to Wynton of the things that I was working on.

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And if he hears something that is not sitting right

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or that doesn't sound that good,

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his instinct is just to want to change the notes,

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all the time. Just change it.

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The whole point of the last trip that I took to New York was, like,

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to have the notes finalised and they're not going to change now.

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Nicky's difficulty with changing notes is partly a practical one.

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It's only when she's been able to solve the complex puzzle of where

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to place her fingers and her bow

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that she can start the real work of finding and creating her own voice

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within the piece.

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No matter how much I try to explain to him how long the process takes to

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really solidify the music into your fingers and into your muscle memory,

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the worst thing that he can do is just change the notes all the time.

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Which is what he keeps doing.

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In terms of the hours put in

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to actually developing your interpretation of something,

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there's definitely something about how you're tying yourself to

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those notes and how you're working out what you're going to say through them.

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And that's something that happens if you spend 50 hours doing that

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that couldn't possibly happen if you just pick it up and play it.

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But for Nicky, the hours she needs to spend on the new piece

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will have to be found whilst constantly playing concerts

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and doing music education work all over the world.

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Wynton must finalise Nicky's part and write the entire

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orchestra score while playing a similar number of gigs

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and simultaneously being responsible for a major cultural institution -

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Jazz at Lincoln Center.

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I'm playing a Brahms violin concerto,

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a Korngold and Glazunov violin concerto.

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Quite a lot of chamber music repertoires - Schubert,

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a lot of Vivaldi pieces.

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Obviously this monster of a piece.

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I wonder how many concertos have been composed on the road like this.

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I don't know too much is done like this.

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It's unorthodox.

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If you want unusual results, you have to do something unusual.

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Yes, this whole thing so far has been much more time-consuming than I expected.

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Often if feels like you're just being sort of pulled and pushed

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in so many different directions.

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I know Nicky's part is going to be great.

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She thinks I'm not respectful enough of all the work that she has to do, but she's going to do that.

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I'll be particularly happy when my part is not only written but it's going to stay as it is.

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-'Right.'

-You know, I have eight versions of the second movement

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and each time I print a new version,

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I have to put in every single bowing and fingering again.

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'That's why you should have played trumpet.'

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SHE LAUGHS

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I've barely spoken to Wynton the last couple of weeks.

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And he just sounds like someone who hasn't slept at all.

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I mean, I barely recognised his voice.

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If I don't have this music finished...

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I don't know what's going to happen with the wave I'm on.

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So I'd better make sure I ride this wave out.

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After months of communicating by e-mail and phone,

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Nicky and Wynton are finally able to get together in London.

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All four movements of Nicky's part are now written, but she still needs

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Wynton's help to explain the emotions and meaning behind it.

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All the thematic material and everything is in this.

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Doesn't necessarily help me play the rest of the notes.

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But it helps me understand the meaning behind them.

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OK. Um...

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It's like you remembering something that's unbelievably...

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It's not even sweet, it's far beyond that.

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The first movement is night-time.

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This is right before you go to sleep.

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You're going to have a dream.

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You sing somebody a lullaby or a bedtime story.

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Then it goes to the groove.

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This has a real build-up,

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it's like you're going to a destination that's kind of high-minded.

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You're looking up here. You came from the blues, now you're going up here.

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And when you get to this point now, it goes back to that pastoral feel.

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HE HUMS MELODY

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-Then you say...

-HE HUMS

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Now, when you get to that, that's when you're almost asleep.

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I mean, like, your thoughts that you have right before you go to sleep.

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-HE HUMS

-Like... Like angels, they're just flitting around.

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So you see that... For this beginning section to be successful,

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all of that has to be in it.

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At this point, that much information is just great.

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It changes everything about how I feel, about how I play,

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about how I feel in relation to the other parts, the tempos, the sound, everything.

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It only builds depth into the piece.

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VIOLIN MUSIC FADES INTO JAZZ DRUMMING

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His unrelenting tour schedule brings Wynton and his team to France,

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to play the Jazz In Marciac Festival.

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The first important deadline for the concerto is fast approaching.

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RAGTIME JAZZ

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A full draft of the score is nearly complete.

