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# Only the lonely... #

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People that are completely unique, you don't so much admire them as marvel at them.

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# Only the lonely... #

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I was sitting in the living room with my mum and my auntie and he came on the radio.

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What a voice, yeah, fantastic. I always liked his stuff, bought his records.

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My mum and my auntie were going, "Oh, he's too sexy!"

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# I remember that you said

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# Goodbye... #

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All of us in studying the craft of making a good record

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had studied Roy's work.

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In many ways, my whole life has been fashioned subconsciously by him.

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The way he was and the way he sang made him dead cool.

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Pretty difficult to find in Glasgow, when you look about shops and want a pair of roll-ups and sunglasses.

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# Golden days before they end... #

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I think Roy and England had a love affair. I mean, Roy loved the British and the British loved Roy.

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APPLAUSE

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INTRO TO "Pretty Woman"

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# Pretty woman, walkin' down the street... #

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By the 1980s, Roy Orbison's status as a living legend was well and truly confirmed

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when some big names in music queued up to be in the backing band for his Black And White Night concert.

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Roy and I talked about doing a show that would be a performance show for Roy.

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So we set a time finally,

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September 1987.

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# I couldn't help but see, pretty woman... #

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It had been a while since people had focused on Roy's music in this way.

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A lot of care was taken to do the songs justice, as the show does.

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# W-w-wow... #

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I'm being asked all the time how this wonderful cast came together.

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Everybody just seemed to be available at that particular time.

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If we had done it a month before or later, I don't think everybody could have been there.

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I don't think the entire ensemble was put together until we were all on the set at the Coconut Grove.

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'I know Bruce Springsteen arrived at the very last minute.'

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-How did you end there?

-'My big memory of that night'

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was Bruce arriving for the sound check and then realising

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that his memory of the songs was not the same as the ability to play them.

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-# Sweet dream, baby... #

-And then you go...

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# Sweet dream... #

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'When he looked at the charts and realised there were odd counts in some of the songs...'

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I have an image of him sitting with his guitar with the head... like a cassette Walkman,

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comparing what he had obviously memorised over a couple of decades since the records came out

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to what was written on the page and closing the distance between the two things to play on these songs.

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It's the measure of how much he loved Roy cos he was really dedicated.

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# Sweet dreams, baby

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# Oh, how long must I dream? #

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OK.

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# Sweet dreams, baby... #

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Orbison clearly inspired anyone who was anyone in music, but where did all the raw talent come from?

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Born in 1936 in the small town of Vernon, Texas,

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from an early age, Roy was single-minded in his pursuit of a career in music.

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My mom and dad gave me a guitar when I was six years old.

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I always wanted to be a singer. My father asked me, when I was about six or seven,

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maybe even earlier, I don't know if I was playing the guitar or not,

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but he said, "What will you be when you grow up?" I said, "A singer."

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I was able to get on a radio show when I was eight years old.

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An "Amateur Hour", and I showed up so often that they made me a part of the show.

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When I was 14, I think, I had moved to West Texas. And I formed a group.

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We were from Wink, Texas, so we were The Wink Westerners.

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When we got more popular, we became The Teen Kings.

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# We'll hang out and raise some fun We'll stay out till after one... #

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I met him the first time in Odessa, Texas. He had a group that played on TV there and the song was Ooby Dooby.

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# Ooby dooby, ooby dooby

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# Ooby dooby, ooby dooby, ooby dooby... #

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I made a demonstration record called Ooby Dooby.

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And I sent that to Sam Phillips in Memphis, Tennessee.

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He asked me, could I be there in three days?

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So I grabbed my group together and we made the record.

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I dropped out of the university, the junior college I was attending,

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and went on the road within two or three months.

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What I thought at the time was the smallest voice was Roy Orbison.

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Sam Phillips said he had to put the microphone down his throat to pick him up,

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but I think Sam had the wrong kind of microphone

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because his later records prove that he has not only got a great, strong voice,

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but he is one of the greatest singers in our business. He saw his own potential, as did others,

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and he moved to a bigger label and had bigger records.

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# Pretty woman, walkin' down the street

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# Pretty woman, the kind I like to meet

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# Pretty woman... #

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Searching for ways to fulfil that potential,

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Roy looked across the Atlantic to an early '60s music culture in Britain, ready to embrace something new.

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# Mercy... #

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In the early '60s, I worked for Decca

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as a promotion man, and my job,

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apart from promoting records, was to look after American artists in London. I was 21. It was a dream job.

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# Are you lonely just like me?

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# W-w-wow...

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# Pretty woman, stop awhile

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# Pretty woman... #

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Very American, southern, polite, and that was my initial impression of Roy.

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Very softly spoken, polite, appreciative. He was a gentleman.

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A real gentleman actually.

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It was that kind of rather sweet, southern states of America charm that he had.

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# Pretty paper

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# Pretty ribbons of blue

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# Wrap your presents

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# To your darling from you

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# Pretty pencils

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# To write... #

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He would invariably come with his wife Claudette and his boys.

