Browse content similar to Mix It Up and Start Again. Check below for episodes and series from the same categories and more!
Line | From | To | |
---|---|---|---|
MUSIC: Autobahn by Kraftwerk | 0:00:02 | 0:00:04 | |
That lilting melody first drifted into my consciousness | 0:00:04 | 0:00:07 | |
about 40 years ago. | 0:00:07 | 0:00:09 | |
It's pretty minimalist songwriting, | 0:00:15 | 0:00:17 | |
yet combined with cutting edge technology, | 0:00:17 | 0:00:19 | |
the effect was shockingly new. | 0:00:19 | 0:00:22 | |
You might remember it better like this. | 0:00:22 | 0:00:25 | |
MUSIC: Autobahn by Kraftwerk | 0:00:25 | 0:00:28 | |
Autobahn by Kraftwerk showed that the song no longer required | 0:00:33 | 0:00:36 | |
the sweat and toil of real musicians - | 0:00:36 | 0:00:39 | |
machines could do the hard work for us. | 0:00:39 | 0:00:42 | |
The robots had arrived. | 0:00:42 | 0:00:43 | |
From now on, songs would be made in a completely new way. | 0:00:46 | 0:00:50 | |
In this episode, I'll show how technology | 0:00:50 | 0:00:53 | |
met with playful creativity to carve out new sounds. | 0:00:53 | 0:00:57 | |
The very machines that were once used to play songs | 0:01:00 | 0:01:03 | |
were now creating extraordinary new music - from old records. | 0:01:03 | 0:01:07 | |
In the hip-hop world, | 0:01:07 | 0:01:09 | |
we wanted to have our own sonic signature. | 0:01:09 | 0:01:13 | |
MUSIC: Love Train by The O'Jays | 0:01:13 | 0:01:16 | |
The dance floor beats of disco | 0:01:17 | 0:01:19 | |
were also reshaped by the amazing alchemy of the remix. | 0:01:19 | 0:01:23 | |
MUSIC: Believe by Cher | 0:01:28 | 0:01:30 | |
And I'll explore how a smash hit like Believe, by Cher, | 0:01:30 | 0:01:34 | |
was created with the help of software | 0:01:34 | 0:01:36 | |
that could completely transform the sound of a singer's voice. | 0:01:36 | 0:01:40 | |
# No matter how hard I try... | 0:01:40 | 0:01:43 | |
# You keep pushing me aside and I can't break through | 0:01:43 | 0:01:49 | |
# There's no talking to you... # | 0:01:49 | 0:01:50 | |
But there was a reaction to all this sonic trickery. | 0:01:52 | 0:01:55 | |
I'll find out how Nirvana craved a more authentic feel to their songs | 0:01:55 | 0:01:59 | |
with a stripped-down sound. | 0:01:59 | 0:02:01 | |
MUSIC: Smells Like Teen Spirit by Nirvana | 0:02:01 | 0:02:04 | |
This desire for more earthy-sounding recordings | 0:02:06 | 0:02:09 | |
can even be heard in stadium rock. | 0:02:09 | 0:02:10 | |
I'll reveal the surprisingly lo-fi | 0:02:12 | 0:02:14 | |
beginnings of Bruce Springsteen's Born In The USA. | 0:02:14 | 0:02:18 | |
MUSIC: Born In The USA by Bruce Springsteen | 0:02:18 | 0:02:22 | |
And I'll experience how the way we've listened to songs | 0:02:30 | 0:02:34 | |
has been through just as radical a change - | 0:02:34 | 0:02:36 | |
arriving at an online world, | 0:02:36 | 0:02:38 | |
where the entire history of the recorded song | 0:02:38 | 0:02:41 | |
is available to us at the touch of a button. | 0:02:41 | 0:02:43 | |
MUSIC: Good Times by Chic | 0:02:43 | 0:02:45 | |
If you make easier for people to get a hold of music and listen to music, | 0:02:45 | 0:02:48 | |
more people will listen to music and you have a greater likelihood | 0:02:48 | 0:02:52 | |
that if you're making music, you have a greater likelihood | 0:02:52 | 0:02:54 | |
that somebody who likes it will find it. | 0:02:54 | 0:02:57 | |
Let me take you back to a time when you didn't just listen to music, | 0:03:04 | 0:03:08 | |
you communed with it. | 0:03:08 | 0:03:09 | |
And there was an entire ritual | 0:03:09 | 0:03:11 | |
to how you experienced your favourite songs - | 0:03:11 | 0:03:14 | |
and it had to be done right. | 0:03:14 | 0:03:15 | |
Carefully remove the disc from the sleeve. | 0:03:18 | 0:03:22 | |
Place it on the turntable | 0:03:22 | 0:03:23 | |
and remove any dirt or dust with your special brush. | 0:03:23 | 0:03:27 | |
Adjust the volume and settings on your expensive amplifier. | 0:03:28 | 0:03:32 | |
Carefully lower the stylus into place, | 0:03:33 | 0:03:36 | |
sit back and luxuriate in the big hi-fi sound. | 0:03:36 | 0:03:41 | |
MUSIC: Breathe by Pink Floyd | 0:03:41 | 0:03:45 | |
In the 1970s, I started listening - really listening - to music. | 0:03:54 | 0:03:58 | |
When you popped a pair of these on | 0:03:59 | 0:04:01 | |
and sealed yourself off from the world, | 0:04:01 | 0:04:03 | |
the vocals were so warm, | 0:04:03 | 0:04:05 | |
the production values so high | 0:04:05 | 0:04:07 | |
you could hear every single little moment. | 0:04:07 | 0:04:10 | |
It was very hard to believe you could actually get any closer | 0:04:10 | 0:04:13 | |
to the real sound of song. | 0:04:13 | 0:04:15 | |
It was just a few years since The Beatles and The Beach Boys | 0:04:21 | 0:04:24 | |
had begun their adventures in multi-track recording. | 0:04:24 | 0:04:27 | |
Bands like Pink Floyd and Yes had picked up the baton, | 0:04:27 | 0:04:31 | |
creating records where musical virtuosity | 0:04:31 | 0:04:34 | |
was just as important as the songwriting. | 0:04:34 | 0:04:36 | |
This is the era of the concept album - | 0:04:39 | 0:04:41 | |
intricately plotted and produced works | 0:04:41 | 0:04:44 | |
that sounded a little bit like sung film soundtracks. | 0:04:44 | 0:04:47 | |
I grew up with these. | 0:04:47 | 0:04:49 | |
And it has to be said, they were the children of the technology. | 0:04:49 | 0:04:53 | |
There was no way that a band could embark on anything as big as this, | 0:04:53 | 0:04:57 | |
even two or three years previously. | 0:04:57 | 0:04:59 | |
MUSIC: Yours Is No Disgrace by Yes | 0:04:59 | 0:05:02 | |
Songs like Yours Is No Disgrace by Yes | 0:05:02 | 0:05:05 | |
broke free of the shackles of the three minute pop song. | 0:05:05 | 0:05:08 | |
They jettisoned the "verse, chorus verse" structure | 0:05:08 | 0:05:11 | |
and moved into a territory previously inhabited | 0:05:11 | 0:05:14 | |
by jazz or classical music. | 0:05:14 | 0:05:15 | |
These rock symphonies were musically dense, | 0:05:19 | 0:05:22 | |
lyrically unfathomable | 0:05:22 | 0:05:24 | |
and often very long. | 0:05:24 | 0:05:25 | |
Cards on the table - | 0:05:27 | 0:05:29 | |
I wasn't a fan of Yes, | 0:05:29 | 0:05:31 | |
but I was a huge fan of the man who brought us keyboard players | 0:05:31 | 0:05:34 | |
out to the front of the band - | 0:05:34 | 0:05:36 | |
Rick Wakeman. | 0:05:36 | 0:05:37 | |
And the machine that allowed him to do that | 0:05:37 | 0:05:39 | |
was the legendary Minimoog, | 0:05:39 | 0:05:41 | |
brainchild of one Robert Moog. | 0:05:41 | 0:05:43 | |
Up until the Moog, what used to happen was, | 0:05:55 | 0:05:58 | |
if you were in a band, you had a Hammond organ or a piano, | 0:05:58 | 0:06:01 | |
an electric piano, or whatever you did... | 0:06:01 | 0:06:03 | |
And it came to your solo. | 0:06:03 | 0:06:05 | |
The rest of the band would all have to go on the floor - | 0:06:06 | 0:06:08 | |
they'd all sort of come down to tippy-tappy-tippy-tappy, | 0:06:08 | 0:06:11 | |
while you did your best to go... | 0:06:11 | 0:06:13 | |
And they'd all be looking at him going, "Oh, isn't it sad?" HE LAUGHS | 0:06:13 | 0:06:16 | |
And even the audience would go, "Oh, it's the organ solo." | 0:06:16 | 0:06:19 | |
And then... "Finished, have you? | 0:06:19 | 0:06:21 | |
"All right, great." Crank up the guitar and away you go. | 0:06:21 | 0:06:24 | |
This came along and I remember at the first... | 0:06:24 | 0:06:28 | |
I remember at one of the first rehearsals we did, | 0:06:28 | 0:06:30 | |
where I brought it along | 0:06:30 | 0:06:32 | |
and I thought Steve Howe was going to die, bless him. | 0:06:32 | 0:06:35 | |
Steve's one of my great friends and he went... | 0:06:35 | 0:06:38 | |
"What...?" | 0:06:38 | 0:06:39 | |
Because of the nature of how it's made up, with the waveforms, | 0:06:39 | 0:06:42 | |
it's thicker than any guitar can ever be. | 0:06:42 | 0:06:45 | |
It'll cut through concrete, that thing. | 0:06:45 | 0:06:47 | |
It's the... It's the keyboard equivalent to a tambourine. | 0:06:47 | 0:06:51 | |
Yeah, yeah. | 0:06:51 | 0:06:52 | |
It will... For whatever reason, it will cut through anything. | 0:06:52 | 0:06:55 | |
Suddenly, Bob Moog had given keyboard players a solo instrument | 0:06:55 | 0:07:01 | |
that we could turn round to the guitarist and smile and go, | 0:07:01 | 0:07:04 | |
"Up yours, sunshine." | 0:07:04 | 0:07:06 | |
The little Minimoog for me is the cleverest, | 0:07:16 | 0:07:19 | |