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The race is on to put in all the finishing touches,

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as in two weeks' time, an orchestra has been lined up to rehearse it

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for them, in Chautauqua, in upstate New York.

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This will be the first and only time they get to hear the concerto before

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its premiere in London.

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-Are you going to be on time for Chautauqua?

-Define "on time".

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It's already late. So, I mean, it's not going to be on time.

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Every day, there is always 25 things.

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Are you going to have time for a rest after all this?

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There's no rest. This is the rest.

0:21:370:21:40

This actually is the rest.

0:21:400:21:41

I get to play with Walter and Vic and everybody, that's the rest.

0:21:410:21:45

MODERN JAZZ

0:21:450:21:48

For Wynton, scoring for an entire orchestra

0:21:560:21:59

allows him to express himself on a scale

0:21:590:22:01

that exists nowhere else in music.

0:22:010:22:03

But it's not without its challenges.

0:22:030:22:06

If you come on the road with a band...

0:22:060:22:08

We've been blowin' with each other for 20 years, 15 years.

0:22:080:22:10

It's no problem communicating with each other.

0:22:100:22:13

We talk all the time. "Play this music like this."

0:22:130:22:16

And it's not said in arrogance, it's just we have a method, a way of working on stuff.

0:22:160:22:20

It is democratic, we understand what our objective...

0:22:200:22:23

or our perspective, and we are willing to...

0:22:230:22:26

But then again, that's 15 people.

0:22:260:22:28

Could I conceive of 70 people doing it?

0:22:280:22:31

They COULD do it, it's hard to conceive of it.

0:22:330:22:36

BLUESY JAZZ

0:22:360:22:39

Unlike some composers,

0:22:410:22:42

Wynton writes every note by hand for every single part of the orchestra.

0:22:420:22:47

The only person helping him with this is his copyist, Jonathan Kelly,

0:22:470:22:51

who must transcribe his handwriting into readable scores.

0:22:510:22:55

The whole idea of composing music for a symphony,

0:22:550:22:58

you're taking a thought

0:22:580:23:01

and then making a visual representation of thought.

0:23:010:23:05

So you're going from thought to visual representation,

0:23:050:23:09

to another person looking at it and interpreting your visual

0:23:090:23:13

representation of your thought.

0:23:130:23:16

And then hoping that all 100 of them...um...

0:23:160:23:21

kind of...kind of...hear

0:23:210:23:25

or see the thought in similar fashion.

0:23:250:23:28

It's almost impossible, if you really think about it.

0:23:280:23:31

Back in London, with the first rehearsal looming,

0:23:330:23:36

Nicky must deepen her own understanding

0:23:360:23:38

of what all the other arrangements will be playing.

0:23:380:23:41

Yesterday, I received this from Jonathan, who's in France.

0:23:410:23:46

These are the new parts.

0:23:460:23:47

So this is the chance I have to actually see what the flutes are playing,

0:23:470:23:52

piccolo, oboe, clarinet, bassoon, horns, trumpets, trombones, tuba,

0:23:520:23:56

timpani, three percussionists, harp, violin one, violin two, viola,

0:23:560:24:01

cello and bass.

0:24:010:24:03

My biggest fear would be that...

0:24:030:24:05

..something changes at the last minute, I don't have enough time to adjust,

0:24:070:24:11

and I somehow come unstuck with the orchestra and conductor.

0:24:110:24:15

It's perfectly possible.

0:24:150:24:17

It can happen in pieces that we all know really well and we've played

0:24:170:24:21

a million times. It can happen.

0:24:210:24:23

But with a piece that's brand-new

0:24:230:24:25

and so many changes happening all the time,

0:24:250:24:29

I think the chances of that happening are significantly higher.

0:24:290:24:33

All the work so far has been leading up to this moment.

0:24:380:24:42

Nicky and Wynton are heading to Chautauqua,

0:24:420:24:44

where they're going to hear the concerto for the first time.

0:24:440:24:47

The car ride up is the last chance for Nicky to try to understand the orchestra's part.

0:24:470:24:53

Who's playing that? Tuba?