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They'd have a little apartment.

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I would spend a lot of time with them as a family cos they were very family.

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And he loved having the boys around, he loved having Claudette around.

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And so I became part of their family.

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# Downtown shoppers

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# Christmas is nigh... #

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He always reminded me of like a preacher. He was so gentle.

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Very sweet. Loved his family. He was just a lovely guy.

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We were all mental. We were young and mad.

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Roy was a very polite American. He was very sweet.

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We were Scousers, hard cases, nutters. He was a gentleman.

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We were idolising Americans at this point.

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We had Cliff and we had Tommy Steele, but...

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We were just kids from Liverpool who knew nothing, following Roy Orbison, a massive star,

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whose songs we had sung for years. We were there with him - a dream!

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# Well, I got a woman mean as she can be

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# Some-a-times I think she's almost mean as me... #

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The Brits were so enamoured

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of American rock'n'roll.

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They possibly appreciated them more than the Americans did.

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The songs seemed more hip, the performances were more hip. That's what we were all about.

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I think any British recording artist from that period would probably tell you the same thing.

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# So ple-e-e-ease... #

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Though Britain was hungry for all things American,

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Roy's first UK tour would be an unexpected test of how loyal his British fans might be.

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An all-English musical phenomenon was sweeping the country and Roy had to share the bill with The Beatles.

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From what George told me,

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they were so starved of rock'n'roll and waited for records to come out.

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They knew this thing was going on in America, so it was just something that they were really hungry for.

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The Beatles responded to Roy with total admiration.

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I can't emphasise how much American artists were the thing to admire.

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And all things American.

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Before I joined The Stones, I thought he was fantastic.

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Then he toured with The Beatles in '63.

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The Beatles were on the tour with us - ourselves and Roy. Massive tour.

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1963 was a great time for me.

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It was my first record, first No.1

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and my first tour with Mr Roy Orbison who became a very dear friend.

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And such a lovely guy.

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# Well, I got a woman Yeah, I got a woman

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# Yeah, I got a woman... #

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George told me they followed Roy and they would stand in the wings listening to this big ending

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and they'd be just trembling, thinking, "How are we gonna go out and follow this?"

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APPLAUSE

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And his last note was 47 miles high in the sky. The kids went, "Whoa!"

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In spite of the fact that The Beatles were getting this huge acclaim

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from the British public,

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right from the word go really, from Love Me Do, it started...

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When Roy came on stage,

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he still had the goods to... top them.

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# Just before the dawn... #

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He just stood there...

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And sang. That's all he did. He didn't do anything else.

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I don't remember him putting one foot to the left or right.

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# I can't help it

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# I can't help it... #

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That was what the impact was.

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It was that he had the nerve... to do that.

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To just stand there and let his voice do the work.

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# It's too bad that all these things... #

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Some people just give off this aura. They don't have to move about.

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I've been trying to do it for 30 years, but it doesn't happen with me, so I stay in the shadows.

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# Only in dreams... #

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In my case, when you see me perform,

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what happens is that I sing and the audience watches me do that.

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# Some-a-times I think she's almost mean as me... #

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On opening night, I had between seven to 15, 20 encores.

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Paul and John grabbed me by the arms and said, "Yankee, go home!"

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They wouldn't let me take my last curtain call but it was in good fun.

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And that voice, my God! It used to annoy me, it was so good.

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# Each place we go

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# So afraid... #

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He'd sing Runnin' Scared and his mouth would go... # Just runnin' scared... #

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Like this, this tiny little movement of the mouth.

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And he'd get to the end of that song where it goes up and up and up and his mouth still wasn't moving!

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Not a lot. Not like, "I'm really gonna give it the full whack."

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He'd still stand there and his mouth would open slightly more.

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Then out would come this incredible note and I think that was what was so thrilling.

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His modesty, in combination with his vocal prowess, was quite something to see.

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# You loved him so... #

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He sounded different from what we'd ever heard before. Elvis didn't do that.

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And just a difference in sound that man made, that's why he was so popular.

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# If he came back

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# Which one would you choose? #

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I never had any formal training. I think maybe it's just that I might be a baritone

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with a real high range, two and a half octaves or so, but I never checked it.

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# His head in the air

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# Oh, my heart was breaking Which one would it be?

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# You turned around

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# And walked away with me. #

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I started singing this way because I was writing songs

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and I wrote the melody that I heard in my head

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and then I had to sing those notes as well. I didn't know how high or low you were supposed to go!

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# I could smile for a while... #

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when I tried to sing along with it, of course,

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it sounded like a wounded duck!

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Because of his range.

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And it was something to sing along with to learn how to sing.

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# ..couldn't tell

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# That I'd been cry-y-ying... #

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If you could sing along with it,

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you became aware of how to make your voice do things

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that we might not have understood.

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# Left me standing all alone Alone and crying... #

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There was something in Roy's voice

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that was completely unique to him,

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which was obviously a good thing because it was hard to emulate.