finest and most important electronic keyboard instrument ever made. | 0:07:19 | 0:07:24 | |
It's basically... | 0:07:24 | 0:07:26 | |
To put it into layman's terms, it consists of three oscillators... | 0:07:26 | 0:07:30 | |
So they're creating each sound? That's three sounds... | 0:07:30 | 0:07:32 | |
..so, for example, this is just one oscillator on its own. | 0:07:32 | 0:07:35 | |
HE PLAYS A NOTE | 0:07:35 | 0:07:37 | |
You add another one, which is a bit like playing the same note twice, | 0:07:37 | 0:07:40 | |
except that you can have the ability to tune it... | 0:07:40 | 0:07:43 | |
NOTES OSCILLATE | 0:07:43 | 0:07:45 | |
And then you have the third one... | 0:07:45 | 0:07:47 | |
THREE NOTES INTERWEAVE | 0:07:47 | 0:07:50 | |
You can also cheat somewhat, a little bit - you can actually | 0:07:51 | 0:07:54 | |
tune one of the oscillators, if you want, up a third. | 0:07:54 | 0:07:56 | |
HE IMPROVISES | 0:07:56 | 0:08:01 | |
So you can give the impression of playing more notes than you are. | 0:08:02 | 0:08:06 | |
The Minimoog could generate sounds to fill arenas with music | 0:08:13 | 0:08:18 | |
that fitted the epic tales that Wakeman's band wanted to tell. | 0:08:18 | 0:08:22 | |
It could just as easily be very silly. | 0:08:22 | 0:08:25 | |
You can do the Clangers. | 0:08:25 | 0:08:27 | |
SQUEAKS, WHISTLES | 0:08:27 | 0:08:30 | |
..which used to drive the guys at Yes nuts. | 0:08:30 | 0:08:32 | |
John would be trying to talk out the front and I'd be going... | 0:08:32 | 0:08:35 | |
SQUEAKY NOTES | 0:08:35 | 0:08:37 | |
..and John would be going, "We're now going to play..." | 0:08:37 | 0:08:39 | |
And I'd go... SQUEAKS AND WHISTLES | 0:08:39 | 0:08:42 | |
Prog rock, really, was breaking the rules. | 0:08:49 | 0:08:53 | |
Yeah, we made mistakes - it's not like everything we did | 0:08:53 | 0:08:56 | |
was perfect or right, but we believed it was at the time. | 0:08:56 | 0:08:59 | |
And if you're pioneering on something, | 0:08:59 | 0:09:01 | |
you're never going to get it right, because you can't go back and go, | 0:09:01 | 0:09:04 | |
"Well, actually, how did they do it, or they do it?" | 0:09:04 | 0:09:06 | |
Because there wasn't any "they" behind us to do it. | 0:09:06 | 0:09:10 | |
And when I look back, I can look at some music and I go, | 0:09:10 | 0:09:13 | |
Do you know what? I'd be proud to do that today. | 0:09:13 | 0:09:16 | |
And you look at others and go, | 0:09:16 | 0:09:17 | |
yeah, went slightly... slightly wrong there. | 0:09:17 | 0:09:20 | |
40 years ago, it wasn't just keyboard wizards like Rick Wakeman | 0:09:24 | 0:09:28 | |
who were changing the sound of song with the synth. | 0:09:28 | 0:09:31 | |
In Germany, a group dressed like stockbrokers | 0:09:31 | 0:09:34 | |
was using the instrument in a much more minimal way. | 0:09:34 | 0:09:37 | |
MUSIC: Autobahn by Kraftwerk | 0:09:37 | 0:09:41 | |
In 1974, Kraftwerk put out a piece of conceptual music | 0:09:53 | 0:09:57 | |
to rival anything by Yes. | 0:09:57 | 0:10:00 | |
Running the whole 22 and a half minutes of one side of an LP, | 0:10:00 | 0:10:03 | |
Autobahn was music for driving down the motorway to. | 0:10:03 | 0:10:07 | |
Kraftwerk co-founder Ralf Hutter hoped it would help us discover | 0:10:07 | 0:10:12 | |
our car was a musical instrument. | 0:10:12 | 0:10:14 | |
Kraftwerk were enthusiastic drivers | 0:10:20 | 0:10:23 | |
and the inspiration for Autobahn | 0:10:23 | 0:10:25 | |
came from a real life journey they took in their VW Beetle. | 0:10:25 | 0:10:29 | |
The band's Florian Schneider said, | 0:10:30 | 0:10:32 | |
"We came off the Autobahn after a long ride | 0:10:32 | 0:10:35 | |
"and when we came in to play, we had this speed in our music." | 0:10:35 | 0:10:39 | |
The sound of the Moog mimicked the feel of a road trip - | 0:10:39 | 0:10:42 | |
the shimmering, gliding notes mirroring the car | 0:10:42 | 0:10:46 | |
as it drives through the city streets, | 0:10:46 | 0:10:48 | |
anticipation mounting as it moves towards its destination - | 0:10:48 | 0:10:52 | |
the Autobahn. | 0:10:52 | 0:10:53 | |
Kraftwerk loved their Beetles | 0:11:04 | 0:11:07 | |
and they had this real thing about | 0:11:07 | 0:11:09 | |
the car and man being in a kind of mechanical harmony with each other. | 0:11:09 | 0:11:15 | |
And I have to say, driving a Beetle, | 0:11:15 | 0:11:17 | |
you really do feel like you're part of the mechanics. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:19 | |
It's quite hard work, | 0:11:19 | 0:11:21 | |
both turning and moving the gears. | 0:11:21 | 0:11:24 | |
But it feels like the real thing. | 0:11:24 | 0:11:27 | |
Kraftwerk on the radio, | 0:11:27 | 0:11:29 | |
this sensation of driving a Beetle | 0:11:29 | 0:11:31 | |
- it's pure 1974. | 0:11:31 | 0:11:34 | |
They caught it in that music. | 0:11:34 | 0:11:35 | |
Then, at around the three-minute mark, | 0:11:46 | 0:11:48 | |
as most traditional songs would be winding down through the gears, | 0:11:48 | 0:11:52 | |
we hit the motorway - | 0:11:52 | 0:11:53 | |
and a new melody, packed full of hope, takes over. | 0:11:53 | 0:11:56 | |
A rare non-electronic instrument makes an appearance, | 0:11:56 | 0:12:00 | |
reflecting the lush countryside, passing by in a blur. | 0:12:00 | 0:12:04 | |
1974, of course, new music technology was pretty pricey. | 0:12:12 | 0:12:16 | |
I think it's brilliant that Kraftwerk paid about | 0:12:16 | 0:12:18 | |
the same amount of money for their first Beetle | 0:12:18 | 0:12:21 | |
as they paid for their first synthesiser. | 0:12:21 | 0:12:23 | |
Kraftwerk were interested in creating something completely new - | 0:12:26 | 0:12:29 | |
something specifically German. | 0:12:29 | 0:12:32 | |
Although they can't help cheekily referencing | 0:12:32 | 0:12:34 | |
the ultimate American pop group - The Beach Boys. | 0:12:34 | 0:12:37 | |
The song's lyrics conjure up | 0:12:37 | 0:12:39 | |
a sunny Californian world of "fun, fun, fun" | 0:12:39 | 0:12:42 | |
and the chorus echoes their hit, Barbara Ann. | 0:12:42 | 0:12:45 | |
# Bar-bar-bar Bar-Barbara Ann... # | 0:12:45 | 0:12:48 | |
# Fun fun fun auf der Autobahn | 0:12:48 | 0:12:51 | |
# Fun fun fun auf der Autobahn. # | 0:12:51 | 0:12:53 | |
Of course, no motorway driving is all "fun, fun, fun" | 0:13:06 | 0:13:09 | |
and the synth sound takes on a much darker, more chaotic feel to it, | 0:13:09 | 0:13:13 | |
as the road fills up with big trucks and cars, | 0:13:13 | 0:13:17 | |
whooshing past, | 0:13:17 | 0:13:19 | |
beeping their horns at the slow-moving Beetle. | 0:13:19 | 0:13:22 | |
It's a scenario anybody would recognise | 0:13:22 | 0:13:24 | |
who'd ever driven on the M25. | 0:13:24 | 0:13:26 | |
Night falls, | 0:13:31 | 0:13:32 | |
and in the final section of the song, | 0:13:32 | 0:13:34 | |
a drum machine, playing a 4/4 rhythm, kicks in. | 0:13:34 | 0:13:37 | |
This beat, that the band dubbed "Motorik", | 0:13:39 | 0:13:42 | |
would become the engine of much of their subsequent music. | 0:13:42 | 0:13:45 | |
Autobahn struck a chord far beyond the busy arteries of Dusseldorf - | 0:13:47 | 0:13:51 | |
it became a worldwide hit, even finding a following | 0:13:51 | 0:13:54 | |
on the dance floors of Manhattan. | 0:13:54 | 0:13:56 | |
The glamour of disco and the Teutonic aloofness of Kraftwerk | 0:13:59 | 0:14:03 | |
appear to be worlds apart... | 0:14:03 | 0:14:05 | |
..but they shared a devotion to the never ending 4/4 beat. | 0:14:07 | 0:14:11 | |
Dancers just couldn't get enough. | 0:14:13 | 0:14:16 | |
However, there was a problem. | 0:14:21 | 0:14:23 | |
In the early days of disco, | 0:14:23 | 0:14:25 | |
DJs were bound by the limitations of the 45 single. | 0:14:25 | 0:14:28 | |
It may have been the perfect format for the three-minute pop song, | 0:14:28 | 0:14:31 | |
but you got through an awful lot of them | 0:14:31 | 0:14:33 | |
to keep people dancing into the small hours. | 0:14:33 | 0:14:35 | |
The old sound of song was simply too short. | 0:14:35 | 0:14:40 | |
MUSIC: Back Stabbers by The O'Jays | 0:14:40 | 0:14:44 | |
Disco was about to instigate a radical shift | 0:14:48 | 0:14:51 | |
in how the song was created. | 0:14:51 | 0:14:53 | |
You know, two and a half minutes would go by and all of a sudden, | 0:14:54 | 0:14:57 | |
you would hear this other song come in and... | 0:14:57 | 0:15:01 | |
if it didn't work exactly right, | 0:15:01 | 0:15:04 | |
then most people would get off the floor. | 0:15:04 | 0:15:07 | |
