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# Sometimes it's hard to be a woman | 0:00:02 | 0:00:07 | |
# Giving all your love to just one man... # | 0:00:09 | 0:00:15 | |
MAN: There were times when she would be overwhelmed by feelings. | 0:00:15 | 0:00:18 | |
# You'll have bad times... # | 0:00:18 | 0:00:20 | |
She'd stand there like a statue and you'd know something was happening in the depths of her. | 0:00:20 | 0:00:26 | |
Sometimes she would back away from the microphone and couldn't continue. | 0:00:26 | 0:00:31 | |
# I'll need time... # | 0:00:31 | 0:00:33 | |
This was a person of very deep feeling. | 0:00:33 | 0:00:36 | |
# ..To get you off my mind... # | 0:00:36 | 0:00:39 | |
I remember seeing her teetering on a stool with the high heels | 0:00:39 | 0:00:43 | |
and this totally manufactured, plastic, peroxide image | 0:00:43 | 0:00:47 | |
poured out of the Barbie mould. | 0:00:47 | 0:00:49 | |
# ..Asked too much of you from time to time... # | 0:00:49 | 0:00:52 | |
And then this voice, this amazing voice that came out over the top of it. A mass of contradictions. | 0:00:52 | 0:00:58 | |
# I don't want to play possum... # | 0:00:58 | 0:01:00 | |
As a singer she was pretty genius | 0:01:00 | 0:01:03 | |
and could sing really loud and forcefully and still be vulnerable. | 0:01:03 | 0:01:06 | |
# Cos when she played house... # | 0:01:08 | 0:01:10 | |
Tammy never knew she was a star. | 0:01:10 | 0:01:13 | |
-No, she didn't. She really didn't. -She never knew she was a star. | 0:01:13 | 0:01:16 | |
Tammy kept her beautician's licence | 0:01:16 | 0:01:19 | |
because she had in the back of her mind that his career could end | 0:01:19 | 0:01:23 | |
and she might have to go back to working on people's hair. | 0:01:23 | 0:01:26 | |
# Our D-I-V-O-R-C-E... # | 0:01:26 | 0:01:31 | |
She had the beauty, the talent. She sang like a bird. | 0:01:31 | 0:01:35 | |
There's nobody greater. | 0:01:35 | 0:01:37 | |
I just felt kinda sorry for her. | 0:01:37 | 0:01:39 | |
PARKINSON: You've been married five times. That's extraordinary. | 0:01:39 | 0:01:43 | |
-I'm a firm believer in marriage. -You obviously are! | 0:01:43 | 0:01:46 | |
I wanted her to find happiness. | 0:01:46 | 0:01:49 | |
If it meant her being married ten times, that was fine. | 0:01:49 | 0:01:53 | |
# Stand by your man... # | 0:01:53 | 0:01:56 | |
Stand By Your Man was a reflection of Tammy's background. | 0:01:56 | 0:02:00 | |
Most everybody's background in that period. | 0:02:00 | 0:02:02 | |
Maybe that was why it caused such a controversy | 0:02:02 | 0:02:06 | |
because women were rebelling against that attitude. | 0:02:06 | 0:02:09 | |
It was such a powerful song. | 0:02:09 | 0:02:11 | |
# Stand by your man... # | 0:02:11 | 0:02:14 | |
But it was saying everything that I wanted to smack her in the teeth for. | 0:02:14 | 0:02:18 | |
# And show the world you love him... # | 0:02:18 | 0:02:20 | |
She's not the victim. She's singing this as total heroine. | 0:02:20 | 0:02:23 | |
And it's that contradiction | 0:02:23 | 0:02:25 | |
that makes that record... one of the best records ever made. | 0:02:25 | 0:02:31 | |
# Keep giving all the love you can... # | 0:02:31 | 0:02:38 | |
She literally walked through hell to become Tammy Wynette. | 0:02:38 | 0:02:42 | |
# Stand by your man. # | 0:02:42 | 0:02:48 | |
Tammy was born Virginia Wynette Pugh | 0:02:55 | 0:02:59 | |
on a farm in Mississippi during World War II. | 0:02:59 | 0:03:01 | |
Her grandfather owned a lot of farmland. | 0:03:02 | 0:03:06 | |
She was a lot better off than some of her friends | 0:03:06 | 0:03:09 | |
but I'm sure it was very difficult. | 0:03:09 | 0:03:11 | |
In the forties and fifties, that was a tough time. | 0:03:12 | 0:03:16 | |
There's a lot of land here. | 0:03:18 | 0:03:20 | |
I don't know how many acres, but there's a lot of land here, | 0:03:20 | 0:03:24 | |
and it was all in cotton and corn. | 0:03:24 | 0:03:26 | |
She wasn't too proud of it sometimes but she did pick. | 0:03:26 | 0:03:30 | |
Her father died of a brain tumour when she was nine months old. | 0:03:32 | 0:03:36 | |
He was 26. | 0:03:36 | 0:03:38 | |
Tammy's father was a real musician | 0:03:40 | 0:03:42 | |
and he never had a music lesson in his life, that was natural. | 0:03:42 | 0:03:46 | |
This was the living room. Tammy bought 'em two chandeliers. | 0:03:49 | 0:03:54 | |
I wouldn't have thought about them being there now. Kinda shocked me. | 0:03:54 | 0:03:58 | |
But it's been a long time, hasn't it? | 0:03:58 | 0:04:01 | |
It makes me want to get in there. But I'm sure this door... | 0:04:02 | 0:04:06 | |
Oh! Come in. | 0:04:06 | 0:04:08 | |
I still have his guitar, his mandolin. | 0:04:43 | 0:04:47 | |
This piano. | 0:04:47 | 0:04:49 | |
This piano is...where he sat, two weeks before he died, | 0:04:49 | 0:04:52 | |
he was blind and placed my hands on the keys | 0:04:52 | 0:04:54 | |
and said, "If she has any talent, see that she has lessons." | 0:04:54 | 0:04:58 | |
Her father's death had a major role on her as an adult. | 0:05:11 | 0:05:16 | |
I believe that that's why she... you know, went from the men to men that she did. | 0:05:18 | 0:05:24 | |
I don't think she ever found the happiness that she wanted. | 0:05:24 | 0:05:28 | |
She was always looking for that... | 0:05:28 | 0:05:32 | |
support that she probably, you know, would have gotten from her father | 0:05:32 | 0:05:36 | |
but never had the opportunity. | 0:05:36 | 0:05:38 | |
SHE SOBS | 0:05:40 | 0:05:42 | |
I guess the same old station isn't there any more. | 0:05:42 | 0:05:45 | |
After her father's death, her mother Mildred went off to Memphis | 0:05:52 | 0:05:57 | |
to work in a munitions factory. | 0:05:57 | 0:05:59 | |
Wynette stayed on the farm with her grandparents. | 0:06:01 | 0:06:05 | |
As her father had wished, her mother paid for piano lessons. | 0:06:09 | 0:06:14 | |
The man that taught the lessons said, "Hazel, we're wasting her money." And I said, "Why?" | 0:06:14 | 0:06:19 | |
And he said, "Because I can play her a song one time and she can play it before she leaves me." | 0:06:19 | 0:06:26 | |
She was just a musician like her daddy. | 0:06:26 | 0:06:28 | |
GOSPEL SINGING | 0:06:28 | 0:06:30 | |
# I'll fly away, fly away | 0:06:30 | 0:06:32 | |
# When I die, hallelujah | 0:06:32 | 0:06:35 | |
# By and by | 0:06:35 | 0:06:37 | |
# I'll fly away, fly away. # | 0:06:37 | 0:06:40 | |
Wynette used to sing in church. | 0:06:44 | 0:06:46 | |
The Baptist preacher had a radio show and she got to sing on it. | 0:06:46 | 0:06:51 | |
# To a land where joy will never end | 0:06:51 | 0:06:55 | |
# I'll fly away, fly away... # | 0:06:55 | 0:06:59 | |
By the time she was a teenager, her mother had moved back to the farm. | 0:06:59 | 0:07:03 | |
She was a really rumbustious child. | 0:07:03 | 0:07:07 | |
I think my grandmother had her hands full. | 0:07:07 | 0:07:11 | |
# I'll fly away, fly away. # | 0:07:11 | 0:07:14 | |
My grandmother was a very, very tough woman. | 0:07:15 | 0:07:18 | |
As we were growing up, | 0:07:18 | 0:07:20 | |
we were petrified of her, because she was so... | 0:07:20 | 0:07:24 | |
You know, she could be very...strong. | 0:07:24 | 0:07:26 | |
I think it was very difficult because they were two strong-willed women. I think they kinda butted heads. | 0:07:26 | 0:07:33 | |
They really clashed when she got together with Euple Byrd. | 0:07:33 | 0:07:37 | |
They got into a big fight about her dating Euple, who was an older man. | 0:07:40 | 0:07:43 | |