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It had a crying sound to it. It almost was like a controlled cry.

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His performance would just tear your heart out.

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He could...

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He could express all that emotion.

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And, uh...

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He was really different. Really different than anybody else.

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# I love you even more than I did before

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# But, darling, what can I do-o-o?

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# For you don't love me

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# And I'll always be

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# Cry-y-y-ying over you... #

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I think Roy's voice is like an opera voice, only sexy.

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Opera voices... To me they're not sexy because of the music they're singing.

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But Roy doing rock'n'roll and blues and blue notes, with that kind of opera voice,

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that made it really different and put an opera slant on a rock'n'roll track.

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It's wonderful and it's sad at the same time

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because that's the inflection he puts into the soulfulness of his voice.

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He's got marvellous soul. He was probably a soul singer before any of them.

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# Crying

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# O-o-o-o-o-o...

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..ver you-u-u! #

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Like Elvis said, "The best singer in the world right there, Roy Orbison."

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He was the best singer of all.

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# Golden days before they end... #

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Roy's entry into the British music scene had been a triumph

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with It's Over topping the UK charts in 1964,

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but personal tragedy would soon threaten to end Roy's career.

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In 1966, his wife Claudette was killed in a motorbike accident

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and there was even more heartbreak to come.

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He had this beautiful boy called Roy DeWayne. I used to take him to the zoo.

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I loved his company. He was a really sweet kid.

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I remember once I came back to the promotion offices, the Decca offices,

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and Roy DeWayne, I'd exhausted him.

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He must have been about six or seven. He wasn't a baby.

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And I'd had to carry him back to the office. He was so exhausted, he fell asleep.

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I remember his little head on my shoulder.

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# But, oh, what will you do? #

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And then he got... burnt to death in that fire.

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# We're through... #

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We'd been playing the Birmingham theatre for a week.

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It was September, '68.

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The following day we were going to do a last performance, a concert in Bournemouth.

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Then he was flying back to the US. That was the end of the tour.

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I got a call at 3am, local time in England.

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# Send falling stars that seem to cry... #

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He was on tour in England and got the news that his house had burned and he'd lost two of his boys.

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I remember thinking, "How is that...

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"..man gonna cope with that?"

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# It breaks your heart in two... #

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He stayed in seclusion for quite a while.

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We made contact and let him know we cared and were concerned

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and...it was a long time until I saw Roy

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because it wasn't something that he was wanting to talk about.

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To be quite honest, I really thought at that particular point in time that he...

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..that we would never see him again.

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He had not really worked since Claudette had died.

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However, I did get another call saying that he was coming back.

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To a large extent, Roy's return had been made possible by someone he had fallen in love with before the fire.

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We started dating and six weeks later the house fire happened in Hendersonville.

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I think it was such a gift for him to have fallen in love with me before,

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so he did have a focus. It gave him a chance to create a life that he really wanted

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and that was one of a real stable family and to have more kids.

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You know, Roy had just such an incredible gentle strength.

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He scaled the heights and the lows.

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# Lonely rivers sigh... #

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I arrived in December of '68

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in Tennessee.

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And then we travelled in America and we got married in March.

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We had Roy Kelton Junior, who was born in 1970, and Alex in '74,

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and we had Wesley from the marriage with Claudette.

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If you would have seen Roy with the kids, you'd never have suspected that he'd lost two kids

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in a house fire while he was touring in England.

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# Time goes by... #

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He came through it in a really great way, a very surprising way.

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He came back stronger than ever after this terrible loss of his two boys.

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He came back with all of the determination and the will

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to go ahead and be the great artist he is.

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INTRO TO "Pretty Woman"

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As the '70s dawned, a new-look Roy returned again and again to tour for his UK fans.

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And, of course, the Orbison family went, too.

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# Pretty woman walking down the street... #

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When it was tour time, we all went. Nannies, everybody just went... out on the road.

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Baby formulas, baby cribs, perambulators, whatever it took.

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You know?

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Mercy!

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We would be, tours or no tours, probably four or five months out of the year in London.

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We practically lived here in the '70s, and loved it.

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# Pretty woman

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# You look lovely as can be... #

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He loved England. He loved the British people. Something about them Roy liked.

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I think it was a love affair. Roy loved England.

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He loved everything about it.

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He loved the food - and that was tough to love in the '60s!

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He came up to my house in the Midlands

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and he brought with him,

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he showed me in his trunk. "Look what I've brought!"

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And he'd got, like, four sets of pie and mash.

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You know, for everybody. Brought from London.

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# Pretty woman, say you'll stay... #

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Roy, I think, just loved the English way of life.

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He would love to listen to accents, see places in Scotland, visit castles.

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And walk the hills. Nut case!

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We were in bed, he was walking the hills! He just loved Britain. And we loved him.

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# Pretty woman... #

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He was very real. He wasn't slick and he wasn't showbizzy.

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He didn't have a patter. He didn't... He wasn't a schmoozy kind of guy.

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Thank you.