And me - I was already up and I'm saying, | 0:15:07 | 0:15:11 | |
"Why can't we, like, go higher?" | 0:15:11 | 0:15:14 | |
Because you could tell people were liking it. | 0:15:14 | 0:15:17 | |
Tom Moulton was a New York model turned producer. | 0:15:17 | 0:15:21 | |
His experiences in the discos of the early 1970s | 0:15:21 | 0:15:24 | |
led him to think up a radical solution | 0:15:24 | 0:15:26 | |
to give people more time to dance. | 0:15:26 | 0:15:29 | |
That's when I got the idea to... | 0:15:30 | 0:15:33 | |
make things longer. | 0:15:33 | 0:15:35 | |
MUSIC: Never Can Say Goodbye by Gloria Gaynor | 0:15:35 | 0:15:38 | |
Tom's idea was to remix the songs he was hearing, | 0:15:38 | 0:15:42 | |
extending elements like the instrumental bridge, | 0:15:42 | 0:15:45 | |
to suit the needs of the dancers. | 0:15:45 | 0:15:47 | |
One of the first artists to receive a "Tom Moulton Mix" | 0:15:48 | 0:15:52 | |
was an emerging singer called Gloria Gaynor. | 0:15:52 | 0:15:55 | |
He extended and mixed together three songs | 0:15:55 | 0:15:57 | |
across one side of her 1975 album, | 0:15:57 | 0:16:00 | |
Never Can Say Goodbye. | 0:16:00 | 0:16:02 | |
A remix is taking the multi-track, | 0:16:07 | 0:16:09 | |
which you have a bass on one track, | 0:16:09 | 0:16:12 | |
a kick on another - meaning a bass drum - | 0:16:12 | 0:16:14 | |
and then have a guitar track then you have the strings, | 0:16:14 | 0:16:17 | |
you have the background vocals and you have the lead singer. | 0:16:17 | 0:16:20 | |
So, by taking that combination, | 0:16:20 | 0:16:23 | |
you're putting it together the way you feel. | 0:16:23 | 0:16:27 | |
If it makes me move emotionally, | 0:16:28 | 0:16:31 | |
then I'm on the right path. | 0:16:31 | 0:16:34 | |
That's a remix. | 0:16:34 | 0:16:35 | |
The song was no longer | 0:16:36 | 0:16:37 | |
the product of a group of musicians and a producer. | 0:16:37 | 0:16:40 | |
In some cases, the recording was just the beginning of the story. | 0:16:40 | 0:16:44 | |
The real magic happened after the band had left the building. | 0:16:44 | 0:16:47 | |
And it wasn't just the dancers who benefitted from Tom's remixes. | 0:16:49 | 0:16:53 | |
People were always complaining to DJs, like... | 0:16:53 | 0:16:56 | |
You know, I just wish something I could put on | 0:16:57 | 0:17:00 | |
where I could go to the bathroom, | 0:17:00 | 0:17:02 | |
or take a lunch break and I went... Oh, OK. | 0:17:02 | 0:17:04 | |
I'll just...you know? | 0:17:04 | 0:17:06 | |
I'm working on Gloria Gaynor now, just put the three songs together | 0:17:06 | 0:17:10 | |
and put a lot of instrumentation and make it a whole thing. | 0:17:10 | 0:17:13 | |
And everybody thought that was so brilliant and I said, | 0:17:13 | 0:17:15 | |
"Yeah, but I did it for the DJs, so they could go to the bathroom | 0:17:15 | 0:17:18 | |
"or have a smoke break or something. | 0:17:18 | 0:17:20 | |
"Oh, is that it?" And I go, "Yeah, why?" | 0:17:20 | 0:17:22 | |
But there was a potential issue here. | 0:17:28 | 0:17:30 | |
With the increase in instrumentation in these songs, | 0:17:30 | 0:17:33 | |
what happened to the singer - the star? | 0:17:33 | 0:17:35 | |
What was Gloria's reaction? | 0:17:37 | 0:17:39 | |
Oh, God. I remember that like it was yesterday. | 0:17:39 | 0:17:42 | |
I went over to Jay's - J Ellis, he was her manager - | 0:17:42 | 0:17:46 | |
and he said, OK, you've finished it in the studio, let me hear it. | 0:17:46 | 0:17:50 | |
I said, "OK". So he put it on, he goes, "Gloria, come on in here." | 0:17:50 | 0:17:54 | |
OK, so she's standing there and we listen to the whole thing. | 0:17:54 | 0:17:59 | |
And so Jay goes, "Gloria, what do you think?" | 0:17:59 | 0:18:03 | |
"I don't sing much." | 0:18:04 | 0:18:05 | |
I almost died! | 0:18:06 | 0:18:08 | |
I almost died. | 0:18:08 | 0:18:11 | |
I didn't know... I said, | 0:18:11 | 0:18:13 | |
"Well, Gloria, the reason I did it that way..." | 0:18:13 | 0:18:16 | |
And I thought, I can't tell her... | 0:18:16 | 0:18:18 | |
I can't tell her I made your record sound like that | 0:18:18 | 0:18:21 | |
where you don't sing much so the DJ could go to the bathroom. | 0:18:21 | 0:18:24 | |
Well, that's not saying much for her and... | 0:18:24 | 0:18:27 | |
I said... | 0:18:27 | 0:18:29 | |
"Gloria, all you've got to do is brush up on your dance steps(!)" | 0:18:29 | 0:18:33 | |
I didn't know what to say! | 0:18:33 | 0:18:34 | |
Despite her reservations, | 0:18:36 | 0:18:38 | |
Tom Moulton's remixes for Never Can Say Goodbye | 0:18:38 | 0:18:41 | |
provided Gloria Gaynor with her breakthrough album. | 0:18:41 | 0:18:44 | |
She went on to become the Queen of Disco | 0:18:44 | 0:18:46 | |
and quickly learned how to dance. | 0:18:46 | 0:18:49 | |
Once a style icon, | 0:18:49 | 0:18:51 | |
Tom Moulton was now setting musical trends. | 0:18:51 | 0:18:54 | |
He invented the 12 inch single, | 0:18:54 | 0:18:56 | |
the remix, and pioneered the art of the continuous mix. | 0:18:56 | 0:19:00 | |
He helped shape much of the dance music that was to come. | 0:19:00 | 0:19:03 | |
Disco itself wouldn't outlive the decade, | 0:19:04 | 0:19:07 | |
but its influence was to continue into a new era. | 0:19:07 | 0:19:10 | |
And one song in particular, from 1979, illustrates this - | 0:19:10 | 0:19:15 | |
Chic's Good Times. | 0:19:15 | 0:19:17 | |
MUSIC: Good Times by Chic | 0:19:17 | 0:19:20 | |
Good Times perfected the disco formula. | 0:19:27 | 0:19:30 | |
Nile Rodgers' insistent guitar | 0:19:30 | 0:19:32 | |
and Bernard Edwards' addictive bass line | 0:19:32 | 0:19:34 | |
got so far under the skin | 0:19:34 | 0:19:36 | |
that musicians just couldn't keep their hands off them. | 0:19:36 | 0:19:38 | |
Queen's bass player John Deacon | 0:19:43 | 0:19:45 | |
borrowed the bass line for their number one hit, | 0:19:45 | 0:19:47 | |
Another One Bites The Dust. | 0:19:47 | 0:19:49 | |
MUSIC: Another One Bites The Dust by Queen | 0:19:49 | 0:19:52 | |
So now, you could break a song down to its constituent elements | 0:20:00 | 0:20:04 | |
and use those elements to create something new. | 0:20:04 | 0:20:07 | |
Good Times was also the basis for the very first record | 0:20:11 | 0:20:14 | |
to come out of a new music scene | 0:20:14 | 0:20:16 | |
that had been emerging in some of the poorest boroughs of New York. | 0:20:16 | 0:20:20 | |
MUSIC: Rapper's Delight by The Sugar Hill Gang | 0:20:20 | 0:20:23 | |
The Sugar Hill Gang's 1979 hit, Rapper's Delight | 0:20:23 | 0:20:27 | |
added another startling element to the mix - | 0:20:27 | 0:20:30 | |
spoken or chanted rhymes, | 0:20:30 | 0:20:32 | |
that became known as rap. | 0:20:32 | 0:20:35 | |
# I said a hip hop Hippie to the hippie | 0:20:35 | 0:20:37 | |
# The hip, hip a hop and you don't stop, a rock it out | 0:20:37 | 0:20:39 | |
# To the boogie bang bang The boogie to the boogie, the beat | 0:20:39 | 0:20:43 | |
# Now, what you hear is not a test | 0:20:43 | 0:20:45 | |
# I'm rappin' to the beat | 0:20:45 | 0:20:47 | |
# And me, the groove, and my friends Are gonna try to move your feet | 0:20:47 | 0:20:51 | |
# You see, I am Wonder Mike And I'd like to say hello | 0:20:51 | 0:20:55 | |
# To the black... # | 0:20:55 | 0:20:56 | |
Recorded in a single 15 minute take, this, | 0:20:56 | 0:20:59 | |
like many early rap songs, was partly improvised. | 0:20:59 | 0:21:03 | |
It reminds me of another African-American innovation - | 0:21:03 | 0:21:05 | |
Louis Armstrong's scat singing. | 0:21:05 | 0:21:08 | |
LOUIS ARMSTRONG SCATS | 0:21:08 | 0:21:11 | |
SUGAR HILL GANG SCATS | 0:21:14 | 0:21:19 | |
The rapper wasn't the only star | 0:21:19 | 0:21:21 | |
in this world that became known as hip-hop. | 0:21:21 | 0:21:24 | |
This was a form of music | 0:21:24 | 0:21:26 | |
built around the dazzling skills of the DJ. | 0:21:26 | 0:21:29 | |
In the late '70s and early '80s, | 0:21:32 | 0:21:34 | |
in places like New York's East River Park, | 0:21:34 | 0:21:36 | |
something revolutionary was happening. | 0:21:36 | 0:21:39 | |
People who had little access to traditional musical instruments | 0:21:39 | 0:21:42 | |
were creating something remarkable, | 0:21:42 | 0:21:44 | |
using just two turn tables | 0:21:44 | 0:21:46 | |
and their record collections. | 0:21:46 | 0:21:48 | |
This early scene was captured in the film, Wild Style. | 0:21:48 | 0:21:52 | |
DJs like Grandmaster Flash used small snatches of their records, | 0:22:00 | 0:22:04 | |
looping and scratching them to suit the needs of the dancers. | 0:22:04 | 0:22:08 | |