He'd been in the army, so that made him seem dangerous. | 0:07:43 | 0:07:47 | |
Mum got married to get away from my grandmother. | 0:07:51 | 0:07:55 | |
At 17, Wynette left school to marry | 0:08:00 | 0:08:02 | |
and had her first child six months later. | 0:08:02 | 0:08:05 | |
Now she really was poor. | 0:08:05 | 0:08:08 | |
She lived in a house that was, you know, no running water and no heat. | 0:08:08 | 0:08:13 | |
She realised, "I might've had it really good where I was," | 0:08:13 | 0:08:18 | |
but she was so determined to do what she wanted to do. | 0:08:18 | 0:08:21 | |
In 1962, she had her second daughter, Jackie. | 0:08:21 | 0:08:26 | |
When my mum was married to my dad, | 0:08:26 | 0:08:28 | |
he would just take whatever job he could find. I think he and my mum fought quite a bit. | 0:08:28 | 0:08:34 | |
Um...we weren't living in the best of conditions. | 0:08:34 | 0:08:37 | |
To make ends meet, she started training as a beautician. | 0:08:40 | 0:08:45 | |
In 1963, they moved to Memphis. | 0:08:49 | 0:08:52 | |
They rented an apartment in a seedy part of town. Wynette got a job as a barmaid. | 0:08:57 | 0:09:02 | |
She had never even been inside a bar | 0:09:05 | 0:09:08 | |
because she was raised by people who did not drink at all. | 0:09:08 | 0:09:11 | |
It was against their religion. The couple who owned this place | 0:09:11 | 0:09:14 | |
allowed her to sing for the customers, | 0:09:14 | 0:09:17 | |
which is the first time she'd sung anywhere except in church. | 0:09:17 | 0:09:20 | |
PIANO INTRO | 0:09:20 | 0:09:23 | |
# When the sky turns to silver | 0:09:26 | 0:09:31 | |
# Just before dark | 0:09:31 | 0:09:35 | |
# And the night comes to haunt me again | 0:09:35 | 0:09:41 | |
# When gone is the memory | 0:09:43 | 0:09:46 | |
# Of a sadness like mine | 0:09:46 | 0:09:49 | |
# Sing me a lonesome song... # | 0:09:49 | 0:09:56 | |
For the first time, she thought she might make it as a singer. | 0:09:56 | 0:10:01 | |
Her marriage was dead | 0:10:03 | 0:10:05 | |
but she was pregnant again. She threatened to divorce. | 0:10:05 | 0:10:09 | |
It was all too much for her. | 0:10:10 | 0:10:13 | |
She thought she saw a dead man in the attic. | 0:10:13 | 0:10:16 | |
She grabbed the children and drove round for hours. | 0:10:16 | 0:10:19 | |
She had a breakdown, was hospitalised | 0:10:19 | 0:10:21 | |
and given 12 rounds of shock treatment. | 0:10:21 | 0:10:24 | |
But she still insisted she wanted a divorce. | 0:10:28 | 0:10:31 | |
She said, "I've left him." | 0:10:31 | 0:10:33 | |
I said, "Oh, honey, you've not done that, expecting that baby?" | 0:10:33 | 0:10:37 | |
"Yes, I have and don't you try to talk me out of it." | 0:10:37 | 0:10:40 | |
I said, "Have you got any money?" She said, "I don't have any money." | 0:10:40 | 0:10:44 | |
I gave her 5 and I begged her to let me come get her mother | 0:10:44 | 0:10:49 | |
and she wouldn't do it. She said, "She'll stop me." | 0:10:49 | 0:10:52 | |
She made it to Birmingham. The baby she was expecting was premature | 0:10:55 | 0:11:00 | |
and nearly died. | 0:11:00 | 0:11:02 | |
All of us was worried to death about Tammy. | 0:11:02 | 0:11:06 | |
She was up there, a country girl, and didn't know - like me - nothing. | 0:11:06 | 0:11:10 | |
And... She made it, though! | 0:11:10 | 0:11:12 | |
She might be lazy in the cotton field | 0:11:12 | 0:11:15 | |
but otherwise she was industrious. | 0:11:15 | 0:11:17 | |
Wynette knew what she wanted. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:19 | |
She didn't really feel like she had a choice. | 0:11:20 | 0:11:23 | |
It's sort of like a calling... | 0:11:23 | 0:11:26 | |
or God-given drive to... | 0:11:26 | 0:11:29 | |
to fulfil your talent. | 0:11:29 | 0:11:30 | |
And Tammy was an exceptionally talented woman. | 0:11:30 | 0:11:34 | |
To want a career in the limelight... | 0:11:39 | 0:11:42 | |
in addition to talent, you have to have a certain need. | 0:11:42 | 0:11:46 | |
She was poorer than most of the audience, even. | 0:11:46 | 0:11:51 | |
And that need, | 0:11:51 | 0:11:52 | |
that want, that... | 0:11:52 | 0:11:55 | |
yearning...to be somebody | 0:11:55 | 0:11:59 | |
is something that you have to have burning inside of you to make it. | 0:11:59 | 0:12:04 | |
She auditioned for a local TV programme. | 0:12:08 | 0:12:11 | |
I guess it was about 4.30 in the morning. We used to go on the air at five. | 0:12:11 | 0:12:16 | |
We were in the coffee shop drinking coffee | 0:12:16 | 0:12:19 | |
and Tammy came in | 0:12:19 | 0:12:21 | |
and wanted to audition for the show. | 0:12:21 | 0:12:24 | |
So I said, "Sure." | 0:12:24 | 0:12:25 | |
I got my guitar and she sang me some songs. | 0:12:25 | 0:12:29 | |
I said, "My goodness, you'll be welcome to be on from now on." She was terrific. | 0:12:29 | 0:12:34 | |
This is the aisle that she walked. | 0:12:34 | 0:12:37 | |
She'd be singing a song as she came down the hall. | 0:12:37 | 0:12:41 | |
# Your hand is like a torch | 0:12:42 | 0:12:48 | |
# Each time you touch me... # | 0:12:48 | 0:12:53 | |
You knew she was a great singer from the first time you heard her. | 0:12:53 | 0:12:57 | |
Her voice was classic country | 0:12:57 | 0:12:59 | |
and she sang the greatest songs in the repertoire of country music. | 0:12:59 | 0:13:03 | |
Jeannie Seely's song "Don't Touch Me", she used to sing | 0:13:03 | 0:13:06 | |
and it just grabbed you by the throat. It was bone-chilling. | 0:13:06 | 0:13:10 | |
# ..The door to heaven... # | 0:13:10 | 0:13:13 | |
It's one of the sexiest voices in the world as well, because... | 0:13:13 | 0:13:18 | |
it's both strong and it's vulnerable. | 0:13:18 | 0:13:21 | |
# Oh, don't touch me | 0:13:21 | 0:13:24 | |
# If you don't love me sweetheart. # | 0:13:24 | 0:13:28 | |
You could tell people loved her because we'd get 200, 300 letters a day | 0:13:28 | 0:13:32 | |
saying, "Let that girl sing more." | 0:13:32 | 0:13:35 | |
# Your kiss is like a drink | 0:13:35 | 0:13:38 | |
# When I'm thirsty... # | 0:13:38 | 0:13:42 | |
At seven o'clock, she'd go to work in the beauty shop. | 0:13:42 | 0:13:46 | |
"I gotta get going," she'd say. | 0:13:46 | 0:13:49 | |
# ..For you | 0:13:49 | 0:13:52 | |
# With all my heart... # | 0:13:52 | 0:13:55 | |
She was living in a little house near the steel industry. | 0:13:55 | 0:13:59 | |
That something so beautiful could emerge from that house every day | 0:13:59 | 0:14:02 | |
and show itself to the world was overwhelming. | 0:14:02 | 0:14:05 | |
The song that she wrote, "Matrimony", it was so heartfelt. | 0:14:05 | 0:14:10 | |
# You can't tell me how it feels to sit alone most all your life | 0:14:10 | 0:14:15 | |
# You can't tell me how it feels to be a lost and lonely wife... # | 0:14:15 | 0:14:21 | |
That line "how it feels to be a lost and lonely wife", | 0:14:23 | 0:14:27 | |
she had to stop recording and do it again. She couldn't go on. | 0:14:27 | 0:14:30 | |
I don't think she'd ever said these words aloud. | 0:14:30 | 0:14:33 | |
It was like they were tearing her apart. | 0:14:35 | 0:14:38 | |
# You can't tell me how it feels to sit alone most all your life | 0:14:41 | 0:14:46 | |
# You can't tell me how it feels to be a lost and lonely wife | 0:14:46 | 0:14:51 | |
# You can't tell me how it makes you feel to know you've done your best | 0:14:51 | 0:14:56 | |
# That after all the grades are in you finally failed the test | 0:14:56 | 0:15:01 | |
# You've heard that old, old saying better once than not at all | 0:15:01 | 0:15:06 | |
# And that everyone should choose their destiny | 0:15:06 | 0:15:10 | |
# If you head for that thing called matrimony | 0:15:10 | 0:15:15 | |
# Oh, I hope you'll have much better luck than me. # | 0:15:15 | 0:15:21 | |
She certainly made love and marriage sound like a battlefield. | 0:15:21 | 0:15:25 | |