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Thank you very much.

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I appreciate you coming tonight, very much. We're happy to be here. Hope you are.

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He was that same person, onstage and offstage.

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It was never about ego.

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You know, it was just about being himself.

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# Only the lonely

0:26:060:26:09

# Know the way I feel tonight... #

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It's inherent in the British nature

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to admire modesty,

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especially when it's accompanied with a great talent.

0:26:220:26:27

# There goes my baby... #

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He was a shy man,

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a family man, a quiet man.

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Who he was was just as much a part of everything as what he was singing.

0:26:380:26:46

# Know why-y-y

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# I cry... #

0:26:490:26:52

By the time we got married, all that was important was to have a great relationship

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and to live life

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and to sort of mend those incredible painful times

0:27:010:27:06

and to really enjoy life and do what he felt he was called on this earth for.

0:27:060:27:12

# Yeah, a woman.. #

0:27:140:27:17

He said, "For that I'll go anywhere. Smallest club, biggest arenas."

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THRASHING GUITARS

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Though Roy still had a loyal following, the mid-'70s saw a change in the British music scene.

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The rejection of the mainstream and the stripped-down instrumentation of punk rock seemed, at first glance,

0:27:460:27:52

to leave little room for The Big O.

0:27:520:27:55

# Pretty woman Won't you pardon me?

0:28:030:28:07

# Pretty woman I couldn't help but see

0:28:070:28:11

# Pretty woman, you look lovely... # See, I can't get up there!

0:28:110:28:16

When I was in the Sex Pistols, if you were a closet music fan, like myself,

0:28:160:28:22

there were loads of bands I'd have got hung for if it had gotten out that I liked them.

0:28:220:28:29

Would he come under that umbrella that it's old hat and you shouldn't be liking them?

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We were against all that nonsense.

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I don't think that is the case.

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I don't think he ever fell into that bag of being out of flavour.

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When I was growing up in the '70s, Roy was kind of an anachronism.

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He was completely out of kilter with the times and, em...

0:28:530:28:58

People I was hanging out with didn't have Roy Orbison albums. They just didn't.

0:28:580:29:04

He was from a different era.

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But then as the '70s begat punk rock,

0:29:070:29:13

there became an interest in the '50s.

0:29:130:29:18

I think punk rock was a '50s thing, in a way. A rebel without a cause.

0:29:200:29:27

The short haircuts, the stance of Elvis, stripping things down to the bone.

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So it was through the door that punk rock opens that Roy Orbison walks into my life.

0:29:330:29:40

You have to remember, Roy didn't get to be Roy Orbison by being... like anything but outside the norm.

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Those guys in Memphis, when they created rockabilly,

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they didn't create rockabilly by being the boy next door.

0:29:540:29:58

# Just running scared

0:29:580:30:03

# Feeling low... #

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Although he was right in there at the very beginning with Jerry Lee and Elvis,

0:30:070:30:13

I think because he was so unique, his particular type of singing,

0:30:130:30:19

he didn't really come in or out of fashion.

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And when rock'n'roll came to England, and then English music went back to America,

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Roy was sort of outside of that.

0:30:290:30:32

# If he came back

0:30:320:30:36

# Which one would you choose? #

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I think birds liked his music more than blokes. But he wasn't a pansy,

0:30:410:30:47

singing songs about being hurt by some bird and his feelings, you know?

0:30:470:30:52

# His head in the air

0:30:520:30:57

# My heart was breaking Which one... #

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It's not a sissy thing for a man to sing about emotions.

0:31:030:31:08

It's real. And I think everybody can relate to that.

0:31:080:31:13

He does it in such a way that is so open, he opens his heart completely.

0:31:130:31:18

Not being a wimp.

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I think that was the magnificent part about the singer and the songwriter Roy Orbison.

0:31:210:31:28

He turned something that could have been a weakness into a strength.

0:31:280:31:33

It was very unusual at the time. Since then, everybody's crying like a tart.

0:31:330:31:38

But in them days it was quite bold to say he cried.

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He was one of the first Top 40 artists

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to take away or veer off from the traditional way of saying things.

0:31:480:31:53

Which he did in those classic songs.

0:31:550:31:57

I had to write the songs that I wanted to sing because no one else really would at the time.

0:31:570:32:04

Then I thought since I wrote them I might sing them better than the next person. It goes like that.

0:32:040:32:11

What the style is is basically me and my personal taste.

0:32:110:32:16

Roy the singer, people talk about all the time. Everybody curtsies to the voice and so they should.

0:32:160:32:22

The thing people don't talk about enough, as far as I'm concerned,

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is how innovative this music was, how radical in terms of its songwriting.

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I don't think in terms of two verses and a chorus

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or the accepted method of songwriting. Wherever I want to go, that's where I go.

0:32:370:32:43

# In dreams I walk... #

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The classic pop structure is, you know, verse, chorus, verse, chorus,

0:32:490:32:54

middle eight, chorus, end. I mean most pop songs in the world are like that.