Hank Shocklee, a young DJ from Long Island, New York, | 0:22:10 | 0:22:13 | |
was one of the pioneers of this new form. | 0:22:13 | 0:22:17 | |
In the hip-hop world, | 0:22:17 | 0:22:19 | |
we wanted to have our own sonic signature | 0:22:19 | 0:22:22 | |
that was different from the DJs that were playing records... | 0:22:22 | 0:22:27 | |
That was playing like, the whole record, all the way through. | 0:22:27 | 0:22:30 | |
# The Grand...Master...Flash! # | 0:22:30 | 0:22:35 | |
Grandmaster Flash and all these guys, | 0:22:35 | 0:22:37 | |
they were just playing these little parts of the record. | 0:22:37 | 0:22:41 | |
And the little breaks of the record, | 0:22:41 | 0:22:44 | |
they would just play for a long period of time. | 0:22:44 | 0:22:46 | |
In the early '80s, Shocklee formed a partnership with rapper Chuck D, | 0:22:49 | 0:22:53 | |
becoming a producer of Public Enemy. | 0:22:53 | 0:22:56 | |
MUSIC: Don't Believe The Hype by Public Enemy | 0:22:56 | 0:23:01 | |
# Back Caught you lookin' for the same thing | 0:23:02 | 0:23:05 | |
# It's a new thing Check out this I bring | 0:23:05 | 0:23:07 | |
# Uh-oh, the roll below the level | 0:23:07 | 0:23:09 | |
# Because I'm livin' low Next to the bass, come on... # | 0:23:09 | 0:23:11 | |
From the beginning, | 0:23:11 | 0:23:12 | |
they took advantage of a new piece of technology - the sampler - | 0:23:12 | 0:23:16 | |
that allowed them to use other people's music in their recordings. | 0:23:16 | 0:23:19 | |
Using this kit, Hank created a rebellious new sound - | 0:23:20 | 0:23:24 | |
and there wasn't a more anti-authority expression | 0:23:24 | 0:23:27 | |
than sampling. | 0:23:27 | 0:23:29 | |
If Public Enemy wanted a sound, they just took it. | 0:23:29 | 0:23:32 | |
MUSIC: Funky Drummer by James Brown | 0:23:32 | 0:23:35 | |
Sampling allowed Public Enemy to use old records | 0:23:36 | 0:23:39 | |
in a much more sophisticated way, | 0:23:39 | 0:23:41 | |
creating songs that were like audio collages. | 0:23:41 | 0:23:45 | |
The artist who made it onto Public Enemy's sampler most often | 0:23:45 | 0:23:48 | |
was James Brown. | 0:23:48 | 0:23:50 | |
The song Funky Drummer was named by Brown, | 0:23:55 | 0:23:57 | |
after the inspired work of his drummer, Clyde Stubblefield. | 0:23:57 | 0:24:02 | |
Hidden amid Brown's grunts and groans | 0:24:02 | 0:24:04 | |
was a two and a half second fragment of clean drums. | 0:24:04 | 0:24:07 | |
But that was quite enough for Hank Shocklee. | 0:24:09 | 0:24:12 | |
I call Funky Drummer "milk". | 0:24:12 | 0:24:14 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:24:14 | 0:24:16 | |
You put milk in everything! | 0:24:16 | 0:24:18 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:24:18 | 0:24:20 | |
Clyde Stubblefield hit on what I consider to be the perfect beat. | 0:24:20 | 0:24:24 | |
And the thing that's so incredible about that beat | 0:24:24 | 0:24:28 | |
is its ghost snares. | 0:24:28 | 0:24:30 | |
What do you call "ghost snares"? | 0:24:31 | 0:24:33 | |
You have the... On the one, two, you have like the... | 0:24:33 | 0:24:37 | |
The thing on the back beat. | 0:24:37 | 0:24:38 | |
And everybody just has that one back beat. | 0:24:38 | 0:24:40 | |
But because he would have the back beat and he would have a lazy... | 0:24:40 | 0:24:45 | |
bringing it off the snare, it would be very lazy, | 0:24:45 | 0:24:48 | |
you get this like, "bumbrrrajaba"! | 0:24:48 | 0:24:50 | |
That right there and... | 0:24:54 | 0:24:55 | |
He keeps going and he keeps doing it, | 0:24:55 | 0:24:58 | |
you get this percussive thing that's happening, | 0:24:58 | 0:25:01 | |
but it's not percussion, it's snare. | 0:25:01 | 0:25:04 | |
And it gives... Everything that we put that in, it gave it a lift. | 0:25:04 | 0:25:09 | |
That extra little ccrrrttit-tit-ta! | 0:25:09 | 0:25:12 | |
Gave it that extra... That little extra... | 0:25:12 | 0:25:15 | |
That extra push that it needed... | 0:25:15 | 0:25:18 | |
to make the record have that...drive. | 0:25:18 | 0:25:22 | |
MUSIC: Rebel Without A Pause by Public Enemy | 0:25:22 | 0:25:25 | |
# Yes - the rhythm, the rebel | 0:25:25 | 0:25:27 | |
# Without a pause, I'm lowering my level... # | 0:25:27 | 0:25:30 | |
Funky Drummer can be heard on the Public Enemy track, | 0:25:30 | 0:25:32 | |
Rebel Without A Pause. | 0:25:32 | 0:25:34 | |
It illustrates brilliantly their approach to building songs, | 0:25:34 | 0:25:37 | |
piling on different sounds and textures. | 0:25:37 | 0:25:41 | |
# Bum rush the sound I made a year ago... # | 0:25:41 | 0:25:44 | |
With Funky Drummer as the bedrock, | 0:25:44 | 0:25:45 | |
Shocklee adds a high-pitched wail - | 0:25:45 | 0:25:48 | |
a trumpet glissando sampled | 0:25:48 | 0:25:49 | |
from another James Brown production, The Grunt. | 0:25:49 | 0:25:52 | |
MUSIC: The Grunt by The JBs | 0:25:52 | 0:25:57 | |
As Funky Drummer briefly drops out, | 0:26:00 | 0:26:03 | |
MOR soft rockers Jefferson Starship step into the breach. | 0:26:03 | 0:26:07 | |
MUSIC: Rock Music by Jefferson Starship | 0:26:07 | 0:26:11 | |
Wedded to Chuck D's powerful rapping, | 0:26:20 | 0:26:23 | |
it was a visceral, physical experience. | 0:26:23 | 0:26:25 | |
PE was not about order. | 0:26:27 | 0:26:29 | |
It was about disorder | 0:26:29 | 0:26:31 | |
and it was about the chaos that's happening all around us, | 0:26:31 | 0:26:35 | |
all the time. | 0:26:35 | 0:26:37 | |
So, with that point particularly, | 0:26:37 | 0:26:39 | |
tell me about Fight The Power. | 0:26:39 | 0:26:40 | |
Fight The Power was an attempt at being... | 0:26:40 | 0:26:44 | |
..very positive - more solution-oriented. | 0:26:46 | 0:26:49 | |
MUSIC: Fight The Power by Public Enemy | 0:26:49 | 0:26:54 | |
# Our freedom of speech is freedom or death | 0:26:54 | 0:26:56 | |
# We got to fight the powers that be | 0:26:56 | 0:26:58 | |
# Fight the power | 0:26:58 | 0:27:00 | |
# Fight the power | 0:27:01 | 0:27:03 | |
# Fight the power... # | 0:27:03 | 0:27:04 | |
Great songs, to me... | 0:27:05 | 0:27:07 | |
If you listen to a lot of bands, | 0:27:07 | 0:27:09 | |
they all build around the singer. | 0:27:09 | 0:27:12 | |
CENSORED LYRICS CONTINUE | 0:27:16 | 0:27:20 | |
# Most of my heroes don't appear on no stamp... # | 0:27:24 | 0:27:27 | |
I give Chuck just the... | 0:27:28 | 0:27:29 | |
I call it the meat, which is just the... | 0:27:29 | 0:27:32 | |
It's our loop of the track, that's over and over. | 0:27:32 | 0:27:36 | |
Nothing spectacular, nothing's done on it. | 0:27:36 | 0:27:40 | |
Just so he can use that as a canvas, | 0:27:40 | 0:27:43 | |
so that he can paint what he sees. | 0:27:43 | 0:27:45 | |
And then, we will organise that in the form of...a song. | 0:27:47 | 0:27:51 | |
Fight The Power was written for the Spike Lee film, Do The Right Thing - | 0:27:53 | 0:27:58 | |
in which it plays a central role. | 0:27:58 | 0:28:00 | |
That film and that track came to symbolise that time. | 0:28:03 | 0:28:07 | |
There is... | 0:28:07 | 0:28:08 | |
There is something extraordinary about it. | 0:28:08 | 0:28:10 | |
At the time, there was a lot of racial tension | 0:28:10 | 0:28:13 | |
that was happening in... | 0:28:13 | 0:28:16 | |
all the inner cities. | 0:28:16 | 0:28:17 | |
PE was the spark that brought back civil rights | 0:28:23 | 0:28:27 | |
in a totally different fashion, | 0:28:27 | 0:28:29 | |
because now, the civil rights wasn't about | 0:28:29 | 0:28:32 | |
whether or not we could sit in the front of the bus | 0:28:32 | 0:28:36 | |
or drink from a water fountain or not. | 0:28:36 | 0:28:38 | |
Now, it was our fight for freedom of expression. | 0:28:38 | 0:28:42 | |
That was the fight of the police violence | 0:28:42 | 0:28:45 | |
that was running supreme in the black communities. | 0:28:45 | 0:28:49 | |
So now... | 0:28:49 | 0:28:52 | |
It offered people that spark of like, | 0:28:52 | 0:28:55 | |
"Yeah, we can do this!" | 0:28:55 | 0:28:57 | |
The boombox that took music | 0:28:59 | 0:29:01 | |
onto the streets of Brooklyn in Do The Right Thing | 0:29:01 | 0:29:03 | |
was a classic piece of lo-fi technology. | 0:29:03 | 0:29:06 | |
Its sound quality wasn't perfect, | 0:29:14 | 0:29:16 | |
but it gave users the freedom to listen to and spread their music | 0:29:16 | 0:29:20 | |
wherever they went. | 0:29:20 | 0:29:21 | |
It would also play a key role | 0:29:22 | 0:29:24 | |
in the creation of one of the most iconic rock songs of the 1980s. | 0:29:24 | 0:29:29 | |