0:24:530:24:55

Tuba. But one bass playing a heavy pizzicato.

0:24:550:24:59

And is this... # Um-ba um-ba... #

0:24:590:25:03

No, it's just a straight eight. # Ba um-ba um-ba...#

0:25:030:25:07

Tuba.

0:25:070:25:08

Tu...ba.

0:25:090:25:11

In Chautauqua, there will be two rehearsals and a performance

0:25:120:25:16

of the current draft of Wynton's unfinished concerto.

0:25:160:25:20

-INTERVIEWER:

-When this piece gets in front of an audience,

0:25:200:25:23

what's at stake for you guys then?

0:25:230:25:25

I want people to like it.

0:25:250:25:27

You know, I stayed up all...

0:25:270:25:29

For the last two months, I've been up at four, five o'clock in the morning,

0:25:290:25:33

after going to bed at two,

0:25:330:25:35

then working all day doing gigs and being on the road and being...

0:25:350:25:39

spoken to indelicately.

0:25:390:25:41

THEY LAUGH

0:25:410:25:43

That's...

0:25:430:25:44

That was the worst... I mean, that's it.

0:25:440:25:46

We've put the time and the work into it.

0:25:460:25:49

She was practising all... She practised 14 hours yesterday.

0:25:490:25:53

I really care.

0:25:530:25:55

I'm not going to lie about that at all.

0:25:560:25:59

Some people just...

0:25:590:26:00

will not be honest about that or they really don't.

0:26:000:26:03

I really care.

0:26:030:26:05

Chautauqua is a long way from the Barbican or Carnegie Hall,

0:26:110:26:15

but every summer, this small lakeside holiday community

0:26:150:26:18

plays host to a distinguished orchestra. For Nicky and Wynton,

0:26:180:26:21

their offer to workshop the concerto

0:26:210:26:23

was worth going out of their way for.

0:26:230:26:25

ORCHESTRA TUNES UP

0:26:250:26:27

When dealing with an orchestra of any kind,

0:26:290:26:32

rehearsal time is at a premium.

0:26:320:26:34

Regardless of how difficult they find the piece,

0:26:340:26:36

there will only be two three-hour sessions to work on it.

0:26:360:26:39

-All right, I'll keep at it, then.

-Yes, sure.

-The percussion...

0:26:420:26:45

And Jonathan is still making Wynton's changes

0:26:450:26:48

right up to the wire.

0:26:480:26:50

We delivered the music to the musicians just a few days ago.

0:26:500:26:54

Now, an hour before rehearsal,

0:26:540:26:56

I have to go to them and say, "OK, well, we're actually going to change this one section."

0:26:560:27:01

Instead of printing out a brand-new set of parts,

0:27:010:27:03

you paste in a few measures and put it into the original part.

0:27:030:27:09

ORCHESTRA TUNES UP

0:27:090:27:11

The guest conductor is Cristi Macelaru.

0:27:130:27:15

Let's hear this. There's nothing like hearing music for the first time.

0:27:230:27:27

So we'll start at the beginning and make our way through there.

0:27:270:27:30

I know there are many questions, but...

0:27:300:27:33

but Mr Marsalis is right here and he will answer everything.

0:27:330:27:37

'It's hard being a composer. It's a very difficult thing.'

0:27:400:27:44

You create something that is only alive when someone else

0:27:440:27:47

believes in it, when someone else does it.

0:27:470:27:49

VIOLIN PLAYS

0:27:510:27:55

Most composers, in my experience,

0:28:030:28:06

when they hear something they wrote for the first time, they're shocked.

0:28:060:28:10

You know? And sometimes at the very beginning, the first reaction is,

0:28:100:28:14

"Oh, my God, this is completely not what I expected,"

0:28:140:28:16

and they don't like it, you know,

0:28:160:28:18

because they've lived with the music inside their head and it's become

0:28:180:28:21

such a personal thing that it's hard to let it go.

0:28:210:28:26

Wynton is indeed shocked by what he hears in the first few minutes.

0:28:400:28:45

OK. I know I'm a little slow. I know... I'm... Sorry, Wynton.