0:32:540:33:00

And then you hear In Dreams.

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# In dreams you're mine

0:33:040:33:09

# All of... #

0:33:090:33:11

I can't remember the structure, but it's like A, B, C, D, E, F, G! I mean, nothing repeats!

0:33:110:33:17

From those odd proportions comes the tension and from that comes the emotional impact

0:33:170:33:24

that takes you somewhere unexpected.

0:33:240:33:27

# But just before the dawn... #

0:33:270:33:32

He slowly built it from nothing and into this huge climax

0:33:350:33:39

and then it went into another part which was even better. That's what I liked about his songs.

0:33:390:33:45

# I can't help it I can't help it if I cry... #

0:33:450:33:52

And that's really hard to do as a songwriter.

0:33:520:33:58

The ability to just have the music flow with the storyline.

0:33:580:34:03

Very few people could do that.

0:34:060:34:09

# ..all these things Can only happen... #

0:34:090:34:15

What you end up with is a pop song that broke every rule.

0:34:150:34:19

And...and won.

0:34:190:34:22

It's like a classical composition.

0:34:220:34:25

# Only in dreams

0:34:250:34:33

# In beautiful dreams. #

0:34:340:34:43

I was at a classical concert one night

0:34:430:34:47

and this Schumann song started that was in the programme.

0:34:470:34:52

And I said, "This is the actual melody of a Roy Orbison song!"

0:34:520:34:57

# You know I can't help myself

0:34:570:35:02

# And now I'm crawling back... #

0:35:020:35:08

Roy's song goes... # Only you and you alone Can keep me crawling back

0:35:080:35:15

# After all you've done to me The way you've turned me down

0:35:150:35:21

# I still will be your clown Because I love you...

0:35:210:35:26

# I still will be your clown Because I love you... #

0:35:260:35:34

And the Schumann song goes... HUMS THE SAME MELODY

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It has a very similar shape, you know.

0:35:390:35:43

# You know I would die for you.. #

0:35:440:35:50

I suppose like anybody of his age, he could have turned on the radio and heard some gracious melodies.

0:35:500:35:57

It doesn't fit in with the other things about his music, as I understand it.

0:35:570:36:02

And those early records on Sun were of their time and good records, but they were rock'n'roll records

0:36:020:36:09

and at a certain point he started writing these ballads that are not like anything else.

0:36:090:36:16

# Crawling back to you... #

0:36:190:36:22

Roy was the real thing. In a time when very few people wrote their own material.

0:36:220:36:31

There was so much soul in that music and mystery.

0:36:310:36:35

And it was. It was mystery music.

0:36:350:36:39

They were very dramatic songs and he was kind of dramatic, too.

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He was very dark and always in black and the glasses.

0:36:430:36:47

# Wild hearts run out of time

0:36:470:36:51

# And you'll need a love like mine

0:36:520:36:56

# To show you hope is there... #

0:36:560:37:00

I never knew why he wore the shades. I think he thought he had weak eyes, or something.

0:37:000:37:06

# Wild hearts run out of time. #

0:37:060:37:09

I simply left my clear pair on the aeroplane when I toured with The Beatles in '63.

0:37:090:37:17

By the time the pictures came back and he'd played a couple of nights,

0:37:170:37:22

he never changed. He always wore sunglasses every night he played for the rest of his life.

0:37:220:37:28

# Don't let the bright lights burn you... #

0:37:280:37:32

Buddy Holly made it OK to wear prescription glasses onstage.

0:37:320:37:39

And then Roy made it cool to wear prescription sunglasses. They're still cool today.

0:37:390:37:46

# Wild hearts run out of time

0:37:470:37:51

# When you're up against the night... #

0:37:510:37:54

It's very common for people to wear dark glasses on TV now, but I can't remember anybody before him.

0:37:540:38:00

There was a reason why he did it, but it gave him a mysteriousness and they played that up quite a bit.

0:38:000:38:07

The image and music together, it went together.

0:38:070:38:11

Black sunglasses and mystery.

0:38:110:38:14

# You'll need a love like mine... #

0:38:140:38:16

There was certainly something dark and a little bit... It was menacing, in an odd sort of way.

0:38:160:38:23

# A candy-coloured clown they call the Sandman

0:38:230:38:28

# Tiptoes to my room every night... #

0:38:280:38:32

Roy's records suddenly started to appear in movies

0:38:320:38:36

in the early '80s. Most notably in Blue Velvet.

0:38:360:38:40

The shock of hearing a song like that in a different context, juxtaposed with this very dark scene,

0:38:400:38:47

it heightened what was already in there, this mysterious, slightly unsettling quality the songs have.

0:38:470:38:55

# I softly say

0:38:550:39:00

# A silent prayer... #

0:39:010:39:04

Things like Running Scared and In Dreams were so dense and evocative and dark and cinematic.

0:39:040:39:11

It just had a stranglehold on the dark side of life.

0:39:110:39:15

"Candy-coloured clown they call the Sandman". Where does that come from?