MUSIC: Nebraska by Bruce Springsteen | 0:29:29 | 0:29:32 | |
In 1981, Bruce Springsteen was canoeing up a river | 0:29:37 | 0:29:40 | |
near his home in New Jersey. | 0:29:40 | 0:29:43 | |
Like his contemporaries on the streets of New York, | 0:29:43 | 0:29:45 | |
he liked to take his music with him everywhere | 0:29:45 | 0:29:47 | |
and so, he had his trusty boombox - | 0:29:47 | 0:29:50 | |
even on the water. | 0:29:50 | 0:29:51 | |
On this particular occasion, | 0:29:52 | 0:29:54 | |
somehow, the tape player ended up at the bottom of the muddy river. | 0:29:54 | 0:29:58 | |
Springsteen hauled it out, dried it off and hoped for the best. | 0:30:11 | 0:30:15 | |
The following year, | 0:30:24 | 0:30:25 | |
Springsteen unpacked a brand-new piece of machinery - | 0:30:25 | 0:30:27 | |
an early four-track home recording system, | 0:30:27 | 0:30:30 | |
which frankly, neither he or his roadie really knew how to use. | 0:30:30 | 0:30:33 | |
However, they persevered | 0:30:33 | 0:30:35 | |
and eventually managed to record a whole set of new demos on it. | 0:30:35 | 0:30:40 | |
After the sessions, | 0:30:40 | 0:30:41 | |
Bruce realised he'd got nothing to play those songs out onto, | 0:30:41 | 0:30:44 | |
until he remembered the boombox. | 0:30:44 | 0:30:46 | |
Yes, that boombox. | 0:30:46 | 0:30:49 | |
He switched it on and it magically sprang back to life again. | 0:30:49 | 0:30:52 | |
He then made a master recording of the demos on the tape player. | 0:30:54 | 0:30:58 | |
MUSIC: Reason To Believe by Bruce Springsteen | 0:30:58 | 0:31:01 | |
Springsteen put the resulting cassette in his jeans jacket pocket | 0:31:03 | 0:31:07 | |
and forgot about it. | 0:31:07 | 0:31:08 | |
And there it rattled around for a couple of months, | 0:31:08 | 0:31:11 | |
without even a case to protect it, | 0:31:11 | 0:31:13 | |
eventually making its way to the studio in New York. | 0:31:13 | 0:31:16 | |
In 1982, Springsteen was already well known | 0:31:16 | 0:31:19 | |
for rousing small town anthems like Born To Run, | 0:31:19 | 0:31:23 | |
backed by an enormous wall of sound. | 0:31:23 | 0:31:25 | |
But here, he'd created something new - | 0:31:27 | 0:31:30 | |
rural noir, a raw, unadorned style | 0:31:30 | 0:31:33 | |
that reflected the misfortunes of | 0:31:33 | 0:31:35 | |
his cast of down-on-their-luck characters. | 0:31:35 | 0:31:38 | |
# Now the jury brought in a guilty verdict | 0:31:38 | 0:31:45 | |
# The judge he sentenced me to death... # | 0:31:45 | 0:31:51 | |
One of the first people to hear the wonky-sounding cassette | 0:31:53 | 0:31:57 | |
was his band-mate and producer, Steve Van Zandt. | 0:31:57 | 0:32:00 | |
I said to him, "I have to tell you something. | 0:32:01 | 0:32:05 | |
"This is... | 0:32:06 | 0:32:09 | |
"extraordinary. This is not... | 0:32:09 | 0:32:12 | |
"This is not hitting me as a demo." | 0:32:12 | 0:32:15 | |
You know? He said, "What do you mean?" | 0:32:15 | 0:32:18 | |
I said, "This sounds like a record." | 0:32:18 | 0:32:21 | |
He said, "Nah, I just did it on a cassette with my roadie, here." | 0:32:24 | 0:32:30 | |
I said, "I don't care how you did this." | 0:32:30 | 0:32:32 | |
Maybe because he never intended for it to be released, | 0:32:33 | 0:32:37 | |
it's the most intimate record I've ever heard by anybody. | 0:32:37 | 0:32:41 | |
Springsteen and his band attempted to re-record the demos, | 0:32:42 | 0:32:46 | |
but the recreations, in one of the world's most expensive studios, | 0:32:46 | 0:32:50 | |
somehow failed to capture the rough-hewn magic of the originals. | 0:32:50 | 0:32:55 | |
Instead, Springsteen decided to release the cassette just as it was, | 0:32:55 | 0:32:59 | |
on an LP called Nebraska. | 0:32:59 | 0:33:02 | |
It became obvious at some point that there was something | 0:33:06 | 0:33:09 | |
extraordinary going on with what became Nebraska. | 0:33:09 | 0:33:13 | |
I just felt it was an amazing piece of work, | 0:33:13 | 0:33:16 | |
that I was so glad actually got released. | 0:33:16 | 0:33:19 | |
There was one song from the folky Nebraska sessions | 0:33:20 | 0:33:24 | |
that didn't make it onto the album. | 0:33:24 | 0:33:25 | |
MUSIC: Born In The USA (Acoustic) by Bruce Springsteen | 0:33:25 | 0:33:28 | |
Another bleak story, | 0:33:28 | 0:33:29 | |
this time about the fortunes of a Vietnam veteran. | 0:33:29 | 0:33:32 | |
But Bruce heard the potential | 0:33:40 | 0:33:42 | |
to make it a much bigger-sounding record. | 0:33:42 | 0:33:45 | |
Born in the USA came out a couple of years later, | 0:33:45 | 0:33:48 | |
in a rather different form. | 0:33:48 | 0:33:49 | |
Out went that mournful lo-fi recording, | 0:33:49 | 0:33:52 | |
in came a rather minimal chord structure | 0:33:52 | 0:33:54 | |
and one of the most memorable synth lines in all of pop history. | 0:33:54 | 0:33:59 | |
MUSIC: Born In The USA | 0:33:59 | 0:34:02 | |
MUSIC: Born In The USA by Bruce Springsteen | 0:34:07 | 0:34:09 | |
Keyboard player Roy Bittan was playing one of these - | 0:34:10 | 0:34:13 | |
it's a Yamaha CS-80, big old beast, weighs a tonne, | 0:34:13 | 0:34:17 | |
cost about eight grand to buy back in the day, as I remember - | 0:34:17 | 0:34:21 | |
but has a vast amount of controllability. | 0:34:21 | 0:34:23 | |
I mean, look this section along here. | 0:34:23 | 0:34:27 | |
The sound they got on it was part sort of Oriental, | 0:34:27 | 0:34:29 | |
part military trumpet, | 0:34:29 | 0:34:31 | |
all '80s. | 0:34:31 | 0:34:33 | |
Add to that a devastating snare drum sound | 0:34:33 | 0:34:36 | |
with so much reverb on it, | 0:34:36 | 0:34:37 | |
it sounded like bombs dropping and you basically have | 0:34:37 | 0:34:39 | |
a recording that pummels the listener into submission. | 0:34:39 | 0:34:43 | |
# Born in the USA | 0:34:43 | 0:34:46 | |
# I was born in the USA | 0:34:46 | 0:34:50 | |
# I was born in the USA | 0:34:50 | 0:34:55 | |
# Born in the USA... # | 0:34:55 | 0:34:58 | |
With the chorus hitting so hard, | 0:34:59 | 0:35:02 | |
the song's powerful message was hidden in the verses. | 0:35:02 | 0:35:06 | |
That tale of a man hitting rock bottom | 0:35:06 | 0:35:09 | |
after returning from the Vietnam war, | 0:35:09 | 0:35:11 | |
which had been so affecting in the original demo... | 0:35:11 | 0:35:14 | |
It was still there, | 0:35:14 | 0:35:15 | |
only it had been completely overwhelmed by the production. | 0:35:15 | 0:35:19 | |
# Come back home to the refinery | 0:35:19 | 0:35:23 | |
# Hiring man said "Son, if it was up to me" | 0:35:23 | 0:35:28 | |
# Went down to see my VA man | 0:35:28 | 0:35:31 | |
# He said "Son, don't you understand?" # | 0:35:31 | 0:35:36 | |
The pumped up sound and the pumped up appearance of Springsteen | 0:35:36 | 0:35:40 | |
gave many people the impression | 0:35:40 | 0:35:42 | |
that what they were hearing was a pro-USA anthem. | 0:35:42 | 0:35:46 | |
President Reagan even adopted the song - without permission - | 0:35:46 | 0:35:50 | |
for his 1984 re-election campaign. | 0:35:50 | 0:35:52 | |
Then, in late 1984, the hit album was chosen | 0:35:55 | 0:35:58 | |
as the first CD to be manufactured in the USA. | 0:35:58 | 0:36:03 | |
The patriotic symbolism of the title song | 0:36:03 | 0:36:05 | |
and the huge '80s production sound | 0:36:05 | 0:36:08 | |
made it the perfect candidate to launch this new format in America. | 0:36:08 | 0:36:11 | |
The compact disc was the biggest sonic revolution | 0:36:16 | 0:36:19 | |
since magnetic tape. | 0:36:19 | 0:36:21 | |
It introduced the public to the idea of digital music for the first time. | 0:36:21 | 0:36:26 | |
CDs were presented as delivering | 0:36:26 | 0:36:28 | |
"perfect sound forever" | 0:36:28 | 0:36:30 | |
and the allure of crackly old vinyl | 0:36:30 | 0:36:32 | |
was quickly tarnished by this buff new format. | 0:36:32 | 0:36:35 | |
What was your feeling about hearing it on CD, as against on vinyl? | 0:36:35 | 0:36:39 | |
It was shit, like all CDs. | 0:36:39 | 0:36:42 | |
Brittle and thin and...horrible. | 0:36:43 | 0:36:47 | |
MUSIC: Brick Is Red by Pixies | 0:36:47 | 0:36:50 | |
The actual reason that CDs were favoured over vinyl | 0:36:50 | 0:36:55 | |
never had to do with sound quality. | 0:36:55 | 0:36:59 | |
The principal advantage to compact discs | 0:37:04 | 0:37:06 | |
was that they were more convenient than LPs. | 0:37:06 | 0:37:09 | |
Like, you could put more music on them, | 0:37:09 | 0:37:11 | |
you could carry them around easier, you could play them in a car. | 0:37:11 | 0:37:14 | |