0:28:450:28:50

OK. Shall we try this? This is 199. Thank you so much for your patience.

0:28:500:28:54

-There's a lot she did that...

-OK.

-There's a lot I need to...

0:28:550:28:58

The first half seemed too dry, the second half seemed too much.

0:28:590:29:03

The first rehearsal is never perfect,

0:29:150:29:17

but for Jonathan and Wynton, there were far more issues

0:29:170:29:19

with the piece than they had expected.

0:29:190:29:21

This here is terrible. It's just a groove, though.

0:29:240:29:28

You know what I want to do? Give this part to one bassist.

0:29:280:29:32

I have to make sure that this is right, what I'm saying.

0:29:320:29:35

I'm trying to figure out why this harmony doesn't sound right.

0:29:350:29:38

I think I heard a lot that I would like to change.

0:29:380:29:42

We make the changes we can make. Some of them we can't make.

0:29:420:29:44

But it's not going to change a lot,

0:29:440:29:46

but there's just some things I want to change.

0:29:460:29:49

That first play-through was a shock to you at first?

0:29:490:29:52

That first 15 minutes was irresolute for me.

0:29:520:29:55

It was, whoo...

0:29:550:29:57

I start looking at it, like, "What?"

0:29:570:29:59

I can't tell what...

0:29:590:30:01

..whether what I wrote is inept or, you know,

0:30:020:30:05

just for everybody to get used to the language.

0:30:050:30:09

And this... You have to be patient.

0:30:090:30:12

-What are your expectations for tomorrow?

-I expect it'll improve.

0:30:160:30:19

I hope it does.

0:30:200:30:21

You know, that's basically what it is.

0:30:230:30:26

ORCHESTRA TUNES UP

0:30:330:30:35

None of the musicians know the music, nobody was playing the right dynamics.

0:30:350:30:39

We've loads of wrong notes.

0:30:390:30:41

Some in the part, some just people playing the wrong notes.

0:30:410:30:43

You have, like, even just 15 mistakes like that

0:30:430:30:46

within the first five minutes of a piece and it sounds like a completely different piece.

0:30:460:30:51

ORCHESTRA PLAYS

0:30:510:30:53

With no further rehearsals planned until the piece arrives at the LSO,

0:30:550:30:59

Wynton has only three remaining hours with an orchestra in front of him

0:30:590:31:03

to establish what is and isn't working.

0:31:030:31:06

It needs to be slower. The whole thing should be grooving, more than being virtuosity -

0:31:080:31:12

it's more groove. You want to tell him about the violin?

0:31:120:31:16

-Yeah.

-Can the first play 8va

0:31:170:31:20

on the pick-up to 74 for that four-bar phrase?

0:31:200:31:23

Five or whatever it is?

0:31:230:31:24

ORCHESTRA PLAYS

0:31:260:31:28

Maestro, can we take the timpani out from measure 157 to 165?

0:31:320:31:37

-Maestro?

-Yes, sir.

-Would you do the same thing at measure 25?

0:31:370:31:41

That's the one point that has to be really clear, what she's playing.

0:31:410:31:44

-Maestro?

-Yes, please?

0:31:440:31:46

Can we take the cymbal part out from measure 133 to 138?

0:31:460:31:50

Just leave the tambourine.

0:31:500:31:52

And also the horns from the same, please.

0:31:520:31:54

Is this getting closer to what you had in mind?

0:31:540:31:56

Just the feeling is not right.

0:31:560:31:58

We know the melody and the bass are confused.

0:31:580:32:01

-Give us one more chance.

-It's not...

0:32:010:32:03

It's something that's globally wrong.

0:32:030:32:06

So there's probably six or seven places in the piece

0:32:200:32:23

that have kind of monumental changes that you don't have time

0:32:230:32:28

to fix, communicate, practise,

0:32:280:32:31

so...that'll just have to happen after.

0:32:310:32:35

-INTERVIEWER:

-And by definition they'll be unpractised when this gets to the LSO?

0:32:350:32:39

Yeah.

0:32:390:32:40

Yeah, the LSO will be looking at a brand-new set of parts.