One night, we played in a piano bar. | 0:15:29 | 0:15:33 | |
People sat around the piano and she sat on a stool beside me | 0:15:33 | 0:15:37 | |
and...the drunks wanted her to lead them in singing "We All Live In A Yellow Submarine", | 0:15:37 | 0:15:43 | |
which she hated. | 0:15:43 | 0:15:45 | |
She did it, but she turned to me and said, "Why do they have to be so close? I'm frightened." | 0:15:45 | 0:15:52 | |
She was afraid of the public. | 0:15:55 | 0:15:58 | |
Us girls had talked. We all believe that Mum had depression. | 0:15:58 | 0:16:01 | |
It just escalated through the years. | 0:16:03 | 0:16:06 | |
She felt she was doing whatever she had to do to take care of her family | 0:16:06 | 0:16:10 | |
and then this hit her and it kinda set her back. | 0:16:10 | 0:16:15 | |
She told me about a lot of her fears as being inside her body | 0:16:15 | 0:16:18 | |
and maybe she could go to a surgeon and have it cut out. | 0:16:18 | 0:16:22 | |
And I said, "What's so frightening to you?" | 0:16:22 | 0:16:25 | |
She just bit her lip and said, "I don't know, David." | 0:16:25 | 0:16:27 | |
Fearful but forceful, she was on her way. | 0:16:27 | 0:16:31 | |
On days off from the salon, she'd drive to Nashville and trek round record labels looking for a deal. | 0:16:38 | 0:16:44 | |
I remember going round to the record companies. | 0:16:44 | 0:16:47 | |
I remember her being so disappointed. | 0:16:47 | 0:16:50 | |
She'd say, "I hear what's on the radio and I can do better than that." | 0:16:50 | 0:16:55 | |
She believed if the right people heard her, they'd instantly want to record her. | 0:16:55 | 0:17:00 | |
Rejections came thick and fast. | 0:17:00 | 0:17:02 | |
In those days, if a producer had one girl singer, he didn't want two. | 0:17:02 | 0:17:07 | |
They were the opening act on the men's shows still. | 0:17:09 | 0:17:13 | |
Just because you had a good voice or just because you could write, | 0:17:13 | 0:17:18 | |
that didn't mean Nashville had open arms for you if you were a woman. | 0:17:18 | 0:17:21 | |
For a woman back then it was more difficult than it was for a man. | 0:17:21 | 0:17:25 | |
She'd never done anything like that before, so she was kind of raw. | 0:17:25 | 0:17:29 | |
Seven major labels turned her down. | 0:17:31 | 0:17:34 | |
Nashville's a tough town. You have to be a bit of a Scarlett O'Hara | 0:17:34 | 0:17:38 | |
to survive in the Southern hemisphere | 0:17:38 | 0:17:41 | |
because there still is that Southern mentality about women. | 0:17:41 | 0:17:44 | |
In 1966, still with no contract, | 0:17:49 | 0:17:51 | |
she moved to Nashville, with three kids under five in tow. | 0:17:51 | 0:17:56 | |
She was 23. | 0:17:58 | 0:18:00 | |
She met an aspiring singer-songwriter called Don Chapel. | 0:18:01 | 0:18:05 | |
Before long, she would marry him. | 0:18:05 | 0:18:08 | |
They would come over to the Billboard Hotel to pitch songs. | 0:18:08 | 0:18:12 | |
And Tammy, bless her heart, she was just like a little wallflower. | 0:18:12 | 0:18:16 | |
She was kind of homely looking | 0:18:16 | 0:18:18 | |
and real shy. | 0:18:18 | 0:18:20 | |
First time I heard her sing, I said, "There's a star." | 0:18:20 | 0:18:23 | |
If somebody would work with her. | 0:18:23 | 0:18:25 | |
And...a person did. | 0:18:25 | 0:18:29 | |
Somebody said that she should go and see Billy Sherrill. | 0:18:29 | 0:18:32 | |
She knocked on the door and this voice said, "Come on in." | 0:18:32 | 0:18:36 | |
She said she wanted him to hear her voice. | 0:18:36 | 0:18:39 | |
# You can't tell me how it feels to be alone most every night | 0:18:39 | 0:18:44 | |
# You can't tell me how it feels... # | 0:18:44 | 0:18:46 | |
When it was over, he said, "That's a pretty good song but that's not what I'm looking for. | 0:18:46 | 0:18:51 | |
"If you could find me the right kind of song, I'll record you." | 0:18:51 | 0:18:54 | |
Two weeks later, she called him. | 0:18:54 | 0:18:57 | |
He said, "Come on in, I think I've just found something." | 0:18:57 | 0:19:00 | |
# Just follow the stairway | 0:19:00 | 0:19:04 | |
# To this lonely world of mine | 0:19:04 | 0:19:09 | |
# You'll find me waitin' here | 0:19:12 | 0:19:17 | |
# In apartment number nine... # | 0:19:18 | 0:19:22 | |
My first memory of Tammy was on an early morning TV show | 0:19:24 | 0:19:29 | |
here in Nashville. | 0:19:29 | 0:19:31 | |
And she had just left beauty school and I was a cosmetologist as well, | 0:19:31 | 0:19:36 | |
so we had that in common. | 0:19:36 | 0:19:38 | |
She had this fake ponytail like Dolly had | 0:19:38 | 0:19:41 | |
and I thought, "That's a pretty woman." | 0:19:41 | 0:19:44 | |
She was singing that first hit of hers "Apartment Number Nine". | 0:19:44 | 0:19:48 | |
And I thought, "Wow! She's real different." | 0:19:48 | 0:19:51 | |
# Not so very long ago | 0:19:51 | 0:19:56 | |
# You walked away from me | 0:19:56 | 0:20:01 | |
# And after all the plans we made | 0:20:03 | 0:20:09 | |
# You decided to be free... # | 0:20:10 | 0:20:14 | |
She just looked so serious | 0:20:15 | 0:20:17 | |
and like she understood every word of that song. | 0:20:17 | 0:20:20 | |
# Loneliness surrounds me | 0:20:20 | 0:20:26 | |
# Without your arms around me... # | 0:20:27 | 0:20:31 | |
I'd trawl on the radio | 0:20:31 | 0:20:33 | |
and when they started playing I got bored. | 0:20:33 | 0:20:36 | |
Her voice stood out. It was different. | 0:20:36 | 0:20:39 | |
She didn't sound like all the other girls. | 0:20:39 | 0:20:42 | |
# Now the sun will never shine | 0:20:44 | 0:20:50 | |
# In apartment number nine. # | 0:20:50 | 0:20:55 | |
I love to sing "Apartment Number Nine". It's my favourite Tammy tune. | 0:20:59 | 0:21:03 | |
The lyrics of the song are... | 0:21:03 | 0:21:06 | |
are so... | 0:21:06 | 0:21:07 | |
..stark. | 0:21:08 | 0:21:10 | |
From the beginning of it, it's just follow the stairway, like, "OK... | 0:21:10 | 0:21:14 | |
"I'm there, I'm totally there." | 0:21:14 | 0:21:18 | |
When the record was over they said it was by somebody named Tammy Wynette. | 0:21:18 | 0:21:23 | |
And right then I said to myself, "I know what's happened. | 0:21:23 | 0:21:26 | |
"She's gone to Nashville and said, 'My name's Wynette Byrd' | 0:21:26 | 0:21:29 | |
"and they've said, 'Wynette's not a first name, is it?' " | 0:21:29 | 0:21:32 | |
They had all these Tammy movies that were out, | 0:21:32 | 0:21:36 | |
so they named her Tammy. "You've got to have your hair tied back and a cute little bow on it." | 0:21:36 | 0:21:41 | |
In the space of a few months, Wynette Byrd had become Tammy Wynette. | 0:21:41 | 0:21:45 | |
Billy Sherrill said his first impression was of a pale, skinny little blonde girl | 0:21:45 | 0:21:50 | |
who looked like she was at her rope's end. | 0:21:50 | 0:21:53 | |
He took her looks, voice and concerns and shaped them into marketable hits. | 0:21:53 | 0:21:58 | |
I suspect that Wynette sometimes wondered who this Tammy Wynette person was. | 0:21:58 | 0:22:03 | |
The special guest, Miss Tammy Wynette | 0:22:03 | 0:22:06 | |
and a tune entitled "Your Good Girl's Gonna Go Bad". | 0:22:06 | 0:22:09 | |
# If ya like 'em painted up powdered up | 0:22:09 | 0:22:13 | |
# Then you ought to be glad | 0:22:13 | 0:22:15 | |
# Cos your good girl's a-gonna go bad... # | 0:22:15 | 0:22:20 | |
In '67, Tammy topped the country charts. | 0:22:20 | 0:22:23 | |