The manufacturing costs, in bulk, were dramatically lower than LPs, | 0:37:14 | 0:37:19 | |
yet you could sell them for more, at a higher retail price, | 0:37:19 | 0:37:23 | |
so the profit margin on them for the record labels was astronomical. | 0:37:23 | 0:37:26 | |
Record labels made an absolute killing during the CD era. | 0:37:26 | 0:37:29 | |
MUSIC: November Rain by Guns N' Roses | 0:37:29 | 0:37:32 | |
What the CD did offer was clean, noiseless sound. | 0:37:32 | 0:37:35 | |
This was reflected in the huge, | 0:37:35 | 0:37:36 | |
slickly produced rock songs of the day. | 0:37:36 | 0:37:39 | |
Everything got bigger - | 0:37:39 | 0:37:41 | |
the sound, the profits, even the hair. | 0:37:41 | 0:37:44 | |
MUSIC: Here I Go Again by Whitesnake | 0:37:44 | 0:37:47 | |
# Goin' down the only road I've ever known.. # | 0:37:49 | 0:37:52 | |
In the history of recorded song, | 0:37:55 | 0:37:57 | |
each new sonic revolution has been seen as a progression. | 0:37:57 | 0:38:01 | |
But, for the first time, some were beginning to question this. | 0:38:01 | 0:38:04 | |
MUSIC: Smells Like Teen Spirit by Nirvana | 0:38:04 | 0:38:07 | |
Musicians were asking whether the embrace of all new technology | 0:38:07 | 0:38:10 | |
was necessarily a good thing for their song-writing... | 0:38:10 | 0:38:12 | |
..including the biggest rock band of the day. | 0:38:15 | 0:38:18 | |
Nirvana were unhappy with the way their record label | 0:38:22 | 0:38:24 | |
had remixed their 1991 album, Nevermind, | 0:38:24 | 0:38:28 | |
to make it more commercial-sounding. | 0:38:28 | 0:38:30 | |
MUSIC: Come As You Are by Nirvana | 0:38:30 | 0:38:33 | |
# Soaked in bleach As I want you to be... # | 0:38:34 | 0:38:36 | |
For the follow up, In Utero, they were determined to produce a record | 0:38:36 | 0:38:40 | |
that stayed true to their raw punk sound. | 0:38:40 | 0:38:43 | |
And they knew exactly who to turn to - | 0:38:43 | 0:38:46 | |
producer Steve Albini. | 0:38:46 | 0:38:48 | |
The band were fans of some of the records that I'd recorded. | 0:38:49 | 0:38:54 | |
So when they contacted me... | 0:38:54 | 0:38:55 | |
The first thing that Kurt said was that he liked the Pixies album | 0:38:55 | 0:38:59 | |
and wanted to make a record with a similar sound quality. | 0:38:59 | 0:39:03 | |
Most of my effort is expended in | 0:39:03 | 0:39:06 | |
trying to make an accurate recording, | 0:39:06 | 0:39:09 | |
rather than trying to manipulate the sound | 0:39:09 | 0:39:12 | |
that comes into the studio with the band. | 0:39:12 | 0:39:14 | |
MUSIC: All Apologies (Demo) by Nirvana | 0:39:14 | 0:39:17 | |
Albini's approach was to let the band control the creative decisions, | 0:39:19 | 0:39:24 | |
allowing songs to develop organically | 0:39:24 | 0:39:26 | |
during the recording sessions. | 0:39:26 | 0:39:28 | |
I think principal recording was done in six or seven days. | 0:39:29 | 0:39:32 | |
Over the course of an evening, basically, | 0:39:33 | 0:39:36 | |
Kurt sang the whole album. | 0:39:36 | 0:39:38 | |
For a lot of the vocal recording, | 0:39:38 | 0:39:40 | |
he would have a somewhat broken acoustic guitar | 0:39:40 | 0:39:42 | |
that he would just strum along with. | 0:39:42 | 0:39:44 | |
And for example, the acoustic guitar that you hear on the record... | 0:39:44 | 0:39:48 | |
..that was just the guitar that was sitting on his lap, | 0:39:50 | 0:39:52 | |
that he was sort of strumming along while he was singing. | 0:39:52 | 0:39:55 | |
It wasn't a separate recording... | 0:39:55 | 0:39:57 | |
I don't know that the band intended to have | 0:39:57 | 0:39:59 | |
an acoustic guitar on the record, | 0:39:59 | 0:40:01 | |
but he was more comfortable singing while he was strumming a guitar | 0:40:01 | 0:40:04 | |
and so, that made its way onto the record. | 0:40:04 | 0:40:07 | |
The guitar at the beginning of the song Rape Me | 0:40:07 | 0:40:09 | |
directly references Nirvana's biggest hit - | 0:40:09 | 0:40:12 | |
Smells Like Teen Spirit. | 0:40:12 | 0:40:15 | |
MUSIC: Rape Me by Nirvana | 0:40:15 | 0:40:18 | |
# Rape me | 0:40:19 | 0:40:22 | |
# Rape me, my friend... # | 0:40:23 | 0:40:26 | |
It's an ironic musical nod to the song that had made the band - | 0:40:26 | 0:40:30 | |
a song that had brought enormous success, | 0:40:30 | 0:40:32 | |
but which Cobain was now reacting against with their new compositions. | 0:40:32 | 0:40:36 | |
MUSIC: Heart-Shaped Box by Nirvana | 0:40:36 | 0:40:38 | |
# Hey, wait, I got a new complaint | 0:40:38 | 0:40:42 | |
# Forever in debt to your priceless advice | 0:40:42 | 0:40:46 | |
# Hey, wait... # | 0:40:46 | 0:40:49 | |
12 days, done and dusted, everybody left happy. | 0:40:49 | 0:40:53 | |
I didn't do anything special or magic on that session. | 0:40:53 | 0:40:56 | |
All the special magic walked in with the band. | 0:40:56 | 0:40:59 | |
Nirvana returned to Seattle, | 0:41:00 | 0:41:02 | |
having recorded their album the way they wanted, | 0:41:02 | 0:41:04 | |
capturing the essence of their sound | 0:41:04 | 0:41:06 | |
without the glossy finish of Nevermind. | 0:41:06 | 0:41:09 | |
But not everybody was happy with the results. | 0:41:09 | 0:41:12 | |
Kurt called me and told me that | 0:41:12 | 0:41:13 | |
everyone he played the record to hated it. | 0:41:13 | 0:41:16 | |
There were millions of dollars riding on it. | 0:41:16 | 0:41:18 | |
There were countless people whose livelihoods were depending | 0:41:18 | 0:41:21 | |
on Nirvana's next record | 0:41:21 | 0:41:23 | |
and all of those people were telling them they were making a mistake. | 0:41:23 | 0:41:26 | |
People in the administrative side of that record label | 0:41:26 | 0:41:29 | |
and in their management company | 0:41:29 | 0:41:31 | |
were talking to the press | 0:41:31 | 0:41:33 | |
and bad rapping me, | 0:41:33 | 0:41:35 | |
saying that this record is terrible, it's all Albini's fault, | 0:41:35 | 0:41:38 | |
they need to do it all again but they're being stubborn - | 0:41:38 | 0:41:40 | |
that sort of thing. | 0:41:40 | 0:41:42 | |
They were trying to generate a kind of public pressure on Nirvana, | 0:41:42 | 0:41:46 | |
to get them to play along with their plan - | 0:41:46 | 0:41:51 | |
the plan of redoing the record in a more conventional way. | 0:41:51 | 0:41:54 | |
And, you know, I think it's remarkable that the band - | 0:41:54 | 0:41:58 | |
in the position that they were in | 0:41:58 | 0:41:59 | |
under the pressure that they were under - | 0:41:59 | 0:42:02 | |
that they chose to put the record out the way they wanted to. | 0:42:02 | 0:42:04 | |
Nirvana were ultimately vindicated. | 0:42:07 | 0:42:09 | |
In Utero went on to sell 15 million copies. | 0:42:09 | 0:42:13 | |
Not bad for an old-fashioned recording. | 0:42:13 | 0:42:16 | |
Yet all Steve Albini and Nirvana's efforts | 0:42:20 | 0:42:22 | |
meant nothing in the pop world. | 0:42:22 | 0:42:24 | |
Throughout the 1990s, | 0:42:24 | 0:42:25 | |
studios eagerly embraced digital recording techniques, | 0:42:25 | 0:42:29 | |
giving even more power to the producers. | 0:42:29 | 0:42:32 | |
# No matter how hard I try | 0:42:37 | 0:42:40 | |
# You keep pushing me aside and I can't break through | 0:42:41 | 0:42:46 | |
# There's no talking to you. | 0:42:46 | 0:42:50 | |
# It's so sad... # | 0:42:50 | 0:42:51 | |
This classic pop song sounds like it could have been written | 0:42:51 | 0:42:54 | |
at any time since the days of Tin Pan Alley. | 0:42:54 | 0:42:57 | |
But when Cher recorded Believe in 1998, | 0:42:59 | 0:43:02 | |
classic pop writing met with a new piece of technology | 0:43:02 | 0:43:05 | |
that had a startling effect on the sound of song | 0:43:05 | 0:43:08 | |
and created one of the biggest hits of the decade. | 0:43:08 | 0:43:12 | |
MUSIC: Believe by Cher | 0:43:12 | 0:43:16 | |
# I really don't think you're strong enough, no.. # | 0:43:16 | 0:43:20 | |
Producer Bruno Ellingham has recreated Cher's track for us | 0:43:21 | 0:43:25 | |
with singer Patricia Hammond, using some magical digital tools. | 0:43:25 | 0:43:31 | |
# I really don't think you're strong enough, no. # | 0:43:31 | 0:43:34 | |
-Great stuff, thank you very much. -That was great. | 0:43:37 | 0:43:40 | |
So what we're trying to do is to find out what happened | 0:43:40 | 0:43:43 | |
when Believe was created - | 0:43:43 | 0:43:45 | |
and to do that, we've started off... | 0:43:45 | 0:43:47 | |
You've recorded me and Patricia, our singer, yes? | 0:43:47 | 0:43:50 | |