0:32:400:32:45

It's obvious the concerto is far from ready.

0:32:480:32:51

Whether they know it's a test run or not,

0:32:510:32:53

the idea of playing it to any audience right now is more than

0:32:530:32:56

a little unsettling for Nicky.

0:32:560:32:58

Usually after rehearsal, I would have a really proper debrief

0:32:580:33:01

just with myself, and I haven't had the space to do that,

0:33:010:33:05

on all the things that, like, I did wrong...

0:33:050:33:09

of which there were many.

0:33:090:33:11

So I'm just going...

0:33:110:33:13

I've got, like, half an hour.

0:33:130:33:16

The question is... I can't believe I'm going to play this.

0:33:220:33:25

-Yeah, you're going to play.

-That's going to be embarrassing.

0:33:250:33:28

-This...

-It won't be.

-OK, I'm just going to...

0:33:280:33:31

I'm not going to play that tonight.

0:33:310:33:33

I'm just going to play there.

0:33:330:33:35

You can play that, too.

0:33:350:33:38

Ohhh...

0:33:380:33:40

OK.

0:33:400:33:41

-If for some reason I don't get... What should I do?

-It doesn't matter.

0:33:430:33:47

If I just end up there and play that, that's OK?

0:33:470:33:49

-Just feel it. Yeah.

-You'd rather I...?

0:33:520:33:54

Concentrate on playing, don't concentrate on that.

0:33:540:33:56

Don't worry about that, OK? That's not in a place.

0:33:560:33:59

Don't start thinking about going from there to there.

0:33:590:34:02

-It's going to be...

-It's not.

0:34:020:34:03

The amount of just...

0:34:030:34:05

..notes that are not just wrong, they're going to be in-between...

0:34:070:34:09

No-one will know that they're wrong.

0:34:090:34:12

-No, I know, OK.

-I wrote them, and

-I

-won't know.

-OK.

0:34:120:34:14

-Don't worry about it.

-OK.

0:34:140:34:15

ORCHESTRA TUNES UP

0:34:150:34:17

Yes.

0:34:220:34:23

-Ready?

-I suddenly feel slightly sick.

0:34:250:34:27

CONDUCTOR LAUGHS

0:34:270:34:29

Maybe not only slightly, maybe quite sick.

0:34:290:34:33

OK, look, whatever happens, you know...

0:34:330:34:37

I'll start whistling your part if there's a problem.

0:34:370:34:39

-Don't worry about it.

-You are...

0:34:390:34:41

APPLAUSE

0:34:440:34:46

CONCERTO CONTINUES

0:35:270:35:31

After repeatedly listening to the recording of the Chautauqua performance,

0:36:320:36:36

Nicky's mind is now focused on the audibility of her part.

0:36:360:36:40

So we're just... We're just going through the part,

0:36:400:36:42

analysing all the things we didn't think worked,

0:36:420:36:44

-especially the balance issues. Um...

-INTERVIEWER:

-What's the balance issue? Explain that.

0:36:440:36:49

Balance issues, basically, when Wynton's over-scored the orchestra,

0:36:490:36:53

used too much brass and percussion.

0:36:530:36:56

When they play, they cover me, so just trying to reduce them

0:36:560:36:59

so that you can definitely hear me.

0:36:590:37:01

In many cases, a violin concerto might have a 30- to 40-piece orchestra

0:37:010:37:05

playing behind the soloist.

0:37:050:37:07

Wynton's concerto calls for around 80 players.

0:37:070:37:10

Nicky's virtuosity will mean nothing if the orchestra drowns her out.

0:37:100:37:14

I'm sure you couldn't hear that in the hall.

0:37:140:37:17

-You can hear it.

-Do you remember that specifically?

0:37:170:37:19

Everything you couldn't hear I've marked in the score

0:37:190:37:22

and said you cannot hear it.

0:37:220:37:24

-What about that?

-What was the problem with that?

0:37:240:37:27

If you had to analyse it.

0:37:270:37:29

-First, the...

-Well, the first problem is that you can't hear me,

0:37:330:37:37

that's the first problem.

0:37:370:37:39

INDISTINCT

0:37:390:37:41

That's always the first problem.