# I'll even learn to like the taste of whisky | 0:22:23 | 0:22:27 | |
# In fact you'll hardly recognise your wife... # | 0:22:27 | 0:22:31 | |
This was standard honky-tonk country fare. | 0:22:31 | 0:22:35 | |
# ..And dress up fancy | 0:22:35 | 0:22:37 | |
# For my journey to the wilder side of life. # | 0:22:37 | 0:22:43 | |
Billy Sherrill was still an author in search of a character. | 0:22:43 | 0:22:46 | |
Tammy, you've been here in Nashville just a few short months | 0:22:46 | 0:22:51 | |
and already have a couple of hit records to your credit. | 0:22:51 | 0:22:54 | |
What makes you want to be an entertainer? | 0:22:54 | 0:22:57 | |
I think the travel is the main thing. I love it. | 0:22:57 | 0:23:00 | |
I love the shows and meeting the different entertainers. | 0:23:00 | 0:23:04 | |
-You love to get out on the road and see part of the country. -Yes. | 0:23:04 | 0:23:08 | |
-And you do see a lot of it, don't you? -Sure do. | 0:23:08 | 0:23:11 | |
Some weeks you're probably in four or five different states. | 0:23:11 | 0:23:15 | |
Since September I've been in 33 states... | 0:23:15 | 0:23:18 | |
I certainly missed her. And I'm sure my sisters did too. | 0:23:18 | 0:23:22 | |
Who doesn't want their mum around? We didn't have a dad. | 0:23:22 | 0:23:26 | |
It was hard but, just like my friends parents' had jobs, | 0:23:26 | 0:23:30 | |
this was my mum's job and it took her away from us. | 0:23:30 | 0:23:33 | |
Let's do "Don't Come Home A-drinking With Lovin' On Your Mind". | 0:23:33 | 0:23:37 | |
She now met the country superstar who'd been her hero back in the cotton fields. | 0:23:37 | 0:23:42 | |
Georgie, boy! | 0:23:42 | 0:23:43 | |
# I feel tears welling up Cold and deep inside | 0:23:43 | 0:23:47 | |
# Like my heart's sprung a big break | 0:23:47 | 0:23:49 | |
# And the stab of loneliness sharp and painful | 0:23:49 | 0:23:52 | |
# That I may never shake | 0:23:52 | 0:23:55 | |
# You might say I was taking it hard | 0:23:55 | 0:23:57 | |
# Oh, she wrote me off with a call... # | 0:23:57 | 0:24:00 | |
Tammy had a hit record out at the time, | 0:24:00 | 0:24:03 | |
a duet with the late David Houston | 0:24:03 | 0:24:05 | |
called "My Elusive Dreams". | 0:24:05 | 0:24:07 | |
She was doing a show and David Houston and she had a spat. | 0:24:07 | 0:24:11 | |
He wouldn't sing the duet with her and Jones walked out... | 0:24:11 | 0:24:15 | |
My dad, out of the blue, invited her | 0:24:15 | 0:24:17 | |
to come on stage to sing the duet. | 0:24:17 | 0:24:20 | |
# I followed you to Texas | 0:24:20 | 0:24:24 | |
# I followed you to Utah... # | 0:24:24 | 0:24:29 | |
She idolised him as a singer | 0:24:29 | 0:24:31 | |
and he symbolised the kind of star that she wanted to be. | 0:24:31 | 0:24:36 | |
Afterwards she thanked him and he talked to her | 0:24:36 | 0:24:39 | |
and wanted to do some more singing with her. | 0:24:39 | 0:24:42 | |
After a while, they did a lot more singing and recording together. | 0:24:42 | 0:24:45 | |
# Step by step | 0:24:45 | 0:24:47 | |
# We walked the road together... # | 0:24:47 | 0:24:52 | |
AUDIENCE APPLAUDS | 0:24:52 | 0:24:55 | |
# Hand in hand | 0:24:55 | 0:24:57 | |
# Love grew more every day | 0:24:57 | 0:25:01 | |
# When trouble came | 0:25:04 | 0:25:06 | |
# We held onto each other... # | 0:25:06 | 0:25:10 | |
She had a lot of feeling, a lot of heart and a lot of soul. | 0:25:10 | 0:25:14 | |
That was the kind of stuff I'd known. | 0:25:14 | 0:25:17 | |
Once we started singing together, | 0:25:17 | 0:25:20 | |
you know, it was... it was just magic. | 0:25:20 | 0:25:24 | |
In 1967, Tammy had four number-one country hits. | 0:25:24 | 0:25:28 | |
She was part of a long tradition. | 0:25:28 | 0:25:30 | |
Country music is the music of the common man. | 0:25:30 | 0:25:33 | |
It's very similar to the blues in America, | 0:25:33 | 0:25:35 | |
the white man's version of singing about their troubles. | 0:25:35 | 0:25:39 | |
That's what country music was. | 0:25:39 | 0:25:41 | |
# Today I sat alone at the window... # | 0:25:45 | 0:25:51 | |
But Tammy's wasn't so much country music as suburban music. | 0:25:51 | 0:25:56 | |
# ..And I watched our little girl outside at play... # | 0:25:56 | 0:25:59 | |
Not so much for the common man as the common woman. | 0:25:59 | 0:26:03 | |
# ..With the little boy next door | 0:26:03 | 0:26:08 | |
# Like so many times before | 0:26:08 | 0:26:13 | |
# But something didn't seem quite right today... # | 0:26:13 | 0:26:19 | |
She and Billy Sherrill had found her distinctive voice. | 0:26:19 | 0:26:23 | |
# So I went outside To see what they were doing... # | 0:26:23 | 0:26:28 | |
When Tammy Wynette sings about her daughter, | 0:26:28 | 0:26:32 | |
"I don't want to play house, it made my mummy cry" | 0:26:32 | 0:26:35 | |
you could think, "That's gross. Why are you pulling our heart strings like that?" | 0:26:35 | 0:26:40 | |
But that happened to Tammy Wynette. She probably heard her child say, "I don't want to be like you." | 0:26:40 | 0:26:45 | |
# I don't want to play house | 0:26:45 | 0:26:47 | |
# I know it can't be fun | 0:26:47 | 0:26:51 | |
# I've watched Mummy and Daddy | 0:26:54 | 0:26:58 | |
# And if that's the way it's done | 0:26:58 | 0:27:02 | |
# I don't want to play house | 0:27:02 | 0:27:05 | |
# It makes my mummy cry... # | 0:27:06 | 0:27:09 | |
It's an enormous thing to let millions know that your daughter doesn't want to be like you. | 0:27:09 | 0:27:14 | |
# Cos when she played house My daddy said goodbye. # | 0:27:14 | 0:27:25 | |
The songs portray a degree of desperation and anguish | 0:27:25 | 0:27:30 | |
about the situation she finds herself in. | 0:27:30 | 0:27:34 | |
There was an acceptance of a woman's lot | 0:27:34 | 0:27:38 | |
and an acceptance of the pain that went with it. | 0:27:38 | 0:27:41 | |
It's a complete denial of any alternative. | 0:27:43 | 0:27:47 | |
She is going through all the crap that life throws at you. | 0:27:47 | 0:27:51 | |
Having the kids when you're too young, | 0:27:51 | 0:27:54 | |
having bad men that you've fallen in love with for all the wrong reasons. | 0:27:54 | 0:27:58 | |
She's gone to hell and back with men. | 0:27:59 | 0:28:01 | |
The best single record of the year, | 0:28:03 | 0:28:05 | |
a big hit record by our next guest - D-I-V-O-R-C-E by Tammy Wynette. | 0:28:05 | 0:28:09 | |
There's certain people for me who're way beyond what you'd call entertainment. | 0:28:11 | 0:28:16 | |
I can't listen to it at times. | 0:28:16 | 0:28:18 | |
I have to turn it off, because it goes way beyond. | 0:28:18 | 0:28:20 | |
It was so dark and it was so moving. | 0:28:21 | 0:28:24 | |
# Our little boy is four years old | 0:28:24 | 0:28:29 | |
# And quite a little man | 0:28:29 | 0:28:34 | |
# So we spell out the words we don't want him to understand | 0:28:34 | 0:28:43 | |
# Like T-O-Y | 0:28:43 | 0:28:45 | |
# Or maybe S-U-R-P-R-I-S-E | 0:28:45 | 0:28:52 | |
# But the words we're hiding from him now | 0:28:52 | 0:28:57 | |
# Tear the heart right out of me | 0:28:57 | 0:29:03 | |
# Our D-I-V-O-R-C-E becomes final today... # | 0:29:03 | 0:29:11 | |
People listen to those songs thinking, "This is me, this is what I'm going through. This is my life." | 0:29:11 | 0:29:17 | |
I think the people that bought her albums, they thought, "She's talking to me." | 0:29:17 | 0:29:23 | |
Tammy Wynette, I think, is a tremendous vocalist. | 0:29:23 | 0:29:27 | |
Really strange vocal style. | 0:29:27 | 0:29:30 | |
I like the little catch in her voice. | 0:29:30 | 0:29:32 | |