-Yes, shall I play that for you? -Yes, please. | 0:43:50 | 0:43:53 | |
PLAYBACK | 0:43:53 | 0:43:55 | |
# No matter how hard I try... # | 0:43:55 | 0:43:57 | |
Our contributions to the song are now digital files, | 0:43:58 | 0:44:02 | |
recorded and played back through the software. | 0:44:02 | 0:44:05 | |
Digital recording has been around since the 1980s, | 0:44:05 | 0:44:08 | |
but by 1998, the software had become much more sophisticated. | 0:44:08 | 0:44:12 | |
It works very well as a traditional... | 0:44:14 | 0:44:16 | |
Surprisingly well, isn't it? | 0:44:16 | 0:44:18 | |
# You're gonna be the lonely one, oh | 0:44:20 | 0:44:24 | |
# Do you believe in life after love? # | 0:44:24 | 0:44:27 | |
So, what have you added that's from the Cher version? | 0:44:29 | 0:44:32 | |
If I just play that same section again, | 0:44:32 | 0:44:35 | |
I'll just slowly bring some elements in. | 0:44:35 | 0:44:37 | |
Fantastic. | 0:44:37 | 0:44:38 | |
PLAYBACK | 0:44:38 | 0:44:41 | |
-Now, there's our pad... -..which instantly puts it in that space. | 0:44:41 | 0:44:45 | |
SYNTHS LAYER ONTO PLAYBACK | 0:44:45 | 0:44:48 | |
The drums and the bass there... | 0:44:50 | 0:44:53 | |
Fade your piano out... | 0:44:53 | 0:44:55 | |
The major impact on how music is now created | 0:44:59 | 0:45:02 | |
is the ease with which this way of working allows a producer like Bruno | 0:45:02 | 0:45:07 | |
to alter fundamental elements of the song. | 0:45:07 | 0:45:10 | |
In the digital world, everything can be manipulated. | 0:45:10 | 0:45:13 | |
-So very rapidly... -We're getting there. | 0:45:17 | 0:45:19 | |
-..we've turned from the simple piano... -Absolutely. | 0:45:19 | 0:45:23 | |
And the voice is sounding different because of what's there, | 0:45:23 | 0:45:26 | |
but actually, there's something still missing, isn't there? | 0:45:26 | 0:45:28 | |
-There is. -There's something in there that is with Cher's voice | 0:45:28 | 0:45:31 | |
-that we haven't got with Patricia, our singer. -Yes. -What might that be? | 0:45:31 | 0:45:34 | |
-Well, this is our fantastic autotune here. -Oh. | 0:45:34 | 0:45:38 | |
In effect, it's a vocal tuning plug-in, | 0:45:38 | 0:45:41 | |
which has different levels of pitch correction, | 0:45:41 | 0:45:44 | |
so that you can actually try and correct the vocal | 0:45:44 | 0:45:48 | |
in as natural as possible way. | 0:45:48 | 0:45:51 | |
So it doesn't make any difference to the sound of the voice, | 0:45:51 | 0:45:53 | |
it just moves the pitch? | 0:45:53 | 0:45:54 | |
It just move the pitch around and nowadays, | 0:45:54 | 0:45:57 | |
you can also move the time, as well. | 0:45:57 | 0:45:59 | |
So you can move vocals around, | 0:45:59 | 0:46:02 | |
stretch words out and... | 0:46:02 | 0:46:05 | |
So there is absolutely nothing you can't edit now, | 0:46:05 | 0:46:08 | |
including the sound... The physical sound of the human voice? | 0:46:08 | 0:46:11 | |
Pretty much, yeah. Pretty much. I mean... | 0:46:11 | 0:46:13 | |
HE LAUGHS | 0:46:13 | 0:46:15 | |
If I just show you roughly how that works... | 0:46:15 | 0:46:17 | |
-You can choose the key you're in... -F sharp. -..so Believe is in F sharp. | 0:46:17 | 0:46:21 | |
And here, we just hit "set major", | 0:46:21 | 0:46:23 | |
so that will then default to the notes within the major scale. | 0:46:23 | 0:46:28 | |
What it does is to actually remove any notes | 0:46:28 | 0:46:31 | |
-that aren't within the scale. -Right, OK. | 0:46:31 | 0:46:34 | |
The effect with this is just to put the retuned speed up very fast. | 0:46:34 | 0:46:37 | |
-AUTOTUNED: -# No matter how hard I try... # -Oh, yeah. | 0:46:39 | 0:46:42 | |
# You keep pushing me aside and I can't break through... # | 0:46:43 | 0:46:47 | |
-And a lot of what you're hearing... -Wow. | 0:46:47 | 0:46:49 | |
..is it jumping between the notes in the scale | 0:46:49 | 0:46:52 | |
and missing out the notes in between, | 0:46:52 | 0:46:54 | |
-which normally, a singer would glide through. -That's amazing. | 0:46:54 | 0:46:57 | |
I could set it to the minor scale and... | 0:46:57 | 0:46:59 | |
-AUTOTUNED: -# No matter how hard I try... # | 0:46:59 | 0:47:03 | |
You sort of get a different thing. | 0:47:03 | 0:47:05 | |
-So let's hear our singer. -In context... | 0:47:05 | 0:47:08 | |
MUSIC: Believe | 0:47:08 | 0:47:10 | |
# No matter how hard I try | 0:47:12 | 0:47:14 | |
# You keep pushing me aside and I can't break through | 0:47:15 | 0:47:20 | |
# There's no talking to you | 0:47:21 | 0:47:25 | |
# It's so sad... # | 0:47:25 | 0:47:26 | |
Bands like Kraftwerk, U2 and Daft Punk | 0:47:26 | 0:47:30 | |
had long been manipulating the human voice, | 0:47:30 | 0:47:32 | |
but autotune took this one stage further. | 0:47:32 | 0:47:35 | |
Producers could now do anything with the voice | 0:47:35 | 0:47:38 | |
and take the song in any direction. | 0:47:38 | 0:47:41 | |
# Do you believe in life after love? # | 0:47:41 | 0:47:44 | |
That's brilliant. | 0:47:45 | 0:47:48 | |
Obviously, we all remember Believe as being "the autotune song", | 0:47:48 | 0:47:52 | |
but actually, when you listen back to it, | 0:47:52 | 0:47:55 | |
they were really rather tasteful with it. | 0:47:55 | 0:47:56 | |
It was only used on lines within the bridge. | 0:47:56 | 0:47:59 | |
So it's sort of used as an arrangement effect... | 0:47:59 | 0:48:01 | |
-That's brilliant. -..which is actually very clever. | 0:48:01 | 0:48:04 | |
So I guess the accusation that could be levelled | 0:48:04 | 0:48:06 | |
is that with this amount of editing available, | 0:48:06 | 0:48:09 | |
you don't have to be any good as a musician | 0:48:09 | 0:48:11 | |
to make it in the pop world. | 0:48:11 | 0:48:13 | |
Would you buy that? | 0:48:13 | 0:48:14 | |
Not really, no. | 0:48:14 | 0:48:16 | |
I mean, I think in terms of songwriting, | 0:48:16 | 0:48:19 | |
you still have to have a good chord structure, | 0:48:19 | 0:48:21 | |
you still have to have a good arrangement. | 0:48:21 | 0:48:23 | |
There is... The one thing that has done and... | 0:48:23 | 0:48:26 | |
just digital recording in general has done, | 0:48:26 | 0:48:30 | |
-is to open up recording to the masses. -Yeah. | 0:48:30 | 0:48:33 | |
Anyone can make a very professional-sounding record | 0:48:33 | 0:48:36 | |
with very little equipment. | 0:48:36 | 0:48:38 | |
IMPROVISED ELECTRONICA | 0:48:38 | 0:48:41 | |
In the last decade, | 0:48:48 | 0:48:49 | |
recording technology has evolved at a dizzying pace. | 0:48:49 | 0:48:53 | |
Musicians have been able to create songs at home for some time. | 0:48:53 | 0:48:56 | |
Today, the explosion in mobile apps | 0:48:56 | 0:48:58 | |
means it's possible to craft a song without even getting out of bed. | 0:48:58 | 0:49:02 | |
MUSIC: Get Lucky by Daft Punk | 0:49:08 | 0:49:11 | |
For consumers too, | 0:49:11 | 0:49:12 | |
music delivery has reached new levels of convenience. | 0:49:12 | 0:49:16 | |
The invention of the ultra-portable MP3 player | 0:49:16 | 0:49:19 | |
has effectively made the physical format redundant. | 0:49:19 | 0:49:22 | |
Just as people ditched their vinyl in the '80s, | 0:49:23 | 0:49:25 | |
now CDs have landed in the technology graveyard. | 0:49:25 | 0:49:29 | |
But does this convenience come at a cost? | 0:49:30 | 0:49:33 | |
An MP3 is a piece of digitised music, from which | 0:49:35 | 0:49:38 | |
all but the bare minimum of the original information is discarded. | 0:49:38 | 0:49:42 | |
You might be able to carry your music collection around with you, | 0:49:42 | 0:49:46 | |
but it's been estimated | 0:49:46 | 0:49:47 | |
that you're losing up to 90% of the recorded sound. | 0:49:47 | 0:49:51 | |
It will surprise no-one to hear that Steve Albini doesn't own an iPod. | 0:49:53 | 0:49:58 | |
So we asked him to listen to a track | 0:49:58 | 0:50:00 | |
from the new album by his band Shellac as an MP3. | 0:50:00 | 0:50:03 | |
MUSIC: Dude Incredible by Shellac | 0:50:03 | 0:50:06 | |
Yeah, uh... | 0:50:08 | 0:50:10 | |
That wasn't enjoyable. | 0:50:10 | 0:50:11 | |
Essentially no bass information makes it through the ear buds, | 0:50:13 | 0:50:18 | |
There's a lot of low-frequency information on this record - | 0:50:18 | 0:50:21 | |
I would imagine on other records, but... | 0:50:21 | 0:50:23 | |
I mean, it's a record... | 0:50:25 | 0:50:26 | |
It's our record, so I'm quite familiar with it - | 0:50:26 | 0:50:30 | |
and it sounds odd and alien, | 0:50:30 | 0:50:33 | |
coming through ear buds like that. | 0:50:33 | 0:50:35 | |