0:37:410:37:42

-But the question is why?

-I'm what?

0:37:420:37:44

I'm saying why is it that you think you can't hear the part?

0:37:440:37:48

If you look at the part and analyse it.

0:37:480:37:51

If we just listen to it.

0:37:510:37:53

What would be your analysation of the problem?

0:37:530:37:57

Because I'm playing with a lot of people that are playing forte.

0:37:570:38:01

Who's playing...? Who of the people that are playing are playing forte

0:38:010:38:05

would be in your way?

0:38:050:38:06

The bassoons? The oboe's an octave below you or something?

0:38:070:38:11

-Look at who's playing.

-I'm looking.

0:38:130:38:16

In their middle reg... They're not in strong registers for that.

0:38:160:38:19

So what do you suggest?

0:38:200:38:22

Everything I'm saying is based on the fact that you've marked that

0:38:220:38:25

you couldn't hear me, it's not just my, like...

0:38:250:38:28

When we listen to the tape, why do you think you couldn't be heard?

0:38:280:38:31

Just listen to the tape and think about it.

0:38:310:38:36

Even the percussion, like, always seems like it

0:38:360:38:39

does take up quite a lot of noise.

0:38:390:38:41

Maybe it could just start less.

0:38:410:38:43

-PENCIL SCRIBBLES

-You can hear that.

0:38:430:38:45

That's not going to be a problem.

0:38:450:38:47

I can't do this. I'm sorry.

0:38:470:38:50

CHAIR SCRAPES

0:38:500:38:51

It'll be heard now.

0:38:560:38:58

-THUMP

-Taking out the whole thing?

0:38:580:39:00

You can be heard when nothing is there.

0:39:000:39:02

What's there is still...

0:39:020:39:04

-is going to go bom-bom-bom...

-HE CONTINUES

0:39:040:39:10

And you hear the violin.

0:39:100:39:12

She thinks that I'm mad taking it out, but I'm not.

0:39:160:39:18

I don't mind taking it out.

0:39:180:39:20

We'll work it out.

0:39:230:39:24

That's what collaboration is.

0:39:260:39:28

You have to work it out.

0:39:290:39:31

It'll work out.

0:39:320:39:34

It is so difficult to have those conversations

0:39:490:39:52

where you're trying to say to somebody you think it's great,

0:39:520:39:55

but maybe it's just not this or not that, and...

0:39:550:39:58

Oh, I hate it.

0:39:580:40:00

I have so much work to do between now and the actual concert.

0:40:000:40:04

After two more months of changes and rewrites,

0:40:180:40:20

Wynton's concerto has been delivered to the London Symphony Orchestra.

0:40:200:40:24

The time has come for Nicky to rehearse and play the premiere.

0:40:240:40:31

NICKY PLAYS VIOLIN

0:40:310:40:33

This time, the guest conductor is James Gaffigan.

0:40:360:40:40

Yeah.

0:40:420:40:44

Do you think we will, in the time that we have,

0:40:440:40:46

-at least get to play through the last movement today?

-We'll feel it.

0:40:460:40:50

I think the bulk of the time should be spent on the first

0:40:500:40:52

and then showing them the ending of the piece.

0:40:520:40:54

You know, they should see what's happening there.

0:40:540:40:57

-Yeah.

-So...

0:40:570:40:58

-It'll be fun. Great. I'm going to go up there and just see how they're setting it up.

-OK.

0:40:580:41:03

I have two parts of my personality.

0:41:050:41:07

I have the very black and white, logistical part of my personality,

0:41:070:41:11

of what's going to work, what's not going to work.

0:41:110:41:14

And when I look at a score like that, I see problems right away.

0:41:140:41:18

But I think in the case of doing a world premiere,

0:41:180:41:22

there's going to be a lot of shocking things one will hear.

0:41:220:41:26

Wrong notes, wrong rhythms.

0:41:260:41:28

Some are the musician's fault, some are the composer's fault,

0:41:280:41:30

some are the copyist's fault.

0:41:300:41:33

Some are the soloist's fault, some are the conductor's fault.