0:39:150:39:21

# In dreams I walk with you... #

0:39:210:39:26

I was thinking all along that it was Crying that would be in Blue Velvet

0:39:290:39:34

and I needed to get the record cos I heard it on the radio.

0:39:340:39:39

So I got Roy's Greatest Hits.

0:39:390:39:42

And...

0:39:420:39:44

So I put it on and I was going through it and In Dreams came up

0:39:440:39:50

and I completely forgot about Crying and In Dreams was just, you know, perfect.

0:39:500:39:56

# A candy-coloured clown they call the Sandman

0:39:580:40:02

# Tiptoes to my room every night

0:40:020:40:05

# Just to sprinkle stardust and to whisper, "Go to sleep..." #

0:40:050:40:11

Dennis Hopper was supposed to sing it and so I got him the music and told him to learn the lyrics

0:40:110:40:18

and practise. And I thought he was memorising it.

0:40:180:40:23

And, uh, Dean Stockwell is a good friend of Dennis's,

0:40:230:40:29

He said he would work with Dennis, so I pictured the two of them going and Dennis having it down.

0:40:290:40:35

And in the process, you know, Dennis had kind of...

0:40:350:40:41

burned himself pretty bad from his past living and wasn't able to memorise these things.

0:40:410:40:48

# ..of you

0:40:480:40:51

# In dreams I walk with you... #

0:40:510:40:56

But Dean memorised it, so when we started rehearsing the scene,

0:40:560:41:02

where the song was supposed to be, at a certain point

0:41:020:41:06

the two of them were sort of singing and Dennis just dropped out and was just watching Dean.

0:41:060:41:12

And Dean was letter perfect.

0:41:120:41:15

And it just was so obvious what was supposed to happen.

0:41:150:41:20

All right. Let's hit the road!

0:41:220:41:25

I heard rumours that after the film was released

0:41:250:41:30

Roy saw it and was upset about...

0:41:300:41:34

That song meant something to Roy and it didn't mean what it was in the film.

0:41:340:41:40

There was such a... sexual conflict going on in his songs.

0:41:400:41:47

They weren't about holding hands.

0:41:470:41:50

They were about... There was a grind to them.

0:41:500:41:54

There was a sweatiness, a longing, an anxiousness about them. They were basically songs about sex.

0:41:540:42:02

# It's too bad... #

0:42:020:42:06

Then he saw it again and changed his mind and appreciated it from a different point of view.

0:42:060:42:13

So by the time I met Roy, he was pretty happy about Blue Velvet.

0:42:130:42:21

# Only in dreams

0:42:210:42:28

# In beautiful dreams... #

0:42:290:42:37

I'd had David Lynch's soundtrack to Blue Velvet

0:42:370:42:41

and I had it on repeat. It was going round and round.

0:42:410:42:46

And it kept stopping, appropriately, on In Dreams.

0:42:460:42:50

I couldn't sleep and this song was going through my head.

0:42:500:42:54

When I woke up the next day, I had a song in my head, which I presumed was another Roy Orbison song.

0:42:540:43:00

I looked for it and couldn't find it.

0:43:000:43:03

Maybe...maybe I'd just written it!

0:43:030:43:07

So I took it down to the soundcheck and I played the tune to the rest of the band. They really liked it.

0:43:070:43:13

I said, "It's like a Roy Orbison song. Is it?"

0:43:130:43:17

They said, "Yeah, yeah." And we played the concert,

0:43:170:43:22

then after the show I was sitting with the guitar again, trying to finish the song.

0:43:220:43:28

They said, "You really are going on about this song." I said, "It's really in my head. Mystery Girl."

0:43:280:43:35

I was trying to finish it. And this sounds like horseshit, but there was a knock at the door

0:43:350:43:41

and John, our security guy, said, "There's Roy Orbison and his wife, Barbara, outside.

0:43:410:43:47

"Can I bring them in? They'd really like to meet you."

0:43:500:43:54

So the band looked at me like...

0:43:540:43:57

I'd either been winding them up or I had some voodoo in me.

0:43:570:44:02

My wife and kiddies had been to see U2,

0:44:020:44:06

and told me about them. I hadn't heard them or seen them.

0:44:060:44:11

I went to one of their concerts in London when I was there

0:44:110:44:15

with fresh ears and...

0:44:150:44:18

I wasn't expecting anything. I just went with an open mind.

0:44:200:44:24

He said in his very quiet voice, "Really liked the show. Can't tell you why I liked it, but I did.

0:44:240:44:32

"You wouldn't have a song for me? Or shall we write a song together? I'm just into what you're doing."

0:44:320:44:39

So everyone's falling round. No one could quite believe their ears.

0:44:390:44:44

And I played him there and then this song, She's A Mystery To Me.

0:44:440:44:49

In 1988, Roy was working on his album Mystery Girl with producer Jeff Lynne,

0:44:510:44:57

who had also worked with George Harrison. During long hours in the studio, George and Jeff often talked

0:44:570:45:03

about the line-up of their dream group. As Lefty Wilbury, Roy Orbison was about to become

0:45:030:45:09

the ultimate musician's musician.