That sort of little sob in her voice. | 0:29:32 | 0:29:35 | |
-That little teardrop. > -The teardrop was natural, | 0:29:35 | 0:29:39 | |
cos she could not make it do it. | 0:29:39 | 0:29:42 | |
"Make it, do it." "I can't do it, it just happens." | 0:29:42 | 0:29:46 | |
Some people might find Tammy's, it's too... | 0:29:47 | 0:29:51 | |
..over-dramatic, over-stated, her voice. | 0:29:53 | 0:29:56 | |
Whereas other country singers have got a clearer...cleaner voice | 0:29:56 | 0:30:01 | |
and they don't show all the pain. | 0:30:01 | 0:30:04 | |
Tammy lets more of the pain come through. | 0:30:04 | 0:30:07 | |
To me, there's something really beautiful about that sound. | 0:30:07 | 0:30:12 | |
Sherrill was the epitome of this... | 0:30:12 | 0:30:14 | |
There's this still quite controlled backing | 0:30:14 | 0:30:18 | |
with this very emotional singer in the foreground, | 0:30:18 | 0:30:21 | |
and with all their quirks and peculiarities on display, | 0:30:21 | 0:30:25 | |
like Tammy Wynette with this strange enunciation. | 0:30:25 | 0:30:28 | |
It had a huge power to communicate. | 0:30:28 | 0:30:31 | |
And it's that period of time when country music was in charge for a short while. | 0:30:31 | 0:30:36 | |
Next came the real big hitter. | 0:30:36 | 0:30:38 | |
I worked on "Divorce" "D-I-V-O-R-C-E". | 0:30:38 | 0:30:42 | |
Did I spell that right? | 0:30:42 | 0:30:43 | |
I also worked on "Stand By Your Man". | 0:30:43 | 0:30:47 | |
That was a great session. I was playing the bass and Jerry Kennedy was playing the electric guitar. | 0:30:47 | 0:30:53 | |
# Sometimes it's hard to be a woman | 0:30:53 | 0:31:00 | |
# Giving all your love to just one man... # | 0:31:02 | 0:31:06 | |
I had a great feeling about that record when we did it because she sang with so much soul. | 0:31:06 | 0:31:11 | |
# And if you love him... # | 0:31:11 | 0:31:15 | |
When she hits that C sharp, it's pretty thrilling. | 0:31:15 | 0:31:19 | |
She sails up and hits that note. | 0:31:19 | 0:31:21 | |
It's an emotion that she feels. | 0:31:21 | 0:31:24 | |
And she conveyed the emotion. | 0:31:24 | 0:31:26 | |
# Stand by your man | 0:31:28 | 0:31:31 | |
# And show the world you love him | 0:31:33 | 0:31:38 | |
# Keep giving all the love you can | 0:31:38 | 0:31:46 | |
# Stand by your man. # | 0:31:46 | 0:31:56 | |
But it was 1968 and feminists weren't concerned about her high C sharp. | 0:31:56 | 0:32:02 | |
Tammy became the centre of a controversy. | 0:32:02 | 0:32:06 | |
People gave her a really hard time. | 0:32:06 | 0:32:08 | |
They assumed that by saying "stand by your man" | 0:32:08 | 0:32:11 | |
that she was saying that you should take whatever you have to take | 0:32:11 | 0:32:16 | |
and stick with a man no matter what. | 0:32:16 | 0:32:18 | |
Anybody who knows my mum knows that she didn't mean that. | 0:32:18 | 0:32:22 | |
At the time, I did see it as very much a counter-revolutionary thing, | 0:32:22 | 0:32:26 | |
as straight, anti-feminist propaganda, | 0:32:26 | 0:32:29 | |
this defence of the male perspective, as we saw it, on women. | 0:32:29 | 0:32:34 | |
And it seemed such an act of betrayal, | 0:32:34 | 0:32:36 | |
hearing "Stand By Your Man" and people singing it on the street | 0:32:36 | 0:32:40 | |
was almost more than one could bear at that time. | 0:32:40 | 0:32:44 | |
There is no more victim lyrics in the world, I don't think. | 0:32:44 | 0:32:49 | |
But when you hear her sing it, she transcends it. | 0:32:49 | 0:32:52 | |
It's up there with "I Will Survive". Differently, obviously. | 0:32:52 | 0:32:56 | |
"I Will Survive" is for when you're at the disco and you've been chucked by your bloke. | 0:32:56 | 0:33:01 | |
Whereas Tammy Wynette is when you're at the kitchen sink and you've got to get the kids to school. | 0:33:01 | 0:33:06 | |
It works in a different way but it's just as strong. | 0:33:06 | 0:33:10 | |
"Stand By Your Man" is a rallying cry for men all over the country. | 0:33:10 | 0:33:14 | |
-How did you write it? -Well, we had a session that day at two o'clock | 0:33:14 | 0:33:19 | |
and we had two songs that we'd decided on doing. | 0:33:19 | 0:33:23 | |
And Billy Sherrill, my producer, had the first two lines of this song written. | 0:33:23 | 0:33:27 | |
So we did the first two songs and he gave the musicians a 15-minute break. | 0:33:27 | 0:33:33 | |
We finished the song, came back and recorded it. | 0:33:33 | 0:33:36 | |
-"Stand By Your Man"? -Yes. -In that length of time? | 0:33:36 | 0:33:40 | |
-No more than 20 minutes. -How does that make you feel, Songwriter? | 0:33:40 | 0:33:44 | |
-It takes me that long to tie my shoes. -LAUGHTER | 0:33:44 | 0:33:47 | |
# ..To understand... | 0:33:47 | 0:33:50 | |
# And if you love him... # | 0:33:53 | 0:33:55 | |
Every country woman knows what that's like | 0:33:55 | 0:33:58 | |
to try to stand by her husband no matter whether he's in the right or in the wrong. | 0:33:58 | 0:34:04 | |
They were anthems for women of the time. | 0:34:04 | 0:34:06 | |
Would you stand with me? | 0:34:06 | 0:34:08 | |
# Stand by your man... # | 0:34:08 | 0:34:10 | |
A lot of people are critical of that attitude today. | 0:34:10 | 0:34:13 | |
But that was the culture we grew up in. And that was what we were about. | 0:34:13 | 0:34:19 | |
# ..When nights are cold and lonely... # | 0:34:19 | 0:34:23 | |
I couldn't help but hear the irony in that song, | 0:34:23 | 0:34:26 | |
of this woman who's been knocked around by men. | 0:34:26 | 0:34:29 | |
She sang that song with great feeling | 0:34:29 | 0:34:32 | |
but I think she felt it when she sang it. | 0:34:32 | 0:34:35 | |
Later in her career she would say, "After all, he's just a man." | 0:34:35 | 0:34:40 | |
It's the ultimate put-down really. | 0:34:41 | 0:34:43 | |
It's like, "He's like a puppy dog. You can't expect much. He's as thick as two short planks." | 0:34:43 | 0:34:49 | |
"After all, he's just a man." | 0:34:49 | 0:34:51 | |
Every time I hear that, I go... | 0:34:52 | 0:34:55 | |
..yeah...there's some... | 0:34:56 | 0:34:58 | |
I'm not... I don't necessarily believe that | 0:34:58 | 0:35:02 | |
but sometimes I have thought that. | 0:35:02 | 0:35:04 | |
"Well, he can't help it. He's got that thing." | 0:35:04 | 0:35:07 | |
It's stretching it too far to try and see those lyrics as saying that, particularly in that time. | 0:35:11 | 0:35:17 | |
# Stand by your man... # | 0:35:17 | 0:35:20 | |
I still say "Stand By Your Man" is not a conservative song. | 0:35:20 | 0:35:23 | |
It's about nurturing one another. | 0:35:23 | 0:35:26 | |
# Stand by your man. # | 0:35:26 | 0:35:31 | |
There were doormat songs. She had one song called "Don't Liberate Me, Love Me". | 0:35:35 | 0:35:39 | |
# Don't liberate me | 0:35:39 | 0:35:44 | |
# Just love me... # | 0:35:44 | 0:35:47 | |
"Singing My Song" is a very doormat song. | 0:35:47 | 0:35:49 | |
"I don't know what I do that's right but it makes him come home at night". | 0:35:49 | 0:35:53 | |
# I don't know what I do that's right | 0:35:53 | 0:35:58 | |
# But it makes him come home at night | 0:35:58 | 0:36:02 | |
# And when he's home | 0:36:02 | 0:36:05 | |
# I make sure he's never alone | 0:36:05 | 0:36:09 | |
# And that's why I keep singing my song. # | 0:36:09 | 0:36:16 | |
Tammy was still standing by husband number two, Don Chapel, but not for long. | 0:36:16 | 0:36:21 | |
They invited my dad over | 0:36:21 | 0:36:22 | |
to eat dinner one night. | 0:36:22 | 0:36:24 | |
And while eating there, Don was very angry... | 0:36:24 | 0:36:28 | |