MUSIC: Fight The Power (Part 1) by The Isley Brothers | 0:50:35 | 0:50:37 | |
For Albini, the only way to listen to music is still on vinyl. | 0:50:37 | 0:50:42 | |
And he's not alone - vinyl has seen a huge resurgence in recent years. | 0:50:42 | 0:50:46 | |
It's once again becoming | 0:50:46 | 0:50:48 | |
a significant part of the music business - | 0:50:48 | 0:50:50 | |
worth £20 million in 2014. | 0:50:50 | 0:50:53 | |
People who are... who listen to music seriously, | 0:50:59 | 0:51:03 | |
people who want to have collections of music | 0:51:03 | 0:51:05 | |
typically buy vinyl records, | 0:51:05 | 0:51:07 | |
because it's the same format stretching back 50, 70 years, | 0:51:07 | 0:51:13 | |
So you can have music covering a very long time period | 0:51:13 | 0:51:16 | |
in that same format. | 0:51:16 | 0:51:17 | |
So you can listen to a Nat King Cole record | 0:51:17 | 0:51:21 | |
or an Ella Fitzgerald record or a Buddy Holly record, | 0:51:21 | 0:51:23 | |
or a Beatles record, or a Sex Pistols record, or... | 0:51:23 | 0:51:27 | |
..name someone from this week. | 0:51:29 | 0:51:30 | |
For me, the sheer physicality of vinyl | 0:51:31 | 0:51:34 | |
and the warmth of the sound is hard to beat. | 0:51:34 | 0:51:37 | |
But equally, the idea that | 0:51:37 | 0:51:38 | |
I can carry my entire collection of songs with me in my pocket | 0:51:38 | 0:51:41 | |
still boggles the mind. | 0:51:41 | 0:51:44 | |
For song writers too, | 0:51:44 | 0:51:45 | |
the instant access to the history of the recorded song | 0:51:45 | 0:51:48 | |
has been a creative boon. | 0:51:48 | 0:51:49 | |
MUSIC: Pale Green Ghosts by John Grant | 0:51:49 | 0:51:51 | |
Singer-songwriter John Grant draws on a century of influences. | 0:51:51 | 0:51:56 | |
His song, Pale Green Ghosts, | 0:51:56 | 0:51:58 | |
melds traditional songwriting techniques and new technology | 0:51:58 | 0:52:02 | |
in his modern take on the classic pop song. | 0:52:02 | 0:52:05 | |
# Pale green ghosts at the end of May | 0:52:05 | 0:52:08 | |
# Soldiers of this black highway | 0:52:08 | 0:52:11 | |
# Helping me to know my place... # | 0:52:11 | 0:52:14 | |
I come at it | 0:52:15 | 0:52:16 | |
from all sorts of different angles. | 0:52:16 | 0:52:18 | |
I come at it from where I sit down at the piano sometimes... | 0:52:18 | 0:52:22 | |
and just think about words | 0:52:22 | 0:52:25 | |
and write the song. | 0:52:25 | 0:52:27 | |
And then I also love to start with the computer | 0:52:27 | 0:52:30 | |
and come up with bass lines, synth bass lines | 0:52:30 | 0:52:33 | |
and just beautiful progressions and beautiful loops. | 0:52:33 | 0:52:36 | |
The idea behind that track, | 0:52:46 | 0:52:48 | |
or what I heard first when I did that track | 0:52:48 | 0:52:51 | |
was just some of these old, beautiful synth bass lines | 0:52:51 | 0:52:55 | |
from Cabaret Voltaire - | 0:52:55 | 0:52:57 | |
and that was the backbone of that track. | 0:52:57 | 0:53:00 | |
There was also the idea from the outset to have orchestra, | 0:53:11 | 0:53:15 | |
strings, James Bond-esque... You know, the John Barry... | 0:53:15 | 0:53:18 | |
-I had little bit of that feeling. -But I love the brass. | 0:53:18 | 0:53:22 | |
# Pale green ghosts must take great care | 0:53:22 | 0:53:25 | |
# Release themselves into the air | 0:53:25 | 0:53:28 | |
# Reminding me that I must be aware. # | 0:53:28 | 0:53:38 | |
Pale Green Ghosts has the second movement of the, you know... | 0:53:38 | 0:53:42 | |
Prelude in C sharp minor from Rachmaninoff | 0:53:42 | 0:53:45 | |
superimposed over the top of that last section. | 0:53:45 | 0:53:48 | |
And so, it's just begging for an orchestra to come in there. | 0:53:48 | 0:53:52 | |
In John Grant's world, the gravitas of Rachmaninoff | 0:54:05 | 0:54:09 | |
sits comfortably alongside the frippery of novelty pop. | 0:54:09 | 0:54:13 | |
-Do you remember the song Popcorn? -Oh, yeah. | 0:54:13 | 0:54:16 | |
Pop-pop-pop-pop. | 0:54:16 | 0:54:17 | |
-That was something that I know has influenced me. -Yeah. | 0:54:17 | 0:54:21 | |
That keeps popping up. | 0:54:21 | 0:54:23 | |
-I think the band was Hot Butter. -Hot Butter, that's right! | 0:54:23 | 0:54:27 | |
Yeah, I remember it was in Tennessee, I believe, | 0:54:27 | 0:54:30 | |
when I heard that for the first time and we had a 45 of it. | 0:54:30 | 0:54:34 | |
And it was my cousin Tammy and my sister Susan and me, | 0:54:34 | 0:54:38 | |
and we played it over and over and over and over, | 0:54:38 | 0:54:42 | |
which is probably why my mother had a Valium problem. | 0:54:42 | 0:54:45 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:54:45 | 0:54:49 | |
Can you imagine? | 0:54:49 | 0:54:50 | |
"They're playing it again!" | 0:54:50 | 0:54:52 | |
# You could probably say I'm difficult | 0:54:58 | 0:55:02 | |
# I probably talk too much. # | 0:55:02 | 0:55:06 | |
John Grant is clearly a product of the contemporary musical landscape, | 0:55:10 | 0:55:14 | |
but I can hear a line that runs right back to Irving Berlin - | 0:55:14 | 0:55:17 | |
songwriting craft combined with emotional depth. | 0:55:17 | 0:55:21 | |
Your songs are A, very melodic, | 0:55:22 | 0:55:26 | |
B, quite confessional as well. | 0:55:26 | 0:55:28 | |
That's not a new thing. | 0:55:28 | 0:55:29 | |
I mean, they were doing that all the time back then | 0:55:29 | 0:55:31 | |
and I suppose that's what makes sense to me. | 0:55:31 | 0:55:34 | |
It's like, why wouldn't you talk about... | 0:55:34 | 0:55:36 | |
As an artist, why wouldn't you talk about your particular experience, | 0:55:36 | 0:55:39 | |
because what else do you know about, | 0:55:39 | 0:55:41 | |
except for your particular experience? | 0:55:41 | 0:55:44 | |
Because that is the one thing about you that nobody can duplicate. | 0:55:44 | 0:55:48 | |
# I am not who you think I am | 0:55:49 | 0:55:53 | |
# I am quite angry, which I barely can conceal... # | 0:55:53 | 0:56:02 | |
Why not have an electro dance hit | 0:56:03 | 0:56:06 | |
and why not have a torch song and why not mix it up? | 0:56:06 | 0:56:09 | |
Because that is who you are as a person, so that makes sense. | 0:56:09 | 0:56:12 | |
So in the context of who you are as an artist, | 0:56:13 | 0:56:16 | |
this makes sense, so just do it. | 0:56:16 | 0:56:18 | |
# From the top of my head, down to the tips of the toes on my feet | 0:56:19 | 0:56:25 | |
# So go ahead and love me while it's still a crime | 0:56:25 | 0:56:31 | |
# And don't forget you could be laughing | 0:56:31 | 0:56:34 | |
# 65 percent more of the time... # | 0:56:34 | 0:56:37 | |
I've travelled through 40 years of innovation in song | 0:56:37 | 0:56:41 | |
for this programme, a journey that began in the '70s, | 0:56:41 | 0:56:44 | |
with me listening to music through headphones. | 0:56:44 | 0:56:46 | |
And here I am again today, with a pair of headphones - | 0:56:46 | 0:56:50 | |
but this time, I'm not alone. | 0:56:50 | 0:56:52 | |
MUSIC: Do It Again by Royksopp and Robyn | 0:56:52 | 0:56:56 | |
This is a silent disco - | 0:57:02 | 0:57:05 | |
a peculiar 21st century phenomenon, | 0:57:05 | 0:57:07 | |
in which people gather together to listen and dance to music. | 0:57:07 | 0:57:11 | |
Built into their headphones is the option to choose | 0:57:13 | 0:57:15 | |
what they want to dance to. | 0:57:15 | 0:57:16 | |
MUSIC: Shake It Off by Taylor Swift | 0:57:16 | 0:57:18 | |
While you're listening to Taylor Swift... | 0:57:18 | 0:57:21 | |
..the people behind you might be moshing to Nirvana... | 0:57:22 | 0:57:25 | |
MUSIC: Smells Like Teen Spirit by Nirvana | 0:57:25 | 0:57:27 | |
..the person next to you dancing to Gloria Gaynor. | 0:57:27 | 0:57:30 | |
MUSIC: I Will Survive by Gloria Gaynor | 0:57:30 | 0:57:33 | |
Well, this is wacky! | 0:57:35 | 0:57:37 | |
I can see why it works though - | 0:57:37 | 0:57:39 | |
it's the perfect experience for the YouTube generation. | 0:57:39 | 0:57:42 | |
Any music you want or no music at all - you choose. | 0:57:42 | 0:57:46 | |
So who knows how we're going to be making | 0:57:53 | 0:57:55 | |
and listening to music in the future? | 0:57:55 | 0:57:57 | |
What is certain is that the popular song has proved itself | 0:57:57 | 0:58:00 | |
a remarkably versatile artform, | 0:58:00 | 0:58:03 | |
one that will easily survive whatever fascinating developments | 0:58:03 | 0:58:06 | |
technology has in store. | 0:58:06 | 0:58:08 | |
And I, for one, can't wait to see where it goes next. | 0:58:08 | 0:58:12 | |
MUSIC: Fembot by Robyn | 0:58:17 | 0:58:20 |