0:45:090:45:12

When George and Jeff were in the studio working together

0:45:130:45:18

they sometimes had this thing, "We could have a band."

0:45:180:45:23

George would say, "We should have a group." I'd go, "Yeah, that'd be good. Let's have a group."

0:45:230:45:30

And it was, literally, "Who do you want in it?" I said, "I'd love Roy Orbison."

0:45:300:45:36

He said, "I want Bob Dylan in it." And it was just like that, like a pair of schoolkids.

0:45:360:45:42

It wasn't a contrived thing that happened. They weren't out to make a band.

0:45:420:45:48

It just happened. One event led to another.

0:45:480:45:52

I was working with Tom at the time and George knew Tom by then.

0:45:520:45:57

We said, "Let's have Tom!" All that remained was for George to ask them to be in it.

0:45:570:46:02

They all did. The one we had to convince last was Roy.

0:46:020:46:07

We went to see Roy in concert out in Anaheim somewhere. We all piled in a car.

0:46:070:46:13

# Don't relax I want elbows and backs I wanna see everybody from behind

0:46:130:46:21

# Cos you're working for the man... #

0:46:210:46:25

It was a brilliant show. All the people were going mad.

0:46:250:46:30

We were all going mad. Like, "Yeah! Give it some!"

0:46:300:46:34

And George was so keen. It was exciting. It was the first time I'd ever seen Roy perform.

0:46:340:46:40

We went back and George said to him, "Do you wanna be in our group?"

0:46:400:46:45

It was kinda like a proposal. I think George even got down on his knee!

0:46:450:46:51

And he sort of went, "Yeah, I suppose. I suppose so. Yeah."

0:46:510:46:56

And he offered to join there and then. So he was in the Traveling Wilburys then,

0:46:560:47:03

from that moment.

0:47:030:47:06

# Reputation's changeable

0:47:070:47:11

# Situation's tolerable

0:47:110:47:14

# But, baby, you're adorable

0:47:160:47:19

# Handle me with care

0:47:190:47:23

# I'm so tired of being lonely

0:47:230:47:28

# I still have some love to give

0:47:280:47:32

# Won't you show me that you really care?

0:47:320:47:38

# Everybody's got somebody to lean on... #

0:47:390:47:47

Sometimes we sing the same song just to see who sounded good. That was a lot of fun.

0:47:470:47:54

And George would kind of audition us, which was really intimidating

0:47:540:47:58

because Roy Orbison would sing the song and then they'd send you out to sing it.

0:47:580:48:04

Damn! That's really intimidating.

0:48:040:48:06

# Last night

0:48:060:48:09

# Thinking 'bout last night... #

0:48:100:48:12

They had a lot of fun, but they didn't goof around. It wasn't just one big party.

0:48:120:48:19

They were working.

0:48:190:48:22

There wasn't a lot of deciding what to do, not a lot of time spent planning out anything.

0:48:220:48:29

We just wrote the best songs we could write and sang them as best we could.

0:48:290:48:34

-She was long and tall.

-Or short and fat.

0:48:350:48:39

-She was dressed to kill.

-That's good.

-She was out to give me a thrill.

0:48:390:48:44

Whichever way I looked around there was some conspiracy!

0:48:470:48:52

'And he was funny. That was the thing George enjoyed about him the most.'

0:48:520:48:59

He seemed to be a tragic figure or there was tragedy attached or projected to Roy,

0:48:590:49:05

but in reality he was very funny and...

0:49:050:49:10

and that was the sort of secret Roy that he loved to be around.

0:49:100:49:15

Sometimes Roy would have George and the guys in hysterics.

0:49:150:49:20

He loved Monty Python. That was his favourite comedy stuff

0:49:200:49:25

and he could do all the sketches on his own.

0:49:250:49:28

He had a slightly southern lilt and yet he would recite lines from Monty Python.

0:49:280:49:36

He'd break into a sketch of one of Python's routines, playing all the parts,

0:49:360:49:42

and end up giggling like a maniac and we'd all start giggling.

0:49:420:49:47

# I'm so tired of being lonely... #

0:49:470:49:50

He was surrounded by all the friends he really loved

0:49:500:49:55

and they really loved him. The basis of the Wilbury record was lots of laughter

0:49:550:50:01

and just lots of fun and incredible creativity.

0:50:010:50:05

# Every time I look into your lovely eyes... #

0:50:050:50:11

And so it came towards '88, Thanksgiving,

0:50:130:50:18

and we had all decided that we would go to George and Olivia's house in England

0:50:180:50:23

and spend Thanksgiving with them.

0:50:230:50:26

# I drift away

0:50:260:50:29

# I pray that you... #

0:50:300:50:33

Roy and I got stuck in Paris and never made it.