and violent towards my mother | 0:36:28 | 0:36:30 | |
and was cussing at her and saying horrible things to her. | 0:36:30 | 0:36:34 | |
And it made my dad angry. And he stood up and knocked the dinner table over onto Don | 0:36:34 | 0:36:40 | |
and said that he wasn't gonna speak to her like that | 0:36:40 | 0:36:44 | |
and that he was in love with her and thought she was in love with him too. | 0:36:44 | 0:36:48 | |
And she said, "Yes, I am." So they left. | 0:36:48 | 0:36:50 | |
-You told me you had a surprise for us. -Yes. | 0:36:50 | 0:36:55 | |
-She's the brand-new wife of mine. -I know who you're talking about. | 0:36:55 | 0:36:58 | |
-Yes. -The little lady that the CMA voted the number one girl singer of the year. | 0:36:58 | 0:37:04 | |
You're talking about Tammy Wynette. | 0:37:04 | 0:37:07 | |
-Right. -Is she here? -She's here. -Put her to work. -Here we go. | 0:37:07 | 0:37:11 | |
# Well, I'm gonna get on the old turnpike and I'm gonna ride | 0:37:14 | 0:37:19 | |
# I'm gonna leave this town till you decide | 0:37:19 | 0:37:24 | |
# Which one you want the most Them Opry stars or me | 0:37:24 | 0:37:28 | |
# Milwaukee, here I come From Nashville, Tennessee... # | 0:37:28 | 0:37:32 | |
Now they really were the first couple of country. | 0:37:32 | 0:37:36 | |
For her, meeting George Jones, it was just the best and the worst thing in her life. | 0:37:36 | 0:37:42 | |
They really struggled to make it work. | 0:37:42 | 0:37:46 | |
# We're gonna hold on... # | 0:37:48 | 0:37:53 | |
But I do know that she was crazy about him. I mean, she just adored him and he did her. | 0:37:53 | 0:37:59 | |
The writers who wrote for her, | 0:37:59 | 0:38:01 | |
and there were about...four of us who wrote regularly, | 0:38:01 | 0:38:06 | |
would sort of write... what was happening that day. | 0:38:06 | 0:38:10 | |
And if she and Jones were having a tough time, that's what we wrote about. | 0:38:10 | 0:38:15 | |
# Life can be rough | 0:38:15 | 0:38:17 | |
# Sometimes it's... # | 0:38:18 | 0:38:20 | |
Well, he had his alcohol problem and drug addiction. | 0:38:20 | 0:38:24 | |
And then, I think, during that time, in the early seventies, | 0:38:24 | 0:38:27 | |
that was when Mum was just beginning to start her drug addiction. | 0:38:27 | 0:38:31 | |
George and Tammy had one child together, Georgette. | 0:38:33 | 0:38:37 | |
Mum's medical problems started after she had a hysterectomy when Georgette was born. | 0:38:37 | 0:38:44 | |
She was given medication. | 0:38:44 | 0:38:47 | |
She felt, "I have a prescription for it, so it's OK." | 0:38:47 | 0:38:51 | |
Because they'd had Georgette, she was so determined to see that work. | 0:38:53 | 0:38:58 | |
I don't think there was ever any way that it could because of the issues they had. | 0:39:01 | 0:39:05 | |
There were so many strains on that relationship. | 0:39:10 | 0:39:13 | |
She had grown up hard | 0:39:13 | 0:39:15 | |
and didn't want to return to the life from which she came. | 0:39:15 | 0:39:19 | |
Someone very driven. | 0:39:19 | 0:39:21 | |
Then you've got George Jones who hit the bottle... | 0:39:21 | 0:39:25 | |
so hard routinely. | 0:39:25 | 0:39:28 | |
He couldn't be contained. He couldn't be controlled. | 0:39:28 | 0:39:32 | |
He was an absolute wild man. | 0:39:32 | 0:39:34 | |
She wouldn't let him take the car into town cos she knew he'd get in a lot of trouble. | 0:39:35 | 0:39:40 | |
So he took the keys to the riding lawn mower and rode that into town | 0:39:40 | 0:39:44 | |
and messed himself up anyway. | 0:39:44 | 0:39:46 | |
Her and George Jones lived three houses from me on the lake. | 0:39:48 | 0:39:52 | |
We used to, you know, see each other. | 0:39:53 | 0:39:56 | |
George would sneak down there and I'd hide a bottle outside the door. | 0:39:56 | 0:40:01 | |
And he hid it. | 0:40:01 | 0:40:03 | |
This, I was very angry when I wrote. | 0:40:03 | 0:40:06 | |
# They said you were a loser when I met you | 0:40:08 | 0:40:12 | |
# Never stayed with anyone for very long | 0:40:13 | 0:40:17 | |
# They said I'd never hold you and I guess they knew | 0:40:18 | 0:40:23 | |
# There'd be something else beside you off and on | 0:40:23 | 0:40:28 | |
# "I love" you from a four-year-old was such a gift | 0:40:29 | 0:40:33 | |
# Two little arms around your neck so tight | 0:40:33 | 0:40:38 | |
# But a four-ounce glass of whisky gave a better lift | 0:40:39 | 0:40:43 | |
# And a bottle by your pillow made your night | 0:40:44 | 0:40:48 | |
# I thought that I could make a better man of you | 0:40:49 | 0:40:54 | |
# But changes don't just happen overnight | 0:40:54 | 0:40:58 | |
# You asked of us so many things we couldn't do | 0:40:59 | 0:41:04 | |
# And you just never let that bottle out of sight | 0:41:04 | 0:41:09 | |
# There's nothing on earth we can do to make you stay | 0:41:10 | 0:41:15 | |
# But I know every time you touch the bottle | 0:41:15 | 0:41:19 | |
# You'll hear her voice and see my face every single time | 0:41:20 | 0:41:26 | |
# Every time you open up that bottle | 0:41:26 | 0:41:30 | |
# Every time you open up the bottle | 0:41:31 | 0:41:35 | |
# The bottle. # | 0:41:35 | 0:41:42 | |
I don't think he ever wanted us to see that side of him | 0:41:43 | 0:41:47 | |
and I know Mum sheltered us from it. | 0:41:47 | 0:41:50 | |
But there were occasions when we did. | 0:41:50 | 0:41:52 | |
He was very volatile. | 0:41:52 | 0:41:54 | |
And she would not back down. | 0:41:54 | 0:41:58 | |
So she... | 0:41:58 | 0:41:59 | |
She would...you know, take it | 0:41:59 | 0:42:02 | |
and she would give him his money's worth too, so... | 0:42:02 | 0:42:06 | |
It was very violent. | 0:42:06 | 0:42:08 | |
# And if you think you've got it made | 0:42:10 | 0:42:13 | |
# And his love will never fade | 0:42:13 | 0:42:16 | |
# You'd better listen... # | 0:42:17 | 0:42:19 | |
Yet Tammy was still giving advice to other women about how to hang on to their husbands. | 0:42:19 | 0:42:24 | |
# She's out there too | 0:42:24 | 0:42:27 | |
# And she's a whole lot better-looking than me and you | 0:42:28 | 0:42:33 | |
# She can do things to a man | 0:42:35 | 0:42:39 | |
# You never dreamed a woman can do | 0:42:39 | 0:42:44 | |
# I'm talking | 0:42:47 | 0:42:49 | |
# Woman to woman... # | 0:42:49 | 0:42:54 | |
She saw it as if you didn't make it as a wife and mother you were a failure. | 0:42:54 | 0:43:00 | |
It was a question of survival rather than politics. But I didn't realise that at the time. | 0:43:00 | 0:43:04 | |
After seven years of standing by George, it was over. | 0:43:05 | 0:43:10 | |
I was there at the break-up. It was the first time she'd ever gone on the road without George. | 0:43:10 | 0:43:17 | |
And she said, "I'm scared to go on the road without him." | 0:43:17 | 0:43:21 | |
And we're like, "You're kidding!" | 0:43:21 | 0:43:24 | |
She said, "Who'll come to see me? | 0:43:24 | 0:43:27 | |
"Who'll know who I am?" | 0:43:27 | 0:43:29 | |
Soon after the break-up, she nearly died from a drug overdose. | 0:43:31 | 0:43:35 | |
She said she didn't mean to kill herself, just to sleep. | 0:43:35 | 0:43:39 | |
I really needed this song to help me through some troubled times. | 0:43:39 | 0:43:43 | |
AUDIENCE APPLAUDS | 0:43:43 | 0:43:46 | |
# Now and then | 0:43:48 | 0:43:53 | |
# Lord, you know I'm gonna need a friend | 0:43:53 | 0:43:58 | |
# Till I get used to losing you | 0:43:58 | 0:44:02 | |
# Let me keep on using you | 0:44:02 | 0:44:06 | |
# Till I can make it on my own... # | 0:44:06 | 0:44:11 | |
This song, Tammy co-wrote with Billy Sherrill and the other George, the George in waiting. | 0:44:11 | 0:44:16 | |