0:41:330:41:36

We are all guilty at one point or another.

0:41:360:41:38

And it just takes time.

0:41:430:41:45

It never happens right away.

0:41:450:41:47

-INTERVIEWER:

-Are you ready for this?

-I'm really nervous.

0:41:510:41:53

I'm, like, slightly panicking.

0:41:530:41:55

I'm not panicking, just...really nervous.

0:41:550:41:58

I react quite strongly to the rehearsal process with the orchestra

0:42:030:42:07

and it's something I do build up to and I expect something from myself

0:42:070:42:13

and from the collaboration.

0:42:130:42:15

And there's something about it that is, like...

0:42:150:42:20

You know, you're just diving into it -

0:42:200:42:22

I mean, literally like diving into the unknown.

0:42:220:42:26

CONCERTO PLAYS

0:42:260:42:29

This tempo, I was just...

0:42:380:42:41

-Fine.

-They were just... You know, so many things going slightly wrong.

0:42:410:42:44

-This tempo, I think, could be much slower.

-7/8 slower.

0:42:440:42:47

-Much more like...

-Ah!

0:42:510:42:53

-This is more like...

-The softer all of this is,

0:42:530:42:55

-and very clear and comical, this place.

-Yeah.

0:42:550:42:57

Yeah. Yeah, let's make sure. OK.

0:42:590:43:01

'I'm really not feeling so positive just now

0:43:010:43:04

'because I just feel like it was sort of a bit messy.'

0:43:040:43:08

Everything was loud. A lot of the time, I couldn't hear myself.

0:43:080:43:13

I couldn't hear any clarity in my part.

0:43:130:43:15

I couldn't hear clarity in the orchestra,

0:43:150:43:18

but they're also just a loud orchestra

0:43:180:43:20

and they're an orchestra that can create this unbelievable

0:43:200:43:23

overview and expansiveness.

0:43:230:43:25

But for this, so much of the time,

0:43:250:43:27

we just need, like, really cold clarity.

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It's such a...completely new landscape to these musicians.

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And to Nicky and I, actually.

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Although things make sense in the score, it's like...

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When it's happening in front of you, you realise, whoa,

0:43:410:43:45

this is going to be difficult.

0:43:450:43:47

I couldn't really get a feel for

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how much everybody was feeling the piece or not.

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Just feels like a blur,

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just like a blur of just, like, wading our way through

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and it feels like quite a panicked sort of environment as well.

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It doesn't feel...very calm

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and it doesn't feel like it has much clarity,

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so I just don't feel great.

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And, of course, I immediately blame everything on myself.

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Like, my sound is small, my sound is not carrying enough,

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it's not leading enough, blah blah blah.

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But I've spoken to, like, the people who are with me that are here

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and they're saying it's not the case, it's just that...

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There's just too much chaos going on and they just have to be brought

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right down and everything has to be cleaned up and clarified.

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'It's hard to write for a violinist and 100 people.

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'It's a bit strange, when you think about it,

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'but this has become the norm to have 80 to 100 people on stage

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'and one violinist as a soloist.

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'What's the use of doing all this work, of doing all this gymnastics,

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'when no-one's going to hear you?'

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But it doesn't mean the soloist should play louder.

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It means the orchestra needs to play in a more transparent way.

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Personally, I feel like things like the second movement,

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the first run of the second movement

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in Chautauqua was clearer than it was today.

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That's how I feel.

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Anyway, it's fine. Everything is fine.

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SHE EXHALES

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I just don't do well when I think I'm playing badly.

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I'm just always very...

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Um... I feel very, you know, low, when I think that.

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OK!

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The day of the performance has finally arrived.

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The rehearsal process has left Nicky wondering if she's prepared or not.

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-'Hello?'

-Hi, it's Nicola Benedetti.

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-BEEP

-'The LSO?'

-Yes.

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DOOR CLICKS

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'I'm not going to be able to be at the premiere.'

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That's right in our fall season.

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And it kills me that I can't be there.

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I want to be there, even if it's just for moral support.

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It's nothing... I mean, I'm not playing.

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And Nicky is going to play great.