0:50:330:50:38

And Roy flew back to America because he had to fulfil two shows he had booked in Boston

0:50:380:50:45

and in Ohio. And those shows were like long-time booked.

0:50:450:50:51

# Baby... #

0:50:510:50:54

And I decided to stay in Europe.

0:50:550:50:58

# Every time I hold you I begin to understand... #

0:50:580:51:03

The last thing I heard from Roy was a message on my answer phone

0:51:030:51:08

saying, "Hey, Jeff, sorry I couldn't see you this trip, but I'm all Wilburied out."

0:51:080:51:14

He was really tired from doing all the interviews and he had his own album coming out.

0:51:140:51:20

He said, "I'll see you when I get back over in a few weeks."

0:51:200:51:24

# No one can do the things you do... #

0:51:240:51:31

I got a call one night from Roy that basically said

0:51:310:51:36

he had given in to come back to England. George had asked over and over for a second Wilbury video.

0:51:360:51:44

And I said, "Are you really sure?"

0:51:440:51:47

He said, "When I get off that plane, I know your smiling green eyes will be waiting for me.

0:51:470:51:53

"For that I will do anything."

0:51:530:51:56

So that was the last time I ever talked with him.

0:51:560:52:00

# Pretty ribbons of blue... #

0:52:000:52:04

The next thing, there was a phone call, a terrible phone call.

0:52:050:52:10

I picked the phone up at 6am.

0:52:100:52:13

# Pretty pencils to write... #

0:52:130:52:17

The phone call that you always dread getting

0:52:170:52:20

was one of those early morning phone calls to say Roy had died.

0:52:200:52:25

# Pretty ribbons of blue. #

0:52:250:52:30

Roy Orbison, one of the first and greatest rock performers,

0:52:310:52:35

has died from a heart attack. He was 52. In his prime, he topped bills above The Beatles

0:52:350:52:41

and this year was in the charts again in a supergroup with George Harrison and Bob Dylan.

0:52:410:52:46

Roy would have liked us to have continued to do The End of The Line. It's a very optimistic song.

0:52:460:52:52

We love Roy and life flows on within you and without you.

0:52:520:52:57

He's around, you know, in his astral body.

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# Maybe somewhere down the road when somebody plays... # We played it like he was there.

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We'd all look at the armchair and there would be Lefty and it was just his guitar.

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# Well, it's all right If you got someone to love

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# Well, it's all right Everything will work out fine... #

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If Roy had been giving you the interview today, and you asked him about his songs,

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what was his best song ever, he'd have said, "I haven't written it yet."

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# I'm just glad to be here Happy to be alive... #

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The artists today that have come along in the last 20 years

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probably don't remember the Wilburys in '88 had a number one album.

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# It's all right Even if you're old and grey... #

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My favourite Roy Orbison song has got to be Crying.

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It's something I want to put on

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when I'm feeling bad about something, some heartache.

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He just touches me with his voice.

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# I thought that I was over you... #

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One of the things I like about his songwriting and his lyrics

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is that I think, ultimately,

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he's letting his guard down.

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All his songs, I think... I'd be made up to write any song like that.

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But it would have to be my favourite, Crying. I'd love to have written that song. Amazing.

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# For you don't love me... #

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That made a lot of sense to me, writing songs. Let your personality out.

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That's been quite a strong influence on myself.

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# Crying over you... #

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I'm totally amazed that so many artists today

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still use Roy as their inspiration.

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Well, I guess...

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Rarrrr!

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# Pretty woman, stop a while

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# Pretty woman, talk a while... #

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The way he was and the way he sang made him dead cool.

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He was cool, all right. He was very cool.

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My lasting memory of Roy will be him walking down the stairs coming to dinner.

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All of us were already down.

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So looking at Roy in his black shirt, black trousers and his dark glasses.

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We all watched Roy coming down the staircase.

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It was like, "Wow!" You know, The Big O.

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# Only the lonely

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# Know the way I feel... #

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At the very end, when he was asked how he wanted to be remembered,

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he paused for a minute and he said,

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"Hm. I just would like to be remembered."

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# There goes my baby

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# There goes my heart... #

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Rock'n'roll has this image

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of...of rebel music.

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And, er...

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And in some sort of juvenile quarters, in which I'd include myself,

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we often... that's often a licence for rudeness.

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You know? Or egocentric behaviour, you know?

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But actually the real rebels to me always had manners.

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This man who had written such extraordinary songs

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and a real innovator in popular music,

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and, you know, truly a great, great singer,

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would be, you know, humble.

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# I'm going back some day Gonna stay on Blue Bayou... #

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I will always try to do the same, but I doubt

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if I could match his courteous self.

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# Ah, that girl of mine by my side

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# Silver moon and the evening tide... #

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A simple guy who had incredible talent who just worked at his craft.

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If I even get remotely close to his legacy, I'd be a happy guy.

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# ..happen in my dreams

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# Only in dreams

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# In beautiful dreams.

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# Still missing you California Blue

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# Still missing you

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# California Blue

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# Still missing you

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# California Blue! #

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