For a long time I had been in love with Tammy. | 0:44:16 | 0:44:19 | |
But I was too afraid it would destroy our friendship. | 0:44:21 | 0:44:26 | |
# But till then I'll lean on you | 0:44:26 | 0:44:30 | |
# That's all I mean to do | 0:44:30 | 0:44:33 | |
# Till I can make it on my own | 0:44:33 | 0:44:39 | |
# Surely someday I'll wake up and see the morning sun | 0:44:40 | 0:44:46 | |
# Without another lonely night behind me... # | 0:44:46 | 0:44:51 | |
She started dating Burt Reynolds, | 0:44:51 | 0:44:54 | |
then the biggest film star in the USA. | 0:44:54 | 0:44:57 | |
And I'm here with a very special lady, | 0:44:57 | 0:45:00 | |
who is so shy that...I may do the entire interview myself. | 0:45:00 | 0:45:05 | |
Why, she hasn't had a hit in over...six minutes. | 0:45:05 | 0:45:09 | |
-What is the last big hit that you've had? -"Let's Get Together". | 0:45:09 | 0:45:13 | |
"Let's Get Together" was her last big hit. | 0:45:13 | 0:45:17 | |
AUDIENCE LAUGHS | 0:45:17 | 0:45:19 | |
-And how many did it sell? -I don't know. -She doesn't know. | 0:45:19 | 0:45:23 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:45:23 | 0:45:26 | |
Well, you don't have to be quick to be a country star, | 0:45:26 | 0:45:30 | |
you just have to be... | 0:45:30 | 0:45:32 | |
I remember him coming in and thinking, "Wow! This is a real star." | 0:45:32 | 0:45:36 | |
I guess I never associated Mum with being a celebrity and Burt was a real celebrity. | 0:45:36 | 0:45:42 | |
What are you gonna sing? | 0:45:42 | 0:45:44 | |
A song, if I might say, that was written especially for you | 0:45:44 | 0:45:49 | |
that you know. It's a song called "You And Me". | 0:45:49 | 0:45:53 | |
She was happy. She was doing things she wanted to do. | 0:45:53 | 0:45:57 | |
And she seemed to just come alive. | 0:45:57 | 0:46:00 | |
We're gonna hear "You And Me". | 0:46:00 | 0:46:02 | |
# I can feel his heart is beating softly | 0:46:05 | 0:46:12 | |
# He just loved me so tenderly | 0:46:16 | 0:46:23 | |
# But it should be you and me... # | 0:46:23 | 0:46:32 | |
They didn't get married, I think... | 0:46:33 | 0:46:36 | |
Not that Mum didn't want to. | 0:46:36 | 0:46:39 | |
She probably would have loved to. | 0:46:39 | 0:46:41 | |
It wasn't to be. | 0:46:41 | 0:46:44 | |
She married a local businessman instead. | 0:46:44 | 0:46:47 | |
I think she knew it wasn't going to work out and married him anyway. | 0:46:47 | 0:46:51 | |
And realised that was a mistake soon afterwards. | 0:46:51 | 0:46:56 | |
# Kids | 0:46:56 | 0:46:57 | |
# Say the darnedest things... # | 0:46:57 | 0:47:01 | |
They split up after 44 days. | 0:47:01 | 0:47:04 | |
I was seven years old when it happened. | 0:47:04 | 0:47:08 | |
It was difficult. | 0:47:08 | 0:47:10 | |
That was the thing that she was most embarrassed about in her life... | 0:47:14 | 0:47:19 | |
the number of times she had been married. | 0:47:19 | 0:47:22 | |
Because her belief was you get married ONE time | 0:47:22 | 0:47:24 | |
and you stay married and you die married to the same person. | 0:47:24 | 0:47:28 | |
So she did it again. | 0:47:28 | 0:47:30 | |
She married him. And this time it was to be until death. | 0:47:30 | 0:47:33 | |
The songwriter became her husband and manager. | 0:47:33 | 0:47:37 | |
Tammy and I had a long relationship, a wonderful relationship. | 0:47:37 | 0:47:41 | |
We were married 20 years. | 0:47:41 | 0:47:42 | |
And for the most part, the majority were great years. | 0:47:44 | 0:47:48 | |
The quest was over. | 0:47:51 | 0:47:53 | |
AUDIENCE APPLAUDS | 0:47:53 | 0:47:55 | |
# I can hear the rain | 0:48:03 | 0:48:06 | |
# It's falling softly | 0:48:06 | 0:48:10 | |
# As I watch him lying next to me... # | 0:48:15 | 0:48:22 | |
Just two years before, | 0:48:22 | 0:48:24 | |
she'd told Burt Reynolds this song was written for him. | 0:48:24 | 0:48:27 | |
Her final marriage would split her family and friends. | 0:48:27 | 0:48:31 | |
She thought it was going to turn out to be something totally different to what it did. | 0:48:31 | 0:48:37 | |
But by then she felt, "I can't divorce again | 0:48:37 | 0:48:41 | |
"because of my fans. They'll look at me this way." | 0:48:41 | 0:48:44 | |
# ..So tenderly... # | 0:48:44 | 0:48:46 | |
It just wasn't going to happen. | 0:48:46 | 0:48:49 | |
# It should be you and me... # | 0:48:49 | 0:48:55 | |
She picked them wrong. And that was her downfall. | 0:48:55 | 0:48:58 | |
And anybody who knows her life, knows that. | 0:48:58 | 0:49:02 | |
That's not a great big secret. | 0:49:02 | 0:49:04 | |
After she picked George Richey, she never had a chance to pick anything else. | 0:49:08 | 0:49:12 | |
He gained control and he kept control. | 0:49:12 | 0:49:15 | |
# No, he can't see | 0:49:15 | 0:49:18 | |
# It should be you and me... # | 0:49:18 | 0:49:25 | |
'Tammy was one who dared not be alone. | 0:49:25 | 0:49:29 | |
'In most instances, her relationships were dependent on HER.' | 0:49:29 | 0:49:34 | |
I think she was used, er... | 0:49:36 | 0:49:40 | |
by every relationship she was involved in. | 0:49:40 | 0:49:45 | |
She knew nothing but work and music, | 0:49:51 | 0:49:54 | |
the cotton fields and music. | 0:49:54 | 0:49:57 | |
She didn't know about the world. | 0:49:57 | 0:50:01 | |
I can remember when she would play towns | 0:50:01 | 0:50:05 | |
She'd feign an injury so that she'd go to an emergency room | 0:50:05 | 0:50:08 | |
and be given painkillers to get high. | 0:50:09 | 0:50:12 | |
When her reputation for doing so became widespread, | 0:50:12 | 0:50:15 | |
she'd stop faking an injury. | 0:50:15 | 0:50:16 | |
She would walk off a stage. | 0:50:16 | 0:50:20 | |
# I'm wearing my jeans a little bit tighter... # | 0:50:23 | 0:50:26 | |
Tammy was now a country legend, singing her repertoire of golden oldies | 0:50:26 | 0:50:31 | |
and still cutting country albums that pleased her loyal audience. | 0:50:31 | 0:50:36 | |
As the years rolled by, she became an institution. | 0:50:36 | 0:50:40 | |
Then, out of the blue, something surprising shot her back to the top of the pops. | 0:50:40 | 0:50:47 | |
# Hey, hey... # | 0:50:49 | 0:50:51 | |
For Tammy, it was like 1968 all over again. | 0:50:51 | 0:50:56 | |
# They're justified and they're ancient... # | 0:50:56 | 0:50:59 | |
Just like Billy Sherrill, the KLF could make her seem real, | 0:50:59 | 0:51:03 | |
while all around was artifice. | 0:51:03 | 0:51:05 | |
Jimmy said, "What we need on this is Tammy Wynette" - | 0:51:05 | 0:51:08 | |
a ludicrous idea, sitting in this South London studio - | 0:51:08 | 0:51:12 | |
but suddenly I could hear her voice, I could hear it in my head, | 0:51:12 | 0:51:16 | |
and I'm thinking, "He's right," | 0:51:16 | 0:51:18 | |
and within three calls I was talking to Tammy Wynette and she said, "Yes, I'll do it." | 0:51:18 | 0:51:23 | |
Met at the airport by her husband, | 0:51:26 | 0:51:27 | |
who took me in his powder-blue Jag to First Lady Acres | 0:51:27 | 0:51:31 | |
and the first thing I hear - "Is that you, Bill?" | 0:51:31 | 0:51:35 | |
I fall instantly in love with her. | 0:51:35 | 0:51:38 | |
And we get to the studio, | 0:51:39 | 0:51:41 | |
and she's got the headphones on | 0:51:41 | 0:51:43 | |
and she can't do it. | 0:51:43 | 0:51:45 | |
She cannot sing in time to the track. | 0:51:45 | 0:51:47 | |
It's absolutely awful and I'm thinking, "This is a disaster." | 0:51:47 | 0:51:51 | |
So what happens is, George Richey conducts her through the whole thing, | 0:51:51 | 0:51:55 | |