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She knows the piece. She is serious about it.

0:46:510:46:53

I'm not worried at all.

0:46:530:46:55

Wynton, he's going to be a nervous wreck,

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and all he's relying on is me...

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sending him messages about, "Yeah, it sounds good," or...

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Actually, the interesting thing about Wynton is that if I write to him and I say,

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"Hey, here's an issue at bar 73,

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"I think that the French horns are too loud,

0:47:120:47:15

"maybe we can pull them back," there's no problem, he'll respond.

0:47:150:47:19

Any time you tell him that everything sounds good,

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he thinks I'm lying to him

0:47:210:47:23

because I'm just trying to protect myself from doing more work!

0:47:230:47:26

Which isn't true.

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In the Barbican Hall,

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an audience of London's classical music elite starts to assemble.

0:47:310:47:35

I think if I would be there, I would really be nervous for her.

0:47:430:47:47

A soloist is by themselves.

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A band, you are a family.

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It's a big difference.

0:47:510:47:53

The life she is living, that's a hard life.

0:47:530:47:55

There's a lot of pressure playing these very difficult pieces.

0:47:550:47:58

You've got to be on a certain level of perfection.

0:47:580:48:01

You're sitting in front of all those people, playing your instrument. It's always the dynamic.

0:48:010:48:05

She has a lot of pressure on her.

0:48:050:48:08

There's something about the life of walking on stage, playing this thing

0:48:130:48:18

from memory, everybody so silent.

0:48:180:48:19

It's like there can be something...

0:48:190:48:22

There can be a lot of tension in the profession of doing that.

0:48:220:48:26

There's no real predicting

0:48:310:48:32

what you're going to feel and what's suddenly going to, like, surface.

0:48:320:48:37

It'll take you by surprise,

0:48:370:48:39

but that's part of the risk that you take.

0:48:390:48:41

I hope that they have the opportunity to love her artistry

0:48:480:48:51

and her musicianship. I want people to enjoy things.

0:48:510:48:56

And I offer things to people when I'm doing it,

0:48:560:48:58

because if I'm not going to offer it to you, I don't need you...

0:48:580:49:02

I can keep it. Like, I don't...

0:49:020:49:05

You know, I'm offering it.

0:49:070:49:09

And I'll take the risk that you'll hurt my feelings.

0:49:090:49:12

This is the life... the life we live.

0:49:120:49:14

We try new things, we try to do things.

0:49:140:49:16

-Let's do it.

-Right.

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INDISTINCT

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HE CLAPS

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APPLAUSE

0:49:220:49:24

I could never imagine writing a piece of music like this

0:49:350:49:39

and letting it go.

0:49:390:49:40

It must be a strange feeling, you know.

0:49:400:49:44

You have a child and the child is yours.

0:49:440:49:47

It's clearly yours, it has...

0:49:470:49:50

everything from you, you know, the DNA, all these beautiful things.

0:49:500:49:55

But then one day, that child's going to go out in the world.

0:49:550:49:58

And that child's going to change and that child is going to grow.

0:49:580:50:02

APPLAUSE AND CHEERING

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The crowd give the premiere a standing ovation.

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-It was great. How do you feel?

-INDISTINCT REPLY

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And even the famously hard to please LSO is impressed.

0:57:220:57:27

I think this is a very exciting new piece and I think

0:57:270:57:32

it's a great addition to the violin concerto repertoire.

0:57:320:57:36

And I'm sure it will last the test of time.

0:57:360:57:40

But for both Nicky and Wynton,

0:57:430:57:44

the story of the concerto is only just beginning.

0:57:440:57:48

I have this piece and it has been written

0:57:480:57:50

and it's going to change with me

0:57:500:57:52

and it's going to change in ways that I don't even know yet,

0:57:520:57:56

and that's one of the most fulfilling and beautiful journeys

0:57:560:58:00

that you have with a piece of music.

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I did not play remotely perfectly, but I was, I think,

0:58:040:58:07

very relaxed and just gave it everything, and people just...

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The piece was...

0:58:110:58:12

was...great.

0:58:120:58:14

I don't know what else to say. And people loved it.

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