and that worked, well, sort of worked. | 0:51:55 | 0:51:58 | |
Actually it didn't work at all. | 0:51:58 | 0:52:00 | |
When I got back to Britain, | 0:52:02 | 0:52:04 | |
and I said, "Look, I'm sorry. I've completely failed. | 0:52:04 | 0:52:07 | |
"The whole thing is a disaster." | 0:52:07 | 0:52:10 | |
But the engineer we worked with had got this new gear in | 0:52:10 | 0:52:13 | |
and within a couple of hours it was sounding fantastic. | 0:52:13 | 0:52:17 | |
# They called me up in Tennessee | 0:52:17 | 0:52:20 | |
# They said, "Tammy, stand by The Jams" | 0:52:20 | 0:52:25 | |
# But if you don't like what they're going to do | 0:52:25 | 0:52:29 | |
# You'd better not stop them cos they're coming through | 0:52:29 | 0:52:34 | |
# Hey, hey! | 0:52:36 | 0:52:38 | |
# All bound for Mu Mu Land... # | 0:52:38 | 0:52:43 | |
She's used to singing about heartbreak. | 0:52:43 | 0:52:46 | |
The woman's situation in white middle America, | 0:52:46 | 0:52:49 | |
and suddenly she's got these lyrics, but she didn't bat an eyelid. | 0:52:49 | 0:52:53 | |
# They're justified and they're ancient | 0:52:53 | 0:52:57 | |
# And they drive an ice-cream van... # | 0:52:57 | 0:53:00 | |
She did sing it like she meant it. | 0:53:00 | 0:53:02 | |
Our grandchildren thought she was the king and queen of all the acts. | 0:53:02 | 0:53:06 | |
She loved it. It was a great experience. | 0:53:06 | 0:53:09 | |
# ..ancient... # | 0:53:09 | 0:53:11 | |
It was No.1 in 22 countries. | 0:53:11 | 0:53:14 | |
We flew her over to this country to make the video | 0:53:14 | 0:53:18 | |
and we knew she wasn't a well woman, but she worked and worked and worked. | 0:53:18 | 0:53:23 | |
# All bound for Mu Mu Land... # | 0:53:23 | 0:53:26 | |
And you could see she was completely, you know, broken, | 0:53:26 | 0:53:30 | |
but she'd go back out there and she'd turn it on all over again. | 0:53:30 | 0:53:34 | |
By 1991, Tammy had had 17 major operations on her stomach. | 0:53:41 | 0:53:46 | |
She was still touring non-stop. | 0:53:46 | 0:53:49 | |
She was just a very, very sick woman. | 0:53:49 | 0:53:51 | |
Consequently she was the strongest woman I've ever known. | 0:53:51 | 0:53:55 | |
Sometimes we'd be on the bus and we'd be hooked up to breathing machines | 0:53:55 | 0:53:59 | |
and intravenous machines and oxygen and this and that, | 0:53:59 | 0:54:03 | |
and unplug herself and go out and sing. | 0:54:03 | 0:54:06 | |
I came to believe that the thing that kept Tammy alive WAS performing. | 0:54:06 | 0:54:13 | |
Tammy and George Jones had been estranged for years. | 0:54:13 | 0:54:18 | |
Tammy became very, very, very sick and was in the hospital | 0:54:21 | 0:54:26 | |
and I was called at three in the morning to come and be prepared | 0:54:26 | 0:54:29 | |
to write the obituary that she would not live through the night. | 0:54:29 | 0:54:33 | |
George went to the hospital to see Tammy and of course she was unconscious. | 0:54:33 | 0:54:38 | |
When Tammy did wake up from the coma, she said that she dreamed that she saw George there. | 0:54:40 | 0:54:46 | |
"He said, 'I want you to get better. I want to make another record with you.' " | 0:54:46 | 0:54:51 | |
That was the most nerve-racking thing that you can imagine. | 0:54:51 | 0:54:55 | |
-# Golden ring... -Golden ring | 0:54:57 | 0:54:59 | |
# With one tiny stone | 0:54:59 | 0:55:02 | |
-# Cast aside... -Waiting there | 0:55:02 | 0:55:05 | |
# For someone to take it home | 0:55:05 | 0:55:07 | |
-# By itself... -By itself | 0:55:07 | 0:55:11 | |
# It's just a cold, metallic thing | 0:55:11 | 0:55:13 | |
# Only love can make a golden wedding ring. # | 0:55:13 | 0:55:17 | |
It was just an unbelievably emotional thing. | 0:55:18 | 0:55:22 | |
The last tour to England, | 0:55:22 | 0:55:23 | |
I remember calling everybody in the family, all the daughters, | 0:55:23 | 0:55:27 | |
Richey, her husband, and begging and crying for them not to let Tammy go on the tour. | 0:55:27 | 0:55:31 | |
I was convinced that she would come back in a coffin. | 0:55:31 | 0:55:34 | |
My husband and I were flying over to England | 0:55:34 | 0:55:38 | |
and I got on the plane and I was walking through first-class with my cases | 0:55:38 | 0:55:41 | |
and I looked over and I saw this woman, | 0:55:41 | 0:55:44 | |
this very, very fragile, little, old woman, | 0:55:44 | 0:55:47 | |
and then I went, "Oh, my God!" I realised that was Tammy. | 0:55:47 | 0:55:51 | |
We brought her in for a BBC show in Birmingham. | 0:55:51 | 0:55:54 | |
They had to literally carry her on stage. | 0:55:54 | 0:55:57 | |
She was very, very ill. | 0:55:57 | 0:55:59 | |
She was so fragile and that was the last time I ever saw her alive. | 0:55:59 | 0:56:04 | |
# Precious memories... # | 0:56:09 | 0:56:13 | |
Tammy was just 55 when she died in 1998. | 0:56:13 | 0:56:17 | |
George Richey and her daughters fell out over the estate, | 0:56:17 | 0:56:21 | |
control over which went to him, | 0:56:21 | 0:56:23 | |
and over the circumstances of her death. | 0:56:23 | 0:56:26 | |
We asked for the body to be exhumed because we had hired a private detective | 0:56:26 | 0:56:30 | |
and gotten some information on some medication. | 0:56:30 | 0:56:33 | |
We always felt like THAT had something to do with her death, | 0:56:33 | 0:56:37 | |
but it was never really...proven. | 0:56:37 | 0:56:41 | |
# Stand by your man | 0:56:43 | 0:56:46 | |
# And show the world you love him | 0:56:48 | 0:56:52 | |
# Keep giving all the love you ca-a-an | 0:56:52 | 0:57:02 | |
# Stand by your ma-a-an. # | 0:57:02 | 0:57:10 | |
Tammy was of the generation where she was strong, she was powerful, | 0:57:11 | 0:57:16 | |
she could run her career, but she always seemed to be getting involved with men, | 0:57:16 | 0:57:20 | |
letting them run things for her, | 0:57:20 | 0:57:22 | |
and I think to some degree that was her downfall. | 0:57:22 | 0:57:27 | |
Maybe she was telling herself, there is someone out there | 0:57:27 | 0:57:32 | |
that's perfect and right for her, | 0:57:32 | 0:57:34 | |
even though she wasn't having the greatest time trying to find that person, she didn't want to give up. | 0:57:34 | 0:57:40 | |
I don't think things turned out maybe quite exactly how she had planned... | 0:57:40 | 0:57:46 | |
..but I do think she did finally find some peace. | 0:57:49 | 0:57:51 | |
She really paved the way for women writers and, um... | 0:57:54 | 0:57:58 | |
you know, she had such a great sense of style and carried herself so well, | 0:57:58 | 0:58:02 | |
that I have always, you know, looked to her for guidance in a way | 0:58:02 | 0:58:09 | |
for how to be a real loud country star. | 0:58:09 | 0:58:12 | |
For her, country music was about being real. | 0:58:13 | 0:58:16 | |
You have to do a lot of things to be real in country music. | 0:58:16 | 0:58:21 | |
You have to change your name and let people give you a different hairstyle | 0:58:21 | 0:58:25 | |
and create this phoney image that you have to carry around on your shoulders | 0:58:25 | 0:58:29 | |
like a boulder the rest of your life, just for the chance to be real. | 0:58:29 | 0:58:33 | |
It's a mystery to me. | 0:58:34 | 0:58:36 | |
# When the sky turns to silver | 0:58:38 | 0:58:42 | |
# Just before dark | 0:58:42 | 0:58:46 | |
# And the night comes to haunt me again | 0:58:46 | 0:58:52 | |
# When gone is the memory | 0:58:52 | 0:58:56 | |
# Of a sadness like mine | 0:58:56 | 0:59:00 | |
# Sing me a lonesome song. # | 0:59:00 | 0:59:06 | |
Subtitles by Red Bee Media Ltd. | 0:59:06 | 0:59:08 |